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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. Appreciates

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Speaker 1: you rollin' with us. We have a very stacked show today,

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Speaker 1: no surprise, it's going to be getting very busy day

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Speaker 1: in and day out as we enter this presidential election.

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Speaker 1: Cycled Also some interesting polling out that we can get

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Speaker 1: to in a moment. Eighteen percent. This is from Gallup.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen percent of Americans are satisfied with the state of

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Speaker 1: the nation. Now, you might say, well, are people always

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Speaker 1: a little curmudgeonly and salty about the state of the nation. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's usually about thirty five percent of people are satisfied,

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Speaker 1: So that's a substantial drop. Hmmm. You mean Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: and the lunatic communists around him are doing things that

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Speaker 1: make people less prosperous, safe, happy, and sane. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: tell you about this. We can come back to it

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Speaker 1: though in a second. Obviously, the House about to vote

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Speaker 1: on the debt limit bill. Has that happened just quite yet.

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Speaker 1: I think it's any It's gonna be happening shortly. Here

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Speaker 1: so we'll check the latest on that. Ron DeSantis kicked

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Speaker 1: off his campaign with a stop in Iowa. The Trump

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Speaker 1: DeSantis throwdown is getting, shall we say, more heated, more interesting.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Also, those of you who are very online,

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Speaker 1: as in spend time on Twitter probably saw and some

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Speaker 1: of you might have even seen it on Facebook or

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Speaker 1: other places. Trump had some comments about his former Press secretary,

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Speaker 1: Kaylee mcinenny, who's a friend of mine, a friend of Clay's.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss what the former president's truth social post

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Speaker 1: was all about. That'll be coming up. There's some interesting

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff, even I think interesting stuff

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Speaker 1: going on in the sports world right now with the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers and now a Toronto Blue Jays player making the

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Speaker 1: requisite I'm sorry I offended the Wokeness hostage video. Clay

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Speaker 1: will lay some of that out for some of that

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Speaker 1: out for us. We've got a political development that I

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Speaker 1: want to dive into here in a second. But first, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many of you remember the movie

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Speaker 1: road Trip, but there's a whole scene with what was

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Speaker 1: that comedian's name where he says was it Tom Green?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Tom Green? And he says he's going

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Speaker 1: to unleash the fury. Clay just gotta. Clay just put

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Speaker 1: out a tweet and I was like, Clay, are you

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Speaker 1: unleashing the fury with a tweet about something happening at ESPN?

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Speaker 1: What happened? Clay? What's going on? And we can we

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Speaker 1: want to return to this in a little a little later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next hour. I'm going to dive into this in

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Speaker 2: a big way. But tomorrow is Pride Month, and you

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Speaker 2: all know that. I mean, it is the game day

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Speaker 2: of the year, and that's not meant as an insult.

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Speaker 2: June first is the gayest day of the year, where

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Speaker 2: everybody is bedecked in Pride flags and uh, and it

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Speaker 2: is impossible to mis gat a mistake the entire month.

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Speaker 2: Many people have pointed out that we get one day

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Speaker 2: to celebrate those who have died serving our country, we

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Speaker 2: get a full month to celebrate gay people. That obviously

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Speaker 2: always happens with Memorial Day coming in close consult with June.

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Speaker 1: First, so ESPN. So there's evan.

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Speaker 2: I had to do research on this, Buck, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you are aware of this. Traditionally, the

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Speaker 2: Pride flag is just a rainbow, right, yes, because the

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Speaker 2: rainbow in theory would represent all colors. They have now

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Speaker 2: modified the rainbow because the rainbow was not inclusive enough

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Speaker 2: and they now have like some sort of like arrow.

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Speaker 1: That is a transflag trans flag. Well they consider to

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Speaker 1: be the trends like oh oh, I study leftism constantly.

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Speaker 1: I know they've changed this one, But isn't it fascinating

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Speaker 1: because this isn't the whole point of the rainbow that

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Speaker 1: it is all the colors, literally every whole point. The

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Speaker 1: whole point is that it's supposed to be everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there literally could not be anyone not incorporated in

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Speaker 2: the rainbow flag, which was the entire purpose of the rainbow,

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Speaker 2: which now has been taken over by gay people.

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Speaker 1: I don't this happened.

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Speaker 2: In conversation recently, one of my kids said, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: every time I see an actual rainbow, I think now

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Speaker 1: You haven't, though, unleashed the furious so to speak, on

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Speaker 2: So this year ESPN is not just raising the gay flag.

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Speaker 2: I am told this is the first year that they

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Speaker 2: will be raising the t transgender gay flag. Now, some

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Speaker 2: of you out there may say, Okay, what's the significance here.

