1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm Peanuts Homing and this is the NFL Player's second 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: act podcast. I got this guy, roomed the harbor with me, 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: got some tissues. He might be crying later on laugh cry, 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: He's smiling. He always is crying. So I'm just warning y'all. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Right now, if y'all see a tear drop out his eye, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: it ain't because he a gangster. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: It is not because I'm actually that's totally true. But anyways, 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: tell of our listeners. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: Wherever you've listened to us, follow us, whether it's watching 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: or listen. It's give us a five star rating. Get 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: that follow button. Give us a review. Wherever you listen 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: to your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, anywhere we're 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: still there, give us a like and follow now, Peanut, 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: I gotta be honest. Yeah, I'm really excited about our 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: next guest. He's become a really good friend of mine. Really, 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: I actually called it somewhat of a mentor because of 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: where he lives where I live. He's a great person, 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: even better football player. And uh he's got great he's 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: he's in a great place now. 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: I feel like in his life. 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, So let me let me read. Let 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: me read the bio real quick for your third third 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: round pick. I hate the third round pick. Two thousand 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: and one draft out of Utah. Uh dominant receiver when 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: he played in his era for sure Hall of Fame semifinalists, 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: now an analysts for NFL Media and the host of 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: cut to It podcast. 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, cut to it, cut to it. 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: Cut to it. Yeah, I can't say cut to it, 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: just cut to Okay. 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: Cut to it. You said it like you were reading it. 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: I had to. 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: As an FBI agent, you should be able to. 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: I just, I just I'm slow. 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 4: Public school, baby, public school, public school. 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: You had the better public school ladies, and Jim and 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: he already talked to Steve Smiths. 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: There you go, thank you. So I'm gonna get right 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: to it. 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: Was so before the show we was talking. We played, 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: y'all two thousand and five. 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you must have been sending seeing a few 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: of my clubs. 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: Let me let me get to it, let me get highlight. 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: No, it's so so. There was a play I think 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 2: maybe first second play the game. 48 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: It was the first first play of the game. 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: It was a TfL I got it. 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: Got him. 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, but. 52 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: I got it. 53 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: Let me kill you got your podcasts and you do 54 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: your thing. This is not Let me do my thing 55 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: real quick. 56 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: So first play the game. I got the tf L. 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you you have a chance for REBUTTAL 58 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: got the TfL. Was it was like a tackle for 59 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: loss or maybe a one yard game whatever. It was 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: like you correct the now pass we call so smoke. 61 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: This. 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was that same series. It 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: might have been the second series. So someone told me 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: it was like he it was a signal or whatever. 65 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: So I go, I try to make to play. You 66 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: run right by me, You run by Mike Brown, j 67 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: ju exkus hurt touchdown. So the next series, I'm mad 68 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: because I listened to somebody else. I didn't trust my instincts. 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: So me and you were battling down the field. Jake 70 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: Delone throves it up. 71 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Me and you. 72 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: We both go up. Two gladiators, two fierce competitors. 73 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: We both go up. 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: I have the ball in my hands. Chris Harris. Chris 75 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: Harris came out of nowhere, hits me. 76 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: He comes down with the ball. 77 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: I am so mad at Chris Harris. Serious, I'm Chris, 78 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: like I'm talking I'm talking to Chris Harris, like cash 79 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: to Chris Harris. And then I think later that night 80 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: he was like. 81 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: Now I'm telling you all right now. 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: He came down with it, but I came up with it, 83 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: and I was like immediately, not really mad at you, yeah, 84 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: more mad at Chris Harris because he was just so 85 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: out of control hit me with the friendly five. 86 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: Oh my god. If you go back to the replay, okay, 87 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: you did have it when you were coming down. I 88 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 4: was able to get a little bit, but it was 89 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 4: it was good. It was one of the interesting things. 90 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: Though, is I feel like you set me up. 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: No, I'm not one of the interesting things until I've 92 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: really started paying attention because I really don't watch my stuff. Yeh. 93 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 4: And because of some things that have happened, I've started 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: to go back and go, you know what, actually, let 95 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: me go evaluate myself, let me go see some of 96 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: my plays, and so some of these plays are coming up, 97 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 4: and so it's actually kind of it's been not like funny, 98 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: like a look at me, but it was like, oh man, 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: I forgot that happened. 100 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh I. 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: Didn't even remember this or you know, so it was 102 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: brought up, but it was more brought up on accident, 103 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: less about who look at me, flaxing and all that stuff. 104 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 4: And and like you said, I get a bad rap 105 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: a little bit of, you know, because I am a 106 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: pretty active conversator. 107 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: No, I got just the fierce competitor. 108 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: You know what. 109 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: The thing about Smitty that I love is that, you know, 110 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: living in Charlotte, I get to hear this guy on 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: the radio a lot. I think he's an amazing interviewer, 112 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: and I don't think he gets enough credit for that. 113 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: I think he's conscious with his words. You don't say 114 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: much that you don't mean that I think of trying to. Yeah, 115 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: I don't think you do. And so I think that's 116 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: where it all comes from. So I think now that 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: we get to see you outside of the mask, it's 118 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: been really cool to see you, get to know you 119 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: a little bit more and just maybe talk about your 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: own journey from when you first came in because you 121 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: said you don't like your resume. 122 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: So why is that? 123 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: And then maybe talking about your journey through that whole thing, 124 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: because you've been through a lot, from you know, injuries 125 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: in college, having your wife be there for you, the 126 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: whole support system, and now getting to it you now 127 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: outside of football, continue on your journey. 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: I mean it's been a lot in regardss of treasure, 129 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: just trying to figure out where to go, how to go, 130 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: how does things look? You know, the media space right 131 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: now is so former player current player driven in every sport, 132 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: right from football, basketball down the golf, and I think 133 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 4: it's remarkable and I think, you know, I think it's 134 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: where it is right now. It's kind of like n 135 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: I l it's kind of like the housing market a 136 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 4: couple of years ago, where it's doing so well, but 137 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: at some point or however it will reset, and how 138 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: in the way of resets, we're not really sure. And 139 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 4: so for me business wise, just looking through it, I 140 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: don't really feel comfortable and confident trying to keep up 141 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: with the bigger names, trying to keep up with some 142 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: of the conversation dialogue. For me, it's just more about 143 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 4: I'm very inquisitive about people, and then I'm also inquisitive. 