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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December twenty seven, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
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Speaker 1: try to hit a lot of topics today. How's everybody doing.
Speaker 1: I'm awesome, Derek, good day, Glad to have you back. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I missed yesterday Christmas travel, but you didn't bring any gumbo.
Speaker 1: I tried, man, then TSA won't let you on. It's
Speaker 1: liquid TSA. I know the damn TSA. Man ain't care
Speaker 1: enough to check in it back for you. No, he
Speaker 1: didn't know. I haven't checked a bag in ten years. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not adding that extra stress onto my life, not
Speaker 1: even if it meant I would have some gumbo to day.
Speaker 1: You can come hey, with any luck, we're all going
Speaker 1: to New Or going into weeks. You can come visit
Speaker 1: Mama helmet. I'm gonna start over, so he's gonna make
Speaker 1: a whole new batch for us. It takes like two hours.
Speaker 1: You said, like, tell tell everyone once you've got Angie
Speaker 1: her for Christmas? Can you do that? Yeah, Tommy John,
Speaker 1: this should not be scandalous. I know it's not. I
Speaker 1: bought My mom is from New Orleans, she lives there,
Speaker 1: she's lived there for forty plus years. I bought her
Speaker 1: a gift card to Saints Shop. Nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: So you gotta know what the parents, how about what
Speaker 1: you like? Let me finish so if we're there in
Speaker 1: two weeks, Yeah, for a playoff game. She doesn't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with us. No, but no, they and
Speaker 1: that's my parents are very supportive. My dad like, listens
Speaker 1: to all these shows, Hi, Dad, I don't think too.
Speaker 1: My mom's a little more chill. My mom's like, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you, but I'm not going to listen to
Speaker 1: like five hours of Cowboys content per week with my
Speaker 1: dad gives me suggestions on what we should read right here, really, yeah, now,
Speaker 1: maybe we should take some of those suggestions. Got I
Speaker 1: give us some good ones. I've got one. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's I don't know how good it is, but it's
Speaker 1: um No, they tell me he likes puns, he likes
Speaker 1: it's very appropriate. But yeah, I was about to say, okay,
Speaker 1: hey nick Dad, okay, sounds about right where it was
Speaker 1: an apple treat. Yeah, if it, if it came to that,
Speaker 1: my parents would definitely root for the Saints. And but
Speaker 1: they would be like, but you know, we want we
Speaker 1: want what's best for you too, So my dad would say, well,
Speaker 1: we can't lose. It's good for us, no matter what.
Speaker 1: That's what you would say. How did your dad handle
Speaker 1: the Stefan Diggs touchdown? Not good? Not great? But nobody
Speaker 1: I know did. I was about to say, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody in New Orleans. But he wasn't happy. He
Speaker 1: was pretty he was pretty unhappy. It's bad, Which honestly,
Speaker 1: that's how I knew this job has totally changed me,
Speaker 1: because like I was watching it here in Dallas and
Speaker 1: I it happened, and I was like, oh damn, like
Speaker 1: it didn't. I wasn't sad at all. I was just like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And then I was like, everyone I know
Speaker 1: is about to jump off a bridge, like that's yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The group FaceTime like it's okay, guys. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: it'll be all right. I'm sorry, it's okay. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's jump in. Let's talk some Cowboys football. Let's start
Speaker 1: first getting everybody caught up. Jason Garrett talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about some injuries. Catch us up on what he said.
Speaker 1: There were four guys in particular that he mentored where
Speaker 1: are we with Irving, Crawford, Brown, and Martin. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we sat and we were like, well,
Speaker 1: if David Irving plays, it won't be until the playoffs.
Speaker 1: David Irving's not gonna play for this team right ever again,
Speaker 1: I mean not this year. And if it's not this year.
Speaker 1: What ain't going home? Sorry? Oh yeah, no, you did
Speaker 1: this movie week this week, David Irving's not playing. And
Speaker 1: you know, if if I'm wrong, you can pull this
Speaker 1: up and throw it back in my face. But I
Speaker 1: just he's I don't buy it. He's not looking like
Speaker 1: he's even getting close. The playoffs are basically here. I mean,
Speaker 1: they'll be practicing for a playoff game at this time
Speaker 1: next week, and he doesn't look like a guy that's
Speaker 1: making a ton of progress. I'm calling it. I don't
Speaker 1: think we see him this season, and therefore I don't
Speaker 1: think we see him ever again probably. Um anyway, and
Speaker 1: why they don't put him on injured reserve, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't have I mean, it's I, if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, I think that's kind of a tugle war
Speaker 1: between coaching and front office. Yeah, it's like the coaches
Speaker 1: are like, what are we doing here? And the front
Speaker 1: office is like, this guy's freakishly talented. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: give up on him until we have to. That's my guess,
Speaker 1: pure speculation, that's my guess. Yeah. Um, I mean he's inactive,
Speaker 1: so it's not like if you brought another guy in,
Speaker 1: he'd probably be an active. Yeah, I'm reserving my comments
Speaker 1: because I think that after seeing what happened with different
Speaker 1: stories here, but after seeing Randy Gregory's stories and me
Speaker 1: back then, I was just like, well, why keep wasting
Speaker 1: time with someone that's just not pulling their hand lessons?
Speaker 1: I admit it, Yes, yes, of course, and it's great
Speaker 1: to see Randy's accomplishment and where he's at right now.