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Speaker 2: ESPN right now is foremost in advocating for men who

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Speaker 2: and in fact, ESPN ran and I believe we played

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Speaker 2: it on this show an advertisement Buck calling Leah Thomas

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Speaker 2: one of the women's sports heroes of the year. This

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Speaker 2: is a dude who was around the four hundredth best

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Speaker 2: set the NCAA championship this past March. So they have

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Speaker 2: had a few brave people who have spoken out. Sam Ponder,

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Speaker 2: who some of you may know, Sage Steele. Two women

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Speaker 2: have come out and said this is ridiculous. I'm not

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Speaker 2: on it. So this feels buck like a direct shot

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Speaker 2: back at those women. Sam Ponder was called a bigot

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Speaker 2: by USA Today for advocating for women's sports to only

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Speaker 2: who are speaking out are being called bigots and transphobes,

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Speaker 2: and so this feels like a direct corporate shot at

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Speaker 2: those employees who are speaking out on behalf of women's athletics.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me, Clay that it is entirely now, because

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Speaker 1: of a Supreme Court decision some years ago, legal to

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Speaker 1: burn the American flag as a form of speech. But

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Speaker 1: I have seen numerous stories recently of people not even

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Speaker 1: necessarily damaging a flag. But let's say, wasn't there someone

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Speaker 1: who I think left tire skid marks on a Pride

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Speaker 1: mural or something, yes, in the street, and that's a

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Speaker 1: hate crime. But burning, So if you burn a Pride flag,

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Speaker 1: if you own the flag, that is criminal. But if

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Speaker 1: you burn an American flag that has protected speech, do

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Speaker 1: I have that right? Because that's the way it seems.

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Speaker 2: I think it has not gone to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: And so there are states that are prosecuting to you

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying right now, there are places where you

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Speaker 1: Prosecuted for burning it. I just want every to be

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Speaker 1: clear on this, because there are cases people are prosecuted

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Speaker 1: for burning a Pride flag. You will not be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: for burning an American flag. In fact, the left will

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Speaker 1: tell you that's the highest form of patriotism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think in our staff can correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong on this. But I believe, and this

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Speaker 2: sounds like a made up hypothetical story that would be

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Speaker 2: in a law school exam. I believe a homeless man

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Speaker 2: they are now called unhoused people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know that changed the term again. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, homeless man used a gay Pride flag to wipe

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Speaker 2: his bottom and was charged with a crime.

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Speaker 1: In New York City for a crime. So that's right crime.

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Speaker 2: And so I suspect buck, this will go all the

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Speaker 2: way to the Supreme Court. And I am such a

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Speaker 2: free speech absolutist, and I understand some of you are

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Speaker 2: going to disagree with this. I actually think you should

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Speaker 2: be able to burn the American flag. I disagree with it.

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Speaker 2: I don't support it in any way. I want to

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Speaker 2: be clean, But.

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Speaker 1: Then should you be able to burn a Pride flag?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think this would go all the way to the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court because it is a form of political commentary,

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Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not, the logic and

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Speaker 2: consistency there would require that these statutes which seek to

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Speaker 1: And this is why hate crime laws are slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: There are crimes, right, There are crimes that people should

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Speaker 1: be punished for. The notion that there are things where

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Speaker 1: you could be punished for action that is otherwise entirely

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Speaker 1: legal because it offends certain people. No, I just agree

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Speaker 1: with that there are cases even in I remember actually

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Speaker 1: campus speech codes and the various ways. Now I entered

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Speaker 1: this as private institutions, but they would find ways to punish,

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Speaker 1: entirely protected under all circumstances, except the wrong feelings are

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Speaker 1: be action. So I think that's an interesting side component

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Speaker 1: some of the political discussion about the primary for a

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Speaker 1: few minutes. But Clay, can you tell me about this?

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Speaker 1: I think we have it right the Blue Here we

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Speaker 3: I recognized yesterday I made a post that wass frightful

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Speaker 3: to the pride of the community, which includes friends of

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Speaker 3: truly sorry for that. I just spoke with my teammates

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Speaker 3: and shire within my actions yesterday, I apologize with them

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Speaker 3: and as right now, I'm using the Blue Jays resources

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Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I can't. I can't, honestly, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I'm using the resources, but I'm I'm I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: go into the re education camp where my transgressions will

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Speaker 1: result in struggle sessions. Give me a break, Clay, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is why we actually need

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Speaker 1: you know, you need to take action. You need to

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Speaker 1: speak out because otherwise this happens to everybody. Well.

