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Speaker 2: Trump officials say there is a ninety percent chance we

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and start off with Iran. Just a

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Speaker 3: titanic amount of US military assets arriving in the Middle East,

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Speaker 3: some not seen since the Iraq War and the Gulf

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Speaker 3: War before that. It's very much reminiscent of the military

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Speaker 3: build up around Venezuela before the operation to kidnap Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 3: Professor John Mehersheimer was reacting to all of this yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, and Israel wance zero enrichment capability.

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Speaker 4: They want the whole nuclear enrichment infrastructure taken down. They

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Speaker 4: want Iran to eliminate all the ballistic missiles that has

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Speaker 5: Going to accept. So even if Trump can work out

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Speaker 5: the Israelis have made it very clear that they will

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Speaker 5: And also we're going to get involved because the Iranians

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Speaker 3: Tote Professor Meersheimer's warning there about what this is all

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Speaker 3: All signs are currently pointing to this. The White House

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Speaker 6: Can you share a little bit about the President's thinking

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Speaker 7: Well, there's many reasons and arguments that one could make

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Speaker 7: a very successful operation as Commander in Chief with Operation

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Speaker 7: Midnight Hammer, as you know, as you just said, totally

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Speaker 7: the world, diplomacy is always his first option, and Iran

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Speaker 7: would be very wise to make a deal with President Trump.

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Speaker 7: And with this administration, he's talking to many people. Of course,

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Speaker 1: He's always thinking.

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Speaker 7: About what's in the best interests of the United States

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Speaker 7: of America, of our military, of the American people.

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Speaker 3: Many arguments could be foot forward as to why we

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Speaker 3: should strike Iran. Okay, well, they're certainly not ruling any

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Speaker 2: I like how they don't actually make the arguments though.

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Speaker 2: They're just like, there are arguments bigger.

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Speaker 8: Than out I have.

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Speaker 3: There is no precedent in American history except for Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: This is more than Midnight Hammer. This is golf war level.

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Speaker 3: Like we are talking about hundreds of thousands of US

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Speaker 3: to find this out. It's stunning to me they're making

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Speaker 3: no argument, and I think because the more the American

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Speaker 1: Why do we have to care of it again?

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Speaker 8: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: But what's the whole point of this? Because of some

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, I'm out. That's why they're not

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Speaker 2: I think there's also a bit of a boy who

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Speaker 2: Cried Wolf dynamic going on in terms of the lack

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Speaker 2: American public, because Trump is constantly threatening this or that

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Speaker 2: in the other country, in Canada and Mexico and Venezuela

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Speaker 2: and Greenland, and obviously some of these threats he makes

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Speaker 2: part of why there isn't more focused attention from the

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Speaker 2: I was reading Matthew ho who's former military himself, and

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Speaker 2: he had an interesting analysis here because obviously, one reading

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Speaker 2: to coerce them in negotiations. And even you know, one

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Speaker 2: reading of all the Trump officials leaking oh my god,

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Speaker 2: way of reading that is that's all basically a threat

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Speaker 2: and a sign up to try to coerce the iraniance

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Speaker 2: in terms of the negotiations. I thought this analysis from

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Speaker 2: that narrative and putting some credence to the idea like no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: this is the thing they're actually planning on going through with.

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Speaker 2: He says, this is the strongest indication to me of

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Speaker 2: the seriousness of the US threat to Iran. The US

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Speaker 2: The E three is an incredibly important aircraft for those

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Speaker 2: the airspace in its area. It is especially important for

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Speaker 2: missiles and drones. He goes on to talk about how like,

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Speaker 2: vast bulk of them are now in the region, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to all the assets.

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Speaker 1: That is the precursor. I've talked about this.

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Speaker 3: So I met somebody who had an intimate knowledge of

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Speaker 3: the so called op plan. The OP plan for attacking Iran.

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Speaker 3: Midnight Hammer was like day one, part one of what

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Speaker 3: Another piece of news many of you may have missed

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Speaker 3: Now you might think, oh, that's great, we've been calling

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Speaker 3: They've had multiple sort of instances. Even the bases in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: So they're planning. Another thing many of you may have missed.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump had a very sneaky line in truth Social

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Speaker 3: a Pacific base and for refeling and for taking off,

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Speaker 3: and in it he goes, Iran, if we attack, may

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Speaker 3: attack other friendly countries. So the contingency plans are everywhere

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Speaker 3: for this entire thing. And this looks like the full,

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Speaker 3: like the big one. Now, I'm not saying that we're

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's what this administration will ever do.

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Speaker 3: Because they've learned the lesson of Iraq. This is going

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Let the Israelis continue to do the dirty work of

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Speaker 3: President red lines. Look, this is all nonsense. The red

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Speaker 1: But here we are.

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Speaker 2: They're not bothering to manufacture a real case. So if

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Speaker 2: And yes we're going to we will suffer, probably more

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Speaker 2: And they don't want this war. They are not behind you.

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Speaker 2: So there's going to be zero appetite from the American

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Speaker 1: I see the difference. Our public is not engaged. This

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Speaker 3: And as we all found out, you know, during the protest,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be attacked by an outside power, guess what.

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Speaker 3: That's the dream of the power, the party in power

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Speaker 3: What they want is for us to say tens of

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Speaker 3: What's probably going to happen is a massive air campaign,

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Speaker 3: very similar to what happened with Libya, a no fly zone,

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Speaker 3: Then they'll say mission accomplished. Whoever comes in next, you

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Speaker 3: negotiate on our terms. That's it, period. But we will

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Speaker 3: of who are anti war. See you said it would

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Speaker 3: they were not actually going to care if it's a

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Speaker 3: maybe they'll fly raise Apolovy or something like that back

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Speaker 3: The Iranians are bad. What the Israelis want is to

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Speaker 3: this is not about the Iranian people. They will have

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Speaker 3: an immense, immense amount of suffering. And so for those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it works, It actually works pretty well.

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Speaker 2: One more point on that, which I think ties in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Okay, So let's go to A four then,

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Speaker 3: Revit is writing it, you know it's all there. Trump

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Speaker 3: paying five point fifty a gallon? Right, which again, the

437
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Speaker 3: Hoothies were very capable of doing, and we're not nearly

438
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Speaker 3: as capable as the IRGC. Same with an insurgency, as

439
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Speaker 3: we saw an I rack, they want to make it

440
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Speaker 3: as miserable as possible. That it's a long and a

441
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Speaker 3: very dangerous thing for the civilian population. So this is

442
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Speaker 3: bad because they know that thousand, I mean, who knows

443
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Speaker 3: how many civilians would be killed in an Israeli US

444
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Speaker 3: operation against you. It's a nightmare for the Iranian people. Yeah,

445
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Speaker 3: then it's a nightmare too because the government is basically like, yep,

446
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Speaker 3: they're all going to die, and so are we.

447
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Speaker 1: It's self suicide.

448
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: And then the real nightmare on our part is our

449
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: population is asleep, you know, watching the NBA or something

450
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Speaker 3: like that, and when are they going to wake up?

