Speaker 1: I feel like that's what most people would choose, if
Speaker 1: they could go into a hologram machine like Star Trek
Speaker 1: and just like live their lives again. It would just
Speaker 1: be like, what if I knew all the good things
Speaker 1: I actually brought to the table and I was not
Speaker 1: like held back by my self esteem to relive my
Speaker 1: life like that, Just see what I would be like. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't have the self esteem now, but
Speaker 1: it's but it's more like, oh, now I'm the guy
Speaker 1: I thought I was back then. I didn't realize what
Speaker 1: I had when I had it until I lost it.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody should write a song about that, you know,
Speaker 1: like like it always seems to go that you don't
Speaker 1: know what you have until it's it's somewhere else, not
Speaker 1: with you. It's not with you anymore. It's like they
Speaker 1: it's almost like they took something really beautiful and natural
Speaker 1: and then covered it over with concrete. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just got to turn this into a song that
Speaker 1: was pretty crazy. Whatever. I'll hang on my taxis here.
Speaker 1: I know they make them so big and yellow anymore. Oh,
Speaker 1: who's going to get that joke? Your mom will get it? Yeah? True?
Speaker 1: Thanks Barbara, Thank you Barbara, everyone else Mitchell, damnit in
Speaker 1: five weeks, my Mom's gonna text me pretty lame, Joni,
Speaker 1: Mitchell joke could have done better. Well, Hey, everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. Hey, I'm Eli, I'm Diana. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad to have you today. This is a weird one.
Speaker 1: This is one of those off the rails stories that
Speaker 1: we just you know, I think this is These were
Speaker 1: the stories we were looking for when we started this show.
Speaker 1: Extremely true. So yeah, clear, clear, all the judgement out
Speaker 1: of your mind. I'll be ready for this one. Um.
Speaker 1: This is another fascinating story about a close encounter of
Speaker 1: the sixty nine kind. That's right, much like our previous
Speaker 1: episode about Simon Parks. If you remember, he was the
Speaker 1: British politician who spent most of his allegedly having sex
Speaker 1: with aliens. Uh. This is the story of an American
Speaker 1: artist named David Huggins who also lost his virginity to
Speaker 1: an alien. Somebody had to do it. Now. By all accounts,
Speaker 1: these two are very different people with very different stories,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of similarities between these two accounts,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of shocking and they kind of eerily
Speaker 1: suggest some sort of plausibility to the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really strange, but we're going to get into all
Speaker 1: that as we tell the story of David and his
Speaker 1: lover Crescent. Oh yeah, and really quick. Our regular listeners
Speaker 1: will know what we're talking about here. But in case
Speaker 1: you're new, every time we start to bring up aliens,
Speaker 1: we tend to get interrupted by some guests from out
Speaker 1: of town. Right. They popped up in our episode about
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill, who were the interracial couple who
Speaker 1: were the first people to ever claim to be abducted
Speaker 1: by alien. Great story. Go checked that one out if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard it. And of course they waited in
Speaker 1: on our assignment Parks episodes. Makes sense, you want someone
Speaker 1: from the community to really way and things got a
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable. But yeah, they were there, and they even
Speaker 1: crashed our Lily Elbe and Gerda Vegner episode. Briefly, nothing
Speaker 1: nothing to do with aliens. I don't remember why they crashed.
Speaker 1: I guess they were close. They were in the neighborhood, yeah,
Speaker 1: or something very strange. But not today. Damn it. We
Speaker 1: have reinforced all our ceilings indoors. Right, there is no
Speaker 1: way that a spaceship is crashing into this house again,
Speaker 1: absolutely not and pissing off our landlord. Yes, we are
Speaker 1: in complete alien lockdown and we are not going to
Speaker 1: let them interrupt us. Again, absolutely not. There is no
Speaker 1: way that these two are coming in. And honestly, the
Speaker 1: thing that we found is what's what's happening? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Diana White, You're glowing? What you're glowing? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the whole table is glowing. Whoa, what's happening? What's happening?
Speaker 1: What just happened? Um? Where where are we? Where did
Speaker 1: the studio go? None of our sound blankets are up,
Speaker 1: all the PVC pipe is gone. Where how can we
Speaker 1: do this show? Oh? My god? Welcome Eli and Diana.
Speaker 1: It is I Ozark and I clip clock clip glor
Speaker 1: clip rock clip, Glory clip clock clip Glory cliplod clip Glorre.
Speaker 1: We have done you that great y beating. You are
Speaker 1: our ship. Yes, okay, yeah, that became quickly obvious. Actually,
Speaker 1: can you guys send us back. We're already late on
Speaker 1: this episode. Seriously, I swear you put out like nine episodes.
Speaker 1: It's twice a week actually, but it's hard to keep
Speaker 1: up when there's like distractions like this all the time.
Speaker 1: Now they can keep up. It's fine. Besides, we beamed
Speaker 1: up your equipment too, so you can be the first
Speaker 1: podcast to ever record in space. Actually, in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, astronauts Steve Robinson recorded the first ever podcast
Speaker 1: in space. He like ordinal space like he was basically
Speaker 1: in a very high air. Okay, okay, okay, whatever, but
Speaker 1: can your technology beam us back home? Please? Oh? We
Speaker 1: did not bring you here with technology? What? No, we
Speaker 1: found it all glueing Jim on the planet Big Good.
Speaker 1: And when we had it and made a wish that
Speaker 1: we came through them, what was the name of Wait,
Speaker 1: what was the name of that planet? The guy? I've
Speaker 1: never heard of that one. Okay, so you found a
Speaker 1: gym that granted wishes, and you wished for us to
Speaker 1: be here on your spaceship. That's so cutel. No, first
Speaker 1: we wished that the love would come back between then
Speaker 1: Affleck and j Lo. Once we knew that it worked,
Speaker 1: we started wishing for all kinds of things we wished for.
Speaker 1: One time, I wished for an intergalactic kegger amazing hide.
Speaker 1: We wished for and in and out further on the
Speaker 1: guy or we wished for a taco bell on the
Speaker 1: Guide Go Up too. We spend a lot of time,
Speaker 1: a lot of late nights on the Guide Gard. We
Speaker 1: wish the KFC on the Guide Gard, but only the
Speaker 1: Chinese version. The American version is worse. Wait, there's a
Speaker 1: difference between the Chinese on the American version of KFC
Speaker 1: quite different. It's very very tell me more I would.
Speaker 1: I just said a whole thing about now we can
Speaker 1: move past it. Anyway. Eventually, we wish that we were
Speaker 1: hanging out with you, and magically you just appeared here. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's very sweet, I guess, but can you please
Speaker 1: wish us home so we can get back to world out?
Speaker 1: The glow of the gem has faded, but it looks
Speaker 1: like there might be one wish left, So I guess
Speaker 1: we can. I guess that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: I really wish here, my god, your podcasts up here
Speaker 1: and you alright. So, like we said today, we're talking
Speaker 1: about David Huggins, the American painter who has known aliens
Speaker 1: his whole life and even has a regular sexual relationship
Speaker 1: with one of them. Uh, is there any way to
Speaker 1: turn off that ambient beeping? We're trying to report here
Speaker 1: that don't do anything. It's the ambient effect. But we
Speaker 1: have to go in the other room and hold a
Speaker 1: button down to turn them off. Okay, great, can you
Speaker 1: go ahead? Then wait, what can we do the things? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: but hurry up, this is a big episode. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's go. James fans I, fear Man, race, Eli and
Speaker 1: Diana have been being in his face. There were taking
Speaker 1: run out elected kicks, talk about ridiculous relationships any type
Speaker 1: of the Aucasino love reading e Bay stories, art and
Speaker 1: that Kasma kicks fast. We're being into our show ridiculous
Speaker 1: room now conducting how hard radio? Okay, so first things
Speaker 1: first in this story, unfortunately, Glip, Glorp and Ozark have
Speaker 1: to stay in the other room and hold a button
Speaker 1: down to stop the ambiance sound from going on. So
Speaker 1: that was a great way to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: Very clever idea there. Yeah, to get them out of
Speaker 1: the room. It's always hard to get characters off stage
Speaker 1: when you don't want them there anymore. Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: talk sources for this story, because you know, David has
Speaker 1: only given so many interviews, so a lot of the
Speaker 1: articles I read are just sharing the same quotes they're
Speaker 1: quoting each other. Um, but I'll share some of the
Speaker 1: big ones up front, Like there's an article by Corey
Speaker 1: arm Priest from August fourteenth of two thousand and eleven
Speaker 1: on the art blog dot com, and then there's also
Speaker 1: a vice article by Kara Weisenstein. Now, of course, David
Speaker 1: was interviewed on our very favorite UK show This Morning
Speaker 1: with Holly Willoughby and Philip Schofield. They also interviewed Simon Parks.
