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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, Bill Winkie is breaking down his predictions for

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Speaker 2: the upcoming whitetail Rut, tips for patterning deer in the

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Speaker 2: pre rut and rut periods, and more. All right to

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Speaker 2: doing great stuff for deer dear hunters. So I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: stoked about that. I'm also pretty stoked about our plan

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Speaker 2: for today's episode, because if you were listening to this

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Speaker 2: right about when it comes out, which is the very

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Speaker 2: end of October in twenty twenty three, the whitetail Rut

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Speaker 2: is knocking on your door. It's just about here. You

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Speaker 2: might even already be seeing those early does popping in

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Speaker 2: the heat. There might be some excitement in the woods already,

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Speaker 2: and if not, it is coming soon and we've got

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Speaker 2: a great episode to get you ready for that wherever

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Speaker 2: you are. And our guest today is mister Bill Winky. Now, Bill,

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Speaker 2: I think probably doesn't need much of an introduction. He's

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Speaker 2: been on the podcast in the past. He's been all

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Speaker 2: over your TV, he's been in your magazines, he's been

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Speaker 2: on your podcast feed. He is an absolute pro when

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Speaker 2: it comes to whitetail hunting. And today what I want

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Speaker 2: to talk to him about was a few things. Number One,

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Speaker 2: what should we be thinking about in these last days

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Speaker 2: of October the pre rut, you know, this ramp up

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Speaker 2: to the big event. How can you be targeting a

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Speaker 2: specific buck at this time of year. He actually is

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Speaker 2: starting to shift his favorite week of the year from

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Speaker 2: November into this last week of October. So there's some

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Speaker 2: great things we discuss on that front, and then we

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Speaker 2: dive through all things November, all things white tail Rut.

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Speaker 2: Some of you longtime listeners might recall we did an

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Speaker 2: episode with Bill about two years ago about his evolving

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Speaker 2: approach to the rut and So what I did for

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Speaker 2: this episode is I went back and listened to that

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Speaker 2: one and made sure that I remember what we talked

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Speaker 2: about last time, and then this time tried to ask

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Speaker 2: him everything that I didn't cover with him on that

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Speaker 2: time around. So what I recommend you do is maybe

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Speaker 2: go back and listen to that last one right after

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Speaker 2: you listen to this. Then you'll get a very full

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Speaker 2: picture of Bill's full approach to the Whitetail Rut, a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of different ideas, and I think that'll give

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Speaker 2: you a pretty comprehensive set of strategies, tactics and tips

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Speaker 2: to consider here in the coming weeks. But before all

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Speaker 2: of that, before we get Bill on the line, I

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Speaker 2: do have my right man, man, right hand man. What

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, Tony with me. Yeah, something for

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Speaker 2: for quick introductory chat here, we got to catch up

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Speaker 2: you and I could both maybe give a couple last

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Speaker 2: minute rut ideas or or a little bit like a

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Speaker 2: pep talk to folks before November kicks off from our

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Speaker 2: perspective too, So you down.

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Speaker 3: For that I'm down for that, buddy, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we got to hear real quick. You just came

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Speaker 2: back from a trip in Oklahoma hunting with mister Ranella.

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Speaker 2: You want to give me the cliff notes on that

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Speaker 3: I was down in some public land in Oklahoma with Steve,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think another thing that stands out and we

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Speaker 2: But what you did, I think is so important when

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Speaker 2: So he didn't jump right in a tree and like

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Speaker 2: There you go, scout learn, hunt educated versus uh, hunt

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Speaker 2: smarter not harder. Sometimes is the is the ticket, that's

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Speaker 3: I felt like I had to do both.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, idally, ideally both, but we got to get

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Speaker 2: the smarter part right first. Absolutely, that's good man. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you guys had a good hunt. Glad you were

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Speaker 3: I don't know where they're going to drop it, but

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Speaker 2: Very cool. Uh, well, I have not had that much excitement.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked last time about how I spotted

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Speaker 2: And another time I went to hunt him in the

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Speaker 2: But I've yet to find any kind of consistent pattern

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Speaker 3: Man, when you have one that's you know, pretty low,

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Speaker 3: general area that late October time, Well, that's a that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what I'm trying to What I've been

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Speaker 3: I would tell them. I mean, so, I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: And I think we look at it like, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, so, is that two day you mentioned two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not so one of the ways that

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, I think you just didn't have the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's so true in the rut especially. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's this is not gonna make or break your life

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Speaker 2: matters so much.

433
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll just I'll add some quick there. One

434
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: of the things I've been thinking about a lot is,

435
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: you know, it kind of was driven home for me

436
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: on this Oklahoma hunt, Like how nice it is when

437
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: deer come in and they're like scuffling around for one

438
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: percentment under a tree and they offer you twenty seven

439
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: shots in a row, or they're they're just milling around.

440
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: Like where I'm going with this is a lot of

441
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: people who are going out to hunt the rut who

442
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 3: are going to listen to this probably haven't hit that

443
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 3: stage where they're like a real closer yet, you know,

444
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: like they might be able to get around here, but

445
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people struggle with like that the last

446
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: important part of being a killer, and the rut makes

447
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: that situation kind of it kind of injects a little

448
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 3: adrenalineto the whole situation in a way that those earlier

449
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: season sits you have relaxed deer and the vibe is

450
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 3: just like slow moving, like you're going to get your

451
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: chain during the rut. A lot of times those deer,

452
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: even if they aren't moving super fast, they kind of

453
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: have that like nervous energy vibe where they're sniffing here

454
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 3: and they're walking here, and they're they just project something

455
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: to us where we panic like it's gonna be over

456
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: and you know, of course, sometimes they cruise through fast

457
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 3: or they chase through, so it does happen fast too,

458
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: But most of the time, your encounters are going to

459
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: give you a little bit more to work with, and

460
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 3: your brain's probably gonna tell you right away, but you

461
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 3: have to be ready, like you said, like if you're

462
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: if you're sitting there on Instagram and your bow's hanging

463
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: there and you're really not paying attention and that deer

464
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 3: comes in, you've missed You've missed a window already that

465
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: could cost you. And I know it's hard, but man,

466
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: it's like you really have to pay attention to those

467
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: situations and understand if that buck is really going to

468
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 3: get in and get out quick, or you're going to

469
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: read it and go, man, he's he's probably gonna just

470
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 3: give me enough to work with here where I don't

471
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: need to rush this that's a hard thing to get through.

472
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, though, that extra twenty seconds catching him sixty yards

473
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: away when he's behind trees and you can like okay,

474
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: here it is, stand up, get positioned like that little

475
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: bit of extra time makes a world of difference in

476
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: keeping your head right in those final moments versus seeing

477
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: him at thirty when he's in range and coming you're like,

478
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: holy crap, and you're just racing. I mean that's chaos.

479
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeahs uh huh, yes it is. Well, yeah, man, I'm

480
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: excited about your North Dakota hunt. I'm excited uh to

481
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: hear how that goes, and to share how my Nebraska

482
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: hunt will go. That'll be where I'm headed after dear

483
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: Camp and after Michigan for a few days. So let's

484
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: get back on here in a couple of weeks and

485
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 2: share some success stories. How about that.

486
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm jealous, budd. If you need your money to carry

487
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: your boat down there or anything, let.

488
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: Me know, Well, North Cote's not that far away, so

489
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: you could just slip on south for a few days.

490
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: Hunh that's true. True? All right, man, Well, best of

491
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: luck out there, and real quick tease for folks, what

492
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: should they be looking for? If you can remember off

493
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: the top of your head, is there anything on this

494
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: week's Foundations or upcoming Foundations episode that people should keep

495
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: an eye out for.

496
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 3: You know what, I think I'm well, by the time

497
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: this comes out, I think I'm going to write one

498
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: about shot opportunities during the run, because I think that's

499
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: a topic that needs to get really kind of fleshed

500
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: out nice.

501
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: All right, Well, make sure if anyone listening has not

502
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: been tuning in to Tony's Foundation episodes every Tuesday on

503
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: this feed, make sure you're checking that out. And with

504
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: all that said, let's wrap this intro up and let's

505
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: get Bill Winky on the phone. All right here with

506
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: me back on the show. We've got the one and

507
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: only Bill Winky. Bill, thanks for coming on the show.

508
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's my pleasure. Yeah, thanks for having me Mark.

509
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: I always enjoy our chats. Bill. And I was just

510
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: thinking the other day as I was, you know, preparing

511
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: for this. I don't know if I've ever told you

512
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: this story, but you have a really important role in

513
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: my hunting life. Unbeknownst to you, when I graduated college,

514
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: I took a job with a tech company and they

515
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: shipped me out to their headquarters in Silicon Valley out

516
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: in California, and I'm out there in California in September,

517
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: in October, and I'm miserable. I'm stuck, you know, in

518
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: the big city working at this company. No one around

519
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: me hunts, nobody knows anything about hunting or deer. I

520
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: can't get out and do the things I love. And

521
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: so this time I realized, like this is this was

522
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: just the time that I decided to start Wired to

523
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: Hunt and to start this thing so that I could,

524
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, scratch that whitetail h while I'm far, far

525
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: far away from it. And so my life involved, you know,

526
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: being at the office for eight hours, working all day,

527
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: and then I'd come home and I would do two things.

528
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: I would work on Wired Hunt and I would watch

529
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: every single episode of Midwest White Tail back in two

530
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: thousand and nine to the fall of two thousand and

531
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: nine bills. So this was the early days, and this

532
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: was like just when all your state by state stuff

533
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: was getting out there, and you got me through a

534
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: miserable fall because I could follow along with like all

535
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: these little videos you're posting along the way, and I

536
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: was able to feel like I was kind of a

537
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: part of the season. So so I just thought i'd

538
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: bring that up and thank you for getting me through

539
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: that tough time, and then also to make me realize

540
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: how fast all that time is gone. I mean that

541
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: was fourteen years ago now or fifteen years something like that.

542
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's to me, it seems like it

543
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: was fifty years ago. That was. You know, someday we'll

544
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: talk about how hard that was. And I know you've

545
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 4: been around a lot of media and with the mediator

546
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 4: stuff that you do too. I mean there's there's a

547
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 4: mass of machine behind the public facing media that people

548
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 4: see and they don't realize how much work it is.

549
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: And I mean I have an interesting story to tell

550
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: sometime that your jaw would drop when I tell it

551
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: to you about how I was. I quit in two

552
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: thousand and nine. I mean I was like I was

553
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: sitting in church. I decided during church, I'm quitting. This

554
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: is just because I was working like ninety hours a week.

555
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: You know, I was doing the writing, the photography, all

556
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: the standard stuff to pay the bills, and then doing

557
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: this because it wasn't making any money. You know, you

558
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 4: had to do like four jobs, you know. Well, I

559
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: was sitting there and I said, I'm done. I mean,

560
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 4: I can't do this anymore. I'm selling the farm, you know,

561
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm in a bag groceries at Walmart. I don't care.

562
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: I'm just not living like this anymore, sitting there all dejected.

563
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: After the church ended, and there was a fella in

564
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: the church. If there was anybody that, you know, God

565
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: would appoint as an angel, it'd be this guy.

566
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: You know.

567
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: He's kind of a simple fellow, you know, not you know,

568
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: and his name was Bob. And Bob kind of up

569
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: to me and he said, he said, if you fold

570
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: it up now, you're not going to be any good

571
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: to anybody. And he walked off, and I'm like, I

572
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 4: guess I can't fold it up because I had decided

573
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 4: that was done. I mean, as soon as I got

574
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: away from church, I'm like, this is over. I'm not

575
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: doing any more of this. So that was the legacy

576
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 4: of Midwest white tail. I mean it was I did

577
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: it because I had to. Almost It was brutal, but

578
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: I mean not to complain. I mean a lot of

579
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: people go through rough, you know, rough startups, but nine

580
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: was that was such a hard year. Wow, I mean

581
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: latly exhausted every single day, you know, and trying to

582
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: scratch around to find sponsors. Nobody understood what we were doing,

583
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: you know, and then you know, eventually it took off.

584
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: Obviously I did it did well, but gosh, it was tough. Yeah.

585
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Those Uh, it's so funny people look at something like

586
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: that and they think, oh, overnight success, like a yeah,

587
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: Bill just started this web show and then it blew

588
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: up and everyone loves it, and few people ever see

589
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: what happens behind closed doors, and just how how hard

590
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: so many of these things are when you're trying to

591
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: start something from scratch.

592
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because there's so if you skip some of

593
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: the details, the whole thing implodes. Yeah, you know, and

594
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: speak that like fifty things at once, and it's yeah, anyway,

595
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm not, like I said, I'm not going to complain.