451
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Speaker 3: Only when the bombs start falling on Tehran. They have

452
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Speaker 3: no idea that anything's going on right now.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I mean from the Iranians perspective, they're

454
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Speaker 2: like these Americans. And by the way, they're like Gulf

455
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: Arab allies are coddled, you know, in the UAE and

456
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 2: wherever they're like outnumbered. Their population is outnumbered by their

457
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Speaker 2: indentured workforce. They're you know here in the US, they're

458
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Speaker 2: they're not bought in on this idea. They're not ready

459
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Speaker 2: to pay any sort of price, and so we can

460
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Speaker 2: exact some pain now, I mean maybe they can, maybe

461
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Speaker 2: they can't, depending on how effective that first wave of

462
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Speaker 2: strikes are. But you know, that's this is the logic

463
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Speaker 2: that we've created multiple times. We've now had the Iranians

464
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Speaker 2: agree to effectively these choreographed responses where it's like, Okay,

465
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Speaker 2: we think this right tactical approach is will do a

466
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Speaker 2: limited response that doesn't result in any US soldier deaths

467
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Speaker 2: or significant damage, and then that will persuade them to

468
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Speaker 2: leave us alone. And clearly, clearly that approach hasn't worked,

469
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Speaker 2: so now they're okay, Well, I guess we have to

470
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Speaker 2: take a different approach. The idea that they would give

471
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Speaker 2: up their ballisticness, I mean, that is insane. No country

472
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Speaker 2: would agree to that. Then you can't project force at

473
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Speaker 2: all in your read I mean you're just a sitting duck.

474
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Speaker 2: Then for Israel and you know, whatever they then their

475
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Speaker 2: approxy and whatever they want to do to you, and

476
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: for us as well, there is no and that is

477
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Speaker 2: intentionally put in to these negotiations, inserted into these negotiations

478
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Speaker 2: by nat Yahoo and agreed to by our idiot president

479
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Speaker 2: as an intentional poison pill. Let's go ahead and play

480
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to this is a professor at

481
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Speaker 2: the University of Tehran who you know speaks to Western

482
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Speaker 2: media quite a lot, or I guess, like you know,

483
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Speaker 2: western but non establishment media quite a big English.

484
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Speaker 3: He's basically a regime translator for the rest of us,

485
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Speaker 3: which is fine.

486
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Speaker 1: We want to show people what they're thinking.

487
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Speaker 2: Of well, and in fairness to him, I mean you

488
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Speaker 2: live in Iran, your university professor like your ability to

489
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Speaker 2: completely speak freely is going to be curtailed. But in

490
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Speaker 2: any case, I wanted to play a bit of how

491
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Speaker 2: he is explaining the view from inside Iran and how

492
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Speaker 2: they're thinking about, you know, we as we pursued on

493
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Speaker 2: this march to war, how they're thinking about what they have,

494
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Speaker 2: what this is about, and what chips they have to

495
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Speaker 2: play as well.

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Speaker 8: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 10: This is not a normal part of the world. This

498
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Speaker 10: is not an ordinary region. It is full of oil

499
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Speaker 10: and gas installations, oil and gas wells, It is full

500
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Speaker 10: of refineries, it is full of ports for exporting oil

501
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Speaker 10: and gas, importing goods from the West through all the

502
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Speaker 10: wealth that is accumulated and from different parts of the world.

503
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Speaker 10: And then you have ships hankers coming and going. Then

504
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Speaker 10: you have the Strait of Hormos. The Persian Gulf itself

505
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Speaker 10: is not very wide. Iran controls one side of it

506
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Speaker 10: and islands in the middle of it. And then there's

507
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Speaker 10: the Indian Ocean. There is with the missiut capabilities and

508
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Speaker 10: drone capabilities that he run has, whether they're from the

509
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Speaker 10: sea or the land. The global economy will be devastated

510
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 10: and the price of energy will go through the roof

511
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Speaker 10: Trump being weak and vulnerable as things are unpopular people

512
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Speaker 10: opposing war in the United States, you now have a

513
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Speaker 10: very difficult economic situation. It's getting worse in the United States.

514
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Speaker 10: And then to add on all that is of course

515
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Speaker 10: the exposure of the Epstein class to the American people

516
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Speaker 10: and the cover up and the continued cover up. So

517
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Speaker 10: he's not going to have popular support when he engages

518
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Speaker 10: in war, and when the pain starts kicking in, Americans

519
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Speaker 10: are not going to like that. His own small, his

520
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 10: own thirty percent or so supporters are going to be

521
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Speaker 10: the first to be outraged when they lose their jobs.

522
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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting, and he mentioned several times

523
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Speaker 2: around this interview the Epstein class and tying that in

524
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Speaker 2: and saying this is this war and the whole march

525
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Speaker 2: to war, this is the doing of the Epstein class,

526
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Speaker 2: and talking about the vulnerability of Trump, who was both

527
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Speaker 2: in the files and also you know, responsible for this

528
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Speaker 2: mass cover up that has created this back last year

529
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Speaker 2: in the population.

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Speaker 1: What do you learn from that? They're not stupid?

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Speaker 3: And like, that's one of the things I really hate

532
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Speaker 3: often about the way that we paint our adversaries, even

533
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Speaker 3: with the al Qaeda with the tether. Oh, they're just

534
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: you know, goat herders and caves. So I'm like, yeah,

535
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Speaker 3: the gunman maybe, I'm like, the people at the top

536
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Speaker 3: are definitely not like that same thing with you.

537
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you hear all the time? It's

538
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Speaker 1: a great civilization, you know.

539
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Speaker 3: They they invented math and all of the right, they

540
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Speaker 3: have this great air of learning. And yeah, that's the point, like,

541
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Speaker 3: we're not up against a bunch of roots. Like these

542
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Speaker 3: people have survived for decades despite being punished by the West,

543
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Speaker 3: including with sanctions.

544
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Speaker 2: I mean items for I mean, like you said, decades,

545
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Speaker 2: that's an astonishing accomplishment. Yeah, I mean, this isn't the

546
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Speaker 2: first time an American regime has wanted to take them out.

547
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Speaker 2: And they've survived and you know, and I can't say thrive,

548
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: but they've survived.

549
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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, that's all they care about is survival. I mean

550
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: North Korea is a similar example. Like if you if

551
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Speaker 3: you're willing to bear pain, you can live as long

552
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: as you sprint to a bomb. Well, what we see

553
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Speaker 3: inside of their logic is also they're obviously paying deep

554
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Speaker 3: attention to US and in an asymmetric conflict Vietnam.

555
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of people forget this.

556
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Speaker 3: Everyone people said the same the HO team in he's

557
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: just a communist guy and no, Like they were very intelligent.

558
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Speaker 3: They deeply exploited the cleavage and American society over the

559
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Speaker 3: Vietnam War, and they intentionally fed into that.

560
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Speaker 1: They would invite Jane Fondo over right, and.

561
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Speaker 3: They had all these press conferences and they would make

562
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Speaker 3: it very clear with their propaganda like all of this

563
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: can end. This is not about you. You're being taken

564
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Speaker 3: advantage of. You're being drafted and sent to die. Like

565
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: they speak fluent English, they knew exactly how to play

566
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: into the problems for LBJ and the whole ten offensive thing.

567
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Speaker 3: Remember that we were killed LBJ wanting to run for

568
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Speaker 3: reelection like they know exactly what they're doing. You should

569
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Speaker 3: remember then that the Iranians have a very similar capacity.

