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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edo State is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo? And them and Tie Dan Ribston.

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Speaker 3: You see this shirt I'm wearing USA, good old US

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Speaker 3: of a Man to nil over Bolivia game one of

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Speaker 3: the Copa America on Sunday evening.

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Speaker 1: Felt really good? Yeah, nice, really good.

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Speaker 3: This is a college football show, mind you, but got

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Speaker 3: a sports team here on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tie, he's Dan. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Where'd they play the game? Was it at and T.

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Speaker 1: Played the game in Arlington? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Agen, that's college football ish. There've been national championships in

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Speaker 2: that stadium. I mean apparently the Ohio State Oregon one

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Speaker 2: from early twenty fifteen. I imagined it apparently didn't happen, correct,

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Speaker 2: that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they got the turf sorded. I believe the

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Speaker 3: first game that they played there, the turf was like

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Speaker 3: days before they started playing. And so the roots didn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever had SOD, but you know,

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Speaker 3: like the roots gotta like.

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Speaker 1: Anchor otherwise take hold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it seems like that was a little

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Speaker 3: bit better and there weren't any injuries or anything to

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Speaker 1: So good news on that front. Good news on this front.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we get to talk college football. Welcome one, Welcome all.

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Speaker 3: see what we've got in store for all y'all this

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Speaker 3: coming twenty twenty four college football season.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, though, we're gearing up to do previews,

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Speaker 3: which is going to happen next month in the good

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Speaker 3: tuned for that. In the interim, though, you made a

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Speaker 3: and I are both in this unique situation where people

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Speaker 1: What is it that you do?

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Speaker 3: And I think over the years we found new and

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Speaker 1: Dan, What does all this mean? What are your thoughts

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of doomsday scenarios floating around out there,

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Speaker 3: and soet today, Well, you can expand a little bit

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, look, we did the June

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm just thinking to some of the

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Speaker 3: The expanded Playoff, Sure, the expanded Playoff is the one

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Speaker 3: What? Douomerism, dumerism, That's the doumerism in this argument. Sure,

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Speaker 2: the SEC? Do I feel strong things about LSU because

437
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: they've won the conference four years in a row. And

438
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 2: might lose to you know, Kentucky or something like that. Like,

439
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: I feel like there's going to be a muddied narrative

440
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: shift when you don't have clear alpha's alpha. I know

441
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: you put what alpha male next year Twitter handle, that's

442
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: the thing you do.

443
00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: I always have to.

444
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 2: But when you lose that like clear storyline, is that

445
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: not you? I was positive that was you? Maybe you

446
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: just give off alpha male.

447
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: En idea it's keep going. Oh sorry, No.

448
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: My broader point is I think it'll be tougher with

449
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: some teams, right, like you know the Big Ten, Ohio

450
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: State and Michigan are still going to be there. We

451
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: don't quite know what Oregon's going to do and how

452
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: they're going to to find themselves in the hierarchy of

453
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. Same for Texas and Oklahoma. But like

454
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: you lose Jim Harbaugh, you lose Nick Saban and so

455
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: I think it becomes more difficult to sort of figure

456
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: out how you feel about watching certain games. Does that

457
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: make sense?

458
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: But it does make sense.

459
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Speaker 3: And you sort of tangentially brought up something that I

460
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 3: was going to go to next, and I think it's

461
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: a good segue for it. So I think one point

462
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: about this that I am most interested in seeing develop

463
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: over the next couple seasons is exactly what you described

464
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: in passing, and that is what will the sentiment be

465
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: among hardcore, casual, hobbyist college football fans with respect to

466
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: the Big Ten in the SEC. Because we have seen,

467
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: you know, we've been doing this for a long time now,

468
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: we have seen I think a pretty drastic shift in

469
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: public sentiment against the networks, against the likes of ESPN

470
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: and Fox because many folks rightly or wrongly believed that

471
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: they were the powers behind changing college football in this way.

472
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: And ESPN more so than Fox, just because of their

473
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: history with the sport and game day and the visibility

474
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Speaker 2: of their personalities continue.

475
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: And so I wonder if for a long time it

476
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: has been you play an.

477
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: SEC team, you want to take out the SEC.

478
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: I haven't felt quite that sentiment with respect to the

479
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: Big Ten, with respect to really any of the conference.

480
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: It's just been the SEC because the SEC has almost

481
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: branded itself as a cut above and it has been

482
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Speaker 3: the toughest conference to their credit. I understand where that's

483
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: coming from. But now in this new media landscape where

484
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: it is very clearly a two horse race to be

485
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: the alpha males of the college football conference alignment structure,

486
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: whatever word we're using here. I feel like you're going

487
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: to have more and more people out there who want

488
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: to root against those gay unless your team plays in

489
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: those conferences. Just some of what I've picked up, some

490
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: of the notes from the kind folk around this great land.

491
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: I have detected a real almost animis towards those two conferences.

492
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: In particular, of course, and especially so after the news

493
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: came out about Oh, we're going to expand it to

494
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: fourteen Now, Dennis Dodd was writing articles about how Tony

495
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: Patiti and Greg Sankier are doing their best to try

496
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: and assert some dominance here over the college football landscape.

497
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Speaker 1: I think that will have a knock on effect.

498
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: I think it'll take a little bit of time for

499
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: people to get there, but it wouldn't surprise me in

500
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: time if people start hating on the Big Ten.

501
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: The way they have hated on the SEC for all

502
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: these years.

503
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's we're already there.

504
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: Those are already the two conferences that have a target

505
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: on their back for sure. Right, sort of a build

506
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: on what you were saying, but I think that's where

507
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: we're headed.

508
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: If we're not already there.

509
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, and we've talked about this before,

510
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: is the issue of scarcity that like people are excited

511
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: and I think rightfully so, and I'm excited about this,

512
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: like more good matchups, more quality matchups, because you're adding

513
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: quality to a bunch of different conferences. But if the

514
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: SEC or the Big Ten in particular, because of the

515
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: size of those conferences and the teams that they're adding,

516
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: if they're every week offering you a top twenty matchup,

517
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't celebrate your birthday every month, right,

518
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: there is something fun about that what we get to

519
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: watch does not happen every week. You know, A top

520
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: five match does not happen every week. A Top ten

521
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: matchup does not happen every week. And so if you

522
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: are offering somebody that three of those seven of those

523
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: every week between a bunch of different conferences, and I

524
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: don't know if math definitely does not bear that out,

525
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: But if you're offering that people two people more often, yes,

526
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: in the short term, I believe people will be more

527
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: excited about the new novel interesting matchups. But like, if

528
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: you're weighing watching a big game at three point thirty

529
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: Eastern versus meeting buddies somewhere, you know, to play golf

530
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're like, well, this happens every week,

531
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: so I can miss this number seventeen versus Number thirteen

532
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: matchup because I know next week when I turn on

533
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: my TV, I'm just going to get Penn State UCLA

534
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: in the top twenty or something like that, because it's

535
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: going to happen so much more often, because those conferences

536
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: are going to be rightfull ley er wrongfully respected in

537
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: the polls a little bit more that like, those types

538
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: of matchups will go from interesting and new to not

539
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: especially special.

