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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Katie Couric and this is next question.

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Speaker 1: I first got to know Chelsea Handler a number of

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Speaker 1: years ago when I was anchoring the CBS Evening News

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Speaker 1: and our team invited her to the White House Correspondence dinner.

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Speaker 1: Needless to say, we had a blast and we have

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Speaker 1: been friendly ever since. I would say friends, but I

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Speaker 1: don't see her that often, but when I do, I'm

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Speaker 1: always really happy. So I was thrilled when she told

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Speaker 1: me she would do an interview for this podcast all

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Speaker 1: about her new book called I'll Have What. She's having

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Speaker 1: kind of a riff on when hearing met Sally. Of course, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Chelsea is really really funny, but she's also very thoughtful

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Speaker 1: and a very good writer. Her writing, in fact, is

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Speaker 1: full of heart. So we had a fun conversation and

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Speaker 1: talked about everything under the sun. I hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: listening to it as much as I enjoyed having it.

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Speaker 1: Here's Chelsea Handler. Hi, Hi, how are you going? You

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Speaker 1: look great. I was just watching you with Sophia Bush.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Chelsea, don't do everyone before you do me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know so many podcasts now, It's like,

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Speaker 1: The list of podcasts. I think we can start, because

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a million things and I know

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Speaker 1: what this is like. But first of all, Chelsea, I

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Speaker 1: loved your book. Thank you, Katie, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It's music to your ears. I know when somebody says that,

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Speaker 1: because as someone else who's written one book, not eighty

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Speaker 1: seven like you have, it's always nice that someone actually

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Speaker 1: read the book, loved the book and tells you that, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you need that kind of affirmation after

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's always nice to hear that someone enjoyed something

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Speaker 3: that you wrote.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I loved to hear that. I don't depend on it,

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Speaker 2: you know, because that's a slippery slope as well.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.

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Speaker 3: If you hang your hat on that, then you hang

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Speaker 2: So I like to just kind of be in.

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Speaker 3: A neutral zone where I don't need a lot of affirmation,

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Speaker 3: but it's always very welcome to get it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, it was so much fun reading it. Before

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Speaker 1: how you're surviving this really actually pretty devastating and terrifying time.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer

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Speaker 1: All of those things.

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Speaker 3: But I'm like Okay, Well, all you can ever really

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Speaker 1: We have to become. Let's be like together, Chelsea Handler,

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Speaker 1: because I am right there with you. Well, let's talk

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Speaker 1: to let everybody know what this book is about. It's

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Speaker 3: Well, the lemonade stand. I, first of all, I needed

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Speaker 3: Listen, you have to I've read so many self help

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Speaker 1: But it's also I think you may clear in your book, Chelsea,

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Speaker 3: You have to then make it. You can't just know

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Speaker 1: If you will. If you want to get smarter every

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Speaker 1: dot com. Did you ultimately feel like you found balance?

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about all the people who can't afford therapy,

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Speaker 2: Whether it's my house, my friends, my shirt, my hair, whatever.

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Speaker 3: Just stay it, be grateful. It creates gratitude around you,

439
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 3: and it creates abundance. Like all of these things are true.

440
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: I've been down the road with everything, so I wouldn't

441
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: be talking about it unless it was authentically.

442
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: The stuff that I do. And I can can see

443
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: the change.

444
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: And I think in order to really be grounded, you

445
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: have to know and understand and respect yourself, Like you

446
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: have to have the confidence of your convictions and.

447
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Speaker 2: Know that wherever you are in life, you're the reason

448
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: that you're here.

449
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: You got yourself this far, and it's it's very likely

450
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 3: that you're going to get yourself a lot farther, just

451
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: based on the fact that you got yourself this far.

452
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: So like there's data, you know, we're providing data for ourselves,

453
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 3: So that's you should have in confidence and then be

454
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: instilling yourself with confidence every day.

455
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Speaker 1: I was very interested in reading about confidence in your

456
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: book because I think when I give talks or people

457
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: ask me questions, a lot of times it does revolve

458
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: around confidence, especially for women, and I love that you've

459
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: had a solid sense of yourself, although it's been tested

460
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: at times in your life too. But I wanted to

461
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: read a couple of paragraphs because I really liked them.

462
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: When you got fired from your job as a receptionist

463
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: at a law firm, right, and you write, I didn't

464
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: care that he called me stupid. Some lawyer had called

465
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: and said, when can we fire the blomb bimbo? That's

466
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: the receptionist, right, And it was you he was asking me, Right,

467
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: So you said I didn't care that he called me stupid.