570
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Speaker 3: I am a bit skept and actually this will be

571
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Speaker 3: a great testing ground for many of my theories of

572
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Speaker 3: the US military. I have long believed we're like a

573
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 3: Rolls Royce engine, which is really really cool but requires

574
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Speaker 3: an insane amount of mechanics and uptake and cost hundreds

575
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Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars. And what I've always feared is

576
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Speaker 3: that it could be taken out by these ten thousand

577
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: dollars drones in mass capacity with the Chinese and the Russians,

578
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Speaker 3: as the Ukrainians frankly have been able to stand up

579
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Speaker 3: even to their limited capacity against the Russians, like all

580
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Speaker 3: you need is drones running off to be able to

581
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Speaker 3: defeat like much more expensive technology. This will be a

582
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Speaker 3: genuine test case if it does happen. Can they actually

583
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Speaker 3: shut down the Straits and Hormuz? What are their capabilities?

584
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Speaker 3: They could actually be a paper tiger. I'm actually I'm

585
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Speaker 3: not ruling that out, considering what happened with the Twelve

586
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Speaker 3: Day War. So on the one hand, they had ballistic

587
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: missiles that were capable of hitting Israel. On the other hand,

588
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: there was a disaster for them, like a lot of

589
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Speaker 3: them that were killed and infiltrated by the Mosad.

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Speaker 1: It's very possible.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past the US military to wipe

592
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Speaker 3: out all their ballistic missile you know defenses. I mean, God,

593
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: our military has not been used in this way, I

594
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: mean since two thousand and three like who God only knows,

595
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Speaker 3: ai pollunteer.

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Speaker 1: And all of this, like we could probably wipe it out.

597
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Speaker 3: We could actually maybe destroy all their conventional capabilities.

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Speaker 1: But again, that doesn't mean that we're going to win

599
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Speaker 1: the strategic battle. So that's a long way, you know.

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Speaker 3: Kind of setting this up, let's put the maps and

601
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Speaker 3: all of that on the screen, just so you guys

602
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: can see all of these assets that are moving into

603
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Speaker 3: the region from all of these refeeling tankers and different

604
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Speaker 3: military assets. And you talked about the command and control

605
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: planes and the US Navy. Let's go to that one.

606
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: The next one, please third of the US military. US

607
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Speaker 3: Navy is now operating in and around the Persian Gulf,

608
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Speaker 3: two aircraft carriers air support. Harrison's with nineteen ninety one

609
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Speaker 3: and raises the question as as they say that nobody

610
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Speaker 3: wants to talk about and then a eight. Let's put

611
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Speaker 3: this one up here. This kind of highlights what I

612
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: was saying earlier. Iran is getting ready for war with

613
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Speaker 3: the United States, is confronting its biggest threat in decades.

614
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: The regime is trying to boost its odds of survival

615
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Speaker 3: if the diplomatic odds fall through. Tehran is deploying its forces,

616
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Speaker 3: dispersing decision making and authority, fortifying its nuclear sites, expanding

617
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Speaker 3: its crackdowns. The move reflects its leaders belief that survival

618
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Speaker 3: of the regime itself is at stake. It's like I said,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they know that they're all probably most of

620
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Speaker 3: them are probably going to die. So what you do

621
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Speaker 3: is you create a cell structure, you move it around,

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Speaker 3: You try and create survivability inside of your command and

623
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Speaker 3: control networks. They have been hardening some of their things,

624
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Speaker 3: and they're probably focusing on like a Pareto principle of

625
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Speaker 3: like the highest impact with the lowest amount of force.

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Speaker 3: Try and mine the straits of horn moves right and

627
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Speaker 3: make it so that it's instantaneous, like a button push.

628
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Speaker 3: Their ballistic missile capability probably will get wiped out very quickly,

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Speaker 3: so then you need like very these different nodes and

630
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Speaker 3: things that they may not be able to hit in

631
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Speaker 3: a first strike. Again, I'm not going to underestimate the

632
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Speaker 3: capacity of the US military, but it only takes one,

633
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Speaker 3: two three for it to change the entire strategic logic

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Speaker 3: of the situation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, on the one hand, you've got the Venezuela example,

636
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Speaker 2: where you know, Venezuela had supposedly significant capabilities that were

637
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Speaker 2: just wiped down right, and there was you know, not

638
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Speaker 2: a single US service member is killed in this, you know,

639
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Speaker 2: extraordinary action, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: On the other hand, you have the example.

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Speaker 2: Of the Hoofies, where it's this ragtag group of you know,

642
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Speaker 2: some like cheap some of it off the shelf technology,

643
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Speaker 2: and we're effectively defeated by that. We're like, okay, we're

644
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Speaker 2: just not really you know, up for expending what would

645
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Speaker 2: be required to deal with this situation.

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Speaker 8: So we're moving in along.

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Speaker 2: So you have both examples, you know, in recent and

648
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Speaker 2: recent memory, and you know, to the point of Iranian preparation.

649
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Speaker 2: Keep in mind that we learned something from the Twelve

650
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Speaker 2: Days where the Israeli has learned something from the Twelve

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Speaker 2: Days or including the fact that they do have some

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Speaker 2: vulnerability to being able to hit them and penetrate their

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Speaker 2: air defenses. The Iranians also learned from the Twelve Days

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Speaker 2: War about what they're able to accomplish where those weaknesses

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Speaker 2: and vulnerabilities are, you know, in terms of Israeli air

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Speaker 2: defenses in particular. So and they learned about, okay, who

657
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Speaker 2: are the infiltrators, you know, where how were we compromised

658
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Speaker 2: in this way? They also learned from the protest because

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that happened during the

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Speaker 2: protest is we helped to funnel a bunch of Starlink

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Speaker 2: satellites into Iran, so that you know, and we're you know,

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Speaker 2: out there Mike Vompey and others bragging about, Oh to

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Speaker 2: the massage agents who are marching alongside the protesters, congratulations.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, you know, the protests were a

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Speaker 2: fantastic opportunity for the Iranians to smoke down Okay, who who.

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Speaker 8: Are our ops?

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Speaker 2: And with the starlink thing, One of the theories is

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Speaker 2: because they were eventually able to take the starlink capacity

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Speaker 2: down as well, So were they able to track which

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Speaker 2: you know, that was an extraordinary development. Were they able

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Speaker 2: to track who were the owners of those terminals, who

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Speaker 2: was using that tech? Because that again would have given

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Speaker 2: them a blueprint and a roadmap to who are our

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Speaker 2: ops and how do we take them out? And some

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Speaker 2: of those would have been very likely you know, foreign

676
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Speaker 2: intel that could have you know, been causing problems and

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Speaker 2: providing intelligence to the Israelis most likely into the US obviously,

678
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Speaker 2: you know, those two being very connected. So they have

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Speaker 2: also learned and have some ideas of where their vulnerabilities are,

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Speaker 2: where their strengths are, and the way that they need

681
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Speaker 2: to approach this as well. And so that's important to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind as too, that they have not remained

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Speaker 2: static to the point about the you know, the sort

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Speaker 2: of propaganda push.

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Speaker 8: This was interesting. Put a ten up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Here you have the Iatola again getting in on the

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Speaker 2: kind of Epstein class discussion, and he tweeted out this

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Speaker 2: island of corruption, referring of course to Jeffrey Epstein's rape

689
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Speaker 2: Island is only one example. There as much more of this,

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Speaker 2: just as this was not a parent and then became exposed,

691
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Speaker 2: there are many other things that will soon come to light.