540
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: On the topic of having conversations with fans, I had

541
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: a conversation this weekend with my fourteen year old nephew Nice.

542
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: Always a very weird stage in life when your nieces

543
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: and nephews, or in some cases your offspring get old

544
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: enough to have real conversations about sports. Yeah they know

545
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: just as much as you do. Really makes you feel old.

546
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: It did on Saturday. But we had a conversation about

547
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: the expanded playoff, and his question to me was, Hey,

548
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: what is what is new?

549
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: What is going on?

550
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot about this. My friends have talked

551
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: about it, what is new? And I mentioned the expanded

552
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: playoff and the reaction was, Oh, that's cool, that's cool.

553
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: I'm real curious to see a few years down the

554
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: line if people still feel like that's a cool thing.

555
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: Because you bring up the point of scarcity. Many have

556
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: brought up the point about diluting the regular season, which

557
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: has long been the crown jewel of college football, these

558
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: games on campus, these big rivalries that make the sport tick, etc.

559
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Etc.

560
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: And also I think with the conference realignment, with some

561
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: of these conferences getting a lot stronger, it will have

562
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: an effect on when loss records. You will have a

563
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: conversation at some point whether an eight and fourteen belongs

564
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: in the playoff, not because their records eight and four,

565
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: but maybe because they play in the SEC and they

566
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: played a brutal schedule, right, the committee will take that

567
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: into account. Maybe nine to three becomes the new ten

568
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: and two for some of these programs that are used

569
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: to winning a certain number of games, but now the

570
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: schedule for everybody gets a little bit harder. Frankly, I

571
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: don't know how that's going to go over now. I've

572
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: said for years in this show, when the playoff is expanded.

573
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: We knew it was going to expand. It was always

574
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: a matter of when, not if, when the playoff expands.

575
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: Qualifying for the field twelve fourteen, however many teams it

576
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: ends up being qualifying into the playoff, will be the

577
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: new threshold by which we measure coaching success. Not so

578
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: much what you're doing during the regular season, that obviously

579
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: has an effect as well, but are you making the

580
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: playoff and once you get there, are you able to

581
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: win games or at least look competitive once you arrive.

582
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: I think that is going to be the new measuring stick.

583
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if records look a little bit weaker

584
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: than they have in the past. I'm curious with it

585
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 3: being easier to get into the playoff, maybe with an

586
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: eight and four, I don't know, depends on the year.

587
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm curious with all of these factors now playing a

588
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: pretty significant role in a way that we didn't see

589
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: five years ago, if that will affect people's perceptions of

590
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: their own teams, if they will feel better about a

591
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: nine and three season, if it will be disappointing a

592
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: nine and three season, knowing that the schedule is going

593
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: to be harder, knowing that the pathway into.

594
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: The playoff, Like you could play it both ways. You

595
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: can get in the playoff.

596
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: And maybe have a worse record, whereas before you could

597
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: have a great record and still not get it. It

598
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: feels like they almost cancel out to me, I'm just

599
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what kind of effect that has

600
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: on the public.

601
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the conversation since the announcement of the expansion has

602
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: been like, oh, more teams are going to be in

603
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: it come November or whatever, right that there's going to

604
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: be seventeen teams that like feel like they have a shot.

605
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: What does that mean? I have no idea. I know

606
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: that my gut says. You may think seventeen or nineteen

607
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: or twenty two or fourteen teams or whatever have a shot.

608
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: But all things being equal, there was going to be

609
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: the Big ten team getting in. Let me be the

610
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: SEC team getting it.

611
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question on that point. Yes,

612
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: you know.

613
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: The energy level around college football fandom? Sure, every year

614
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: it's a cycle. We see it in downloads, we see

615
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: it in questions, we see it in YouTube comments. It

616
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: has been this way every year since we started doing

617
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 3: this Showy Buddy is undefeated in August and through a

618
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: good chunk of September. But once teams start getting into

619
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: their conference schedules, usually once you get into around the

620
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: mid October timeframe, that's when you start to see interest

621
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: peter out a little bit. Do you think that pattern

622
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: is going to hold this season? Knowing that more teams

623
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: will be available come the start of November to potentially

624
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: make that playoff, Knowing that even if you're not, maybe

625
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: in that conversation, teams are going to have games against

626
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: other playoff hopefuls that are meaningful for those fan bases.

627
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: Maybe your team at that point is I don't know,

628
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: four and six, but you're playing a team that's potentially

629
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: looking to get into the playoff and you can play spoiler.

630
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: Do you think that the interest will stretch out deeper

631
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: into the season among people who listen to this show,

632
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: who watch the sport because the playoff now has that

633
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: wider pathway in and because it's certainly at least start

634
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: is a bit of a novelty given all the changes

635
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: we've seen.

636
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think interest this year, yes, Maybe next

637
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: year yes. Once again, the interesting thing about more teams

638
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: being in it late is fans of that number nineteen

639
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: team are still watching the games, right, They still have

640
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: an incredible reason to watch, whether or not there's a

641
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: twelve team playoff or not. Right, if your team is

642
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: eight and two in November or whatever, and you are,

643
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, the number fifteen team or the number nine

644
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: team or whatever in the country, you're still watching those

645
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: games because you're rooting for a good team, and you're

646
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: likely playing arrival. At the end of the year. You're

647
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: heading into the rivalry portion of the schedule, so you're

648
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: not that the interest in your team is not going

649
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: to change, whether you are thinking that you have a

650
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: chance to go to a fourteen playoff or a twelve

651
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: team playoff. I think that the people who lose interest

652
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: in the sport as the season goes on are the

653
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: ones when mel Tucker gets fired at one am and

654
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: fewer Michigan State people suddenly care about the season. Right

655
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: where there's some sort of dramatic change the starting quarterback

656
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, tears an acl and it's just a bunch

657
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: of freshmen and walk ons, and you just have this

658
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: sense that, like, yes, is not going to end well.

