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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian. You know what, you realize it or not.

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Speaker 1: You are immersed in a culture of cars. You are

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Speaker 1: you are living, breathing, eating, walking, talking in this moment

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Speaker 1: of what it means to be either driving a car,

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Speaker 1: owning a car, repairing the car associated with cars. Oh,

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Speaker 1: who was a car? Was a car? The car Doctor?

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Speaker 2: I have it out of the out of the character

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Speaker 2: now yet, and so I can apply a crusher or

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Speaker 2: vacuum into it the desert bomb.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got to say then that the sensor's

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Speaker 1: working correctly.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aanian, the

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Speaker 3: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car

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Speaker 3: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on

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Speaker 3: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal,

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Speaker 3: pick up the phone and call in.

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Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 1: take the calls at eight five five five, ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: Hundred and.

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Speaker 3: Running.

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Speaker 1: How many guys does it take to get the axle

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Speaker 1: out of a car? Well, sometimes you wonder. We had

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Speaker 1: a two thousand and ten Lincoln this week, and it

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Speaker 1: was a short week obviously, with the fourth of July

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Speaker 1: and you know, but it wasn't without its drama and trauma.

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Speaker 1: You know, you always gee, you hope for a short

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Speaker 1: week like this. It's you're only working three days and

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna get you know, you're going to kind

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Speaker 1: of ride off into the weekend, an early weekend, you know,

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Speaker 1: in peace and quiet. And then this two thousand and ten,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a twenty ten Lincoln MKZ shows

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Speaker 1: up on your rack and you've got to put an

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Speaker 1: axle in it. Well, how hard could it be. It's

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Speaker 1: only fourteen years old, it's only got one hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand miles on it. Now, the way manufacturers install

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Speaker 1: axles in the majority vehicles then and now is there's

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Speaker 1: a little snappering on the bottom. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about that snappering. That snappering. You know, for

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Speaker 1: the love of if you wanted to get it to fail,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't. But when it feels like it it will.

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Speaker 1: It's it just doesn't want to cooperate. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: like your relatives at the holidays. It just doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to get along no matter what happens. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we tried everything. This snap ring that held this axle

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Speaker 1: into the output shift of the transmission. You know, you can,

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Speaker 1: you can turn it around. It's a it's we call

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Speaker 1: it a snap ring, but it's really a wire ring

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Speaker 1: that's open on one end. It's spread and slipped into

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Speaker 1: the groove of the axle and it just kind of

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Speaker 1: sits there and it compresses as it goes in, and

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Speaker 1: then it's supposed to pop out into a groove on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the output shift to kind of

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Speaker 1: hold it in place. It locks it in place. Well,

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Speaker 1: getting it to break free is a challenge. It has

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Speaker 1: its moments. Now, the bigger problem is that you're pushing

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Speaker 1: against the transmission case, the aluminum case, and they make tools.

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Speaker 1: They'll make a there's a there's a claw or a

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Speaker 1: a craw, a crow's foot, there's there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: different cockamami shaped pry bars, and they all, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're all the tool until they're not. And the issue

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Speaker 1: with this was this was a blind axle. I always

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Speaker 1: refer to it as there's no real good place to

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Speaker 1: pry you. You'd have to push really hard on the

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Speaker 1: trans case. And you always wonder how thick and how

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Speaker 1: strong that aluminum transmission cases. You know, you never want

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Speaker 1: to hear a crack or a snap, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be my trans guy. You know, as Todd

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Speaker 1: One said to me, he said, you know, he says,

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Speaker 1: usually don't worry about it because I'm pulling the trans anyway,

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Speaker 1: and if I had to put a case in it,

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Speaker 1: I put a case in it. Well, I'm not putting

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Speaker 1: a case in it because I'm not taking the trans out.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to do the axle. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: we wiggled and jiggled, and we spun it around. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you spin the axle around in ninety degree increments, you're

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Speaker 1: kind of hoping you'll you'll catch the opening of the

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Speaker 1: to cooperate. Nothing worked. Well, we weren't reusing the axle.

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Speaker 1: We were replacing it because it was bad. The you know, funny,

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Speaker 1: funny enough, the outer end of the axle, the stubshaft itself,

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Speaker 1: was actually frozen into the hubb and knuckle assembly and

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Speaker 1: we had to put a hubb and knuckle assembly on it.