Speaker 1: Really kept it together, they really do, you know? They
Speaker 1: just they are so fascinated by the stories they're hearing.
Speaker 1: How so the cat Lady did once again. Um, but
Speaker 1: a lot of this info comes from this really amazing documentary.
Speaker 1: It's called Love and Saucers by Brad Abraham's. Honestly, you've
Speaker 1: just got to go watch it. It's only about an
Speaker 1: hour long. It's really fascinating, Like it's weirdly simple and sweet.
Speaker 1: It's very elegant. And we are not affiliated with this
Speaker 1: documentary in any way that we know of. I just
Speaker 1: happened to rent it while I was researching this story, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm just literally personally telling you here to go
Speaker 1: check it out. There's a lot in there that we
Speaker 1: won't have time to get to. Uh, and it's just
Speaker 1: a really sweet story. Um, so I'll say you can
Speaker 1: find it at Love and Saucers dot com. Check out
Speaker 1: the movie. You can rent it from them. I think
Speaker 1: they even have a like a special especially edition blu
Speaker 1: ray you can get now or something. But anyway, you
Speaker 1: can also on their website see and I think still
Speaker 1: purchase prints of David's art. So if you want to
Speaker 1: go see David Huggins art of all his aliens, that's
Speaker 1: a good place to find it. It is absolutely wild.
Speaker 1: So David Huggins grew up in Paulding County, Georgia. Now,
Speaker 1: someone who grew up in Georgia, I can tell you
Speaker 1: that when I say the words rural Georgia, whatever is
Speaker 1: popping into your head is probably correct. There's some beautiful
Speaker 1: country out there, wide wide tracts of absolutely nothing but
Speaker 1: fields and trees. And this was David's home in the
Speaker 1: late nineties and fifties, so even less stuff than together,
Speaker 1: and out here in the middle of nowhere, David said
Speaker 1: he would see things that nobody else and his family
Speaker 1: ever saw. Now, his parents were not exactly kind and
Speaker 1: wonderful people, he said. They both drank heavily. They would
Speaker 1: fight a lot. His dad had multiple affairs, and David
Speaker 1: would regularly get whipped with a switch or a belt.
Speaker 1: Very Southern punishment. I don't know if that's a thing
Speaker 1: up north, but that sounds like a well the switch especially.
Speaker 1: Go out in the yard and find me a day.
Speaker 1: You gotta pick your switch. That was what the Southern
Speaker 1: parents used to say, because it's up to you. Do
Speaker 1: you want to get hit with a big, thick stick
Speaker 1: or do you want to get hit with a little
Speaker 1: thin one. Both have their gun in different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very true. Don't do that. Yeah, maybe can make people
Speaker 1: pick their own instrument of torture. Maybe don't beat your
Speaker 1: kids anyway, it was a rough rural life for this
Speaker 1: sweet little kid. Well. On the Vice magazine article, they
Speaker 1: say that one day in nineteen fifty two, when David
Speaker 1: was eight years old, he was playing around outside and suddenly,
Speaker 1: and seemingly from nowhere, he heard a voice. He looked
Speaker 1: around to his left, didn't see anything. He looked over
Speaker 1: to his right. It was just a hairy little guy
Speaker 1: with bright yellow, glowing eyes. He looked over to wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what he doubled back to this creature, which
Speaker 1: arm Priester says is like a mini sasquatch, and the
Speaker 1: kid freaks out because you know, obviously it's a squat
Speaker 1: and he runs into a nearby barn and he looks
Speaker 1: back at the creature and I guess the creature just
Speaker 1: kind of shrugs like I'm and he turns on walks
Speaker 1: back into the woods. Listen, kid, I don't run. And
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, these kind of weird
Speaker 1: little visitations keep happening. And it wasn't always the little
Speaker 1: hairy guy. One time he saw an insect like creature
Speaker 1: that sort of looked like a praying mantis. Then there
Speaker 1: was a tall, thin being with what David called a
Speaker 1: knob on the back of his head. And of course
Speaker 1: sometimes it was the classic alien with the capital C.
Speaker 1: The grays. You know what we're talking about, big black eyes,
Speaker 1: gray skin, big head, tiny mouth aliens. Yeah, classic alien.
Speaker 1: You'll hear any any UFO books and everything like that.
Speaker 1: All the abductees, they all talk about the Grays. They
Speaker 1: looked just like the emoji. They kind of triangular. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: one time a bunch of them surrounded him in a field,
Speaker 1: he heard three beeps and then suddenly woke up in
Speaker 1: the weeds, having no idea how he got there. The
Speaker 1: next time he saw them was a year later, when
Speaker 1: they showed up outside his house at night. This time
Speaker 1: they came inside, grabbed him, and floated him up into
Speaker 1: their spaceship. It was the first time he was properly abducted,
Speaker 1: and the first time he met one of the alien lady.
Speaker 1: David found himself in a well lit room with this
Speaker 1: alien woman approaching him. Now. She was tall and strong.
Speaker 1: She wore a long blue robe. According to David's paintings,
Speaker 1: you can see tons of depictions of this woman. She
Speaker 1: had this long black hair and a very human, very
Speaker 1: feminine body, but her face was very pale, kind of
Speaker 1: pointed at the bottom. She had very large, black, wide eyes,
Speaker 1: just like the Grays and their alien eyes. She took
Speaker 1: the boy's chin in her hand and tilted his head back.
Speaker 1: Then she produced a long metal rod and she shoved
Speaker 1: it up his nose. Yeah, David said they had implanted
Speaker 1: something in him. He likened it to the way we
Speaker 1: tag animals here. Yeah. So he starts telling her how
Speaker 1: you you hurt me? You hurt me, and the alien
Speaker 1: woman said quote, let me see, and she looked at him,
Speaker 1: and David said, when she looked at him, the pain
Speaker 1: just disappeared. I'm not I'm hearing this story and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is so maternal, right, I mean, we're talking about
Speaker 1: a kid who's clearly has a difficult relationship with his mom,
Speaker 1: probably doesn't get a lot of sympathy when he gets
Speaker 1: hurt or something like that. He's probably i gotta say,
Speaker 1: he's probably looking for this interaction. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get into how real any of this
Speaker 1: sounds or anything like that as the episode goes on,
Speaker 1: but this particular moment, to me, it just very clearly
Speaker 1: feels like something your brain is crafting to fill a
Speaker 1: very particular hole, you know, or something that um might
Speaker 1: have happened to you, and your brain sort of rewrote
Speaker 1: it to be more of a fantasy to make it
Speaker 1: less real. You know, maybe he did get some exam
Speaker 1: up his nose. Maybe maybe something happened who knows, you know,
Speaker 1: like you mean, like a like a legit doctor, or
Speaker 1: we don't like that, so let's fix it with a
Speaker 1: different story maybe, or like a bee flew up his nose.
Speaker 1: And his moment to get some tweezers and pull it
Speaker 1: out or something, you know, like something his brain wanted
Speaker 1: to change. I would definitely want to change that memory. Terrifying,
Speaker 1: but it's true. It does have vibes of like kiss it.
Speaker 1: You know, my I scriped any kids didn't make it
Speaker 1: feel better? Yeah, exactly. So David woke up back at
Speaker 1: home and at this time, he never remembered his encounters
Speaker 1: after they happened, So all these memories of what he
Speaker 1: was seeing, they came back to him later on in
Speaker 1: life and he filled in the gaps and we'll get
Speaker 1: to that later in the story. But few years past,
Speaker 1: he's having brief, random encounters with these aliens. He said
Speaker 1: the mantis creature was scary, but always spoke to him
Speaker 1: like a grown up would speak to a child. It's
Speaker 1: maybe kind of disconcertingly comforting to hear that tone, right,
Speaker 1: scary creature, right, He's like, ah, you look like a monster.
Speaker 1: But then he's like, hey, there, what do you want
Speaker 1: a snack? Oh? I thought maybe it would be more
Speaker 1: like more parental again, like I wonder if this is
Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, very mantis, Like, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: trying to go for reading. Now, the Grays were kind
Speaker 1: of like little workers. We're thinking about lompus. There's just
Speaker 1: like a bunch of them doing the work, dirty work. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they come out and sing a song sometimes. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope. So pretty cool. Oh my god, gray head,
Speaker 1: gray head, it's not very rigid. Come up? Doct do
Speaker 1: when you're sleep yep? So now, then he said, the
Speaker 1: thin man with the knob on the back of his
Speaker 1: head was kind of like their leader. And one time
Speaker 1: it showed up and just stared at him, and David
Speaker 1: ran inside told his father, like, there's this creepy dude
Speaker 1: staring at me. Well, Dad got all shitty about it
Speaker 1: and yelled at him, quote, there's nobody out there, boy,
Speaker 1: quit making things up, And he whipped him with a switch.