468
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't stupid. I've been called stupid many

469
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Speaker 1: times in my life. I've been called dumb, obnoxious, trashy, raunchy, crasts,

470
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: a fake, and various other things throughout my career. I've

471
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: been all of those things at certain moments, but not

472
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Speaker 1: one of those words in cup who I Am. If

473
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: this had happened on a different day, I would have

474
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: walked out of that law office in tears. None of

475
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: that happened because he caught me on a day where

476
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: I felt good about myself, hopeful about the future, even

477
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: though my life was anything but stable in that moment,

478
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: I was my true self that day, and I was

479
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: grounded in that idea that I would set out to

480
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: do what I came to California to do, to make

481
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: a living at being me and the grand scheme of things.

482
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: This man didn't matter at all. He serves as a

483
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: reminder to me on the days when I do not

484
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: feel strong, confident, or hopeful, to tap into the version

485
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: of me who does, to know that every feeling passes,

486
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: that no moment in time is permanent, and that the

487
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: truest version of who we all are is confident, hopeful,

488
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: and resilient. I just love that because you know, I

489
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Speaker 1: think you conceive that. Not every day you feel that way,

490
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: but there is that part of you you can always

491
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: call on when you're not. Yeah, it's like leaning on

492
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Speaker 1: someone else's show.

493
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: You know, as women what we have to do and

494
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: extend the kindness we have to extend to each other

495
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Speaker 3: in the name of sisterhood.

496
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: It's like, if you don't.

497
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 3: Have that at your disposal in that moment, lean on

498
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 3: your own sisterhood, like you have yourself to lean on,

499
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: and that's also the strongest shoulder in your life. So really, too,

500
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 3: we have to have, you know, the ability to know

501
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: how valuable we all are, every single one of us.

502
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Speaker 2: And it's a good reminder.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just thought it was a great pep talk

504
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: to yourself and ergo a great pep talk to the reader,

505
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: and you talk about sisterhood. Jane Fonda, you also write

506
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: about you all were friends, and you know she had

507
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: you come over to her house for dinner because she

508
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: was pissed. It kind of the energy you were admitting

509
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: at a John Lewis fundraiser, And I thought that was

510
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: as you talk about that being a true sign of sisterhood,

511
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: that she would take the I'm an effort to kind

512
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: of tell you that and be so brutally honest that

513
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: you were really grateful, and it kind of shook you

514
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, didn't it. Absolutely?

515
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: And what she said to me and summoned me over

516
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: to her house and kind of told me that my

517
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: behavior was bad and that I had acted badly and

518
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: offended people, it was pretty mortifying to hear.

519
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: Not pretty mortifying, it was mortifying.

520
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: I was horrified at myself, and I had just been

521
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 3: to therapy for enough time to understand that being defensive

522
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: is just an admittance of being wrong. You can't be

523
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: defensive when someone's telling you something about yourself, and if

524
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: it's not true, then you wouldn't be defensive anyway because

525
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, you know, it's just simply not true.

526
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: So it was true what she said to me. And

527
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: through even the mortification of hearing that and being so

528
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: disappointed in myself and being so horrified that she was

529
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: disappointed in me, the overarching theme of that moment I

530
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: remember thinking was like, Wow, she's really being a great,

531
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: big sister to me. Like that's the kind of sister

532
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to be to some two other women.

533
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: And I think people who can be really honest about

534
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: their feelings, like I wasn't really honest about something that

535
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: happened between you and me, and it was really not you,

536
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: but it hurt my feelings, and I wish I had

537
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: just said to you, Chelsea, it really hurt my feelings

538
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't defend me on your talk show. What happened. Well,

539
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but I had

540
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: a syndicated talk show. It wasn't a very good fit

541
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: for me because I'm kind of a news for her,

542
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: as you know, but you were nice enough to come

543
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: on the talk show, and at one point I was saying,

544
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I was really excited that Jennifer Aniston was getting married,

545
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, because I really liked her. I was happy

546
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: for her, and I think I must have said something like,

547
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, are you going to the wedding? You know,

548
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: just like what you do on daytime talk shows, right,

549
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: And then she came on your talk show and you

550
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: meant it in a nice way, and she said, I

551
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: thought Katie Kuric didn't Katie kirk used to be a journalist,

552
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: and I thought it was such a diss and maybe

553
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: she was trying to be funny or I don't know what,

554
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: but I felt like you should have defended me and said,

555
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: but she was really being nice and trying to be

556
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: really supportive and loving towards you. But you didn't, and

557
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: it hurt my feelings.