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Speaker 2: And and by the way, the groveling doesn't work because

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Speaker 2: a Toronto newspaper columnist has already demanded that this guy

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Speaker 2: be fired. Of course, right, because even when you throw

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Speaker 2: yourself prostrate on the apology Olympics here to try to

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Speaker 2: apologize for things that you actually believe that managed in

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Speaker 2: some way to upset someone. It isn't actually, it isn't

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Speaker 1: In Soulzanitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, there's a really haunting There are

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Speaker 1: some haunting passages really where he gets into your initial

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Speaker 1: and the apparatus functionaries who would be there, you know,

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Speaker 1: interrogating you, torturing you and everything else. They knew you

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Speaker 1: were innocent, but they wanted you to give a confession

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Speaker 1: just because then that made the process of completely destroying

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Speaker 1: frustrated the longer you held out on that confession. But

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Speaker 1: the point is confessing did nothing for you. Like they

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Speaker 1: would say, just confess and we'll make it stop. Just confess. No,

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Speaker 1: when you confess, then they send you to the Gulag

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Speaker 1: for ten or twenty years, and your you know, the

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Speaker 1: chance of survival is very very slim. That's the way

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Speaker 1: it is to bend the need to the woke mob.

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Speaker 1: It's not like your confession results in in some better

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Speaker 1: treatment for you. Your confession merely becomes admission of you being

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Speaker 1: a bad person that needs to be punished. Further so,

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Speaker 1: there's never any point in it. That's why this guy

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Speaker 1: I feel, Look, he's a picture. Is he a very

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Speaker 1: good picture? I have no idea. Is he a good player?

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Speaker 1: You know what? Buck?

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Speaker 2: This is one of those things where I know a

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Speaker 2: lot about the Atlanta Braves.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: This is fascinating to me for a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And she, unlike many of the people, particularly

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Speaker 2: So now the poll that Kaylee cited is a real poll.

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Speaker 1: Why lash out of Kaylee mcaninnie. She didn't even do anything.

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Speaker 1: If he one thing, if she was like I'm pro

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Speaker 2: She's not acceptable new in television. And I think you

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Speaker 2: camera is a pretty good stud. So the idea, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna attack one of the foremost steadfast defenders of

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Speaker 2: my presidency and say she's not good enough on television

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Speaker 2: and she's boring is real a strange attack angle.

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Speaker 1: And as I've said before with with the Kylee thing,

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Speaker 1: with what's happened here to anyone out there, Because sometimes

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Speaker 1: I get this, so and SO is being more fair

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Speaker 1: on this, They'll say so and SO is being more

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Speaker 1: fair of Trump on this. Find me the person who

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Speaker 1: has any significance in the conservative movement. That's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's a really solid call, you know, taking

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Speaker 1: a cheap shot at your former press secretary over nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what the way this game is played. Show

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Speaker 1: me that person and then we'll have that person come

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Speaker 1: on this show and try to because what you see

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Speaker 1: going on here, there's a lot of cowardice play. People

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Speaker 1: don't want to say anything that's going to get anybody

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Speaker 1: right now upset at them, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: upset anybody either. But we're going to tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: We're going to tell the truth as we see it.

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Speaker 1: And you know that's out of respect for the audience,

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Speaker 1: out of respect for what our mission is here every day.

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Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is I just want Trump to

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Speaker 1: focus on the things that matter that he wants to

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Speaker 1: do for the country. I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: truym talking to Okay, he mentioned how about another tweet

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Speaker 1: on how he's gonna I mean, I keep saying tweet truth.

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Speaker 1: I can't keep it all. But how about another post

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Speaker 1: on what he's going to do? You know with the anchor,

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Speaker 1: you know, anchor baby situation and birthrights citizenship, get into

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Speaker 1: the details a little bit. How about answering the question

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Speaker 1: why didn't you do it when you were in office

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Speaker 1: for the first four years? Right, use the platform for

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Speaker 1: something that matters to the American people, taking a shot,

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Speaker 1: taking shots at people who have been nothing but loyal

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Speaker 1: and on your team. I just I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how anybody thinks that's a good move.

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Speaker 2: Buck, How did this show make national news last week everywhere?

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Speaker 2: By me asking Desantists whether he would pardon Trump in

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Speaker 2: the event that he became president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days before that, I came on the

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Speaker 2: show and I said, as a matter of principle and precedent,

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Speaker 2: I think every Republican candidate running for office should say

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Speaker 2: that they would pardon Donald Trump if they became president

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Speaker 2: of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how there could be a more trump

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Speaker 1: statement than that.

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Speaker 2: I am literally saying on the air that I want

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Speaker 2: everyone running for the Republican nomination to pledge that they

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Speaker 2: will not allow Donald Trump to be locked up and

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Speaker 2: they will immediately free him from all federal charges as

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Speaker 2: a precondition to even getting elected.

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Speaker 1: Look, I I yeah, I mean, I think that's an

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Speaker 1: important to keeping.

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Speaker 2: Somebody out of jail is maybe the best thing you

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Speaker 2: could do it.