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Speaker 1: And you know that became Okay, this is where we're going.

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Speaker 1: But we had to get the axle out. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: end of the story. So it took three guys to

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Speaker 1: answer the question, how many guys does it take to

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Speaker 1: find You got to find two guys. It was Danny

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Speaker 1: and someone else, and they held pride bars gently underneath

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Speaker 1: the lip where the the axle bottoms into the trans case.

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Speaker 1: And we had one guy on one side with a

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Speaker 1: came along with the air chisel. And that's a dangerous

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Speaker 1: word when you're talking about aluminum transmission cases, let me

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Speaker 1: tell you. And Ron came along with the air chisel

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Speaker 1: and a modified chisel that I have that kind of

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Speaker 1: it's sort of got a little whooped de do bend

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Speaker 1: And I caught the bottom of the axle and at

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Speaker 1: the right moment everybody gave. You know, it was like

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Speaker 1: that scene in Lethal Weapon, right one two three, go

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Speaker 1: are we going on three? Or are we?

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Speaker 1: Is it one two three? You know, we played that

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Speaker 1: on three everybody kind of tightened up on their pride

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Speaker 1: out it popped, and what a sigh relief. And the

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Speaker 1: problem was that it is a blind output shaft hole.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's on a lot of transmissions where the

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Speaker 1: where the axle goes into the transmission on a front

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Speaker 1: wheel drive vehicle, it is a wet hole. It's it's

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Speaker 1: lubricated in the back by some sort of fluid, transfluid,

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Speaker 1: differential fluid, gear fluid something, all right, so it's wet

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Speaker 1: in this case, on this ten Lincoln MKZ, it's a

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Speaker 1: blind hole. It's dry. So it was actually physically rust.

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Speaker 1: There was rust powder. It was rusted into the case.

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Speaker 1: Then the problem became, you know, we need a knuckle now,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty ten Lincoln mkz's were made a while ago.

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Speaker 1: But let me take you in the shop courtesy of AutoZone,

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Speaker 1: and tell you how I found this. So I went

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Speaker 1: very complete and very thorough. They've got a lot of everything.

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Speaker 1: And I found out that they actually carry a product line,

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Speaker 1: that is, they're remanufacturing that knuckle and bearing. And I

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Speaker 1: was able to order the knuckle, the bearing and the

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Speaker 1: dural ass replacement drive axle, which I was going to

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Speaker 1: get anyway because we liked the dural asted axles. And

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Speaker 1: it solved the problem once I got the axle out,

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Speaker 1: once I found the third guy, once we caught it

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Speaker 1: at the right angle, you know. But it was nice

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Speaker 1: that AutoZone helped take the pressure off by having the

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Speaker 1: parts we needed, and we thanked them for that. That's

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Speaker 1: my in the shop story for this moment. And the

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Speaker 1: car went down the road and then then of course

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Speaker 1: the other side we had to do the other side,

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Speaker 1: and the other side just I don't understand, right, one

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Speaker 1: its own, you know, and and lo and behold, Uh

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Speaker 1: that ended up. That's that that ended up what was happening.

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Speaker 1: So we uh, we were able to fix it and

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Speaker 1: solve it and get it down the road. But it

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Speaker 1: is it is nerve racking. I will tell you this.

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Speaker 1: It is nerve racking. It's you're trying not to break something,

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Speaker 1: to repair something. And I think maybe that's the gist

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Speaker 1: of this story is you know, somebody could say to me, hey, Ron,

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Speaker 1: give me an estimate to replace an axel on something,

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Speaker 1: or give me an estimate for anything. You don't know.

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Speaker 1: You just don't know. You don't know when something is

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Speaker 1: going to fight you, and it's a bit more time.

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Speaker 1: But it's also you know what could go wrong if

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Speaker 1: something had gone wrong, if that trans case had cracked,

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Speaker 1: if we had suffered a cataclysmic failure of another part,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, whatever estimate we gave you goes

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Speaker 1: out the window. So you know, somewhere along the way,

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Speaker 1: I wish there was a rule that you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to work on anybody's car until you've done work for

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Speaker 1: them prior, so you know whether they're a raving lunatic

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Speaker 1: say hey, by the way, you need two thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: more worth of this because this was frozen and rusted

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Speaker 1: in the case. I often push for that. I think

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Speaker 1: about that a lot. I thought about that this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about this letter. I've got a

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Speaker 1: letter in front of me from John and Connecticut. Poor guy.

