1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: This episode contains descriptions of intimate partner violence. Please listen 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: with care. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: My name is Lali rolon By. They coming Lally, so 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: a lot of people like it. Ever hit me as 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Sally and they were like, oh, yeah, Lally. She went 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: to school with her. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 8 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: The person that Lollie went to school with was Daisy. 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: They met in the seventh grade when they get home 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: room together and. 11 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: For some reason we ended up sitting in the same 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: table and we ended up talking, you know, and to me, 13 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: she was really beautiful. She had beautiful eyes. Her eyes 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: or what caught my attention. I was like wow, and 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: we started getting close. She was so like nice, caring. 16 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: She would always ask me like, you know, like those 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: type of going friends, how are you doing, how are 18 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: you feeling? And like when I would talk to her, 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: it was all like smiles, you know, like laughs and 20 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: smiles and everything. 21 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: And then we ended up getting closer in eighth grade 22 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 3: because I. 23 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Had her for keea junior High was more than a 24 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: decade ago for Lollie. She's in her early twenties now. 25 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: She's got wavy brown hair parted down the middle, and 26 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: on the day that we met, she wore a Whitney 27 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: Houston t shirt. She wants to be a nurse someday, 28 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: delivering babies, but for the time being, she delivers something else, 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: food from local restaurants that's in between classes at East 30 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: La College. I first reached out to Lali on TikTok. 31 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Her profile is filled with funny, candid videos, nothing too edited, 32 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: nothing too trendy, just snippets of everyday life. A friend 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: walking around with a paper bag over her head, soccer 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: teammates banging on plastic bottles to make an ASMR drum beat. 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Lalie and I met up at a coffee shop in 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Huntington Park. It's a working class suburb just a few 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: miles south of downtown Los Angeles. We sat at an 38 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: outdoor table on Pacific Boulevard, the main shopping district. It's 39 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: filled with signs and Spanish advertising, tax lawyers and passport photos. 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: There are huge, glittery boutiques that sell tuxedos and princess 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: like Kinsaniera addresses. The business is here cater to a 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: population of mostly immigrants, like Lolly's family they're from Tebasco, Mexico, 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: and Daisy's family back when they lived here, they're from 44 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: Mexico City. Daisy and Lolly bonded instantly. They had the 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,279 Speaker 1: kind of closeness where they could spend hours together, sometimes 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: without even saying a word. But there were times when 47 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: Lollie wondered if there was more going on with Daisy 48 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: than she let on. 49 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: I feel like she never really told me what was 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: going on, deep deep inside. Maybe she didn't want people 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: to know him. Maybe she wanted to make it seem 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: like she was always fine, you know, because that's what. 53 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: She seemed like. It seemed like she was always okay. 54 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: It seemed like she was always happy. 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: This idea that Daisy always put on a smile no 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: matter what it was something that came up a lot 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: when I spoke to her friends. 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: She could have been going through problems and she'd put 59 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: yours before hers. You know, she wouldn't even tell you 60 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: about hers to help you with yours. So I feel 61 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: like that shows a lot. There's not a lot of 62 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: people that would do that. You know, a lot of 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: people just focus on them, like all my problems, my problems, 64 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: and when you talking about yours, like, oh no, not 65 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: right now, like I'm talking about mine. 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: And Lolly and Daisy drifted apart in high school, Lollie 67 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: went to one school, Daisy to another. But Daisy always 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: stayed on Lolly's mind. 69 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: But that love that I had for her from elementary, 70 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: middle school, whatever, is always there. 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 3: You know, It's always gonna stay there. 72 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: Even just because of when I suparate, way doesn't mean 73 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: that I'm ever gonna forget about her. 74 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: Because even even. 75 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: Daisy and Lolly went ended up having a chance encounter 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: in high school. In this encounter, it shed light on 77 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Daisy's inner life, on one of the difficult things that 78 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: she was struggling with in the years after they lost touch. 79 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: It still haunts Lolly today. 