Speaker 1: And the next day David saw the woman alien out
Speaker 1: in the yard and he ran up to her and
Speaker 1: he told her about this incident. He's like, my parents
Speaker 1: don't believe me. They would beat me up when I
Speaker 1: tell him about our encounters together, and what do I do?
Speaker 1: He said. It was clear the alien woman did not
Speaker 1: like hearing this, and she looked down at him and said, plainly, quote,
Speaker 1: then don't tell them, which is just common sense. I
Speaker 1: feel like anybody could have told him that. Just keep
Speaker 1: it teased up. And David says after that, he never
Speaker 1: mentioned his encounters to his parents again, and that's probably
Speaker 1: a good thing, because the next encounter he had, well,
Speaker 1: it's not something you would share with your parents necessarily.
Speaker 1: David was around seventeen years old and he was walking
Speaker 1: through the woods when he saw the alien woman in
Speaker 1: a clearing. It turns out that her name, or at
Speaker 1: least the name he had for her, was Crescent. She
Speaker 1: sat in the clearing in her long blue robe, with
Speaker 1: her thick black hair flowing down over her shoulders. She
Speaker 1: looked at David straight in the eyes, and she stood
Speaker 1: up and walked towards him without saying a word. David
Speaker 1: said at this point quote, I became very aroused sexually.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my pants down fast enough. So then
Speaker 1: Crescent brought him down to the grass on his back
Speaker 1: as he stripped all of his clothes off, and he
Speaker 1: straddled him and she wrote him up and down until
Speaker 1: he finally climaxed, which he said was actually quite painful,
Speaker 1: so painful in fact, that he passed out. I know, right,
Speaker 1: and when he woke up fifteen minutes later, he had
Speaker 1: his pants around his knees. He didn't understand why, and
Speaker 1: he ran off for home, presumably tripping because his pants
Speaker 1: were around hopefully first um but he says. He says
Speaker 1: in the documentary quote, I figured, if anything, I'd be
Speaker 1: losing my virginity in the backseat of a Ford. But no, no,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out that way at all. He never
Speaker 1: worked sadily thinking, well, nope, I thought I'd lose my
Speaker 1: virginity in the cargo hold of a CSX eleven e
Speaker 1: Glass Starfighter like most kids. But actually it was underneath
Speaker 1: the three moons of card luck, with nine Figland sharpshooters
Speaker 1: watching carefully to make sure I didn't make any wrong move.
Speaker 1: Side stories. Oh okay, I can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 1: Please clip glob tell us my virginity, Rancy, Alma, Yes,
Speaker 1: but it was not a human, so don't prevented idea.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of ideas, they're mostly perverted, but
Speaker 1: I might need some more information, Rancy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just got in the mood and swimmer robics will
Speaker 1: do that to you. Anything you mean means Steberg Steberg. Oh, well, Meberg.
Speaker 1: Every time it Steborg? Where Steborg? Now? Can we meet him? Now?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's a common problem amongst
Speaker 1: our people. I mean, we keep coming out if I
Speaker 1: love it exactly. Wow, you'll need some stepbooks. Maybe we
Speaker 1: could take a quick break and find them. Some think
Speaker 1: that's probably a good idea. Yeah, let's take a commercial
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back after this. Okay, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. And I gotta say teaching two
Speaker 1: aliens with a completely different anatomy about sex um didn't
Speaker 1: go well. And if you think that a human man
Speaker 1: can't find the quitter as well, yes, all the technology
Speaker 1: of intergalactic space travel and they still can't find it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, anyway, when he was nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: David just had to get the hell out of Georgia.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's not the only one who's ever
Speaker 1: said that. He just could not take it anymore. He said,
Speaker 1: quote there was just nothing there, which again there's not much,
Speaker 1: and again even less somehow, and one day he heard
Speaker 1: a voice telling him, quote if you don't leave now,
Speaker 1: you never will. So he left a note for his
Speaker 1: parents while they were gone, and he I gotta say,
Speaker 1: there's been a voice telling me that in my head
Speaker 1: for about fifteen years now, a few years. I know, right,
Speaker 1: I know, right now is the time. Now. If it's
Speaker 1: the early nineteen sixties and you want to get away
Speaker 1: from weird creatures and dangerous situations, where do you go?
Speaker 1: New York City? Of course? Oh yeah, No weird creatures
Speaker 1: or dangerous situations in New York and the normal place
Speaker 1: to live now. David got himself into the Art Students League,
Speaker 1: an independent art school in Manhattan, and he studied painting.
Speaker 1: But every night he dreamt of the same woman, a strange,
Speaker 1: pale faced woman with big eyes and long fingernails, and
Speaker 1: every morning he woke up hearing her say, quote, we'll
Speaker 1: be back tonight. That's so weird when you like wake
Speaker 1: up with a thing in your head. I get that
Speaker 1: sometimes where I wake up and I know it's still
Speaker 1: part of the dream, but my brain thinks it's I'm
Speaker 1: awake now, So you get that weird crosso over a moment.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember my dreams, but when i'm coming,
Speaker 1: like when I'm waking up, I have a sense of like,
Speaker 1: oh no, don't leave yet, we need you like you
Speaker 1: have to stay here and finish the stream, like I
Speaker 1: have something important to do there, or that it's important
Speaker 1: that I'm there for some reason. So I'm always like,
Speaker 1: maybe it is another dimension. I'm like some ship that
Speaker 1: really matters, and I'm like, no, I gotta wake up,
Speaker 1: make my podcast. I used to wake up as a kid. Um,
Speaker 1: I've frequently it was like my recurring nightmare as a
Speaker 1: as a young child, I would wake up just as
Speaker 1: I felt a hand coming out of my pillow and
Speaker 1: pulling me back into it. So I did not sleep
Speaker 1: with a pillow for like, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: probably it was probably like three years, but it felt
Speaker 1: like a lifetime. I just didn't sleep with a pillow.
Speaker 1: It's very uncomfortable to sleep without pillow. Yeah, it's probably
Speaker 1: on my posture is so screwed up. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: about to say, oh, thank you, that's probably why you're back.
Speaker 1: So fun. Well, David's hearing this voice every morning, and
Speaker 1: of course he can't think gear out if this is
Speaker 1: real or a dream either, or he wonders if he's
Speaker 1: just going crazy. But he decides he's got to figure
Speaker 1: it out right being proactive about it. So he stopped
Speaker 1: by a bodega on his way home one night, and
Speaker 1: he picked up a bouquet of flowers, and he thought, hey,
Speaker 1: if this lady is real, then you know what these
Speaker 1: flowers are for her. So he placed the flowers on
Speaker 1: a table and he said to the empty room, quote,
Speaker 1: these are for you. And he went to bed. When
Speaker 1: he woke up the next morning, of course, the flowers
Speaker 1: we're gone. And David's thinking, oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend. Because yeah, David had tried dating
Speaker 1: other girls in college, but he said it never lasted
Speaker 1: more than a single date. He said, quote, they would
Speaker 1: find some reason not to go out with me again. Okay,
Speaker 1: what did you talk about on these days? I know?
Speaker 1: Well again, at this point, he doesn't allegedly remember any
Speaker 1: of these alien encounters, so talking I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of murky here because I'm like, but do
Speaker 1: you remember, you remember the flowers? You remember something's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's not really sure. He's just like, there's some
Speaker 1: woman talking to me in my sleep, and then she
Speaker 1: took the flowers. I know, we just got somebody in
Speaker 1: trouble because there's somebody listening to this going like wow
Speaker 1: that he bought flowers for somebody he didn't even know existed.
Speaker 1: But you can't bring me flowers. I know. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should have taken those Bodega flowers on your first date.
Speaker 1: Next time, then you got a second date. Well, he
Speaker 1: and Crescent saw each other nightly and they had tons
Speaker 1: of sex, and I hope it got less painful, he said.
Speaker 1: It always went the same way. Crescent was on top
Speaker 1: of him, and in the corner of the room, the
Speaker 1: mantis always watched the real Richard Worsley, Jeez, do you
Speaker 1: think you think the mantis is like, yes, yes, open
Speaker 1: his bill, take off slowly, Hey, guys, come in here
Speaker 1: a check a roll off. And sometimes other aliens did
Speaker 1: watch too, so maybe he did invite them. And naturally,
Speaker 1: this young man wants to brag about his sexual exploits.