558
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: So now i'm oh, oh I did, because I think

559
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: you did say this to me before. I remember, Yes,

560
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: I remember you being upset about it, and I remember

561
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: being surprised. I don't know if you texted or email me,

562
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: but yes, you definitely did. So, first of all, don't

563
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: see you did to stand up for yourself and you

564
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: don't even.

565
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: Remember maybe dementia is another one of my problems. We're

566
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: all we don't worry, we're all going we're head in

567
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that direction.

568
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: But I'm glad you said it again nevertheless, And yes,

569
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: I don't think it didn't even cross my mind that

570
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: she was dissing you in that moment.

571
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I think she really coflecting. Yes, I didn't read it

572
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: that way at all. No, maybe I'm hyper sensitive about

573
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

574
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: Well maybe, I mean, maybe not, I don't know. I mean,

575
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: it was it either way. It's not the you know,

576
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: it's not like such a big dig.

577
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: I know, well kind of if I know, for somebody

578
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: who's spent her whole career trying to be taken seriously

579
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: and being really proud, I think. But that's what I mean.

580
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: I think everyone does take you seriously, can't correct, so

581
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: from my lips to your ears, I think you can

582
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: count on that.

583
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. I feel much better now. But yes,

584
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: I feel like even though I texted you, I feel

585
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: like we had never really talked about it.

586
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 3: So well, thank you for bringing it up and my apologies.

587
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

588
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I understand where you're coming from.

589
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: I get it, Okay, Thank you all. Right. Somebody asked

590
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: me to ask you. You're known for being fearless. What

591
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: is the one thing that still scares you? Oh? What

592
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: scares me? Oh? God?

593
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: The commitment to any sort of long term commitment, whether

594
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: it be to a person, or to a job, or

595
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: to living somewhere.

596
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Like, I like you like freedom. I think you value

597
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: freedom above everything. Yeah? Yeah, what is it about commitment

598
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: or about being tied down scares you so much? And

599
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure with therapy did you talk about that? Is

600
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: that your parents' marriage. I'm trying to figure that out.

601
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: I think I don't look at it as a fear

602
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: of something. I want to be free. I want to

603
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: be able to fly around the world. I want to

604
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: be I love a sense of like when something's impromptuo,

605
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: I love spontaneity. Like I look at it as like

606
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: I just want to like fly if anything that could

607
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: prohibit me learning and growing and traveling is like oh,

608
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: and so yes, I could see.

609
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: How it would be a fear. But I think through

610
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: therapy I learned that it's okay that.

611
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: I have these feelings.

612
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: It's okay that I don't desire a long term romantic commitment.

613
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: It's okay. Instead of wondering what's wrong with me. It's like,

614
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: I want to love you. Yeah, I want a lot

615
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: of lovers. I want to have a lot of sex

616
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: with lots of different guys. I want to have lovers

617
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: in different parts of the world. That's okay for me

618
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: to say, and that's true. That's how I feel.

619
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Speaker 1: And I love loved the section about your COVID crush

620
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: on Andrew Cuomo. You know, he's running, he's running for

621
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: mayor Chelsea, so he's probably going to be in the

622
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: public eye a little bit more. But I mean, you

623
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: are so funny. You were turned on by Andrew Cuomo

624
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: during his press conferences during COVID because he seems strong

625
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: and in charge and telling everyone what to do. And

626
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of women actually had a crush

627
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: on Andrew Cuomo during that time. And then you became

628
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: super obsessed with his nipples. I don't know where I was,

629
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: but I missed Nipplegate tell me about his nipples. People

630
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: were so I can't believe I'm asking you to tell

631
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: me about Andrew Cuomo's nipples. I'm so glad that you are.

632
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: He would be in those browarning press conferences, you know,

633
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: with his crew he had that like, you know, first assistant,

634
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: that woman who was like this badass and would just

635
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: yell at everybody. And he had that white those white

636
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: golf shirts on sometimes you would wear like a shirt,

637
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: a business shirt, you know, a suit shirt.

638
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: But his nipples were always protruding, like they were always

639
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: very hard.

640
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: So then people were speculating on the internet that he

641
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: may have had nipple piercings. And I knew enough to

642
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: know that no straight man over sixty has his nipple pierced,

643
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: you know, white guy, Why why would he do that?

644
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: So but then when I went to investigate the nipple situation,

645
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: because I did believe I was going to be penetrated

646
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: by him, I went and zoomed in on his nipples

647
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: and realized there was a far worse situation percolating.

648
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: He had droopy nipples, his nipples were headed in a

649
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: southerly direction.

650
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Katie and I had never faced a storm like that before,

651
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: so that made me rethink everything.