692
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Speaker 2: So a threat, a direct threat there that like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we've got some stuff, and you know, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Iranians have successfully hacked Epstein's emails and have been you know,

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Speaker 2: successful Iranian hacks. And Ryan points out here, according to

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Speaker 2: search weren't used to search John Bolton's home, Iron hacked

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Speaker 2: Bolton's AOL account three times. That cash has not yet

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Speaker 2: been released. Comedy is hinting at leaks to come as

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Speaker 2: several US are models flowed nearby with countless missiles.

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Speaker 8: Aimed at his head. So maybe this is just an

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Speaker 8: empty threat.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's a reason to believe that he

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Speaker 2: could have some some goods here. He could have some

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Speaker 2: sort of compromont that is, you know, plausibly could be released.

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Speaker 3: This is what you do, is you have to do

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Speaker 3: your best to try. You know, you leak stuff, you

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Speaker 3: make it difficult, you do the mining.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'man on the one hand, I don't underestimate the US military.

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Speaker 3: On the other, like I look at Outhi's I look

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Speaker 3: at all you know, we've had.

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Speaker 1: A significant amount of planning.

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Speaker 3: I do know about all of the different problems in

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Speaker 3: logistics and supply chain. I mean, this is the problem.

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Speaker 3: You always know something is going to go wrong. Nothing

716
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Speaker 3: ever goes exactly according to plan. Even in Venezuela, one

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Speaker 3: of the helicopter pilots got shot to shit in on

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Speaker 3: the I think it was on the way out right,

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Speaker 3: Like it's a miracle he didn't die. Imagine how different

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Speaker 3: it is. I mean, think about the bin laden raid.

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Speaker 3: Always one of the most highly helicopter pilot. If you

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Speaker 3: don't have the best trained guy in the world in

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Speaker 3: that seat at that exact moment, everybody on the chopper dies, Right,

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Speaker 3: it's a different world.

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Speaker 1: Half the Navy seals get killed. It's a nightmare.

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Speaker 3: And then the Pakistani military arrives. Like that, history turns

727
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Speaker 3: on a dime and you never have any idea, And

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Speaker 3: especially if you have all of these guys a multi

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Speaker 3: week bombing campaign. It only takes one thing to go wrong.

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Speaker 3: And look at our look at think about the U

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Speaker 3: two spy plane crisis, you know with the Soviet Union,

732
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Speaker 3: like it was the greatest plane in the history of

733
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Speaker 3: the world. Boom gone, shot out of the sky. Now

734
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Speaker 3: we're doing bridge of spies, like swapping people in West Germany.

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Speaker 1: Like that's it.

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Speaker 3: Just you always have to hope for the best, plan

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Speaker 3: for the worst. And I've seen enough now over the

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Speaker 3: years just to know, like all it takes is one

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Speaker 3: or two different things. And we can I mean, can

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Speaker 3: you imagine if one thing goes wrong or if some

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Speaker 3: civilian tanker you know, misses the mine and gets blown up,

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Speaker 3: and you know, several Americans are like, we're gonna be

743
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Speaker 3: living in a different universe, Like that's troop level deployments

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Speaker 3: and all that, and you can't look to the people

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Speaker 3: who are in power and are like, oh yeah, they're

746
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: they're they're definitely looking out for all of our interests

747
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Speaker 3: and trying to turn down the dial like no, it's

748
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Speaker 3: this is bad all right. And then the last thing,

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Speaker 3: I know, we've been talking for a long time, A twelve.

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Speaker 3: Can we put that up there on the screen. I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to show you all what the Secretary of

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Speaker 3: Defense is up to. So yesterday, as all of these

753
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Speaker 3: missile you know, all of these carrier strike groups and

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Speaker 3: all of that are moving there, Secretary of headset joined

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Speaker 3: doctor Oz for a beachside brunch, hanging from trees, doing

756
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Speaker 3: cold plunges for leisurely afternoon quote into a Maha extravaganza

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Speaker 3: with tree pull ups, a cold plunge, and a Mediterranean feast.

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Speaker 1: So really glad to.

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Speaker 3: See the secretary so nice for Thank you, mister Secretary

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Speaker 3: for your service.

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Speaker 2: Last thing also shows you how essential disadministration thinks he

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Speaker 2: is to their planning.

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Speaker 3: To last thing will put up here major shout out

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Speaker 3: to again the heroes of our Timeana Thomas Massy.

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Speaker 1: Let's put that up there on the screen. The last element.

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Speaker 1: They are now.

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Speaker 3: Introducing a war powers resolution to debate and vote on

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Speaker 3: a war before putting US troops in harms.

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Speaker 1: May harm's way.

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Speaker 3: I will make a motion to discharge a force and

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Speaker 3: vote on it next week, so hoping that this will

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Speaker 3: actually come to pass. Thomas Massey Rocana bipartisan resolution will

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Speaker 3: terminate the use of US forces from hostilities against Iran

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Speaker 3: without congressional authorization, which of course is like the final thing.

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Speaker 3: There has never been a build up or a military

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Speaker 3: potential military action like this ever in United States history

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Speaker 3: of this magnitude without any congressional authorization. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's not that the congressman all support it, they just

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Speaker 3: don't want to vote for it, so you hold them accountable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me make that clear too.

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Speaker 3: Outside of like five people who are in the US Congress,

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Speaker 3: they love this.

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Speaker 1: They're all supported.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw Sanatra Mark Warner of course Democratic Virginia

785
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Speaker 2: Ken Klippenstein was clipping him saying like, oh, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: the President's keeping.

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Speaker 8: All the options on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: This is our opposition for you. That's fantastic. But shout

790
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: out to Row and Thomas Massey. The dynamic duo, and

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Speaker 2: one dynamic that Massy was highlighting a political interview that

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Speaker 2: I hadn't completely thought of. He thinks they're going to

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Speaker 2: be more Republican dissenters like himself going forward after primary season,

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Speaker 2: And in particular, one thing dynamic I had not thought

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Speaker 2: of is, you know, Trump did this big redistricting push.

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Speaker 2: You are going to have some Republicans who are redistricted

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Speaker 2: out of their seats.

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Speaker 8: Good point, they're gonna be like fuck you.

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, they'll have to think about, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: if I piss off the president. No, not primary, but

801
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: what about my post congress job prospects if I'm not

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00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: in good with the administration, And you know, they'll have

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Speaker 2: to balance that. But I did think that was an

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Speaker 2: interesting note for him that he expects in the future

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Speaker 2: there could be more room more Republicans who are retiring,

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Speaker 2: who lost their primaries, who got redistricted down to their seats,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, who might be more open to taking a

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Speaker 2: dissenting line.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to hold my breath for that one,

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Speaker 3: but it'd be great to see. Let's get to Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 3: All right, we had to put this one. This is

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Speaker 3: just an insane, insane situation. So, for those of you

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Speaker 3: who haven't been following this, Tucker Carlson arrived in Israel yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He landed at the jet terminal and interviewed the ambassador,

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Speaker 3: Mike Huckabee after a Twitter challenge in the airport. Now,

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00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: he was only there for a couple of hours. Apparently

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Speaker 3: did not want to leave at the airport and the

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Speaker 3: protection around them.

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Speaker 1: Don't blame him. I wouldn't want to leave.

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Speaker 3: If I were him, I would never set foot on

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Speaker 3: Israeli soil, considering that, especially to go to Bethlehem or

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Speaker 3: any of these Christian communities with these crazy separatists with

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Speaker 3: guns who want to kill you.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm no way.

