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Speaker 1: of these alien encounters, so talking I don't. I don't know.

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00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of murky here because I'm like, but do

424
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: you remember, you remember the flowers? You remember something's happening. Yeah,

425
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: but he's not really sure. He's just like, there's some

426
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: woman talking to me in my sleep, and then she

427
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: took the flowers. I know, we just got somebody in

428
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: trouble because there's somebody listening to this going like wow

429
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: that he bought flowers for somebody he didn't even know existed.

430
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: But you can't bring me flowers. I know. Maybe you

431
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: should have taken those Bodega flowers on your first date.

432
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: Next time, then you got a second date. Well, he

433
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: and Crescent saw each other nightly and they had tons

434
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: of sex, and I hope it got less painful, he said.

435
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: It always went the same way. Crescent was on top

436
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: of him, and in the corner of the room, the

437
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: mantis always watched the real Richard Worsley, Jeez, do you

438
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: think you think the mantis is like, yes, yes, open

439
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: his bill, take off slowly, Hey, guys, come in here

440
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: a check a roll off. And sometimes other aliens did

441
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: watch too, so maybe he did invite them. And naturally,

442
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: this young man wants to brag about his sexual exploits.

443
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: So one time when all the aliens were there, the

444
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: little Harry guy, our Mini Sasquatch, the Grays, the mantis, Crescent,

445
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: and the thin man, he asked them if he can

446
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: start talking about his encounters with other people. And they

447
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: all huddled up and conferred and they're like, looks to them,

448
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: listen good, any business stuff to me? And the thin

449
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: man looks back and says, so you can't let him

450
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: do that. Wow, he's their leader. He's breaking down stereotypes,

451
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Yeah, they wanted a man of

452
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: the people and a man of the thin man, a

453
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: man of the mantis. And David says, please, can I

454
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: just share a little And so they huddle back up

455
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and eventually come back, and the thin man says, Okay,

456
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: we talked it over. You can tell whoever you want

457
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: when you're fifty years old. Wow, which is quite I mean,

458
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're just like, no one will

459
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: believe a fifty year old man, right, what was so

460
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: special about being fifty? And they're like, you gotta let

461
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: us get our affairs in order first before you start

462
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: talking about it, before people start calling for interview. Right. Well,

463
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: one night, a little while later, Crescent shows up at

464
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: David's place and she is super stressed out. She's like

465
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: pacing back and forth. There's clearly something very wrong, and

466
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: she says, quote, David, the baby is dying. And David

467
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: is like, what baby are you talking about here? And

468
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: she says your baby, oh baby, And David learns that

469
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: he's actually an interstellar father, and so he starts making demands,

470
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: i'd let me see my baby. I want to see

471
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: my baby, and Crescent was very unsure about this. I

472
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: don't know if this is an idea. I'm not sure

473
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: if I'm allowed to bring you back for this, and

474
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: David is just insisting, so Chrest, it's like, all right,

475
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: we'll go back aboard the ship. She brings him to

476
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the ship. He arrives in this well lit room again

477
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: and everyone is standing around him, and the thin man

478
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: is very upset that David was brought here. What do

479
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: you think you're doing bringing David up here. We didn't

480
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: agree on this. He's not supposed to be coming up

481
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: to the ship like this. So Crescent then goes to

482
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: another room and she comes back in holding this very

483
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: odd looking baby, and she's just like arms straight out

484
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: in front of her, just dangling this baby, and it's

485
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: like not really responding or reacting or moving or anything,

486
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 1: and it's clearly really sick. And David is like, oh

487
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: my God, give me that. That's not how you hold

488
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: a baby. You gotta give me that baby. So she

489
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: hands it over to him, and as soon as she does,

490
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: this static electrical charge passed between David and the baby,

491
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: and the baby started moving. How yeah. The other aliens

492
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: were like, well, holy sh it, this guy just cured

493
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: the baby. And the mantis goes up to David and

494
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: he's like hey. He leads David into another room, and

495
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: in this one, the walls are lined with little beds

496
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and each one holds an infant. My nightmare, by the way,

497
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: I know, right, take me to a room and they're

498
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: at dick and barely moving. Even worse, David says, quote,

499
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: whose babies are these? And the mantis kind of tilts

500
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: his head to the side and just pointed David like,

501
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: obviously their years, bro, who's been sucking cresting a whole bunch?

502
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone, but you you know how

503
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: babies are made, buddy. He's like, I don't know actually

504
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: how they're made between because we have the only sex

505
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: book and all of so David went around the room

506
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: just touching each baby, and each one zapped back to help.

507
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: So then he's like, I gotta start teaching these aliens

508
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: how to be proper parents, which is funny because he's

509
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: not a parent. He's like, I guess I ought to

510
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: get some books like time for my instincts to kick

511
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: in my bothering instincts. I mean, I love that they

512
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: say that the human touch is very important to a baby,

513
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: but the idea that it's like this magical zapp that

514
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: brings them back to like that need. They needed a

515
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: specific human rearing right as opposed to an alien rearing,

516
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: which I guess is where you hold it straight out.

517
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: He even had to demonstrate how to nurse, and there

518
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: is paintings of him suckling Crescent's breast as she holds

519
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: one of the babies, like he's showing the baby. Get

520
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: it together. Kid. It's like it's stoppyest you put your

521
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: mouth here and until some comes out. Babies like oh

522
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: this whole time, what have I been thinking? It's a straw.

