WEBVTT - Confluence of Destruction 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.439 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:24.720 this week, I am having several conversations with folks who 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.240 are trying to help us understand a few things, which 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:35.479 is this, how do we fight against a political party 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.760 that has decided that the rules no longer apply, that 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.159 the norms that we have all agreed upon for centuries 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:50.559 no longer have the foundation and consent of every citizen 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.120 of this country. How do you fight back against people 0:00:54.480 --> 0:01:05.320 who are becoming increasingly extreme using every disgusting word, playbook 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.440 strategy that they can get their hands on. I listened 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:17.360 this week to a clip of Perdue in Georgia, who 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.320 is going to most likely be facing off against Stacy 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.000 Abrams for the governorship along with Brian Kemp, but we're 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.880 not being troubled with him at the moment. Purdue, in 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:35.199 an interview said about Stacy Abrams that if she doesn't 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.319 like the way that things are, she should quote go 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.240 back to where she came from. Where would that be 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:50.640 exactly Wisconsin where she was born. Because when you say 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.600 things like go back to your country, which, by the way, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.920 soft plug for my co host of Democracy Ish. That 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.080 is the title of his book, go Back to Where 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.840 You came From. When you say things like that, what 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.840 exactly are you saying? You are saying, in fact, that 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:13.280 black and brown people are not from here, right, that 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.200 we do not belong and so they are before we 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.760 should go back to where we came from. Funny enough, though, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.640 white people were not fucking born here. And that's the 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:28.440 thing that I get so frustrated about when we talk 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:34.080 about curriculum and education and they're pushback against critical race theory, 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.200 which by the way, is not taught in K through 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.680 twelve schooling, but the very idea and concept that they 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.239 don't even know their own fucking history right, which is 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.560 built on lies, the gas lighting of their exceptionalism and 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.760 them alone and the degradation of everyone else. So when 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.920 you have built up an entire public education system that 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:02.720 is about perpetuating those lies, you have a fucking Purdue 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.040 and the Republican Party that comes out of their mouth 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.200 with hot trash like go back to where you came 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:16.600 from because they don't understand or care about the founding 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.840 of this country. Then indigenous Native people, whom they nearly 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.079 wiped off the map, which is exactly what they're trying 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.799 to do now. I want us to piece together and 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.040 begin to do what the mainstream media doesn't do, which 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.760 is connect all of these dots. These are not isolated 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.080 statements or isolated scenarios like the massacre that happened in Buffalo. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.600 These are not things that are happening in isolation. They 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.560 are part of a coordinated plan and entity to in 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:55.240 fact run people either out of this country or to 0:03:55.320 --> 0:04:01.560 have them live under certain threat and fear. We'll have 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:06.040 a conversation later in the week with a doctor Brittany Cooper, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.400 which I will tell you that when I finished that interview, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.080 I felt invigorated, and I haven't felt invigorated, as I've 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.640 said to all of you over the past couple of days, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:23.479 because I'm feeling really depressed, defeated, and like I'm a 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.159 part of the losing team, and I don't like to lose. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:33.400 But the Democrats are showing absolutely no ability to even 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.080 create a plan to see us out of the dire 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.560 situation that we are in. And Britney Cooper laid out 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.520 the truth as a historian. She'll tell us later in 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.479 the week that look I don't see a way out 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.880 of this where violence is not a part of the equation. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.839 And so if we can see things like that, right 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.520 and see that these iterations of what happened in Buffalo, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:03.560 what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, what happened in Charlottesville, what 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.680 happened in Charleston, when you see these things and what 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.359 happened in our passo, and we can continue to list 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:18.279 on because the amount of racially hate motivated crimes that 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.680 have been happening in this country, and according to many reports, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.280 the FBI had a report twelve years ago that told 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.640 us that all of this was coming. And do you 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.000 know what they decided to do shelve it? And why 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.520 did they decide to do that? Oh, let me tell you, well, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.680 it has everything to do with politics, because you see, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.040 Democrats continually want to operate from the place that if 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:50.040 we are not using our power for the benefit of 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.680 the people that actually put us in power, if we 