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Speaker 2: I saw some I saw some speculation that the Israelis

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Speaker 2: didn't want to let him in and there had to

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Speaker 2: be some State Department negotiations that result in him just

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Speaker 2: like Okay, he's just going to Bendary and airport.

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Speaker 8: That's it, right.

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Speaker 3: So the Israelis are criticizing him for not leaving the airport.

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Speaker 3: Then there's also this reporting that maybe the State Department

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Speaker 3: was like no, no, no, you have to let him in,

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Speaker 3: but just to interview us in our so who knows

834
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Speaker 3: what happened. Anyway, here's the story from Tucker and his team.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up here on the screen. Tucker Carlton

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Speaker 3: quote detained in Israel journalists dragged into an interrogation room

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Speaker 3: as explosive interview sparks a diplomatic firestorm. So Tucker told

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Speaker 3: The Daily Mail that him his producer. Shortly after the interview,

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Speaker 3: Israeli officials confiscated his passport, hauled one of his colleagues

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Speaker 3: off to an interrogation room.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Men who identified themselves as airport security took our passports,

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Speaker 3: hauled our executive producer into a side room, and then

844
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Speaker 3: demanded to know what we spoke to Ambassador Huckabee about.

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Speaker 1: Quote. It is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: We are now out of the country. This immediately ignited

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Speaker 3: a major firestorm, with especially from Israeli defenders. Let's put

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Speaker 3: their response up here on the screen. The Israeli Foreign

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Speaker 3: Minister insists quote. Contrary to reports, Tucker Carlson and his

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Speaker 3: entourage were not detained, delayed, or interrogated. Mister Carlson and

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Speaker 3: his party were politely asked a few routine questions in

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Speaker 3: accordance with standard procedure applied to many travelers. Did you

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Speaker 3: note that many aka not all travelers, many travelers.

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Speaker 1: The conversation took place.

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Speaker 3: In a separate room within the VIP lounge, solely to

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Speaker 3: protect their privacy and to avoid conducting such a discussion

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Speaker 3: in public. No unusual incident occurred, and Israel Airports Authority

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Speaker 3: firmly rejects other claims. So basically their defense is like, guys, guys, guys,

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Speaker 3: we didn't treat Tucker any differently. We interrogate and detain

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Speaker 3: and harass all foreign journalists. It's not clocking for you.

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Speaker 3: This is how we treat everybody that is an international belief.

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00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, oh, I believe Yeah, I'm sure it's

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Speaker 3: more that they're shocked because I mean, these people have

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Speaker 3: went to Moscow, Saudi Arabia, and israelis the country that

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Speaker 3: detains them, harasses them. I mean, look, do you really

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Speaker 3: want to parse it if you's led to a separate

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Speaker 3: room where people take your passport and ask you a

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Speaker 3: question that is literally interrogation, whether it's polite or not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you this.

870
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Speaker 3: When I was in Israel, I was there for school,

871
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: and I was doing a program about counter terrorism. Okay,

872
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: and I have never been harassed in airport more in

873
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: my This is long before any show. I'm twenty two

874
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: something like that, and they're like, well, why are you

875
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: studying this? And I was like, I mean, I was like,

876
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 3: do you read the news? It was two hours constant

877
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: and I was flying to Jordan. Why are you going

878
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: to Jordan? Is your father Muslim? I was like, no,

879
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: is your grandfather Muslim? Have you had any association this

880
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: is twenty fifteen. Have you ever had any association association

881
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: with Muslims in the past. No, where do you study

882
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: in the United States? George Washington Universe?

883
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: Oh?

884
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Why when did you graduate to you know?

885
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 10: With this?

886
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: Well, why why are you coming here now? It's like, well,

887
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm doing a master's. It's like it was never ending,

888
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: and then uh, you had to go to a special

889
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: security line. And by the way, I was totally racially

890
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 3: profile because I was the only person who was detained

891
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: out of this whole group. And it was before they

892
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: even started questioning me. They came up to me like

893
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: the moment that I arrived at the airport based upon this,

894
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: before I even had a beard or anything like that.

895
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: And it was NonStop and then you know, and you're

896
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: and again I'm flying too. I'm the funny thing is

897
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: you landed. I'm on They're like, welcome to Jordan. Yeah,

898
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: that's what it was like over there. But even this

899
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: is me leaving the damn country. Oh, as an American citizen,

900
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: I have landed. I'm probably forty five to fifty different countries.

901
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: It was the worst experience. And this is me as

902
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: a student. So now imagine Tucker Carlson and his entire entourage.

903
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: So I believe Tucker and his team one, yeah, I

904
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: also believe the alas that there's routine to harass every

905
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: international journalist who goes in another car.

906
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: That's why I'm ever going back.

907
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a tell. Is like, what is

908
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: it any of your business? What the interview between a

909
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: close ally of the President of the United States and

910
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: an American official, So an American media personality and an

911
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: American official, How is it any of your business? What

912
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: we discussed, what questions were asked, et cetera. I mean,

913
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: it is wild. It just underscore you know, we get

914
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: fed all those other those only democracy in the middle

915
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: is bubba. It just underscales what a crock of shit

916
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: that is, and especially with their rationale here, like, guys,

917
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: this is just how we operate, Like what is your deal?

918
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say is, you know, they

919
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: they are authoritarians and they're very fragile, like they're they

920
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: are so sensitive. It reminds me some of the way

921
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: the Trump people operate, Like with this trying to you know,

922
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: the James Talerico interview and that whole situation. It's like,

923
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: by taking this heavy handed approach, you are you are

924
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: undermining the very thing that you're trying to accomplish.

925
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 8: Like now people are going to be even more interested.

926
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: In the Tucker Huckabee interview and what was said and

927
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: how that all went down. You they clearly have no

928
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: understanding of the strivesiand effect. But the other thing is

929
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: that their whole tactic is just to like scare people

930
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: and bully people, so that whether it's those journalists or

931
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: other journalists who hear of this story and don't want

932
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: to be harassed in ben Gurian Airport and decide, you

933
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: know what, I'm just going to leave this one alone.

934
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 8: I'm not going to do it.

935
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that really is ultimately the goal here, because

936
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: the interview was already done.

937
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 8: There's no going back.

938
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: Now, maybe you can scare them into like editing some

939
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: part down, but I know highly doubt that that is

940
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: going to be the case. They've already got it like that.

941
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: You know, they're already out of the country. It's it's

942
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: dune fine.

943
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I know them. They immediately uploaded it to the cloud

944
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: and got it. Yeah possible.

945
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

946
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: So the idea is like for future journalists to look

947
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: at this and be, you know, like, yeah, maybe this

948
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: is just.

949
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 8: Not really worth it.

950
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

951
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you I'm never going back there.

952
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: Let's put Huckabee's tweet up there on the screen. Hate defense.

953
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: By the way, this this is the humiliation ritual. Everyone

954
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: who comes out of Israel has passports checked and rech

955
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: temly asked security questions. Even me going in and out

956
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 3: with diplomatic passport, he goes even I the United States

957
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: ambassador and harassed going in out of this country. That's

958
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: how great this country is. You should be humiliated.

959
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 8: We're like, that's how cucked we are, right exactly, I'm

960
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 8: to be harassed, thank you.