659
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: This season is going to be painful to watch, And

660
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: so I am watching less game day. I'm listening to

661
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: less of the solid verbal I am, you know, reading

662
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: fewer things on the athletic whatever that You're just general

663
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: consumption is going to change because you feel as if

664
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: all hope is lost late September or something. So I

665
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: think there will be more interest in games that perhaps

666
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of interest. That if you are

667
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: the number fourteen team and number twelve is playing and

668
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: losing late and you feel like you can you can

669
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: hop over something like that. Yeah, I think you'll be

670
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: more interested in games that perhaps in previous seasons you

671
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: weren't interested in. But I still think this is a

672
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: sport primarily defined by people rooting for their teams and

673
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: catching other games if timing works out, Like I think,

674
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: we overstate how many people are just like die hard

675
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: national college football fans that watch all day and care

676
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: about a ton of teams and care about a ton

677
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: of narratives. Well, because those are our people, right, These

678
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: are our people, right, And that's so and that's who

679
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I am, that's who I've been for a long time,

680
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of us out there. But in

681
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: terms of general population, the way people watch the sport

682
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: and care about the sport, Yeah, if you've got a

683
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: top twenty program that you root for, you're gonna keep watching.

684
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: And if you root for a program that is catastrophically bad,

685
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: you might stop watching in October and November, and that's okay,

686
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: Hope is lost and you pick us up again next summer.

687
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: And that's that's how I generally feel that, Like, while

688
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: more teams have Hope, I don't know if it appreciably

689
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: changes how many people truly care in November.

690
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 3: But yeah, and this is why we do the window

691
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: of opportunity during the season. Of course, because you're you know,

692
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: not everybody is us. We have a lot, a lot

693
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: of different levels of fandom that pass through these gates here. Yeah,

694
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: on a given year, and we're trying to speak to

695
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 3: all of those bases.

696
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm curious, though, I'm this is sort of my question du.

697
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: Jour for the for baller hood if you want to

698
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: write in or hit us up on socials or if

699
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: you're in our discord a for Ballers dot Com, I'm

700
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: curious to get your sense for whether or not the

701
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 3: interest level will be as high late in the season

702
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: or higher at the end of this season than it's

703
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: been in the past.

704
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: For you, I think season. Yeah, I know what you're

705
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: asking other people for therapy. Yeah, if you I'm here,

706
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: if you're root.

707
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: For a team like a Purdue or you know, and

708
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: not to throw Purdue, but Pitt like some teams that

709
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: probably will not be in the playoff conversation, but certainly

710
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: we'll have an opportunity to play big games down the stretch.

711
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if this, at least initially is something

712
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: of a rising tide that lifts all the boats.

713
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's going to be that novelty. Yeah.

714
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: I think people will listen to the show or whatever

715
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: your preferred podcast or TV show or whatever because you

716
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: want to hear about what the hosts have to say

717
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: about your team. If it's after a big win, if

718
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: it's after a big lone and you're able to stomach

719
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: that conversation about you know, your team blowing a game

720
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: later or something like that, there's you still get that

721
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: sense of listening to a conversation about your team. But

722
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: I think the drop off still comes from people who

723
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: a feel like their season is hopeless or B I

724
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: don't like Dan. Dan has gotten on my nerves. I

725
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: tried for six weeks for nine weeks to see if

726
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: he could turn it around. But I'm just not a

727
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: Dan guy. Tie seems handsome and witty, but I'm not

728
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: a Dan guy. So those are the people who drop off.

729
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: In my view, I love.

730
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: The people that get us mixed up. By the way, Yeah,

731
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: that's my favorite.

732
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't even need glasses. There's not even a prescription

733
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: in these bad boys. But because we're both handsome dudes

734
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: with dark hair, I feel like I had to differentiate, differentiate.

735
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's another topic that comes up often when I'm

736
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: talking with the folks out in the great Land.

737
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Across this great state. I'm talking to Salt Real college

738
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: football fan. That's right, Yeah, I get I get the kid.

739
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: It's not so much a question. It's more of a

740
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: rhetorical question or comment. What are we gonna do about

741
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: transfer portal?

742
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about it?

743
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: Out of control?

744
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: What do we yeah, out of control? What are we

745
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 3: gonna do about these players getting paid? Which, of course

746
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: is a loaded question. It's not even really a question.

747
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: And most of the time when I get that, you

748
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: kind of know right out of the shoot where the

749
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 3: person is coming from with that statement.

750
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: They're not in favor of it, right. I've really struggled

751
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: with that.

752
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm being honest here with everybody, I've really

753
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: struggled with explaining that in a way that isn't completely

754
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: off putting, right, And that doesn't mean I'm using like profanity,

755
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: but it does mean that I don't think there's a

756
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: good way to sugarcoat it. I think it is a

757
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: good thing for the players. I think the players are

758
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: are are long overdue to get their fair share. This

759
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: has been in the works for a while. It is

760
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: obviously accelerated has changed the game, maybe more so than

761
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: any of the structural stuff that you and I have

762
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: just described. Players being able to get money in tandem

763
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: with them being able to move about freely is truly

764
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: the biggest earthquake.

765
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: We've seen in this sport in a good long time.

766
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: So I truly believe that I think you and I

767
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: are like minded in that respect. We believe they are

768
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: certainly within their right to be paid and be compensated

769
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: and get some slice of the.

770
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Pie, which is both dipping into the nil question and

771
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: the portal question.

772
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: But yes, exactly so, I think we believe that. Where

773
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: I struggle though, is is there a way to kind

774
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: of bring this into balance. Is there a way to

775
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: bring this into balance where it's not just use Ohio

776
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: State as an example, where it's not just the teams

777
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: with the most money that are buying off the best

778
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: players and the rest of the sport is going to suffer. Like,

779
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: we get the question often about the super League? What

780
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: will it take? Or is it possible that we have

781
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: a super league of twenty of forty teams in college football?

782
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's ever going to happen. I'm

783
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: skeptical that it will. But for all intents and purposes,

784
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: if you've only got a handful of programs that have

785
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: all the money and start buying off the best players,

786
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: don't you kind of create that informally anyway?

787
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Sure?

788
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: I struggle with how to explain that to people as

789
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: both a good thing for the players as well as

790
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: a good thing for the sport long term. I've never

791
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: had a good answer to that question. Maybe you're different

792
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: than me. You're more eloquent with your speech and better

793
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: at explaining these complicated concepts. In my pee brain, I

794
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: cannot figure out a good way to explain that that

795
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: doesn't turn people away.