Speaker 1: So one time when all the aliens were there, the
Speaker 1: little Harry guy, our Mini Sasquatch, the Grays, the mantis, Crescent,
Speaker 1: and the thin man, he asked them if he can
Speaker 1: start talking about his encounters with other people. And they
Speaker 1: all huddled up and conferred and they're like, looks to them,
Speaker 1: listen good, any business stuff to me? And the thin
Speaker 1: man looks back and says, so you can't let him
Speaker 1: do that. Wow, he's their leader. He's breaking down stereotypes,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Yeah, they wanted a man of
Speaker 1: the people and a man of the thin man, a
Speaker 1: man of the mantis. And David says, please, can I
Speaker 1: just share a little And so they huddle back up
Speaker 1: and eventually come back, and the thin man says, Okay,
Speaker 1: we talked it over. You can tell whoever you want
Speaker 1: when you're fifty years old. Wow, which is quite I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're just like, no one will
Speaker 1: believe a fifty year old man, right, what was so
Speaker 1: special about being fifty? And they're like, you gotta let
Speaker 1: us get our affairs in order first before you start
Speaker 1: talking about it, before people start calling for interview. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: one night, a little while later, Crescent shows up at
Speaker 1: David's place and she is super stressed out. She's like
Speaker 1: pacing back and forth. There's clearly something very wrong, and
Speaker 1: she says, quote, David, the baby is dying. And David
Speaker 1: is like, what baby are you talking about here? And
Speaker 1: she says your baby, oh baby, And David learns that
Speaker 1: he's actually an interstellar father, and so he starts making demands,
Speaker 1: i'd let me see my baby. I want to see
Speaker 1: my baby, and Crescent was very unsure about this. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is an idea. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if I'm allowed to bring you back for this, and
Speaker 1: David is just insisting, so Chrest, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll go back aboard the ship. She brings him to
Speaker 1: the ship. He arrives in this well lit room again
Speaker 1: and everyone is standing around him, and the thin man
Speaker 1: is very upset that David was brought here. What do
Speaker 1: you think you're doing bringing David up here. We didn't
Speaker 1: agree on this. He's not supposed to be coming up
Speaker 1: to the ship like this. So Crescent then goes to
Speaker 1: another room and she comes back in holding this very
Speaker 1: odd looking baby, and she's just like arms straight out
Speaker 1: in front of her, just dangling this baby, and it's
Speaker 1: like not really responding or reacting or moving or anything,
Speaker 1: and it's clearly really sick. And David is like, oh
Speaker 1: my God, give me that. That's not how you hold
Speaker 1: a baby. You gotta give me that baby. So she
Speaker 1: hands it over to him, and as soon as she does,
Speaker 1: this static electrical charge passed between David and the baby,
Speaker 1: and the baby started moving. How yeah. The other aliens
Speaker 1: were like, well, holy sh it, this guy just cured
Speaker 1: the baby. And the mantis goes up to David and
Speaker 1: he's like hey. He leads David into another room, and
Speaker 1: in this one, the walls are lined with little beds
Speaker 1: and each one holds an infant. My nightmare, by the way,
Speaker 1: I know, right, take me to a room and they're
Speaker 1: at dick and barely moving. Even worse, David says, quote,
Speaker 1: whose babies are these? And the mantis kind of tilts
Speaker 1: his head to the side and just pointed David like,
Speaker 1: obviously their years, bro, who's been sucking cresting a whole bunch?
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone, but you you know how
Speaker 1: babies are made, buddy. He's like, I don't know actually
Speaker 1: how they're made between because we have the only sex
Speaker 1: book and all of so David went around the room
Speaker 1: just touching each baby, and each one zapped back to help.
Speaker 1: So then he's like, I gotta start teaching these aliens
Speaker 1: how to be proper parents, which is funny because he's
Speaker 1: not a parent. He's like, I guess I ought to
Speaker 1: get some books like time for my instincts to kick
Speaker 1: in my bothering instincts. I mean, I love that they
Speaker 1: say that the human touch is very important to a baby,
Speaker 1: but the idea that it's like this magical zapp that
Speaker 1: brings them back to like that need. They needed a
Speaker 1: specific human rearing right as opposed to an alien rearing,
Speaker 1: which I guess is where you hold it straight out.
Speaker 1: He even had to demonstrate how to nurse, and there
Speaker 1: is paintings of him suckling Crescent's breast as she holds
Speaker 1: one of the babies, like he's showing the baby. Get
Speaker 1: it together. Kid. It's like it's stoppyest you put your
Speaker 1: mouth here and until some comes out. Babies like oh
Speaker 1: this whole time, what have I been thinking? It's a straw.
Speaker 1: I get it. It's all been up to me. Cresent
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I kept putting them and like on
Speaker 1: my toes. I didn't know this was four. Didn't know
Speaker 1: which hole was the inhole on these babies. Yikes. Baby's
Speaker 1: got a lot of holes humans and a lot of
Speaker 1: how things go in I don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: humans in general. Just a whole lot of holes in
Speaker 1: your body. A lot of people are hearing this, like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're childless. I love this idea of David
Speaker 1: teaching like some like some eighties movie, like I gotta
Speaker 1: teach these aliens how to be proper parents. Yes, what song?
Speaker 1: What he's bringing? He brings them like a discovery zone.
Speaker 1: They're like tossing the alien babies into the ballpits to
Speaker 1: the rope course they go to check e cheese. The
Speaker 1: band starts playing and they just don't they zapped the
Speaker 1: death ray all the bands or they're like Charles Entertainment Cheese,
Speaker 1: we meet again. I thought you died in the Battle
Speaker 1: of Nag, but I see you've been hiding out on
Speaker 1: Earth playing music entertainment cheese. Oh of the planet gorg Nag.
Speaker 1: But after all these experiences, David is still immediately forgetting
Speaker 1: everything that happens, like he doesn't really know this is
Speaker 1: happening in real time. He just, I guess, gets kind
Speaker 1: of confused about where he wakes up. Sometimes it's like
Speaker 1: a moon night situation, like what slightly less exciting, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say so. He's like covered in baby puke.
Speaker 1: It's like, what where was I last night? I don't
Speaker 1: work with children and As the years go on, aliens
Speaker 1: are kind of visiting him less and less. The seventies
Speaker 1: just kind of came and went, which is interesting to
Speaker 1: me because for most people, the seventies is when they
Speaker 1: were having their most vivid lout nations, and this is
Speaker 1: when things were chilling out For David. He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. Maybe they were like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we've got enough babies, press, why don't you reel it
Speaker 1: in until these guys grow up leave the house. Well,
Speaker 1: David met a human woman, and I guess he did
Speaker 1: bring her a bouquet of flowers in the first date
Speaker 1: because it went well. They ended up falling in love
Speaker 1: and they got married. So David was living the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties dream right. Everything was bad to the bone, Coca cola,
Speaker 1: funky fresh, Reese's pieces, Yeah you get it, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get it, the eight modacious period. David had a little
Speaker 1: painting studio in their apartment. He loved Impressionism. It's something
Speaker 1: he just loved Impressionism. That's kind of the style he
Speaker 1: went with as well. No info on what his wife did,
Speaker 1: but they lived together and eventually they even had a
Speaker 1: son of their own named Michael. Yeah, and stunned his
Speaker 1: wife with his unprecedented knowledge of how to raise a baby.
Speaker 1: I wonder what she said when one day he went
Speaker 1: up to Michael and he's like, let me demonstrate how
Speaker 1: to how to nurse. All right, honey, take your shirt off.
Speaker 1: It's done. Like, I don't think it's that, No, I do.
Speaker 1: He's already latching, honey, let's let's not do that. So
Speaker 1: David had completely forgotten all these years of waking up
Speaker 1: in strange places. All that was behind him. But then
Speaker 1: around everything changed. David started to feel like someone was
Speaker 1: in their apartment when he was there alone. He started
Speaker 1: to feel like he was being watched. He got nervous
Speaker 1: and paranoid and anxious. Then he started having flashes of
Speaker 1: images in brightly lit rooms where there were strange looking
Speaker 1: creatures standing around him. He saw walls of babies and
Speaker 1: a strange nursery. He remembered a rod up his nose.
Speaker 1: He remembered an odd looking woman riding his dick in
Speaker 1: a clearing in the woods. And of course he started
Speaker 1: to wonder maybe he was going crazy. But then David
Speaker 1: heard about a book by a man named Bud Hopkins,
Speaker 1: who was one of the world's biggest you followed GISTs
Speaker 1: at the time. He was also an artist who grew
Speaker 1: up in the South and moved to New York City.
