1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: this week, I am having several conversations with folks who 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: are trying to help us understand a few things, which 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: is this, how do we fight against a political party 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: that has decided that the rules no longer apply, that 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: the norms that we have all agreed upon for centuries 8 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: no longer have the foundation and consent of every citizen 9 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: of this country. How do you fight back against people 10 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: who are becoming increasingly extreme using every disgusting word, playbook 11 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: strategy that they can get their hands on. I listened 12 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: this week to a clip of Perdue in Georgia, who 13 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: is going to most likely be facing off against Stacy 14 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Abrams for the governorship along with Brian Kemp, but we're 15 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: not being troubled with him at the moment. Purdue, in 16 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: an interview said about Stacy Abrams that if she doesn't 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: like the way that things are, she should quote go 18 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: back to where she came from. Where would that be 19 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: exactly Wisconsin where she was born. Because when you say 20 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: things like go back to your country, which, by the way, 21 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: soft plug for my co host of Democracy Ish. That 22 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: is the title of his book, go Back to Where 23 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: You came From. When you say things like that, what 24 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: exactly are you saying? You are saying, in fact, that 25 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: black and brown people are not from here, right, that 26 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: we do not belong and so they are before we 27 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: should go back to where we came from. Funny enough, though, 28 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: white people were not fucking born here. And that's the 29 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: thing that I get so frustrated about when we talk 30 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: about curriculum and education and they're pushback against critical race theory, 31 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: which by the way, is not taught in K through 32 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: twelve schooling, but the very idea and concept that they 33 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: don't even know their own fucking history right, which is 34 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: built on lies, the gas lighting of their exceptionalism and 35 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: them alone and the degradation of everyone else. So when 36 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: you have built up an entire public education system that 37 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: is about perpetuating those lies, you have a fucking Purdue 38 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: and the Republican Party that comes out of their mouth 39 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: with hot trash like go back to where you came 40 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: from because they don't understand or care about the founding 41 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: of this country. Then indigenous Native people, whom they nearly 42 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: wiped off the map, which is exactly what they're trying 43 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: to do now. I want us to piece together and 44 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: begin to do what the mainstream media doesn't do, which 45 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: is connect all of these dots. These are not isolated 46 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: statements or isolated scenarios like the massacre that happened in Buffalo. 47 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: These are not things that are happening in isolation. They 48 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: are part of a coordinated plan and entity to in 49 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: fact run people either out of this country or to 50 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: have them live under certain threat and fear. We'll have 51 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: a conversation later in the week with a doctor Brittany Cooper, 52 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: which I will tell you that when I finished that interview, 53 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I felt invigorated, and I haven't felt invigorated, as I've 54 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: said to all of you over the past couple of days, 55 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: because I'm feeling really depressed, defeated, and like I'm a 56 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: part of the losing team, and I don't like to lose. 57 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: But the Democrats are showing absolutely no ability to even 58 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: create a plan to see us out of the dire 59 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: situation that we are in. And Britney Cooper laid out 60 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the truth as a historian. She'll tell us later in 61 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: the week that look I don't see a way out 62 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: of this where violence is not a part of the equation. 63 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: And so if we can see things like that, right 64 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: and see that these iterations of what happened in Buffalo, 65 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, what happened in Charlottesville, what 66 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: happened in Charleston, when you see these things and what 67 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: happened in our passo, and we can continue to list 68 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: on because the amount of racially hate motivated crimes that 69 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: have been happening in this country, and according to many reports, 70 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: the FBI had a report twelve years ago that told 71 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: us that all of this was coming. And do you 72 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: know what they decided to do shelve it? And why 73 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: did they decide to do that? Oh, let me tell you, well, 74 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: it has everything to do with politics, because you see, 75 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: Democrats continually want to operate from the place that if 76 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: we are not using our power for the benefit of 77 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: the people that actually put us in power, if we 78 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: seem as if we're willing to come to the table 79 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: and essentially negotiate on the backs of the very people 80 