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Speaker 1: School of Humans.

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Speaker 2: This show follows the investigation of serial murders and contains

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Speaker 2: material that may be disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Listener discretion advised.

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Speaker 4: Jared Jackson went missing on December sixteenth of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: the same day that Zack Valentine was apparently killed in

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Speaker 4: a car accident. This was no coincidence. After both men disappeared,

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Speaker 4: Alectis Perdaeis worked feverishly to get their hands on Zack

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Speaker 4: Valentine's life insurance PEA, and when a friend posted about

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Speaker 4: Zach's death on Facebook, the group thought they were in

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Speaker 4: the clear. They saw this as a green light to

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Speaker 4: file the claim, but these things take time, something EPD

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Speaker 4: didn't have. Someone else saw the post. Two Detective Susette

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Speaker 4: Canotse's daughter Shaney. She alerted her mother, I.

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Speaker 5: Read something on Facebook and she was like, oh, this

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Speaker 5: may be a link.

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Speaker 2: To my pace.

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Speaker 4: Although she was not working on the case, it had

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Speaker 4: stayed with her these last four years, so Suzette called

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Speaker 4: it in. She warned authorities to be extra suspicious of

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Speaker 4: anything involving Zach Valentine or Cecilia Stein. Her instincts were,

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Speaker 4: as usual, right on the money. Zach was in hiding

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Speaker 4: pretending to be dead until the coast was clear. Here's

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Speaker 4: Detective Ben Boysen.

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Speaker 6: Zack Valentine became an issue for him because he wasn't hiding.

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Speaker 6: He said diabetic. He needed medicine. I didn't have money.

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Speaker 4: Life on the run was hard for Zach for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 4: He couldn't get a job, so he spent his days

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Speaker 4: and nights hold up in a cheap hotel outside Krueger's door,

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Speaker 4: living on cup of noodles, cigarettes, and the insolent brought him.

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Speaker 4: It would make sense that Laru would be genuinely concerned

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Speaker 4: for Zach. After all, he was the closest thing Laroux

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Speaker 4: had to a father or an older brother. According to

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Speaker 4: Yana Marx's book, LaRue warned Zack that Cecilia and the

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Speaker 4: others were considering getting rid of him because he was

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Speaker 4: becoming too expensive to keep alive.

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Speaker 6: Maranda was working as a teacher. Salary was not enough

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Speaker 6: for all those people to live and to buy Zach

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Speaker 6: Valentine's medicine. So I think at the end of the

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Speaker 6: day they would have killed.

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Speaker 4: Him because they had gotten away with so much already.

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Speaker 4: Though Secilia and Marinda thought they were untouchable, here's doctor

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Speaker 4: Nikki Falkoff we met earlier in the series.

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Speaker 7: Once you realized that the thing that is the most

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Speaker 7: taboo thing imaginable is actually possible for you to do,

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Speaker 7: your sense of yourself as being subject to the same

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Speaker 7: rules as everybody else in society probably starts to slowly disintegrate.

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Speaker 7: For these things like murder, like stealing, They've become lessonless

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Speaker 7: to booth for you as time goes by.

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Speaker 3: Because you think you were different, do you think you're exceptional?

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Speaker 4: When the money didn't come. After Jared's death, EPD returned

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Speaker 4: to their old ways of haphazard, over zealous murder. While

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Speaker 4: some of epd's final victims were acquaintances and fellow members

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Speaker 4: of the Krugersdorp community, they were, ultimately, to Sicilia and Mirinda,

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Speaker 4: a means to an end, raw resources to be mined

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Speaker 4: in pursuit of a financial windfall. EPD now treated murder

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Speaker 4: as casually as a day at the office. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 4: impact of their crimes shook Krugersdorp to its core, because

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Speaker 4: now anyone with a bank account was a potential target.

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Speaker 8: It could have been me and you. They were doing

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Speaker 8: regular jobs, showing up for appointment and they were killed.