Speaker 1: He got some real acclaim for his abstract expressionist work
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and throughout the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: his artwork was recognized and respected. He was publishing articles
Speaker 1: about art and lecturing at different arts schools, but then
Speaker 1: one he published a book called Missing Time, which is
Speaker 1: described on Barnes and Noble's website as quote the first
Speaker 1: focused study of an enigma that would come to captivate
Speaker 1: the world and challenge our understanding of the universe. That
Speaker 1: enigma alien abduction. And from that point on Bud was
Speaker 1: known just as much for his UFO and abduction research
Speaker 1: as he was for his art. Bud had never been
Speaker 1: abducted himself, but in nineteen sixty four, he, his wife
Speaker 1: and a friend of theirs all saw a dark, flat,
Speaker 1: elliptical UFO hovering off the coast of Cape Cod and
Speaker 1: he reported it to the National Guard, but there amissive
Speaker 1: response made him think they were covering something up, which
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if there's if you if you know,
Speaker 1: if we had time to go through all the declassified
Speaker 1: UFO stuff that the government releast if there's like a
Speaker 1: Cape Cod incidence, that would be pretty interesting anyway. Then
Speaker 1: Bud started collecting stories of people who had alien encounters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and before long Bud was the guy for UFO stuff,
Speaker 1: and people were all coming to him about it. People
Speaker 1: who've been educted or had had sightings of their own.
Speaker 1: We're calling him up to tell him about it, try
Speaker 1: and make sense out of it all. And a lot
Speaker 1: of them were missing time with big gaps in their memories.
Speaker 1: One guy, his name was George Obarski. He had witnessed
Speaker 1: an alien spacecraft land in New Jersey and take some
Speaker 1: soil samples before getting back in their ship and flying away.
Speaker 1: After this, Bud Hopkins got involved in the New York
Speaker 1: State Mutual UFO Network or MUFUN to investigate some we
Speaker 1: don't get with the big deal. Is you mean about
Speaker 1: seeing an alien spaceship land and take soil samples as
Speaker 1: if they're studying the earth without our knowledge? And I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure, hey, when you've ever watched through New Jersey started,
Speaker 1: I better get some soil sample. Yeah, the place is
Speaker 1: a complete scientific anomaly. So that was you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to try our luck in Atlantic City. We
Speaker 1: ended up walking out of there with about six thousand
Speaker 1: lard nuts. Okay, so so you did well. We walked
Speaker 1: in with blackness. Okay. Okay, So you took the soil samples,
Speaker 1: did you run tests? What did you find? Every soil
Speaker 1: sample we pose from the New Jersey eg a band
Speaker 1: with what? I believe you how that's not fair, that's
Speaker 1: not fair. There are some beautiful parts of New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure some wonderful people live up there. My
Speaker 1: grandmother used to live in New Jersey and we would
Speaker 1: go visit her every summer. There's people who was lovely.
Speaker 1: It was lovely. Hey, do you know why it's so
Speaker 1: hard to cheer up on New Yorker Because the light
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey. Guys
Speaker 1: get getting that. We did have a difficult time studying
Speaker 1: in the back area and the New Jersey so well,
Speaker 1: because the New Jersey is impossible to find an active
Speaker 1: driving culture. Why do you have the same jokes about
Speaker 1: New Jersey that were right? You kids say that, no,
Speaker 1: it's sucked up. Jersey is cool. No, But seriously, folks,
Speaker 1: we should apologize to the human citizens of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm sure they'll appreciate that, thank you. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have it hard enough living in New Jersey. Alright, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, you guys. That's it. We're gonna take a
Speaker 1: commercial break. We're gonna have a little conversation with these
Speaker 1: two about their manners. We will be right back. It's
Speaker 1: the Gardens date. I'll have no welcome back to the
Speaker 1: show everyone, And we want to apologize for these sents, sleek,
Speaker 1: rue comments we made about New Jersey. Yes, you keep
Speaker 1: read that, it is true. Alright, alright, alright, to go
Speaker 1: go push your button please, thank you, thank you. Started
Speaker 1: pushing my buttons, pushing the buttons and everybody in the
Speaker 1: great state of New Jersey. Well, we don't want Jersey
Speaker 1: after us, you know, no, not really. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: some cement shoes, all right, all right. Before that little tangent,
Speaker 1: we were talking about how David Huggins having all of
Speaker 1: his forgotten abduction memories flashing back through his mind, and
Speaker 1: how he found a book by the ufologist Bud Hopkins,
Speaker 1: who saw one UFO and then dedicated his life to
Speaker 1: researching them. David said that he was drawn to this book,
Speaker 1: which was Bud hopkins second book called Intruders like a compulsion,
Speaker 1: Like he's just like I gotta read this book. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, and he started reading it super diligent,
Speaker 1: just every word. Hopkins himself is the guy who more
Speaker 1: or less popularized the idea of aliens abducting humans for
Speaker 1: genetic experiments, this whole idea of getting probed and experimented on.
Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins is the guy, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he pulled this from what everyone told him about their experiments.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he spoke to Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: Hill or not, but you know, I know they kind
Speaker 1: of talked about it and then would kind of not
Speaker 1: want to talk about it for a while, kind of
Speaker 1: back and forth for a while. Yeah, they definitely had
Speaker 1: like they had those needle the needle in her a
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And they did have some missing time
Speaker 1: as well, right because they couldn't remember their trip home
Speaker 1: driving home. I would imagine he was so diligent and
Speaker 1: they had a book published and everything, Like, I bet
Speaker 1: they spoke, you know. So. Bud Hopkins also believed that
Speaker 1: humans were basically being raped by aliens because of our
Speaker 1: ability to reproduce, Like they're literally just using us as
Speaker 1: baby making machines to crank out these hybrid human aliens
Speaker 1: that they were trying to create an army of. And
Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to, there's areous reasons that
Speaker 1: the aliens might be doing this. Right, Um, I know
Speaker 1: some people believe those hybrids have infiltrated our society at
Speaker 1: its highest levels today, William is one. Pretty soon they'll
Speaker 1: find out that we are, and that's we're just covering
Speaker 1: it up with our sarcasm. That's right, that's right. Our
Speaker 1: charm is nothing but a deflection. Well, they have to
Speaker 1: tell you, you know. Well, anyway, David reads this book
Speaker 1: and he says specifically that the chapter Other Women, other
Speaker 1: Men really broke his brain because he realized that Bud
Speaker 1: was basically describing his alien girlfriend Crescent in the book.
Speaker 1: And the more he read of the book, the more
Speaker 1: his memories were flooding back to him. Interesting, So the
Speaker 1: next time David saw Crescent, he's like, hey, look, I
Speaker 1: want to remember more of this. I want to document it,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to tell people what's happening here.
Speaker 1: And Christen's like, I don't know, doesn't seem like such
Speaker 1: a good idea. She's She's like, I've gotta ask my manages.
Speaker 1: So David gets brought back to the spaceship and he
Speaker 1: tells the thin man that he wants to take this
Speaker 1: relationship to the next level, and once again, all the
Speaker 1: aliens huddle together. If he did, they turned back around,
Speaker 1: and the thin man says, Okay, tell you what. You're
Speaker 1: an artist. We decided to let you paint about it.
Speaker 1: Paint about it, all right, I mean that's a form
Speaker 1: of expression, right. So they're like, don't say it in words,
Speaker 1: but said in something else. It's like interpretive dance. I
Speaker 1: wish they had told him become an interpretive dancer if
Speaker 1: he had been, if they had abducted a dancer, that
Speaker 1: that would have been. I would love to see an
Speaker 1: interpretive dance of this. Anyway, new friend, show who's in
Speaker 1: call me? So. Three weeks after this, David picked up
Speaker 1: a paintbrush and made his first painting, and that night
Speaker 1: he said he slept better than he had in a
Speaker 1: very long time. It was like his own form of therapy,
Speaker 1: just like expressing the thing that had honestly traumatized him.
Speaker 1: David even said, quote, I was traumatized. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I wasn't, but doing the paintings helped calm him down,
Speaker 1: and he said he was able to accept that these
Speaker 1: things had happened to him and helped him face them.
Speaker 1: He doesn't hate the aliens, he doesn't resent the aliens,
Speaker 1: and neither is he worshiping them or saying like, you know,
Speaker 1: our alien gods are coming back for us or anything
Speaker 1: like that. He's not even saying they're coming to hurt us.
