1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Louke Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt today. Thank you 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Good to have you along with us. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Huge win for President Trump today at the Supreme Court. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: No other way to look at it with respect to 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship, a question that has been debated in Congress 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: for years. The Supreme Court today did not say the 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship question has been answered. They didn't say yes, 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: they didn't say no. They did effectively say maybe. Garrett 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Ebbs is a constitutional scholar. He's the legal affairs editor 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: for the Washington Monthly. Garrett, thanks for coming on. Effectively, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court decided today that the question can move 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: forward through the courts at the district level. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: And even more than that, they ruled that the district 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: courts are quite limited in the actions they can take 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: against the administration. Three district courts had simply issued an 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: order saying, you can't do this to anyone. You can't 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: take any baby and strip their citizenship away. And the 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: Supreme Court said, oh no, that's excessive, and you can 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: only apply your remedy to the parties to your litigation. 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: It's a very weird ruling for a provision of the 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: Constitution that applies to literally everybody to say that the 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: president can ignore it unless he is the subject of 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 3: a specific order. But that's what the majority did. 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: So this means that if somebody challenges a deportation order 27 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: saying my child's citizen, therefore you can't support my child 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: in some place in the United States in a district, 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: that means that another district federal judge cannot stop it 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: from happening. That's effectively what the ruling amounts to. 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: Right, you'd have to get a judgment from accord as 32 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: to your specific child or a specific group of children, 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: very you know, relatively narrowly defined. You couldn't just say, 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: you know, the order is blocked. That is no longer 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: a tool that federal judges have in their toolbox. 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: So the fourteenth Amendment is short with respect to this issue. 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: And I mean it just talks about born naturalized US 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: soil jurisdiction thereof the in the in the opinion, they 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: didn't say no, like they didn't say, look, we know 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: what we're getting out here. Let's just be very clear. 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: The fourteenth Amendment. The plot like, in the absence of 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: a no, it sounds like the president may They're saying, 43 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: the president may very well have an argument. 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they they They don't give any expression to that 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: at all except by silence. And Justice Sodomyora in her 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: descent points out that this is the president violating one 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: of the most fundamental rules of the Constitution that has 48 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: been affirmed by the federal courts and by Congress and 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: by the executive branch for the past one hundred and 50 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: fifty years, so that if there's any decision that you know, 51 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: you could say is wrong, this is as wrong as 52 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: it gets. And the court is saying, well, you know, 53 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: let's let's go slow and let's not get carried away. 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: Let's not block a lot of orders. It's it's, as 55 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: I say, a very weird decision. You can't figure out 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: what the court is thinking. They picked a very odd 57 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: case to go after, this so called universal injunction, but 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: that's what they did. 59 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Do you get a sense I read some of my 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: ors descent, and every decision today was six y three, 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: and every descent written somebody had their hair on fire, 62 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: and in this case she did as well. It seems 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to be presented with the constitutional 64 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: question of whether somebody who was brought here illegally, someone 65 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: who's here illegally, if they have a child, if they 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: are under our jurisdiction. You would think the Supreme Court 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: would love to tackle that legal question, and in fact 68 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: they're like and they're effectively rooting for lower courts to 69 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: get it take this cup from them. 70 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the fact is that's actually not really 71 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: by the standards of what we used to call law 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: a question, because the Supreme Court has ruled on it 73 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: repeatedly in the past. Congress has ruled on it repeatedly 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: in the past, and so has the executive branch as 75 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: recently is nineteen ninety five, all agreeing that the status 76 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: of your parents is not important if you are born here, 77 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: unless your parents are diplomatic personnel. That's the one exception. 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: If you are born here, you're an American citizen. And 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 3: for the President to be messing with this fundamental rule 80 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: of the post Civil War order, it's very troubling. 81 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Do you expect this to come back? I mean, certainly 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: at district court levels. It's going to happen in one 83 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: hundred district courts across the country. Do you expect it 84 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: to come back in front of the Supreme Court in 85 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: the next session. 