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: who put us in office, and we don't ruffle too 81 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: many feathers, then when Republicans take control they'll be nice 82 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: to us. That was the thinking when the report was 83 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: first surfaced, where it said, hmm, there's a rise in 84 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: white extremist terrorists, violence, and groups and they are linked 85 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: to the Republican Party. Well, Republicans didn't like that, and 86 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: neither did the Obama administration, because the Obama administration thought 87 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: that if they just ignored the threats that were on 88 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the horizon, then they could get some GOP members to 89 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: vote for healthcare. Well, we all know how that turned out. 90 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: And so now we're in this situation again, not just 91 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: because of Republicans lies and their desire to shelf this report. 92 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: That would literally have provided a pathway for us on 93 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: how we I don't know, developed task force and teams 94 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: or do what the Department of Justice has decided so 95 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: quickly to do with regard to Russia and the oligarchs. Oh, 96 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: we put together a quick task force, and we're seizing 97 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: yachts and we're doing all of these things. Look at 98 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: us busy and fighting for democracy. Maybe had somebody not 99 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: taken the FBI's White Supremacy report and shelved it, maybe 100 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: there would have been task force and teams that were 101 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: put in place that had begun to infiltrate and break 102 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: up these groups and begin to arrest these people instead 103 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: of allowing them to grow into the fucking federal movement 104 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: that they are right now. Folks, it is the place 105 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: that we are in. With the more conversations that I 106 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: have each and every week with some of our friends 107 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: like doctor Jonathan Metzo, who has done and as he 108 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: will tell us coming up next thirty seven interviews Jonathan 109 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: did last week as the author of Dying of Whiteness, 110 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: has been going on show after show after show because 111 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: he thinks that it is his duty to explain to America, 112 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: to the world the dire place that we are in, 113 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: and that if Democrats don't begin to use the power 114 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 1: that they have for the limited amount of time, because 115 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: we are running out of time. We are running up 116 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: against midterms in less than six months at this point, 117 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: that if we do not use that power, we are done. 118 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: It isn't just hyperbole. These are historians and professors and 119 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: activists and leaders that are all echoing the same thing. 120 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: You've listened to Glenn Kirshner every week. Tell us that 121 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: you know, if the Department of Justice does not make 122 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: moves in terms of indictments and accountability and responsibility for 123 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: the insurrection in the next five to six months. Then 124 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happens to our democracy and where 125 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: we go. I have asked many of people, there is 126 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: there a country that we can point to that is 127 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: lost democracy and then been able to gain it back 128 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: within the same generation, And the answer is no. So 129 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: what does that mean then for us? What does it 130 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: mean then that the mainstream media continues to talk about 131 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: the Republican Party as if they are a normal political 132 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: party and as if this midterm cycle that we are 133 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: up against is somehow Oh DEM's lose, will get another 134 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: bite at the apple in two years. These people just 135 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: listen to their candidates right now. I talked yesterday, But 136 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: the candidates in their guns, babies and god. These are 137 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the things that you would see in like twelfth century 138 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: the religious Christian wars. This is what these people are 139 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: readying themselves for. And we're all as Democrats the establishment, 140 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: I should say, because not you, but the establishment is 141 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: just sitting around as if oh, it's all just the 142 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: people on the fringe. No. If you watched just a 143 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: few minutes of the debate in Pennsylvania for the Republicans 144 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: vying for the Senate seat. There, you would have heard 145 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: some of the most vile things that five, six, seven 146 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: years ago would have never made it to anybody's main stage, 147 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: let alone on anyone's ballot. But now you have to 148 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: be as vicious, as racist, as misogynistic as possible. You 149 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: have to be like the governor of Oklahoma who's saying, 150 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: you're having a baby, whether you watch it or not, 151 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: whether or not your life is on the line, we 152 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: don't give a damn. But we certainly certainly are not 153 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: going to provide you with baby formula. We're certainly not 154 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: going to provide you with a childcare tax credit, We're 155 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: certainly not going to provide you with universal pre k 156 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: any of those things whatsoever. But where are Democrats in 157 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: terms of their pushback? I keep hearing folks say that, oh, yeah, well, 158 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: women are really going to come out in mass for midterms. 