796
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I can help because I have this conversation

797
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: a lot like you do. And here's what I have

798
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: found when talking to some folks across this great state.

799
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Nobody likes this trands for portal. No, nobody likes the

800
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: transfer portal. Everybody in terms of college football fans, or

801
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: in terms of sports fans who tune in for big

802
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: games or who like watching their alma mater but don't

803
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: stay locked into the sports rhythms, the sine wave of

804
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: the sport. I took enough math to know what a

805
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: sign wave is. I didn't take a ton of math.

806
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: That's the extent of my sin wave knowledge. Continue went

807
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: to a state school, never took calculus, did okay an

808
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: ap stat some people call it stats. I think we

809
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: had this conversation many moons ago, but nobody likes transfer portal. Now,

810
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: when you say it's good for the players, the issue

811
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: I would take with that is, I think it's good

812
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: for some players.

813
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: It's good for some players.

814
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I figure, depending on who you are

815
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: as a player, that that is meaningful.

816
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot there's a lot of false promises out

817
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: there too in the transfer portal, and that's where being

818
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: smart and having smart associates and people around you, A

819
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: good supportive team around you can really pay some dividends,

820
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: because yeah, I mean, look, there's already plenty of examples

821
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: of guys going in the portal, maybe being promised riches

822
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: or maybe just playing time right, and it's been a

823
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: bit of a coin flip. Frankly, they don't all work out,

824
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: and at least in that aspect, Yeah, it's not good

825
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: for it and not good for every player.

826
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: Nobody likes the transfer portal, and that there's the asterisk

827
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: is basically like, yes, if you root for a team

828
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: that has a ton of money, that succeeds more than

829
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: fails in terms of building a roster through the portal

830
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: or addressing needs through the portal, I, as an Oregon fan,

831
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: have seen Oregon use the portal to great effect, great success. You,

832
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: as a Notre Dame fan similar Michigan didn't win a

833
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: national championship because of it, but they certainly plugged holes

834
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: and created depth with quality guys on the offensive line

835
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: on defense, like, they did a great job addressing needs

836
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: and building depth and ended up winning a national championship

837
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: at least partly because of it. But even Michigan fans

838
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: even Oregon fans, even Notre Dame fans, whoever Ole Miss

839
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: fans who have succeeded wildly Florida State fans, like they'll say, yeah,

840
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: it's great, we got these guys, But it doesn't seem

841
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: like a fun way to have a sport. And I

842
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: understand why when we say some players right that, Like

843
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: if you are suddenly an All conference player who is

844
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: making no money and has an opportunity to dramatically change

845
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: your bank account by going elsewhere because of what you've accomplished,

846
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: and you don't feel like your school has the means

847
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: or has the desire or whatever, they're happy to have

848
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: you below market rate whatever, Like, yeah, that's a great

849
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: thing for that specific player, but for the sport having

850
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: your having like these dramatic swings in quality four teams

851
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: and losing track of who's where, whether you're a regional

852
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: fan specific only to a team watching some national games

853
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: that like you and I were having a conversation about

854
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: what Big ten quarterbacks and we mentioned Gavin Wimsat at

855
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: Rutgers a couple weeks ago, and we both whiffed and

856
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: forgetting that Gavin Wimsatt is now going to be like

857
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: a backup at Kentucky, right, like okay, Like all we

858
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: do is pay attention to the sport every day, all

859
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: year long.

860
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: Dan, I watched that Rutgers spring game, Yeah, full way

861
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: through or at least whatever was available online. I watched

862
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: it start to finish everything I could find because we

863
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: did a show about it. Yeah, we talked about Gavin

864
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: wims at.

865
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: I'll be the first to admit I whiffed too. I

867
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: totally whiffed. I had no idea what to Kentucky. There's

868
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: too much that's changing. And to your point that you've

869
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: made for so long as well, like so much of

870
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: what you said over the years, I feel like has

871
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: come true to your credit. It's a hard sport to

872
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: get into. It's a hard sport to just sort of

873
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: happen upon and get into because so much is changing

874
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: every year, not the least of which is all the

875
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: structural bs that we've been discussing here, but players changing

876
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: teams so readily in the off season in some cases

877
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: where people like you and I don't even detect it.

878
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: That's really hard to keep track of and really hard

879
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 3: to be a fan of and develop any kind of loyalty.

880
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 3: You know, it becomes very transactional.

881
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: I find myself telling fans of teams about their new

882
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: transfers because they were unaware. I have had conversations with

883
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: a Wisconsin fan and they'll be like, man, they were

884
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: so shaky at quarterback, what do you think this year? Like,

885
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: are these guys going to get better? One? Not knowing

886
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: Tanner Mordecai is gone. Two not knowing TVD came in

887
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: from Miami, and so fans of their own team. And

888
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: these are very specific examples. I'm not saying Wisconsin fans

889
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: are not following Wisconsin football, but I'm just saying this

890
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: has happened for multiple Oh yeah, you know team people

891
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: that root for teams but don't pay attention between January

892
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: and August. Maybe they pick up a magazine, maybe they

893
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: listen to a podcast, maybe they come across something in

894
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: a newspaper, website, whatever, and then they learn that Miami's

895
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: quarterback transferred in and had a good stretch in twenty

896
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: twenty one or whatever. So that, to me is sort

897
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: of the difficulty with the portal is it makes it

898
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: more difficult to be a fan. You have to lock

899
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: in so much more often. And it's not a horrible

900
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: problem to have if you're a fan of whatever team

901
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: of Washington State or cal or something. But there's a

902
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: disconnect that I don't think existed. And college football is

903
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: to me driven so much by like my identity is

904
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: tied in with my history as a Notre Dame fan,

905
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: my history as a Florida fan or whatever. And if

906
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: players are coming and going, then it feels more than

907
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: ever like you're rooting for laundry, that you're just like, oh, now,

908
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: this Arkansas dude is the safety, and this South Carolina

909
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: State guy is playing right tackle, and like so it

910
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: feels as if your team is more of a vehicle

911
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: than a place. And that's a bummer too. I think

912
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people, Again, my experience may not be

913
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: your experience, and I'm speaking to listeners right now that like, no,

914
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: that's not my experience at all. That's not the experience

915
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: of me and my friends. And for that, yeah, that's

916
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: totally possible. But in my experience, the transfer port has

917
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: an approval rating of about three percent. Like Nate Silver

918
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: is very worried about transfer portals polling right now.