86 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: I do. There is a weird little snapper in this 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: that was pointed out by Justice sodom Or, which is 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: the government can lose case after case after case in 89 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 3: the lower courts and simply refuse to appeal them to 90 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. And as long as it does that, 91 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 3: the rule doesn't apply to anything except the specific parties 92 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: that brought the case. So we may see, you know, 93 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: literally two tracks of citizens in this country, and the 94 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: government has shown that it is willing to play games 95 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: with jurisdiction, to play games with the issues presented. They 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: will do anything they can to defend this birthright citizenship order, 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: and we're kind of in for a very confusing period 98 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: of time. 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: Garrett Ebs, thanks so much. Good to catch up with you. 100 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Constant ductional law scholar, Legal Affairs editor, Washington Monthly. All right, 101 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: when we come back, this is a question that has 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: to be answered. We cannot go forward in this country 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: any longer without knowing the answer to the most simple question. 104 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: Is someone born in this country and their parents were 105 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: not legally allowed to be here are they a citizen? 106 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Are do they fit the standard of under our jurisdiction? 107 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: And the answer could be yes or no, but we 108 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: have to get the answer and then we have to 109 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: deal with it. That's all coming up next. Lou Penrose 110 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: sitting in for John Coleblt on the John Cobalt Show 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: k I AM six forty. 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Coblt on demand from KFI AM 113 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: six forty. 114 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Loupenrose sitting in for John Coblt on KFI AM six forty, 115 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: talking about the Supreme Court decision finally on the issue 116 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: of birthright citizenship. And it wasn't a yes. It wasn't as, 117 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't a no. It was a full maybe. And 118 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: we'll see now now where this goes effectively. The absence of. 119 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: A no. 120 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Is interesting to me because the Fourteenth Amendment is clear 121 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: all persons born or naturalized in the United States and 122 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. 123 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: Not many words, so you would think it would be 124 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: really easy for the Supreme Court to make the decision. 125 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: And I am happy with the strategy here. I am 126 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: very happy with the Trump's strategy of issuing executive orders 127 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: or otherwise calling on the State Department to interpret law 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: in such a way and then having somebody challenge it 129 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: they always do, and then having it go to a 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: three judge panel at an appeals court, and then a 131 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: full appeals court decision, and then work its way to 132 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. That's fine with me. Let's find out 133 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: what the rule is, because frankly, subject to the jurisdiction 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: thereof is unclear. Born in the United States is clear, 135 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: But subject to the jurisdiction thereof is That's the sticking point, 136 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: isn't it. I would contend that somebody who was in 137 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: the country illegally, if they have a child, they are 138 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: not subject to our jurisdiction. They can leave if they want. 139 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: How could that possibly be? How are they subject to 140 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: our jurisdiction? So I would argue that the Supreme Court 141 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: needs to make a decision on this so that we 142 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: can move on. And I'm happy to be wrong. And 143 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Trump's expressed the same thing. He's like, what, I don't 144 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: think it's true. I think it's for the children of slaves. 145 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: But going forward, we need to have the Supreme Court 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: make a decision and we'll deal with it. And I 147 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: think that's the right attitude. I don't know why so 148 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: many Democrats are afraid for this issue to go in 149 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: front of the Supreme Court. And that's what they're doing 150 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: with their functions and their actions through district court levels. 151 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: These are games that states and Trump haters are playing 152 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: with the issue to try and keep the issue from 153 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: being decided once and for all. And I think that's wrong. 154 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I think this is a healthy discussion. We are grown 155 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: ups in this country. Self government is messy work, and 156 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: that's why we elect problem solvers. I noticed in the 157 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Descent I think some of my or mentioned the chaos 158 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: that would ensue chaos is okay, Like, it's okay. We 159 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: can handle chaos. We can straighten it out. We can 160 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: sort it out. We can certainly move through the legislature 161 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: through Congress to sort it out. We can make changes, 162 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: we can make exceptions, we can grandfather in. Look, President 163 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: Obama instituted something called DACA. We now call it Dreamers. 164 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: DAKA stands for Deferred Action for Childlihood Arrivals. Now what 165 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: does that mean. That means that if you were brought 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: brought here as a child, like literally carried here, and 167 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: your parents crossed into the country illegally, then we are 168 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: going to defer action. Is that legal? Is that constitutional? 169 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the president's interpretation and the president's 170 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: directive to the State Department. The President of the United 171 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: States oversees the cabinet. They work for him. So the 172 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: State Department under the Obama administration was told, look, defer 173 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the action, which means, don't worry about the children, let's 174 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: work on other things. This president has a new State Department, 175 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: and that State Department works for Trump, and Trump can 176 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: say I'm changing that. So it's perfectly legitimate for the 177 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: President of the United States in his administration to issue 178 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: executive orders or direct his cabinet to interpret law the 179 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: way that he sees fit, and then if it's challenged, 180 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: it's challenged. This is all very healthy, there's nothing wrong 181 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: with this. But I think it is unhealthy to have 182 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: the question undecided. And I don't know why they are 183 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: throwing roadblocks and hurdles in front of the Trump administration. 