80 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: When I found out what happened, That's when I was 81 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: like down like, I felt guilty. 82 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: I felt remorse. When I was like down like, I 83 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: wondered if I could have helped her. 84 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm Jen Swan from London Audio. iHeart Radio an executive 85 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: producer Para Selton. This is My Friend Daisy, Episode three, 86 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Smile Now I'll cry Later. Valerie Ariano was two grades 87 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: above Daisy. She was a sophomore in high school when 88 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Daisy was in the eighth grade. 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: She was still a little kid, still with her little 90 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 4: She hadn't had her hair died yet, and I would 91 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: see her like in the school uniform. She was so 92 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: sweet and innocent. 93 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: It's possible that the two might never have met if 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Valerie's best friend didn't end up getting pregnant. The father 95 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: was Daisy's older brother. 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: I was worried for my friend, you know, having a 97 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: kid so young, because you were like fifteen or sixteen, 98 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 4: and Daisy was I think barely thirteen. So I did 99 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 4: worry about my friend going through something like that so young. 100 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 4: But I think I felt a little bit calmer seeing 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 4: that she had Daisy there. She was living with her 102 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: at the time, and I felt like Daisy kind of 103 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 4: in a way became like another sister for her, you know. 104 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: When the baby was born in the fall of twenty fifteen, 105 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Daisy embraced being an aunt. Later she would even get 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: a tattoo of the baby's name. Daisy adored the baby's 107 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: mother too. She got a septum ring just like her, 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: and started dying. 109 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 5: Her hair like her too. 110 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure she was already interested in that stuff, 111 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: but I think living with my friend, and because my 112 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 4: friend would dye her hair all the time too, she'll 113 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: have it like so burnt from like dying you red, 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: having a blonde, dying of blue, green, purple. 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because I can relate. My hair was also 116 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: fried in high school. Honestly, my brain was probably a 117 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: little fried too, from all the bleach I put on 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: my head, followed by clumps of manic panic and neon shades. 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: And I started seeing Daisy dress up like tat too, 120 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: and she looks so cool. And I remember she would 121 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: dye her hair like all these different kinds of colors, 122 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: and at one point she had a blonde, and she 123 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 4: kind of reminded me of like Courtney Love. I don't 124 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: know if some people take that as a fence or compliment. 125 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: She looked really cute, though. 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Valeries, in her mid twenties, was short, curly bangs and 127 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: thick care that when we met she wore in two braids. 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: I had messaged Valerie on Facebook after noticing that she 129 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: donated to the GoFundMe that Daisy's mother had started to 130 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: help with her funeral costs. Valerie's Facebook page is like 131 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: a community bulletin board. She often reposts flyers about missing 132 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: people and lost pets, PSAs about shelter animals that need homes, 133 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: and in person she was just as sensitive and caring 134 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: as her online profile suggested. A few years back, she 135 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: told me she started studying sociology at cal State LA 136 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: because she wanted to work in homeless services. Then she 137 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: got disillusion and switched over to art education. She wants 138 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: to get her teaching credential someday to work in a 139 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: field where she can really. 140 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 5: Have an impact and make a difference. 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: We sat at a picnic table outside the Civic Center 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: in Huntington Park. That's where Valerie grew up and where 143 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: she still lives, and she told me about the first 144 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: time she met Daisy, about how she watched as Daisy's 145 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: style and musical tastes began to evolve. 146 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 5: Go'll see her. 147 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: Wear like Nirvana's shirts. I would be wearing those shirts 148 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: of the Smiths, and she would ask me like, oh, 149 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: where did you buy that shirt? 150 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: Not I would tell her like, oh. 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: I'm Pacific nearby walking distance, And I started seeing her 152 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: wear shirts of the Smiths too. 153 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: With her tough exterior, Daisy sometimes gave off the ear 154 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: of someone who was unfazed self a shirt, but underneath 155 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: it all, she was going through a lot. It seems 156 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: like she was probably dealing with a lot of uncertainty. 