596
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: We got through it. But I think if I had

597
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: to do it again, I wouldn't do it because I

598
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: think that's the beauty of ignorance, is bliss because if

599
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: you see how high the mountain is, you don't start climbing. Yeah,

600
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: but you think it's not a mountain, It see a hill,

601
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: start climbing, and then there's like you know, twelve hills

602
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: later you realize there's.

603
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: A lot of false summits along that route. That's for sure.

604
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: Not too off topic. I thought you get a kick

605
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: out of that.

606
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: I did. I'm glad that you were able to push

607
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: through it and that your friend there at church gave

608
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: you that little bump because a lot of folks have

609
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: benefited because of it.

610
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a cool machine now. I mean, I'm not

611
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: part of it anymore, but what the guys are doing

612
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: with it now is still you know, speaks you know,

613
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: really well to the white tail community.

614
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, no, you're they're carrying on your legacy well.

615
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: And you sure started a great thing, and it's exciting

616
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: that you've got something new again. I'm glad that you are,

617
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, back out there sharing your stories because so

618
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 2: many of us have enjoyed following along and learning along

619
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: the way. And I guess that that is kind of

620
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: where I did want to take us Bill today, as

621
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: we talked about, you know, before we start recording, when

622
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: this podcast drops, it'll be like October twenty fourth or fifth,

623
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: right around that ballpark, so folks will be just about

624
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: to launch into you know what most of us consider

625
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: that best time of the year, right late October all

626
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: the way through November. It's it's what we waited, you know,

627
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: the previous ten eleven months for. So I want to

628
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: walk through, you know, as much of the detailed inner

629
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: sanctum of your mind, bits and pieces of your pre

630
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: rut and rut strategy that we can, and I want

631
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: to try to do it in a way that's different

632
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: than some of the previous conversations we've had, because we

633
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: did have a good rut conversation a couple of years ago,

634
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 2: and so I thought we could start with what you

635
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: are actually doing right now leading into that time period,

636
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: which is, I know you're targeting, you've got a specific

637
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: buck and I think in one of your videos you

638
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: mentioned maybe you've got two deer that year after this year, right,

639
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 2: is that correct?

640
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: There's two that I would like to shoot, and there's

641
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: one I'd like for my daughter to get a chance at.

642
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: So there's really three on the farm that we've picked out.

643
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So one of the videos he posted a few

644
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: weeks ago, maybe was a month or so ago, you

645
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: did a really great job of breaking down like how

646
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: you develop a pattern for a deer, and you talked

647
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: about the buck you killed last year, and you went

648
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: kind of site by sight and talked through different camera

649
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: locations and how you use photos and observations to kind

650
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: of zero in on where he lived. Yep. I'm kind

651
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: of in a situation right now where I'm trying to

652
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: do something like that with my target deer here in Michigan.

653
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: So I'm going to selfishly ask you a lot of

654
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: questions just to help my own personal mission here. Yeah,

655
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: but could you start by telling us how you're doing

656
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: that this year for those two bucks a year after.

657
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: What's that process looked like so far for you?

658
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: So that's the that's the fascination of whitetails, I think,

659
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: because you know, every buck is different, and where the

660
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: deer I killed last year was unique was he had

661
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 4: a really small range and he was a little bit

662
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: daylight active within that range, so he was kind of

663
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 4: easy to nail down because he wasn't hitting a lot

664
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: of cameras outside of a small area. So that meant that,

665
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: you know, I had him pretty well peg. So there

666
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: was no big urgency as far as trying to scatter

667
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: stands all over the place and have this complicated strategy.

668
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: It was more about picking two or three spots that

669
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: really worked out well for me, and then just putting

670
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: my time in and because that's the way to hunt

671
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: if they've got a small range, you just pick a

672
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: couple of really good, complimentary spots that work for you,

673
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: and you don't get too crazy because he's there, you know,

674
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: the you don't have to run all over the countryside

675
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: trying to find him. Well, that's the the two time

676
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: after this year are the opposite. They're all over the

677
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: farm and you know, I figured it's going to be

678
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: a challenge. They're old deer, so they move a lot

679
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: during daylight, which is which is a unique characteristic of

680
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: older deer, and that's something we can get off topic

681
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: on someday, but they are moving a fair amount in daylight.

682
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: They're just all over the place. You know, like one

683
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: night they'll be on this end of the farm, and

684
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: then the other night, you know, the next night they

685
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: might be a mile away on the other end on

686
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: my cameras, So just being able to figure out, you know,

687
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: where can I put stands somewhere in that massive range

688
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: that makes any sense, that's the challenge with these two.

689
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: And then of course I was telling you and before

690
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: we started last night. I had him. I had him

691
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: speed it up, you know. After all of that, you know,

692
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: and some of it. When you own the land, you

693
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: can set the farm up a little bit for those

694
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: deer because you can anticipate from one year to the next,

695
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 4: you know which bucks are probably going to be there,

696
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: roughly where their ranges are going to be. Maybe you

697
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: make a little Heidi Whole food plot somewhere in that

698
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: area and you say, Okay, I'm gonna that's where I'm

699
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 4: gonna get him. Well, I had that in mind when

700
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: I set up this location, and I was hunting there

701
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: last night, and as I told you, I mean, I

702
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: was doing something out the window with the GoPro, doing

703
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: a little pan you know, and pulled the pulled my

704
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: arm back in and closed the window. Well it clicked,

705
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: and he was fifty yards away making a scrape, and

706
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: I saw it just as I clicked the window shut.

707
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: And of course he snapped his head up and looked,

708
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: and you know, I thought, well, maybe I'll get lucky

709
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: and he won't figure this out, you know, and I

710
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 4: can grab my bow, you know. So I might have

711
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: been moving inside the window and he saw me or

712
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: whatever body he bounded off. He didn't blow it, he

713
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: didn't bust out, but he was fifty yards away making

714
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: he was coming. He would have been you know, anyway, heartbreak,

715
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: you know, all of that, all of that thought and effort,

716
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 4: and then it came down to, you know, twenty seconds

717
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: of bad timing, you know, because if I'd had my

718
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: arm in twenty seconds earlier, you know, we'd probably be

719
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: talking about the deer I killed last night. But anyway,

720
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: so the getting back to that, every buck is different

721
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: and how you hunt them really depends a lot on

722
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: how much you've learned about those deer, and sometimes it

723
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 4: takes a couple of years to figure them out. And

724
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: that's I mean, that's the fascination, but a little bit

725
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 4: of the frustration too. So these two I'm having to

726
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: have spread a really wide net and try to be

727
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: more i would say generic in the way that I'm

728
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: hunting them, Like I don't have them pinned down, So

729
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm hunting within this large range, just spots that make

730
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: sense when a buck is moving during the But this

731
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: is where he's probably going to go, Like he's probably

732
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: going to check this betting year and he's probably going

733
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: to go through this funnel. You know, I just have

734
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: to get lucky that you know, within that massive you know,

735
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: half a mile plus you know, long range that I

736
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: just happened to be in the right place at the

737
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: right time. And I do think they'll move a lot.

738
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: Like I said, during the rut, they're both old and

739
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: that's they're not huge, but there they'll be fun to hunt.

740
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: So anyway, getting back to that is is, uh, depends

741
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: on how much you know about the deer. That's kind

742
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: of the starting point. And you know, so I'll throw

743
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: it back to you, I guess, and maybe you can

744
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: ask me specific questions. But that's the challenge. Every deer

745
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: is different, you know, and you have to approach him

746
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: very specifically because there's no generic answer.

747
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, so what does your process look like, Bill,

748
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: for trying to build out like that personality profile for

749
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: a buck you mentioned, like you can have previous year's

750
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: history and then is what they're doing this year? How

751
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: do you one of the I can make. I'm assuming

752
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: I know what the things are you're looking at, but

753
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: I'd love for you to talk to me about what

754
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: the specific things are that you are using to develop that.

755
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: We'll call it a profile and then how do you

756
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: keep track of it or analyze that stuff to figure

757
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: out what to do with it?

758
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 4: Well, for sure, any sightings that you had the year

759
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: before are critical. Trail camera pictures from last year and

760
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: this year. I think in Michigan, can you put bait

761
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: in front of a trail camera? No, not anymore because

762
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: it used to be able to write.

763
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got outlawed once for CWD and they got

764
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: brought back for a little bit, and then again it's

765
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: gone okay.

766
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: So that's the easiest way to get a quick pattern

767
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: is just to pour it back a corner front of

768
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: a trail camera and come back in a week do

769
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: what you got. Well, that's what I do, and then

770
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: I stop running cameras. I've got cameras scattered around the

771
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: farm now that are sitting on open gates and trails

772
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But the information I get from

773
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: those is much less useful, or I shouldn't say useful's

774
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: super useful. Just don't get much of it, you know,

775
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: because when you put it on a just even a

776
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: small you know, pilot corn, you're going to concentrate the

777
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: deer in that area, so you know where they live.

778
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 4: So all I really want to know is where they live.

779
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: I don't have to know exactly what they're doing each day.

780
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: I want to know roughly where where their core is

781
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: and how big their range is. Those are the keys

782
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: because inside of that, I don't want to know more

783
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 4: because it takes some of the fun out of the

784
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: hunt for me, you know, I want to know. I

785
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: want to be able to rely on some woodsmanship skills,

786
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: you know, a little you know, experience with deer. I mean,

787
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: it's it's not about you know, whether I kill every

788
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: single one or you know, the most or whatever. It's

789
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: about just enjoying the experience of hunting mature white tails.

790
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: So anyway, that's my strategies. I'm always trying to figure

791
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: out where their core is and how big their range is.

792
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: And once I know those two things, and you throw

793
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: a little bit of information in there, how how daylight

794
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: active they are. That comes from the trail cameras too,

795
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: and then you can you can figure them out. You

796
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: don't really need to know more than that. You almost

797
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 4: don't need to know even if they're daylight active, because

798
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: those those opportunities are going to come now, you know,

799
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: as we get into the tail end of October.

800
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you're trying to figure out that core area,

801
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: how you know, is there a certain way that you

802
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: are setting up your cameras in a certain range or

803
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: in a certain position to establish, you know, a core

804
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: area to make that decision, because I think that if

805
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: you just put a couple of random cameras out, you're

806
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: not really learning a whole lot other than a single

807
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: point or two in that random area that you that

808
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: you don't know. So how do you cast that net

809
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: and then you know, determine what this means for a

810
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: zone on the map.

811
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, once you find one excuse me, that you

812
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 4: want to hunt, then you move more cameras around that area.

813
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 4: You have to be really careful about how in true

814
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: if you are with those camera locations, and you know,

815
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 4: I always try to stay on trails, not not deer trails,

816
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: excuse me, on like field lanes, anything that you can

817
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: drive through with the four wheeler and the beer, don't

818
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 4: care or for a truck. If I have to walk

819
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: to someplace, I'm always wearing waiters at least you know,

820
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: waist high waiters, So I don't leave any cent I

821
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: try to avoid spots that I have to walk to

822
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: because you know, for one, it just takes longer, and

823
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: for two, you know, it's more usually more intrusive. So

824
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: there's lots of lanes and trails and corners and field

825
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: edges and stuff like that where you can stick cameras

826
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: where there's scrapes and you know, funnels that you can

827
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: drive to. I mean, and granted they may get visited

828
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: more at night, but they're going to be right at

829
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: the edge of legal shooting time. That's going to tell

830
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: you the core. The core is where they're most day

831
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: lot active. You get a picture of a buck at

832
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: three in the morning, haven't learned anything really, Maybe you're

833
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: in his range. You know, you're in his range right now,

834
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: but that might change in two weeks. To find his core,

835
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: you've got to get, you know, photos that are closer

836
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: to daylight. And I don't want to be right on

837
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: top of his betting area, but I want to be

838
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: just outside of it, you know where That's where I

839
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: want my cameras or just outside of the betting areas,

840
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: because they're going to get hit, you know, right on

841
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: twilight or you know, first light in the morning as

842
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: he's going back into bed. In some some bucks are

843
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: pretty narrowly, you know, they have a really small range.

844
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: I've hunted some really really cool bucks that had you know,

845
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 4: twenty or thirty acre ranges pre range, not even core areas,

846
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: like that's all the ground they covered during the rock

847
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 4: side cameras all around those spots, and they never he

848
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: never picked up on any of them. So anyway that

849
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: I've had others like gosh, I've hunted a few that

850
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: seemed like they had a square mile you know that

851
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 4: you just couldn't peg him. So I'll throw it back

852
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: to you.

853
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: Well, with those cameras that you're putting up, and that's

854
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: helping you establish these points within that possible range. And

855
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: then you'll, I'm sure you look at these camera pictures

856
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: and then you start seeing where are the most where

857
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: the most pictures, and where are there are a few pictures,

858
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: and where there are no pictures, And I imagine that

859
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: helps you start drawing a circle, maybe on a map

860
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: or something. But I've also heard you, sorry, go ahead.