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.440 seem as if we're willing to come to the table 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.680 and essentially negotiate on the backs of the very people 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.240 who put us in office, and we don't ruffle too 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.520 many feathers, then when Republicans take control they'll be nice 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:13.599 to us. That was the thinking when the report was 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:19.320 first surfaced, where it said, hmm, there's a rise in 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.919 white extremist terrorists, violence, and groups and they are linked 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.520 to the Republican Party. Well, Republicans didn't like that, and 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.599 neither did the Obama administration, because the Obama administration thought 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.840 that if they just ignored the threats that were on 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.680 the horizon, then they could get some GOP members to 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.600 vote for healthcare. Well, we all know how that turned out. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.159 And so now we're in this situation again, not just 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:55.040 because of Republicans lies and their desire to shelf this report. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.640 That would literally have provided a pathway for us on 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.920 how we I don't know, developed task force and teams 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.080 or do what the Department of Justice has decided so 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:12.400 quickly to do with regard to Russia and the oligarchs. Oh, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.360 we put together a quick task force, and we're seizing 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.720 yachts and we're doing all of these things. Look at 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.680 us busy and fighting for democracy. Maybe had somebody not 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.120 taken the FBI's White Supremacy report and shelved it, maybe 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.400 there would have been task force and teams that were 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.920 put in place that had begun to infiltrate and break 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.280 up these groups and begin to arrest these people instead 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:42.320 of allowing them to grow into the fucking federal movement 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:49.280 that they are right now. Folks, it is the place 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.080 that we are in. With the more conversations that I 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.160 have each and every week with some of our friends 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:00.680 like doctor Jonathan Metzo, who has done and as he 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.720 will tell us coming up next thirty seven interviews Jonathan 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.160 did last week as the author of Dying of Whiteness, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.520 has been going on show after show after show because 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.040 he thinks that it is his duty to explain to America, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.480 to the world the dire place that we are in, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:26.200 and that if Democrats don't begin to use the power 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.679 that they have for the limited amount of time, because 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.600 we are running out of time. We are running up 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.959 against midterms in less than six months at this point, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.880 that if we do not use that power, we are done. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:46.559 It isn't just hyperbole. These are historians and professors and 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.440 activists and leaders that are all echoing the same thing. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:56.640 You've listened to Glenn Kirshner every week. Tell us that 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.959 you know, if the Department of Justice does not make 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.240 moves in terms of indictments and accountability and responsibility for 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.880 the insurrection in the next five to six months. Then 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.600 I'm not sure what happens to our democracy and where 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.320 we go. I have asked many of people, there is 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.559 there a country that we can point to that is 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.520 lost democracy and then been able to gain it back 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:27.200 within the same generation, And the answer is no. So 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.720 what does that mean then for us? What does it 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.079 mean then that the mainstream media continues to talk about 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.720 the Republican Party as if they are a normal political 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.960 party and as if this midterm cycle that we are 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:46.040 up against is somehow Oh DEM's lose, will get another 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.800 bite at the apple in two years. These people just 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.599 listen to their candidates right now. I talked yesterday, But 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:01.120 the candidates in their guns, babies and god. These are 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.520 the things that you would see in like twelfth century 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:12.040 the religious Christian wars. This is what these people are 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.880 readying themselves for. And we're all as Democrats the establishment, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.959 I should say, because not you, but the establishment is 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.199 just sitting around as if oh, it's all just the 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:30.920 people on the fringe. No. If you watched just a 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.160 few minutes of the debate in Pennsylvania for the Republicans 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.800 vying for the Senate seat. There, you would have heard 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.760 some of the most vile things that five, six, seven 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.920 years ago would have never made it to anybody's main stage, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.880 let alone on anyone's ballot. But now you have to 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:58.440 be as vicious, as racist, as misogynistic as possible. You 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.320 have to be like the governor of Oklahoma who's saying, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.200 you're having a baby, whether you watch it or not, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.960 whether or not your life is on the line, we 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.280 don't give a damn. But we certainly certainly are not 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.360 going to provide you with baby formula. We're certainly not 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.160 going to provide you with a childcare tax credit, We're 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.439 certainly not going to provide you with universal pre k 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:28.720 any of those things whatsoever. But where are Democrats in 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.240 terms of their pushback? I keep hearing folks say that, oh, yeah, well, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.360 women are really going to come out in mass for midterms. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:43.920 Well here's the thing, Black and brown women been coming out. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.520 They vote over ninety of the fucking time. So is 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.640 your hope, then, is our hope and prayer on the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.720 Karen's of the world coming to leave their Republican husbands 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.439 and then decide that the Democratic Party is the party 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.720 they want to stick with, because that sounds like we're 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:06.360 putting a lot of hopes and dreams on a whole 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.600 bunch of finger waving Karen's that can't be fucking trusted. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.760 There has to be another plan. And what I'm beginning 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.760 to see by virtue of all of the conversations that 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.840 we've been having over the last couple of months on 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.160 woke AF is that I think that we are our 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.960 only plan. That it's going to be left up to 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:35.480 the people because where the establishment is going is not 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.880 the direction that the people are going. And what pisses 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.000 me off is that those motherfuckers will remain safe and 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.120 okay for a certain amount of time before their Republican 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.080 colleagues from across the aisle decide to throw their asses 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.880 in jail and they become political prisoners when Republicans take over. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.280 But they don't think that could ever possibly happen. I 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.240 want us to start living in what we think could 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.080 never happen, so that we're not caught off guard, because 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.960 right now you have a democratic party that is just 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.560 looking up in the air wondering how the fuck we 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:15.040 got here, And I'm saying you've been institutionalized in Congress 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.120 for decades. You all should have seen this coming, and 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.320 you're still sitting around acting shocked. That's the fucking problem. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.199 None of this should have been a shock. Five decades. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.160 Republicans have been trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. Since 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.360 the end of the Civil War. They've been trying to 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:40.439 refight relitigate the Civil War. And so now a confluence 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:46.400 of perfect events bring us to this moment. And we 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.320 have a political party that is supposedly in charge right 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:54.560 now but has no idea what direction to point the 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:59.680 country in. And to me, that's terrifying. We rely on 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.240 these people to be our voices and our representatives and 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:07.640 they don't know which way is up Coming Up next, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:12.400 dear friends, my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Matzol 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:20.360 talking all about his premonitions around dying of whiteness. It's 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.040 no secret that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. Thankfully, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.960 there's The Bituation Room podcast hosted by comedian and commentator 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.160 Francesca Freer and Tiny for a lighter take on the 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.760 heavy stuff. 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I think I heard 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.200 in the Georgia race Perdue, who will most likely face 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.480 off against Stacy Abrams say if she does unlike it, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.600 he or she can go back to where she came from. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.840 We have a case of a white man in I 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.320 believe it was Wisconsin who was just sentenced to ten 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.720 years in jail. What was his crime throwing acid on 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.160 a Latin X man in his face because he said, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:25.600 you're coming to replace us. We have so many of 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.560 these incidents, none of them are being connected in the 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:35.040 mainstream media to say, Wow, this Republican party, this climate 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.960 that we are living in is becoming increasingly violent and extreme. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.280 What do you make of this, Jonathan, particularly at a 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.280 time when the FBI will see Blower who said ten 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.360 twelve years ago, white extremist violence is growing in this country. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.840 We need to have a plan for it. And it 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.600 was shelved, and that was shelved by the way during 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:05.240 the Obama administration. So how do we move forward? How 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.919 do we how do we how do we even we 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.840 can't even move forward because I don't even think we 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:13.480 recognize what we're sitting in. Yeah, it feels like it's 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.800 I mean The thing is, like, it's not surprising if 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.400 you if you think about the history of the history 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.440 of America, right, I mean, it's very consistent with other 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:29.840 times in history. It's other it's very consistent with pre 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.520 Civil rights era America. And so I feel like, in 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:37.040 one way, we're reverting back to so much of the 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.520 world order