Speaker 1: But as far as David Irving, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that I mean, you can say about him at this point,
Speaker 1: but I think after me personally, after seeing what happened
Speaker 1: with Randy and all that, I'm just like, oh, my
Speaker 1: comments to myself, I think I think we've beaten this
Speaker 1: into the ground. But I mean, you know, you never
Speaker 1: know exactly what another person is going through like that,
Speaker 1: I think there's more. There's way more to this than
Speaker 1: that meets the eye than David Irving just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play football, like I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that easy, and so yeah, like I'm I'm not Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cast judgment. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play for this team again this year. Um
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford is he's out at practice, which in my
Speaker 1: opinion is miraculous considering he needed to go to the
Speaker 1: hospital five days ago. Um, he's out there. He's not
Speaker 1: going to play this week, nor should he, but it
Speaker 1: is a good sign. Zack Martin ramped his stuff up today.
Speaker 1: He was doing a little bit more. I would be
Speaker 1: kind of surprised if he plays, but it's a good
Speaker 1: sign for the playoffs. Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown was also
Speaker 1: looking like he was planning on being limited at least,
Speaker 1: like he was mixing into the drills and stuff. And um, CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin we talked about I don't talked about yesterday. We
Speaker 1: talked about him on the roster. Um. I mean he's
Speaker 1: going to be that gunner there and that is that
Speaker 1: is a big deal. That is a big deal for
Speaker 1: the special teams units. Um, he does a really nice
Speaker 1: job there and so they're they're excited about that move
Speaker 1: right there. It hasn't been an issue recently, but like
Speaker 1: I mean, you think you know Atlanta Lenor gets that penalty.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the difference between good point, difference
Speaker 1: between winning and losing, and playoff games can be so yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely something to watch. Lenor did make it back to
Speaker 1: the practice squad though, so he's still here, which is
Speaker 1: a little surprising to me because, yeah, because this is
Speaker 1: the time of year. You know, you got a guy
Speaker 1: that's been been around for a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: he's done some good things in preseason games which teams
Speaker 1: look at, and then this is a really easy time
Speaker 1: to have him out there, put him on your roster
Speaker 1: and keep him, you know. I mean if you're any team,
Speaker 1: any team that's you know, out there, like the Bills,
Speaker 1: and they say, well, you know we can, we can
Speaker 1: keep Lenor. Now he's on our team, and now we
Speaker 1: got him all all season. I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those guys though, that um we hit we see
Speaker 1: the severy year training camp be like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys when they go yea, like everybody's got
Speaker 1: one of him, right, everybody's got a guy that they think, hey,
Speaker 1: this seevers got a little potential, he's got a little something.
Speaker 1: I think we might be able to at some point
Speaker 1: develop him maybe into something. Everybody seems to have one
Speaker 1: of those guys. So it's like, do you trade your
Speaker 1: guy who has the potential for this other guy has
Speaker 1: the potential. I just I don't. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: necessarily different than those other lot of guys across the hes. Not.
Speaker 1: Here's the difference, though. He's a street free agent. You know,
Speaker 1: you think about it, at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: you're gonna sign fifteen or so guy ten, maybe not
Speaker 1: that many, maybe like seven or eight, like street free
Speaker 1: agents that were kind of out of football whatever. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys made him a street free agent in week sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's why that's he's better than the guys that
Speaker 1: are sitting. He's better than Katie Cannon, you know, who's
Speaker 1: not in on a team right now. That that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. They made him a street free agent by
Speaker 1: the time of year, So yeah, I'm trying. I know
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have done that before. You know, like you
Speaker 1: don't feel the same way about these guys in December
Speaker 1: that you did in May. Either, You're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy didn't really pan out. Maybe this Lenore guy that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys cuts better, you know. So I know, if
Speaker 1: I thought about it, I know the Cowboys have done that.
Speaker 1: You know, especially if your season's pretty much over, you're
Speaker 1: not worried about winning many more games, you're not going
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and take a look at somebody like that.
Speaker 1: So I kind of agree with Nick, but he's still here.
Speaker 1: And uh, did we I think we hit everything on Yeah,
Speaker 1: we hit all four of those. This is a remarkably
Speaker 1: healthy team for you know, December twenty eighth, whatever, seventh seventh, seventh,
Speaker 1: sewenty eighth, it's your birthday, Uh, be correct, So you
Speaker 1: know everybody's dealing with something like I guarantee there's thirty
Speaker 1: guys on the on the team that have injuries that
Speaker 1: aren't on the report, just Knox and knicks and things
Speaker 1: like that. But in the grand scheme, this is a
Speaker 1: remarkably healthy team. We do actually have a question from
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan for life. He asked, well, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's what right? Can we can we please have table
Speaker 1: on Austin return punch, so talk about his return from injury.
Speaker 1: When is he going to be back, because seems like
Speaker 1: he's healthy at this point or Ryan wrote about him
Speaker 1: today he was full. Okay, he's full yesterday. I expected him.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't play this week, it's just because they
Speaker 1: just decided we don't want to have him. He has
Speaker 1: to play this week. He needs, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: you want guys to be healthy, and you know this
Speaker 1: game doesn't mean anything in the standings. He has not
Speaker 1: played since October fourteenth. I know he's This game is
Speaker 1: made for a guy like that. He needs to get
Speaker 1: reactlimated to football. So I fully expect to see him
Speaker 1: out there. I'd like to see him return punts and
Speaker 1: play receiver too. I no idea what his workload is
Speaker 1: gonna look like, but I expect him to have a
Speaker 1: pretty sizable role. He said earlier before the show, you
Speaker 1: said they could have made him an injury, put him
Speaker 1: on injured reserve. Yea, and brought him back, because that's
Speaker 1: how long he was out. However, you can only do
Speaker 1: that two times. They did it with Noah Brown. They're
Speaker 1: doing a good Goodwin wouldn't be able to come back
Speaker 1: if you had done. They were fortunate that they were
Speaker 1: able to have. I mean, they've been doing it with
Speaker 1: David Irving too. They were they have these these spots.