961
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, so the US ambassador even this question, like,

962
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: oh whoa, We're not doing that over here. We pay

963
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: for your shit, mister. I cannot believe that this is

964
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: what happened. It's also funny all these all these other people,

965
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: They're like, guys, this is totally routine. When I flew

966
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: into Israel, I was also detained and harassed and my

967
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: staff was questioned. I'm like, uh, and nobody else seems

968
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: to have a problem with that, Like, what are you

969
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: talking about? Wow?

970
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: I just I can't believe it. I'm looking forward to

971
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the interview.

972
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: Uh, specifically, why mister Huckabee allowed a convicted spy Jonathan

973
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: Pollard to come into his embassy on set foot on

974
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: US soil, literally a trader to the United States of America.

975
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: I believe that that beef is what set everything off here. Yeah,

976
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: Mike Hakabee, So we'll see. We'll see here for another

977
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: Ted Cruz moment.

978
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 8: Sure we're likely to cover it here on the show,

979
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 8: so I can tune for that.

980
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Wait to see this one. Okay, let's get to Wexner.

981
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: Let's turn now to Leslie Wexner. But before we even

982
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 3: get to that major breaking news as of this morning,

983
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and put this up here on the screen.

984
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew or I guess the Prince formerly known as

985
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: Or Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew Mount Batton, Windsor,

986
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: has now been arrested in the United Kingdom of suspicion

987
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: of misconduct in public office. King Charles says the law

988
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: must take its course, refusing to even name him as

989
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: his own brother, and saying that he respects the police

990
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: in their in their current investigation and they're ruthless.

991
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

992
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm loving every second of this entire thing quote. As

993
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: part of this investigation, we have today arrested a man

994
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: in his sixties from Norfolk on suspicion suspicion of misconduct

995
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: and public office, and are carrying out searches at addresses

996
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: in Berkshire and Norfolk.

997
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: The man remains in.

998
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: Public custody at this time. We will not be naming

999
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: the arrested man per national guidance. Please also remember this

1000
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: case is now active and should be taken with any

1001
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 3: publication to avoid being in contempt of court.

1002
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: So this is very different rules there in the UK.

1003
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: But basically the King later confirmed this morning that Prince

1004
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 3: Andrew had been taken into custody. And there may be

1005
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: some misunderstanding about this whole thing Prince Andrew is currently

1006
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: being investigated, not necessarily for his conduct horrific conduct previously

1007
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: with the pictures of him with the women in Virginia Guffrey, etc.

1008
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: And remember, you know, he maintains his innocence. It's about

1009
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: the shared information that he sent Epstein which was in

1010
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: the files. Remember he was the trade advisor to the

1011
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 3: UK and he was sharing sensitive documents including his schedule

1012
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: and other inside information with Epstein that is open clearcut

1013
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: and a violation of his official duties which he was

1014
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: doing at the time. That's what he's under investigation for.

1015
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: In addition, this is part of the Lord MANDELSSHN investigation

1016
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: too for insider trading, for stock manipulation, for you know,

1017
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: basically going after telling Jamie Diamond to try and blackmail

1018
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: the Chancellor at the time. Like that's the criminality that

1019
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: we're dealing with. Not to mention Prince Andrew, what is

1020
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: an ex wife, Sarah Ferguson and all of her dealings

1021
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: with Epstein.

1022
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's happening right now.

1023
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: So there's a deep this goes deep in the British

1024
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: aristocracy all the way up to the Prince. I was

1025
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: telling you, Prince Andrew is now the first royal in

1026
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: four hundred years to be arrested. The last one was

1027
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 3: King Charles the First in sixteen forty seven during the

1028
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: English Civil War, who was then executed some two years later.

1029
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: So I would like to see some old Lindy justice here.

1030
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, well, I mean the while, I think

1031
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 2: the interesting part is, like you said that, what they're

1032
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: going after him for, the thing that is most concrete

1033
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: is abusing the public trust by sending the sensitive information.

1034
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: And it is very much like Mandelson appears to have

1035
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: been up to as well and is now under investigation

1036
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: for two and so you know, we've heard all this

1037
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: nonsense in the US about there's nothing here that's prosecutable,

1038
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: there's nothing here to investigate. It does seem like this

1039
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: sort of either abuse of public trust or insider you know,

1040
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: insider trading. That is one of the avenues that could

1041
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: be the most clear cut in terms of legal consequences.

1042
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: But you know, I think it's easy to forget because

1043
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: we're very American centric that Gleayne Maxwell first was she's British, Like.

1044
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: She's a British social upper crust. Yeah, I mean the

1045
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: elite of the elite.

1046
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: The Epstein class of the UK, and so you know

1047
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: she had deep ties in elite society within the UK,

1048
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: and so there is massive fallout there, including you know, Keerstarmer,

1049
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: who already was deeply unpopular. He brought Mandelssohn into his

1050
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: government at a time when this hadn't happened, hadn't all

1051
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: come out, but it was known that he had had

1052
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: some level of close Epstein contact, and you know he had.

1053
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: He has now been caught in a lie. Andrew's been

1054
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: caught in a lie, Fergy's been caught in a lie.

1055
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: They all have been caught at this point in lying

1056
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: about the nature and the extent of their relationship with Epstein.

1057
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: So people are rightly saying, like, you knew that this

1058
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: guy was in league with Jeffrey Epstein when you chose

1059
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: to bring him into your government. So this has really,

1060
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: you know, really created a massive crisis for him at

1061
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: a time when he was already politically weak with the popelas.

1062
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: It's a huge deal. Like I said, I mean, the

1063
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: first royal to be arrested. So I was joking to

1064
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: you Crystal this morning, I go, it doesn't feel right

1065
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: to prosecute a prince like it's just it's like modernity

1066
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: catching up with royalty. I think he should be banished, exiled,

1067
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: married off against his will, hillaried in the Trafalgar Square,

1068
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: reduced to rags in a stockade, and then everybody, everybody,

1069
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: like businessmen on their way to work at eight am

1070
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: in the morning of housewives can come and heckle and

1071
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: throw rotten tomatoes at him.

1072
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Like that's what they that's what we need to see. Midievo.

1073
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: Why have a king in a royal in the first place.

1074
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. So if we're gonna do it, then let's

1075
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: do it. Let's do it right the Tower of London.

1076
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, if you're there, you can do the you

1077
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: can do the tourism liked for the Tower of London,

1078
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: like put him in there, you know, lock him up

1079
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: and let all the tourists parade pass. Some Chinese people

1080
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: could take selfies, so you're.

1081
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: Basically arguing that they get the benefit of the archaic

1082
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: tradition without having to deal with the archaic you know punishments.

1083
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 8: Yea, exactly.

1084
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Speaker 1: It's if we're going to look at it, if.

1085
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: We have the crown and the robes and the velvet

1086
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: and the carriages and the palaces, and then we need

1087
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: the other part, right, that was the interesting part for

1088
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: the masses.

1089
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: So look, I'm not British, you know, sometimes I wish

1090
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: I was.

1091
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: But if I was, if I was a brit this

1092
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: is what I would be demanding.

1093
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: I want pillary, I want reduced to rags.

1094
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: But now, originally we were going to talk about the

1095
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: Wexner story. Let's go ahead and start with that. See one.