861
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 4: The other thing you pay attention to is what direction

862
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: he's he's approaching from, exactly asked. I'll tell you quite

863
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: a bit too.

864
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: Can you elaborate on that a little bit? How you're

865
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: thinking about.

866
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: That, well, it's best if it's closer to legal shooting time.

867
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: But he's gonna approach from in the evening there you

868
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: where ebedded, probably and in the first picture you get

869
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: of them, whatever direction his back end is pointing is

870
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 4: probably pointing toward his betting area. Sometimes they loop around,

871
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: you know, and you get some weird stuff. But you

872
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 4: have to take each situation kind of separately. If there's

873
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: a lot of ways he could get to the camera,

874
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: you know, on without wasting a bunch of time, then

875
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: it's not as valuable. But if you're like, okay, this,

876
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: if he's betting here, he's going to come to the

877
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: camera from this direction, and if he's not, then he's

878
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: probably not betting there, you know. So some of that's

879
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 4: just you know, the woodsmanship again of just kind of

880
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: anticipating how deer move. But you can a lot of

881
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: times you can figure out where they bed. You can

882
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: get within i don't know, maybe ten fifteen acres you know,

883
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: of where they're betting. You know. Unfortunately that changes and

884
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: with some bucks they've got a lot of different areas

885
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: where they bed. But that's uh again, that's the fascination

886
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: of hunting them because they're all different.

887
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: I've got a buck this year that is one of

888
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: these small home range bucks. As far as I can tell,

889
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I've drawn a circle and I think his

890
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: like place where I'm seeing him or getting pictures of him,

891
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: it's it's maybe like thirty acres something like that, and

892
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: he's not showing up on the outlier cameras that I've

893
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: got pretty far away from that. I actually can glass

894
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: from a couple different places, like near the road and

895
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: see into edges of that, and so I've seen him

896
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: a number of times, so I've got a strong understanding

897
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: of where he spends a lot of time. This is

898
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: the fourth year that I've been watching this year, so

899
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: I've you know, I know he's in this area lot.

900
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: What's interesting about him, though, is while I know where

901
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: that core is and I could tell you, I can

902
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: draw like a ten acre circle and say, man, I

903
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: think he's betted in that ten acres, and a lot

904
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 2: of the time I've yet to be able to get

905
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: him to a consistent pattern of what he does leaving

906
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: that betting year. Because he's got food, he can go

907
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: to the west. He's got food, he can go to

908
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: the southeast, he's got fooding goes straight south, so he

909
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: seems to randomly choose which direction he heads out of

910
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: there from. I can't correlate any kind of movement with

911
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: a wind direction. It's not like, well, with a west wind,

912
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: he's going to go this way or anything like that.

913
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: I can't figure out any rhyme or reason to how

914
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna leave that bed.

915
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, depend it because a lot of people think that

916
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: they only travel with the wind in their face, but

917
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: that's not true. Yeah, and you start finding that out,

918
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: especially on the trail cameras. But even when you're setting

919
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: up ambush sites, I don't set up ambush sites where

920
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 4: the deer has any kind of advantage because at some point,

921
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: you know, whether that's the rut or whatever it is,

922
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: you know he's gonna he's gonna travel with the crosswindo

923
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: or the wind at his back. But anyway, the only

924
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: thing you can do there, I think is is, uh,

925
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: just hunt whatever works best for you and put your

926
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: time in. I had a buck like that that I hunted,

927
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: and it took me two years to kill him, but

928
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: I never spooked him. You know, he lived in a

929
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: really small area like that, and I never went into it.

930
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: I only hunted the fringes of it. And people were

931
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: watching the videos and you know, saying, well, why don't

932
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: you just go in and go get him. I'm like, yeah,

933
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: I mean, if you get him then then it's awesome.

934
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 4: But if you don't, you run a really high risk

935
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: of educating him. And I've got a mature buck on

936
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: a very narrow core area. Why do I want to

937
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: take any risk? So I know, you've got a ticking

938
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 4: clock with you know, November fifteenth gun opener, But you've

939
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: got plenty of time if you've got the days to

940
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: hunt where you can just be patient and just set

941
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: up in those spots that work for you, and eventually

942
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 4: he's gonna come out of there, and he's he's gonna

943
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: come your way.

944
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 2: You mentioned in the in a situation like that, whether

945
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: you've got a buck that's in a small zone that

946
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: you would just pick a couple perfect spots and hunt

947
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: those kind of over and over. Yeah, So how I've

948
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 2: thought about doing that, But then I worry about that,

949
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: you know, the over application of pressure hunting the same spot,

950
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, multiple days in the row or significant number

951
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: over the course of the next couple of weeks, like

952
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: how many like how much volume of hunts would you

953
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: try in that kind of situation?

954
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: And the spot will tell you, you know, if I

955
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: was standing there with you and I could see your

956
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 4: entring eggsit route and how well the wind works for

957
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: you and where the wind blows, you know, what is

958
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 4: the likelihood what is the percentage likelihood that some deer

959
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: is going to know you were there? That's going to

960
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: dictate how often you can hunt it because there are

961
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: key days. Maybe there's five or six days between now

962
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: and November fifteenth when you need to be there for sure.

963
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: You know, do you want to be there all twenty

964
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: days or whatever? You know, yeah, you want to, but

965
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: maybe it doesn't work. You know, I've got stands. I've

966
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: hunted locations you could hunt every day, you know, as

967
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: long as the wind was out of the west, the

968
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: southwest or the northwest, you were never going to get busted,

969
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: you know. But I've also hunted spots that, you know,

970
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: because of the entring eggsit route, usually you're not going

971
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: to be able to get away with it very often.

972
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: And you know, it's not just the target deer that

973
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: you've got to you know that eat because if you

974
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: start educating dose. Then the body language of those deer

975
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: starts transferring through to their whole herd, you know, and

976
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: he gets the picture. You know that they're they're sharp.

977
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: They know if if the deer acts spooky in a

978
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 4: certain area, there's a reason, you know, So they watch

979
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: those doughs. And if the dos are getting antsy because

980
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: they've had bad experiences in a certain spot, he's he's

981
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: going to wait it out. So you can't just say, well,

982
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 4: I didn't spook him, so it's all good. No, you

983
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: can't spook anything. And that's the hard But that's why

984
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: I was only few, right, That's why even if you've

985
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: got thirty acres, you might only have two spots, yeah,

986
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: you know where you can consistently do it without the

987
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: deer knowing.

988
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been I've been trying to play this don't

989
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: mess it up game, like I'm being conservatives. So far,

990
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: I've I've hunted a little bit more for him than

991
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: I usually do at this time of year. But it's

992
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: because we've had this great weather and he keeps moving

993
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: in daylight.

994
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean.

995
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: He seems to be telling me that he's, you know,

996
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: still there and doing his thing, and I'm seeing him,

997
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, on the days I can't hunt, I can

998
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: glass for the last ten minutes. A day later or something,

999
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm seeing him moving, or I've gotten a few daylight

1000
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: camera pictures. So it's it's telling me to go for him.

1001
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: At the same time, I don't want to mess it up.

1002
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 2: So I've been on those edges and it's it's tough though,

1003
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: because you feel like, is this a waste of time?

1004
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not quite in it, but I'm on

1005
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: the edges of it. And one of the things I've

1006
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: started thinking about is this randomness of his behavior and

1007
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: the randomness of how I usually hunt. I'm sometimes Bill

1008
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: someone who has fallen prey to the idea of like,

1009
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: I want to bounce around a lot because I want

1010
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: to keep the deer off, you know, I don't want

1011
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: them to pattern me, so I frequently will I'll sit

1012
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: here and if there's nothing going then I'm going to

1013
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: move and adjust and try another spot, try another spot.

1014
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: I have that like tendency. I guess I've started wondering

1015
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: if you take my random not random, but if I

1016
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: bounce around and he's bouncing around, it becomes very likely

1017
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 2: that we'll bounce around each other and never actually connect.

1018
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: So I've started done.

1019
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: You can second guess yourself forever. Your randomness could coincide

1020
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: with his randomness too. So the only thing that matters

1021
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: is you cannot The deer can't know you're hunting him.

1022
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: That's it, you know. So whatever you have to do

1023
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: within that bigger, that bigger issue, whatever that is, you

1024
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: know that then and if you're in his you know,

1025
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: small range, you're eventually gonna get it. He just can't know.

1026
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: And and ideally none of the deer know like that.

1027
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: One dear I hunted. I think I hunted one hundred

1028
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 4: a buck one time, I think for three or four years,

1029
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 4: and he never once knew that I was hunting him.

1030
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: And he would he would show up in Dale. He

1031
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 4: was a giant deer, and he'd show up in Dale

1032
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: I just about every day on the cameras. You know,

1033
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: it was like so tempting to say, well, why did

1034
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: I just press you know, well, eventually killed him. But

1035
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: and maybe I could have killed him quicker if I depressed,

1036
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 4: But there was also that risk that he would have

1037
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: known that I was hunting him. So I think that's

1038
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: the overriding principle involved in this in your situation. I mean,

1039
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: if it's a deer covering a big range, it's like, like,

1040
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: my dear, It's like, you know, how do I know?

1041
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: You know, how do I know if I'm impacting them?

1042
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: Because it could be here, you know, I'm sneaking right

1043
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 4: past where he's betted and he's never bett it there before.

1044
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: You know, so anyway, in your situation, time is on

1045
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 4: your side. You know, it's not on his side. You know,

1046
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: if something changes and he starts, you know, ranging out

1047
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 4: and and he will but you know, maybe you have

1048
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: to press a little bit more then and maybe we

1049
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 4: can talk about that. But no, I think you're doing

1050
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: the right thing. You just have to be you have

1051
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: to know that you're sort of in the game. You're

1052
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: not in the middle of the game, because you know,

1053
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: you educate a lot of deer when you're in the

1054
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: middle of the game. And if you don't get it

1055
00:51:51,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: done right away.

1056
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: Does it ever make sense to stick it out in

1057
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: one location. I've started thinking that maybe I need to

1058
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: pick the spot that has like the best wind and

1059
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: access and exit, and then you do two or three

1060
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: days there in a row, just knowing that eventually he'll

1061
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: cycle through versus me trying here, trying here, trying here.

1062
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

1063
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean I think it's still that that

1064
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 4: whole thing. You just got to pick those few spots

1065
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: where you can hunt him without the deer knowing, and

1066
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 4: that's where you put your time in. If it's really

1067
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: marked all the way around, then you've got to pick

1068
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 4: and choose your hunts a little bit more. You can't

1069
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: be maybe saturating as much as you'd like. It's not

1070
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 4: every farm, not every excuse me, not every situation sets

1071
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: up for you know, a lot of hunting pressure though.

1072
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: Not only do you have to play the deer, but

1073
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 4: you also have to play the area where you're hunting him.

1074
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: You know, the chessboard. But no, I think you just

1075
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 4: you figure out, you know, where are the places where

1076
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: I can hunt this year without him knowing, and then

1077
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: whenever the wind is right, you hunt one of those.

1078
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, excuse me. Can you walk me through how you

1079
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: went through this process with that deer you were hunting

1080
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: last year which was kind of similar to you know

1081
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: this year I'm talking about, and then I had that

1082
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: smaller home range. I know you ended up killing him

1083
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: on Halloween. I think I think folks would be interested

1084
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: to hear a little more detail about how you pulled

1085
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: that out during that period too.

1086
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 4: He was, Yeah, because I had I think I had

1087
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: four or five cameras out and he was only showing

1088
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: up on a couple of them, and it was kind

1089
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: of easy to predict where he was betting because of

1090
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: the direction he would come to those cameras in the evenings.

1091
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: And there was a bottom field, you know, that was

1092
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 4: below one of his betting areas, so it was the

1093
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: primary food in that area, you know, and that's where

1094
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: the doughs were going to be going. I mean, it

1095
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: was kind of a no brainer, you know. Granted, you know,

1096
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 4: I wasn't hunting on his bedding area, and I wasn't

1097
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 4: going to, but I was hunting where he would be

1098
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: most likely to go when he left it, and I

1099
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 4: didn't hunt it a lot, I mean, obviously, you know,

1100
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 4: I think it was the second time in was when

1101
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: we killed him. We hunted on the October eighteenth, and

1102
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: then we hunted on Halloween, and I got him on Halloween.

1103
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 4: But he was out there with seventy degree day. He

1104
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: was out there two and a half hours before the

1105
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 4: end of legal shooting time on a seventy degree day.