144 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: I watch a lot of film and just kind of 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: sitting that air that area of just kind of evaluating 146 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: players and seeing what I like dislike, and then just 147 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 4: kind of talking about it and letting that live right 148 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: there and you know, people know in the past, there's 149 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: been the current and players that have strongly disagreed with 150 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: my opinion or my perspective. And I don't have a 151 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: problem with I really don't have a problem with it. 152 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: I just I think how things go about it. I 153 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: ran into a guy today at the airport here in Vegas. 154 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: I was talking to DeAndre Swift when he was with 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: Detroit and when they traded when he was traded uh 156 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: and then Detrop and when the Eagles traded for inside 157 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: Rashad Penny and DeAndre Swift. I made a statement. I 158 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: was like, hey, based off these two guys injuries, they 159 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: really only got one player because these guys are constantly injured. Yep. 160 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: And I know he heard it, and so I saw 161 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 4: him and I said, hey, man, I made a statement 162 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 4: about this, and I just wanted to let you know. 163 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: I said, because I'm you know, I'm a face to 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: face guy. If I'm wrong, I like to talk to 165 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: the people to face. And I said, man, you the 166 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 4: hell of a player, bro. And I made the statement 167 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: of you not you don't stay healthy, which prior to 168 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: this year he hadn't. Right. Yeah, that's what my Dada 169 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: information told me. But what he's done in Philly. How 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 4: you know, he's always been dynamic football player, correct when 171 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: he's on the field. And so I got the opportunity 172 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: just to share with him. I said, Man, I was wrong, 173 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: and you proved me wrong. I said, man, a way, 174 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: sometimes you run your routes and the way they used 175 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: your office. Man, sometimes you can you run better than 176 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: some of these receivers out here, right, which is not 177 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 4: you know, obviously not the tier ones, and you know, 178 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: the number one wide receivers with eighteen apuy or you know, 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: but a number three, number four wide receiver who they're 180 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: given it to the dre swill. He looked and he 181 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 4: was like wow. I said, man, I just want to 182 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 4: make sure you heard it. 183 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: From Yeah, he received it. 184 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: He received it. And I mean Orlando Brown when he 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 4: was coming out out of Oklahoma. He had a horrible, 186 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 4: horrible horror probably one. 187 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,359 Speaker 1: Of the worst of all time combines. 188 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: Yes, and I was there, you were I experienced it, right, 189 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 4: And I was a Jeff Sader, not Jeff Saturday, he's ESPN. 190 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: I was with on Chan hair, yeah, and China hair 191 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 4: and Charles Davis. Yeah, we're on set. 192 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, he was supposed to be one 193 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: of the tops. 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, and was horrific. Right, So talk to him in Baltimore. 195 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: I think it rookie year year because I was there 196 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: for Thursday night. Said something to him and man, he 197 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 4: was like, why'd you do that? Because I'm so I 198 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: am critical? Yeah, because this is also a critical This 199 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 4: is a business where critique and been critical. It's a 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: difference between you lasting and not lasting. And so you know, 201 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 4: so for me, I've always kind of sat in that 202 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 4: that place. I'm not the tallest. People say I have 203 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: a chip on my shoulder. You don't have a chip 204 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: on my shoulder. I really don't. Here's why when I 205 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 4: say I don't have a chip on my shoulder, Okay, 206 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 4: I have been playing football long enough, and my stature 207 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: where I've heard people talk about my game or my 208 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: stature as if I wasn't in the room, And so 209 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: it's not a chip. I actually remember what they said. 210 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: So it's not I have a triple on my shoulder. 211 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: Want to prove them wrong. It's actually I heard you 212 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: say a player like you will never get beyond high school, 213 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: or a player like you will never last because you're 214 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: a hot head, or you're this or you're that. So 215 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: for me, I'm just I am just repeating things that 216 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 4: some of these people told me. When I was a kid, 217 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 4: I was doing I wasn't doing greade in school and 218 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: a family member my mom was scolding me and was 219 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: telling me, hey, you need to shape up. Remember what 220 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: you want to do. And someone told the family member 221 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 4: there and I don't want to say who it was 222 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: because I don't want to do that to them. And 223 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: I remember it. 224 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: I was in there. 225 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: I was in the tenth grade or eleventh grade, and 226 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: I was messing up. My mom was trying to get 227 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 4: me back on pace. Yeah, and at the time we 228 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: were out of the house because not my dad, but 229 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 4: her husband at the time was abusing our So we 230 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: were flaying the domestic violence situation. Yeah, And so my 231 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: attention and focus was lax. And the individual said, after 232 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 4: they heard what my mom would say, interrupted say, you 233 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 4: need to have a more realistic go. I was in 234 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 4: the eleventh grade and their family member interrupted and said, you 235 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: need to have a more realistic go. That's that with you, Uh, 236 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: that's sad with me. 237 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: Clearly you remember it. 238 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: It didn't sit with me, and like, oh, I'm a 239 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 4: prove you wrong. And it was the most defeating thing 240 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: that I heard from a family mamber that you can hear, Yeah, 241 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 4: because that family member was like everybody else who was 242 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 4: not encouraging me. And you're supposed to be a courage 243 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: at least by family, right. Yeah. Like I'm not talking 244 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: about the outside of people, but the people who's most 245 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: who you know, help raise you, who could whoop your butt. Yeah, 246 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,239 Speaker 4: and so it just those are the things that I experienced. 247 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: On top of the reason where we were at that 248 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: time was based on the situation with the domestic virus. 249 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 4: And so now I'm already kicked. Now you come off 250 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: the top rope, bow right in the ribs, and so 251 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: like I experienced so much of that so early on 252 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: as a young man, I struggled to handle at aboys 253 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: for a very long time. Yeah, Like I would not 254 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: sit still for you to give me an addibley. I 255 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: never received it because I was always waiting for the 256 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: But so for me, that's why, like I still struggle 257 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 4: ye with with with the with the accolades, I'm like, h. 258 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: M hm, you know what, this is a great time 259 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: because my man Peanut right here. 260 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: He told he so I was like you he he 261 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: had he's we had Brandon Marshall on. Well, first off, 262 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: let me just say thanks for sharing that was Yeah, 263 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I didn't either, So me, like 264 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: you not a similar situation, similar in the sense of 265 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: like accolades, Like I just didn't receive him. 266 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I kind of downplay. 267 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: Yes, So Brandon Marshall was on and me and Brandon 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: had beef when he was in Chicago. 