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Speaker 1: He's having problems with his Subaru, and I called him

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Speaker 1: trials and tribulations. You know, I think I think mechanics

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Speaker 1: have a responsibility to people, and I think people have

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Speaker 1: a responsibility to mechanics. You know, in a perfect world,

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Speaker 1: if you're not nice, we're not working for you. And

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Speaker 1: if we're not nice, you don't have to have work

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Speaker 1: done by us. I think it goes both ways. So

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Speaker 1: but you know, maybe that's the way business is, and

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Speaker 1: that is the way business is. Anyway. Let me pull over,

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Speaker 1: take a pause. Eight five five five six zero nine

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Speaker 1: nine zero zero again eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero runnin aning of the car doctor

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Speaker 1: and I'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 5: Don't go away when you get keep Ron's number handy

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Speaker 5: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero

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Speaker 5: for when you really need advice on your car.

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Speaker 2: Here's Rob.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's wander down Arkansas A way and let's go

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Speaker 1: talk to Stu. Stu, welcome to the car doctor, Sir.

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Speaker 1: How can I help?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, So, I have a two thousand and nine

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Speaker 2: poured Crown Vic police interceptor had break light and ABS

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Speaker 4: Tried to swap it out with a.

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Speaker 2: Known good ABS pump module, didn't work. Took a to dealer.

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Speaker 2: They were going to program it and they said they

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Speaker 2: that one didn't work, went through a couple other ones

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Speaker 2: from known good vehicles, and they finally came back. The

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Speaker 2: dealer said, oh, it's vinlocked. Have to only have a

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Speaker 2: new one at eight hundred plus about another four hundred

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Speaker 2: labor and tax. So I'm into the whole thing for

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Speaker 2: about fourteen hundred. But what I don't understand is LKQ

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Speaker 2: where I'm getting always from out of known good cars.

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Speaker 2: Had no record of any issues then and this was

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Speaker 2: last year, and now of vinlock on a two thousand

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about the twenty ten first, if we can. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Which computer what I recall that is correct?

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's something I'm not doubting you still. I'm not

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Speaker 2: My mechanic and the company that does the refurbishing they

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, And everybody was declining to work on eight

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Speaker 1: Right right, And see this is the problem. GM started this.

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Speaker 1: Just so you're aware, General Motors started this. And there's

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Speaker 2: No, No, the job, the job's done, and generally yes,

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Speaker 1: You'd be willing to pay for would you be willing

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Speaker 2: Well? I was, But the problem it's cured now right.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to figure out is what you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't, you know, I wish I could give you

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Speaker 1: I look at it by module, all right. I'll see

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Speaker 1: I'll see an ABS module from two different Fords and

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Speaker 1: The answer I generally give in the shop is I

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Speaker 1: I can't overwrite that.

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Speaker 2: And it is quite different modules that's talking to each

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Speaker 2: And I'm multi over two data buses on this series

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Speaker 1: How many modules are in the car PCM powertrain control module,

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Speaker 1: the way they write it. Okay, you know we are

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Speaker 2: RON.

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Speaker 1: Is my car fixed? I think so I will know

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Speaker 1: Let me clarify that still. Okay, I've proven your part bad.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is bad. This piece is bad. That's it.

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Speaker 1: We're done. It's bad. I change that part. I clear

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Speaker 1: Because you don't know how the computer's programmed. We're at

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Okay, I mean the answer is right

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: I know what you're looking for. I know what LKQ

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Speaker 1: Because it's a used module. The standard answer is it's

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, run An inading of the car doctor, I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to the module conversation with Stu.