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Speaker 4: From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Queen

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Speaker 4: Havoc and her murder cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kupachek,

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Speaker 4: Episode eight, Vile Hearts. If you've come this far with us,

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Speaker 4: you know this story is a bramble, a mess of

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Speaker 4: moving parts, a not that titans in the stomach and

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Speaker 4: won't let you rest until you've untied the narrative. There's

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Speaker 4: no way to tell this story without becoming sort of

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Speaker 4: consumed by it. Our colleague Jamaine Kriher warned us about

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Speaker 4: this actually while we were in South Africa.

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Speaker 9: Every time you think you understand what's happening, you realize

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Speaker 9: that you're wrong. If you let it, this is the

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Speaker 9: type of story that will absolutely take over your life

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Speaker 9: because I don't think there'll ever be an end to it.

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Speaker 9: I think every time you turn a corner there's something new.

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Speaker 4: Pulling at all these dark and twisted threads is heroin,

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Speaker 4: even for a seasoned journalist like Yanna Marx.

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Speaker 10: I had to work through every single piece of information

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Speaker 10: to be able to portray it accurately, and that meant

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Speaker 10: I had to like relive or try to put myself

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Speaker 10: there on the scene, try to relive through the dockets,

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Speaker 10: to photos, the different narratives, and yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 10: took quite at all.

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Speaker 8: And I will struggle to sleep. I would get bad

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Speaker 8: dreams because it was hard. It's hard stuff and if

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Speaker 8: you're close to something like that, I mean, I can

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Speaker 8: just imagine if that's what I went through, how it

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Speaker 8: must have been for the family members of these victims.

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Speaker 4: Between the whiffs of Satanism, the manipulation of Christianity, the

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Speaker 4: crooked cops, the slaughter of innocence, and the gross human

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Speaker 4: capacity for this level of brutality, this story took over

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Speaker 4: our lives too. It was quite a daunting challenge to

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Speaker 4: unravel truth from fiction, to detangle lies from hearsay and memory.

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Speaker 4: This long after the fact, there are pieces of this story,

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Speaker 4: details that we were forced to omit for the sake

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Speaker 4: of clarity, because, as Jamaine pointed out, every time you

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Speaker 4: turn a corner, there's a new perspective to consider. We've

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Speaker 4: done our best to dig for the truth and allowed

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Speaker 4: moment is that Electus Perdais would seemingly stop at nothing

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Speaker 4: to satiate Cecilia's greed and lust for power. The appointment

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Speaker 4: murders continued in twenty sixteen. EPD believed they were above

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Speaker 4: advantage of their actual neighbors. It was late summer in

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Speaker 4: the Southern Hemisphere when the murders began again, just after

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Speaker 4: the realization that the insurance money was not going to

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Speaker 4: hit their bank accounts for some time. On January twenty seventh,

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, EPD took aim at fifty seven year old

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Speaker 6: John Barnett used to lift opposite him actually knew exactly

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Speaker 4: McGregor wasn't rich, but he was a tax consultant that

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Speaker 4: Barnard told his cohort what he apparently knew. For a fact,

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Speaker 4: McGregor didn't trust banks, so he must keep all his

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Speaker 4: money at home. Cecilia and Mirinda also knew McGregor. He

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Speaker 4: John Barnard actually rented property from Glenn, and the group

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Speaker 4: had once teased Mirinda about Glenn being a potential mate.

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Speaker 4: Driving along the dusty streets of Krueger's Torp with Ben,

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Speaker 4: we passed MacGregor's office. The awning still eerily bears his name.

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Speaker 6: Now you see Wheeler MacGregor and Associates, and this was

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Speaker 4: Mirinda met McGregor at that same office, claiming she needed

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Speaker 4: for about twenty minutes. It was friendly enough, some get

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Speaker 4: to know you chit chat. Then, without warning, Mirinda pulled

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Speaker 4: Marinda's face matched the flat, pallid expressions of her two children.