1106
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: He was comfortable. So that's that's the key is he

1107
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: felt like it was his world, you know, and there

1108
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: was nobody else living in it, you know, and you

1109
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: want to do that as much as you can. But

1110
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: I would have put more pressure on him as time

1111
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: went by, you know, I just didn't didn't have the

1112
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: chance to hunt. I had other projects going on and stuff.

1113
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: I was trying to help my daughter, you know, shoot

1114
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: her first year with the bow and stuff like that,

1115
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: So you know, I probably would have put a little

1116
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 4: bit more pressure on him, but that it's more time

1117
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 4: frame specific. But your bucks are moving in the daylight,

1118
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: so you don't you don't quit, you know, you just

1119
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: keep hunting him every time it makes sense, every time

1120
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: you've got a wind that makes sense for a location

1121
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: you think you can get in and out of, and

1122
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: eventually your paths cross. You know. It's just I tell people,

1123
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: it's like you know, you're dropping, you know, drops of

1124
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 4: water on sandstone. You know, if you're trying to make

1125
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 4: a hole in it. You could take the pressure washer

1126
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: and blast away and hope to make a hole, but

1127
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: you might destroy the sandstone. You know while you're at it.

1128
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 4: My my strategy is just be that drop drop, drop,

1129
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 4: drop drop, and eventually you got a hole through it

1130
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: and the sandstone is still there, you know. And a

1131
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: lot of people they get impatient or they're forced, you know,

1132
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: by a lack of time. You know. We have to

1133
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: realize too that some people don't have the luxury have

1134
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 4: been able to hunt, you know, often then they have

1135
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 4: to use the pressure washer and hope for the best,

1136
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: you know, and hope they don't you know, blow the

1137
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 4: sandstone piece to to you know, bits, but you don't

1138
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: have that that ticking clock yet. They just you're you're

1139
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: the drop of water, drop drop, drop drop, and eventually

1140
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: you get him.

1141
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: I like that analogy. I heard you talk at one

1142
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: point about the three green I think you call him

1143
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: green flags or green lights to know when you want

1144
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: to go in and kill a deer like this. So

1145
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: so in my case, like he has been showing up

1146
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: in daylight and that's a pretty clear green light to

1147
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: go after him. But could you walk through what those

1148
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: green lights are? Was it flags or lights? I'm not

1149
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: sure what it was. Tell me whatever it was green, Okay,

1150
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: what were those things for you that typically are the

1151
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: most important before you're going to you know, take those

1152
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: drop drop drop strikes.

1153
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously, like we talked about, if he's on a

1154
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: daylight pattern, Now, if you know that at least some

1155
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: percentage of the time he's coming out in daylight, you

1156
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: gotta hunt him, you know, carefully, but you gotta hunt

1157
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 4: him because that's what it's all about. I mean, with

1158
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 4: a bow, you're hunting natural movement. So the deer have

1159
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: to be coming out in daylight, well they are, you

1160
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: got to hunt. So that's that's you know green light

1161
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 4: number one. Number two is anytime you've got a coal front,

1162
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately we've had a you know, pretty cold October,

1163
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 4: you know by you know, normal standards, but if you've

1164
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 4: got a front coming through, that's usually going to be

1165
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: one of those times when he breaks his nocturnal pattern

1166
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: and comes out maybe an hour sooner or half an

1167
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: hour or fifteen minutes sooner or whatever. So the coal

1168
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: front is critical, and usually it's the day it goes

1169
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: through and then the day after, so you've got that

1170
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 4: high pressure you know, on the second day of the

1171
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 4: cold front that can be really good. And then the

1172
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: third one is just as you get closer to the rut,

1173
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 4: and you know, I call it, you know October, late October,

1174
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: you just start hunting him even if they're not going

1175
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: daylight because any day that they're going to break that,

1176
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: you know they're going to start, you know, moving more

1177
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 4: in day. And the biologists say they're moving during the

1178
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 4: day anyway, they just aren't doing it in the places

1179
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 4: where they're vulnerable. Yeah, they're back in where they bet.

1180
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes, what are your thoughts on the situation we've had

1181
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: here where it's it's been cooler than normal, so it's

1182
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: been great, but now it's just kind of stagnant. See,

1183
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: at least from what I've seen a lot of places,

1184
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: it's cool, but there's not these big fronts coming. It's

1185
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: just kind of staying kind of cool. Does that lose

1186
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: its you know, impact after a while because that consistency

1187
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: now or how what are you thinking?

1188
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's so rare. I don't have a

1189
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 4: lot of anecdotal you know, experience related to this. What

1190
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: I'm seeing is, you know, I like the middle of

1191
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 4: October for a couple of days anyway, because there's sort

1192
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 4: of like a false rut, you know, there are some

1193
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 4: does that come into Esther's the middle of October. You know,

1194
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: people don't realize that. They just kind of flash in

1195
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 4: and then they you know, kind of flash back out

1196
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: again because you know, there's always those early born fawns,

1197
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: so there's always a few dos getting bred and out October.

1198
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: But anyway, uh, that's going to pass now. You know.

1199
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: I saw that buck last night making a scrape. I

1200
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 4: think he'd have been there because it was cool, beautiful,

1201
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: high pressure, a little bit of a north wind. I

1202
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: just think he just thought that's pretty nice out. I'm

1203
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: going to get up and walk around, you know. So

1204
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if it changes now, if it stays cool,

1205
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, I think every day is going to be

1206
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 4: consistently pretty good, you know, right up right up to

1207
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: the rut, I don't think, you know, I think it's

1208
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 4: going to drop off a little bit past the middle

1209
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: of October because if there was that flurry related to

1210
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 4: the first few dohs, then that's going to drop off quick.

1211
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: So if there was something kicking that movement up you know,

1212
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: this past weekend, in past few days, then that influence

1213
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: is going to drop away. But we're rolling up on

1214
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: the timeframe when you know it's it's coming, you know,

1215
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: full full on, you know, I mean I always figure

1216
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 4: October twenty fifth is the shall start date, you know,

1217
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: of the deer season, you know, and any or that's

1218
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: a bonus. So we're rolling in towards the twenty fifth,

1219
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: So there's no reason now to think that it's going

1220
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 4: to drop off.

1221
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard you in recent years talk about the

1222
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: fact that you've started debating what your favorite week of

1223
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: the rut is. Now you're you're starting to consider maybe

1224
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: you like late October, maybe just as much as early November.

1225
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on that here now? Today?

1226
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: I think it's still you know, I just did a

1227
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: video for our channel. In fact, I think it's live.

1228
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: Just went live a couple of minutes ago. While we

1229
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: were talking. My daughter was working on the thumbnail for

1230
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 4: the video. But that's I really picked, you know, looking

1231
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: at the calendar, you know, the twenty ninth is a Sunday.

1232
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: Twenty ninth is one of my favorite days now, So

1233
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: the twenty eighth is a Saturday. That weekend is awesome. Okay,

1234
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 4: that's going to be an awesome weekend. If the weather

1235
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: quick up breaks, do you go if you're gonna take

1236
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 4: a four day weekend. Do you go Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

1237
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: or do you go Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. I think

1238
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: you go Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. I think there's a

1239
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: really good opportunity coming up because that takes you from

1240
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: the twenty eighth all the way through Halloween, and that

1241
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: should be a killer. And the beauty of that time

1242
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 4: is the bucks are starting to feel their oats. Maybe

1243
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 4: there's a few dos coming in, you know, maybe just

1244
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 4: a few, you know, just to get them thinking, you know,

1245
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 4: but they haven't left their core areas very much yet.

1246
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: They're still in that range where you sort of have

1247
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 4: them pegged. Yeah, you know, once the rot really breaks loose,

1248
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 4: thumb bucks really range out. Others don't. I mean, some

1249
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 4: of them still stay in that thirty acres, but some

1250
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 4: of them will expand their range and you kind of

1251
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: lose them for a while. They come back, but they're

1252
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 4: not there all the time. So now they're there all

1253
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: the time, and then you know, it's a great opportunity

1254
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 4: for us and if we have a deer more or

1255
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: less peg to be just a little bit more aggressive.

1256
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: I haven't felt like I was aggressive yet. But I

1257
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 4: do feel like, you know, during that time frame, let's

1258
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 4: say the twenty eight through the thirty first, you would

1259
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 4: be a little bit more aggressive and then you can

1260
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: back off again, you know, and kind of let things

1261
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 4: you know, coick, you know, rebound.

1262
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: Okay, do I know you've been pretty strong in the

1263
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: past around you know that the fact that the rut

1264
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: is relatively consistent because a photo period changes and all

1265
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: of that, and weather can influence what we see. Yep,

1266
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: has your mind changed at all or been? Go ahead?

1267
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 4: I think the moon can influence how much daylight movement

1268
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 4: there is. It doesn't change the rut dates. Know, all

1269
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: the all the biological data would suggest that the rut

1270
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 4: dates are locked in based on photo period. But nothing

1271
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 4: says that the buck has to move during the day,

1272
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 4: you know, So what is it that causes him to

1273
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: move during the day versus just breeding only at night?

1274
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: Because and I've I've hunted Michigan before, and I've hunted

1275
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: Iowa before. When it was seventy five degrees during the

1276
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 4: first week of November, you didn't hardly see anything. Yeah,

1277
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 4: And they're like, well there was no rut this year,

1278
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 4: Well yeah, there was. I mean those deer they breed,

1279
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: they just do it at night. Yeah, So anyway, that's

1280
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 4: that's my whole everybody's got like a magic recipe for

1281
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 4: the rut. But I think the dates are pretty locked in.

1282
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 4: You know, north of a certain line, you know, and

1283
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 4: the bile just know where that line is. You know.

1284
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 4: South of it, there's all kinds of different rut dates,

1285
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 4: but north of it, it's pretty consistent. You know, the

1286
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 4: peak of breeding is November fifteenth, plus or minus a day,

1287
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 4: and you know, you back up from that. You don't

1288
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 4: really want to hunt the peak of breeding because that's

1289
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 4: when so many dolls are an estrius and the bucks

1290
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 4: are locked up, and you know, see you want to

1291
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 4: be on the on the front end of that. And

1292
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,479
Speaker 4: that's why I like November seventh so well. It puts

1293
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: you about a week ahead of that. There are dose

1294
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 4: in estris, but not a ton of them, so you've

1295
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 4: got a lot of movement, a lot of general movement.

1296
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 4: So anyway, that's that's my thoughts on it. I could

1297
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: be wrong, but I've talked to an awful lot of

1298
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 4: biologists and and the ones who don't have a chip

1299
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: in the game, you know, financially to say well, I've

1300
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 4: got this moon guide or I've been doing this or whatever.

1301
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 4: They all tell me that there's no correlation with the

1302
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 4: RUT dates. They also tell me there's no correlation with

1303
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 4: almost anything they can figure out. Mark Juri is a

1304
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: really strong proponent of the barometric pressure, and I think

1305
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 4: he's onto something there, you know. I do think that

1306
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 4: rising pressure at certain times, you know, really is a trigger.

1307
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 4: But there aren't very many predictable triggers. The other thing

1308
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 4: that gets really weird too is you know, you can

1309
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 4: be out there and see nothing and then a hot

1310
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: dogum comes by. You see fifteen bucks. Yeah, it's the

1311
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 4: greatest run. And the guy one ridge over says today

1312
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 4: was terrible. So it gets it gets kind of quirky,

1313
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, once you get past a certain date in

1314
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 4: the rut. Yeah, it's all there's so much of it

1315
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 4: that's random, and there are so few certain certainties you know,

1316
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: within this. But again I always come back to the

1317
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: basic ones. If you know where he lives and you

1318
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: don't he doesn't know you're hunting him, you got a

1319
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 4: pretty decent chance of killing him eventually. I mean, it

1320
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 4: just keep it super simple.

1321
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: You mentioned that you might give a little credence to

1322
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: the moon impacting maybe how much of that rud activity

1323
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: we see during the day. Have you looked at what

1324
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: the Moon's gonna be this these next thing, you know,

1325
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: three four weeks, and have you thought at all how

1326
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: that might impact you know, this.

1327
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 4: Period, because I'm gonna hunt those dates regardless, you know.

1328
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 4: I mean, the moon isn't going to change when I hunt,

1329
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 4: because I think an over arching force is that is

1330
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 4: the you know, the hormonal aspect, you know, when the

1331
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 4: dose are in estris, you know, and that's that's really

1332
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: not dictated by the moon. So you know, I feel

1333
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 4: like that overweights maybe days when the moon sort of

1334
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: aligns with whatever. You know. I guess maybe I haven't

1335
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 4: studied it enough, you know, maybe there's more to it

1336
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 4: than what I know. I've just used that drip drip, drip,

1337
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: you know mindset for so long that I just hunt

1338
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 4: right through everything you know, and then you know it

1339
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 4: eventually it probably works, you know. It's just, uh, there's

1340
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: so few it sounds bad. I mean, I should have

1341
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 4: some formula, but there are so few things that are

1342
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: totally predictable, you know. It's just kind of hard to

1343
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 4: tell somebody here's the magic formula. So anyway, I don't know,

1344
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 4: maybe I didn't help you very much there.