184 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: If you can make the legal argument that a child 185 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: born of illegal aliens in this country illegally is actually 186 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: a US citizen and because they are under our jurisdiction, 187 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: then make your best case in front of the Supreme Court, 188 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and let's get decided once and for all, because it's 189 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: too messy. Otherwise, we really can't move forward having this 190 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: two level of citizenship. It doesn't make much sense to me. 191 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: The Fourteenth Amendment came out. It was literally proposed in 192 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: sixty six and not ratified until eighteen sixty eight. I 193 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: noticed the Fourteenth Amendment is nestled in between the thirteenth Amendment, 194 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: which ended slavery. The fourteenth Amendment made them citizens, and 195 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: the fifteenth Amendment gave them the right to vote. So 196 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: it seems to me that the people that were drafting 197 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: these amendments to the Constitution had one singular thing in mind. 198 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think there was a lot of international 199 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: travel going on in eighteen sixty three. I don't think 200 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: pregnant women traveled internationally much very dangerous to do that. 201 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Nobody came here, and there was no such notion of 202 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: illegal immigration in eighteen sixty three. So it is clear 203 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: to me that President Trump is right this was about 204 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the children of slaves. Having said that, it might just 205 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: be the case that the description applies and people that 206 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty five, someone that's born to an 207 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: illegal alien technically meets the legal definition under the fourteenth 208 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: Amendment of somebody born here in subject to our jurisdiction. 209 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't think it does, but it might. And so 210 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: they win the game. They played the game. They were 211 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: using an eighteen sixty three law or a yeah, eighteen 212 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: sixty three law, or a proposal and amendment of the 213 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: Constitution to make it appla trying to put a size 214 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: ten foot in a size eight shoe, and they were 215 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: able to get that shoe on and winter winter chicken dinner. 216 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: So if that's the case, that's the case. But one 217 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: way or another, I think it is better that we 218 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: have this discussion and have it out loud, and I 219 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: think that we are better off knowing one way or another, 220 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: and then we can do all kinds of adjustments. If 221 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: we have to grandfather people that happened before the decision, 222 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: who knows will work it all out. Speaking of which, 223 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: and I mentioned the FIRD action against Childhood Arrivals, there 224 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of people, and many that work at 225 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: the radio station, or not many. One that I know 226 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: of that is unhappy, not this radio station that is 227 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: very unhappy with the ambiguity of it. All, and I 228 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: think that's an unfair position that we're putting in far 229 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: too many people. So one way or another, we have 230 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: to go forward with this and talk about it. So 231 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: when we came back, we'll talk a little bit about 232 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: where we go from here with respect to the unanswered question, 233 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: in other words, what are Dreamers do now? Because we 234 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: have a significant amount of people who are no longer children, 235 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: no longer teenagers, but are still existing in this no 236 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: man's land of American society. They are able to work, 237 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: able to earn, they have no legal status, and they 238 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: have legal right under a former administration, and this administration 239 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: may or may not recognize the former administration's actions with 240 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: respect to DOCA. So we will find out what the 241 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: Dreamers are going to do. Not the only decision that 242 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: was made by the Supreme Court today also a big 243 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: ruling in favor of parents' rights and their ability to 244 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: opt out. So we will talk about that a lot 245 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: coming up today on the Supreme Court. But there's no 246 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: question that you cannot characterize this decision today on birthright 247 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: citizenship as a huge win for the Trump administration because 248 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: it keeps the ball in play now. The Trump administration, 249 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: which believes that children born to ethigalaliens are not citizens 250 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: of the United States. They can go forward now and 251 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: continue the process of deportation, and the family stays together 252 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: as they are deported. And the argument you can't deport 253 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: me because my child was born here no longer is 254 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: going to be something that's going to hold things up. 255 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: So we'll see where this goes. But as I said, 256 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: one way or another, we have to end this whole 257 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: discussion because it really is a matter of Congress at 258 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: this point, and it should be. If Congress wants to 259 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: make a decision and say, if you are a tourist 260 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: and you have a baby, that baby's not a citizen. 