919
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: It's got the lowest Q rating in the world, right and.

920
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: Maybe that's because college football is inherently pretty anti player,

921
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: right because we're just we root for institutions, like that's

922
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: what we do in the sport. We're not you know,

923
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: fans of like the nineteen ninety eight team specifically because

924
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: we love the defensive line. We're fan of Nebraska. This

925
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: isn't the NBA where you root for personality, you see faces,

926
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: you see on your team for nine years or whatever.

927
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: So it's a sport that's at its core you're rooting

928
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: for institutions, and I think this just emphasizes that more.

929
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: And that's set because I think the idea of rooting

930
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: for players and you know, following along with the player's

931
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: journey from like a special teamer to a rotation guy

932
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: to a starter for a couple of years like that

933
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: helped form a lot of people. So I hold conflicting

934
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: views that like me too, I am for the ability

935
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: for players to find a better fit for themselves both

936
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: competitively and financially. But like, overwhelmingly I have to listen

937
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: to people who like the sport who say this makes

938
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: it less fun and so yeah, I don't know what

939
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: the long term solution is going to be beyond like

940
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: getting things down on paper, right, getting you know, contracts

941
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: and employment, everything like that sort of normalize or optimize

942
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: whatever the word is, the idea of we like players

943
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: who stick around, that we get to know and that's

944
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: sort of the trade off for the money.

945
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up.

946
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: There is one tentacle of this that I do believe

947
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: can be reasonably solved. Okay, and it is not nass

948
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: player movement. But maybe the only thing that has a

949
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: lower Q rating than the transfer portal is bull opt outs. Sure,

950
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: people hate bull opt outs. They hate it even though

951
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: the Bowl game or exhibition games, there is a sense

952
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: that it's even more of a meaningless exhibition game than

953
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 3: before because so many of the players are not playing

954
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, people have real resentment towards that right

955
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: now as a thing that players can do. I think

956
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: the irony is that in order for that to be solved,

957
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: we almost have to go further down the path of

958
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: player compensation, further down the path of as you said,

959
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: putting it down on paper, further down the path of

960
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: there being even more money available to players. What I

961
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: think happens in due time and why I think they

962
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: can and will solve this at some point in the future.

963
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this year or next year, but it's.

964
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is going to be solved.

965
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: By the way. I'm very optimistic. I don't know what

966
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: it means for TV ratings, but continue I'm optimistic that

967
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: a lot of what Ale's college football in terms of

968
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: perception can be solved.

969
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: I think the bull opt outs thing can be because

970
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: if we come to a point in time and it

971
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: seems like we're gonna where players get a slice of

972
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: that TV revenue, slice of that pie, where some of

973
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 3: the nil infrastructure is not being governed by a third

974
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: party but instead by athletic departments and institutions themselves. Yeah,

975
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: as some qualifier, as some part of signing on with

976
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: a program, there will have to be contracts. If there

977
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: is money involved. They're already sort of is a contract.

978
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: That's what a letter of intent is. But this is

979
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: different to a new level if we're talking about actual finances.

980
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: And there's no specific standard across the sport exactly.

981
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but as part of those agreements, which I'm sure

982
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 3: will be vetted by very smart lawyers. Neither you nor

983
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: I are lawyers here. We have no idea what we're

984
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: talking about but if there's money involved, clearly there will

985
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: be lawyers involved that are overseeing the process so that

986
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: everything hopefully is done on the up and up. And

987
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: I got to believe that as part of those agreements

988
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: there will be language in there that keeps guys playing

989
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: in bowl games that some portion of their revenue will

990
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: be contingent on bold participation.

991
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: And look, playoff means that there is just going to

992
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: be more competitive reasons to keep playing because you feel

993
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: as if you want to win a national championship or

994
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: you want to play on that stage. Even if you

995
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: think you're like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm going to

996
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: be a first or second round pick by me performing

997
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: in a huge way at Penn State, at Miami, at Texas, whatever,

998
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: with more eyeballs than ever watching that, like, I have

999
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: an opportunity to either cement that or make a leap

1000
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: in people's eyes because of the level of competition I

1001
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 2: can show out against.

1002
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: I believe that the ball app that's thing is solvable.

1003
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's solvable yet. I think we'll

1004
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: still see a fair share of that. I also think

1005
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: it's a matter of time, only a matter of time

1006
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: until we have a thread of a playoff opt out.

1007
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: Everything that can happen will happen.

1008
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: It will happen, It will happen. These things will happen,

1009
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: and I think I think so aspect of the opt

1010
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: outs can be resolved in due time.

1011
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I'm optimistic on that.

1012
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: I think there will be more at play, though I

1013
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: don't know that we're going to see a lot of

1014
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: opt outs in a twelve or fourteen team playoff that

1015
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: are just like I want to preserve myself physically. I

1016
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: think it'll be more. I am already pretty injured and

1017
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem worth it to jeopardize what I might

1018
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: have in the future. Or I hate being in this

1019
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: locker room playing for these coaches. I've grown to just

1020
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: hate my existence in whatever college town, in whatever culture,

1021
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: locker room whatever, Like I'm I just see no reason

1022
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: to continue longer than I need to for my future,

1023
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: for my happiness or whatever. That'll happen, and maybe we

1024
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 2: won't get the whole story, and that person will become

1025
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 2: a villain because we don't know the whole story. But yes,

1026
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: anything that can happen will happen.

1027
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: One other thing for me, and then if you've got

1028
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: any other points that you want to bring up, you

1029
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: can go for it. One other common question that I've

1030
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 3: gotten on more than one occasion, the whole Nick Saban

1031
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: retirement thing.

1032
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: I think could have a really interesting effect on this season.

1033
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: Are you going to do the Saddam vacuum thing?

1034
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: A little bit? Okay, a little bit.

1035
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: Sabin retiring really does leave a pretty big vacuum in

1036
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: the sport, and they replaced him with Kalin de Borr,

1037
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: who was already one of the best coaches in college football,

1038
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: albeit he hasn't been a head coach for all that

1039
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: long at the Power five level, but obviously has proven

1040
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: that he knows what he's doing.

1041
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't think if.

1042
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: You're out there rooting for Alabama to take a major

1043
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: step back, you're going to be wait a while.

1044
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be fine.