1345
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: No, No, it's in line with what I with what

1346
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: I imagine would be the case. It makes a lot

1347
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: of sense to me. Okay, that all being said, then, Bill,

1348
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 2: if we're not too worried about what the moon's doing

1349
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: and we can't see what the weather forecast is going

1350
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: to be, you know, for November, right, I think we

1351
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: can see right now what that last week of October

1352
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: looks like. I have seen that in the weather forecast,

1353
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: and at least for Michigan and some of the you know,

1354
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: I think probably over by you two, it looks like

1355
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: pretty good right now, is what it's looking so far.

1356
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: If if someone listening can only take one long weekend

1357
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 2: of vacation, so they could do kind of like what

1358
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 2: you talked about. They could take like a Friday and

1359
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: a Monday or something like that, and they can only

1360
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: pick one. I'm curious which of these weekends you'd recommend

1361
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: they take. And I'm gonna give you two scenarios. I'm

1362
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: gonna tell you if the guy is after one specific buck,

1363
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: or if the guy just wants to kill any buck. Okay,

1364
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: So if the guy is after one specific buck, should

1365
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: he take that weekend of the twenty eighth, twenty nine

1366
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: to thirtieth, like you just talked about, or should he

1367
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: take the weekend of the fourth and fifth of November

1368
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: or the eleventh and twelfth of November.

1369
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 4: Well, I don't like the eleventh and twelfth as well,

1370
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 4: unless it's the rest of them are too warm, you know,

1371
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 4: so you really wish that you didn't have to set

1372
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 4: your vacation time until you know, a few days in advance,

1373
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 4: so you can play weather. It's such a big factor

1374
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 4: in how much daylight activity there is. It's it's really

1375
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 4: hard weather forecast. Aside, if you're hunting one buck, gosh,

1376
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 4: I do like that time frame, let's say, from the

1377
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: twenty eighth to the thirty I really do like. And

1378
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: it does look like it lines up with some cooler

1379
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: temperatures this year, so it's maybe a little bit more

1380
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 4: of a sure thing. But if you're just hunting any

1381
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 4: buck and you just you don't really care, you want,

1382
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 4: you know, a decent buck or a legal buck or whatever,

1383
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 4: then I think that that weekend of the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,

1384
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 4: you know, throw two days in at the end and

1385
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 4: make a four day weekend out of that one. Excuse me,

1386
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 4: I think that one's better than the next one. I

1387
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 4: think the next one. You get too close to that

1388
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: peak of when the most those are estrus. Closer you

1389
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: get to November fifteenth, the less bucks are going to

1390
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 4: be cruising. They're going to be tied up with dose.

1391
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean you can't kill deer. As you

1392
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 4: get close to that peak. You just have to have

1393
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: a hot dough near your tree stand, you know. And

1394
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: they tend not to travel a lot. They don't like

1395
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 4: to get chased, you know. They kind of hide, and

1396
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 4: then the bucks have to go find them, you know.

1397
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 4: So it's not like once they've you know, it's not

1398
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 4: like these hot doughs are running all over the place,

1399
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 4: you know, dragon bucks here and there. It's a really

1400
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 4: frustrating time in my experience, from about the twelfth to

1401
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 4: the seventeenth or eighteenth.

1402
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always felt the same way. But then I

1403
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: have been seeing this trend and I don't know if

1404
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 2: this will continue, but I've been I've been wanting to

1405
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: go back and look at this and try to actually

1406
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: get the data to back it up. But I'm going

1407
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: to have to deal with anecdotal evidence. For now. It

1408
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: seems like over the last ten to fifteen years, we

1409
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: have had a whole lot of years where that beginning

1410
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: of November is warm. We've had a lot of warm

1411
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: beginnings in November, and I've started wondering when I'm planning,

1412
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: like my rut vacation, you know, do I want to

1413
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: push it a little bit later so I can get

1414
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: that cooler weather because I'm sick of hunting November second

1415
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,480
Speaker 2: and it's eighty degrees.

1416
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 4: I know, And that's what I'm saying. The weather is

1417
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 4: such a big factor, but it shouldn't be it shouldn't

1418
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 4: be warm. Then, you know, there's not like you know,

1419
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 4: global warming doesn't just affect a one week time frame.

1420
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 4: Let's say, even if warming right, it's not narrow to say,

1421
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 4: oh it's global warming the first week of November, but

1422
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 4: not the rest. So it's just a bad coincidence. It's

1423
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: just a bad of luck because I've seen years when

1424
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 4: that first week of November was cold and it was

1425
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 4: just like bedlam. I mean, it was everywhere, making scrapes

1426
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 4: running and just crazy, awesome, unbelievably good hunting. And then

1427
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 4: like you say, you'll run into those years when it's

1428
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 4: seventy degrees or seventy five degrees and it's just you know, dead.

1429
01:10:55,439 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 4: So assuming seasonal temperatures, you know that that timeframe is

1430
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 4: really good. But you know, if you know the weather

1431
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 4: is going to be good the tail end of October,

1432
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 4: you could roll the dice and say, well, I'm gonna

1433
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with this, you know, because I know

1434
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 4: the weather is so important, I'm not going to risk

1435
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 4: it being warm past the forecast window. I don't know,

1436
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: it's I wish I had the answer to that, because

1437
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 4: everybody wants to know what's the magic day, and you

1438
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 4: can tell them when it should be, but you can't

1439
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 4: tell them when it's going to be because of the weather.

1440
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of last year, we had that really

1441
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: brutal stretch for most of the country that was so

1442
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: warm there during the windows that we would hope would

1443
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: be great. Where do where do you land these days

1444
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: as far as how to hunt those warm rut days?

1445
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: How do you make the best of that situation. I

1446
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: hope we don't have it this year, but I'm trying

1447
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 2: to make sure I'm prepared just in case.

1448
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 4: Well, you got to hunt morning specifically, because if you

1449
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 4: think about it, like I'm sitting out here right now

1450
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 4: outside the building and it was thirty degrees. There was

1451
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 4: frost on the ground when I got up. It's still

1452
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 4: pretty chilly. I mean, it's probably thirty six right now.

1453
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sitting out here with my hands down

1454
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 4: in my pockets trying to keep them more. But by

1455
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 4: let's say five o'clock tonight, it might be sixty degrees

1456
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: and it may not cool down until after sunset. So

1457
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 4: you have more hours of cool temperature in the morning

1458
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 4: than what you do in the afternoon. So the mornings

1459
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 4: tend to be better when it's really hot because they

1460
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 4: had that benefit of that cooler night in order to

1461
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 4: bring all the you know, the average temperatures down. So

1462
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 4: there's going to be more daylight movement on the tail

1463
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 4: end of the nighttime cooler than there would be on

1464
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: the front end, you know, when it's still warm in

1465
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 4: the afternoons. So I mean, hot dough Trump's all of that,

1466
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 4: you know, because she's going to bring them out no

1467
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 4: matter what, you know. But you know, without a hot

1468
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 4: dough dictating the behavior, I believe the mornings are better.

1469
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 4: And you got to be close to the betting areas

1470
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 4: because you know, that's uh, they're they're betting down earlier

1471
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 4: than normal, so you know, hunting mornings close to betting areas.

1472
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 4: I can't remember what year it was, it was in

1473
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 4: the late nineties, I think or early two thousands. There

1474
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 4: was one year when it was eighty plus degrees excuse

1475
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 4: me every day during that first week of November, and

1476
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 4: I ended up filling the buckouts after. But it was

1477
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 4: a right first light in the morning, right near a

1478
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 4: betting area is where I finally got him. And that

1479
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 4: was that was hard, hard hunting, you know, because of that.

1480
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we talked about your I'm gonna call it

1481
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 2: your drip drip drip strategy, Bill, and you should coin that.

1482
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: We should coin it as your Bill Winki's drip drip strategy.

1483
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: We talked about that how you you know, how you

1484
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: use that when you're targeting a specific buck in October.

1485
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 2: But what about when we get into November and we

1486
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: get to that period where they start shifting around a

1487
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: little more and start doing some funky things. You know,

1488
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: what does your approach look like now in November when

1489
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: you're still after that one deer that becomes a lot

1490
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: more difficult. I think in the eyes of a lot

1491
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: of people, how are you shifting your approach? Then?

1492
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: Well, see again, I'm unique, fortunate, blessed. Stay what you will.

1493
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 4: The state of Iowa, we can hunt the whole month

1494
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 4: of or November with a bow, you know. So there's

1495
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 4: there's another phase of the ret that I can wait for.

1496
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 4: But let's say you're in Michigan and you know the

1497
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: gun seasons coming in on the fifteenth, and so you

1498
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 4: have the block. I don't live frog here, but you

1499
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 4: definitely want to become more aggressive. The closer you get

1500
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: to that, you know, it makes sense to start going

1501
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 4: maybe into some of those more high risk you know,

1502
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 4: und of stand locations, and maybe the entry exsit isn't perfect,

1503
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 4: but you know that there's a ditch crossing where every

1504
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 4: buck in that whole area crosses it eventually, but you

1505
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 4: could get caught there, you know, whatever the case may be.

1506
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 4: There are spots that probably get more traffic than others,

1507
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 4: but in the most people will hunt those, unfortunately, but

1508
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 4: those are high risk, high reward. I don't like the

1509
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 4: risk side of that, you know. I would rather have

1510
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 4: low risk, average reward and then just put my time

1511
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: in because if you don't get him on that first

1512
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 4: or second hunt, you probably ruined that spot and he

1513
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 4: knows you or enough oh that you've now compromised that

1514
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 4: whole part of your property. So I save those in

1515
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 4: that situation until you know you're you're up against the

1516
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 4: end of it. So like let's say you've got a

1517
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 4: rud hunting vacation, as you get closer to the last

1518
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 4: couple of days, you might as well ramp up the

1519
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 4: you know, the aggression. Don't don't be dumb, because it

1520
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 4: still doesn't do any good to go in there and

1521
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 4: spoop deer, you know, but you can take those calculated

1522
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 4: risks a little bit more and again, like for me,

1523
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 4: we got another period from about the twentieth to the

1524
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 4: twenty sixth of November when it's really good. Again, not

1525
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 4: as good as the front end of the peak, but

1526
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 4: it's pretty good, you know. So you know, I don't

1527
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 4: I don't even when I wind down that first you know,

1528
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 4: I call it buck activity peak right before the does

1529
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 4: are all in estrus. If I haven't gott him yet,

1530
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 4: I don't get too too stressed because I know he's

1531
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 4: going to come back to food in daylight right after

1532
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 4: the peak.

1533
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of folks throw a Bucks pattern

1534
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: out the window once you get to November because they assume,

1535
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 2: you know, there's off to the races checking out for doughs,

1536
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 2: and they'll just sit funnels, or they'll sit doll betting areas.

1537
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 2: Have you found that there is still some value to

1538
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: what you learned about that buck even in November, like

1539
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 2: in this small core range type buck, would you just

1540
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: be hunting the dough betting air is right tight to

1541
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 2: that still or would you change that in any way?

1542
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 4: No, I think I'd still hunt in your situation unless

1543
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 4: he starts leaving there, which he may, but let's say

1544
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 4: he doesn't. Because I'm hunted some that never never left

1545
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 4: their thirty forty acre range. Then you don't need to

1546
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 4: ever do anything different.

1547
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1548
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 4: Maybe you get a little bit more aggressive right before

1549
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 4: the fifteenth, but you just got to stay in the game,

1550
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 4: you know, and just put your time in. The worst

1551
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: thing you can do is let him know you're hunting him,

1552
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 4: you know. So you know, I think to answer that

1553
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 4: question is I don't think they get as crazy as

1554
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 4: what people think they do. You know, I think they move,

1555
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 4: they move a little bit more until they find that

1556
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 4: dough and then they hole up with her for you know,

1557
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 4: who knows how long. I mean, I've seen some crazy

1558
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 4: stuff from the tree stand on how much time a

1559
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 4: buck spends with the dough. I've seen I've seen bucks

1560
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 4: run up, breed a dough, and run off. I mean,

1561
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 4: I I'll just talk about this two day courtship ritual.