159 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: Well here's the thing, Black and brown women been coming out. 160 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: They vote over ninety of the fucking time. So is 161 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: your hope, then, is our hope and prayer on the 162 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Karen's of the world coming to leave their Republican husbands 163 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: and then decide that the Democratic Party is the party 164 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: they want to stick with, because that sounds like we're 165 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: putting a lot of hopes and dreams on a whole 166 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: bunch of finger waving Karen's that can't be fucking trusted. 167 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: There has to be another plan. And what I'm beginning 168 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: to see by virtue of all of the conversations that 169 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: we've been having over the last couple of months on 170 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: woke AF is that I think that we are our 171 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: only plan. That it's going to be left up to 172 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: the people because where the establishment is going is not 173 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the direction that the people are going. And what pisses 174 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: me off is that those motherfuckers will remain safe and 175 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: okay for a certain amount of time before their Republican 176 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: colleagues from across the aisle decide to throw their asses 177 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: in jail and they become political prisoners when Republicans take over. 178 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: But they don't think that could ever possibly happen. I 179 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: want us to start living in what we think could 180 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: never happen, so that we're not caught off guard, because 181 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: right now you have a democratic party that is just 182 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: looking up in the air wondering how the fuck we 183 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: got here, And I'm saying you've been institutionalized in Congress 184 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: for decades. You all should have seen this coming, and 185 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: you're still sitting around acting shocked. That's the fucking problem. 186 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: None of this should have been a shock. Five decades. 187 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: Republicans have been trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. Since 188 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: the end of the Civil War. They've been trying to 189 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: refight relitigate the Civil War. And so now a confluence 190 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: of perfect events bring us to this moment. And we 191 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: have a political party that is supposedly in charge right 192 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: now but has no idea what direction to point the 193 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: country in. And to me, that's terrifying. We rely on 194 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: these people to be our voices and our representatives and 195 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: they don't know which way is up Coming Up next, 196 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: dear friends, my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Matzol 197 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: talking all about his premonitions around dying of whiteness. 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New episodes 215 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: every Tuesday. Folks, you know that if it is a Wednesday, 216 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: we are getting into an authentic, honest and in your 217 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: face conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 218 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: author of the book Dying of Whiteness, Who knew the 219 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: man was a prophet when he wrote that, Jonathan, it's 220 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: another week and another level of I don't even know 221 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: what to call it anymore. We have GOP candidates running 222 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: on who can be most racist. I think I heard 223 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: in the Georgia race Perdue, who will most likely face 224 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: off against Stacy Abrams say if she does unlike it, 225 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: he or she can go back to where she came from. 226 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: We have a case of a white man in I 227 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: believe it was Wisconsin who was just sentenced to ten 228 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: years in jail. What was his crime throwing acid on 229 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: a Latin X man in his face because he said, 230 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: you're coming to replace us. We have so many of 231 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: these incidents, none of them are being connected in the 232 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: mainstream media to say, Wow, this Republican party, this climate 233 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: that we are living in is becoming increasingly violent and extreme. 234 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: What do you make of this, Jonathan, particularly at a 235 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: time when the FBI will see Blower who said ten 236 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: twelve years ago, white extremist violence is growing in this country. 