Speaker 1: He's just like, ah, this happened, and yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was damaging, you know, like just you know that
Speaker 1: they didn't realize what they were doing or whatever. His
Speaker 1: sort of reasoning behind it is. But he's got this
Speaker 1: very pragmatic, practical look at it where he recognizes that
Speaker 1: there's some trauma um but also doesn't spin that into
Speaker 1: a whole conspiracy theory about how they're taking over the world.
Speaker 1: Right Also, like he's talking about the power of art therapy,
Speaker 1: which is very real for sure. For sure. Now, it's
Speaker 1: not clear, unfortunately, from the documentary or any of the
Speaker 1: articles that I read, which one of these paintings was
Speaker 1: David's first too bad, I know, I mean, it might
Speaker 1: have been the portrait of the tall naked woman with
Speaker 1: an alien face who's cupping her own boobs. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was one that he painted titled Nursing Lesson, which is
Speaker 1: the one where you can see him with Crescent's boob
Speaker 1: in his mouth while an alien baby watches. Now, do
Speaker 1: the boobs look like human boobs? Very human body looks
Speaker 1: like a human body, regular human boobs. Didn't He's got
Speaker 1: a great body. No, his his lady had a cat body.
Speaker 1: She was like a humanoid, but it was all furry
Speaker 1: like a cat. Right, but she had boobs and stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a human shaped body. But his was
Speaker 1: his was like this was like one of the cats
Speaker 1: and cats. He yeah, Simon barks is like released the
Speaker 1: butt hole cut um. Other paintings that might have been
Speaker 1: his first, I don't know. He has one called first Time,
Speaker 1: which shows Crescent mounting him in the clearing in the woods,
Speaker 1: or his painting Implant, which is the one where she's
Speaker 1: giving him the intergalactic COVID tests the metal rod up
Speaker 1: his nose um. There's paintings of him being dragged into
Speaker 1: the ship by the grays. There's ones of the nursery
Speaker 1: with its walls lined with hybrid babies, and one of
Speaker 1: my favorites, where a group of tall, strong women that
Speaker 1: all look a lot like crescent are holding David by
Speaker 1: his arms while another one of them jerks him off
Speaker 1: into a bowl. Romantic zaragoes are Christmas plans. Now you
Speaker 1: can see and I think you can still order some
Speaker 1: of the prints of some of these paintings on Love
Speaker 1: and Saucers dot com. Uh, I did not see the
Speaker 1: one with the bowl. That one. I only saw that
Speaker 1: one in the documentary. I couldn't find that anywhere on
Speaker 1: the internet. It's too bad. We can't by that and
Speaker 1: frame it up, make it be the first thing you
Speaker 1: see when welcome to our home. You better know. I
Speaker 1: want to set a tone whatetting into. But there are
Speaker 1: quite a few of the paintings on the website, and
Speaker 1: again just you can google him you'll find a lot
Speaker 1: of his pictures. They're really quite fascinating, but he insists
Speaker 1: that they are all real events that happen every painting
Speaker 1: he made. In fact, he says one time he was
Speaker 1: kind of frustrated with the aliens and he just made
Speaker 1: something up and painted it. He doesn't say what, but
Speaker 1: then afterwards he just felt really wrong about making this painting,
Speaker 1: and he destroyed it himself. And the next time he
Speaker 1: saw the aliens, they told him, quote, do the paintings,
Speaker 1: but don't make anything up. WHOA like, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about us, you're gonna be accurate. I don't want
Speaker 1: I don't want you telling tall tales. You're gonna keep
Speaker 1: it to the standard, believable, real story about how we
Speaker 1: abduct you, would have sex with you, and there are
Speaker 1: hundreds of your high head babies on our ship. No exaggeration,
Speaker 1: said that. Enough, right, we don't want people thinking you're crazy.
Speaker 1: We don't want people thinking bad things about us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to think we're gonna hold him down and
Speaker 1: jerk him off into a ball, simple believable alien stuff. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: just a few months after David read the Bud Hopkins book,
Speaker 1: he and his wife divorced. He said she knew that
Speaker 1: there was something different about him, but once he started
Speaker 1: doing all these paintings and came clean to her about
Speaker 1: his past experiences, she would not hear it. She was like,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to hear none of that abduction stuff.
Speaker 1: She called him crazy. She said he was making it
Speaker 1: all up. He's like, no, they won't let me. He said,
Speaker 1: right then and there, that was the end of their marriage,
Speaker 1: and he does admit that they were already having some troubles.
Speaker 1: They were a bit rocky, and he came to her
Speaker 1: and said, by the way, I've been sucking an alien
Speaker 1: for many years, and she was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that is maybe the straw that will break
Speaker 1: the backup, buddy, Camila, Honey, I know we've been having
Speaker 1: some problems lately, so I think I think the right
Speaker 1: thing to do is to come clean and this this
Speaker 1: will fix our relationship having sex with aliens for decades now.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to make a quick call to my
Speaker 1: divorce lawyer. At some point, his son, who was a
Speaker 1: young boy at the time, asked him who was in
Speaker 1: the paintings, and David just told him there were some
Speaker 1: friends of his that lived quote unquote someplace else. He
Speaker 1: should have just said Paulding, Georgia. Check going. As time
Speaker 1: went on, more people became aware of David's experiences, and generally,
Speaker 1: between the people interviewed in the documentary and other journalists
Speaker 1: who have written pieces, it seems like people kind of
Speaker 1: believe him, or at least they believe that he is
Speaker 1: being genuine about his experience, right right, Like the documentary
Speaker 1: is full of all these conversations with his friends and
Speaker 1: neighbors who all kind of say, like, look, this is
Speaker 1: a really sweet man who just told me about his life.
Speaker 1: He just told me what happened to him. Of course
Speaker 1: I believe him. Like I wasn't there, you know, I
Speaker 1: could say, right, no, you didn't get abducted by aliens.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Were you watching me that night? You know?
Speaker 1: They're like, who cares. David started working part time with
Speaker 1: this Delhi, partly to supplement his income and partly just
Speaker 1: so he could have some more human interaction. And his
Speaker 1: boss at that Delhi, says that everyone loves him, that
Speaker 1: he's a really good worker, and when they asked him
Speaker 1: if he believes David's stories, he said, quote, yes, I do.
Speaker 1: That's what he tells me, and I just believe it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone ever calls and they're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I can't come to work today. I'm a real sick,
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, you say it. I believe he's
Speaker 1: like the best manager, the worst. If you're working that day, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta cover all these bestards. I'm a friend of
Speaker 1: David's points out that it's not like David ever really
Speaker 1: profited off of this. He wasn't really trying to get interviews,
Speaker 1: he wasn't out there selling a book or anything like that.
Speaker 1: David was prolific with his art, but he never really
Speaker 1: did anything with his paintings. He never tried to sell
Speaker 1: him or anything until actually they set up a gallery
Speaker 1: show for him during the making of this documentary. And
Speaker 1: he's in his sixties at this point, and it's really
Speaker 1: kind of sweet to watch people get excited about his work.
Speaker 1: David's there for the opening and he's like answering questions
Speaker 1: and he's telling stories to these like very bewildered visitors
Speaker 1: that came to see this show. I mean, clearly, if
Speaker 1: you shut up for this show, you're interested. And the
Speaker 1: guy is they're ready to tell you his stories, and
Speaker 1: he's so earnest and just sweet, and he's just like yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: This is the part where they they held out the
Speaker 1: baby to me and I had to show him how
Speaker 1: to suck a boob. You know, his language is better
Speaker 1: than mine. I have to say I would go to
Speaker 1: this show absolutely. There an art gallery opening to compare
Speaker 1: to this one in uniqueness. Oh my goodness, if there
Speaker 1: is someone tell us so. Yeah, nobody is out here
Speaker 1: asking if David is making any of this up. And
Speaker 1: I think I think we felt similarly about Simon Park
Speaker 1: because he also is very like parathetic and eloquence and
Speaker 1: the way he talked about it, um, although Simon got
Speaker 1: way more into the idea that there's this conspiracy behind
Speaker 1: it all in the Mantids and Nordics are secretly running
Speaker 1: the world and pitting nations against each other for some reason.
Speaker 1: No one knows what that is. Step to something, step
Speaker 1: three profits. But David just kind of sweetly says that
Speaker 1: he has an alien girlfriend, it's been a weird life,
Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of babies out there. Um. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem to want to get too involved in
Speaker 1: all this, you know, conversation about what you know, what
Speaker 1: they're doing here, where they're from or whatever. Whenever he's
Speaker 1: asked about that, David just kind of shrugs and says, quote,
Speaker 1: if they ever tell me, I'll let you know. But
Speaker 1: he does say that despite the confusion and the trauma,
Speaker 1: he would stay with the aliens if they let him.