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Speaker 1: Stu's still out there listening. Think of it like this,

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Speaker 1: It has a success and it has a failure rate,

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Speaker 1: What's going to get interesting and I watched this all

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Speaker 1: It's it's you wonder what the legislators why they haven't

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Speaker 1: it an unsuccessful endeavor? And then you have to ask

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Speaker 1: Microsoft all right, Tom's all excited, and you say to

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Speaker 1: seven years. You're on your own. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: It's too inconsistent. You don't know where or when or

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Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of can you try and

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Speaker 1: do it? It's a simple yes or no answer. If

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Speaker 1: they really tried multiple modules, I'm gonna say that you

433
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Speaker 1: probably can't. All right now, I'm sure somebody all out

434
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: there will email me and say, no, rong, you're wrong,

435
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: because I've done it well and you know there again,

436
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: you're the anomaly. You're that individual. If I was talking

437
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: to Opus because we use Opus ivs a lot for

438
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: our software flashing now because it's so convenient, they would

439
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: tell me the exact same thing, no guarantee. Well try it,

440
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: you're paying for it. If it works, it works. If

441
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't. If the car can't be driven

442
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: because the software can't be removed or updated, and now

443
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: you have to buy a new module. That's the risk

444
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Speaker 1: you're taking. And that's the answer, And that's just the

445
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: way it is. You're just you're just gonna have to

446
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: get over it. Like I said, I know some people.

447
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: I know one gentleman in particular. He's making a career

448
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: out of identifying modules and finding where the vent is written.

449
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: They will unsolder that chip from the board, solder a

450
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Speaker 1: new chip in place. I can't figure out how he's

451
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: making any money to do this, because I've got to think,

452
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: this changes so frequently and so fast that you're trying

453
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Speaker 1: to keep up on a technology that you know is

454
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: always evolving, always changing. But yet I know it's being done.

455
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: So listen the backside of that story, in the backside

456
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Speaker 1: of my comments too, and for everyone else is be

457
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: glad you could still buy a module, all right, You

458
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: know that's that's the other issue. We've got more than

459
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Speaker 1: a few customers older GM products that need anti lock

460
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Speaker 1: brake modules to make their vehicles have decent brakes. These

461
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: cars have terrible brake pedals and they're squeaking by driving them.

462
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Speaker 1: You know, they're like two O three's fours And you know,

463
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: these people just they can't get parts. They don't exist,

464
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Speaker 1: they can they can't even find. One of them is

465
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Speaker 1: for a Cadillac with tracks and control and stability control.

466
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Speaker 1: I forget the exact options that are on this vehicle,

467
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Speaker 1: but it's like this really rare production option availability kind

468
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Speaker 1: of a vehicle, and you know, they can't get parts

469
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Speaker 1: for it. And this gentleman's got it's a beautiful forty

470
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: five thousand mile O two El Dorado, I think it is.

471
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Speaker 1: And it's basically sitting in a garage under recover because

472
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Speaker 1: for the past fourteen months it has to get pieces

473
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Speaker 1: for it. So it happens, you know, it's it's a

474
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Speaker 1: tough deal, uh, you know, and you're not happy when

475
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Speaker 1: it does. So anyway, let's pull over, take a pause.

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Speaker 1: Eight five five, five six zero nine nine hundred. By

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Speaker 1: the way, you know, if you're out, you know, Instagram

478
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Speaker 1: or Facebook or any whatever social media YouTube. I should

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Speaker 1: point out that we've added I think there's fifty one

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Speaker 1: videos on the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're covering as wide range as we can. We're actually

483
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Speaker 1: having We're gonna have two new videos come out this week.

484
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Speaker 1: One of them will be the ABS video talking about

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Speaker 1: the nine f one fifty uh ABS module fault that

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Speaker 1: we had and then how I diagnosed it. We'll show

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Speaker 1: you that. We're going to walk you through the wiring

488
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Speaker 1: diagrams that should be up on our YouTube channel this week.

489
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Speaker 1: And the other one, I'm trying to think of what

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Speaker 1: the other one was. I can't recall, but uh, you

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Speaker 1: know what, when we get back from the break, I'll

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Speaker 1: look it up and I'll tell you. But there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be two new videos coming up on YouTube this week,

494
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Speaker 1: and by all means get out there and see him,

495
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Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoy them. And if you can

496
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Speaker 1: think of us like wherever you can and help promote

497
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Speaker 1: us on social media, it helps us increase our numbers

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Speaker 1: and it grows our cause, and it turn we're here

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Speaker 1: for you to grow your cause. So I'm running any

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Speaker 1: in the car doctor eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. I'll be back right after this. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're back. We'ren on any of the car doctor. Let's

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Speaker 1: go over to Edwin, Wisconsin. Ed Welcome to the car doctor, sir.