261 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: If you're in the country illegally and you had a baby, 262 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: that baby's not a citizen, they can make that law 263 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: and the President can sign it. You can amend the 264 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Constitution to make amendments to the fourteenth Amendment. You can 265 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: do all kinds of things. But I don't like this 266 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: No Man's land. Louke Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt 267 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: on KFI AM six forty. 268 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 269 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: six forty. 270 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Louke Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt today. Thanks for 271 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: tuning in. So talking about the Supreme Court decision, the 272 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: most high profile one, of course, this birthright citizenship question. 273 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, for the most part said the Trump 274 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: administration can go forward and the federal courts cannot do 275 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: a nationwide blocking of the President of the United States 276 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: to remove people who are in the country illegally, even 277 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: if they were born in the country because their parents 278 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: were illegal aliens. The President, you just heard it during 279 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: the newscast, said that it was intended the Fourteenth Amendment 280 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: was intended for the children of slaves, not for people's 281 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: scaled the system. I think that is clear. It might 282 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: be an artful but I think he's absolutely right. Let's 283 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: be perfectly honest about this. I mean, come on, everybody 284 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: knows the Fourteenth Amendment was about slavery. Now does the 285 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: definition work for an illegal alien who has a baby 286 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, that's the question before the court. 287 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: I don't think it does. I don't know how you 288 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: could possibly conclude that the baby of an illegal alien 289 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: is subject to our jurisdiction. Illegal aliens are not subject 290 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: to our jurisdiction. If they were subject to our jurisdiction, 291 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: they would do what we want, which is go home 292 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: and apply at the embassy in their home country. If 293 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: they were subject to our jurisdiction, we wouldn't have to 294 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: send the ice fan out for them. So it's a stretch, 295 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: a real stretch to say that they are to our jurisdiction, 296 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: especially since they can leave, like there's nothing stopping a 297 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: foreign national in the country illegally from leaving. Some are 298 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: so how can that be subject to our jurisdiction? That 299 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: they were born in the United States is true, and 300 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: so that will be ultimately the question before the Supreme Court, 301 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: and we'll deal with it. So the question came up 302 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: earlier about the anxiety I saw this on the news, 303 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: anxiety this entire debate is having on dreamers. These are 304 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: the people that were brought into the country by their 305 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: parents illegally when they were young. And I noticed that 306 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: the age keeps going up and up and up, like 307 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: when we talk about the children of illegal aliens. Sometimes 308 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about four year olds, sometimes we're talking about 309 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: twenty four year old. But they get older and older 310 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: and older every year, the age of year every year, 311 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: and they are still kind of sitting in no man's land. 312 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: And here's my answer to that. If you're asking me 313 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: to feel bad about the child of an illegal that 314 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: was brought into the country when they were young, this 315 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: is not the right day to ask, This is not 316 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: the right month to ask, and this is not the 317 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: right year to ask. After ICE completes all their warrants 318 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: and completes the process of finding people and having to 319 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: deal with the American citizen maniacs that are throwing rocks 320 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: at them or popping their tires or harassing them and 321 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: gets them in the back of the icevan and process 322 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: them for deportation. All that's over, and we go through 323 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: all the names of all the warrants signed by judges 324 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: of all people that are in the country illegally and 325 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: have problems on their record, whether it's coming back into 326 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: the country illegally, which is a felony or duy or 327 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: violation of a tro or a nonviolent crime, you know, 328 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: like salt of a spouse, so like domestic violence, like 329 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: all these people. Once all that is solved, and then 330 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: you want to come back and ask, politely, for the 331 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: grace of the American taxpayer, what do we do with 332 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: these people that were brought into the country when they 333 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: were children. Then we can have the discussion, but not now, 334 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: not today, not this month. The other question is, and 335 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: I think a decent one, is this our problem. I 336 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: don't think it is. I keep hearing the collective. We 337 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: we have to handle this problem. We have to do 338 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: something about this problem. If somebody is a child, or 339 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: if someone was born and their parents were illegally, that 340 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: isn't our problem. That's their problem. I get that it's 341 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: a problem. I respect that it's a problem, but it's 342 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: your problem. You should probably talk to your parents, But 343 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: they don't. They stamp their feet and they demand and 344 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: I think that is the worst strategy, especially giving the 345 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: passion of this administration to solve this problem. And by 346 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the way, with the wind at their back, there's no 347 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: question that things will continue in the direction they were going. 