Speaker 1: Crescent actually asked her superiors once if David could just
Speaker 1: stay on the ship, but the Mantis told her no,
Speaker 1: he has to go back home. David says he would
Speaker 1: have gone with them and wouldn't miss Earth because all
Speaker 1: the global warming and wars and so on and so forth. Right,
Speaker 1: fair enough, David again, just another sweet answer he gave
Speaker 1: in the documentary. Or they're like, would you go with them?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of a mess here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds nice. It'd be funny if you were like,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I'm gonna leaver something. You get on
Speaker 1: the plane and like yeah, we'll take you to our
Speaker 1: home planet and you get there and it's like a
Speaker 1: ball of fire and he's like, damn, that's what I left.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he had to go back. Is it
Speaker 1: like a because you know when humans live in space
Speaker 1: for too long, right, like we yeah, it's like the expense,
Speaker 1: like our bones are different and we you know, just
Speaker 1: our weight is completely different, um distributed, so we just
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's something like that, like very practical
Speaker 1: reason why he can't come, or if it's like why not,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's I feel like the Mantis is just
Speaker 1: like you know, we've got rules. If you bring home
Speaker 1: your human mate, everybody's gonna want to bring one home.
Speaker 1: We can't have them running around. You know, you introduced
Speaker 1: an invasive species and you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And I mean humans are a very invasive species. Like
Speaker 1: look what they did to see how you want to leave.
Speaker 1: I don't want our qual of fire. Planets come from
Speaker 1: qual of fire. So yeah, again, sincerity is not really
Speaker 1: the question here. It's really more about what is really
Speaker 1: happening with David. Right, of course, we can only speculate
Speaker 1: ourselves because we don't know. I wasn't there either. He's
Speaker 1: never been on any medications, he's never been institutionalized, and
Speaker 1: he's never seemingly brought any harm or struggle to anyone
Speaker 1: that we know of. I mean, maybe some struggle for
Speaker 1: his wife, but we don't and can't know what happened
Speaker 1: with their marriage. She in fact, refused to be interviewed
Speaker 1: for the documentary. I can't really blame her for that.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just don't want to write. You're
Speaker 1: just like, whatever you want to think about me is fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not important to this story. I don't have any
Speaker 1: stake in it, Please leave me alone. There's no telling
Speaker 1: what was already a problem in their marriage, you know,
Speaker 1: between them, or what David is like as a husband.
Speaker 1: Part of me definitely thinks like, well that was It's
Speaker 1: a little harsh for her to just be like, you're crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this, um, you know. So maybe I
Speaker 1: would wish she'd be a little more understanding or or
Speaker 1: patient and maybe helping him get therapy or something that's
Speaker 1: what she feels like he needs. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: We don't know what was going on there, but I
Speaker 1: can definitely say that, like, if you hear this about
Speaker 1: your partner, you would be like, I do not want
Speaker 1: to spend the rest of my life being asked about this.
Speaker 1: You know. If I show up in this interview, I
Speaker 1: am attached to it forever anyone I try to date
Speaker 1: in the future, like it's you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a celebrity you didn't ask for, you know, and not
Speaker 1: a fun not necessarily a fun no. But I'm trying
Speaker 1: to piece it altogether myself. Here and again speculation space
Speaker 1: station for all of this, because I'm thinking, Okay, David
Speaker 1: had an abusive childhood, probably more than we even know.
Speaker 1: I'm I just mean emotional abuse. You know how frequent
Speaker 1: the physical abuse was? Was he not allowed to go
Speaker 1: you know, Oh no, I'm not driving you into town
Speaker 1: to hang out with your friends, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So he's out in the middle of nowhere with this
Speaker 1: probably a very wild and active imagination as he tries
Speaker 1: to entertain himself and even if they didn't beat him
Speaker 1: all the time, if they're drinking and fighting together enough
Speaker 1: of a like I'd like to escape from here. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's that, and then he goes. He escapes to
Speaker 1: New York City again in the nineteen sixties, not exactly
Speaker 1: a comfortable environment, and he starts missing time, you know,
Speaker 1: is he just who knows? If he gets there, and
Speaker 1: maybe he has a drinking problem himself. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's ever had an issue with that or not,
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't mention it. But for any number of reasons,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a psychological or a or a or a
Speaker 1: physical thing, you know, with his health, that he's missing
Speaker 1: time for some reason. Um in either case, later in life,
Speaker 1: he starts having troubles in his marriage and then he
Speaker 1: finds this book, right this Butt Hopkins Alien abduction book.
Speaker 1: And my question is because he says he never remembered
Speaker 1: these things earlier in life, and the book made the
Speaker 1: memories flood back to him. Did they or did they
Speaker 1: generate stories to fill in those gaps that his brain
Speaker 1: had previously tried to, you know, keep him safe from
Speaker 1: or hide from him. And now he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this alien woman. Yeah, that is the lady who stuck
Speaker 1: a rod up my nose and told me i'd feel better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the person who sexually abused me in the woods.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, it was just an alien woman. That's
Speaker 1: actually really cool. You know, your brain does some weird
Speaker 1: ship to help you cuse with trauma depending on what
Speaker 1: happens to you. Yeah, that's that's definitely a possibility, right,
Speaker 1: and again who knows? Arm pre Stir from that article
Speaker 1: on the art blog dot org said quote, If David
Speaker 1: is indeed crazy, he's in good company. Unusual ideas are
Speaker 1: almost always perceived as odd or askew until the common
Speaker 1: mind can make use of it, and as we all know,
Speaker 1: artists are anything but common. David's paintings may be the
Speaker 1: work of a madman, or David maybe the victim of
Speaker 1: childhood trauma or abuse, or the most radical scenario of all.
Speaker 1: David may be painting the truth. Your government is kick
Speaker 1: having people and by having to elaborate sets designed to
Speaker 1: look like spacious kicking them and keep thinking, having experiented
Speaker 1: on by aliens, that they actually doing it themselves. Yes,
Speaker 1: wearing big rubber costumes like in the Emission Impossible movies. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a stretch. I feel like you're overestimating our government's
Speaker 1: ability to coordinate project of that scale. And also why right,
Speaker 1: why would they do that? Look, we don't know. We're
Speaker 1: kind of a neutral party when it comes to alien
Speaker 1: human relations. Oh so you two are not involved with
Speaker 1: any of you all don't know christ at any of them. Well,
Speaker 1: we used to work for the game man, but honestly,
Speaker 1: I just cries a lot. Yeah, you think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a cool job with lots of travel and adventure,
Speaker 1: but then you spend most of your time talking your
Speaker 1: boss down off a ledge blush. That nursery smells like
Speaker 1: old scores naps. That sounds gross. You don't know the
Speaker 1: half of it, David, never talk aliens. How to change
Speaker 1: a diver and trash pickup is only every third Flirks Day.
Speaker 1: How often is that? Only twice at Gulf Noor? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? All right, um, guys, hang on a second.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the episode here. Yes, whatever analysis
Speaker 1: you need to make, we're here, vote it. We love
Speaker 1: the show. Hi coming to you. Um yeah, So I
Speaker 1: just don't know. Part of me is just like sure,
Speaker 1: I'm going to believe David because the other thing, the
Speaker 1: thing that weirds me out about it is the consistent
Speaker 1: similarities between a lot of these people's stories that seemingly
Speaker 1: come up with them independently. Right Like now, it's a
Speaker 1: little harder because everybody the idea of an alien is ubiquitous.