504
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: How can I help.

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Speaker 4: Well? Good morning or good afternoon. I got a fifty

506
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: seven Chevrolet bel Air, okay, and I had it for

507
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: thirty years. It's got about fifty seven thousand actual miles.

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Speaker 1: Right.

509
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: Transmission. The transmission is a power glide automatic and U

510
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: I only drive it in the summer, and I have

511
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: to put in a quarter. It goes down about a

512
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: cord and then I fill it up in the summer.

513
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: If I drive it once a week, it never leaks

514
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: out or nothing. It's good till November. But then I

515
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: park it in November and for four months it sets

516
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: in the in the storage area and it will drop

517
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: a court. It'll leak out a quart of oil.

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00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Right because it's draining back at the converters, draining down. Okay,

519
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: I've seen this problem. I've seen this problem before. And

520
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the trick that everybody has been doing, because obviously fifty

521
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: seven Chevales were made a little while ago, is they

522
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: are putting a vent in the tail shaft of the transmission.

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00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you're gonna take the This is the

524
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: cast iron power glide right ed. Yep, Yeah, this is

525
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: the original glide. There'll be a procedure somewhere, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try five or two. So you know, if

527
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: you look, if you look in any one of the

528
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Tri five club forums, somebody will show you a diagram

529
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: of how to do this. But I've never done this,

530
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: but I've seen it done and I've I've heard of this. Okay,

531
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Speaker 1: let me clarify this. That they're putting a vent pipe

532
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: in the tail shaft of the transmission and they allow

533
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: it to vent through there, and that relieves pressure on

534
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: the trans and causes the fluid not to not to

535
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: drain back down out of the converter and the problem

536
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Speaker 1: goes away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like the right idea, because I took

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00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: it to a transmission man, right, And he says, and

539
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 4: I can take I can take it out and it'll

540
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 4: cost you twenty five hundred dollars. And he says, and

541
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Speaker 4: put it back in, and you might have the same problem. Right,

542
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: he says, it's draining down from his draining down, just

543
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: like you said. So I think you're right on top

544
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Speaker 4: of it.

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00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: Right, I think, I think you know and I saw it.

546
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: I look, God, it's probably five years since I last

547
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: looked at this, but I saw this a while ago

548
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: and I found it somewhere. I'm gonna say, one of

549
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: the try five clubs out there in the universe, and

550
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: somebody was talking about it, one of the forms, and

551
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: somebody actually had a blueprint by design. I'll see if

552
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Speaker 1: I can find it and maybe post it up on

553
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: where can I put it? Are you on Are you

554
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Facebook at all?

555
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: Ed?

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00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I realize it's social media? But can you get out

557
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: to me?

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00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: I'm really not, yeah, really not?

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Speaker 1: Can you Can you get out to Yeah? Can I

560
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: print it off? Can I email it to you?

561
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? That you could do?

562
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: Well? Why don't you email me? Email me Ron at

563
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: cardoctorshow dot com. All right, and I'll see if no

564
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: no promises, and give me a little bit of time

565
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: because obviously I've got a few things going on. But

566
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Speaker 1: I know what I'm I know.

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Speaker 4: For the next week or but I'll get to you.

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00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: I get the number.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but really appreciate, but that'll be it. What is it?

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00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: It's it's an all original bel Air.

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00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's all original, fifty seven thousand miles on it.

572
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: It's got the original fingerhut seat covers on it, went

573
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: them little bubbles in.

574
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: You know, two door, four door.

575
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: Two door, hard top, tropical turquoise.

576
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Car's worth a lot of money.

577
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's beautiful if there's not a scratch in it.

578
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: And like I say, as far as the mechanicals never

579
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Speaker 4: been touched.

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Speaker 1: You know, not to age you ed, but are you

581
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Speaker 1: the original owner?

582
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: No? No, I got it from a man in California,

583
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: Grampa in California, and I'm eighty yeah.

584
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: V eight six cylinder.

585
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: V eight mm four to eighty three.

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Speaker 1: Two eighty three, four barrel car barrel, two barrel, No,

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Speaker 1: two barrel. If you said four barrel, I'd be in

588
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: the car driving out.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty it's pretty nice.