1096
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: This is unbelievable. So for those of you who don't

1097
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: know Leslie Wexner, he was the victorious secret billionaire, was

1098
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: the source in many ways of Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. In

1099
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, he signs over power of attorney. He

1100
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: eventually sells him the townhouse for a sweetheart deal, transfers

1101
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: significant amounts of his assets, doesn't break ties with him

1102
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: until two thousand and seven. He was interviewed under oath

1103
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: yesterday by members of the House Oversight Committee, and he

1104
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: has now testified under oath that neither the FBI nor

1105
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: the DOJ has ever sought to question him regarding Epstein.

1106
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: Let that sink in.

1107
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: This is despite victims publicly alleging his involvement an FBI

1108
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: document that names him as a co conspirator.

1109
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: He literally is the source.

1110
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: Of this entire thing, not to mention his modeling stuff

1111
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: with Victoria's secret the properties in Ohio, as Ryan and

1112
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: dropside of revealed, the Iran Contra planes that landed at

1113
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: the Leslie Wexner base, which are then brokeer. I mean,

1114
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: this is unbelievable, and this is the bigger sign to

1115
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: me of a cover up than anything, because you're getting

1116
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: named as a.

1117
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: Co conspirator in the document.

1118
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 3: You're a literally a billionaire, the source of his entire wealth.

1119
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: Numerous victims and others are alleging Wexner involvement or wex

1120
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: you know. And again to be clear for his lawyers,

1121
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: he denies literally all criminality. His statement, which we have

1122
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: some of here on the screen put C two up here,

1123
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: is that he was duped by Epstein. He says that

1124
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: Epstein was a con man, that he conned him, and

1125
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: that he stole vast sums of money from Wexner over

1126
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: the years, and that you know, he's an unfortunate victim

1127
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: in all of this. So I do want to be

1128
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 3: clear that he literally denies all wrongdoing. He didn't know

1129
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: anything about trafficking, never visited the island according to him,

1130
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff that he's put out on

1131
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: the record from his statement. But it is just absolutely

1132
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: insane that he's never been interviewed, considering what we know

1133
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: in the files from the co conspirator original document to

1134
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: all of the other allegations and the information between the two.

1135
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: I mean, at the very least, interview him about how

1136
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: Epstein allegedly stole from him. That's a crime, that's embezzlement. Embezzlement,

1137
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: that's true, Or.

1138
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: Never filed suit against Hide and never complained about that

1139
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: publicly until now that you know, Miad did complain about it,

1140
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: but until became uncomfortable for him. That's kind of interesting, no,

1141
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: I mean, even just from the financial entanglement perspective, this

1142
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: is the man you wouldn't want to talk to.

1143
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 8: Of course, well, I mean he's the one thing.

1144
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: He gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his whole

1145
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: financial empire.

1146
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 8: I mean, it's insane.

1147
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: Drop Site had a great report where you know, the

1148
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: philanthropic arm of what Wexner was up to, which, by

1149
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: the way, they were some of the largest donors to

1150
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: pro Zionist causes, and exactly right and you know there

1151
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: they conducted a review. Oh how involved was Epstein and

1152
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: oh really he wasn't involved at all? Well drop site,

1153
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: you know reported out was not true at all. He

1154
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: was directing the whole thing.

1155
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1156
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: Anytime a question would come out, should we do this

1157
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: or should we do that, they would reply, ask Jeffrey,

1158
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: Check with Jeffrey.

1159
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 8: He was running the show there.

1160
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 2: And so at the very least you would want to know, okay,

1161
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: like why were you persuaded to hand over power of

1162
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: attorney to this man? How much money did he have

1163
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: control over? Let's talk about the sale of the mansion,

1164
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: what exactly went down there? What do you know about

1165
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: any of this? And then when you add into that,

1166
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: you know one of the first accuser, I think the

1167
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: first accuser to come for Maria Farmer. Back in the nineties,

1168
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: she alleges that she was sexually assaulted at New Albany, which.

1169
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 8: Is Wexner's whole town that he built.

1170
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: At Epstein's house in New Albany, which again she says,

1171
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: the security there were all Wexner security. She had to

1172
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: ask Wexner's wife whether or not she could leave. She

1173
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: had to get permission to be able to leave. So

1174
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: there is more than enough there, which just goes to

1175
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: show you. I mean, there clearly was some investigation that

1176
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: was done. We know Wexner was named as one of

1177
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: the potential co conspirators who is being investigated. So the

1178
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: fact that this all gets closed up and he never

1179
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: gets charged with anything without even being interviewed is so

1180
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: incredibly wild. That is a stunning That is a stunning revelation.

1181
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: And you know, it just speaks to also the incompleteness

1182
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: of the documents that we've been given access to. We

1183
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: talked earlier in the week about how it looks like

1184
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: it may just be about two percent of the existing

1185
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: files that the government actually has in its possession that

1186
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: have been revealed to the public. So you know, it

1187
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: shines the spotlight on the vast trove of questions that

1188
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: remain a vast amount of information that we still do

1189
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: not have access to.

1190
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's so unbelievable that this is

1191
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: the I mean it is too Also, Wexner's eighty eight

1192
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: years old. I mean, he can claim all sorts of

1193
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: things now. At this point when it mattered, he was

1194
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: completely you know, i mean, never never questioned. Is insane

1195
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: and he's testifying.

1196
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: This under oath. Maybe he's lying.

1197
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: I guess possible. Somebody needs to prove it. Then they

1198
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: should prosecute him for perjury. If that's the case.

1199
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 8: I don't I don't think.

1200
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I think I believe him.

1201
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it be the sort of thing that the

1202
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: government could very easily check him on, right, you know,

1203
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: And so it would be it wouldn't be a smart

1204
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: lie to pursue because it would be so easily debunked.

1205
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: It's so crazy.

1206
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: Let's continue when we're talking about foreign investigations, Let's put

1207
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: C six up here.

1208
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: This is very.

1209
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: Interesting, and I've been talking about this more recently. This

1210
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: is about Jean Luke Brunell, who again was one of

1211
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: these modeling agency conduits for Jeffrey Epstein. The Wall Street

1212
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: Journal reports that the accomplice who was going to testify

1213
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: against Epstein then went dark. Jean Luke Brunell was actually

1214
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: negotiating to provide prosecutors with evidence against Epstein in two

1215
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: thousand and six, three years before he was arrested, but

1216
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: ultimately backed out. Basically, he was considering working with Epstein

1217
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: victims who were suing the Epstein estate while Epstein was

1218
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: still alive at the time, Epstein was negotiating with Brunell

1219
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: via Kathy Rumbler and a few other people, where allegedly

1220
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: Brunell wanted like three million dollars to shut up, and

1221
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: it seems that the investigation didn't go anywhere. Now, remember though,

1222
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: what ends up happening is that Brunell goes to prison

1223
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: in France and actually dies again, you know, allegedly by suicide.

1224
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 8: So you can see hanging death cameras didn't work.

1225
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: And just so you guys know, they're currently reopening the

1226
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: investigation in France after the release of these Epstein files,

1227
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: and you can see that.

1228
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: Look, there's obviously a pattern. John mc Brunell.

1229
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he has been accused of some of the

1230
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: most heinous stuff and I mean, you know, you need

1231
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: a tough stomach if you want to go and read

1232
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: some of the things that those two used to reminisce

1233
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: and to talk about. But it's the same relationship that

1234
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: we're talking about here, modeling agency, key conduit, potential cooperation

1235
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: against Epstein, goes away, gets arrested, dies by suicide in

1236
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 3: a cell.