348 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: Nothing at the Supreme Court today signaled to me that 349 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: they are trying to rope in this administration. So the 350 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: quote unquote ICE raids will continue, and they are going 351 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: to continue in Los Angeles, and from what I have heard, 352 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: they will then move to San Francisco. I got word 353 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: that the Marines from twenty nine Palms will be in 354 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles for sixty days, but then maybe rotated out 355 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and then we'll support federal agents in San Francisco. So 356 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: this is going to go on. It's going to continue 357 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: to go on. And the news on Los Angeles television 358 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: has been overwhelm like they are trying to make you 359 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: feel bad each and every day. That's what we're down. 360 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: No longer are we discussing legalities. No longer are we 361 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: discussing federal law. No longer are we discussing the facts. 362 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: No longer are we discussing what and a violent crime 363 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: or a nonviolent crime is committed by somebody that was 364 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: in the country legally. No longer is a discussion about 365 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: eligibility to work in the country at all if you're 366 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: in the country legally. And they're not even talking about 367 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: how we're going to starve to death because nobody will 368 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: work in agriculture. Not only are they talking about how 369 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: nobody's going to have any waiters or bus boys. They're 370 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: not even going that route anymore. They have literally exhausted 371 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: all of those arguments, and now they just put crying 372 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: people on TV. Every day. KTLA is the worst. Every night, 373 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: there's just a crying person lead story. Somebody got busted 374 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: by ICE and their family is crime. So lou Penrose 375 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: Rule number six, there is no crying in the back 376 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: of the ice van. No crime. You can be mad 377 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: that you got busted by ICE. I suspect you're disappointed, 378 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: and I'll give you frustrated. You're allowed those emotions, but 379 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: no crying, no crime. I don't want to hear any crying. 380 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: Don't cry. What did you think was going to happen? 381 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: What was your plan when you left for work? So 382 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: no crime. I don't want to see any more crying 383 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: on the news. I don't want to hear anymore because 384 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's exhausting. You see these stories and you think, oh, 385 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: that's terrible, and then you read three paragraphs down and 386 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: they were in the country illegally and wanted for domestic 387 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: violence two years ago on an outstanding warrant and think, 388 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: oh okay, So back to Guatemalia. Go. Louke Penrose sitting 389 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: in for John Colebelt on KFI AM six forty Live 390 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 391 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM six. 392 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Penrose sitting in for John Covelt, thanks for tuning in. 393 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Good to have you along with us. The Supreme Court 394 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: didn't just rule on the issue of birthright citizenship today 395 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: a number of rulings all six to three. So there 396 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: is a clear philosophical difference on all these constitutional issues. 397 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: And the one we're going to talk about after the 398 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: News at two, they're calling it a huge success for parents' rights. 399 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: So this is so fascinating to me as the back 400 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: and forth over these changing communities. There's a community in 401 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Maryland where the local school is overwhelmingly New Americans from 402 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: Muslim countries. And that's not all. There's also a lot 403 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: of Orthodox Christians, So that's beautiful. You got Muslims and 404 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Christians living in harmony in Maryland at this local school district. 405 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: And the school district wanted to have material in their 406 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: curriculum that involved effectively marriage equality issues that means same 407 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: sex couples. And these are not just your run of 408 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: the mill Christians or run of the Muslims. These are 409 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: very conservative people, socially conservative people, very religious, and they 410 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: went nuts when they saw what was being taught to 411 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: their kids in the public school. And that's a hot 412 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: one for them. That whole man marrying a man, girl, 413 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: woman marrying a woman thing. So they did what good 414 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: New Americans do, and they went to their school board, 415 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: and the school board said, well, if you don't want 416 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: your kids to be involved in this curriculum, it's pretty simple. 417 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: You just sign this and opt out and you keep 418 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: your kid home that day, or we'll put them in 419 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: study hall. You've been through this, right, I mean, this 420 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: is not like a new process. I remember my sons 421 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: are now thirteen, fifteen and six team, but I remember 422 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: the first time I saw that letter that came from 423 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: health class. I think it might have been sixth grade. 424 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: And you know, should you have the right to opt out. 425 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about sensitive material with respect to 426 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: sexuality and reproduction, but if you're not comfortable with it, 427 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: you can opt out. And I'm like, no, I told 428 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: my wife, we're not opting out. I mean, what could 429 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: it be. They'll be fine. But I remember that event, 430 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: and so this happened to these parents. Well, wouldn't you 431 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: know it? Like the entire sixth grade opted out at 432 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: this elementary school in Maryland, like like everybody, And it 433 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: wasn't just the people that didn't want their children exposed 434 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: to this material that included some discussion of marriage equality. 