523
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I get it. It's all been up to me. Cresent

524
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I kept putting them and like on

525
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: my toes. I didn't know this was four. Didn't know

526
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: which hole was the inhole on these babies. Yikes. Baby's

527
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of holes humans and a lot of

528
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: how things go in I don't know what's going on

529
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: humans in general. Just a whole lot of holes in

530
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: your body. A lot of people are hearing this, like, hmmm,

531
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're childless. I love this idea of David

532
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: teaching like some like some eighties movie, like I gotta

533
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: teach these aliens how to be proper parents. Yes, what song?

534
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: What he's bringing? He brings them like a discovery zone.

535
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: They're like tossing the alien babies into the ballpits to

536
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: the rope course they go to check e cheese. The

537
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: band starts playing and they just don't they zapped the

538
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: death ray all the bands or they're like Charles Entertainment Cheese,

539
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: we meet again. I thought you died in the Battle

540
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: of Nag, but I see you've been hiding out on

541
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: Earth playing music entertainment cheese. Oh of the planet gorg Nag.

542
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: But after all these experiences, David is still immediately forgetting

543
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: everything that happens, like he doesn't really know this is

544
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: happening in real time. He just, I guess, gets kind

545
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: of confused about where he wakes up. Sometimes it's like

546
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: a moon night situation, like what slightly less exciting, Yeah, yeah,

547
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: I would say so. He's like covered in baby puke.

548
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: It's like, what where was I last night? I don't

549
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: work with children and As the years go on, aliens

550
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: are kind of visiting him less and less. The seventies

551
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: just kind of came and went, which is interesting to

552
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: me because for most people, the seventies is when they

553
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: were having their most vivid lout nations, and this is

554
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: when things were chilling out For David. He's like, I

555
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know why. Maybe they were like, you know what,

556
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: we've got enough babies, press, why don't you reel it

557
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: in until these guys grow up leave the house. Well,

558
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: David met a human woman, and I guess he did

559
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: bring her a bouquet of flowers in the first date

560
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: because it went well. They ended up falling in love

561
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: and they got married. So David was living the nineteen

562
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: eighties dream right. Everything was bad to the bone, Coca cola,

563
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: funky fresh, Reese's pieces, Yeah you get it, Yeah, you

564
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: get it, the eight modacious period. David had a little

565
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: painting studio in their apartment. He loved Impressionism. It's something

566
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: he just loved Impressionism. That's kind of the style he

567
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: went with as well. No info on what his wife did,

568
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: but they lived together and eventually they even had a

569
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: son of their own named Michael. Yeah, and stunned his

570
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: wife with his unprecedented knowledge of how to raise a baby.

571
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: I wonder what she said when one day he went

572
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: up to Michael and he's like, let me demonstrate how

573
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: to how to nurse. All right, honey, take your shirt off.

574
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: It's done. Like, I don't think it's that, No, I do.

575
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: He's already latching, honey, let's let's not do that. So

576
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: David had completely forgotten all these years of waking up

577
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: in strange places. All that was behind him. But then

578
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: around everything changed. David started to feel like someone was

579
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: in their apartment when he was there alone. He started

580
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: to feel like he was being watched. He got nervous

581
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: and paranoid and anxious. Then he started having flashes of

582
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: images in brightly lit rooms where there were strange looking

583
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: creatures standing around him. He saw walls of babies and

584
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: a strange nursery. He remembered a rod up his nose.

585
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: He remembered an odd looking woman riding his dick in

586
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: a clearing in the woods. And of course he started

587
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: to wonder maybe he was going crazy. But then David

588
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: heard about a book by a man named Bud Hopkins,

589
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: who was one of the world's biggest you followed GISTs

590
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: at the time. He was also an artist who grew

591
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: up in the South and moved to New York City.

592
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: He got some real acclaim for his abstract expressionist work

593
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and throughout the sixties and seventies,

594
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: his artwork was recognized and respected. He was publishing articles

595
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: about art and lecturing at different arts schools, but then

596
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: one he published a book called Missing Time, which is

597
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: described on Barnes and Noble's website as quote the first

598
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: focused study of an enigma that would come to captivate

599
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: the world and challenge our understanding of the universe. That

600
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: enigma alien abduction. And from that point on Bud was

601
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: known just as much for his UFO and abduction research

602
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: as he was for his art. Bud had never been

603
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: abducted himself, but in nineteen sixty four, he, his wife

604
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: and a friend of theirs all saw a dark, flat,

605
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: elliptical UFO hovering off the coast of Cape Cod and

606
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: he reported it to the National Guard, but there amissive

607
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: response made him think they were covering something up, which

608
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if there's if you if you know,

609
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: if we had time to go through all the declassified

610
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: UFO stuff that the government releast if there's like a

611
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Cape Cod incidence, that would be pretty interesting anyway. Then

612
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Bud started collecting stories of people who had alien encounters. Yeah,

613
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: and before long Bud was the guy for UFO stuff,

614
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: and people were all coming to him about it. People

615
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: who've been educted or had had sightings of their own.

616
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: We're calling him up to tell him about it, try

617
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: and make sense out of it all. And a lot

618
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: of them were missing time with big gaps in their memories.

619
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: One guy, his name was George Obarski. He had witnessed

620
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: an alien spacecraft land in New Jersey and take some

621
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: soil samples before getting back in their ship and flying away.