269 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: That's that's shocking and surprising. So I'm taking back by that. 270 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: Statement brand it came on the show, it was like 271 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: it was like it was just like all love. We've 272 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: grown now, you know what I'm saying. Somebody trying to 273 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: fight or that, you know it was it was all love. 274 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: And he was just like, man, I gotta say, like 275 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: you out of I went to Denver, I went to Miami, 276 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: went Jets, who was like, you were by far the 277 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: greatest received or dB that I want to get some practice, 278 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: like you got me better and you and I was 279 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: just like, damn, I had zero clue and looking at it, 280 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: looking at Rome and I was like, we had said 281 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: something earlier. And I looked at Rome and I looked 282 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: at Brandon was like, hey, man, I received that, and 283 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: then Rome was like, see, that's. 284 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: What I'm talking about. 285 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: I've been telling you receiving it more so, I'm recently 286 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: like you just I'm starting to receive the compliments and 287 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: my blessings more so. I just say, hey, man, kudos 288 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: of you, and just open up that art and just 289 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: keep receiving them. 290 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: I like it. 291 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: That's dope, that's dope. 292 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: I do. 293 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Got to know the question though, so with you saying 294 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: all these things, do you feel like you I mean you, 295 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: you are Steve Smith senior. You were like one of 296 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: the greatest receivers in the era when we played right, 297 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: you got all the accolades, you got the Pro Bowls, 298 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: you got the Pro the All Pros. Do you feel 299 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: that you have a platform to say these things about 300 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: these players because you are a former player. You weren't 301 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: him at the time. You're not just Steve Smith, the 302 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: NFL network analyst who hasn't never played, who's just a 303 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: you know, a high school journalist or excuse me, a 304 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: college guy with a degree in journalism, like you're him. 305 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: You have all the accolades to go with your resume, 306 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So, in my opinion, I 307 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: feel like we former players like we can get down 308 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: and dirty and talk about a player and not disrespect 309 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: them when we speak, but we can kind of just 310 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: be honest about their style of play. Do you feel 311 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: like you earned that right? 312 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 4: That's a fantastic question, because I don't believe I've shot 313 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: down and thought about have our own right. I don't 314 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: really operate in that earn the right kind of you know, 315 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 4: you know, I just kind of I let the film 316 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: tell me. So, you know, some people don't like what 317 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 4: I have to say about the film, and I've learned 318 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 4: too a lot there are more because of the way 319 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 4: the media is going and YouTube and all that stuff. 320 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a lot of non players 321 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: who have who have an opinion and they feel that 322 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: they can articulate it better than the former player, that 323 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: it just maybe sounds better, no doubt, right, And so 324 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 4: I always find it. I say, look, a lot of 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: the non players got a lot of great things to say, 326 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: as if they know more than the players. But I 327 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 4: would say there are players that I've worked with in 328 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 4: the past, not on my current job, because you know, 329 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: I've played with players who other receivers who can't recoverage us. 330 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 4: I've played with quarterbacks who can't recoverage US, who have 331 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: never identified the mike linebacker in a pre snot. Yeah, 332 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: I've played with lineman who you know, can't read a 333 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: bull rush like I play with tight end. So there's 334 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: a lot of different things. So not every football player 335 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: or player has the ability to play. There's a lot 336 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: of things you and we all know. There's a lot 337 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: of players who who can be hid in systems. Yeah. 338 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 4: So for me, what I try to now where I 339 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: live and I'm comfortable is I just let the film 340 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 4: tell me. And if you don't like what I say 341 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: about the film, I'm not really sure what I can tell. 342 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: I've always respected us more though, because we played the 343 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: game and we know what that situation is like. 344 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah versus. But I've learned too that there's some players 345 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 4: that you play with who cannot riff reading is fundamental, 346 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: who can't recoverage this, who don't know why. And I 347 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: think that's what separated. When I played at Utah man 348 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: we played a white Utah is not to Utah. Today 349 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 4: we played at Wyoming, we played air Force, we played 350 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 4: Colorado State, you know, and what I mean by these 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 4: these are teams who had one or two players, one 352 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: or two athletes and the rest word scheme and zone. 353 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 354 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: I remember playing air Force, who played air Force, and 355 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 4: they said, look, we're gonna have a few trick plays. 356 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 4: But understand when we have these trick plays, they air Force, 357 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: you only can trick them once. 358 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're all doing They're. 359 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: Going to stay in line. They're disciplined, they're disciplined, so 360 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: we got to do it perfect. If you go back 361 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 4: and look at an air Force game or Navy game, 362 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: there are very few penalties, some of them damn near zero. Yeah. 363 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: From that the servicemen's team right, right, So it's so 364 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 4: that's so for me, I'm okay with you know, I 365 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 4: just watch enough film. I feel comfortable, I feel confident, 366 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 4: and I'm constantly watching film. But when I'm watching a film, 367 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: I'm looking at the small details. How a guy gets 368 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 4: off the line of scrimmage? What is his release, where's 369 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: his head? Where's his eyes? Is he catching the ball? 370 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 4: Looking over? There? Is his body catching? Right? I got 371 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: in trouble going on club because I said some guys 372 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: aren't pure hands catching, and then they got mad and 373 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 4: then to draw some passes with the ma hands have 374 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: I drapped passes, absolutely, but also because I draw passes, 375 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 4: know why sometimes guys draw passes right, And so that's 376 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: what I try to go through, That's what I try 377 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: to focus on. 378 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: So so, first of all, I love your honesty. You 379 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: know that about me and you relationship. And I want 380 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: to know this though, because I hear this on the 381 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: radio a lot, especially in Charlotte, is that you not 382 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: being in the hall of fame? Short sighted people in 383 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: Carolina are mad. They don't do all that. You got 384 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: the accolades, you got the numbers, but they let other 385 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: people in front of you. 386 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: Is that another part of your story? Well, how do 387 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: you take it personally? Knowing who you are? 388 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: And I know because you don't discuss it, So how 389 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: does that go about in the household and stive Smith 390 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: inside of him? 391 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: I don't discuss it because it is kind of nothing 392 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: to discuss because you don't question God's tom true. A 393 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 4: couple of years ago, if I would have win it 394 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 4: in its hall of fame, I probably wouldn't look at 395 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 4: it for what it is. Out about time and you 396 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: know you act the way you see That's why they 397 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: can't get him nothing because they don't know how to act, 398 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 4: you know. For me now like as it as it goes, 399 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: all right, when it happens, it happens. But I'm also 400 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 4: happy for the guys and a group of guys that 401 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: I'm I get to be semi finals. The biggest thing 402 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: that for me that I kind of like, wow, I 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: can't even make a finalist in regards to the voting 404 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: is some of the players who are in there, we're 405 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 4: all kind of the same, so you know, let us 406 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 4: all be disappointed together. Yeah, and I haven't got that. 407 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: But other than that, that's it. I don't believe that 408 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 4: this guy is in and he's a turnball and I'm 409 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: the best. I don't believe that toy hold. I believe 410 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: that he deserves to be in. Yep. This is also 411 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 4: a guy that I respect and like, admire and watched 412 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: and consider a big brother. 