Speaker 1: That's because they really haven't been that banged up this year,
Speaker 1: which I was thinking about, well, yeah, knock on whatever
Speaker 1: this is. I was thinking about that at Actice today.
Speaker 1: This it's been pretty remarkable like you look, you look
Speaker 1: at what's going on with Washington, obviously Philly for the
Speaker 1: second straight years dealing with a lot of stuff, even
Speaker 1: you know the Giants. Odell's not on injured reserve, but
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with that for a few weeks. We'll
Speaker 1: get into it. There are several guys that were starters
Speaker 1: that are on IR now, Like you know, fans want
Speaker 1: to screen bloody murder, Like, oh, our training regiment is tera,
Speaker 1: Like we gotta get new people in here because our
Speaker 1: guys are all hurt. Nobody says anything when you're remarkably healthy,
Speaker 1: and that's there's a lot of luck that goes into it,
Speaker 1: no doubt. You know, this is just a physical sport,
Speaker 1: so it's injuries have to be built into it. You
Speaker 1: know that you're supposed to have injuries at this point,
Speaker 1: so the fact that you don't there is some luck.
Speaker 1: What's the stat on Dak? Was it you that told
Speaker 1: me that about Dak playing every game? Yeah? I wanted
Speaker 1: to say that if he finished the season without and
Speaker 1: without missing a game, He's want to say it's the
Speaker 1: most consecutive starts for guys starting his career quarterback. I
Speaker 1: want to say I think it might be or second
Speaker 1: Orthur somewhere in there, Like it's definitely in the wreck.
Speaker 1: Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure the status he's
Speaker 1: the first Cowboys quarterback ever to start three sixteen games
Speaker 1: three times in a row. Because you think about you
Speaker 1: think about him, yep in you know, Romo injuries for
Speaker 1: one reason or another. Stabak was in and out of
Speaker 1: the lineup a couple of times at the beginning of
Speaker 1: his career. You think about the way he's built, Like
Speaker 1: he's built in a way where you would think he
Speaker 1: can see because he's been sacked a ton. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the remarkable thing. Think about how many times he's
Speaker 1: been hit this year. Yeah, the fact that he's managed
Speaker 1: to continue to play without any major injuries or injuries
Speaker 1: out at least sidelining for a game, that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: I can look this up and I will. But three
Speaker 1: three years in a row to start a career, three
Speaker 1: straight winning season, I'd like to see how many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have done that, just to start across the league. Yeah. Ever,
Speaker 1: I mean, you start a career and you've had day
Speaker 1: one straight winning seasons, I guarantee you it's not a
Speaker 1: long list. I'm tired at all. And and you know
Speaker 1: Brady comes to mind. Are you saying, like so you're
Speaker 1: saying his rookie year would count when he didn't play
Speaker 1: at all to start a career. Roethlisberger probably Urger, I'm
Speaker 1: sure did that. But I mean, you gotta have nine
Speaker 1: in a row. I mean you gotta have I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta have nine three years in a row.
Speaker 1: So it's not many. Marino might have done it. I
Speaker 1: mean you know this. Every time I have these types
Speaker 1: of conversations, it just you know, the cynic in me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is why Jason Garrett wanted to win
Speaker 1: that Philly game last year. Yes, yea one hundred percent
Speaker 1: for him. For Dak, like Taylor just asked, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look anywhere near as good if you're like, well, he
Speaker 1: he had two winning seasons and an eight and eight,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't sound anywhere near. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with with double digit wins, like getting this tenth win,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter to this fan, to fans and
Speaker 1: the people that are talking about this game, but I
Speaker 1: guarantee you they want that tenth win. Yeah, absolutely want
Speaker 1: that tenth win. Yeah, all right, let's take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, Dave kind of alluded to it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about this Giants team.
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Speaker 1: about some of the differences between the offenses and the
Speaker 1: defenses for the Giants when the Cowboys played them in
Speaker 1: week two versus when they'll match up with them in
Speaker 1: week seventeen. Will do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break excuse me, welcome back the second
Speaker 1: second of the Break. Life in the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star Talking Cowboys Football, Talking Cowboys versus Giants
Speaker 1: days gonna give us a little bit of an update.
Speaker 1: Excuse me on where the cow the Giants are offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively relative to where they were in week two.
Speaker 1: What changes have happened, Dave between those two in those
Speaker 1: two units. I am a big believer in the value.
Speaker 1: Are we trying to win this game? I will determ
Speaker 1: me how much I care about when you say we
Speaker 1: are you referring to er talking about us like I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said. I just want to know first
Speaker 1: when you say when you say we, like are they're
Speaker 1: probably trying to win the game. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get through this like that's which get through it healthy.