590
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it is. A very a very dear

591
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: friend of mine has a fifty five bel Air, a

592
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: four door bell Air V eight factory air condition car.

593
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: And it's the only one. Hey, it's the only one

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, you know, it's it's the only one

595
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's factory year. It still blows stone cold.

596
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: Jeff takes very good care of it. The entire passenger

597
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: side of the engine can't be seen because that's how

598
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: big the evaporator and the AC compressor are. It just

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: covers the engine on that side.

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Speaker 4: I got to share this a little with you. Yeah,

601
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: my wife, back in nineteen sixty five, her dad went

602
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Speaker 4: and bought a new sixty five in Palace Supersport. She

603
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: got out of high school. It was red on red

604
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: with She wanted the four or nine engine. Her dad

605
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: would only let her have the two to eighty three,

606
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: so she got it. We drove it for one hundred

607
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: and eighty thousand miles in Wisconsin. The area rusted to death.

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: We put it up in the bron She says, I

609
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: want to restore it. Well ninety one. I said, it's

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00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: too rusty. We'll pull it out by the road. A

611
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: kid give her a thousand bucks for it. So we

612
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: go out to bear Jackson Auction in January, and here

613
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: this kid come out with her very same car, only

614
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: with a three ninety six big block that he had

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00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: twenty seven thousand miles on. He got it from his grandpa,

616
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: and his grandpa said, the car never seen rain, you know.

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: He bought it that night and it's got now got

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00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: thirty three thousand miles on. But it's a perfect car.

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Speaker 4: Craig Jackson said, there wasn't another one in the United

620
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Speaker 4: States like that.

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Speaker 1: Probably not.

622
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: It might be one that a body shop might have rebuilt.

623
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: But this is original car.

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00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: You know. The car I want and then I have

625
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: to go is the one from the Sopranos movie, the

626
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: not the TV show, but the movie The Saints of Newark,

627
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: the Many Saints of Newark. The one Uncle what's his

628
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: name was driving the white sixty five with the big

629
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: block that I want to see that car because that car,

630
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: to me was just phenomenal as well. And I got

631
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: to go. I appreciate the call. Shoot me an email.

632
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm Ronning Andy in the car Doctor. I'll be back

633
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: right after this. Wow fifty seven Chevy. I think we

634
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: should have given them two hundred bucks for it and

635
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: driven out there and picked it up. And actually I

636
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: sat here thinking about it. The problem is because the

637
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: dipstick tube on that generation GM it's short. It's like

638
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: nine ten inches long, so it's actually it's it comes

639
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: out by the starter and it doesn't exceed up past

640
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: the height of the converter. So to speak. So it's

641
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: just it's finding its level by adding the vent to

642
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: the tail shaft, which GM did in fifty eight. They

643
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: put a vent on the tail shaft of the transmission

644
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight. They cause an equilibrium and they

645
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: solve the problem because GM couldn't figure it out for

646
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: three years. So don't ask me why we remember this

647
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: stuff now. I got to find the diagram because I

648
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: know there's a diagram out there, which actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're still listening, you don't even need a diagram.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be. You could use a piece of

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Speaker 1: or like the little fittings, the eighth inch pipe fittings

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Speaker 1: like we get for the oil pressure gauges. Right, just

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Speaker 1: take the tail shaft off, drill a hole in the top,

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Speaker 1: tap it, put that in. Put about I don't know,

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Speaker 1: five inches of thin pipe up there. Just give it

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Speaker 1: away for it to vent, and the problem will go away.

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Speaker 1: Because I bet if you look at this, the fluid

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Speaker 1: is creeping up the dipstick tube. I failed to ask

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Speaker 1: you that question, but I'm betting it is that it's

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Speaker 1: creeping up the dipstick tube, and this will relieve pressure

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Speaker 1: on that because the dipstick tube, I should explain, on

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Speaker 1: a fifty seven Chevy goes down into the sump, it

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Speaker 1: goes down into an area that's wet, and it can't

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Speaker 1: ever relieve the pressure. And it's just it's just self pressurizing,

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Speaker 1: pushing the fluid out the tube. And there you go,

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Speaker 1: something from seventy five years ago. I'm ronning Ady in

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Speaker 1: the car. Doctor. I'm sure you're really gonna use that

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Speaker 1: until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 1: I see you