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Speaker 1: So just checked in. I come back to this and

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Speaker 1: I just say, this is not twenty sixteen. What you

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Speaker 1: got for a lot of the Trump presidency was people saying,

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Speaker 1: shut up, he knows what he's doing. And really there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of folks who won't say this openly,

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Speaker 1: but they'll talk about the four D chess and they

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Speaker 1: mean it in a snide way, like everyone always justified

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Speaker 1: everything Trump did because it was for D chess. Well,

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Speaker 1: now we've suffered a bad election in twenty eighteen, a

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Speaker 1: bad presidential election. Really wasn't that bad actually outside of

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Speaker 1: the presidency if you look at what happened in that House,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But a bad twenty twenty election in that

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Speaker 1: regard and a highly disappointing twenty twenty two election. So

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Speaker 1: we can either discuss what would make things better and

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Speaker 1: what can lead to victory. You know, this is about

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Speaker 1: an economy that lets you pay your bills. This is

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Speaker 1: about the freedoms, the constitutional freedoms we have in this

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Speaker 1: country that we need to protect with everything we have.

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Speaker 1: This is about your family, your kids, your grandkids. What's

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Speaker 1: best for them. And if we're not going to have

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Speaker 1: a discussion about what's true in all of that, then

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Speaker 1: what's really the point just going along because we had

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Speaker 1: a great victory in twenty sixteen isn't going to serve

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Speaker 1: us in twenty twenty four. And I put it out

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Speaker 1: there again, anyone who wants to call in and tell

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Speaker 1: us that, you know, Clay and I obviously see the

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Speaker 1: KLi thing very similarly. But and I've told you this

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Speaker 1: that the advisors around Trump are not They're not politically

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Speaker 1: astute or virtuous. I'm just gonna say it, the advisors

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Speaker 1: around him right now or I think leading him astray.

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Speaker 1: I know who they are. I know them personally, not

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Speaker 1: all of them, but some of them. And it's a

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Speaker 1: bad scene. And we can keep going down this road.

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Speaker 1: Reverence says, don't criticize, don't talk. I'm not taking a

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Speaker 1: side in terms of who should win the primary. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that I don't think Trump. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: we're going to call balls and strikes as they come through.

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Speaker 1: And isn't that what we should be doing otherwise otherwise?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't just mean us, I mean the

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Speaker 1: whole country isn't that why we're having a primary to

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Speaker 1: see how this all plays out. So for me, it's

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Speaker 1: just disappointing. I want to hear better things. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear more about policy. I want to hear what

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Speaker 1: the president, former president and possible future president Trump would

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Speaker 1: do to turn things around. I started off the show

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Speaker 1: Clay with eighteen percent of the country right now eighteen percent,

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Speaker 1: and they're probably just the crazy Libs who are happy

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Speaker 1: we have a Democrat president. Right it's basically twenty percent

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Speaker 1: of the country is AOC style left wing insane. That's

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Speaker 1: the problem, what's going on in the country and the lunatics.

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Speaker 1: Keley is on our team. She's on the team of

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Speaker 1: everybody listening. She's on President Trump's team. Let's keep it

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Speaker 1: real and remember this.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is the weakest potential incumbent president to ever

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Speaker 2: run for I think, statistically, to ever run for election

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Speaker 2: in our lives. The focus should all, I think, be

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Speaker 2: on him. That's the way to win.

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Speaker 1: And if you disagree eight hundred two A two two

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Speaker 1: eight two lines are all open, cleared him out. Let

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Speaker 1: us know. I would I want to if there will

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Speaker 1: see well, I wonder this is one time, but I

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Speaker 1: wonder if we will get a single call. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if we will get a single call from across the

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Speaker 1: whole country saying, you know what, I think that that,

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Speaker 1: I think that him saying that Kelly is basically not

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Speaker 1: good at her job and his milk toast was okay,

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Speaker 1: no problem. I'm wondering. I don't know. We'll see eight

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Speaker 1: hundred two A two two eight eight two. Look, if

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Speaker 1: which is why I want to tell you about the

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Speaker 1: I've got mine here at home. I can do dry

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many of you had a show that you uh

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Speaker 1: really remember very fondly growing up in your teenage years.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think depending on what generation you are,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. For some of you, it might be

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Speaker 1: a happy days. For Clay, it's probably Mash, you know,

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Speaker 1: because he was a teenager when Mash was.

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Speaker 2: And your insistence, by the way, based on three years

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Speaker 2: of difference, and I'm the same Am I the same

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Speaker 2: age as your older brother?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the same age as my older brother.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: What I think is great, though, is people are just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you gotta lay off Clay. Like, so he's a little

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Speaker 1: bit older. We were out to dinner the other day.