that was shaped, you know, for in globally 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.640 after the Second World War, in America, after the Civil 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.360 Rights era and the and the women's rights movement, we're 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.200 kind of reverting back to what things were like before that, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.040 and so all of this stuff. It feels just with 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:56.119 no disrespect to the white supremacist listeners of this show, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.040 so many of them. So it just feels it feels 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.080 so uncreative. If it's like that, you know, that's that's 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.280 what you got. Like, it just seems like whatever. So 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.040 maybe there's some genetic mutation or something just leads to 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.159 expression of whiteness in this particular way or something. I 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.639 don't know it's but it just feels so ah historical 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.440 in a certain kind of way. And I guess part 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.199 of the issue for me is, as you know, my 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:24.080 argument always is if you don't change the structures that 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.160 I mean, there's always going to be people with these 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.320 kind of views. But unless you change structures in ways 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.760 that reward equity and collaboration and disincentivize this kind of 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.000 racial resentment austerity, you're just going you just keep replying it. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:45.120 And unfortunately those structures seem to be so deeply deeply 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.760 I don't know, things are really structurally bad right now, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.520 and I think we're seeing a reflection of it. And 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.800 so part of the issue is we have these extreme 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.600 issues that are on the news, and maybe the media 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.920 should do a better job of connecting them. But I've 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.560 I've had a crazy week, man, I've had I did 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.680 thirty seven media interviews last week after the Buffalo shooting, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.960 and I did everything from I did the crazy c 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.440 Span across America for an hour last Friday morning. I've 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.400 did MSNBC, I did a lot of like different kind 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.640 of calling shows, and you kind of hear from people 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.000 around the country, and I guess the issue is not 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.920 so much. I mean, definitely these massive things that make 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:30.119 the news, but it's also like people's everyday opinions about 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.679 things are so much I mean, I just I just 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.960 got like nine hundred calls about stop saying white supremacy, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.880 it makes me feel bad, and all these kind of things, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.680 and so where it's kind of like there's a kind 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.920 of backlash against any kind of racial progress right now 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.240 in this country that I find to be even in 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:52.440 some ways even more frightening than these horrifying but somewhat 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.280 isolated extremeist attack So let me let me ask this, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.119 because you know, you do do a ton of media, 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.960 and unfortunately, every time something horrible happens, whether it's a 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.280 mass shooting as was the case in Buffalo, if it 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.040 is a mass shooting that is directly a hate crime 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:15.119 as was Buffalo, you're the one that people call because 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.240 whenever there's a manifesto about white supremacy, it's like doo 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.840 doo, doo doo doo doo, dying of whiteness. What are the questions, however, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:29.160 that the media is asking. Is it about unpacking where 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.560 we are or is it the continuation to sensationalize it? 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.359 Because what I feel, Jonathan, is that at this stage 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.680 of the game where we are, the media is absolutely 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.920 complicit in the violence that I see happening. And so 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.000 I want to know from you, as going on all 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.240 of these shows, what is the thread that you would 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.880 say is part of the questioning towards you. It's important 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.919 to be having these conversations, and I don't want to 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.280 discount the importance of kind of public recognition and awareness. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.400 But I also sometimes push back even on myself, even 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.320 on my own participation in this, because what more do 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.920 you need than a guy who wrote a one hundred 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:14.320 eighty page manifesto and posted it online. It's not like 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.639 there aren't connections that aren't made. It's more like, what 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.640 what are you going to do about it? In a way, 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.600 And so I just don't want to overstate the power 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.000 of the media, Like the media can expose and they 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.280 can make connections, and they can do all these things, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.719 but if it's not tied to like a viable um, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.240 don't I don't. I don't blame the media as much 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.119 as I do like the Democratic Party, for example. So 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.800 tell it, but tell me why, because I blame the 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.960 Democratic Party as well, But I have equal blame that 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.000 is associated with the two of them. What is the 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.400 differentiation that you see. We're not living in an era 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.480 where like shame motivates people like we can call that, 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.199 we can call things out, expose it, throw shade on 