413 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: So my rookie year, I think it was like one 414 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: of the last games of the season. This was Moss 415 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: was in his prime on the ten yard line, goal 416 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: line whatever, and Dante cole Pepper throws it up Me 417 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 2: and Moss and the end zone similar you and I 418 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: that that playoff game, I come down with it, right. 419 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 4: So that was that was kind of like, it's not 420 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: the same thing. 421 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: I'm just it was. It was the same. It was 422 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: the same, it was the same thing. It's Chris. 423 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: It's all Chris Harris. It's all Chris Harris. 424 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Chris Harris. 425 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: If you're watching this, screw you, dude. 426 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 4: Man. I love Chris Harris. Bro he was so smart, 427 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: slow as heines ketchup. But bro, he gets always he just. 428 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: Hit the wrong person. 429 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: He just hit the wrong person. 430 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: Question. 431 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm out of question from now because 432 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: I really needed that pick on that particular play. But 433 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 2: that was like a play that kind of made me 434 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: my rookie, right, Yeah, so that kind of is that's 435 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: the play that put me on the map. With with 436 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: all the plays, with all your catches, with all your touchdowns, receptions, 437 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: everything you've done, the yack after the catch, what's the 438 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: play for you that makes you Steve Smith. 439 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: It's a fantastic question for me. It has to be. Uh, 440 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 4: it's the stiff arm. It's the yak. 441 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Is there a specific stiff arm or specific play you 442 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: got the yack on or what? 443 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: It's just the stiff arm because it was my you know, 444 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: I'm five none, Yeah, and I was always about right, 445 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: you know. Me and Roman had some great battles, but 446 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: it was always any even other guys, it was always 447 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 4: I always had to remind people, you know, I can 448 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 4: hit you too, and I think a lot of definders 449 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 4: forgot that. 450 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. 451 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: And so for me it was a stiff arm because 452 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 4: I'm a received on post catch ball. But a lot 453 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: of times when I caught the ball, it was I 454 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: was squaring up to be able to see where I'm going. 455 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: Thank you that step on. Yeah, And so that's that's 456 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 4: the part that now really I just enjoyed. 457 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: All right, Well, since you brought it up, let's go 458 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 3: to it. So two thousand and ten or eleven, Yeah, 459 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 3: I got a flag, I hit you a little late. 460 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the end zone, you score a touchdown, Number one. 461 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 2: Hilarious play. 462 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, first of all, Jabari. 463 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Greer, she made a fantastic catch. 464 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: Stiff armed him in the air. 465 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: Coming caught it, got him off you. Yeah, I was 466 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: coming Greg all across the field. I run across you know. 467 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: Number one. 468 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: What was your first reaction when I hit you? Because 469 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: you crossed the goal line? 470 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 4: Like, well, you remember me and Sean used to go 471 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 4: at it. 472 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: Seal to anybody. Thing was don't talk to Steve Smith. 473 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: And Sean get at the time. Sean would talk to me, yeah, 474 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 4: and I was like, and like I would. We literally 475 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: would be yelling at each other. He'd be like, we're 476 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 4: gonna do you like shout this dude is terrible today 477 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: and he f you, Steve f you back right. And 478 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: so when I did, I was like, this is a trap. 479 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: They're trying to get me kicked out of the game 480 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: for a penalty, so I'm not going to fall forward. 481 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: You didn't. 482 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: I was totally surprised. Yes, I hit you, and I 483 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: stood there because I'm like, he's gonna fight. 484 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 4: Me, and I was saying to myself, and you did. 485 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: You just looked at me. We made that contact. 486 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 4: Then when everybody came and they started fighting, I said, oh, 487 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 4: hell but and so what I thought I think I 488 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 4: said on my podcast, but I thought he well, I 489 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 4: thought he hit me late was because around that time 490 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: it was right around Halloween. Yes, and he took his 491 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: helmet off and I asked him. I was like, bro, 492 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 4: you still have gray hair? How And he gave me 493 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: a look and Villmo was like, that's his hair. But 494 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: I never knew that I say, I thought it was 495 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: like a leftover from a Halloween costume. Now some people say, 496 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 4: what Halloween costume? Bro, Halloween costumes. You never know, he 497 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 4: could have been a black Adams family member. I don't know. 498 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: I'm just going with I was like Halloween bah, but 499 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: because I usue a Halloween party and that's what I 500 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: thought that. So no, no, this this one was in October. 501 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: It was funny because he said something to Villma and 502 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 3: thought it was funny himself, and then I hit him 503 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: like to places later. Yeah, and he thought it was 504 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: because of that. And I had no idea until we 505 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: discussed this and me and Hi would become friends and 506 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: we had talked. We'd actually never talked about this player 507 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 3: whatever happened before until I came to your podcast to 508 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 3: cut to a podcast. You guys should check it out. 509 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: It's pretty good on YouTube, talk about all kinds of things, 510 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: including draft updates going on. He really does a really 511 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: great job with that. So it was it was funny 512 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: for me. I was just like, I just ran too far, 513 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: and I was just like kid, I didn't run over 514 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: here for nothing, So I just hit him. 515 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: He should be he should do stuff he like he 516 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 4: didn't want you to shell it. Brain. 517 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 3: I never let anybody say he would do it, and 518 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: I was like he saw he was like because like 519 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: I hate when receivers getting like a five yard game 520 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: then get up in like first down, and I would like, 521 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: but here's a problem. 522 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: I would go out of my way to not let him. 523 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: But here's a problem. It wasn't like five yard games. 524 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: It was like. 525 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: Run run, third down. Who they throwing it two? Yeah, okay, 526 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: thirty fifteen so it wasn't a five And I would 527 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: stand over him, hold him down. He would like hit 528 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: my hands, yeah, like or like you know, for me, 529 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: I was spinding and he like hit the ball or 530 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: try to hit the ball out of my hand before 531 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: I could spend. 532 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: He was. 533 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: It was The tactic was remarkable. I don't know. 534 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: One of my favorite celebrations you did. It might have 535 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: been when you played US is when you wipe the baby. 536 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: No, that was against them. 537 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: That was against Yeah. To me, that's my all time 538 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: that's my all time favorites. Changes that like, that was 539 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: that's one of my all time favorites. 