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Speaker 2: People don't realize this, and and uh and they were like, uh,

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Speaker 2: somehow our ages came up and they said, Buck, you

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Speaker 2: look you look really young for your age, which implies

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Speaker 2: to me that I look super old for my age.

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Speaker 1: I tell you, Edward three years apart Clay, Like Clay,

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Speaker 1: I could have been on the same, like high school

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Speaker 1: athletics team. He could have been hating me.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point in the locker room of and

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Speaker 2: a freshman when I was a senior.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, we could have been on the same high

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Speaker 1: school team. But I do. I love this joke because

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Speaker 1: occasionally people kind of miss the joke and they're just like, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: lay off you know Clay's you know, it's like it's

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Speaker 1: like Clay's anyway, you haven't been through the War of

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Speaker 1: three kids yet. Yeah, it will age you. They will

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Speaker 1: aige you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the lack of sleep for about twenty straight

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Speaker 2: years or whatever it is, sixteen straight years of having kids.

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Speaker 1: Now that we're all grown up. You know, my mom,

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Speaker 1: who had four, she always says she she if she

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Speaker 1: could go back, she would have eight. And I'm always like, well,

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Speaker 1: is that because you've Is that because the four have

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Speaker 1: all grown up and you're now in grandma mode?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: So it's I would, you know, I would keep having them.

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Speaker 2: We had Katie, who you've met, has been with us

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Speaker 2: for almost nine years now, and initially she was in

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Speaker 2: charge of taking care of all the kids. Buck Now

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Speaker 2: she's kind of in charge of me, and she's having

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Speaker 2: a baby, and so I feel like we're having another baby.

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Speaker 2: I'm into the household, and I'm excited about it because

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Speaker 2: I would keep having So I'm encouraging you and Carrie,

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Speaker 2: however many kids you want?

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Speaker 1: Add one? Yeah, And one day I'll tell stories of

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Speaker 1: I actually had an English nanny growing up, and she

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Speaker 1: would walk around and she would just uh. She she

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Speaker 1: would get fearious. She'd be like, did you take m keys?

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Speaker 1: Did did I? Did we take her keys? And she

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Speaker 1: had always had them on a little necklace around her neck,

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Speaker 1: but we could never get her. She always thought I

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Speaker 1: was taking I was like five, like, I didn't take

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Speaker 1: your keys, lady, I swear anyway, she was very Misus Doubtfire. Oh, actually,

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Speaker 1: Missus Doubtfire. We look at this differently now, the whole

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Speaker 1: Missus Doubtfire situation one of the biggest movies of the nineties. Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know that I.

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Speaker 2: Would be totally unacceptable, although I made that argument, and

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Speaker 2: then people said, you know, Medea might be the one

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Speaker 2: that protects Missus doubtfire because.

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Speaker 1: If you cancel miss doutfire, if you cancel media. So

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Speaker 1: how we got on this other other than other than

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Speaker 1: the silly stuff it was. I remember I grew up

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Speaker 1: and that the shows that had the most impact on

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Speaker 1: my on my formative you know, teenage years, would be

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills nine o two and oh maybe this explains

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Speaker 1: a lot of my worldview and saved by the Bell right.

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Speaker 1: So Beverly Hills nine o two and OO would say

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Speaker 1: both both said in California, which is interesting to me now.

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Speaker 1: Would always say, I grew up thinking California was the

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Speaker 1: promised land that I would move to somewhere when I

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Speaker 1: was older. But for a lot of people, it was

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Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek, which I watched a little bit of. And

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Speaker 1: this is what got me thinking about this. How many

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Speaker 1: of you remember the show Dawson's Creek, Guys and Girls.

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Speaker 1: I liked it to forty five and under. I think,

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Speaker 1: would would you know, be probably Dawson's Creek, you know

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Speaker 1: from I don't know what the age limit would be.

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Speaker 1: A point being James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson in Dawson's Creek.

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Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't seen him in public in a

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Speaker 1: very long time. I don't know what the guy's been

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Speaker 1: up to. You know, he hopefully he's doing great, you know,

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Speaker 1: selling insurance out in Scottsdale or something. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what he's doing. But here he is pointing out

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Speaker 1: that the DNC is just in this all out shutdown mode.

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Speaker 1: He says, no debate democracy, And that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 5: Play A cannot get over the fact that the Democratic

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Speaker 5: National Committee is saying they will not be a debate.

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Speaker 5: They assigned the nominee for president. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: There's no debate. There's no debate over an eighty year

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Speaker 5: old man, if he lives, would be the oldest sitting

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Speaker 5: president in the history of the country. And if he

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Speaker 5: doesn't live as a vice president who's approval rating is

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Speaker 5: worse than his, how do we have a government? How

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Speaker 5: do we have a democracy? If we're letting a small,

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Speaker 5: little back room of people make all the important decisions

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Speaker 5: for us, that's not a democracy. And it doesn't work

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Speaker 5: because y'all have been wrong about a lot these last

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Speaker 5: couple of years in that back room. No debate nor democracy.