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Her parents were getting a divorce after nearly two decades 158 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: of marriage. It was finalized in the summer of twenty seventeen, 159 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: and based on what I've heard from Daisy's mother, Susie, 160 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: it must have been hard on Daisy. I haven't been 161 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: able to reach her father. I asked his father, Juan 162 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: de lo Oh, to help us get in touch her back. 163 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 5: But from what. 164 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Susie told me, Daisy used to be very close with 165 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: her father. A daddy's girl is how she put it. 166 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: She was really like this with her dad, she told me, 167 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: crossing her index and middle fingers together. But after the split, 168 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Susie and Daisy got a lot closer. They ended up 169 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: moving in with Daisy's grandparents in Compton. It was a 170 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: tight squeeze, but it was at least familiar. They'd all 171 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: lived there for a time when Daisy and her siblings 172 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: were younger. Susie told me that in order to maintain 173 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: a sense of normalcy, she decided not to take her 174 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: kids out of the schools they were already enrolled in. 175 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Now Daisy had to commute to school from a different city, 176 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Huntingdon Park, was a straight shot on the bus eight 177 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: miles north along Beach Boulevard until it turned into Pacific. 178 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: The drive took a half hour by car, or sometimes 179 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: an hour on public transit. It's hard to imagine this 180 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: was an easy transition. Daisy was living far from her friends, 181 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: her school, her community, and now she had to navigate 182 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: a new living arrangement with extend family members she didn't 183 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: always get along with. But around this time, when Daisy 184 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: was a sophomore in high school, she began dating somebody 185 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: that seemed to bring her comfort, at least in the beginning. 186 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: When she introduced her mother to her boyfriend, she said 187 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: that he was seventeen, just two years older than she was, 188 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: and at first Susie had no reason to doubt that. 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Victor Sosa looked like your average teenage skateboarder. Could carried 190 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: a skateboard with him wherever he went. He had thick 191 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: eyebrows and a thin mustache. He sometimes grew his dark 192 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: lady hair past his shoulders. But the thing that everybody 193 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: noticed about him was his ear lobes. They'd been stretched 194 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: engaged with jewelry. It looked like big black discs. His 195 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: appearance didn't bother, Susie, she was actually suspicious of him 196 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: for another reason. He was too quiet, she told me, 197 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: And pretty soon she began to notice things about him 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: that made her suspect he was a lot older than seventeen. 199 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I saw tattoos on him, she told me, a lot 200 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: of tattoos, and I'm like, how old is he? 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 5: For real? 202 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Susie would later discover that her daughter had lied to 203 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: her about her boyfriend's age. He was already twenty one 204 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: when Daisy was fifteen. Susie had always felt like she 205 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: and her daughter run a team, but after Victor came 206 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: into the picture, she no longer felt that way. It 207 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: seemed like everything had changed. Susie had been working long 208 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: hours to make ends meet. She was seeing less and 209 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: less of her daughter, and when they did hang out, 210 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: Daisy never wanted to talk about Victor. Susie told me. 211 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: A number of Daisy's friends told me the same thing, 212 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: that Victor was a topic that was always off limits. 213 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: They didn't know much about him, and they weren't even 214 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: really sure how the two of them met, but they 215 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: knew better than. 216 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 5: To ask about it. When they did, Daisy. 217 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes told them that he wasn't worth talking about but 218 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Victor clearly didn't feel that way about Daisy. It was 219 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: like he wanted the whole world to know about his relationship, 220 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: because on Instagram he filled his grid with photos of 221 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: her Daisy with her hair bleached blonde and then dyed 222 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: jack lantern orange daisy and fishnets climbing a fence, Daisy 223 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: and fishnets on a beach, Daisy in an antique shop, 224 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: a little yellow daisy propped in the buttonhole of her 225 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: jeene jacket. His Instagram contained a few photos of himself too. 226 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: There was one photo that showed off his tattoos on 227 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: his leg, an image of Jason the Killer from Friday 228 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: the thirteenth, two blades arranged like crossbones under a hockey 229 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: mask across as abdomen, an outline of the Grim Reaper. 