540 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: But with you guys, you remember you don't have to 541 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 4: talk about us. 542 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: It's cool. 543 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: No Chicago yeah, that's what I'm saying. I do about 544 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: Chicago actually, because the first game I had put up 545 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: like one hundred and fifty hundred and seventy yards and 546 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: y'all y'all talked about was Alex Brown, Lance Bridge all 547 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: y'all talked about. Y'all kept me out of the end zone, 548 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 4: and y'all had vashers. Yeah, y'all had Nate Vashon, y'all 549 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: in zone coverage. That's all y'all talked about. And then 550 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: you know, we got into town and so for the 551 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: next game. 552 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, this is you' talk about the 553 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: playoff game. 554 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 4: The playoff game. It's like, how you gonna celebrate a 555 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: five nine receiver getting you know, thirty yards away from 556 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: two hundred. Yeah, like that's not a good accomplishment. And 557 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: so I went back and I just watched all the 558 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: films like, man, I'm gonna get these boys and so 559 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 4: on that play. We it wasn't a hand signal. We 560 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: never changed the play. 561 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: So that was the bad insl Hey Zoom Zoom told 562 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: me he was like Peter, who did Jerry Zuma was 563 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: on the sideline, he was our nickel. So Jerry was like, 564 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: I hate they're doing whatever signal. He was like, Peter, 565 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a you call it smoke. He 566 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: was like, it's a smoke. Pass is a smoke. So 567 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: that's why I believed it. 568 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 4: Like the play, you were sitting I use caddywompus. You 569 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: were kind of sitting, yeah, stagnant. It was a hunt 570 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: Street circle, hitch under streak, right, bro, I just ran 571 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: to go. Jake didn't know. I just ran it. I 572 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm running this go. This ain't bad. 573 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: Instead zoom. You can't wait to call him Jesus completely 574 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: just made it up. 575 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 4: You just went yes. But chemistry is and Jake knew, 576 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: like when I was running, if I was gonna break down, 577 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: like you knew, Yeah, I had no intentions. I looked. 578 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: I was like, hey, receivers, while we trash talks, dude, 579 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: we get out a lot of times. Just sitting out 580 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 4: on the island, you think of a lot of great things. 581 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: And I was and I saw I'm lined up and 582 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: I'm lined up and I'm looking he's going through his cadence. 583 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 4: He ain't moving. No, I was bleaching. 584 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 5: I was like, I'm just and I knew I messed 585 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: up because as I sick my first two steps. 586 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, I pushed them when I want when 587 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 4: I went back the pastor, I pushed him so to 588 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: make sure to get a little bit if you get 589 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 4: the jump, that if the ball is late. So when 590 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: I ran past it, I literally just pushed him. 591 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: I was like, no, I turned around as quick as 592 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: I could, grab med Zoom the whole time I'm tasting you. 593 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: I'm mad at Zoom'm like he'd want to start mother. 594 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 4: Why did I? Oh, please Mike Brown, please title? 595 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: Oh god, dang it, Mike bro Oh oh this is bad. 596 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: Oh god, this is bad. He's celebrating. Oh they're playing 597 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: the music. Oh god, yep, this is bad. That's me, 598 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: son of a biscuit. 599 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 4: Yep. 600 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's amazing. 601 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 3: Number One that you brought up the fact of something 602 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: I never thought about is as a receiver, how much 603 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 3: free time you guys got out there when you're not 604 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 3: getting the ball, The things that come across your mind. 605 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: What's probably the craziest thing or the most I mean 606 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: non football thing you thought about. 607 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 4: For me is a lot of things. 608 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: I will tell you what taking the Super Bowl thirty eight, 609 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: what was the most you thought about in that Super 610 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: Bowl thirty eight game, if there was something that you 611 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: could have done to change the outcome of that game, 612 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: what would have been? 613 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 4: Man, it was that game happened so fast, right, I 614 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 4: don't even I could tell you. I don't remember that, Okay, 615 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 4: it was it happened so fast things were happening about. 616 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: A regular game. 617 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 4: I want to know. 618 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 3: I've never thought about that, and that's never crossed my mind. 619 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 4: Nobody regular games. I would. I'm such a thinker like 620 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: I would, Man, what I gotta do this week? You know, 621 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 4: sometimes we weren't very good. Well, my off season gonna 622 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: be like I did a few internships, so, you know, 623 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 4: trying to do that stocks I was. I'm in the 624 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 4: stocks stocks. I love cooking, so thinking about cooking or like, yeah, 625 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 4: where we're going to eat? Uh. One of the things too, 626 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: that I would think about a lot, which led me 627 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 4: to hire a sports psychologist before it was the end. 628 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 4: Thing is uh. There were a few times when I 629 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: played I asked myself and told myself for like, I 630 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 4: had an internal conversation. I don't know if I can 631 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 4: keep this up. I'm not sure if I can keep 632 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 4: up this pace of playing this way, right, so there's 633 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 4: a few times where I had a lot of negative 634 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 4: thoughts about myself while playing. 635 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: While playing, I think that's normal, though. 636 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that's normal at all, Thank you. I 637 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: don't think that's normal. I think it's normal that that 638 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: you go back and forth with it. 639 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 4: And I'm talking about I don't even really thought I 640 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 4: was gonna make it, uh like six or seven years 641 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 4: in the league, Like I did not believe I was. 642 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna last up what thirteen, sixteen, sixteen, Come on, man, seasons. 643 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was that was. 644 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: I'm captain. I like to call myself Captain Petty. So 645 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: we played in Baltimore. 646 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: This was amazing. 647 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we played. 648 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: He didn't talk to anybody before the game except me. 649 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: I didn't talk at all. 650 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: Did players come up to you? 651 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: What wasn't talk to Nobody was talking anybody? He was 652 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: so he was like mister angry. I was there. He 653 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: came up and talked to me. 654 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: I thought it was like, oh well, and everybody looked 655 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 3: at me like, oh, why is he talking to you? 656 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 4: I'm like, I thought some stuff and some stuff, yes, 657 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: how would how it happened? It was so much. I 658 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 4: was like, and uh, I'm not gonna say who on 659 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 4: the team. But someone told me, like they had the 660 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: team meeting, and Ron Rivera was like, you know, Steve, 661 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 4: you know how he's gonna be, and so let's just 662 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 4: be prepared, you know. And it's kind you know how 663 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: it is when you're on the team, you're liked by 664 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 4: the coach, and then when you're off the team all 665 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 4: the things, how they truly feel about you. And so 666 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, And so I just had in 667 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 4: my mind, I'm not gonna say nothing, because I normally 668 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 4: if I say I'm not gonna say a thing, that 669 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 4: means at some point I would say something. Bro, I 670 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 4: just say nothing. Like I walked out of there. I 671 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm I'm not gonna talk. 672 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: He had nothing to say to that. 673 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 4: Nobody like and. 674 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: What was the performance? 675 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: What was the outcome? 676 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 4: Well, on the first play, which I love Baltimore at 677 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 4: that hardball is all about team and players, and and 678 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 4: he was like, man, we're gonna feed you. I was like, cool. Bet. 679 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 4: So we ran a traditional Kyle Shanahan slash Gary Kobiak 680 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 4: offense play action with the drag and so I had 681 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 4: to drag route flat and Roamas right there and I 682 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 4: was running and I caught the ball rumors right there. 