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Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek for the wind, Clay Boyden's something out here.

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Speaker 1: Democrats aren't allowed to even talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: Biden's so old it's preposterous.

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Speaker 2: I talked about this on Fox News, and I never

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Speaker 2: would have believed that this would be the case that

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Speaker 2: we would be reacting to. James Vanderbeek aka Dawson Leary

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Speaker 2: aka Varsity Blues Johnny Moxon one of the all time

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Speaker 2: great high school sports movies high school movies maybe period.

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Speaker 2: He was phenomenal in that as a Texas high school

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Speaker 2: quarterback legend. But buck he also said Biden's got dementia

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Speaker 2: as a part of this, and it's fascinating to me

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Speaker 2: that Dawson Leary James Vanderbeek is more insightful on the

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Speaker 2: DNC process than anyone on MSNBC or CNN has been

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Speaker 2: so far throughout the primary season.

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Speaker 1: Isn't basic honesty a fascinating thing when it's getting swept

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Speaker 1: away for so long? There's not a single Democrat who

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Speaker 1: could make a case that Joe Biden is not beyond

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Speaker 1: the senior moments that would raise questions about this, not

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Speaker 1: a single one. Yeah, and yet they all go along

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Speaker 1: with this. It really does feel like a mass formation

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Speaker 1: or mass formation psychosis. It feels like everybody on the

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Speaker 1: Democrat side has to go along with this craziness that

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Speaker 1: they don't believe in. And then that brings me to this.

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Speaker 1: I got it. Look, I gotta say another friend, you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about Kelly before, another friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly right. I remember watching you know, back back,

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Speaker 1: god back when I was in college, and afterwards watching

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Speaker 1: Bill at eight pm on Fox for many years. Talented broadcaster,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he's been on the show a few

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Speaker 1: times talking about his books, and you will recall he

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Speaker 1: got one thing totally right. He came on and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: Buck is a brilliant guy and a genius, but he's

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Speaker 1: and then he got the thing wrong, and he said,

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Speaker 1: but he's totally wrong about Biden being the nominee. Now

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Speaker 1: Biden has announced, So in my head, I was thinking, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy that says, haha,

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Speaker 1: I got this right. But I was thinking to myself, well, haha, Bill,

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Speaker 1: I got this one right. I want to be clear, Bill,

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Speaker 1: we got him here. Bill is still sticking with the

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Speaker 1: prediction of Buddy and I I admire the gumption. Is

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Speaker 1: that the right word? That's yes, that's the right one.

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Speaker 1: I admire the gumption here. He still believes at this

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Speaker 1: point Biden will not be the nominee. Play nine.

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Speaker 6: The problems that we are facing now, particularly with this

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Speaker 6: axis of evil, are very, very worrisome. And the open border,

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Speaker 6: as I said, oh boy, it's going to lead to

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Speaker 6: this real, real trouble. And he does not have control,

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Speaker 6: Biden of the federal branch of government, the executive branch,

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Speaker 6: he just doesn't have control of it.

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Speaker 1: He will not run again.

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Speaker 6: I sticking by my prediction he will not be the

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Speaker 6: Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 1: Can what's what's your sense of this one?

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Speaker 2: So I I understand the argument of why Biden is

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Speaker 2: not going to be the nominee here's the challenge. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we need to get Bill O'Riley on to one.

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Speaker 1: But do it. But do you do you agree or disagree?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he is or is not at this point?

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Speaker 2: So if he's not going to be the nominee, they

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Speaker 2: have to force him out by September. And the reason

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Speaker 2: why I say that is if they wait till after September,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee. And there

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Speaker 2: is a zero percent chance that they want Kamala as

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Speaker 2: the nominee. So the logic behind his opinion is Biden

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Speaker 2: is too weak of an incumbent to be the standard

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Speaker 2: bearer for Democrats in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think Biden is going to be the weakest incumbent

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Speaker 2: president in any of our.

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Speaker 1: Lives, and I think he should lose. Not that he will,

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Speaker 1: but I think he should lose.

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Speaker 2: The problem is the protection on some level for Biden

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Speaker 2: here buck is Kamala would be an even worse candidate.

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Speaker 2: So if they are going to try to force Biden out,

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Speaker 2: they have to open up the primary process and allow

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Speaker 2: an actual race to take place.

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Speaker 1: So I I think.

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Speaker 2: It's the logical choice Buck, I really do, but I

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Speaker 2: think it has to happen by Labor Day.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm just I'm doubling down on Biden's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the nominee. Everybody just to.