230 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: It seemed like he had a thing for horror movies, 231 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: right down to the clothes he wore. He even sometimes 232 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: dressed like Freddy Krueger in a red striped sweater and 233 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: bowler hat. His look sometimes freaked people out, like Jose Tayas, 234 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: the apartment manag at Daisy's building. He'd sometimes see Victor 235 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: hanging around the apartment complex with Daisy and he was 236 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: not into it. I see his black grass and looked 237 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: like a shadow. 238 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 5: Looked like a different along the people. 239 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: He dressed in all black, like a shadow, Jose said. 240 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: Then he compared Victor to the Undertaker, the wrestler who 241 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: entered the ring in a black leather trench coat and 242 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: top hat. Daisy's style had become a little theatrical too. 243 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Her hair was cut short and asymmetrical, and her makeup 244 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: was dark and bold. She looked a little like the 245 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties punk singer Susi Sue. By her junior year 246 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: of high school, she had changed her looks so much 247 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: that Lolly, her friend from middle school, had to do 248 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: a double take when she spotted Daisy on the bus. 249 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,479 Speaker 2: I only recognized her because of her eyes. Her appearance 250 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: was completely different, her hair was dye, her makeup was 251 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: like at that moment, to me, it was like a 252 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: little like I thought about it crazy and in a sense, 253 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: you know, but now that I think about like, it's 254 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: not crazy. 255 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: It was just her expressive how she felt, you know. 256 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: She and Daisy hadn't seen each other in yours and 257 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Lollly wasn't even sure if it was really Daisy. 258 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 5: She was seeing on a. 259 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: Type of person that if you look familiar to me, 260 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: I'll approach and I'm like, hey, are you this person? 261 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: I think I know you? And that's what I did. 262 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: I approached her and I was like Daisy, and then 263 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: she was like she looked at me and she turned around. 264 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: She was like Lally, So we're all like, oh, we 265 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: recognize each other. 266 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: You know. 267 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: Lolly and Daisy had a lot to catch up on 268 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: and they only had the length of a bus ride 269 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: to do it. Lollie didn't want to waste any time, 270 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: so she went straight to the big questions on. 271 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: The type of friends that when you catch up, how 272 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: you been, what are you up to? Are you dating anyone? 273 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: You know? 274 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: Like those are the main questions for me to know, 275 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: like how are you doing emotionally physically and love life? 276 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: Like are you someone? Are you happy? Are you single? 277 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: Like yeah, and she was just like, oh, yeah, I 278 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: have a boyfriend her name is he's older than me. 279 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: And then she used to me like, oh, like sometimes 280 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: she's just a little processive, you know, like she like 281 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: kind of downd it down a little bit. 282 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: But that's why I didn't think much of it, you know. 283 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if her friends knew what was 284 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: going on with Victor. 285 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe it should have known. 286 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: It sounded like a lot of Bagh school relationships, including 287 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: her own, full of drama and security and intensity. 288 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: I think much of it because I was like, Okay, 289 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: like when in high school, we all have problems with 290 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: the partners, you know, Like at that moment, I was 291 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: a little possessive as well, not like you know, like 292 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: crazy posessive, but I do suffer from depression and like 293 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: I have a HD, I have a little bit of anger. 294 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: She was so like, it just takes time to work 295 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: on like yourself. 296 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: So I kind of understood her, and I was, okay, 297 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: maybe he just is going through a little face. 298 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: Maybe he has to work on it. So they didn't 299 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: think much of it. 300 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: But then during that past ride days they can fight 301 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: it a little more. 302 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: And then she just told me that she wasn't sure 303 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: about it because of how he was, you know, he 304 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: told She told. 305 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: Me that she didn't like how he was sometimes. 306 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: That he will get like a little violent, and that 307 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: she was like, you know, thinking what she do and 308 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then I just told her, like 309 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: you ever need advice, you need help. 310 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: Let me know. 311 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: Lolly was concerned, but she knew that Daisy had a 312 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: close circle of friends at her high school, a big 313 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: support system. What she didn't know is that she was 314 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: one of the few people, maybe even the only one, 315 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: who Daisy talked about her relationship with. Maybe in hindsight, 316 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: it made a strange sort of sense. 