435 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: But it was also the parents who had no problem 436 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: with having books that mentioned or referred to same sex couples. 437 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 1: But they didn't want the their parents to think that 438 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: they were heathens, right, So they didn't want their kids 439 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: to lose friends. I don't want to find out that 440 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: the oh Johnny is going to this you know, this 441 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: this harlet fest that they're throwing down there in health class. 442 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: So I don't want my kids playing with your kids 443 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: because your kids are dirty. Now they're looking at the 444 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: dirty books. So it became a huge mess. So what 445 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: happened was the court, the lower court decided that all right, 446 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: we need to take this to the Supreme Court because 447 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: the school district took away the opt out element. They said, 448 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, everyone's opting out. So we're just going 449 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: to make the decision. This is what we teach here. 450 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: This is public school. We're not going to have your 451 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: religious concerns influence the public school. So and everybody can't 452 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: opt that. If you want to opt out, then you 453 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: fully opt out, go to private school or homeschool. That 454 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: was the attitude of the school board in Maryland. So 455 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: a huge question of parental rights, a huge question of 456 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: public education, and it went all the way to the 457 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled that no, can't 458 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: do that. Parents pay the taxes, parents have a say 459 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: in the curriculum. Parents have the right to say what's 460 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: going on. And if the parents want to opt out, 461 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: they have every right to opt out. Even if the 462 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: entire grade opts out, you have to let them mop out. 463 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: So a huge ruling in favor of parents' rights, and 464 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it with ABC News legal analyst Royal Oaks. 465 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: But two things that are going to happen as a 466 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: result of this won't end because I suspect the parents 467 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: will opt out and it will just be a weird 468 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: day for the sixth graders at that elementary school. And 469 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: then there is an effect that happens that I notice 470 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: every time this takes place. There is what I call 471 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: the are you their god, it's me Margaret effect? The 472 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: are you there, god it's me Margaret effect is if 473 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: everybody gets there nickers in a twist over a certain book, 474 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: then that becomes the most popular book in the elementary 475 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: school library. Everybody got their nickers in a twist when 476 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: I was in fifth and sixth grade over the Judy 477 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Bloom classic are You There, God, It's Me Margaret, and 478 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm dating myself now, And it was like it was 479 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: on a booklist. And then some parents were said, Ah, 480 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: the kids are too young to get into that coming 481 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: of age stuff, puberty, sexualizing youth. You don't want to 482 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: do that, can't wait till high school. And then of 483 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: course the are you there, God, It's Me Margaret book 484 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: in the in the stacks in the library at the 485 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: elementary school became the hottest thing never there. Everybody always 486 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: checked it out. Everybody knew it was page fifty nine, 487 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: Like that's what tends to happen. So there is an 488 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: interesting kind of overreaction that happens, and all these books 489 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: are going to be the hottest commodity. Now everyone's going 490 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: to know what are the books all about? And this 491 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: then becomes new thing. So that will be the first 492 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: effort that takes place. And of course the second, the 493 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: second reaction to all this is you are going to 494 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: have some parents that don't want their children playing with 495 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: your children. And then there is the other question. These 496 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I looked at these books, some of these book covers 497 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: were in the decision. And I have seen some of 498 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: the naughty books that the school districts here in California 499 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: are insisting on thrusting upon the third graders and fourth graders. 500 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: And these books in California are sex manuals. The books 501 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: that were discussed in Maryland and the case made it 502 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: all the way to the Supreme Court, referenced same sex marriage. 503 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: So there is a real difference here. And I think 504 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: we can be a grown up enough society to say, look, 505 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: I get your cultural beliefs, and I get your religion. 506 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: We are Western, we are modern, and same sex couples exist, 507 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: so to reference them in a book, even for children, 508 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: doesn't really cost too much of a problem in our culture. 509 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: That like, there's a huge difference between referencing same sex 510 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: couples in a children's book and the absolute sex manuals 511 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: that they are trying to push on children. You know, 512 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: out In was in Temecula Unified School District. So I 513 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: think we need to make that distinction, and we'll do 514 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that and also talk with ABC legal analysts where oaks. 515 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: That's all happening Following the news at two, lou Penrose 516 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: sitting in for John Coblt on KFI AM six forty 517 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 518 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John Coblt Show podcast. 519 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 520 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 521 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.