683 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 4: But what I did is I slowed down and looked 684 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 4: at him and stiff arm he did. I like, I 685 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 4: wanted to Steve arm Roman and so I called it 686 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 4: pow and then took off and I was like, all right, 687 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 4: I'm good. 688 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: He ate that day though, and he ain't on everybody 689 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 3: else but me besides that play. And so I'm so 690 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 3: happy for him, especially seeing what Steve has done. And 691 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: I like to give you a flowers now, and this 692 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 3: this opportunity to talk about what I think that you 693 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: do the best, which is serve your community Charlotte with 694 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 3: your foundation, because you maybe tell us about that how 695 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 3: long it's been going on and how much you have 696 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 3: really changed and done. You got your own office space, 697 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: like it's huge in the city of Charlotte. For everything 698 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: that you've been able to do and accomplish with your foundation. 699 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 4: Thank you. It's the Steve Smith Family Foundation. We just 700 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 4: hit our eleventh year last year and rebranding ourselves just 701 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 4: because I started a foundation. I just remember based on 702 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 4: our when we first started the foundation, it was really 703 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 4: about serving the community in areas that I know which 704 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 4: is underserved. And so what we did and how it started. 705 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 4: We were giving kids opportunity to go to camps, and 706 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 4: we were doing our partnered with Samaritan Feet Mann your 707 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 4: homemade washing feet. So did a lot of different things, 708 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 4: and then we started really hone in and focus on 709 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 4: some things in the pandemic. I caught when that they 710 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 4: were given all these underprivileged public school kids laptops and 711 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 4: saying you're good, they had nowhere for them to go. 712 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 4: And so we took it upon our shelves the foundation. 713 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 4: We said, hey, less kind of like cultivate academy. And 714 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 4: so what we did is we found a office space 715 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 4: where they can also social distance, and we took I 716 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 4: think we took about one hundred one hundred and something 717 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 4: students that are public school because a lot of the kids, 718 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 4: but the kids that we target and focused on were 719 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 4: kids who were considered homelessness homelessness and Charlotte and the 720 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 4: criteria would be living in a hotel, shelter, living with 721 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 4: a family member, or out of a car. And so 722 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 4: in the shelters in COVID, a lot of times those 723 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 4: kids slept in a shelter, but they went to school. 724 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 4: Most shelters don't allow children to be in a shelter, 725 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 4: so it was a unique situation for everyone. Obviously, COVID 726 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 4: was for everything, and so we took homeless kids who 727 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 4: couldn't be in shelters, and then we partnered up and 728 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 4: I kind of called them out, was CMS in Charlotte, 729 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 4: and so they bust these kids. And our building that 730 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 4: we were running out was also a drop center where 731 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 4: they can give these kids their lunches and breakfast. So 732 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 4: they got breakfast, lunch. And then I partnered with some 733 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 4: local organizations, some local companies, some local restaurants, and we 734 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 4: would do Freedom Friday, and Freedom Friday was a local 735 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 4: business come in and feed these kids, yeah, a meal 736 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 4: or restaurants and man, it was dope. And we did 737 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 4: that for those seventeen eighteen months. And then I hired 738 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 4: and I figured out the teachers assistants didn't have jobs. 739 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 4: So I figured out how much the teacher assistants were 740 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 4: getting paid. I said, all right, whatever the teacher assistance 741 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 4: I know, but I'm not going to say the number. 742 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 4: Whatever they were getting paid, I was like, all right, 743 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 4: throw five hours on there and see if they'll come 744 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 4: work for us. So they took it, jumped on it 745 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 4: because it was dire straits. Yeah, and so I was like, 746 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 4: all right, so this is what they're making, Let's make 747 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 4: it worth their while. Let's actually when they worked for me. 748 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 4: Let's upgrade them. And so that's what we did. And 749 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 4: then we started to realize the social emotional part of it. 750 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 4: And then our medical clinic that we already had operating 751 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 4: and running that was a free clinic. We started to 752 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 4: see the medical part was just okay. We had at 753 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 4: the time six thousand patients and seventy five percent of 754 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 4: our patients we're seeking mental health. I think in the 755 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 4: first six months we had nineteen hundred clinical hours just 756 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 4: dedicated to mental health. And so we started to realize 757 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 4: that focus on mental health. Yeah, and so we started 758 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,439 Speaker 4: doing mental health, start talking to the county and they said, hey, man, 759 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 4: can you take what you guys doing and mental health? 760 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 4: Can you do it and make it its own? So 761 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 4: I met with a counselman, Anthony Troutman, and my good 762 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 4: buddy who at the time Rocky, and we started sitting 763 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 4: down and we had a meeting and they said, hey, 764 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 4: what does your clinic do? I said, all right, our 765 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 4: clinic does this. He said, well, can you do a 766 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 4: mental health I said sure. So we did that. But 767 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 4: I was like, hold on, this got to be a 768 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 4: standalone and so random numbers. And because I'm heavily involved 769 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 4: random numbers, I said, all right, for us to do 770 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 4: it this, how much is gonna cost? Stand alone? He 771 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 4: said all right? And so in the draft in Cleveland 772 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 4: when I was working there, my team set up a 773 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 4: meeting and Cleveland has that mental health facility. So I 774 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 4: went there and visited them and try to figure out 775 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 4: how to do it. And it's a psychiatric ward. So 776 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 4: we did it and built it, and we opened up 777 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 4: the Steve Smith Family Foundation b HUCK operated by Daymark 778 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 4: interviewed about five or six medical providers. Yeah, and open 779 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 4: up a b huck. And the b huck is behavioral 780 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 4: health urgent care twenty four hours, three hundred and sixty 781 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 4: five days, and you come in, if you get assessment, 782 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 4: come in, and something happens going there. And so that's 783 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 4: what we did. And so we have a we have 784 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 4: a clinic that operates, and then we have a mental 785 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 4: health facility. And primarily a lot of the people are unasured. 786 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 4: And so now we're in talks of doing some other 787 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 4: stuff as well, but we serve in a mental health capacity. 788 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 4: We serve as young as four, as old as seventy five. 789 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 4: And so since we've been open since last March, we've 790 00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 4: avoided almost a thousand er emergency. So that's what we do. 791 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: I love that. That's why I wanted you to talk 792 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: about that. I knew that. I didn't know. I had 793 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: no clue. 794 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 3: I know how involved he's been in how much is 795 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 3: his foundation has made an impact in that community, and 796 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 3: all the things you're doing. 797 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 798 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, really good. 799 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 4: I want to make sure I appreciate that we got 800 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 4: a brick and mortar. Yeah. 801 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: Sure. 802 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: And the cool part about it is all of our 803 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 4: programs we do, we have the three p's and so 804 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 4: it's it's part you're either part of the program, your partner, 805 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 4: or you're a person. We're going to highlight and all 806 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 4: of our all of our places that we operate out of, 807 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 4: the Foundation owns it. I don't believe in these people 808 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 4: are giving their money. I don't believe in renting waste 809 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 4: the money. So our be up our facility. We own 810 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 4: a brick and mortar. It's about twelve thousand s gread feet. 811 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 4: We own that, our medical clinic, we own that out 812 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 4: right as well, looking and expanding that as well the 813 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 4: next couple of years and doing that. But I believe 814 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 4: in ownership. 