1237
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Emily's been surfacing some of the emails from the young

1238
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: women who were promised this life of oh, we're going

1239
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: to help you with your modeling career, and the way

1240
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: that they were completely member. Those are one of the

1241
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: emails in particular, says it seems like the only piece

1242
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: that you we're serious about was me being your mistress.

1243
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: And so you know, and you've got a track or

1244
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: sort of emails of Epstein effectively like grooming these girl,

1245
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: coaching them on how what they should say around these

1246
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: powerful men. They're being effectively pawned off to this man

1247
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: or that man as you know, sort of currency in

1248
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: Epstein's relationship with them. So the modeling pipeline is a

1249
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: really important one. Now, the specific allegations against John luke bernow,

1250
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: like you said, are just utterly heinous. I mean, one

1251
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: allegation is that he provided Epstein with I think it

1252
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: was thirteen year old twins, provided him with thirteen year

1253
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: old twins as a birthday present. Clearly his modeling agency,

1254
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: which you know was a it was a real modeling agency,

1255
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: quote unquote, that this was really used as a core

1256
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: part of trafficking girls and young women to Epstein as

1257
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: part of you know, his web of abuse. So yeah,

1258
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the revelation that he was considering cooperating,

1259
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: and then he walks away, and then he ends up

1260
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: in prison, and then he ends up dead under very

1261
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: strange circumstances. You know, there's a lot there. I recommend

1262
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: people read the piece too, because some of the exchanges

1263
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: here are very very enlightening about the way that Epstein

1264
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: operated to and the type of like threats and manipulation

1265
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: that he engaged in as well. You know the other piece.

1266
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: Let's put C four up on the screen.

1267
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: So the.

1268
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: UN's UN experts are saying that the allegations in the

1269
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: Epstein files could amount to crimes against humanity. And I

1270
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: just want you to contrast this reaction, and this is

1271
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: from independent experts, a pointed by the UN Human Rights Council.

1272
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 8: Can trust this reaction.

1273
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 2: With what we've been fed here in the US, which

1274
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: is that this is completely exonerating. To Trump, that's what

1275
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: he says, that it's you know that there's nothing to see,

1276
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: there's nothing prosecutable, that there's no further even investigation that

1277
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: is worth pursuing. And then when you have you know,

1278
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: new investigations open in France, you have former Prince Andrew

1279
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: arrested in the UK, a total political crisis in the UK.

1280
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: There are other foreign officials who have lost their jobs.

1281
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: Corporate America. Actually, there has been some fallout from you know,

1282
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: Kathy Rummler lost her job. There's been some fallout there

1283
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: in corporate America.

1284
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: Any firm here, Yeah, that's right, it's crazy, like these

1285
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: are very rich.

1286
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 8: Had to step away.

1287
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, look, let's not chet us

1288
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: here for they're all keeping their money. They're all going

1289
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: to be fine. But at least there was some level

1290
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: of social consequence. The political class here escapes utterly unscathed.

1291
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: And so, you know, to go back to this UN report,

1292
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: they said crimes outline and documents released by the USDOJ

1293
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: were committed against a backdrop of supremacist beliefs, racism, corruption,

1294
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: and extreme misogyny. They said the crimes showed a commodification

1295
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: and dehumanization of women and girls.

1296
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 8: I mean, that's just undeniably true.

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Speaker 2: So grave is the scale, nature, systematic character, and transnational

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Speaker 2: reach of these atrocities against women and girls. Number of

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Speaker 2: them may reasonably meet the legal threshold of crimes against humanity,

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Speaker 2: the experts said in a statement. So you know, this

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Speaker 2: is how they are evaluating what is seen there. So

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Speaker 2: when you're looking at this and you're horrified and disgusted

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Speaker 2: and appalled and outrage that there has been effectively no accountability.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the one person who's in prison for this

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Speaker 2: right now is Galaine Maxwell, and she's getting the cushiest

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Speaker 2: treatment you could possibly imagine and has the possibility even

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Speaker 2: of getting a pardon from this president. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you're appalled by that, just know that you're not insane.

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Speaker 2: Other you know, independent experts are looking at this are like, yes,

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Speaker 2: this is utterly appalling, like degrading, horrifying and massive, you know,

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Speaker 2: massive in terms of scope and reach. This behavior is

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Speaker 2: so appalling that we think it could reach the scale

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Speaker 2: of crimes against humanity. So just you know, an astonishing

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Speaker 2: result there. And so it's I get. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad to see that some of the accountabiit that's happening

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Speaker 2: in other countries.

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Speaker 8: But it does just make you realize how utterly.

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Speaker 2: Without accountability and what utter impunity the political class here,

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Speaker 2: the Epstein class here in the United States, and and

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Speaker 2: even you know, the corporate America reckoning. It's not like

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Speaker 2: any of them are having charged boot against them. It's

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Speaker 2: not like any of them are taking anything other than

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Speaker 2: like a temporary reputational hit ultimately.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so look, everybody stick with it. These are just

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Speaker 3: the latest and unfortunately, uh it does seem that other

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Speaker 3: countries are going to do much more than our country

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Speaker 3: to actually look into and hold accountable anyone in public

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Speaker 3: life who had anything to do with this. So anyways,

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Speaker 3: that's it's a tragic story, I guess, but maybe a

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Speaker 3: hopeful one. Maybe we can get to that. Maybe if

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Speaker 3: somebody runs on holding these people accountable, then they'll have

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Speaker 3: to do it if they do come into office, but

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Speaker 3: somebody already did though, and now this happened, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: kind of a black feeling.

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Speaker 2: We need a little bit more credibility this time and

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Speaker 2: then you know whoever's going to take that direction. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've made them to not be themselves a direct member

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: I've really wondered about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how do you you know? I've seen how

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Speaker 3: many presidents have promised I'm not talking about EPCCE, but

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Speaker 3: generally on certain things come into office, turn on a dime,

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Speaker 3: and we just fall for it every single time. Why

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Speaker 3: do we always fall for and believe, maybe because we

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Speaker 3: want to that it'll be different. It's it's always the

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Speaker 3: same man, And I'm like, can we do something different? Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you need a total shake up

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Speaker 3: in the whole system.

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Speaker 2: But again, what people, that is what people we thought

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Speaker 2: we were trying that, right, I mean, I don't even that,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of people did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're talking about let's talk about Obama. How many

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Speaker 3: people thought that?

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Speaker 1: I thought it?

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Speaker 3: Didn't you A lot of people did two thousand and

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Speaker 3: eight hope change Iraq? Like we thought a whole new

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Speaker 3: thing was coming to a lot of people thought about

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Speaker 3: Clinton too, new guy, baby boomer, I never seen that before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me just say I think the most

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Speaker 2: important thing to look for is you have to look

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Speaker 2: at who the funders are. You have to scratch one

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Speaker 2: layer deeper than the rhetoric can say. Okay, well who

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Speaker 2: but who is actually like who is actually jacking this candidacy?

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Speaker 2: Because if you are, you know, like go with Obama.

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Speaker 2: The red flag was all the Wall Street guys loved him.

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Speaker 2: They funded his campaign to the hill, you know, and

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Speaker 2: he so that's that's who, ultimately, you know, was really

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Speaker 2: running the show in terms of his administration.