317 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: Maybe she told me because I didn't know the guy. 318 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: You know. 319 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: I feel like maybe that's what she told me because 320 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: she knew that I wasn't gonna go and tell other 321 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: people or they said, is having problems with her boyfriend, 322 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: because I didn't even know the people that she wasn't 323 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: in now with, you know. 324 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: But Lollie didn't know many of the details and the 325 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: truth of what was really going on. It was so 326 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: much worse than she I have imagined. One night during 327 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: the summer before Daisy's senior year of high school, her grandfather, 328 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: Juan de Lo, was asleep on the couch. Daisy's younger 329 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: brother began screaming at him to wake up. 330 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 5: You see build me lazy okay. 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: Wan said that his grandson shouted, Grandpa, Grandpa, it's Victor. 332 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 5: He hit Daisy. 333 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Daisy's mother, Susie was in the car on her way home. 334 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: She got a call from her youngest son and heard 335 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: him shouting he hit her. He hit her with a skateboard. 336 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: When Susie got to the apartment complex, she saw blood 337 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: on the ground, but Daisy was nowhere to be found. 338 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: She had taken off running, just like Victor. To Susie, 339 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: it seems like Daisy was embarrassed, embarrassed that her younger 340 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: brother had witnessed what had happened. She was such a mature, 341 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: rough girl. Susie told me that for her, that was 342 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: embarrassing that she was getting hit by this person. Daisy's 343 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: mother and her grandfather and her little brother began running 344 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: after Daisy and Victor, chasing them down the street. Victor 345 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: eventually got away when they caught up with Daisy. She 346 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: was distraught the public spectacle of her family chasing her 347 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend down the street. It probably added to 348 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: her embarrassment, and the last thing she wanted to do 349 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: was to talk about what had happened, or even to 350 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: seek treatment for it. 351 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 5: Susie pleaded with her daughter. 352 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: She wanted to see the wound on her head, but 353 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Daisy wouldn't show her. She was covering it with a hat. 354 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: You need stitches, Susie told her. 355 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 5: But Daisy did not want to go to the hospital. 356 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: It seemed like she was afraid of reporting the assault, 357 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: afraid of drawing even more attention to her injury and 358 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: what that might mean for her relationship. Finally, Susie made 359 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: a promise. She told her daughter that she wouldn't call 360 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: the police. She was bluffing. She had actually already called 361 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: the police. Problem was the police never showed up, she 362 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: told me. Daisy finally agreed to let her mother take 363 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: her to the emergency room, but when they got there, 364 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: Susie told me Daisy insisted to the medical staff that 365 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: nothing had happened, no assault had taken place. California law 366 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: requires registered nurses to make a report anytime they suspect 367 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: a patient has been injured as a result of abuse, 368 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: and that's regardless of whether the patient consents to it, 369 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: So it's unclear why a report was not taken, but 370 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: because there was no report made. This account of alleged 371 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: assault isn't based on any sort of official record. It's 372 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: based on my interviews with Daisy's mother, her grandfather, and 373 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: her youngest brother, who confirmed to me that he witnessed it. Jeffrey, 374 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: the teenager whose grandmother lived in the building, also witnessed 375 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: the attack, according to his mother. After Daisy got stitched 376 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: up at the hospital, Susie went to the La County 377 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Sheriff's station in Compton. Since the hospital wouldn't file a 378 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: police report, she figured she'd go to the police herself. 379 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: But Susie said they told her, quote the same crap, 380 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: They can't make a report if the victim doesn't come forward. 381 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 5: Susie was baffled. 