Speaker 1: I am a big believer in the like journalism is
Speaker 1: important to me, full disclosure, transparency, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch a liquid tape on this team. I
Speaker 1: don't care, I do, I'm not. I'm sorry. I will
Speaker 1: not be charting this game by the third quarter. It's
Speaker 1: the holidays. I went to see my family, I got
Speaker 1: flights to book and things to worry about. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch any of this team and I'm not sorry about it. Um,
Speaker 1: But now give us an update. It is remarkable. I
Speaker 1: kind of wish you would have you would have been
Speaker 1: here for the five and eleven seasons, oh, because it
Speaker 1: changes your perspective on that. Like I get it, like
Speaker 1: this is not going to be on a you know,
Speaker 1: ESPN's Instant Classic. But I mean I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: look at it like that. I look at it because
Speaker 1: we've had for three years in a row. We had
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, and cover these games, not just that,
Speaker 1: you had to do the month of December. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: find stuff that matters and find maybe this guy can
Speaker 1: set a record in this And I'm I'm already looking
Speaker 1: at what vander esh tackles. You know he's at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But here's a difference, Nick, Here's a difference. If you're
Speaker 1: in December and you know you're not going to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the kind of things you're looking for that you can
Speaker 1: find and you can make relevant for fans, that's different
Speaker 1: than you're going to the playoffs. But you got this
Speaker 1: little game you gotta do before you get there. Like,
Speaker 1: those are two completely different games. But I guarantee last
Speaker 1: year I probably wasn't in the same boat as y'all were,
Speaker 1: Or maybe I don't know last year going into Philly
Speaker 1: Like it's a game. I mean, it's a game matters.
Speaker 1: I will say, well for different reasons. I well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to misspeak because I mean, this game has value.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinated and excited to see what Darius Jackson
Speaker 1: gets to do in this game. Like there's definitely there's
Speaker 1: valuable things that you can find stuff take. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: and yeah it's a game like preseason you only get
Speaker 1: to play sixteen. Yeah. And anybody that's listening to this
Speaker 1: ship like it's not like y'all listening at home aren't
Speaker 1: gonna watch to say show, but you stopped. No, I
Speaker 1: know I was gonna say show. I wasn't gonna say
Speaker 1: the other thing. Anybody listening to this show is gonna
Speaker 1: watch The Giant Like nobody's not gonna watch just because
Speaker 1: you know the playoffs are clenched. I just but I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna like, I mean, I go, I go home
Speaker 1: two nights a week during the season and watch tape
Speaker 1: for at least an hour, if not two or three,
Speaker 1: you know, like to you know, what what do they do?
Speaker 1: What do they do? Well? What does this look like?
Speaker 1: What does this guy do? I'm sorry. I'm not doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm not. I don't blame him for
Speaker 1: that part. Um. Anyway, this is a remarkably different team.
Speaker 1: You know. It's crazy the the unique names, the big
Speaker 1: names that are gone. And that's what happens when you
Speaker 1: play one game in week two and the other one
Speaker 1: in week seventeen. Remember Eric Flowers, he's on another team.
Speaker 1: He's on another team. He's long gone. How about Damon
Speaker 1: miss him Sacks? How about Snacks? He's gone to He's
Speaker 1: in Detroit. They traded him in October. Eli Apple, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know now hidden to the playoffs? We do. I
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. Gallup knew exactly where he was behind him. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I mean there are some guys that are
Speaker 1: still on the team. Odell Beckham is not going to play.
Speaker 1: He caught four for fifty one in week two. I
Speaker 1: would I would assume he's not gonna play. I don't
Speaker 1: know that for had a quad injury, been out two
Speaker 1: weeks now. Yeah, sank my fantasy season. Thanks. Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: did not play in these teams first meeting, and I
Speaker 1: imagine that he will play in this game. Um So
Speaker 1: if they were doing a Sunday night game on NBC
Speaker 1: when they kind of put their names and faces up there.
Speaker 1: What does it look like? Eli Manning, Eli Manning, Ole Miss,
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley, Penn State. Uh, what Sterling Shepherd Oklahoma, Russell
Speaker 1: Shepherd Louisiana State. Let's go um Evan Ingram. Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: who has actually been pretty good here the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. He has he come back going another guy
Speaker 1: who sank my fantasy season. Um. Three of their five
Speaker 1: starting olie him and have changed. They've had bad luck
Speaker 1: with that. Obviously. They got rid of Flowers, John good luck,
Speaker 1: John Halapio. I think I think he got hurt in
Speaker 1: that first game against the Cowboys. He was their starting center.
Speaker 1: He's not there anymore. Uh. Jamon Brown has taken over
Speaker 1: at Reich guard. So there's a decent amount of change here.
Speaker 1: Josh Morrow is starting where Snacks used to start. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this one's fun. You know he's on the team,
Speaker 1: or you should because he was there for the first game.
Speaker 1: But B. W. Webb is now starting and playing pretty
Speaker 1: well for them, starting opposite of Jenores Jenkins, Jet Jack Rabbit.
Speaker 1: If you will, yeah, um, if you will. So Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup is probably gonna get a nice little look at him.