Speaker 1: We all sort of know sort of the Probes and
Speaker 1: the Grays and like we get all that. But early
Speaker 1: on the sixties and stuff, when it was just first happening,
Speaker 1: people in different parts of the world were describing very
Speaker 1: similar experiences. I mean, even Simon Parks had similar aliens,
Speaker 1: the the Nords and are the the Nordics and the Mantids,
Speaker 1: which are very mantis like creatures. His female alien he
Speaker 1: was having sex with we talked about before it was
Speaker 1: more of like a cat person um, whereas David's was
Speaker 1: more human with a gray face. But you wonder if
Speaker 1: there's not some mixed perception in there, because both of
Speaker 1: them say too, they're not. They don't seem to be
Speaker 1: fully conscious when they're involved with the aliens, you know,
Speaker 1: like they're they're they're both kind of have hazy sort
Speaker 1: of ideas about it. So I don't know, there's just
Speaker 1: some crossover that's like, Okay, I'm get a little uncomfortable now,
Speaker 1: but I still don't really believe it. I don't know
Speaker 1: because I in the Betty and Barney Hill episode, we
Speaker 1: talked about how they kind of were dismissed a little
Speaker 1: bit because around the time that they had they were
Speaker 1: started talking, there had been like a TV show or
Speaker 1: a book or something had come out that did have
Speaker 1: these types of aliens in them. And that was pretty
Speaker 1: early sixties. So it's like, you know, culture isn't as viral,
Speaker 1: you know, as today, but it does still happen in
Speaker 1: the past. So I wonder how many people just read
Speaker 1: like a pulp novel that a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: read because they're not into sci fi, And so you
Speaker 1: just happen to have people in the early sixties in
Speaker 1: different areas being like, oh, that just influenced my imagination
Speaker 1: in a certain way, or you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't seem to be wanting a lot of attention,
Speaker 1: so why would you bother making out the story? Is
Speaker 1: sort of the main thing for me is like what's
Speaker 1: the payoffs to just that you're interesting? Quote unquote. I
Speaker 1: mean I firmly believe that he's not making anything up
Speaker 1: in terms of just like he's not deliberately lying for
Speaker 1: attention or for profit or anything like that, because he's not.
Speaker 1: I think he really believes it. So it's a question
Speaker 1: of whether or not it happens or or what happened
Speaker 1: rather what actually happened right well? And does it immediately
Speaker 1: discredit you if you try to make money off your story,
Speaker 1: because I know Betty and Bernie Hill were definitely like,
Speaker 1: we got we want to tell people. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was because they want to make money
Speaker 1: or not, but you know, it's like if you had
Speaker 1: an alien encounter, would you not want to be like, guys,
Speaker 1: holy shit, it's true. There's people out there, and I've
Speaker 1: got to tell everyone because we need some like homeland
Speaker 1: security plan that terry security or something, and for people
Speaker 1: to come and tell you, well, you better not make
Speaker 1: any money off of your own experiences. Yeah, that's pretty twisted. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that would immediately mean that you
Speaker 1: must be lying no, but it does lend credence to it,
Speaker 1: because of course you're like, well, now you have a
Speaker 1: motive to lie exactly, and that's all you need sometimes
Speaker 1: to on someone. True, it's now speculation space to me.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that metal rod, yes, that he says
Speaker 1: got put up his nose. What if they were implanting
Speaker 1: something in his brain that was doing the job of
Speaker 1: kind of like making forget things, making him become immediately
Speaker 1: aroused when she shows up at the right time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: know that a human would be sexually attracted to you
Speaker 1: unless you made sure you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: you're like, the point is to breed with you, so
Speaker 1: I have to make sure that that thing works that
Speaker 1: you got. I don't know. Is there a lot of
Speaker 1: women who say they've been there are there are quite
Speaker 1: a few. I mean, I don't know about sex um,
Speaker 1: but I but I did read you know, there are
Speaker 1: a number of women who have also had alien encounters um.
Speaker 1: Of course, Betty being the first one we talked about,
Speaker 1: the first one there was, and she said it was
Speaker 1: there were fertility experiments, right, but none of them tried
Speaker 1: to sleep with her, right that it was mostly it
Speaker 1: seems like an implantation sort of vibe like could your
Speaker 1: could we put a baby in your room. We'd have
Speaker 1: to go look at Bud Hopkins book or some of
Speaker 1: these collective stories to get more of that. But but
Speaker 1: the way Budd describes it is that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of alien sexual encounters and um, and that a
Speaker 1: number of the people he talks about who have come
Speaker 1: to him are women. So you know, I'm deducing maybe that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I just wondered if the aliens, over a period of
Speaker 1: time learned like, hey, get the guys, the human guys,
Speaker 1: the alien ladies, and then we get our hybrids. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it's all a mess. We're not getting what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: Or if they you know, if the human woman is
Speaker 1: got a hybrid, you know what I'm saying, like growing
Speaker 1: in her stomach. But because she spends all her time
Speaker 1: on Earth, it just like you need to like constant,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, so kind of like nutrition or
Speaker 1: something like help it become a hybrid or I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Simon Park says he is part alien. His
Speaker 1: parents one of his aris was an alien. Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah. He said that one of
Speaker 1: them just impregnanted his mom or something like that. Hmm,
Speaker 1: So does that make him more compatible? Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wonder what this long game is.
Speaker 1: If the point is to breed, what's the long game?
Speaker 1: This has always been my question is why, And it's
Speaker 1: the question of so many conspiracies. I'm just like, what's
Speaker 1: exactly that? What is the end game? You know? Could
Speaker 1: the aliens? Maybe the aliens are so ancient that they
Speaker 1: forgot how to reproduce her. They can't themselves, you know,
Speaker 1: so they're using us to create more of them, even
Speaker 1: though they're like half of they're like half humans, better
Speaker 1: than nothing, you know. I don't know. I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is maybe it's not about taking over our planet.
Speaker 1: It's just like we're the resource that they need, so
Speaker 1: come here, harvest and then go home. Because I will
Speaker 1: say this, if the aliens are taking over our planet,
Speaker 1: if they're infiltrating our governments, if they're trying to control
Speaker 1: things here for whatever benefit they might be getting out
Speaker 1: of it. They're doing a terrible job. I have notes.
Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to discuss them with y'all. Have
Speaker 1: any note it is not going well? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know unless you're just strictly you know, you're
Speaker 1: sadists and this is entertainment. Well, I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to know if it's going well or not unless you
Speaker 1: know the goal. I don't understand how the goal could
Speaker 1: just be chaos. Yeah, maybe it's funny. Maybe we're their entertainment,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They're saying, and they're just watching us. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just watching the paint. And then sometimes they want
Speaker 1: to have sex, and sometimes they want to have se
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds very human to me, in which
Speaker 1: case I'm just like, come on down and hang out
Speaker 1: with us. All. We're doing the same thing. We love
Speaker 1: chaos and we like having sex. Like, come on, They're like,
Speaker 1: we all the same goals here. Yeah, exactly, come on, guys,
Speaker 1: we can hang out. No, they're like, we know how
Speaker 1: racist you are. We're not coming down there. It's true.
Speaker 1: Racism is one of the main things that keeps aliens
Speaker 1: from your planet. As you can see, we haven't been
Speaker 1: that amnt sid all kinds of things. Real rainbow coalition
Speaker 1: up there on that shop. Yeah, why can't we do it?
Speaker 1: Maybe you could teach us something. I wouldn't feel qualified
Speaker 1: to solve the problems of Earth racism if I it
Speaker 1: would make it that boring TD show. And this one's
Speaker 1: pretty funny. That's true with you guys, really nailed hit
Speaker 1: the nail on the head there. He has really hit
Speaker 1: the floor on the glen there by when you said
Speaker 1: that we were just watching the chaos because we've tuned
Speaker 1: in for a couple episodes. It's pretty good. You can
Speaker 1: do next. It's no scandal, but it's pretty good. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I think Carrie Washington, your first popular all hell Shonda rhyme,
Speaker 1: we struck a chord with you guys, our religion around
Speaker 1: Saunder rhymes. Well, it's less of a religion and more
Speaker 1: of just an intense fandom. Well, I guess I would.
Speaker 1: I would ask Ozark and clip glor you know, all
Speaker 1: have any sort of insight to help us wrap up
Speaker 1: this story? Uh, any sort of input as to what's
Speaker 1: going on here with David with these these other aliens.
Speaker 1: I know y'all aren't friends with them necessarily, but do
Speaker 1: you do you have any idea about what's really going on?
Speaker 1: H yes to say they're just real past Yes, it's true, man,
Speaker 1: this is always just trying to get laid. They go
Speaker 1: from planet to planet. They love watching. They like to
Speaker 1: prefer to watch. Honestly, if you if you ever having sex,
Speaker 1: thank you. Thank someone's watching. They are. It's a giant
Speaker 1: praying there this alien creature. Don't tell me, oh my god. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for that cheerful note. And I'm very scarily you're
Speaker 1: never going to have sex with the lights off again. Okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: that is very interesting insight from Glip Glip Glorbey. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for for beaming us up today the episode
Speaker 1: wishing us here with your magic glowing orb. Of course,
Speaker 1: any time we would love to have you again. Al Right,
Speaker 1: Can we get home though? Yes? Can we get home?
Speaker 1: Does there a wish in there for that? Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: figure it out after the out show music. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: great news, guys, that's perfect. Well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for tuning in today. Um, we hope you enjoyed this episode.
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Speaker 1: blying it? Are you an alien believer? Have you had
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