382 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: Her daughter was a miner, and she'd been injured so 383 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: badly that she needed stitches. Wasn't that enough to file 384 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: a police report. Susie was not willing to take no 385 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: for an answer. She went to a different law enforcement agency, 386 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: the Huntington Park Police Department, in the city where Daisy 387 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: attended high school, but again, she said she was turned away. 388 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: The police department declined to file a report or press 389 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: charges without the cooperation of the victim. I asked the 390 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: Huntington Park Police Department about this. A media spokesperson said 391 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: they don't comment on incidents involving miners, but a lieutenant 392 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: did tell me that this kind of situation quote, it's 393 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: not really spelled out in a policy. He described it 394 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: as a gray area, meaning if a parent comes in 395 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: to report a crime against their child and the child 396 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: doesn't want to provide a statement, police might not be 397 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: able to gather information. 398 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: For a police report. 399 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: When Daisy returned in the fall for her senior year 400 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: of high school, she was called into the principal's office. 401 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: When she got there, school administrators wanted to ask her 402 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: about the alleged assault. She said she didn't know what 403 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: they were talking about, and that's when, according to Susie, 404 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Daisy was told that they had already interviewed her younger 405 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: brother and he said the attack did happen. Was she 406 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: calling her brother a liar? This confrontation, it was all 407 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: a set up. It had been masterminded by Susie. She 408 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: told me that she had approched school administrators for help 409 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: in making a record of the alleged assault. These administrators 410 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: did not comment on or corroborate this incident, citing student confidentiality. 411 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: According to Susie, her daughter cracked under the pressure. She 412 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: told them, no, my brother is not a liar, and yes, 413 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: what he says did happen. 414 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 5: Victor was banned from entering the. 415 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: Campus as a result, Susie told me, and she also 416 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: banned him from entering her home. And it was roughly 417 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: around this time, maybe just a few weeks earlier, that 418 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: Victor posted this really cryptic. 419 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 5: Image on Instagram. 420 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: It was this old school tattoo style illustration of this 421 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: guy holding two different theater masks. 422 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 5: Maybe you've seen this kind of thing. 423 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: It's like a happy mask in one hand and a 424 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: sad mask in the other, and there's this text across 425 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: it that says smile now, cry later, and then the 426 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: caption says not allowed to see my girlfriend no more. 427 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: And then there's this hand clapping emoji and an hourglass emoji. 428 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: The whole thing is really ominous, Like was it some 429 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: kind of threat of Tie running out? It's impossible to 430 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: know for sure what he meant by this, and it's 431 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: also impossible to know how exactly this whole experience affected Daisy. 432 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: It had to have been incredibly difficult, and it seems 433 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: like at that point, you know, she was already struggling 434 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: with this relationship, with whether to stay, how to go, 435 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: And I just wonder, is this the thing that made 436 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: her see clearly gravely I need to get out. But 437 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: getting out of a bad relationship, it takes time. In 438 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: Daisy's case, it happened about two and a half years 439 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: after the alleged assault with the skateboard. It was early 440 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. We were driving. Susie told me she 441 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: was like, by the way I broke up with what's's face. 442 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: Susie told me that Daisy didn't even like to mention 443 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: Victor by name because she knew her mother disliked himself 444 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: so much. Inside, Susie said, she was jumping up and 445 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: down at this news, but she didn't want to show 446 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: Daisy how excited she was. Teenagers are weird, Susie said. 447 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: The more you tell them not to do something, the 448 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: more they want to do it, and vice versa. So 449 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: Susie kept driving. She tried her best to hide her 450 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: smile and act casual. She kept her hands on the 451 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: steering wheel, she looked straight ahead. And besides, it wasn't 452 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the first time that Daisy and Victor had broken up, 453 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: but something about this time felt different, more real or final. 454 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it was the fact that Daisy seemed like she 455 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: had so many more options in her life now. She'd 456 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: made friends in her college classes, she'd gotten a job, 457 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: at CBS, and she had coworkers that she really liked. 