622
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: After this, Bud Hopkins got involved in the New York

623
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: State Mutual UFO Network or MUFUN to investigate some we

624
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: don't get with the big deal. Is you mean about

625
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: seeing an alien spaceship land and take soil samples as

626
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: if they're studying the earth without our knowledge? And I'm

627
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure, hey, when you've ever watched through New Jersey started,

628
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I better get some soil sample. Yeah, the place is

629
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: a complete scientific anomaly. So that was you. Oh yeah,

630
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to try our luck in Atlantic City. We

631
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: ended up walking out of there with about six thousand

632
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: lard nuts. Okay, so so you did well. We walked

633
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: in with blackness. Okay. Okay, So you took the soil samples,

634
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: did you run tests? What did you find? Every soil

635
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: sample we pose from the New Jersey eg a band

636
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: with what? I believe you how that's not fair, that's

637
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: not fair. There are some beautiful parts of New Jersey,

638
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sure some wonderful people live up there. My

639
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: grandmother used to live in New Jersey and we would

640
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: go visit her every summer. There's people who was lovely.

641
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: It was lovely. Hey, do you know why it's so

642
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: hard to cheer up on New Yorker Because the light

643
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey. Guys

644
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: get getting that. We did have a difficult time studying

645
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: in the back area and the New Jersey so well,

646
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: because the New Jersey is impossible to find an active

647
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: driving culture. Why do you have the same jokes about

648
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: New Jersey that were right? You kids say that, no,

649
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: it's sucked up. Jersey is cool. No, But seriously, folks,

650
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: we should apologize to the human citizens of New Jersey.

651
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm sure they'll appreciate that, thank you. I mean,

652
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: they have it hard enough living in New Jersey. Alright, okay,

653
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: all right, you guys. That's it. We're gonna take a

654
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: commercial break. We're gonna have a little conversation with these

655
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: two about their manners. We will be right back. It's

656
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: the Gardens date. I'll have no welcome back to the

657
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: show everyone, And we want to apologize for these sents, sleek,

658
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: rue comments we made about New Jersey. Yes, you keep

659
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: read that, it is true. Alright, alright, alright, to go

660
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: go push your button please, thank you, thank you. Started

661
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: pushing my buttons, pushing the buttons and everybody in the

662
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: great state of New Jersey. Well, we don't want Jersey

663
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: after us, you know, no, not really. We're gonna get

664
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: some cement shoes, all right, all right. Before that little tangent,

665
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: we were talking about how David Huggins having all of

666
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: his forgotten abduction memories flashing back through his mind, and

667
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: how he found a book by the ufologist Bud Hopkins,

668
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: who saw one UFO and then dedicated his life to

669
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: researching them. David said that he was drawn to this book,

670
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: which was Bud hopkins second book called Intruders like a compulsion,

671
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: Like he's just like I gotta read this book. I

672
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: don't know why, and he started reading it super diligent,

673
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: just every word. Hopkins himself is the guy who more

674
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: or less popularized the idea of aliens abducting humans for

675
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: genetic experiments, this whole idea of getting probed and experimented on.

676
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins is the guy, and I mean, you know,

677
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: he pulled this from what everyone told him about their experiments.

678
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if he spoke to Betty and Barney

679
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: Hill or not, but you know, I know they kind

680
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: of talked about it and then would kind of not

681
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about it for a while, kind of

682
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: back and forth for a while. Yeah, they definitely had

683
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: like they had those needle the needle in her a

684
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And they did have some missing time

685
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: as well, right because they couldn't remember their trip home

686
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: driving home. I would imagine he was so diligent and

687
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: they had a book published and everything, Like, I bet

688
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: they spoke, you know. So. Bud Hopkins also believed that

689
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: humans were basically being raped by aliens because of our

690
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: ability to reproduce, Like they're literally just using us as

691
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: baby making machines to crank out these hybrid human aliens

692
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: that they were trying to create an army of. And

693
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to, there's areous reasons that

694
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the aliens might be doing this. Right, Um, I know

695
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: some people believe those hybrids have infiltrated our society at

696
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: its highest levels today, William is one. Pretty soon they'll

697
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: find out that we are, and that's we're just covering

698
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: it up with our sarcasm. That's right, that's right. Our

699
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: charm is nothing but a deflection. Well, they have to

700
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: tell you, you know. Well, anyway, David reads this book

701
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: and he says specifically that the chapter Other Women, other

702
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Men really broke his brain because he realized that Bud

703
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: was basically describing his alien girlfriend Crescent in the book.

704
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: And the more he read of the book, the more

705
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: his memories were flooding back to him. Interesting, So the

706
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: next time David saw Crescent, he's like, hey, look, I

707
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: want to remember more of this. I want to document it,

708
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, I want to tell people what's happening here.

709
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: And Christen's like, I don't know, doesn't seem like such

710
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: a good idea. She's She's like, I've gotta ask my manages.

711
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: So David gets brought back to the spaceship and he

712
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: tells the thin man that he wants to take this

713
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: relationship to the next level, and once again, all the

714
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: aliens huddle together. If he did, they turned back around,

715
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: and the thin man says, Okay, tell you what. You're

716
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: an artist. We decided to let you paint about it.

717
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Paint about it, all right, I mean that's a form

718
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: of expression, right. So they're like, don't say it in words,

719
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: but said in something else. It's like interpretive dance. I

720
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: wish they had told him become an interpretive dancer if

721
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: he had been, if they had abducted a dancer, that

722
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: that would have been. I would love to see an

723
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: interpretive dance of this. Anyway, new friend, show who's in

724
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: call me? So. Three weeks after this, David picked up

725
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: a paintbrush and made his first painting, and that night

726
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: he said he slept better than he had in a

727
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: very long time. It was like his own form of therapy,

728
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: just like expressing the thing that had honestly traumatized him.