Speaker 1: So that'll be b W web fourth round pick. Where
Speaker 1: do you know, a shout out to the queues where
Speaker 1: your web no close? That's what's Jones well, b W
Speaker 1: web boom fourth round pick. Yeah, the brush And what
Speaker 1: did you used to call him? Oh? I did not
Speaker 1: come up. Row Ash Well, me and Rowan called him
Speaker 1: Billy Willie Webb. And then Tim McMahon, who does Tim
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon doesn't even cover the cowboys anymore, but he
Speaker 1: called He said BW stood for burned whenever yea burned
Speaker 1: whenever Webb. He's better now. Twenty thirteen was a rough season.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's playing he's playing pretty good for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cast of the cast of characters has changed a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean se Quon's still there. He caught
Speaker 1: He caught fourteen passes in that first game. Um oh yeah, Eli,
Speaker 1: he could be a problem for years to come. Eli's
Speaker 1: gonna Eli. He's Eli has picked his play up a
Speaker 1: little bit here down in the final month, but he's
Speaker 1: he's still Eli. You know. It's interesting to me, like
Speaker 1: they seem like they're playing better here the last absolutely,
Speaker 1: And here's the interesting part. Arguably their best offensive player
Speaker 1: and their best defensive player are out. You know, Odell's out,
Speaker 1: and then their safety has been out. Now he's on IR,
Speaker 1: but he's been out Landing. Yeah, Landings still there though
Speaker 1: he missed. I thought he's been missing the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was I actually thought he was
Speaker 1: on IR. He's not on IR. Hang on, now you're
Speaker 1: throwing me off and pull up the injury report. I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him on it. No, he's not even
Speaker 1: on the injury report. But is that you're sure he's
Speaker 1: not an IR. No, he's definitely not on I. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's in the starting I'm thinking about somebody else. I
Speaker 1: thought Landon Collins was out. Landon Collins is not out.
Speaker 1: But Generas has battled some injuries this year. He's helped
Speaker 1: Trusty and then, uh, that'd be different. It'd be very different.
Speaker 1: But Olivier Vernon has dealt with injuries and um and
Speaker 1: then obviously Snacks isn't there, and that's big. For my money,
Speaker 1: he was one of the most underrated guys on in
Speaker 1: the HO was hard to run against him for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. But yeah, Snacks was right there in
Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah, guarantee, if his nickname was like Big
Speaker 1: Damon or something like that, you wouldn't like Big dam Snack.
Speaker 1: I kind of like Big dam that work. And he's
Speaker 1: a good name. He is. He is, You've been one
Speaker 1: like he's the guy that you've been wanting this team forever. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, but I'm just saying I think that
Speaker 1: I think names matter a lot. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think that if the guy's name, if we call him Snacks,
Speaker 1: I think people like him more. I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of another I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I think or Lucky Whitehead's name
Speaker 1: was like Billy Jones, I don't think he would. Or
Speaker 1: if people just called him Rodney instead of Lucky, well
Speaker 1: some people called him Rodney when he wasn't but um
Speaker 1: or whatever happened with that. Yeah, I'm staking identity. Okay,
Speaker 1: So because his stats, well we're talking about the Giants,
Speaker 1: but his stats, I'm looking at his stats and they
Speaker 1: don't have stats on him past twelve two. Maybe he's kpe.
Speaker 1: So it makes me think that if they don't have
Speaker 1: stats since twelve two that maybe he's not around, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm missing something here, m now,
Speaker 1: we just got some awesome dead air here. Might he
Speaker 1: tore his labor him against the Bears, but he's still
Speaker 1: listed in the lineup. And I mean this means he's
Speaker 1: not playing. I'm giving away my seekers. But our lads
Speaker 1: maintain like they keep depth charts for all these teams,
Speaker 1: and he's right here in the starting lineup. They updated
Speaker 1: every freaking day, Like if a guy tears his achilles
Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon, he's out of the lineup by Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: Damn a ghost. And then Collins will not be there.
Speaker 1: Here's tay this we'll know exactly. We'll know exactly playing
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. And who's not playing? Yeah, I know this.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is out. Earl, he's not playing for Seattle. Actually,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a question about that in the next segment.
Speaker 1: Would you go after Earl? We're gonna have to talk
Speaker 1: about that. We haven't talked about Earl in a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, do we have to. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: talk about her. Okay, yeah, um, difference maker in that game. No,
Speaker 1: he was absolutely, no, he was. Yeah, that's that's how David. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I am, I am he They put him on injured
Speaker 1: reserve on December sixth. There we go. Why is he
Speaker 1: still in the lineup on a depth chart? That's that's
Speaker 1: not Christmas? The day after Christmas? That should a question
Speaker 1: should be after you apologize to him. You don't have
Speaker 1: to apologize. Sorry he was following his paper. No, but
Speaker 1: I could have done a little more research, which I didn't,
Speaker 1: because this game doesn't mean anything. It's the season of forgiveness.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I forgive you? Um that why you finished second?
Speaker 1: Is that why you finished secondly? I finished first in
Speaker 1: one league, get it right? But not both? Not both?