1562
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 4: I saw one to one time get bred by two

1563
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 4: different bucks in a five minute period that just ran up,

1564
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 4: bred the dough, ran off, another one ran up, and

1565
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 4: then they finally figured out, you know, through d n

1566
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 4: I DNA testing that twins aren't necessarily from the same buck. Well,

1567
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 4: you know, I saw that. In the real world is chaos,

1568
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 4: you know. So some of this stuff that we think

1569
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 4: is how this works is more organized than what everybody

1570
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 4: what it really is. So you can throw a lot

1571
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 4: of this is how the ret works out the window

1572
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 4: because it can be anything. So I would assume that

1573
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 4: he's not going to go crazy all over the place.

1574
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 4: I would assume he's going to stay there until he

1575
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 4: shows you otherwise, we rarely over the years have killed

1576
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: bucks that we didn't have pictures of during the rut.

1577
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 4: It's not like they're coming from all over the neighborhood,

1578
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 4: you know, to our farm. I talked to a big

1579
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: outfitter in southern Iowa, and he covers a lot of

1580
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 4: ground and I said, how many strange bucks you know,

1581
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 4: strangers do you guys kill? And he said almost none.

1582
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 4: He said, we are almost always killing bucks that we've got,

1583
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 4: you know, some history with from that season in that area.

1584
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 4: So I just don't think you have to be You

1585
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 4: don't have to change your strategy a whole lot. I

1586
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 4: do think you move in on the dough betting areas,

1587
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 4: but you can start doing that at the tail end

1588
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 4: of October a little bit. But I don't like it

1589
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 4: too much in October. I like it better in November

1590
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 4: because I just feel like it's a little too early.

1591
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 4: In October. You don't have to be there because those

1592
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 4: bucks are going to be out looking in the food,

1593
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 4: at the food sources more. You really don't need to

1594
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 4: press in in October, But in November it makes sense

1595
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 4: to press into those dough betting areas a little bit more.

1596
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: What about in your situation this year, You've got these

1597
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: two roaming bucks that are all over what's the rut approach?

1598
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: Going to be for you. Let's let's I hope you

1599
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: kill them soon, but let's just say you don't get

1600
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: killed until November. And you've got these deer, They're spread

1601
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: out over a half mile. What do you do. You

1602
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: have a few spots in mind already, you think, like, man,

1603
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 2: this is probably where I'm gonna spend a lot of time.

1604
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: What's what do those places look like?

1605
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 4: They're they're betting areas. I'll spend almost all my time

1606
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 4: mornings and evenings in the betting areas and in this

1607
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 4: area that I hunt. They're very pronounced. If you can

1608
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 4: see behind me, and you know, the two dimensions doesn't

1609
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 4: do justice to it. But this country is really vertical,

1610
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 4: and they bet up on those ridges. I mean there's

1611
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 4: I could look around me and say, well, I mean,

1612
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 4: I can kill him right up there. I mean, I'm

1613
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 4: just pointing, you know, three hundred yards to a to

1614
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 4: a bluff top, and there's a betting area up there.

1615
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 4: You know, if I just spend my time on those

1616
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 4: ridge tops near those betting areas in the morning and

1617
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 4: evening all day sits if I really had, if I

1618
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 4: wasn't hunting with the cameraman, I would sleep you know,

1619
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 4: at the base of the tree. More. That really does work,

1620
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 4: because the only way you screw up those bedding areas

1621
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: is the coming and going part. Right. You know, once

1622
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 4: you're in there, you know a lot of times you've

1623
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 4: got it, you know pretty much. You know, it settles

1624
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 4: in and life's good. And then you climb down and

1625
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 4: it's you know, still out. You crunch through the leaves

1626
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 4: and every deer and the whole countryside knows you were there.

1627
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 4: And then you come crunching in the next morning and

1628
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 4: it's the dead still out.

1629
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 2: Oh.

1630
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 4: You know, if you go in at midday when the

1631
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 4: wind is blowing, they don't notice. You get into your tree,

1632
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 4: you hunt the afternoon, you get up the next morning,

1633
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 4: climb back in the tree. You know, it's like it's awesome.

1634
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 4: That's why I like hunting blinds a little bit more

1635
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 4: now too, because I'll just sleep in the blind. It's

1636
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 4: the it's the coming and going that ruins it. And

1637
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 4: so anyway, my my point being, if I didn't have

1638
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 4: to worry about other people like cameramen and my daughter's

1639
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 4: hunting and stuff like that, I would never leave those

1640
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 4: betting areas, you know, I would just go in and

1641
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 4: stay until I killed him, and it would work, you know,

1642
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 4: but it's not. Unfortunately, once I started doing this video again,

1643
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 4: I had to give up that style of hunting. But

1644
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 4: it works. I mean I've had come back to me

1645
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 4: and you know, hear me talk about it and say,

1646
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 4: you know, I use a canoe and I go down

1647
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 4: the river and you know, I don't leave until I

1648
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 4: get him. I'm like, yeah, I mean, it really does work,

1649
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 4: you know, because the coming and going that's where they

1650
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 4: get you.

1651
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 2: Now, these ridge betting area spots that you hunt, I've

1652
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 2: heard you in the past describe them. And I can't

1653
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: remember if it was when we talked on the podcast

1654
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: or if I heard this somewhere else, but I know

1655
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: you like to set up in places on a ridge

1656
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: where a couple draws meet up towards the top, and

1657
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: so you have like three lines of movement. You've got

1658
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: the up and down the ridge, You've got deer that

1659
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: curl around each of those draws, and then you have

1660
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: deer that cross the saddle. Is that still your favorite

1661
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: kind of rut set up on a ridge or is

1662
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: there any other tweak on that or more nuanced that

1663
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 2: I'm missing?

1664
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 4: I think that's good. I think the main thing because

1665
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of general movement where the dose bed.

1666
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 4: You know, the bucks come in there and they just

1667
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: kind of move, you know, not randomly, but they usually

1668
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 4: stay on the downwind fringe of the ridge top and

1669
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 4: you're gonna be there anyway, because you're gonna have your

1670
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 4: scent blowing off the ridge down down into the valley

1671
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 4: behind you. But that's a really good pattern, So it's

1672
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 4: not if it's a really wide ridge. If you can

1673
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 4: find those draws that come up, then that does create

1674
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 4: that pinch you know at the top where they go

1675
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 4: around the contours, so you get a little bit more activity,

1676
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 4: you know, across the top of the ridge, and then

1677
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 4: you get the deer going around you know, those contours,

1678
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 4: and you do narrow them down in those spots. But

1679
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't I'm looking at the spot right now,

1680
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 4: or I think I can kill him. I mean, it's

1681
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 4: just off to my right, and I would just go

1682
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 4: straight up and just sit on the downwind fringe and

1683
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 4: not worry about it and just let the you know,

1684
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 4: the random buck movement and then the fact that I'm

1685
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 4: on the down wind fringe of that betting area and

1686
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 4: that's usually how they circle around those. If I could

1687
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 4: stay there for four days, five days then not have

1688
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 4: to come and go, I'd get them. It's not it's

1689
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 4: not for everybody, and it's kind of a you know,

1690
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 4: really strange, maybe almost hardcore a way to hunt. But

1691
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 4: it's so effective, you know. And I've even thought about this.

1692
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 4: We're really getting off topic now, but I've even thought

1693
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 4: about digging in, you know, like they have these underwater

1694
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 4: water tanks, you know, or underground water tanks that hold

1695
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 4: say I don't know how many five hundred gallons or

1696
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 4: a thousand gallons or something, just digging those into the

1697
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 4: ground and then you know, just coming down out of

1698
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 4: the tree and getting in one man, you know, because

1699
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 4: it's like a little apartment. Then you know, wow, that's

1700
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 4: once you start doing it, it's just addictive because you know,

1701
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 4: think about the coming and going and how many deer.

1702
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 4: I mean, if you didn't have to leave, how easy

1703
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 4: would this game be.

1704
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: So we did talk about this a little bit last time,

1705
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: because you were just you were talking about sleeping at

1706
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: the base of your tree that year. This would have

1707
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: been I think twenty twenty one, when you were still

1708
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: on that permission or lease piece. And I always wondered.

1709
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 2: I kept thinking about that, and I wondered about the impact.

1710
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: I know that you were avoiding the in and out,

1711
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: but I always worried about like you staying in one

1712
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: place for twelve hours overnight and that scent pool just

1713
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: kind of slowly just growing around you. You've done it, now,

1714
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 2: have you not seen? I must assume that's not been

1715
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 2: an issue for you, right.

1716
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 4: Scent pool, not if you do it right, because I

1717
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 4: would have deer. You find some really really weird and

1718
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,799
Speaker 4: interesting and hair raising things that happened when you're sleeping

1719
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 4: up on the ridge, you know, and two in the morning,

1720
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 4: you know, and and stuff comes crunching around. You know,

1721
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 4: it's like, what is it going to step on me?

1722
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 4: Because as I had a sleeping pad, a warm bag,

1723
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 4: and I had a bivy sack and the waterproof you know,

1724
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 4: so it's not going to be letting your scent out.

1725
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 4: You put everything inside that bivvy sack and then you

1726
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 4: get down inside that bivy sack. So you're laying right

1727
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 4: on the ground, super low profile. The wind is blowing

1728
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 4: over you. You know, it's not scent anywhere. There is

1729
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 4: no scent it's leaving that bag, except maybe your breath

1730
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 4: if there is you know, human scent in breath, which

1731
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: is debatable. Put all my gear in a rubber canoe bag,

1732
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 4: you know, for two reasons, to keep the scent, but

1733
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 4: also to keep any dew or frost, you know, from

1734
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 4: getting on your gear. So when you get up in

1735
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 4: the morning, you stand on that rubber bag, get dressed,

1736
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 4: and then you sneak over to your tree. Pretty it's

1737
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 4: a pretty cool system. It's boring. But they didn't they

1738
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 4: didn't pick me up. I mean they'd come in and

1739
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 4: they'd make circles around me. I had a six pointer

1740
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 4: one one time that he saw me climb down from

1741
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 4: my tree, and you know, he couldn't get over the

1742
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 4: fact that I never left, you know, because it was

1743
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 4: like I went over to a down tree and my

1744
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 4: camp was already set up, and I just slid right

1745
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 4: into my bag inside the bivy sack and you know,

1746
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: laid down. Well, he spent hours circleared that down tree

1747
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 4: trying to figure out where I went. He did not

1748
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 4: like the fact that I didn't go down the hill.

1749
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: He never smelled me in there. Yeah, but uh so,

1750
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 4: I don't think it's quite as much intrusive as what

1751
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 4: people think, as long as you take some steps to

1752
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 4: keep your scent bottled up, you know. The I think

1753
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 4: the snoring probably gets you more than anything. If you're

1754
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 4: a snorer.

1755
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't bring your seapat machine in, I think

1756
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: on these kind of hunts.

1757
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 4: So if you fishing that you snore, and you better

1758
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 4: not sleep that way because you're gonna have every and

1759
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 4: and they're waiting for you to wake up.

1760
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: All right, So that ridge top betting situation, that makes

1761
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. What about back in the day

1762
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: when you were hunting southern Iowa and you didn't have

1763
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 2: quite that much topography. I know, there's all sorts of

1764
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: other places that can be great dough betting areas you

1765
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: can set up on. And we all know that being

1766
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: downwind to dough betting areas is a great place to be.

1767
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: But are there any other little details that have helped

1768
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: you pick like the spot within the spot to make

1769
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 2: that downwind of dough betting air the best possible location

1770
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: you can get for this time of year.

1771
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 4: I think the movement is is just general enough that

1772
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 4: you don't have to zero in too much. Okay, you know, again,

1773
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 4: like you've got those draws that create those funnels. There

1774
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 4: is one other type of stand location that is really

1775
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 4: really good throughout the whole rut, and that is you know,

1776
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, you can call them whatever you want to,

1777
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 4: but those little microplots next to betting areas. If you

1778
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 4: have a blind on one of those, like say it's

1779
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 4: a quarter of an acre and a half an acre,

1780
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 4: and you can get in there in midday, the deer

1781
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 4: are going to move really well through that morning and evening.

1782
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you can hunt those things all day every

1783
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 4: day because you're so close to the betting areas that

1784
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,919
Speaker 4: they become more like I call them staging area plots,

1785
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 4: or you know, there's almost like a singles bar. You know,

1786
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,839
Speaker 4: the bucks will come through and they'll hit every scrape,

1787
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 4: the doughs come out and grab a couple of bites

1788
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 4: of clover before they do anything else. You know. It's

1789
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 4: those spots are really really good. But a lot of

1790
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 4: times you don't have the opportunity to create those. I

1791
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: mean I don't have them on this farm, but I

1792
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 4: had like ten of them on that farm in southern Iowa.

1793
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 4: So I spend lots and lots of my time hunting

1794
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 4: those kind of locations too, because they're so deadly and

1795
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,520
Speaker 4: they're so easy to hunt.