729
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: David even said, quote, I was traumatized. I'm not saying

730
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't, but doing the paintings helped calm him down,

731
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: and he said he was able to accept that these

732
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: things had happened to him and helped him face them.

733
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't hate the aliens, he doesn't resent the aliens,

734
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: and neither is he worshiping them or saying like, you know,

735
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: our alien gods are coming back for us or anything

736
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: like that. He's not even saying they're coming to hurt us.

737
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: He's just like, ah, this happened, and yeah it was.

738
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: It was damaging, you know, like just you know that

739
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: they didn't realize what they were doing or whatever. His

740
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: sort of reasoning behind it is. But he's got this

741
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: very pragmatic, practical look at it where he recognizes that

742
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: there's some trauma um but also doesn't spin that into

743
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: a whole conspiracy theory about how they're taking over the world.

744
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: Right Also, like he's talking about the power of art therapy,

745
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: which is very real for sure. For sure. Now, it's

746
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: not clear, unfortunately, from the documentary or any of the

747
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: articles that I read, which one of these paintings was

748
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: David's first too bad, I know, I mean, it might

749
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: have been the portrait of the tall naked woman with

750
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: an alien face who's cupping her own boobs. Maybe it

751
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: was one that he painted titled Nursing Lesson, which is

752
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the one where you can see him with Crescent's boob

753
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: in his mouth while an alien baby watches. Now, do

754
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: the boobs look like human boobs? Very human body looks

755
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: like a human body, regular human boobs. Didn't He's got

756
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: a great body. No, his his lady had a cat body.

757
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: She was like a humanoid, but it was all furry

758
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: like a cat. Right, but she had boobs and stuff, right, Yeah,

759
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: it was like a human shaped body. But his was

760
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: his was like this was like one of the cats

761
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: and cats. He yeah, Simon barks is like released the

762
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: butt hole cut um. Other paintings that might have been

763
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: his first, I don't know. He has one called first Time,

764
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: which shows Crescent mounting him in the clearing in the woods,

765
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: or his painting Implant, which is the one where she's

766
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: giving him the intergalactic COVID tests the metal rod up

767
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: his nose um. There's paintings of him being dragged into

768
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the ship by the grays. There's ones of the nursery

769
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: with its walls lined with hybrid babies, and one of

770
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: my favorites, where a group of tall, strong women that

771
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: all look a lot like crescent are holding David by

772
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: his arms while another one of them jerks him off

773
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: into a bowl. Romantic zaragoes are Christmas plans. Now you

774
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: can see and I think you can still order some

775
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: of the prints of some of these paintings on Love

776
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: and Saucers dot com. Uh, I did not see the

777
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: one with the bowl. That one. I only saw that

778
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: one in the documentary. I couldn't find that anywhere on

779
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: the internet. It's too bad. We can't by that and

780
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: frame it up, make it be the first thing you

781
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: see when welcome to our home. You better know. I

782
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: want to set a tone whatetting into. But there are

783
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: quite a few of the paintings on the website, and

784
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: again just you can google him you'll find a lot

785
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: of his pictures. They're really quite fascinating, but he insists

786
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: that they are all real events that happen every painting

787
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: he made. In fact, he says one time he was

788
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of frustrated with the aliens and he just made

789
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: something up and painted it. He doesn't say what, but

790
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: then afterwards he just felt really wrong about making this painting,

791
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: and he destroyed it himself. And the next time he

792
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: saw the aliens, they told him, quote, do the paintings,

793
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: but don't make anything up. WHOA like, if you're gonna

794
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: talk about us, you're gonna be accurate. I don't want

795
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't want you telling tall tales. You're gonna keep

796
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: it to the standard, believable, real story about how we

797
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: abduct you, would have sex with you, and there are

798
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of your high head babies on our ship. No exaggeration,

799
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: said that. Enough, right, we don't want people thinking you're crazy.

800
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: We don't want people thinking bad things about us. Yeah,

801
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to think we're gonna hold him down and

802
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: jerk him off into a ball, simple believable alien stuff. Unfortunately,

803
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: just a few months after David read the Bud Hopkins book,

804
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: he and his wife divorced. He said she knew that

805
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: there was something different about him, but once he started

806
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: doing all these paintings and came clean to her about

807
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: his past experiences, she would not hear it. She was like,

808
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to hear none of that abduction stuff.

809
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: She called him crazy. She said he was making it

810
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: all up. He's like, no, they won't let me. He said,

811
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: right then and there, that was the end of their marriage,

812
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: and he does admit that they were already having some troubles.

813
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: They were a bit rocky, and he came to her

814
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: and said, by the way, I've been sucking an alien

815
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: for many years, and she was like, you know what,

816
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: I think that is maybe the straw that will break

817
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: the backup, buddy, Camila, Honey, I know we've been having

818
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: some problems lately, so I think I think the right

819
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: thing to do is to come clean and this this

820
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: will fix our relationship having sex with aliens for decades now.