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Speaker 4: Their plan hold him at gunpoint, get his banking information,

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Speaker 4: as usual, things went awry. McGregor stood up, ready to

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Speaker 4: She attached a memo to the transfer great Fuck. Once

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Speaker 4: after he had used it on Dearren Jackson. Before Mirinda

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Speaker 4: That afternoon, on January twenty eighth, while Mirinda was teaching

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Speaker 4: to fetch Marinda's bank card so he could withdraw all

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Speaker 4: the money from McGregor and hand it over immediately. Cecilia

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Speaker 4: Confident they'd got and away with yet another murder, the

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Speaker 4: His life was worth two months of time for Zach Valentine.

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Speaker 4: Soon enough, Cecilia decided they needed a bigger score, which

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Speaker 4: they committed three more murders. Maritzka Cootsaer was a respected

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Speaker 3: Scholfield to us, the first murder felt like Anthony Scholfield

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Speaker 3: because that's actually when it started falling a botch.

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Speaker 4: You know, here's Colonel Christelle Boisen who spoke to Anthony's wife.

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Speaker 2: This was like the pilot murder for them, you know,

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Speaker 4: Other than the Myers and McGregor, all the appointment murders

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Speaker 6: Playing with Marinda was John Barnat and LaRue. Marcel stayed

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Speaker 4: On May tenth, twenty sixteen, Anthony Schofield, a financial broker

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Speaker 4: that Marenda had worked with in the past, got a call. LaRue,

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Speaker 4: using a fake name and a cheap SIM card, set

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Speaker 4: center and krugers Dorp. Here's Colonel Christelle Boison, who spoke

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Speaker 2: the first one that they've taken for a very long while,

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Speaker 2: and Shelfield was just attending his last appointment before they

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Speaker 4: Over the next few days, the killers went back and

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Speaker 6: And then just around the corner is which Eddy after

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Speaker 4: This was epd's biggest score, only providing them with about

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Speaker 3: You get so used to writing about people you don't know,

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Speaker 4: became the new town square.

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Speaker 6: When the three appointments dealings happened in Kruguzdor, the people

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Speaker 6: went on Facebook and they say, yeh, this need to

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Speaker 6: stop now because all the people feared to get out

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Speaker 6: of the houses at night and stuff like that. And

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Speaker 6: somebody said on Facebook they wish they they can get

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Speaker 6: a good cope now to investigate this.

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00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: Despite Ben's calling to serve and protect, he still knew

437
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Speaker 4: what he would be up against should he get involved.

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Speaker 6: I wish I can do it, but sometimes you need

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Speaker 6: to watch what you wish for because it can come true.

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Speaker 4: On June sixth, Ben agreed to lead the sprawling Murder

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Speaker 4: investigation under one condition.

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Speaker 6: So I said, I will take over the investigation, but

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Speaker 6: I'll do it on my own.

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Speaker 4: Ben was under no illusions about what to expect from

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Speaker 4: local cops. He echoed a sentiment that we in the

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Speaker 4: US are unfortunately all too familiar with many overworked, underpaid,

447
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Speaker 4: and undertrained cops are punching the clock in a broken system.

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Speaker 6: Saving six seven cops out to seven or eight different

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Speaker 6: people to take statements and stuff. Some way, somebody is

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Speaker 6: going to do not mention stuff in a statement, and

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Speaker 6: you're going to lose your golden threat in the investigation.

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Speaker 4: I love that image. A golden thread, a through line,

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Speaker 4: a theme, a pattern, an m o Here's detective violent Winter.

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Speaker 5: We realized that certain other murders that was committed prior

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Speaker 5: at the same murders of Barandi, where people will will

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Speaker 5: be called for an appointment, and after the appointment I disappeared.

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Speaker 4: Thankfully, Ben had Manny's rock solid team of road tested

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Speaker 4: investigators helping him dig for evidence. Maybe in this case

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Speaker 4: they were the exception. But in order to keep hold

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Speaker 4: of that golden thread of his detective poison, did accept

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Speaker 4: the full weight of responsibility on this investigation, and he

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Speaker 4: knew he could rely on himself to see it through

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Speaker 4: or die trying. Meanwhile, laying low at Cassana Flats, Secilia

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Speaker 4: and Mirinda, with the help of John Barnard, planned their

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Speaker 4: next hit. More insurance, fraud, more murder, more Mayhem was

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Speaker 4: on the horizon for EPD, and Zach Valentine was still

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Speaker 4: in hiding. He had taken shelter with a Christian ministry

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Speaker 4: in a neighboring district. Cecilia was too blinded by her

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Speaker 4: lust for money and power to see what was coming.