1796
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 2: How close does a plot like that have to be

1797
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: to the betting area to be that effective? Like are

1798
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: we talking like literally right in the edge, or it

1799
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 2: can be one hundred yards? What are we talking?

1800
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 4: I think the closer the better. One hundred yards is

1801
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 4: probably more than I usually do because you can sneak

1802
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 4: into them, you know, if you set them up right,

1803
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 4: you can sneak within thirty yards of a betted deer.

1804
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 4: You know, if if it's thick in the situations right

1805
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 4: and there's a little bit of wind, you you just

1806
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 4: have to be quiet, you have to move slow, and

1807
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 4: you got a glass ahead, you know, so it's not

1808
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 4: like you've got to be a long ways away to

1809
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 4: make it work. But you'd like to have some kind

1810
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 4: of a buffer between you and the betting area, whether

1811
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 4: it's thick cover or something that you know, you don't

1812
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 4: want it to be open. If it's an open betting

1813
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 4: area and you have some control, you need to get

1814
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 4: the chainsaw out and you know open, you know, open

1815
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 4: the canopy, make it thicker so the deer can't see

1816
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 4: you coming and going, But I mean I'm within probably

1817
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 4: thirty to forty yards maybe of a lot of them,

1818
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 4: maybe one hundred at the most, because you're getting a

1819
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 4: little far away there, because they've got a lot of options.

1820
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 4: Then when they get up, you want it where they

1821
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 4: don't have any options. They get up and they come

1822
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 4: to your little thing, whereas if night are away, they

1823
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 4: get up and they go this way or that way

1824
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 4: and they don't have to come right to you.

1825
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. So those types of areas work

1826
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: great during that prime rut period. Are you still gonna

1827
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 2: hunt these standard rut locations once you get to that

1828
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 2: middle of November lockdown ish period when you know there's

1829
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 2: a lot of deer that are with a lot of

1830
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: bucks with doughs, although as you talked about, they don't

1831
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: always do that thing. Does anything change during the lockdown

1832
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 2: ish period?

1833
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 4: There are probably people who have a system that know

1834
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 4: how to hunt that better than me. I always just

1835
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 4: hunt wherever I think the most dos are going to be,

1836
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 4: you know, and they're not coming to food anymore, so

1837
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 4: you might as well throw that out the window. The

1838
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 4: only ones come into food are the ones that have

1839
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,799
Speaker 4: already been bred. So and they're going to get some attention,

1840
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 4: but they're not going to get attention from the bucks

1841
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 4: that you're interested in. They know, so you're still staying

1842
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 4: closer to the dough betting areas, maybe funnels between two

1843
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 4: dough betting areas. Those can be really really good during

1844
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 4: any phase of the rut, and generally they're easier to

1845
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 4: hunt than the bedding area itself. Those are those are

1846
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 4: always a prime candidate even during that timeframe, but probably

1847
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 4: when most of the dose are in Estris, you're just

1848
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 4: trying to be near a spot where a dough is

1849
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 4: in Estres because there's still little general cruising from the bucks.

1850
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,839
Speaker 4: You know, if the buck to dough ratio is really

1851
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 4: you know, in the favor of bucks, you'll see more

1852
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 4: general movement of bucks during that time. But if there's

1853
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 4: a three plus does for every buck, you don't see

1854
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 4: a whole lot of buck movement during that time when

1855
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 4: most of the dos are in Estrs. So you got

1856
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 4: to be right where that Estras dough is.

1857
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: What if you see that Estros dough with the buck

1858
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: you're after locked on or sneak up on it, have

1859
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 2: you got Yeah, you'll do that?

1860
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Stan Patzi used to do that quite

1861
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 4: a bit. And the areas that he under in Illinois,

1862
01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 4: he could glass big areas and there's a lot of

1863
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 4: cr and he'd see a buck and a doe off

1864
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 4: in the CRP. He'd sneak after him and he killed

1865
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 4: deer like that. And I've had some close calls, but

1866
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 4: a lot of what I hunt is pretty heavy timber,

1867
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 4: so I don't have that option maybe of seeing a

1868
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 4: lot of country, But that would be a good strategy,

1869
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, if all else fails, just get in an

1870
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 4: observation stand and just watch a bunch of country, and

1871
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 4: especially in the mornings, just see those bucks kind of

1872
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 4: following the doughs real slow out into maybe a little

1873
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 4: thicket out in the middle of the sea. Or yeah,

1874
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 4: I go sneak up on him. My friend Jim Hill

1875
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 4: killed a really nice one eighty plus buck doing that

1876
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 4: on one of the farms that we hunted. He saw

1877
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 4: the deer, he saw them go off. What he really

1878
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 4: saw was the buck chasing other bucks off. He was

1879
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 4: in a fence line. That's a dead giveaway. You know,

1880
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 4: when you run away from somewhere there's a hot dough

1881
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 4: and a dominant buck right in that spot where he

1882
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 4: ran from. You don't have to see him to know

1883
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 4: he's there. But anyway, he just snuck in and snuck close.

1884
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 4: He did sneak right up to them, but I think

1885
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 4: you got within about fifty yards and then when the

1886
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 4: buck stood up, you know, or when she stood up,

1887
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 4: and you know, he was able to get like a

1888
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 4: thirty yard shot because they kind of drifted his way.

1889
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that's a really good strategy too. I've

1890
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 4: not employed it because the country that I hunt usually

1891
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 4: isn't open enough for that, but that would definitely work.

1892
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 4: If you see a buck lockdown with a dough, that's

1893
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 4: a really good chance to sneak up on him because

1894
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 4: he's not gonna leave even if he sees you. You know,

1895
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 4: it's weird.

1896
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: It's really weird, as long as you don't spook her, right, Yeah. Yeah,

1897
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I found in that situation that at least a few

1898
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 2: times I've seen this, and I think this is usually

1899
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 2: what goes on, but a few times I've been able

1900
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 2: to take advantage of it. Where you see that buck

1901
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 2: locked on the dough and they don't want to move

1902
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 2: a whole lot, like over the next day or two,

1903
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 2: they're kind of in that same little zone. So I've

1904
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 2: always thought, like, if I see the buck I'm after

1905
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 2: locked in with a dough, I'm going to get in

1906
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 2: as tight as i can and playing on doing the

1907
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 2: same thing again tomorrow, because they're probably they get pushed.

1908
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna push her back into that little pocket

1909
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,440
Speaker 2: or something. Have you done something similar.

1910
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, And I think you need to be

1911
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,719
Speaker 4: more aggressive than that. I think your window every minute

1912
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 4: that you wait, the likelihood of them going someplace else,

1913
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, increases. So if you see where a buck

1914
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 4: and and dough or hold up, get down from your

1915
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 4: tree and do everything you can to sneak close. And then,

1916
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 4: even if you can't get right onto them where you

1917
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 4: can get the shot, at least find a place where

1918
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 4: when they get up and they mill around a little bit,

1919
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 4: maybe you can get a shot that way. But yeah,

1920
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 4: I think you'd be super aggressive then, because it's you

1921
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 4: got nothing to lose, and by being cautious and saying, well,

1922
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to get him out of my stand

1923
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 4: by moving closer or whatever, a lot of times it's

1924
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 4: they've moved on, or maybe they're one hundred yards down

1925
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 4: the line or whatever, it's pretty rare that they'll go

1926
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 4: to the exact same spot two days in a row.

1927
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 4: They're gonna move so they're not gonna move far, and

1928
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 4: they're not going to move fast. But if you see him,

1929
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 4: you gotta go right now.

1930
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: Now, what if that buck and dough is on their

1931
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: feet and they're walking but they're out of range, do

1932
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 2: you try a hail Mary call? Or is it a

1933
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 2: waste of time and not worth it?

1934
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 4: All is a waste of time. But again, you know,

1935
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,759
Speaker 4: it depends on how good you are at sneaking figure

1936
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 4: out where they might be headed, and get down and

1937
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 4: run around and get in front of them. I mean,

1938
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 4: he's not coming to you, He's going where that dough

1939
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 4: is going. End of story, you know, and a reason

1940
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 4: for the doe to come closer to you. You may

1941
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 4: never see him again, you know. So I've had bucks

1942
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 4: like that too. I mean there's one in our one

1943
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 4: of the farms, one hundred in southern Iowa, just a giant,

1944
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 4: one ninety plus buck following a dough really slow across

1945
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 4: the food plot. The other end of it, I thought,

1946
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 4: oh man, I'm gonna get this buck. I'm gonna sit

1947
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 4: here all day and I never saw him again, of course,

1948
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 4: I mean I should have just got got down and

1949
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 4: what if it got to lose, you know, and sneak

1950
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 4: in the direction where they went. Just go slow, sneak, sneak,

1951
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 4: sneaks neat glass in the head. You got the whole

1952
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 4: rest of the day. You know, maybe you can spot

1953
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 4: the dough, maybe you can spot him.

1954
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 2: So this this seems to fly in the face though,

1955
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: of so much of your approach to hunting a specific deer,

1956
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 2: which is no risk, which is like, do not let

1957
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: them send you, do not let them see you.

1958
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 4: So so how do you I might not do that

1959
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 4: on bucks that I'm after and I know they're range

1960
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 4: and I got him narrowed down, I might wait until,

1961
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, after the peak of the rod. But I'm

1962
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 4: just saying in general, okay, like maybe you don't do

1963
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 4: it either. But let's say it's November fourteenth, you know,

1964
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 4: the gun season in I mean, unless that area just

1965
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 4: you know, he's not going to get shot during the

1966
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 4: gun season. He can wait it out. But I would

1967
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 4: get down and go after him. Now, for most people,

1968
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 4: they if they don't have a buck pattern and they

1969
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 4: see a shooter that's following a dough and they're not

1970
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 4: like chasing running acting silly. But he's locked on that

1971
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 4: dough and they're walking slow, and you know that he's

1972
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 4: not leaving her until he's utter two or three times.

1973
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 4: You might as well just go after him.

1974
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, does does anything that we've talked about not apply

1975
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 2: for the late rut you mentioned? Like in Iowa, you

1976
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: guys uniquely can still hunt running white tails with a

1977
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 2: bow when you get to that Thanksgiving time period or

1978
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 2: whatever it is, do you do anything different than what

1979
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: we've discussed.

1980
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 4: I'm I tend to back off the morning hunts. You know,

1981
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 4: a lot of guys continue with it. So much of

1982
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 4: the activity then focuses on food. You know, as soon

1983
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 4: as the primary rut is over, the bucks are still

1984
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 4: thinking about does, but they're thinking about eating too, And

1985
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 4: most of the doze by that time that are coming

1986
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:50,759
Speaker 4: into esters late excuse me, are going to be around

1987
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 4: the food also because all the craziness has gone out

1988
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 4: of it. Now is just business, you know, Like the

1989
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 4: young bucks are worn out. They're not chasing anything anymore,

1990
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 4: you know. Now it's like these older bucks they kind

1991
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 4: of say, well, it's just you know, I just need

1992
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 4: to find heer breeder move on, you know, it's not

1993
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 4: the excitement has gone. That's why the front end of

1994
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 4: the rut is so much more buck movement. By the

1995
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 4: tail end, it's just all business. But the business takes

1996
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 4: place around the food sources, and I'm sure it takes

1997
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 4: place around the bedding areas too. I just don't you know,

1998
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 4: after a month of it, you know, I'm kind of

1999
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 4: burned out too, so I'll back off the mornings, you know,

2000
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 4: by by that second peak, you know, I might still

2001
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 4: hunt set the mornings until say the twenty fourth or something,

2002
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 4: maybe the twenty fifth of November. But from there until

2003
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 4: the shotgun season comes in, the food sources is where

2004
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 4: the actions at. Okay, and that's just that's just states

2005
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 4: like ours. I mean, there's so few Ohio, Kansas, Iowa,

2006
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 4: there's probably a couple others, you know where you can

2007
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:54,879
Speaker 4: you can hunt with the bow right up until the

2008
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 4: December time.

2009
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's pretty nice to We'll do that. Yeah,

2010
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: there's one aspect of this time of year, this you

2011
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 2: know peak late October through November, but we haven't discussed

2012
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 2: and that is the mental side of it. And you've

2013
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 2: you've hunted almost every day of the rut. For thirty

2014
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 2: plus years, I've heard you say you know this better

2015
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 2: than almost anyone. You've had to grind through what is

2016
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,759
Speaker 2: ahead of all of us right now, many many, many times.

2017
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 2: Sitting where you sit now on the backside of so

2018
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: much experience, What have you learned about the mental preparation

2019
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 2: we need to do leading into it and keeping our

2020
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 2: head right in the game over this six week period

2021
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: or five week period.