1045
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: But it does create something of avoid not having Saban

1046
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: in college football. And the thought that was expressed to

1047
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: me was that college football is more enjoyable now without Saban,

1048
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: which I don't know if I fully agree with, but

1049
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: I do understand where people are coming from when they

1050
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: bring that up, because much like we've seen in other

1051
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 3: sports with dynasties.

1052
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: After a while.

1053
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: Sure you appreciate the greatness, but also you're sort of

1054
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: ready for that novelty. You're ready to fall back in

1055
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: love with the sport and have somebody else step up

1056
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: and claim that mantle. And with Saban retiring, we've talked

1057
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: about it all off season. What kind of effect is

1058
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 3: that going to have on the SEC? What kind of

1059
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: effect is that going to have on college football as

1060
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: a whole? And I hadn't really considered what kind of

1061
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: effect that might have on college football fandom. I feel

1062
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: like so much has changed over the last six months,

1063
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 3: even that Saban leaving at this point is almost an afterthought.

1064
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: It won't be once the season gets here. Every announcer

1065
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: and everybody writing about college football are doing what we

1066
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: do is going to talk about it. Because we have

1067
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: to next month and we do previews, We're going to

1068
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: have to talk about Saban, what the new version of

1069
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: BAMA and the Southeastern Conference looks like without him.

1070
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: That's just the reality that we live in.

1071
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the effect that it might have on fandom,

1072
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: more people out there being interested in SEC and in

1073
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: college football as a whole, because the biggest titan of

1074
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: the sport, the best coach in the history of the

1075
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 3: sport is no longer there.

1076
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: That was a Zaga did not expect Dan.

1077
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, at least in the short term, people

1078
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: are not really going to know what to expect. If

1079
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: you're a fan of somebody else, but like number seven

1080
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Alabama's playing number nine Georgia or something that, like, it

1081
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 2: doesn't become as much of an obvious TV show without

1082
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: Nick Saban, whether you like rooting for him or you're

1083
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: just curious to see what this year is. You know

1084
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: that Alabama is going to have some sort of dynastic

1085
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: squad in some way, because that's all they've produced pretty

1086
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: much through the last you know, fifteen years, and there were.

1087
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: A lot of those Bama games had a high ratings,

1088
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: and part of the reason why they had the ratings

1089
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of people who would hate watch. Yeah,

1090
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: what's it going to mean this year? If you're not

1091
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: hate watching Alabama? You know, that's kind of the sentiment

1092
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: that I think I'm trying to get to, or that's

1093
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: at least been expressed to me. Honestly, I had not

1094
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: considered that aspect of it. I considered everything else just

1095
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 3: not that.

1096
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, and the sort of the meaning of beating Alabama changes.

1097
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: It does, right, It's like the meaning of beating Kaylen

1098
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: to Bor Alabama, even if he goes ten and two

1099
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: every season for the entirety of his regular season career

1100
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: at Alabama, beating Kaylen to Bor Alabama is never going

1101
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: to be beating Nick Saban Alabama. And just in terms

1102
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: of setting an sec or a national narrative, it's a

1103
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: little bit of David Lee Roth Sammy Hagar, like you

1104
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: saw van Halen, but which van Halen? Yeah, right, that's

1105
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: a reference for the old people, for the old That's right.

1106
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: There's just you have to be more specific about what

1107
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: you know. You beat Jim Harbaugh Michigan or you beat

1108
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: sure on More Michigan. Charmore might be incredible, but it's

1109
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: there was a certain amount of hate or appreciation or

1110
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: even just knowledge and recognition of Jim Harbaugh at Michigan,

1111
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: and just as a football coach where you're just like, oh,

1112
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: I know what I'm going to get on the sideline

1113
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: for as long as this person is coaching there, and yeah,

1114
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: everything changes. And when I say, like I'm optimistic that

1115
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: the issues that's your transfer portal has the issues, that

1116
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: Nil has the issues that an expanded playoff the issues

1117
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: that realignment has. This is not a sport that makes

1118
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: a decision and sticks with it for thirty years. It

1119
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: has never been that. And so I don't know what

1120
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: like a comparison an apt analogy would be, but you

1121
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: know it's some of its dating. Right. You date somebody

1122
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: for a couple months, You're like, I don't know if

1123
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: I want to be with somebody long term who is six'

1124
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: six or that loud or this religion or this messy

1125
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: or drinks this much or drinks this little, Whatever and

1126
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: you just sort of find what works for, you and

1127
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: you're always. Tinkering and that's what the sport. Is that's

1128
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: what if people keep getting turned off and there we

1129
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: keep having these tangible effects that Like Chip kelly goes

1130
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: from being the head coach at a major place to

1131
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: an offensive, coordinator And Jeff hafley And Caine, walming all

1132
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: these different experiences that these guys are having in reaction

1133
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: to the reality of where the sport. Is the sport will.

1134
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: ADJUST i think the sport is going to recognize that

1135
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: perhaps AND i use this like the, sport BUT i

1136
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: think conferences and commissioners are going to come to the

1137
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: realization that certain things that they've done have turned off

1138
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: too many. People and it's not that they're going to

1139
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: move backwards and we're going to go to THE bcs

1140
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: or something like, that BUT i think there will be

1141
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: incremental changes over the next few years in response to

1142
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: negativity surrounding the. Sport so whether that is reregionalizing the

1143
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: way teams are grouped together or the, way, LIKE i

1144
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: don't know how backwards the playoff could, go BUT i

1145
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: think we could see, it you, know hop back from

1146
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: fourteen to twelve or to eight or something like that

1147
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: if you keep seeing lesser and LESSER tv ratings against

1148
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: THE nfl in Late, December, like there are tangible ways

1149
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: to measure the success of the, sport AND i think

1150
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: the people that run the sport aren't, dumb and they're

1151
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: not going to expand and they're not going to try

1152
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 2: and grow the bottom line at the expense of long

1153
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: term thinking forever and so whatever however you want to compare,

1154
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: IT i do believe that people running the sport at

1155
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: some point are going to recognize that running certain aspects

1156
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: into the ground are going to kill. It and So

1157
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: i'm optimistic that people are not that.

1158
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: Stupid, well you can only expand so much, further that's,

1159
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: true and there are a limited amount of yeah out.

1160
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 3: There this is not an infinite sum of. Money at

1161
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: some point you reach kind of a terminal velocity with all,

1162
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: this AND i don't know when that point.

1163
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: ARRIVES i don't.