Speaker 1: I did not Why you're in a kind of a
Speaker 1: bad mood the other day? Yes, yes, nick, nick point,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, like you know, they beat the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: They don't even look convincing doing it. They beat the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers and we're laughing, not knowing who's starting at safety
Speaker 1: for the Giant, our best defensive players in playing. But
Speaker 1: I'm but everybody would be crapping their pants about this
Speaker 1: game if it meant something, Because you're right, the Giants
Speaker 1: were one and seven, Yes, so to be five and
Speaker 1: ten right now, I mean they've played I mean they've
Speaker 1: played above five hundred football since October basically and then
Speaker 1: in the league. But their perspective does this game obviously
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything, but to them, do these that's
Speaker 1: fear differently the Giants. Yeah, yeah, for the Giants, like
Speaker 1: are you trying to play this to win it? They
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny or are they still
Speaker 1: wearing the this Are they still wearing the star on
Speaker 1: their helmet? Because if their cowboys come out there with
Speaker 1: that star, the answer is yes, they're trying to win
Speaker 1: that game. Yeah it is. It's stripes, yeah, say, it's
Speaker 1: just the way that Yeah, they're gonna win. Guys talked
Speaker 1: about at the beginning of the show, like these stats
Speaker 1: follow coaches, they follow quarterbacks, they follow you know, so
Speaker 1: when you talk about wins and losses, that one extra
Speaker 1: win matters. It looks differently. Seven and nine looks different
Speaker 1: than six and ten, right, So, and I don't know
Speaker 1: where they are. What's what's their record right now? Five
Speaker 1: and ten? Five? Yeah, so get to six and ten
Speaker 1: verses five and eleven, I mean five and eleven and
Speaker 1: six and ten to me is different. So there's a foods.
Speaker 1: I was hoping they would get to six. Yeah, no doubt,
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think they're definitely gonna be
Speaker 1: out there ready to play and and see what happens. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean and Nick always says this and he's
Speaker 1: absolutely right about it. Yes, where this work, Where this
Speaker 1: there's a difference is are they working hard today? Yeah? Like,
Speaker 1: are they really studying tape today? Are they really studying
Speaker 1: tape yesterday? Where they on Christmas Day looking at tape
Speaker 1: and doing all the things that you do to prepare
Speaker 1: yourself for a game. The next week, they'll show up
Speaker 1: for the game and they'll play hard, But are they
Speaker 1: doing all the preparation during the week. And that's where
Speaker 1: you know it kind of is the difference. I think
Speaker 1: it is for sure. But that's it's it's something that
Speaker 1: you don't I didn't get perspective on, at least until
Speaker 1: I started working here and working with these people. Is
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, it's a job, and I get there's
Speaker 1: there are guys across the league that are checked out
Speaker 1: and have their flight book to turn on every tas
Speaker 1: on every single team, But I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear. I just this is a reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a job, and I think the vast majority
Speaker 1: of these guys taken immense amount of pride in it,
Speaker 1: and they also the vast majority of them really love it.
Speaker 1: You want to put bad tape out there you don't remember,
Speaker 1: embarrass yourself, embarrass your team, hurt your prospects of future earnings,
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff. And so for the I mean,
Speaker 1: there are definitely guys on this Giant's team that couldn't
Speaker 1: care less, but I've the vast majority of them want
Speaker 1: to end this thing on a strong note. For sure.
Speaker 1: There was a game a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: don't remember why gaming was, but it was not a
Speaker 1: good loss. The Cowboys lost. We were on the plane
Speaker 1: and the players were walking around like smiling and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I just like after a game, yeah, after they lost,
Speaker 1: and I was so upset, I'm like, why are you laughing?
Speaker 1: Right now? In my mind, you know, like, why are
Speaker 1: you laughing? Why are even smiling? Go to your seat
Speaker 1: and be the price or something. B side be upset.
Speaker 1: But then you realize, like you said, it is a job,
Speaker 1: like and fans and including myself, I get upset certain things,
Speaker 1: but this is a job. Yes, whether they lose or win,
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is, and they're still gonna
Speaker 1: just like any other job. But people see it the biggest,
Speaker 1: the big Like if fans could see people's demeanors after games,
Speaker 1: especially like losses, by the time they get to the plane,
Speaker 1: because sometimes you can see the play. Yeah it's after
Speaker 1: a loss, it's not good. But if if fans could
Speaker 1: sometimes see the demeanor of guys two or three hours
Speaker 1: after loss, they would lose their mind. And my rebuttal
Speaker 1: to that is always, you have a terrible day at work,
Speaker 1: what do you do? I go to the bar and
Speaker 1: blow offs team. I absolutely and so don't come at
Speaker 1: me with that. Basically, I learned that my first two
Speaker 1: road trips on this team in nineteen ninety nine. A
Speaker 1: lot of people not gonna remember these games. They couldn't
Speaker 1: have been two different plane ride backs. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean two different finishes at Washington opening day, down twenty
Speaker 1: one in the fourth quarter, tied the game, got to overtime,
Speaker 1: rocket ismil to touch down. Most exciting. That was my
Speaker 1: first game. Pretty cool. On the way back, everyone was
Speaker 1: kind of excited. Yeah, okay. And then week four at
Speaker 1: Philly there their winless Cowboys are undefeated. Michael Irving goes
Speaker 1: down with a broken spying vertebrae neck, never plays again,
Speaker 1: stays in Philly. They lose the game, and it was
Speaker 1: like a miserable loss. It's about the same on the
Speaker 1: way back, and I thought, man, this is exactly what
Speaker 1: then I realized. Right then, by the time the buses
Speaker 1: and by the time we get taken off, it's a job,
Speaker 1: like you said, and they and honestly, they have to
Speaker 1: do that because the more you dwell in your own misery,
Speaker 1: or the more you stay too high on that win,
Speaker 1: the more you can get overconfident or you can lose
Speaker 1: your confidence. And so you have to be as a professional.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to say, at some point
Speaker 1: rather quickly, okay, that is what it is. We either
Speaker 1: want or we lost. I put that aside. I move
Speaker 1: on to the next game. Romo dropping the ball in Seattle,
Speaker 1: and that that playoff game was like a funeral. It
Speaker 1: was like the quiett I mean that one was saying.