2022
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 4: And I think depending on how much time you get

2023
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 4: to hunt. You know, my situation is unique because I

2024
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 4: don't have a limitation. I mean, I do have to work,

2025
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, So it's not like I can hunt every

2026
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 4: single day, so I still have to pick the days.

2027
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 4: But I could hunt maybe a morning and then work

2028
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 4: in the afternoon. Or I could hunt an afternoon and

2029
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 4: work in the morning. So I could probably hunt almost

2030
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 4: every day. You have to appreciate the fact that it's

2031
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 4: a marathon and not a sprint. But in some situations

2032
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 4: it is a sprint, you know, because you've only got

2033
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 4: you know, four days or a week or whatever. You know.

2034
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 4: So so for me, it's more I see these young

2035
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 4: guys that are interning for me, and you know, Ethan

2036
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 4: is an employee, you know, a part time employee, and

2037
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,759
Speaker 4: they're just like eight up and crazy. Now I'm like, guys,

2038
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 4: you know, it's a long season.

2039
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 2: It relax.

2040
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 4: You don't just like burn stuff out just because you've

2041
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 4: heard a couple of people that have killed big deer. Yeah.

2042
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 4: I mean I almost killed that buck ouse after last night.

2043
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 4: But I'm not like eight up thinking, oh, I got

2044
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 4: to get right back on top of him. You know,

2045
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 4: time is still into your favorite It's just that patience,

2046
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 4: you know. And maybe that's the one perspective I've gotten

2047
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 4: now that I didn't have when I was younger. But again,

2048
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 4: it's unique to my situation and somewhat to your. I'm

2049
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 4: sure that we get to hunt more, you know, so

2050
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 4: we have the luxury of being patient. Yeah, and and

2051
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 4: but gosh, you know, if I I hunted seventy five

2052
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 4: straight days one year, it was a long in my

2053
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 4: late thirties, I think early thirties, early thirties, yeah, early thirties.

2054
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 4: So I had all that energy, you know, and and

2055
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 4: I never got burned out. I mean I loved it.

2056
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 4: I mean I went to I remember towards the end

2057
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 4: of that timeframe, I was at Walmart and I saw

2058
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 4: the banner, you know, hanging down on the other end

2059
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 4: of the building. I was trying to figure out, you know,

2060
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 4: maybe I was looking for something specific, and I thought,

2061
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 4: I wonder what that banner says, and I reached down

2062
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:46,640
Speaker 4: to my chest you under, grab my binoculars. So you

2063
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 4: just get it just gets so like I didn't get out,

2064
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 4: you know, it just became a part of, you know,

2065
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 4: my day. It's like I had to be out there.

2066
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like it became who you

2067
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 4: are to be in the tree. But now I can't

2068
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,600
Speaker 4: do that. I mean, I'm a lot older now, and

2069
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 4: I mean it's I'm going to burn out if I'm

2070
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 4: not careful.

2071
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, any tricks you can.

2072
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 4: Probably hunt every day, can you.

2073
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 2: You know, I certainly do it, but I still get

2074
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 2: burnt out too. Plus the you know, the unique thing

2075
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 2: that I'm encountering now is trying to balance the drive

2076
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 2: to go NonStop with the you know, young kids, family

2077
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,560
Speaker 2: stuff too. It's like, how do you do that the

2078
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 2: right way? That's a trick that I'm still figuring out too.

2079
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2080
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, it's easy to get excited, it's

2081
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 2: easy to get fully locked in on it. And then

2082
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 2: find yourself though on day fourteen or if it's a

2083
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: we're at vacation, day seven in the morning, if things

2084
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 2: aren't going your way. You've woken up at three am

2085
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 2: every day for seven straight days. It is easy to

2086
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 2: have a tiny little lapse, and if you have a

2087
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 2: tiny little lapse at the wrong time, it can cost

2088
01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 2: you everything. And that's been the hardest thing for me,

2089
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 2: is like, how do you not have those little lapses

2090
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 2: or what do you do to give yourself a tiny

2091
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: buffer so that doesn't happen? You know?

2092
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, because as soon as you start hunting sloppy, you

2093
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 4: have to hunt every day like that's the day, you know,

2094
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 4: because if you don't, if you start to get a

2095
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 4: little bit sloppy in your approach, then you're going to

2096
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 4: screw it up. So I think that that is more

2097
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 4: just a discipline thing. You have to say, this is

2098
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 4: the day I have to hunt today, as if I'm

2099
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 4: going to kill him, as if I know I'm going

2100
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 4: to kill him. Otherwise, rather than sneaking in the way

2101
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 4: that you normally sneak in, you take the path of

2102
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 4: least resistance, you know, and now you you know, you

2103
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 4: screw it up. You just don't feel like doing all

2104
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,759
Speaker 4: the little things that you did when the threat vacation started.

2105
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 4: You get lazy, get sloppy, start to lose hope. But

2106
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 4: the last minute of the last day can be just

2107
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 4: as effective as the first minute of the first day. Yeah,

2108
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 4: you know what, I long as you keep that mindset,

2109
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 4: that's that's super important, because I find myself you know

2110
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 4: I have done that too. You know where you start

2111
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 4: to get discouraged and you start getting sloppy and you

2112
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 4: just do like, oh, I don't feel like it. I'm

2113
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 4: gonna look at my phone. I'm going to watch a

2114
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 4: football game. Well then you look up and the buck

2115
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 4: just walk through your shooting lane. You're like, oh gosh,

2116
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 4: dang it.

2117
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 2: You know we better win this game. Yeah. Yeah, It's

2118
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 2: one of those easier said than done things, but so important.

2119
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: I've been on the bad end of that deal a

2120
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 2: couple of times, and I've regretted it, that's for sure.

2121
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2122
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Speaker 2: Okay, last or maybe second to last question, but last

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Speaker 2: big question here, Bill. If if you had someone sitting

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Speaker 2: down for coffee with you this morning, and let's say

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01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 2: they're a pretty darn good hunter, like they've killed a

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Speaker 2: lot of deer. They've killed a lot of like three

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: year old bucks. Maybe they've killed a few four years.

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Speaker 2: They've killed a lot of three and four year old bucks.

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Speaker 2: But they're trying to take it to that next step

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01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: and they're going for you know, very mature bucks, maybe

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01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: after one specific buck. So it's that kind of hunter.

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Speaker 2: They're gung ho. They've got all the good gear, they've

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01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 2: listened to all the podcasts. This is like their lifestyle,

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01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 2: all right. That's the person you're talking to. And before

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01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 2: they walk away, before they leave that coffee shop, you're

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01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 2: going to write down three things on a napkin that

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01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 2: you're going to give them to help them take this

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01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 2: next step. You get to give them three final pieces

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01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 2: of winki wisdom for the upcoming five weeks. What would

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01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 2: you put on that napkin for this person to take

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Speaker 2: that next step.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've got to know that he's there. You can't

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Speaker 4: hunt a ghost, you know. I mean, there's nothing worse

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01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 4: than saying I'm gonna only shoot a big deer and

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01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 4: then not have any big deer around. So they've got

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01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 4: to know that whatever whatever their goal is, that it's attainable.

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Speaker 4: Because you don't want to make this sport unbearable. You know,

2148
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be fun, we're supposed to have success,

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01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 4: So it has to be a huntable deer. It's not

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01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 4: a huntable deer. Cross it off and move on, or

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 4: just be satisfied with what's in your area. So first off,

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01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 4: you know, he's got to be a huntable deer. And

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01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 4: then I think it's that ratcheting up being able to

2154
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 4: recognize risk versus reward, Like how much risk am I taking?

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01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 4: What's the likelihood of the buck that I'm hunting being

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01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 4: on his feet today? You know, because when you start

2157
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 4: taking risk, you're going to you're going to educate deer.

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01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 4: And if the upside isn't high enough, like the likelihood

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01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 4: of this buck being on his feet today isn't really high,

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01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 4: then the risk versus reward equations bad really good at

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01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 4: at understanding risk and reward and not unbalancing that thing,

2162
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 4: because if you're going to take the risk, you need

2163
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 4: to know that the chance of him being on his

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01:47:56,160 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 4: feet that day in that area where you're going is high.

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Speaker 4: I think being able to understand that because that way,

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01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 4: even if you don't have a lot of time, you know,

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01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 4: you can ramp up that risk versus reward side of it.

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01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 4: So that's just that's a super important skill. And then

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01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 4: I still think rule number one. The most important thing

2170
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 4: any of us can do is spend hour after hour

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01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 4: figuring out how to sneak in and out. I mean,

2172
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 4: it's that's where the game is won and lost. That's

2173
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 4: the that's the chess match that we play. It's not

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01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 4: really when you're on the stand, because usually we all

2175
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 4: know how to play the wind. You know, we can

2176
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 4: find stand locations that are you know that's set up well.

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Speaker 4: But gosh, I've just bumped so many deer coming and going.

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01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 4: You know, they don't necessarily, like I said, have to

2179
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 4: be your target. They can be any deer, you know,

2180
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 4: because now that that that body language just kind of

2181
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 4: works its way through the whole herd, and before you

2182
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 4: know it, everybody in that area, every deer in that

2183
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 4: area is more cautious and they're not moving naturally in daylight.

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01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 4: Those are those are the keys. I think. You know,

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01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 4: if you're going to kill a big deer, I think

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01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 4: if you do those three things well and then you

2187
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 4: have enough time, you know, you're eventually going to get

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01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 4: you more. You're going to have an opportunity. Yeah, and

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01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 4: some bucks just don't move much during the day, you know,

2190
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 4: they just aren't. I mean, some of the four and

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01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 4: five year old bucks I've hunted just weren't very daylight active.

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01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 4: So you just have to kind of get lucky too sometimes.

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01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 4: But that's uh. I've hutted some that were stupid. They

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01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 4: were awesome.

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01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are my favorites.

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01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 4: I loved it when the stupid ones big.

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01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:39,719
Speaker 2: They just don't come around often enough.

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01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 4: No, they sure don't.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 2: Uh Well, I hope that a couple of these deer

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Speaker 2: that year after. I hope they get dumb here soon

2202
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 2: and give you an opportunity. Where where can folks go

2203
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 2: to see what you got going on, to see your story,

2204
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 2: to to get more information from you, because you're putting

2205
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 2: out a lot of good stuff here. Where should folks

2206
01:49:59,160 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 2: find that?

2207
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 4: Just the Bill Winkie YouTube channel we try to have.

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01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 4: We try to be really current, you know, with what

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Speaker 4: we're doing and what we're talking about. We started producing

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01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 4: an episode every Wednesday now called the White Tail Watch,

2211
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 4: where maybe we look ahead to the coming weekend and

2212
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 4: look at the weather forecast because by Wednesday we kind

2213
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 4: of have an idea we know what the deer in

2214
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:24,599
Speaker 4: our area have been doing, so maybe we can start

2215
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 4: to project, you know, some behavior forward and coincide that

2216
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,839
Speaker 4: with the weather and then come up with a forward

2217
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 4: looking plan. I think that's kind of a cool series

2218
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 4: that we're doing. But yeah, the Bill Winki YouTube channel

2219
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 4: has got pretty much everything that we're doing now perfect.

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01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I certainly will vouch for that one.

2221
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 2: I've I've enjoyed everything you're putting up there and glad

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01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: to see you're back in the game because we were

2223
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 2: missing you there for a while. Though.

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01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,560
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it, Mark, and I'm looking forward to

2225
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 4: hearing you know, the story of how you kill this

2226
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 4: spear that you're after. I mean, it's it sounds like

2227
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 4: you got it figured out now. It's just a matter

2228
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 4: of time and getting a little lucky.

2229
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 2: It's going to be the drip, drip, drip. So we'll

2230
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 2: see if it happens here short, short term or a

2231
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 2: little bit later. But I think as long as the

2232
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 2: neighbor doesn't get a poke at him before I do,

2233
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 2: I think his days are probably numbered.

2234
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:17,679
Speaker 4: Yeah I do too.

2235
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks exciting, Yeah, it is well, Thank you, Bill.

2236
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: I always enjoy our chats. I appreciate taking time, especially

2237
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 2: at this busy time of year, So thank you and

2238
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,639
Speaker 2: good luck here in these coming days.

2239
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 4: All right, thanks Sam, to you Mark.

2240
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 2: All right, and that is going to do it for

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01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 2: us today. Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation with mister

2242
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 2: Bill Winky. I know I did. Me and Tony are

2243
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 2: hitting the field here shortly. We're gonna be chasing some

2244
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 2: rutting bucks ourselves, so we'll get back to here soon

2245
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 2: with some stories and some lessons learned from our hunts,

2246
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 2: and until then, best to luck out there and stay

2247
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 2: wired to hunt.