821
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm just going to make a quick call to my

822
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: divorce lawyer. At some point, his son, who was a

823
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: young boy at the time, asked him who was in

824
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: the paintings, and David just told him there were some

825
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: friends of his that lived quote unquote someplace else. He

826
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: should have just said Paulding, Georgia. Check going. As time

827
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: went on, more people became aware of David's experiences, and generally,

828
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: between the people interviewed in the documentary and other journalists

829
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: who have written pieces, it seems like people kind of

830
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: believe him, or at least they believe that he is

831
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: being genuine about his experience, right right, Like the documentary

832
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: is full of all these conversations with his friends and

833
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: neighbors who all kind of say, like, look, this is

834
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: a really sweet man who just told me about his life.

835
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: He just told me what happened to him. Of course

836
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: I believe him. Like I wasn't there, you know, I

837
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: could say, right, no, you didn't get abducted by aliens.

838
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Were you watching me that night? You know?

839
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: They're like, who cares. David started working part time with

840
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: this Delhi, partly to supplement his income and partly just

841
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: so he could have some more human interaction. And his

842
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: boss at that Delhi, says that everyone loves him, that

843
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: he's a really good worker, and when they asked him

844
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: if he believes David's stories, he said, quote, yes, I do.

845
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: That's what he tells me, and I just believe it.

846
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone ever calls and they're like, hey, man,

847
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: I can't come to work today. I'm a real sick,

848
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, you say it. I believe he's

849
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: like the best manager, the worst. If you're working that day, yeah,

850
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: I gotta cover all these bestards. I'm a friend of

851
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: David's points out that it's not like David ever really

852
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: profited off of this. He wasn't really trying to get interviews,

853
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't out there selling a book or anything like that.

854
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: David was prolific with his art, but he never really

855
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: did anything with his paintings. He never tried to sell

856
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: him or anything until actually they set up a gallery

857
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: show for him during the making of this documentary. And

858
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: he's in his sixties at this point, and it's really

859
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: kind of sweet to watch people get excited about his work.

860
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: David's there for the opening and he's like answering questions

861
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: and he's telling stories to these like very bewildered visitors

862
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: that came to see this show. I mean, clearly, if

863
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: you shut up for this show, you're interested. And the

864
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: guy is they're ready to tell you his stories, and

865
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: he's so earnest and just sweet, and he's just like yeah, yeah, no.

866
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: This is the part where they they held out the

867
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: baby to me and I had to show him how

868
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: to suck a boob. You know, his language is better

869
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: than mine. I have to say I would go to

870
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: this show absolutely. There an art gallery opening to compare

871
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: to this one in uniqueness. Oh my goodness, if there

872
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: is someone tell us so. Yeah, nobody is out here

873
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: asking if David is making any of this up. And

874
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: I think I think we felt similarly about Simon Park

875
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: because he also is very like parathetic and eloquence and

876
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: the way he talked about it, um, although Simon got

877
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: way more into the idea that there's this conspiracy behind

878
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: it all in the Mantids and Nordics are secretly running

879
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: the world and pitting nations against each other for some reason.

880
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: No one knows what that is. Step to something, step

881
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: three profits. But David just kind of sweetly says that

882
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: he has an alien girlfriend, it's been a weird life,

883
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of babies out there. Um. But

884
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem to want to get too involved in

885
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: all this, you know, conversation about what you know, what

886
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: they're doing here, where they're from or whatever. Whenever he's

887
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: asked about that, David just kind of shrugs and says, quote,

888
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: if they ever tell me, I'll let you know. But

889
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: he does say that despite the confusion and the trauma,

890
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: he would stay with the aliens if they let him.

891
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: Crescent actually asked her superiors once if David could just

892
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: stay on the ship, but the Mantis told her no,

893
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: he has to go back home. David says he would

894
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: have gone with them and wouldn't miss Earth because all

895
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: the global warming and wars and so on and so forth. Right,

896
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: fair enough, David again, just another sweet answer he gave

897
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: in the documentary. Or they're like, would you go with them?

898
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of a mess here, Yeah,

899
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: it sounds nice. It'd be funny if you were like,

900
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I'm gonna leaver something. You get on

901
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: the plane and like yeah, we'll take you to our

902
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: home planet and you get there and it's like a

903
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 1: ball of fire and he's like, damn, that's what I left.

904
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if he had to go back. Is it

905
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: like a because you know when humans live in space

906
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: for too long, right, like we yeah, it's like the expense,

907
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: like our bones are different and we you know, just

908
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: our weight is completely different, um distributed, so we just

909
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's something like that, like very practical

910
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: reason why he can't come, or if it's like why not,

911
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, what's I feel like the Mantis is just

912
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: like you know, we've got rules. If you bring home

913
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: your human mate, everybody's gonna want to bring one home.

914
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: We can't have them running around. You know, you introduced

915
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: an invasive species and you never know what's going to happen.

916
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: And I mean humans are a very invasive species. Like

917
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: look what they did to see how you want to leave.

918
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't want our qual of fire. Planets come from

919
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: qual of fire. So yeah, again, sincerity is not really

920
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: the question here. It's really more about what is really

921
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: happening with David. Right, of course, we can only speculate

922
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: ourselves because we don't know. I wasn't there either. He's

923
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: never been on any medications, he's never been institutionalized, and

924
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: he's never seemingly brought any harm or struggle to anyone

925
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: that we know of. I mean, maybe some struggle for

926
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: his wife, but we don't and can't know what happened

927
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: with their marriage. She in fact, refused to be interviewed

928
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: for the documentary. I can't really blame her for that.

929
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just don't want to write. You're

930
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: just like, whatever you want to think about me is fine.

931
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm not important to this story. I don't have any

932
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: stake in it, Please leave me alone. There's no telling

933
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: what was already a problem in their marriage, you know,

934
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: between them, or what David is like as a husband.