Speaker 1: And there are games like there are definitely that there
Speaker 1: are wins and losses that buck that trend like I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen you know, We've been on the plane after
Speaker 1: wins where I'm like, holy crap, did we win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and nobody told me yeah. And then I've
Speaker 1: been after lost it's like, oh my god, it's a
Speaker 1: few years ago that game. All right, let's take our
Speaker 1: final break. When we come back, we're gonna get some
Speaker 1: questions from you guys call us eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two ninety seven. We'll also take some
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Speaker 1: Break Live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the Start,
Speaker 1: Nick tells about Tommy John. Tommy John, Um, what's the
Speaker 1: best underwear ever? Yeah? Found something this morning. It was good. Found. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't think there was any left, but
Speaker 1: there actually was. Don't think there's some about No, you
Speaker 1: were gonna sell your dad's line. I don't know. He
Speaker 1: had that look kind of like it's probably inappropriate, which
Speaker 1: means that you know, it's good Nick, because Nick's filter
Speaker 1: is now it's not really it's just kind of there's
Speaker 1: some there's some gray area there. But basically he thinks
Speaker 1: that we should. Um, you know, it's like a good defense.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a cover of he said it's
Speaker 1: a cover two defense really, but I think it's really
Speaker 1: more of a cover three especially for guys. But um,
Speaker 1: then again they have guys girls underwear, so it's really
Speaker 1: kind of complicated. So it's a lot of coverages, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you don't do just one thing. You want
Speaker 1: to mix and Matt Yeah, yeah, do different coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit of zone. So yeah, Tommy John dot
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Speaker 1: all right, good, get you some Tommy John. If you
Speaker 1: didn't get him for Christmas, and if you did get
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Speaker 1: go get some more. Yeah, don't you got it down.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, let's get into some questions.
Speaker 1: Eight five two two ninety seven is our number. We
Speaker 1: have a call first from Felton and North Carolina. Felton,
Speaker 1: what up? Hey, what's going on? Everyone? Hey? Happy holidays too.
Speaker 1: I just want to say I greatly appreciate all that
Speaker 1: you guys do. Thank you. Thancial appreciation goes to Amber
Speaker 1: this season and Bar this season, but Amber, Amber, Amber, Oh,
Speaker 1: I think with you a whole lot this season and
Speaker 1: finally someone that thank you. Look, I've been trying to
Speaker 1: get through to let you know that that's that's very important.
Speaker 1: I really hold what you say in high regard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely to get to my point or comments today, and
Speaker 1: I really want to hear back from you guys about this.
Speaker 1: So I've been listening to all of the podcasts, and
Speaker 1: I hear a lot going on about Jason Garage. I
Speaker 1: guess adamants about you know, winning this game or playing
Speaker 1: all the players, and I'm just like scratching my head
Speaker 1: because I remember a couple of years ago to speak
Speaker 1: to your point about numbers, Derek and records. There was
Speaker 1: a chance to have the best Cowboy record I think
Speaker 1: a fourteen wins, and we played back four quarters. Zeke
Speaker 1: didn't play. It was that was momentum, that was their
Speaker 1: rookie season, and that was the time to leave those
Speaker 1: guys in and let them continue what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And you had Tony Romo as a backup for the
Speaker 1: playoffs if anything were to happen, so even more of
Speaker 1: a reason for that game to have meant something. But
Speaker 1: it didn't mean that much that year. And here we
Speaker 1: are a season we backed into the playoffs with the
Speaker 1: same record we basically had last year. Who backed into
Speaker 1: the playoffs? I don't know if how you can say
Speaker 1: they backed into the playoffs? How do they back into
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Because the division was absolutely almost completely trash
Speaker 1: and you win the division almost completely fairly trash again, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think they backed into the plays. Finish your
Speaker 1: point and we'll talk about it. Sorry, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and we can go back over this. It's cool. I
Speaker 1: don't mind at that point, because you won the division,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to win it back in when you
Speaker 1: won the division. But I understand that. So the rest
Speaker 1: of my point is we've clinched. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of players that are hurt, tired, beat up. Like this
Speaker 1: is the time I've heard Nate said, you play who's
Speaker 1: who's able to, but you see people that need it.
Speaker 1: Man to me, Zeke man, he needs a break. He
Speaker 1: I not admit it, but I'm looking at him in like,
Speaker 1: if anybody needs to just take the week off as him,
Speaker 1: We're appreciate. That's good. We appreciate the said. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he's seen our website today because we have a
Speaker 1: feature on Darius Jackson. Um if the Cowboys are trying
Speaker 1: to win this game and go, you know, go, you know,
Speaker 1: try to get into the playoffs or whatever, and and
Speaker 1: you know, going on, Zeke, we're not writing a feature
Speaker 1: on Darius Jackson. You go back to that Philly game
Speaker 1: that you're referring to, or don't forget there was a
Speaker 1: bye week after that, which I that could make your
Speaker 1: point or that could that could be against It depends
Speaker 1: on how you think about that bye week. But I
Speaker 1: guarantee you Jason Garrett was saying the exact same thing
Speaker 1: he's saying this week. So let's just wait and see
Speaker 1: how it plays out. Before he's saying we're going to
Speaker 1: prepare to win and all that kind of stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens if you're in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: and he's running the ball and Zeke's still in the game.