458 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: There was something else that Daisy did that silently suggested 459 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: this breakup was the real thing. She deleted all of 460 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: her photos of Victor on Instagram. One of Daisy's friends 461 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: told me that she clocked this immediately. Daisy never said 462 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: a word to her about the breakup. She didn't need to. 463 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Her social media said it all. Her and Victor were over. 464 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: The oldest remaining post on Daisy's grid after she deleted 465 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: everything else, was a sealthie. It was posted on February third, 466 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which was roughly around the time she 467 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: broke up with Victor. The photo didn't show her face, 468 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: but it did show a purple key hanging from a 469 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: chain around her neck, a moon and bat tattoo on 470 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: her clavicle, a spider web inked across her shoulder. The 471 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: caption on its way to happiness. At the time that 472 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: she posted this image and caption, it was when her 473 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: break at East de Lehih College, But Daisy was not 474 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: taking a break. She was enrolled in a course called 475 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Management for Small Business Entrepreneurship. In other words, she was 476 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: on her grind. She wanted to own her own salon 477 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: one day, and this was one step along the way. 478 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: And this class was intense. What was normally four months 479 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: of instruction was crammed into just five weeks. 480 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 6: Some students in the first three weeks so drop out. 481 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 6: What they realized, like, oh, I thought it was just 482 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 6: going to be an easy, five week, easier class. 483 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: That's Frank Ageray. He's the chair of easter La College's 484 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: Business Administration program. He's got dark, slipped back hair, and 485 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: he wore polo shirt printed with the college's mascot, a Husky. 486 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: Our business administration degree is one of the most popular 487 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 6: degrees on campus, and so we're also one of the 488 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 6: biggest community colleges in the state, maybe like the third 489 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 6: largest in the country. 490 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: Frank didn't get to know Daisy well. This class was 491 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: only five weeks long and it was also completely online. 492 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: This was still less than a year into the pandemic, 493 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: so that was the norm. But he did try to 494 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: get to know all of his students to understand the 495 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: reasoning for taking his class, and one way that he 496 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: did that was by asking them all to submit a 497 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: questionnaire to tell him about their background and interests, to 498 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: name something unique about themselves. Of course, I wanted to 499 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: know what Daisy had written in hers Well, I can read. 500 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: You what she said here. 501 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 6: She has a picture. 502 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: She's my Daisy Dela. 503 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 7: Oh. 504 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 6: The reason I'm taking this course is because I would 505 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 6: like more knowledge how small businesses run. On my personal 506 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 6: entrepreneurship opportunities. My plans are to get a bachelor's or 507 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 6: master's in business. 508 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: I do plan on. 509 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 6: Transferring to CLA, Stanford, you see San Diego, and my 510 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 6: free time I enjoy drawing, skating and reading something unique 511 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 6: about me as I am creative. 512 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that. 513 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really she wanted to go to bachelor's and 514 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: go to Stanford or UCLA or you see San Diego. 515 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: And do you mind if that's what her photo. 516 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 5: Looked like, because I know she changed her hair color 517 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 5: all the time. 518 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 3: Can I see? Yeah? Of course? 519 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 5: Oh wow, I hadn't seen that photo. 520 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: Okay, so she has kind of the blonde in the 521 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: front and the. 522 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: Black on the sides. Okay, thank you. 523 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: I stared at this photo of this nineteen year old 524 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: woman with so many dreams, so much life ahead of her. 525 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 5: I thought about how the. 526 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: World was just beginning to open itself up to her 527 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: to become so much bigger. 528 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 5: I thought about how she had. 529 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: Recently made this big decision to leave a partner who, 530 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: by many accounts had been abusive to her, and how 531 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: difficult that must have been. I thought about the injustice 532 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: of it all. Just three weeks after this class ended, 533 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: her life would be taken from her and to a 534 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of people who knew Daisy. It seemed like the 535 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: cops were willing to let her case go cold, not 536 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: if they could help it. 537 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 5: Next time. On My Friend Daisy, it was hard. 538 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 8: And especially because where it happened. It was like where 539 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 8: she was living, and it's like what, like how can 540 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 8: it happen? And nobody sawn the thing, nobody heard anything. 541 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 7: Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to My 542 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 7: Friend Daisy. 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