935
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Part of me definitely thinks like, well that was It's

936
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: a little harsh for her to just be like, you're crazy,

937
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm done with this, um, you know. So maybe I

938
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: would wish she'd be a little more understanding or or

939
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: patient and maybe helping him get therapy or something that's

940
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: what she feels like he needs. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

941
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: We don't know what was going on there, but I

942
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: can definitely say that, like, if you hear this about

943
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: your partner, you would be like, I do not want

944
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: to spend the rest of my life being asked about this.

945
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: You know. If I show up in this interview, I

946
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: am attached to it forever anyone I try to date

947
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: in the future, like it's you know, it's kind of

948
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: a celebrity you didn't ask for, you know, and not

949
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: a fun not necessarily a fun no. But I'm trying

950
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: to piece it altogether myself. Here and again speculation space

951
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: station for all of this, because I'm thinking, Okay, David

952
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: had an abusive childhood, probably more than we even know.

953
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm I just mean emotional abuse. You know how frequent

954
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: the physical abuse was? Was he not allowed to go

955
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, Oh no, I'm not driving you into town

956
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: to hang out with your friends, that kind of thing.

957
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: So he's out in the middle of nowhere with this

958
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: probably a very wild and active imagination as he tries

959
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: to entertain himself and even if they didn't beat him

960
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: all the time, if they're drinking and fighting together enough

961
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: of a like I'd like to escape from here. Absolutely, Yeah,

962
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: So there's that, and then he goes. He escapes to

963
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: New York City again in the nineteen sixties, not exactly

964
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: a comfortable environment, and he starts missing time, you know,

965
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: is he just who knows? If he gets there, and

966
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: maybe he has a drinking problem himself. I don't know

967
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: if he's ever had an issue with that or not,

968
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't mention it. But for any number of reasons,

969
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's a psychological or a or a or a

970
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: physical thing, you know, with his health, that he's missing

971
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: time for some reason. Um in either case, later in life,

972
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: he starts having troubles in his marriage and then he

973
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: finds this book, right this Butt Hopkins Alien abduction book.

974
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: And my question is because he says he never remembered

975
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: these things earlier in life, and the book made the

976
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: memories flood back to him. Did they or did they

977
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: generate stories to fill in those gaps that his brain

978
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: had previously tried to, you know, keep him safe from

979
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: or hide from him. And now he's like, oh my god,

980
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: this alien woman. Yeah, that is the lady who stuck

981
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: a rod up my nose and told me i'd feel better. Yeah,

982
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: that is the person who sexually abused me in the woods.

983
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, it was just an alien woman. That's

984
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: actually really cool. You know, your brain does some weird

985
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: ship to help you cuse with trauma depending on what

986
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: happens to you. Yeah, that's that's definitely a possibility, right,

987
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: and again who knows? Arm pre Stir from that article

988
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: on the art blog dot org said quote, If David

989
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: is indeed crazy, he's in good company. Unusual ideas are

990
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: almost always perceived as odd or askew until the common

991
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: mind can make use of it, and as we all know,

992
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: artists are anything but common. David's paintings may be the

993
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: work of a madman, or David maybe the victim of

994
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: childhood trauma or abuse, or the most radical scenario of all.

995
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: David may be painting the truth. Your government is kick

996
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: having people and by having to elaborate sets designed to

997
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: look like spacious kicking them and keep thinking, having experiented

998
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: on by aliens, that they actually doing it themselves. Yes,

999
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: wearing big rubber costumes like in the Emission Impossible movies. Okay,

1000
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: that's a stretch. I feel like you're overestimating our government's

1001
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: ability to coordinate project of that scale. And also why right,

1002
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: why would they do that? Look, we don't know. We're

1003
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of a neutral party when it comes to alien

1004
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: human relations. Oh so you two are not involved with

1005
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: any of you all don't know christ at any of them. Well,

1006
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: we used to work for the game man, but honestly,

1007
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I just cries a lot. Yeah, you think it's gonna

1008
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: be a cool job with lots of travel and adventure,

1009
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: but then you spend most of your time talking your

1010
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: boss down off a ledge blush. That nursery smells like

1011
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: old scores naps. That sounds gross. You don't know the

1012
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: half of it, David, never talk aliens. How to change

1013
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: a diver and trash pickup is only every third Flirks Day.

1014
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: How often is that? Only twice at Gulf Noor? Oh

1015
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: my god? All right, um, guys, hang on a second.

1016
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the episode here. Yes, whatever analysis

1017
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: you need to make, we're here, vote it. We love

1018
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: the show. Hi coming to you. Um yeah, So I

1019
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: just don't know. Part of me is just like sure,

1020
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to believe David because the other thing, the

1021
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: thing that weirds me out about it is the consistent

1022
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: similarities between a lot of these people's stories that seemingly

1023
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: come up with them independently. Right Like now, it's a

1024
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: little harder because everybody the idea of an alien is ubiquitous.