1164
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: Know with these conversations that we've had about private equity

1165
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: and these other sources of revenue that programs are apparently,

1166
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: investigating seems like they're all investigating it on some. LEVEL

1167
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: i don't know what that does to that, equation but

1168
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: certainly this is not something that can expand. Forever right,

1169
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: now they're trying to make this as as strong of

1170
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: a business case as they can with as much money

1171
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: available to all, parties and that's. Fine at some, point,

1172
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: THOUGH i think there will be more of a strategic

1173
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: conversation about where is this.

1174
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: Headed and, unfortunately the most obvious place of like unbundling, is, hey,

1175
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: guys we're gonna have twenty Eight big ten teams in

1176
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: twenty EIGHT sec teams and it's to be THE nfc AND,

1177
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: afc and we're going to go from. There that's probably

1178
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: the great bundling and unbundling at the same. Time but

1179
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: ALSO i think there is going to be a. RECKONING

1180
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: i really do think there's going to be reckoning with

1181
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: the direction of the, sport and there is going to

1182
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: be despite one hundred and fifty years of. Evidence cut

1183
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: to the, contrary there is going to be some sort

1184
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: of leadership at the top that doesn't exist right, now

1185
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: that is going to get a boardroom of some kind

1186
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: together with all of the, conferences and they're going to

1187
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: come to conclusions that will benefit the health of the.

1188
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: SPORT i.

1189
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: THINK i think it a little bit Like lord of The,

1190
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: rings the first the First sword of The, rings where

1191
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: they gather around and figure out what they're going to do. Next,

1192
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: yeah in some cases warring factions trying to get on

1193
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 3: the same. SIDE i, mean it may take something like

1194
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: that to person of the long term health of the.

1195
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: Sport it's kind of hard to foresee that right. NOW

1196
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 3: i don't think that leadership. Exists but at some, point

1197
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: if the money dries up at least a little, bit

1198
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: or if at least the availability of, money let's say,

1199
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 3: yeah more accurately is what dries, up at some point

1200
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: they'll have to think longer term about.

1201
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: It is there an? Event is there a specific event

1202
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: that you think would cause dramatic, change or, like is

1203
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: there an Optic is there is there something in your

1204
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: mind that you're, Like, wow college football has gotten to

1205
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: this point and it's so bad that they're all going

1206
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: to huddle up in some sort of highatt place In

1207
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: texas and figure out where it went wrong and how

1208
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: to get back on the right. Track is there like

1209
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: that SPECIFIC i THINK i.

1210
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: Think a very very small example of that occurring right

1211
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: now is what's happening At colorado with the n and

1212
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: the over reliance of the transfer. Portal you, know can

1213
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: you imagine if that?

1214
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 3: Works can you imagine if we're five years down the,

1215
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: Line dion builds a roster every year out of the transfer,

1216
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: portal steals everybody's best.

1217
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: Players he hasn't started doing that.

1218
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: Yet he hasn't started doing.

1219
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: Yet But i'm, saying if we're doing this thought, EXPERIMENT

1220
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: i think it will take something like, that something radical like,

1221
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: that that will force everybody to get in a room

1222
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: and think about is this what we? Want some people

1223
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: will come at it from the perspective of we feel

1224
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: it's a competitive unbalanced that we need to try and.

1225
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 3: Rectify others will come at it from the standpoint, of,

1226
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 3: hey we want to try this, Too BUT i think

1227
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 3: it'll take something radical like, That like if there, is let's,

1228
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: say an injection of private equity into a school like

1229
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: A Florida state and suddenly they can go out and

1230
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: pay all their players ten million, dollars which won't. HAPPEN

1231
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: i know this is an, exaggeration but instances like THAT

1232
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 3: i think would be the kind of thing that force

1233
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 3: people to sit down in a room and, like hold,

1234
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: up let's see where we see where we really want

1235
01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 3: to take, this and is this fair?

1236
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: Everybody, YEAH i think it's going to be programs shutting,

1237
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: down program shutting. FINANCIALLY i, mean you remember DURING covid

1238
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: when there were announcements across the college sports land landscape

1239
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: that this school has just canceled for sports sports for

1240
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: the foreseeable future or forever. WHATEVER i think you know

1241
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: that Like call and Wake forest have just decided they can't,

1242
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: compete and instead of throwing money at the problem that

1243
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: doesn't do, anything they're shutting football. Down or you know

1244
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: some school that has had a ton of success but

1245
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: not lately they're just, like we're. Done we're gonna you,

1246
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: know destroy the stadium and you know build.

1247
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 3: It it has to be the caveat Is it has

1248
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: to be a program that a lot of people care. About,

1249
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i mean no disrespect To vanderbilt To rutgers

1250
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: WHEN i say. This they are very frequently the punching

1251
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: bags for this. Conversation, yeah but you, know as well

1252
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: AS i we hear about it all the. Time we

1253
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 3: won't talk about it as much on this. Episode maybe another.

1254
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 3: One one other thing we get a lot of is,

1255
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 3: hey one of the going to Kick rutgers? Out when

1256
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: are they going to Kick vanderbilt out of THE sec

1257
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: with all the money on the, line couldn't they give

1258
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: that spot to a better Team if it's a program

1259
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: at some point that a lot of people care, about

1260
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: or that is very prominent in the national. Conversation if

1261
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: they're unable to remain solvent because of this new world,

1262
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: order that would turn some.

1263
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: Heads, yeah they.

1264
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: Don't want to take private equity, money and it just

1265
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: it goes south and the stands are, Empty like what

1266
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: if the stands are empty at playoff? GAMES i, mean

1267
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: we're already gonna have playoff games with school not in.

1268
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: Session and at a number of places that doesn't, matter

1269
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: but you do lose, something. RIGHT i think finals are

1270
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: in generally early to Mid. December when the playoff, starts

1271
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: like around the nineteenth or twentieth most, seasons it looks like,

1272
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: like so you're gonna have limited students at games if

1273
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: the weather's terrible somewhere and you, know ten thousand people

1274
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: don't show, up and you get people posting pictures of

1275
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: like semi empty playoff, games national championships that people don't

1276
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: want to go to. WHATEVER i think that could be

1277
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: a sort of. Impetustion there's a lot of travel that meeting,

1278
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of, travel a lot of travel.

1279
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: Involved if you're a fan of a, team you have

1280
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: to decide if you want to in many cases spend

1281
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 3: the money to go to a first round matchup on,

1282
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: campus if you want to sell out and try to

1283
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: go to one of the quarters semifinals Like wednesday night

1284
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: on A wednesday night held at like The chick Fil

1285
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 3: A Peach bowl or, something or if you want to

1286
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: try and delay it even further and try to go

1287
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 3: to a national championship or something like. THAT i, mean

1288
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: it's a decision for a lot of people trying to

1289
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: figure out what makes the most.