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.440 it do whatever we want all day, but that just 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:08.560 makes people more um embedded in their positions sometimes. But 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:13.520 I do think, like, for example, there's a massively important 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:18.720 election in Georgia today, for example, we're getting We're getting 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.200 massively outvoted, and I realize we don't have a there's 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:27.080 no conflict on the on the Democratic side, but who's 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.520 the Democratic candidate in Georgia for the secretary of State 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.000 or the election officials or things like that, Like the 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:38.200 Republicans are swarming toward these election officials, and I feel 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.080 like it's got to lead to like massive mobilization of 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.679 whatever political apparatus we have. And I realized we have 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.919 the best person in front, Stacey Abrahams to do that, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.280 and maybe November will be the two testing ground. But 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:55.080 I feel like we can yell and scream and expose 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:56.679 as much as we can, but it's got to be 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.359 tied to like some bigger strategy toward something right. And 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.560 I just don't I don't know what our strategy is. 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.840 I see the other side getting really worked up, and 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.320 of course there's this extremist violence at the at the 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.840 tip of the iceberg, but beneath it is like a 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.439 massive effort to mobilize in all these top to bottom 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.919 elections and take over the apparatus of democracy. And I 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.720 don't see a counter strategy really that's going to get 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.359 people out to recognize like what's the role of the 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.399 Secretary of State in Georgia for example, or something like that. 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.600 And so I've been I've been reading a lot of 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.400 these focus groups recently, and people don't understand the democratic message. 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.639 And people don't think it's just like, oh, protect democracy 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.440 or Trump or you know, something like that. It's it's 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.120 I don't know, there's got to be some unifying, mobilizing 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.560 message that counters the Republican's message. So that to me 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.280 is even I mean it's not like I'm comparing or 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.120 anything like that, but I would say I'm worried about 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.960 I'm worried about that. I mean, I think that worries 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:00.600 an understatement at this stage life point. You know, I 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.360 don't even know what the word is that I would use, 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.399 but worries seems light, you know, like, no, it's we 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.439 live in an era where like people are with a 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.960 street face saying the word monkey box. Like I totally 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:17.480 agree with you that worries. Yeah, very nice Yeah, worries 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.200 feels very early offs. Yeah, it feels it feels very 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:26.640 ray through. Um panic, panic is more, is more? Is more? 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:32.280 The soup di you're here, Um when we are looking though, 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.399 you know, for instance, because you bring up monkey Box 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.720 and you know, my girlfriend said to me the other day, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.560 She's like, can we just take one crisis at a time? 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.600 Why is everything happening in waves like and not? Like 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.159 waves set up easily for surfers, you know when they 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.160 come in and you can see the sets forming out. No, no, no, no, 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.760 It's like a friggan tsunami just keeps hitting. So let's 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:05.040 transition into our public health crises. Let me let me 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.000 say one thing about that first, if you don't mind, Like, 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.280 it's just that the paradigm of what's possible in society 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.040 and the world just keeps changing. Like I keep thinking 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.920 about the conversation you and I had the week that 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:23.880 Putin invaded the Ukraine, right and or Ukraine, and it 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.760 was like we were it was we couldn't conceptualize that 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.960 even that kind of warfare was possible in the world 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.239 right now. And so I was looking back on that 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.680 interview the other day, just because we were talking about 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:39.399 Rocky and the Russia, and you know, it just felt like, 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.240 oh my god, this guy's like living in the eighties. 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.560 And now four months later, like war is like it 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:49.200 makes sense, right. The paradigm is regressive and it's depressing. 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.359 And it also within four months has gone from like 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.439 completely a joke and like something from you know, the 0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.520 Iron Age or something, to now where it's like, oh, yeah, 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.520 nations invade other nations and we're having this huge military 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.919 build up, and so every one of these waves it 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.719 really feels like it changes our perspective, like we're falling 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.240 back into such darkness. It feels like in a way, 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.800 but it's weird that I don't know, it's just weird 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.280 that like warfare makes sense now in a way that 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.199 it didn't for four months ago. And I feel like 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.160 every one of these things, like two weeks ago, monkeypox 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.400