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Speaker 2: Be I were betting right now I would go Biden nominee. Remember,

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Speaker 2: like maybe a month ago, I felt like the long

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Speaker 2: knives were coming out when the Washington Post had their

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Speaker 2: story about how awful, and then nothing really came of it.

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Speaker 2: It kind of has faded. If they're going to force

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Speaker 2: him out, and it would be a force out, it

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Speaker 2: has to happen, by the way, to be clear, a

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Speaker 2: true and sudden health issue of some kind. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: not I mean that could still, but that can happen

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Speaker 2: to literally any president. That could happen to anyone who

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Speaker 2: is running for office. I mean, you know, God forbid,

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Speaker 2: but you never know. But in terms of the political

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Speaker 2: decision making and calculus at this point, I think I

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Speaker 2: think it has to be.

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Speaker 1: But you know what we you know we should do.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we get Bill back on?

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Speaker 3: Bill?

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Speaker 1: We should have it back on because it has to happen.

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Speaker 1: You agree with me.

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Speaker 2: If it's going to happen non health related, it would

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Speaker 2: have to happen in the next ninety days or so,

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Speaker 2: because they would not want Kamala if it happens next year,

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Speaker 2: Kamala is the nominee, right they we don't want Kamala

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Speaker 2: as a nominee, so the force out is to get

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Speaker 2: a better choice. Kamala is a worse choice than Biden.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you something I think.

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Speaker 1: Some people think is crazy and light up those lines

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Speaker 1: with this debate we're having here eight hundred two two

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Speaker 1: two eight a two. I think Democrats think they have

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Speaker 1: a better chance of getting Kamala elected president than they

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Speaker 1: would avenusom. I really believe that. I think they think

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Speaker 1: that she would be better. Let's let's we let that

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. We've got our friend Ian Miller with us now.

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Speaker 1: He is a writer for out Kick and author of

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Speaker 1: a new book, Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and the

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Speaker 1: Collapse of Expertise. Ian, Welcome back to the show. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming this is not a lot of Fauci is brilliant

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Speaker 1: and right analysis. Tell us what you get into in

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Speaker 1: this book.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a good assumption. Yeah, it is kind of

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Speaker 4: going in detail on Fauci and the CEC and a

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Speaker 4: lot of other experts about how they kind of mismanaged

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Speaker 4: virtually everything about the COVID pandemic and our response to it,

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Speaker 4: and the mistakes they made, and more importantly, you know,

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Speaker 4: pointing out how little accountability there was. You know, they've

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Speaker 4: never took any responsibility for the mistakes that they've made,

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Speaker 4: they've never acknowledged half of them, and a lot of cases

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Speaker 4: they're still kind of maintaining that a lot of these

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Speaker 4: policies were actually effective. And so the case of the

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Speaker 4: book has kind of make this comprehensive overview of why

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Speaker 4: that's wrong, how they got it wrong, and why we

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Speaker 4: need to hold them accountable going forward.

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Speaker 2: So Ian, when you see arguments being made that Florida

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Speaker 2: COVID poorly, that the rate of death in Florida was bad,

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Speaker 2: this is actually the argument that Trump is now trotting

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Speaker 2: out against Ron DeSantis. You are a data guy, You

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Speaker 2: spent and you lived in California, so you had to

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Speaker 2: deal with all the craziness of Gavin Newsom. You shared

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Speaker 2: incredible charts over the years. How did Florida do relative

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Speaker 2: to the rest of the country.

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Speaker 1: What sort of.

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Speaker 2: Benefit if any, did say New York and California gained

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Speaker 2: from shutting down? What is the raw data intelligently analyzed tell.

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Speaker 4: Us right, well, and it's the exact opposite conclusion of

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Speaker 4: what kind of the messaging has been. If you look

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Speaker 4: at age digested code of mortality, because obviously Florida has

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Speaker 4: a much more elderly population compared to New York and California,

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Speaker 4: Florida outperformed the rest of the country that had a

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Speaker 4: much lower age adjusted COVID death rate than New York.

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Speaker 4: Despite New Yors' lockdowns, had lower excess mortality than California,

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Speaker 4: meaning fewer people then over the expected normal died in

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Speaker 4: Florida and in California and Florida benefited because they kept

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Speaker 4: their economy open as much as possible and kept kids

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Speaker 4: in schools, and which is going to have huge positive

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Speaker 4: effects down the road. You know, California and New York

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Speaker 4: have both been losing huge numbers of people in New

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Speaker 4: York City lost almost half a million people in just

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Speaker 4: a couple of years. That's a huge that's a huge difference,

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Speaker 4: with a lot of them going to Florida because it

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Speaker 4: was open and because they could get their kids in schools. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, trying to revision his history of trying to

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Speaker 4: stay Florida didn't perform well, is just not backed up

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Speaker 4: by data at all.