237 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: We need to have a plan for it. And it 238 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: was shelved, and that was shelved by the way during 239 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: the Obama administration. So how do we move forward? How 240 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: do we how do we how do we even we 241 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: can't even move forward because I don't even think we 242 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: recognize what we're sitting in. Yeah, it feels like it's 243 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean The thing is, like, it's not surprising if 244 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: you if you think about the history of the history 245 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: of America, right, I mean, it's very consistent with other 246 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: times in history. It's other it's very consistent with pre 247 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Civil rights era America. And so I feel like, in 248 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: one way, we're reverting back to so much of the 249 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: world order that was shaped, you know, for in globally 250 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: after the Second World War, in America, after the Civil 251 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: Rights era and the and the women's rights movement, we're 252 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of reverting back to what things were like before that, 253 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: and so all of this stuff. It feels just with 254 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: no disrespect to the white supremacist listeners of this show, 255 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: so many of them. So it just feels it feels 256 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: so uncreative. If it's like that, you know, that's that's 257 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: what you got. Like, it just seems like whatever. So 258 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: maybe there's some genetic mutation or something just leads to 259 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: expression of whiteness in this particular way or something. I 260 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: don't know it's but it just feels so ah historical 261 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: in a certain kind of way. And I guess part 262 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: of the issue for me is, as you know, my 263 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: argument always is if you don't change the structures that 264 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's always going to be people with these 265 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of views. But unless you change structures in ways 266 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: that reward equity and collaboration and disincentivize this kind of 267 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: racial resentment austerity, you're just going you just keep replying it. 268 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: And unfortunately those structures seem to be so deeply deeply 269 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, things are really structurally bad right now, 270 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing a reflection of it. And 271 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: so part of the issue is we have these extreme 272 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: issues that are on the news, and maybe the media 273 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: should do a better job of connecting them. But I've 274 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: I've had a crazy week, man, I've had I did 275 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: thirty seven media interviews last week after the Buffalo shooting, 276 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: and I did everything from I did the crazy c 277 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Span across America for an hour last Friday morning. I've 278 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: did MSNBC, I did a lot of like different kind 279 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: of calling shows, and you kind of hear from people 280 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: around the country, and I guess the issue is not 281 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: so much. I mean, definitely these massive things that make 282 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the news, but it's also like people's everyday opinions about 283 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: things are so much I mean, I just I just 284 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: got like nine hundred calls about stop saying white supremacy, 285 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: it makes me feel bad, and all these kind of things, 286 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: and so where it's kind of like there's a kind 287 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: of backlash against any kind of racial progress right now 288 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: in this country that I find to be even in 289 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: some ways even more frightening than these horrifying but somewhat 290 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: isolated extremeist attack So let me let me ask this, 291 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: because you know, you do do a ton of media, 292 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, every time something horrible happens, whether it's a 293 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: mass shooting as was the case in Buffalo, if it 294 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: is a mass shooting that is directly a hate crime 295 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: as was Buffalo, you're the one that people call because 296 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: whenever there's a manifesto about white supremacy, it's like doo 297 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: doo, doo doo doo doo, dying of whiteness. What are the questions, however, 298 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: that the media is asking. Is it about unpacking where 299 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: we are or is it the continuation to sensationalize it? 300 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: Because what I feel, Jonathan, is that at this stage 301 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: of the game where we are, the media is absolutely 302 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: complicit in the violence that I see happening. And so 303 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: I want to know from you, as going on all 304 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: of these shows, what is the thread that you would 305 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: say is part of the questioning towards you. It's important 306 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: to be having these conversations, and I don't want to 307 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: discount the importance of kind of public recognition and awareness. 308 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: But I also sometimes push back even on myself, even 309 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: on my own participation in this, because what more do 310 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: you need than a guy who wrote a one hundred 311 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: eighty page manifesto and posted it online. It's not like 312 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: there aren't connections that aren't made. It's more like, what 313 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: what are you going to do about it? In a way, 314 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: And so I just don't want to overstate the power 315 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: of the media, Like the media can expose and they 316 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: can make connections, and they can do all these things, 317 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: but if it's not tied to like a viable um, 318 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't blame the media as much 319 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: as I do like the Democratic Party, for example. So 320 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: tell it, but tell me why, because I blame the 321 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: Democratic Party as well, But I have equal blame that 322 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: is associated with the two of them. What is the 323 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: differentiation that you see. We're not living in an era 324 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: where like shame motivates people like we can call that, 325 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: we can call things out, expose it, throw shade on 326 