1025
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: We all sort of know sort of the Probes and

1026
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: the Grays and like we get all that. But early

1027
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: on the sixties and stuff, when it was just first happening,

1028
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: people in different parts of the world were describing very

1029
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: similar experiences. I mean, even Simon Parks had similar aliens,

1030
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: the the Nords and are the the Nordics and the Mantids,

1031
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: which are very mantis like creatures. His female alien he

1032
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: was having sex with we talked about before it was

1033
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: more of like a cat person um, whereas David's was

1034
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: more human with a gray face. But you wonder if

1035
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: there's not some mixed perception in there, because both of

1036
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: them say too, they're not. They don't seem to be

1037
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: fully conscious when they're involved with the aliens, you know,

1038
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: like they're they're they're both kind of have hazy sort

1039
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: of ideas about it. So I don't know, there's just

1040
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: some crossover that's like, Okay, I'm get a little uncomfortable now,

1041
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: but I still don't really believe it. I don't know

1042
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: because I in the Betty and Barney Hill episode, we

1043
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: talked about how they kind of were dismissed a little

1044
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: bit because around the time that they had they were

1045
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: started talking, there had been like a TV show or

1046
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: a book or something had come out that did have

1047
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: these types of aliens in them. And that was pretty

1048
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: early sixties. So it's like, you know, culture isn't as viral,

1049
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, as today, but it does still happen in

1050
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: the past. So I wonder how many people just read

1051
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: like a pulp novel that a lot of people don't

1052
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: read because they're not into sci fi, And so you

1053
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: just happen to have people in the early sixties in

1054
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: different areas being like, oh, that just influenced my imagination

1055
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: in a certain way, or you know, I don't know,

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01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't seem to be wanting a lot of attention,

1057
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: so why would you bother making out the story? Is

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01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: sort of the main thing for me is like what's

1059
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: the payoffs to just that you're interesting? Quote unquote. I

1060
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: mean I firmly believe that he's not making anything up

1061
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: in terms of just like he's not deliberately lying for

1062
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: attention or for profit or anything like that, because he's not.

1063
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: I think he really believes it. So it's a question

1064
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: of whether or not it happens or or what happened

1065
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: rather what actually happened right well? And does it immediately

1066
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: discredit you if you try to make money off your story,

1067
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: because I know Betty and Bernie Hill were definitely like,

1068
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: we got we want to tell people. And I don't

1069
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 1: know if it was because they want to make money

1070
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: or not, but you know, it's like if you had

1071
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: an alien encounter, would you not want to be like, guys,

1072
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: holy shit, it's true. There's people out there, and I've

1073
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: got to tell everyone because we need some like homeland

1074
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: security plan that terry security or something, and for people

1075
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: to come and tell you, well, you better not make

1076
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: any money off of your own experiences. Yeah, that's pretty twisted. Yeah.

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01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why that would immediately mean that you

1078
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: must be lying no, but it does lend credence to it,

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01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: because of course you're like, well, now you have a

1080
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: motive to lie exactly, and that's all you need sometimes

1081
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: to on someone. True, it's now speculation space to me.

1082
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that metal rod, yes, that he says

1083
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: got put up his nose. What if they were implanting

1084
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: something in his brain that was doing the job of

1085
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of like making forget things, making him become immediately

1086
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: aroused when she shows up at the right time, you

1087
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because I'm like, how do you

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01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: know that a human would be sexually attracted to you

1089
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: unless you made sure you know what I mean? And

1090
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: you're like, the point is to breed with you, so

1091
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: I have to make sure that that thing works that

1092
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: you got. I don't know. Is there a lot of

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: women who say they've been there are there are quite

1094
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: a few. I mean, I don't know about sex um,

1095
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: but I but I did read you know, there are

1096
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: a number of women who have also had alien encounters um.

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: Of course, Betty being the first one we talked about,

1098
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: the first one there was, and she said it was

1099
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: there were fertility experiments, right, but none of them tried

1100
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: to sleep with her, right that it was mostly it

1101
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: seems like an implantation sort of vibe like could your

1102
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: could we put a baby in your room. We'd have

1103
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: to go look at Bud Hopkins book or some of

1104
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: these collective stories to get more of that. But but

1105
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: the way Budd describes it is that there are a

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: lot of alien sexual encounters and um, and that a

1107
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: number of the people he talks about who have come

1108
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: to him are women. So you know, I'm deducing maybe that, Yes,

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: I just wondered if the aliens, over a period of

1110
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: time learned like, hey, get the guys, the human guys,

1111
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: the alien ladies, and then we get our hybrids. Otherwise

1112
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: it's all a mess. We're not getting what we're looking for.

1113
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: Or if they you know, if the human woman is

1114
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: got a hybrid, you know what I'm saying, like growing

1115
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: in her stomach. But because she spends all her time

1116
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: on Earth, it just like you need to like constant,

1117
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know, so kind of like nutrition or

1118
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: something like help it become a hybrid or I don't know.

1119
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Simon Park says he is part alien. His

1120
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: parents one of his aris was an alien. Oh that's right,

1121
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah. He said that one of

1122
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: them just impregnanted his mom or something like that. Hmm,

1123
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: So does that make him more compatible? Oh? I don't know.

1124
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wonder what this long game is.

1125
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: If the point is to breed, what's the long game?

1126
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: This has always been my question is why, And it's

1127
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: the question of so many conspiracies. I'm just like, what's

1128
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: exactly that? What is the end game? You know? Could

1129
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: the aliens? Maybe the aliens are so ancient that they

1130
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: forgot how to reproduce her. They can't themselves, you know,

1131
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: so they're using us to create more of them, even

1132
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: though they're like half of they're like half humans, better

1133
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: than nothing, you know. I don't know. I'm what I'm

1134
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: saying is maybe it's not about taking over our planet.