815 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: I think that's dope. That's stuff. 816 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: H So I got I gotta. I got a Baltimore 817 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: question for you real quick. So you're you know, one 818 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 2: of your last years in Baltimore, you tore your achilles 819 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 2: double rupture, double rupture? 820 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: How you do how you do that? 821 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 4: Tore it off the heel and in the middle. 822 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: So double rupture to your achilles. Why was it important 823 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 2: for you to come back. 824 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 4: One more season? It actually wasn't. 825 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: Okay talk about that? 826 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 4: Tell me I was set to retire. What was crazy 827 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 4: is that throughout that year, started in May, I was 828 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 4: getting this like burning sensation back of my heel. They're like, oh, 829 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 4: it's just arthritis. And found out I actually slightly tore 830 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 4: it then. And so when I tore it, doctor and 831 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 4: repaired it, and he was like, hey man, this thing 832 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 4: is funky in there. And after he did search it, 833 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 4: I said, what do you mean? He said it was 834 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 4: upside down and it had fresh car tissue. So I 835 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 4: tore it off the bone. Here and then in the middle, 836 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 4: so he had to They had to cut it open, 837 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 4: take my Achilles tenant and drill it with a nail 838 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 4: back into my heel and then sew it up. And 839 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 4: so I was like, oh, okay, that's different. And my 840 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 4: agent took my right up when I was coming out 841 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 4: of college, Steve Smith, number seven from Utah, and he 842 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 4: mailed it to me and said, you don't have to 843 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 4: come back, but if you are, you remember you're not 844 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 4: supposed to be here this long. And he mailed it 845 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 4: to me and I read everything, all the lines and 846 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 4: a write up from the draft. It's a collaboration or 847 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 4: a culmination of all the scouts and teams, and they 848 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 4: just put on there like, you know, inconsistent. I remember 849 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 4: reading on there it said I had a fourth year 850 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 4: but not a third year. 851 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 852 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 4: I don't thank you? So doesn't run the same route twice, 853 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 4: small frame, injury prone and in college I broke my neck. 854 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 4: I did see four busht fracture. So just all of 855 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 4: that stuff, and so I was like wow, And so man, 856 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 4: he knew me. I had the same agent my whole time, 857 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 4: so he knew me. He knew what I needed. Yeah, 858 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 4: and so when he sent that got the work. That's 859 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 4: what's up. That's what's up. 860 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 2: So amazing career. 861 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 4: I think you got an amazing life. You got a 862 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 4: great story. 863 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 2: Thank you. Clearly you didn't do it all yourself. You've 864 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 2: had people help you, multiple millions millions. You've definitely had 865 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 2: some people help you along the way. If you could 866 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 2: only pick four on your mount rushmore of greatness of 867 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 2: people that you look up to mentors, who would those 868 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 2: people be? 869 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 4: Well, it has to be my wife with their patients. 870 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 4: I could be a handful. When I played, I was 871 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 4: it was around the house. The family walked in a 872 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 4: lot of eggs shells because of my emotional immaturity, my 873 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 4: ability to really know and understand why I'm feeling the 874 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 4: way I was feeling or how so they my family 875 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 4: really struggled But why is that always man? What's wrong 876 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 4: with dad? And so they struggle with that. And so 877 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 4: now today for me, I got four kids twenty six, 878 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 4: twenty two, eighteen and nine. My nine year old says 879 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 4: things to me that my twenty six year old was like, 880 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 4: were wow, lost all our fronts talking to you that way? 881 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 4: So I would say, my wife and my kids, right 882 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 4: on there because they knew me. Yeah, you know there 883 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 4: around me. Uh man. I remember my wife when I 884 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 4: broke my neck in college and we were just engaged. Man. 885 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,919 Speaker 4: There were times where I couldn't even I couldn't reach, 886 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 4: and she helped me. I couldn't wash my back right, 887 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 4: and I was and this was I wasn't in the league, 888 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 4: and it wasn't looking like I was going to the 889 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 4: league either, because I was in the harness. In that harness. 890 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 4: So my wife and my kids. Another guy is Fred Rays. 891 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 4: He's my wife receivers coaching college. He recruited me to 892 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 4: University of Utah. He's a father figure to me to 893 00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 4: this day. We still talk. So he's there. Mhmm. You 894 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 4: got too, I know because if you you know how 895 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 4: it is in the black community, if you leave one out, 896 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 4: the wrong one could be calling me right now, man, 897 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 4: mm hmm. My grandmother, yeah, both my grandmothers and Betty, 898 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 4: but my Betty Smith, my dad's mom. She taught me 899 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 4: how to cook, She taught me how to feed myself. 900 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 4: And I would say, my mom, we haven't always had 901 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 4: a great relationship. My mom was not very loving. I 902 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 4: know my mom loves me. We talk, but My mom 903 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 4: was very physical with me when she didn't like the 904 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 4: way I operated or you know, I done things. She 905 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 4: had me. She had me washing dishes when I was 906 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 4: like in the first grade, standing on the stool because 907 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 4: I didn't have to height. I knew how to wash 908 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 4: clothes my age of twelve years old. She just taught 909 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 4: me a lot of things how to take care of myself. 910 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 4: I disagreed on how her method, on how she approached things, 911 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 4: because that approach really tainted my vision on how to 912 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 4: parent and be loving. But so I would say that 913 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,879 Speaker 4: that would be that would be my fall because they all, 914 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 4: they all gave me something that either to think about, 915 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,439 Speaker 4: to meditate or pray on, and left with me cut 916 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 4: and back. 917 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your openness, your honesty has been really 918 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 3: really impressive. And not only that, but these are lasting 919 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 3: impressions on your life. I mean the fact that you 920 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 3: can remember, like, no, in first grade, I was washing 921 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 3: dishes standing on the stool. 922 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: Like that's a very vivid memory. Yeah, it's a very 923 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: vivid memory for you. 924 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 3: And so with all that being said and understanding like 925 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 3: your openness, I'd like for you to give us a 926 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 3: little bit of advice for the people that watch and listen, 927 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 3: and you know this thing is called Second Acts podcast 928 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 3: for the reason, and so could you give us a little. 929 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: Bit of advice of how to. 930 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 3: Handle the transition from no longer playing football to getting 931 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 3: to that second act? I think so many of us, 932 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 3: all of us, we all struggle for different ways whenever 933 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 3: we put. 934 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: Down the ball. 935 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 3: That's even from high school, going to college, college, going 936 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 3: to the league, whatever that is. Talk to us about 937 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 3: that transition, how you handled it, your struggles, and any 938 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 3: advice you would give for all of us that are 939 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 3: listening and watching, because truly that's the piece, that's the 940 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 3: secret ingredient that we're all looking for. 941 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 4: Still working it out. I agree with you, Yeah, still 942 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 4: working it out. I think the biggest advice and the 943 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,080 Speaker 4: most important thing I would give you for me has 944 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 4: been grieving, learning how to grieve, because I don't think 945 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 4: people really understand the impact of grieving, right. I didn't 946 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 4: realize when I left Baltimore, packing up my apartment, closing 947 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 4: the door and driving home that when I left and 948 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 4: closed that door and dropped off my key, that I 949 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 4: you know I was gonna be okay with never ever 950 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 4: playing football again. I'm not playing and then when COVID happened. 