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: it do whatever we want all day, but that just 327 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: makes people more um embedded in their positions sometimes. But 328 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I do think, like, for example, there's a massively important 329 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: election in Georgia today, for example, we're getting We're getting 330 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: massively outvoted, and I realize we don't have a there's 331 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: no conflict on the on the Democratic side, but who's 332 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: the Democratic candidate in Georgia for the secretary of State 333 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: or the election officials or things like that, Like the 334 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: Republicans are swarming toward these election officials, and I feel 335 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: like it's got to lead to like massive mobilization of 336 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: whatever political apparatus we have. And I realized we have 337 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: the best person in front, Stacey Abrahams to do that, 338 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: and maybe November will be the two testing ground. But 339 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: I feel like we can yell and scream and expose 340 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: as much as we can, but it's got to be 341 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: tied to like some bigger strategy toward something right. And 342 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I just don't I don't know what our strategy is. 343 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: I see the other side getting really worked up, and 344 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: of course there's this extremist violence at the at the 345 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg, but beneath it is like a 346 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: massive effort to mobilize in all these top to bottom 347 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: elections and take over the apparatus of democracy. And I 348 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: don't see a counter strategy really that's going to get 349 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: people out to recognize like what's the role of the 350 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: Secretary of State in Georgia for example, or something like that. 351 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: And so I've been I've been reading a lot of 352 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: these focus groups recently, and people don't understand the democratic message. 353 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: And people don't think it's just like, oh, protect democracy 354 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: or Trump or you know, something like that. It's it's 355 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's got to be some unifying, mobilizing 356 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: message that counters the Republican's message. So that to me 357 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: is even I mean it's not like I'm comparing or 358 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: anything like that, but I would say I'm worried about 359 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm worried about that. I mean, I think that worries 360 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: an understatement at this stage life point. You know, I 361 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: don't even know what the word is that I would use, 362 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: but worries seems light, you know, like, no, it's we 363 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: live in an era where like people are with a 364 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: street face saying the word monkey box. Like I totally 365 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: agree with you that worries. Yeah, very nice Yeah, worries 366 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: feels very early offs. Yeah, it feels it feels very 367 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: ray through. Um panic, panic is more, is more? Is more? 368 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: The soup di you're here, Um when we are looking though, 369 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, for instance, because you bring up monkey Box 370 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: and you know, my girlfriend said to me the other day, 371 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: She's like, can we just take one crisis at a time? 372 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: Why is everything happening in waves like and not? Like 373 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: waves set up easily for surfers, you know when they 374 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: come in and you can see the sets forming out. No, no, no, no, 375 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: It's like a friggan tsunami just keeps hitting. So let's 376 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: transition into our public health crises. Let me let me 377 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: say one thing about that first, if you don't mind, Like, 378 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: it's just that the paradigm of what's possible in society 379 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: and the world just keeps changing. Like I keep thinking 380 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: about the conversation you and I had the week that 381 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: Putin invaded the Ukraine, right and or Ukraine, and it 382 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: was like we were it was we couldn't conceptualize that 383 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: even that kind of warfare was possible in the world 384 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: right now. And so I was looking back on that 385 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: interview the other day, just because we were talking about 386 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Rocky and the Russia, and you know, it just felt like, 387 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's like living in the eighties. 388 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: And now four months later, like war is like it 389 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: makes sense, right. The paradigm is regressive and it's depressing. 390 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: And it also within four months has gone from like 391 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: completely a joke and like something from you know, the 392 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Iron Age or something, to now where it's like, oh, yeah, 393 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: nations invade other nations and we're having this huge military 394 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: build up, and so every one of these waves it 395 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: really feels like it changes our perspective, like we're falling 396 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: back into such darkness. It feels like in a way, 397 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: but it's weird that I don't know, it's just weird 398 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: that like warfare makes sense now in a way that 399 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: it didn't for four months ago. And I feel like 400 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: every one of these things, like two weeks ago, monkeypox 401 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: would be a joke from like the Wizard of Oz 402 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: or something like that, and