1290
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: Sense, YEAH i think ultimately the thing that's funding the

1291
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 2: sport right, NOW tv is going to be the biggest

1292
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: barometer that if they're just absolutely shelled ratings, wise and

1293
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: there's just the conversation shifts away from college football in Late,

1294
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: december Early. January you, know you've GOT, NFL, nba all

1295
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: sorts of stuff happening at this, time and the just

1296
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: the conversation around the sport and viewership across the sport

1297
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: is just LIKE i, MEAN i think The Oregon Ohio

1298
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: state game had something like eighteen point one was the

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Speaker 2: rating or something like, that AND Tcu georgia was in

1300
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: like the eights or nine something like. That like if

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: you get that sort of low number, constantly AND i

1302
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: know they're adding volume to try to make it up

1303
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: in impressions and everything for, advertisers but, like it's not

1304
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 2: going to be a sensible solution if people aren't, watching.

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01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: WELL i think it's. NOT i Think round one on

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: campus will get a ton of. Action, YEAH i think

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01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: that will over the long haul be the round that

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01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 3: gets the most interest from the, public not just because

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 3: there are more games and more. Teams BUT i think

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Speaker 3: the lore of having those games on campus is something

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: that is, very very integral to the. Sport it's meaningful

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01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: to those of us who have rooted for the sport

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: for a long time having those games on. CAMPUS i

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 3: think we'll see that reflected in the. Numbers but the

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: deeper you go into this, thing, Yeah i'm curious.

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01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: Too do you Think i'm being too pressure in saying,

1317
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: that like college football will find a way too or? Romantic?

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01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: Yes, REALLY i don't trust these, Guys.

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01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 3: Dan, yeah they've not really given. Us they've not really

1320
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: given us a great reason to trust that they're going

1321
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: to do what's best for the sport in the long. Term,

1322
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: yeah and at least if the current trend, holds it's

1323
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 3: the pursuit of the dollar as opposed to the betterment

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: of the.

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01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: Game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah AND i am not a pessimistic person with respect

1327
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: to college. Football i'm gonna watch. Regardless i'm going to

1328
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 3: find the fun stuff to talk about on this. Show

1329
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 3: it's just what we. Do we're not going to take

1330
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 3: a doom and gloom. Approach we're not going to take

1331
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: AND i told you so approach to any of. This

1332
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 3: where we're right where we're. Wrong more often than, not

1333
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: we'll be. Wrong we're just. Not that's just not who we.

1334
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: Are but until they give me a reason to believe

1335
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: that they are trustworthy and they are not just going

1336
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: out after the almighty, DOLLAR i have no reason to think.

1337
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: Otherwise, yeah it's so you're you're more doomer with this

1338
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: THAN i. Am weirdly, ENOUGH i.

1339
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 3: AM i am more doomer with respect to the powers

1340
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: that be because there's never been a centralized governing body

1341
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 3: here to kind of keep this thing on the. Rails

1342
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of folks, operating folks, folks, folks folks, operates,

1343
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 3: folks folks operations in their own best, interests and until

1344
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: there is some sort of event or some reason for

1345
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: them to work a little bit more together and not

1346
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: try to get as rich as. Possible i'm not as

1347
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 3: optimistic that all of these things will be. SOLVED i

1348
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: think some of it will kind of come out in the.

1349
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 3: WASH i think some of it will be solved the

1350
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: deeper we get into this new structure with money and

1351
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 3: contracts and expanded, playoff and, like some of it will

1352
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 3: kind of work itself.

1353
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: Out but.

1354
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 3: If we're talking about ultimately trying to make the sport

1355
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 3: as fun as it can, be as equitable as it can,

1356
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: be as sustainable as. POSSIBLE i have not seen much

1357
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: evidence that anybody's interested in that right.

1358
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: Now, well you, know an interesting canary is For canary

1359
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 2: and the coal mine type situation is what Do Washington

1360
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: state And Oregon state games look like in terms of

1361
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: the people, There what do the crowds look, like what

1362
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: do THE tv ratings look? Like what do the conversations look?

1363
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: Like and not just early, on but later on in the,

1364
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: season especially if one of those teams is like an

1365
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 2: eight and four ish type. Team do we see catastrophic?

1366
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: Downturns do we see surprising like rallying behind these teams

1367
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: who definitely feel like they've been wronged by the sport

1368
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: and by the other teams in their. Region like, that to,

1369
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: me will go a long way as for explaining the

1370
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: true love people either do or don't have for their,

1371
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: teams regardless of the state of the.

1372
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: Sport, so, Look, dan.

1373
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 3: We do shows like this from time to time where

1374
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: we're not playing a, game where it's just stuff that's

1375
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: on our mind and we feel the need to talk

1376
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: it out and have a, conversation if you have made

1377
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 3: it this full way, through if you found this conversation

1378
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: valuable and, meaningful and we least.

1379
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: Following sentence At Tony barnhardt's, no.

1380
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 3: Yeah we're not doing a secret verbal, here not a secret.

1381
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: Verbal, okay no secret. Verbal we'll save that for the.

1382
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: Season if any of this has been thought provoking for,

1383
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: you hit follow or subscribe on the. Podcast hang with

1384
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 3: us all season. Long things will start to roll a

1385
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 3: little bit more downhill the closer we get to.

1386
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Everything but for the.

1387
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: Time, being, anyway these are the types of conversations That

1388
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 3: dan AND i have been having with people who.

1389
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: Just, oh you talk about college football for a? Leving

1390
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 1: what about? This what about?

1391
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: That there have been some common themes we obviously would

1392
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: love to hear from you as. Well so whether you

1393
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: email in soliverbal at gmail dot, com whether you hit

1394
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 3: us up on social, media comment on YouTube, videos wherever

1395
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: wherever you can, post we would welcome your feedback on

1396
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 3: any of the stuff we described here. Today let us

1397
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 3: know where we're, right where we're, wrong and maybe stuff

1398
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: we should talk about next time, around because there will

1399
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: be a next time.

1400
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: Around this is just a state of being right.

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: Now whether or not you feel Like boone pickin stadium

1402
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: will be turned into like A spirit Of halloween.

1403
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Store that's, right or it's, Right, yeah that's, right all right.

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Speaker 1: To you all On thursday and the anytimes they say

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Speaker 1: peace

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