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Speaker 1: Ian, is there any sign that you're seeing And as

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Speaker 1: part of the research for the book, did you find

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Speaker 1: meaningful maya culpas from major medical institutions from you know,

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Speaker 1: the science as it was known for a while, not

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Speaker 1: just from the faucies, the CDCs, the NIHS, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: but you know, major hospital systems, the so called consensus

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Speaker 1: about so much of this stuff that was shockingly wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the data, as I've been talking about on

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Speaker 1: this show, the data on for example, the frenzy to

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Speaker 1: put everybody on ventilators shows they were killing people by

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Speaker 1: putting them on ventilators. There were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who would have survived their first bout with COVID who

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Speaker 1: were put on a ventilator far too quickly because there

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Speaker 1: was a panic in the medical community. Is anyone saying

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Speaker 1: we're sorry, we're we got this wrong, or does everyone

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Speaker 1: just move past it in the medical field at these

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Speaker 1: big institutions and act like it didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: Definitely the latter. Pretty much everybody is just trying to

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Speaker 4: move on and kind of quietly dismiss everything and not

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Speaker 4: really take any responsibility or acknowledge that they were wrong

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Speaker 4: about this stuff. Like you said, ventilators are a huge issue,

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Speaker 4: you know, masking people forever and masking toddlers, And the

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Speaker 4: CDC director came out there not long ago and said,

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Speaker 4: you know, our guidance doesn't really change over time. We're

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Speaker 4: going to continue to recommend masking kids essentially forever. Based

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Speaker 4: off of community transmission. I think, you know, obviously public

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Speaker 4: health agencies, but in particular a lot of these hospital

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Speaker 4: systems that were very openly promoting all the vaccine passports

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Speaker 4: and things like that, they just kind of want to

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Speaker 4: move past it because I think everybody could see at

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Speaker 4: this point, or of people that have been paying attention,

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Speaker 4: that they were wrong. The data shows that were wrong.

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Speaker 4: Everybody got COVID anyway, despite what all these experts were

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Speaker 4: saying to do, and so I think they feel like

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Speaker 4: it would undermine their credibility if they admitted that they

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Speaker 4: got this wrong and that they made mistakes. So instead

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Speaker 4: they're just kind of trying to move past it. If anything,

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Speaker 4: there's been I mean a shocking lack of accountability as

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Speaker 4: opposed to kind of taking responsibility for their actions.

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Speaker 2: Ian now that we look back where three years removed.

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Speaker 2: I think you wrote an article at OutKick about the

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Speaker 2: fact that only now is air travel getting back to

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Speaker 2: where it was when we shut down in March of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, which is really kind of crazy to think

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Speaker 2: about the three years. What country did actually handle COVID?

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Speaker 2: The best is there now that we've got three years

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Speaker 2: of data and we can look and analyze all the

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Speaker 2: different perspectives. We talk about states, but is it Sweden?

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Speaker 2: Like if you could point to a European or United

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Speaker 2: States or you know, the North American country, is there

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Speaker 2: a country that you think handled COVID really well and

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Speaker 2: if so, who and what should we have done in retrospect?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be Sweden. I mean they did

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Speaker 4: the most to keep their economy moving. They didn't close

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Speaker 4: schools if at all, or for very limited age groups.

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Speaker 4: We are very limited amount of time. You know, there

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Speaker 4: were no mask manmates generally for the whole country basically,

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Speaker 4: And what's so frustrating is that they essentially followed all

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Speaker 4: of these pre COVID pandemic planning documents that all these

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Speaker 4: public health agencies spent years developing. They followed it. Everybody

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Speaker 4: else panicked and threw it out, and you know, I

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Speaker 4: write a chapter about it in the book. But you

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Speaker 4: can compare Sweden to all these other countries, to European countries,

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Speaker 4: and basically in every comparison they come out looking really well,

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Speaker 4: where you know, they have lower excess mortality rates or

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Speaker 4: they overperformed compared to other countries that have some more populations.

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Speaker 4: And they did it all without disrupting their population as

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Speaker 4: much as we did in the United States and most

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Speaker 4: states especially or places like Australia or New Zealand that

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Speaker 4: went the entire opposite direction. And if you look Australia

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Speaker 4: has now had you know, huge excess mortality rates where

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Speaker 4: over the last year and a half. So I think

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Speaker 4: there's a there's a clear winner here in Sweden. And

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Speaker 4: it's not that they did anything particularly special. It's just

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Speaker 4: that they actually followed the guidance that everybody had set

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Speaker 4: out before COVID. For some reason, our experts just completely

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Speaker 4: panicked and throw it out, and they stayed strong.

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Speaker 1: The book is Illusion of Control COVID nineteen and the

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Speaker 1: Collapse of Expertise. Ian Miller, thanks for being with.

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