now we had got to 403 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: worry about monkeypox. And so it's kind of like how 404 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: many of these hits can you take, not just the 405 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: crisis itself, but to like your entire worldview of like 406 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: what's going to happen that's going to change the world 407 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: and drive us back into you know, some prehistoric time 408 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: or something. You know. I'll tell you that as I 409 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: every day, right, we all get updates on where we 410 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: are with the war in Ukraine. And I listened to 411 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: a analyst yes today say this is escalating into a 412 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: world war. And I don't see how it doesn't continue 413 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: to escalate into a world war. What do you make 414 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: of that? Right like this, the world is already at 415 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: war with COVID. Now we have monkey pocks, we have 416 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: literally we have literally issued every single type of foreseeable 417 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: sanction for Russia and putin without putting troops on the ground, 418 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: which we keep pushing back on. And I know neither 419 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: one of us are foreign affairs experts, but if you 420 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: pay attention these days, um and have been embedded in this, 421 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: you understand what is at stake and what's at play. 422 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean, is this just inevitable? Like inevitable? I mean 423 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: we threatened China also yesterday, Oh I'm sorry, I decided 424 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, so I missed that. Yeah, 425 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: it's it's not the surprise of all this is that 426 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: we grew up in an era like we've had. We 427 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: had two World wars in the last century, right in 428 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: the past century, and then the destruction was seemingly so 429 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: terrifying based on the Holocaust and the atomic bomb and 430 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: all those things that we put a world order into 431 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: place that we grew we were born into, right, we 432 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: grew up with that. Of course, there's the United Nations. 433 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: Of course, a big nation doesn't eat a smaller nation. 434 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: That kind of aggression was unheard of. And also a 435 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: public health apparatus. We grew up after the polio vaccine. 436 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: We grew up after penicillin had been discovered. But if 437 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: you look at the even the kind of history of humanity, 438 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: most people grew up when there was war and pestilence, 439 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: and so maybe the problem is we thought we had 440 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: escaped all of that, and now we're getting taught lesson 441 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a challenge to humanity and we're going 442 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: to join together at some point and work it all out. 443 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's it's like we're being challenged 444 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: in a way that feels like very fourteen hundreds kind of, 445 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, But then you realize it's it's a humility, 446 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, with a bit of humility, you realize that 447 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: most people in the history of humanity have grown up 448 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: with these kind of threats. It's just that we haven't 449 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: because we we've grown up with a certain order, and 450 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 1: that order in many ways, which was the result of 451 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: so much death, destruction and destruction, and not just about 452 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: world wars, but also people dying in support of the 453 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: civil rights movement, people rallying in supportive women's reproductive rights. 454 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: All those things were just so much more tenuous than 455 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: we realized, and we didn't take the warning signs seriously enough. 456 00:29:53,480 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: And this pandemic has been tribalizing, multiplier on stage roids. 457 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: All those things have happened, and so it feels like 458 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: the world order that we've known is in the process 459 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: of changing. And I don't know, I just some days 460 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: I want to fight it and some days I want 461 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: to like just run away. Oh yeah, you know. It 462 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: was funny because the other day I was saying that, 463 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, what is happening for me, because I want 464 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: to shift with a couple of minutes, that we have 465 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: to just talk about mental health, right, and how we 466 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: were all managing or not managing frankly during this time, 467 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: And you hit the nail on the head when you 468 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: said we grew up at a time when we were 469 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: the beneficiaries of the guardrails and the institutions, global institutions 470 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: and agencies that were put together to I guess, stave 471 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: off this kind of of chaos and destruction while the 472 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: while we still grew up with the drug wars and 473 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: all of these things in the United States, and there 474 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: weren't I mean, there are many moments, like peak moments 475 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: of things, but not this kind of confluence of destruction 476 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: for people who are younger, though, this is what they 477 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: are like. Isn't a part of youth recognizing that there 478 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: is stable ground for you to kind of fly off 479 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: from and seek out the world, but you have this 480 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: like foundation. What do you think happens when these young 481 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: kids that are growing up now Gen Z, the generations 482 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: coming below them that will never know stability, they'll be 483 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: much better at instability. I mean, yeah, I would bet 484 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: that there'll be much more depressed and tribal and fearful 485 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: and aggressive. If I had to get if I had 486 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: to just put it that way, you know, I don't know. 487 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: Or maybe they'll save us, maybe they'll maybe they'll rally 488 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: in supportive shared humanity. I don't know. It's such an 489 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: unsettling world that we've built. And the crazy thing, of course, 490 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: is that on one hand, the world is being destabilized 491 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: by people of the Putin generation and the Trump generation. 492 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of like seventy year old white 493 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: dudes who are making the world a lot worse right now, 494 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: which is amazing because they're the ones on their way out. Yeah, no, 495 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: that's probably this is their parting gift. But I don't know. 496 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: I used to believe all this, you know, oh when 497 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: the Republicans are afraid because the youth coming up are 498 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: so much more you know, queer friendly and multicultural and 499 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I don't know, I don't know 500 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: what it would be like to grow up right now. 501 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Maybe they're much more like conflict friendly, who knows. I 502 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: would just say that there's a mental health crisis right now, 503 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: and part of that mental health is about psychology, and 504 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: part of it is a pretty adequate reflection of the 505 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: very unsable world that people are entering into, and not 506 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: just medically, but economically, politically, all these factors. So yeah, 507 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: I wish I had a better answer for that. I mean, 508 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: one of the things that I said ye on yesterday's 509 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: show is that I have been struggling a lot. I 510 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: personally have been having like weekly breakdowns. I will burst 511 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: into tears and I'm just like, where is this coming from? 512 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: And i would be I would start to like beat 513 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: up on myself and say, like you need to power through, 514 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: like there's a lot going on, but like there's a 515 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: lot going on for everyone, and then I'll just crumble. 516 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: And so I said yesterday that I believe that what 517 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: we all have to understand and learn is how to 518 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: give ourselves grace that like our breakdowns may not make sense, 519 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: they may not be linear, right because there are so 520 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: many causes at this time that we may not know 521 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: how to manage. So with the last minute or so left, Jonathan, like, 522 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: what advice do you have for people right now that 523 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: are struggling with their mental health? Because I know that 524 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: there are millions that are. I mean, you and I 525 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: are talking about it on national television right now, and 526 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: so I would say, I would say honesty and community 527 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: is important right now. And so I do think that 528 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: reaching out, I mean there's a level I just see 529 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: this in a lot of my friend groups that even 530 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: in my softball team, everybody was going around talking about 531 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: how anxious they were. One of my friends told me, 532 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: which was not a good idea. She took to clun 533 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: up and right before the game, and I'm like, no, 534 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: the soft falls coming at your head hundred miles an hour. 535 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: Take it out to the glam. But I just think 536 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: there's a level of openness to vulnerability right now, which 537 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: I think Breeze community. Two weeks from now, i'll be 538 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: doing our show. I'll be in Sweden and then Denmark. 539 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm giving a keynote address, and so I'm curious to 540 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: see what mental health looks like in a place where 541 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: they're more at least communal functioning infrastructure. That might be 542 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: an interesting point of connection. So I'm also curious to 543 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: see what people are feeling in Scandinavia right now. So 544 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you the yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll know we'll 545 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: be talking there and I'll be and I'll just because 546 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: my senses, my senses that social cohesion is very psychologically 547 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: beneficial right now. Places that have social capital and social 548 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: infrastructure are probably doing better right now. But I'm going 549 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: to test that out and report back in real time 550 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: to see, all right, we love it, Jonathan, as always, 551 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time for us 552 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: here at woke app and we'll be in touch next 553 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: week when you are abroad. Now it'll be two weeks 554 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: we have. I have two more weeks to talk about 555 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: despair here and then I'll be checking and then we'll 556 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: talk about I love that for us, appreciate you. 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