951 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 4: After COVID, we downsized from a home that we had 952 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 4: lived in for ten years, and I had to pack 953 00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 4: up again. But I wasn't packing up our home. I 954 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,720 Speaker 4: was packing up all my crap that I was holding 955 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 4: onto that was my old career. In the new house, 956 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 4: it had no space. Seeing in the ten yearhouse I had. 957 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 4: I had a whole area about me, mannequin with my 958 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 4: jerseys on them, the Panther pro bowl. I had my cleats. 959 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 4: I still had my shoulder pads that I wore my 960 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 4: whole career. I have all of that stuff. Had my son's, 961 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 4: my oldest sons. He played soccer at DePaul uh, so 962 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 4: he had his stuff. I just had all this stuff 963 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 4: and I had to pack it up put in a 964 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 4: box because there was no room for it in the 965 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 4: new house. And bro I was packing it up and 966 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 4: I started crying because I didn't realize I never really 967 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 4: handled it right. I just left. Then I went into 968 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 4: TV because they offered me, but I never really sat 969 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 4: down and thought about, like, how is this going to 970 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 4: impact you? And you know people and people say, oh, 971 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,879 Speaker 4: I know, you miss it. I don't. When I first 972 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,279 Speaker 4: started doing TV and they run out of tunnel, Like 973 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 4: my skin started crawling. But after now when they do it, 974 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh man, that's cool. Now I watch it 975 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 4: and I go, I wonder what they're gonna do coming 976 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 4: out of tunnel. Now, I'm just I just am interested 977 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 4: to see how they do it. Like those individual people. 978 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 4: When I first stopped, I missed it. Yeah, So grieving 979 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 4: well and going through each step and understanding all those 980 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 4: steps and knowing that it's going to be ugly. You're 981 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 4: gonna have to now, you're gonna have anger, you're gonna 982 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 4: have hopelessness, you're gonna have bargaining. Then you come to 983 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,399 Speaker 4: that resolution and then you finally are okay. But man, 984 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 4: you gotta do a lot of work in there, and 985 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 4: and then that bargaining hopelessness. Man, that's a dangerous place. 986 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 4: That's where drug addiction comes in. That's what suicidal thoughts 987 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,720 Speaker 4: come in. And if you don't if you're not prepared 988 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 4: and ready for it and have a plan. And I 989 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 4: didn't have a plan. I just said, man, I'm just 990 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 4: feeling funky. I need some I need some help because 991 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 4: it's not I'm gonna snap. It was why Like it's 992 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 4: just like waking up just disappointed. Yeah, I don't have 993 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:54,240 Speaker 4: nothing to be disappointed about. I really didn't. I really don't. 994 00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,080 Speaker 4: But struggling to find the joy and happiness and things. 995 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 4: You know, as a football player, we are so used 996 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 4: to looking for the next next play, next play. The 997 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 4: NFL for me was what I did not realize. Grew 998 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 4: up in Los Angeles, California, And anybody knows anything about 999 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 4: Los Angeles or you hear about it, PCH is a 1000 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 4: beautiful highway. Yeah, man, NFL was PCH highway. And you 1001 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 4: know what, I rarely pulled over and took the sunset there. 1002 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 4: I rarely pulled over and smelled the flowers. I was 1003 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 4: too busy just trying to get there and on one 1004 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 4: take of gas and realizing it's impossible. So that's what 1005 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 4: I was saying. Man, Fuck, you know, process, whatever you're 1006 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 4: going through, there are more years, right because I really 1007 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,439 Speaker 4: struggled with you know how I grew up. I've lived 1008 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 4: more years out of pop really then I have. That 1009 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 4: I was in poverty, but that taker's mentality is still 1010 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 4: in me, right, that get it or I wish you would, 1011 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,520 Speaker 4: it is still in me. So I gotta work. I 1012 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 4: gotta work on that it said every day, man I 1013 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,960 Speaker 4: was I was finding here from Orlando because I was 1014 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 4: doing did a little side gig out there, and man, 1015 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 4: I was on the I was on there, I was 1016 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 4: on the on the plane. Man I was reading my 1017 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 4: scriptures and and just journaling. And every day before a 1018 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 4: journal I put the date, all right, how am I 1019 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 4: feeling today? Yeah, it's been refreshing because you don't and 1020 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 4: you don't really realize how you're feeling, and then you 1021 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 4: start writing like damn quicker playing very true. Right. So 1022 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 4: that so that's for me, that's that's because if you 1023 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 4: are happy and content or at least optimistic gratefulness, it 1024 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 4: oozes out of you, just like anger oozes out of you. 1025 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 4: Got to get those toxins. And then when you crying, 1026 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 4: what you're doing is you're getting When you cry, sometimes 1027 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 4: you're getting those toxins out of you. So so for me, man, 1028 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 4: that's what I would That's that's what I would say. 1029 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: Beautiful, I love it, I do I do well. We sinning, man, 1030 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: I thank you for that. Man, I give us something good. 1031 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 3: But I want to know that because I think that's 1032 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 3: the biggest thing that we've learned doing this podcast. Is 1033 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 3: that we all struggle with it. We a lot of 1034 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 3: times we don't even know how to handle it. We 1035 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 3: don't know where it's coming from, we don't know what 1036 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 3: it is. But this transition is real, and it's real 1037 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 3: for everybody, and we all got and there's no playbook 1038 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 3: to it. There's no right way to do it. It 1039 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 3: comes with no directions, and it all hits us at 1040 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 3: some point. 1041 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 4: Everyone's transition is different. 1042 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it's all customized, customized to you the player and 1043 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 2: a car. Yeah, all the way worse and how you 1044 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,600 Speaker 2: deal with it. So, hey, man, appreciate you being vulnerable 1045 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 2: sharing all that was. 1046 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 4: That was deep. 1047 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing it. 1048 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad. 1049 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 2: I feel like I know you even more now. 1050 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 4: Appreciate you shot. That was one of the things I 1051 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 4: tried to do when I played this. I kept that 1052 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 4: hard steriorshell. I didn't want people to know me. Yeah, 1053 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,560 Speaker 4: and I think it benefited me because now over here 1054 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 4: when people they're like, oh, he actually he's not dumb, right, 1055 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 4: he's not. He's he doesn't walk around mad at the 1056 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 4: letters because it's. 1057 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 3: Wilton, which I think he's still made. But really, I 1058 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 3: love you that, I love you, so it's all good. Man, Hey, look, 1059 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 3: I guess we'll get you up out of here. All 1060 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,120 Speaker 3: of our listeners, our viewers, thank you so much man 1061 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 3: for always tuning in as always tell a friend to 1062 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,840 Speaker 3: tell a friend to web you tell a frame. 1063 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. Giv us a five star rating. 1064 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 3: Hit that poba bld and give us a review anywhere 1065 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 3: you picked up your podcast where it's Apple PI has iHeartRadio. 1066 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Please keep tuning in, Man. We're doing big things here, 1067 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,640 Speaker 3: getting great stories from legends like. 1068 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,959 Speaker 1: My man Steve Smith right here, so appreciate it. Steve 1069 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Smith NFL Player. Second next podcast, We out