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Speaker 4: The war she had waged against her fellow humans, the

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Speaker 4: spell she had cast on her followers was about to boomerang.

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Speaker 4: Just as Cecilia had taken down Rhea by attacking those

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Speaker 4: close to her, the police would infiltrate Cecilia's in her

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Speaker 4: circle and break the very people she had scared. In

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Speaker 4: the submission, as Detective Ben Boysen got acquainted with the

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Speaker 4: details of the killings, neither he nor the war room

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Speaker 4: officers had any idea how many murderers they were dealing with.

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Speaker 4: But then there was a breakthrough. Here's Detective Vinter.

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Speaker 5: Normally, when money east withdrawn from ATM over a certain amount,

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Speaker 5: the ATM will actually capture a photograph of you.

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Speaker 4: After trying angulating some cell phone data, the task team

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Speaker 4: had narrowed their search to focus on West Kruger's store.

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Speaker 4: They retrieved the CCTV footage from the ATMs that corresponded

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Speaker 4: with the three victims withdrawals around the time of their deaths.

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Speaker 4: The images were blurry, but the police could tell that

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Speaker 4: the suspects were young, possibly even teenagers. Then one of

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Speaker 4: HRT Kruger's sources pointed out that the suspects looked a

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Speaker 4: lot like Merinda Stein's kids, the same Arendu Stein that

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Speaker 4: had been brought in for questioning in the aftermath of

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Speaker 4: more than one homicide. Here's Detective Vinter, who was busy

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Speaker 4: in the war room.

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Speaker 5: We then did a social media profiling on them. We

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Speaker 5: were actually went in and had a look at the

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Speaker 5: relevant social media the facebooks with the other counts. Add

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Speaker 5: to actually obtaining all the photographs that can be used

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Speaker 5: for comparison purposes.

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Speaker 4: With not much more than blurry footage and a potential

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Speaker 4: social media photo comparison, detective Krueger took a field trip.

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Speaker 12: I just was curious to see what the two children

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Speaker 12: look like. You know, are they the same that I've

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Speaker 12: got on my video footage.

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Speaker 4: When he knocked on the door, burn the answered. Surprisingly,

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Speaker 4: she didn't seem alarmed or even averse to talking to him.

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Speaker 12: I didn't went to the flat that morning whom Miranda

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Speaker 12: was staying, and I interviewed, asked her about the children

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Speaker 12: and said, we're doing investigation. Did they mind to come

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Speaker 12: to the police station for photos. I was taking a

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Speaker 12: big chance because I know actually reason't for them to

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Speaker 12: come in.

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Speaker 4: He was stunned when his gambit actually paid off.

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Speaker 12: She found me about two o'clock that afternoon and sit

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Speaker 12: waiting for us at the police station. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: Marinda assumed the cops would never put together a legitimate

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Speaker 4: case against her or her children, or Cecilia or any

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Speaker 4: of the others. For years, local police failed to do

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Speaker 4: exactly that. Why would it be any different this time?

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Speaker 12: So they came in. Now what we called is a

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Speaker 12: controlled photo and an uncontrolled photo. The uncontrolled photo will

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Speaker 12: be the photo from the ATM, and the control one

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Speaker 12: will be when you asked him to stand in a

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Speaker 12: similar way that the photo on the video foot Teacher

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Speaker 12: look luck and they were very cooperative. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 12: myself it's actually happening.

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Speaker 4: The golden thread was starting to shine through the bramble.

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Speaker 4: On the day Hanley was murdered, Marcel received an acceptance

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Speaker 4: letter to medical school. Here's Detective Susette recalling the harsh

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Speaker 4: reality that Marcel was facing. She took out her frustrations

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Speaker 4: in her diary.