Speaker 1: You keep scratching your head. But let's see how it
Speaker 1: plays out. Because I have a feeling you're gonna see
Speaker 1: some guys start game and all that, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be a little different. That's the wording of
Speaker 1: this gives them so much leeway, Like the guys that
Speaker 1: guys that need a break are gonna get a break.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs a break right now. Za Zach Martin is
Speaker 1: not gonna play in this game, but he just played
Speaker 1: in a game like he could play in this game.
Speaker 1: He's not going to right, They're gonna be smart. Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott is not going to play. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: thirty touches in this game. I'll bet my house. I
Speaker 1: don't own a house, but I'll bet it like it's
Speaker 1: bet Derek's house. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, people stuff
Speaker 1: the one thing, the one that gives me pause. I'd
Speaker 1: be I'd be shocked if Tank is still playing late
Speaker 1: into this game. The one that gives me pauses Dak
Speaker 1: because he's had some really good moments this year, he's
Speaker 1: had plenty of bad is momentum thing, How do you
Speaker 1: want to work that? I would. I would be kind
Speaker 1: of surprised if he plays all four quarters, but but
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't be surprised if he if he does,
Speaker 1: like I don't. That's the one that I really don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. And I think you can
Speaker 1: make an argument either way, like he needs to play,
Speaker 1: he needs the reps and the chemistry. Verse said get
Speaker 1: him the hell out of there, said it yesterday. I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know which I'll agreed on this, Jack Martin zero.
Speaker 1: These are quarters, yeah, Zeke one, Yeahack two? That is
Speaker 1: that is what I would do. Yeah, and Cooper to
Speaker 1: get Tank out of there. The other thing I would
Speaker 1: and that And that's that's exactly why I would sit
Speaker 1: Dak as well, because it's the same things out. That's
Speaker 1: when Dak's coming out. I don't put I don't take
Speaker 1: one out without the other. And yeah, and I agree
Speaker 1: with I mean, Darius Jackson wouldn't be on this roster
Speaker 1: right now if they were going to play Zeke all
Speaker 1: four quarters. I don't think um. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be judicious about this. The other things.
Speaker 1: You know, y'all know, I'm the guy that sits here
Speaker 1: every summer and is like, don't play anybody in these games.
Speaker 1: This isn't the preseason. You don't have ninety guys. Somebody
Speaker 1: has to play the whole way. You've only got forty six,
Speaker 1: So sorry, you know the MALIEK. Collinses and Coco Charlton's
Speaker 1: and Lyle Colony. Somebody's got to play this game. It
Speaker 1: just that's the way it works. But you you're injured players,
Speaker 1: you're Pro Bowl players there that will be smart here.
Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if they really go the distance in
Speaker 1: this game. That really is the key. You can say
Speaker 1: one thing, and we've heard, we've seen this before where
Speaker 1: Jason will say, yeah, we're playing this game, We're playing
Speaker 1: this game to win. You get to the game, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different. You can see the differences and
Speaker 1: how much guys are playing and win guys are out.
Speaker 1: So I think they'll be smart about this. I think
Speaker 1: he wants everybody to kind of get a taste. But
Speaker 1: at some point He's gonna be smart, I think, and
Speaker 1: make sure that guys are at least going to get
Speaker 1: a little bit of rest and not like you said,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't expect that Zeke's going to carry a full
Speaker 1: load this week, right the other things, Oh, go ahead,
Speaker 1: and I think we're about to say the same. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna try to convince you that the NFC East
Speaker 1: is the best division in football. It's absolutely not. It
Speaker 1: is not the best division in football. The Chiefs and
Speaker 1: the Chargers, they're the NFC South is pretty nasty, But
Speaker 1: give me a break. I mean, they got two teams
Speaker 1: right now that could get still. Eagles are for You
Speaker 1: got two teams alive, you could have two of the
Speaker 1: six teams to be from the East. The red Skins,
Speaker 1: despite everything that happened to them, we're alive up until
Speaker 1: a week sixteen, which no moral victories in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But that is an accomplishment in and of itself. To
Speaker 1: lose Alex Smith, to lose your whole defensive line, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: And they're still in it up to six and the
Speaker 1: Eagles look as scary as anybody in the league right now.
Speaker 1: And that's with a bunch of injuries on that. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that the division is trash,
Speaker 1: and especially you know, if the Cowboys had lost to
Speaker 1: Tampa and it worked out and they want it by default,
Speaker 1: all right, we can talk. But they won a game
Speaker 1: to clinch their division. That's accomplish. That's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about about it. They didn't back
Speaker 1: into it. And remember this, when you have a team
Speaker 1: that's a division that's not very good, you're the reason
Speaker 1: why they're not that good. You've put two losses on
Speaker 1: the Eagles, you put one on the Redskins, you put
Speaker 1: one on the Giants, and you know, maybe about to
Speaker 1: put two losses on there. So I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: reason why one team is a lot better than the
Speaker 1: others because they're the ones playing them and knocking them
Speaker 1: down that way. I mean. So, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's been it's been an average division, competitive for sure,
Speaker 1: and you know the Cowboys are got the hats to
Speaker 1: prove it. Ye all right, appreciate you never apologize for
Speaker 1: winning your division. Absolutely, all right, We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about Cowboys versus Giant.
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