1135
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: It's just like we're the resource that they need, so

1136
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: come here, harvest and then go home. Because I will

1137
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: say this, if the aliens are taking over our planet,

1138
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: if they're infiltrating our governments, if they're trying to control

1139
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: things here for whatever benefit they might be getting out

1140
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: of it. They're doing a terrible job. I have notes.

1141
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to discuss them with y'all. Have

1142
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: any note it is not going well? Yeah, I don't know.

1143
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't know unless you're just strictly you know, you're

1144
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: sadists and this is entertainment. Well, I think it's hard

1145
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: to know if it's going well or not unless you

1146
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: know the goal. I don't understand how the goal could

1147
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: just be chaos. Yeah, maybe it's funny. Maybe we're their entertainment,

1148
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They're saying, and they're just watching us. Yeah, yeah,

1149
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: they're just watching the paint. And then sometimes they want

1150
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: to have sex, and sometimes they want to have se

1151
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds very human to me, in which

1152
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: case I'm just like, come on down and hang out

1153
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: with us. All. We're doing the same thing. We love

1154
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: chaos and we like having sex. Like, come on, They're like,

1155
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: we all the same goals here. Yeah, exactly, come on, guys,

1156
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: we can hang out. No, they're like, we know how

1157
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: racist you are. We're not coming down there. It's true.

1158
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: Racism is one of the main things that keeps aliens

1159
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: from your planet. As you can see, we haven't been

1160
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: that amnt sid all kinds of things. Real rainbow coalition

1161
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: up there on that shop. Yeah, why can't we do it?

1162
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you could teach us something. I wouldn't feel qualified

1163
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: to solve the problems of Earth racism if I it

1164
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: would make it that boring TD show. And this one's

1165
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: pretty funny. That's true with you guys, really nailed hit

1166
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: the nail on the head there. He has really hit

1167
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: the floor on the glen there by when you said

1168
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: that we were just watching the chaos because we've tuned

1169
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: in for a couple episodes. It's pretty good. You can

1170
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: do next. It's no scandal, but it's pretty good. Okay, Well,

1171
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: I think Carrie Washington, your first popular all hell Shonda rhyme,

1172
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: we struck a chord with you guys, our religion around

1173
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Saunder rhymes. Well, it's less of a religion and more

1174
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: of just an intense fandom. Well, I guess I would.

1175
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: I would ask Ozark and clip glor you know, all

1176
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: have any sort of insight to help us wrap up

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: this story? Uh, any sort of input as to what's

1178
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: going on here with David with these these other aliens.

1179
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: I know y'all aren't friends with them necessarily, but do

1180
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: you do you have any idea about what's really going on?

1181
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: H yes to say they're just real past Yes, it's true, man,

1182
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: this is always just trying to get laid. They go

1183
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: from planet to planet. They love watching. They like to

1184
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: prefer to watch. Honestly, if you if you ever having sex,

1185
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: thank you. Thank someone's watching. They are. It's a giant

1186
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: praying there this alien creature. Don't tell me, oh my god. Okay, yeah,

1187
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: thanks for that cheerful note. And I'm very scarily you're

1188
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: never going to have sex with the lights off again. Okay, well, um,

1189
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: that is very interesting insight from Glip Glip Glorbey. Thank

1190
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: you guys for for beaming us up today the episode

1191
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: wishing us here with your magic glowing orb. Of course,

1192
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: any time we would love to have you again. Al Right,

1193
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Can we get home though? Yes? Can we get home?

1194
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: Does there a wish in there for that? Yeah, we'll

1195
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: figure it out after the out show music. Right, Okay,

1196
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: great news, guys, that's perfect. Well, thank you so much

1197
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: for tuning in today. Um, we hope you enjoyed this episode.

1198
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: From space. Yeah, let us know what you thought of

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Speaker 1: David's story. You know, are you into this? Are you

1200
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: blying it? Are you an alien believer? Have you had

1201
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: sex with something like Crescent or Romantis or Gray or

1202
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: a cat lady or anything? I want to know. Here's

1203
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: a couple of things I want to know that I

1204
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,879
Speaker 1: would love for our audience to send us some information.

1205
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: One absolutely that to any UFO alien experience you've had.

1206
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: I love hearing those stories, so seriously, let me know.

1207
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: I want to hear them and see. You know, y'all

1208
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: have never seen Ozark and clip glorup here. Now, It's true.

1209
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: We keep a little profile, um, and I kind of

1210
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: want to know what y'all think they look like. So

1211
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: if you are an artist of any sort, which means

1212
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: if you just put crayon to paper, I want to

1213
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: see what y'all think of Clip Glorpe and Ozark and

1214
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: their spaceship that they brought us to. So please send

1215
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: us your art and we'll share it on our Instagram.

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: So much. Yes, awesome, So hit us up. You can email,

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01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: let me do the let me do the email information.

1218
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: Of course, you can email the show ridic Romance at

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: gmail dot com high sliding the direct messages on social

1220
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: media platforms Twitter and I'm boom and then of course

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Speaker 1: at oh great, it's Eli's the other one, and then

1222
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: that show and the other one. Thank you, you get

1223
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: what you deserve alright. Drive was very rude, oh sark,

1224
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: All right, well thanks for tuning in today, everybody. We're

1225
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: going to try and figure out how to get home. Yeah,

1226
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: and we will catch you all right, we'll catch you

1227
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Speaker 1: all the next episode. I love you, Bobbie ends, it's

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: time to go. Thanks for loves crash the show. Now

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Speaker 1: we'll put the Galaxy and two our shows I'm making

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Speaker 1: listen to reading. Get us room sweet What