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Speaker 1: She was actually a very, very cleave a girl with

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Speaker 1: distinctions in all her subjects. And at the back of

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Speaker 1: this diary she wrote, in big letters, I don't know

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Speaker 1: why my mother is doing this to me.

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Speaker 4: When Marinda heard that Marcel got into school, she flew

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Speaker 4: into her rage. Marcell pleaded with her mother, but Marinda

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Speaker 4: would hear nothing of it. When Marcel wouldn't let it go,

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Speaker 4: her mother threatened to get rid of her, just as

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Speaker 4: they had gotten rid of Mikayla. Here's Maritzka again.

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Speaker 3: And Laru told me straight up that Mikhayla's murder was

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Speaker 3: always the example. You know, I like to say that

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Speaker 3: the same can happen to you.

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Speaker 4: Marenda threatened LaRue as well when he resisted killing Hamley.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of back and forth between Marinda

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Speaker 4: and Harmley while they negotiated money.

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Speaker 1: Out of her.

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Speaker 4: When it came time to end her life, LaRue begged

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Speaker 4: his mother not to make him do it.

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Speaker 2: He called Hanley a tenny, so that's like an auntie

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Speaker 2: and an elderly woman in Afrikaans, and he couldn't get

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Speaker 2: it off of his heart to kill at Tenny. And

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Speaker 2: then his mom actually turned the gun on him and says, listen,

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Speaker 2: if you're not going to kill her, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: kill you, and I'm going to kill her anyway.

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Speaker 4: LaRue later told Maritzka that Cecilia grew increasingly ruthless leading

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Speaker 4: up to the final appointment murder. By that point, EPD

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Speaker 4: had a kill list, which included LaRue's father. LaRue had

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Speaker 4: recently started to rebuild this relationship.

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Speaker 6: He was trying to convince his father he wants to

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Speaker 6: be part of his life again.

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Speaker 4: How did Cecilia respond. She told LaRue to take out

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Speaker 4: a life insurance policy, two in fact, one for his

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Speaker 4: father and one for himself. LaRue was now on high alert,

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Speaker 4: but he continued to follow orders and scheduled a fishing

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Speaker 4: trip with his estrange father. It happened to fall on

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Speaker 4: the day after Marinda brought her children in to be

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Speaker 4: photographed by the cops that morning. Placing worms on a hook,

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Speaker 4: Laru floated the life insurance policy idea to his father,

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Speaker 4: but this conversation would be interrupted.

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Speaker 6: That's why he was they when he was arrested, because

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Speaker 6: he was trying to convince his father that he can

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Speaker 6: take a policy out on his father's life.

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Speaker 4: On July twenty third, twenty sixteen, LaRue Stein was arrested.

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Speaker 4: He was sitting by a damn fishing with his father

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Speaker 4: when the police descended. LaRue was apprehended just outside a

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Speaker 4: krueger stor and handed over to Manny Victor's task team.

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Speaker 4: The prosecutor then charged the twenty year old with kidnapping, robbery,

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Speaker 4: and three counts of murder. Later that same day, police

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Speaker 4: busted down Merinda's door at Cassano Flats to arrest Marcel.

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Speaker 4: When they searched their belongings, they found a baseball cap

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Speaker 4: and dog PAGs that matched the ones I did in

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Speaker 4: the CCTV footage. As they rummaged through the apartment, one

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Speaker 4: of the arresting officers spied a pot plant on the

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Speaker 4: back porch. Marijuana was still illegal in South Africa at

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Speaker 4: the time. Since it was Merinda's home, they cuffed her

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Speaker 4: and threw her in the paddy wagon too. When questioned,

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Speaker 4: Marcel and LaRue obediently stuck to their rehearsed story. Detective

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Speaker 4: Ben Boysen says the police didn't really have much evidence

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Speaker 4: to go on.

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Speaker 6: The geis is that the police have against them is

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Speaker 6: only they wind and throw the money of the deceased

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Speaker 6: and Marcelle's explanation day off was that Brady got it

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Speaker 6: from the Nigerians and the Nigerians gave him the Panamas

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Speaker 6: and they will only was supposed to go and throw

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Speaker 6: the money for the Nigerians.

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Speaker 4: In South Africa, Nigerians is most often and unfortunate post

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Speaker 4: apart hide shorthand for drug dealers. In just three weeks time,

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Speaker 4: Manny Victor's War Room put Marinda, Marcel and LaRue all

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Speaker 4: behind bars, just in time to save the life of

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Speaker 4: a local doctor who is the next scheduled victim from

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Speaker 4: their ever growing kill list. This investigation might seem slow

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Speaker 4: given the CCTV footage, but this pace was impressive when

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Speaker 4: compared to the way cases were typically managed in American movies.

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Speaker 6: That they might you know, there's a murder and there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of cops investigating it and within African two

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Speaker 6: or three weeks, everybody's rated. And in South Africa doesn't

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Speaker 6: work like that. If you get a kiss, you investigated,

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Speaker 6: nobody else assisted you investigated.

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Speaker 4: Detective Ben Boysen is an old school type, a man

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Speaker 4: of service and honor. He's a cop because he had

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Speaker 4: a calling, and he's also the author of On the

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Speaker 4: Devil's Trail, How I hunted down the Kruger Store of Killers.

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Speaker 6: The biggest problem that most of the policemen do and

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Speaker 6: they investigate the crime where Sism is involved, and I

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Speaker 6: want to investigates.

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Speaker 11: Is not the crime.

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Speaker 6: It's a religion, so it's not against the Luan. So

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Speaker 6: you still need to focus on on the murder.

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Speaker 4: Unlike prior special investigators, Detective Ben Boysen wasn't the least

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Speaker 4: bit captivated by the sealacious. He had no time for

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Speaker 4: the supernatural. He came to solve crimes, not to speculate

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Speaker 4: about witches and blood drinkers. Ben Boisen was a dogged cop.

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Speaker 4: His heart was in it, fully committed to bringing justice

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Speaker 4: to the wronged and peace to the grieving. However, this

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Speaker 4: case would test even him. Mirinda would once again find

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Speaker 4: her way out of police custody, and the task team

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Speaker 4: would continue to search for the conductor of this cacophony,

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Speaker 4: Queen Havoc herself. This time, Mirinda and Cecilia had officially

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Speaker 4: met their match detected. Ben Boyson would not rest until

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Speaker 4: the killing ceased.

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Speaker 6: That is the school way Maranda used to teach. When

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Speaker 6: did she stop teaching when I arrested her.

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Speaker 4: On the next episode of Queen Havoc.

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Speaker 6: Le Rustaine made a confession.

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Speaker 8: They managed to id him as Zach Valentine.

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Speaker 6: For a young boy like that picking up a date

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Speaker 6: person and allowed him into a vehicle. It's totally not possible.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't involved in any actual killing.

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Speaker 6: She used the people to do it for her while

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Speaker 6: I was speaking to him in prison. I've got the

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Speaker 6: scenes that is predicting the people around him.

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Speaker 4: Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of

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Speaker 4: Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and

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Speaker 4: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takeiny,

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Speaker 4: Julia Chriscau, and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriska.

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Speaker 4: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.

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Speaker 4: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, Editing,

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Speaker 4: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger, Additional editing by

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Speaker 4: Miranda Hawkins. Associate producers are DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Krier.

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Speaker 4: Additional producing by Ben Melman, fact checking by Dennis Webster.

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Speaker 4: Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook.

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Speaker 4: Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, L. C. Crowley, Brandon Barr,

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Speaker 4: Jennifer Takini and Kurt Kupachak. We want to thank all

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Speaker 4: of those who so generously welcomed us in South Africa

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Speaker 4: and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful to you all.

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Speaker 4: We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are

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Speaker 4: for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy.

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Speaker 4: If you or someone you know has been affected by

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Speaker 4: cult behaviors, there are resources available, including voices for Dignity

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Speaker 4: at Christine Murray dot com