652
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, you had a text flirtation with him that lasted

653
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: some time. You were even planning to rendezvous. He said

654
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: he was open to dinner at the governor's mansion. You

655
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to date him. You just want wanted to

656
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: have sex with him, and then the worst possible thing happened.

657
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He ghosted me. So sad what happened? To talk about

658
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: a bullet dodge?

659
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: My sister's like, you seem to get out of all

660
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: these situations just in the nick of time. I think

661
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: somebody in his office caught wind of him talking to

662
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: me and realized what a bad look that would be.

663
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: In the middle of telling everyone to stand six feet

664
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: apart for me to be like.

665
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: And then some of your then your sisters or somebody

666
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: suggested you guys have sex outside.

667
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: And from behind that way, Yeah, double safety with masks on. Yes, yes,

668
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: of course, Katie. Obviously if you're going to take it

669
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: from behind, you need a mask. And it never No,

670
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: it never happened.

671
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: This is probably this is probably the I don't know,

672
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: the most risk a podcast I've ever done. Good.

673
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: I'm glad to serve up my purpose. I'm happy, I'm

674
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: happy to provide that for you. And yes, he ghosted me.

675
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: I was debit stated because it was in the middle

676
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: of COVID, so people in COVID who were not in

677
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: relationships were scared.

678
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I know I was.

679
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh my god, is this it like,

680
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: are we ever going to be able to interact again?

681
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Like a sex is gonna happen.

682
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: So when he came on the scene, it was like

683
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: a mirage, and I just thought, I'm gonna I have

684
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: the advantage of being a public person if I put

685
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: it out there that I want to have sex with him,

686
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: kill here about it, and then I'll hear from him.

687
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened, until it didn't happen.

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: So is it over? Do you think there's a chance

689
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: this relationship could be I don't know, restarted in some way.

690
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's seen, it's I think

691
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: it's over now you do think, I'm sure as soon

692
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: as he hears all of me telling everybody the story,

693
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: that will really be the nail in the coffin. But

694
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: the nail in the coffin was when he was removed

695
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: from office for being a sexual predator.

696
00:33:51,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: So, so, somehow did you lost interest? I lost interest? Yes,

697
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you also about that story about

698
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: President George W. Bush. I didn't realize you and Barbara

699
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Bush were friendly. Obviously George W. Bush's daughter twins with

700
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Jenna Bush Hager, and you went to Kenny Bunpoort with

701
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of your whole crew. Right. Yes, we went there

702
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to go there.

703
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: I was resistant, and they were like, no, no, come on, well,

704
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: you don't take this opportunity away from us, Chelsea. We

705
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: want to go to Kenny Buckport. We want to go

706
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: to the Bush Compound. And it was to play pickleball.

707
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Another ridiculous aspect of that day.

708
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: I know we'll discuss pickleball in a moment. Because I'm

709
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: a pickleball lover, you're a pickleball hater.

710
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: I would expect nothing less than you being a pickleball lover.

711
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: I know that you would love that. That is so funny.

712
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: And then I know you love skiing top lists. I mean,

713
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: we're two very different people, Chelsea, two peas and some

714
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: sort of odd pod exactly exactly. And George W. Bush

715
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: charmed the pants off you. Well, not literally, but he

716
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: was charming. He was definitely charming, you said. The way

717
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the former president paid attention to and spoke with my

718
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: brothers made all my guard rails fall away. He charmed me.

719
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: I found him delightful with his riggage, good looks, and

720
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: he had dimples too, which helped me rationalize these new

721
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: feelings as so I reminded myself that it was really

722
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Dick Cheney who was the puppet master responsible for the

723
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: war in Afghanistan and the response to nine to eleven.

724
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: This is why I could never be a politician or jurer.

725
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I would constantly change my mind based on people's dimples

726
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: and good looks. He is very charming, isn't he.

727
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: Yes, and he's very nice, and so was the former

728
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: First Lady Laura Bush. And she's got dimples too, So

729
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: it was kind of like a dimple affront.

730
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

731
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I had no defense against all those dimples.

732
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: All right, why do you hate tickleball? Chelsea Handler? And

733
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to remind you I was literally on the

734
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: cover of Pickleball magazine. Just if anybody is interested coffees,

735
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: you're still available. I just was.

736
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: Thinking, though, this is off topic, but I was just

737
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: thinking when you were telling me about the Jennifer Anison

738
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: thing and how your feelings were hurt, I was thinking,

739
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like I've publicly defended you a lot.

740
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, no, I haven't had to,

741
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: because you don't need defending.

742
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: But I do. I want you to know how.

743
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: Many times I've brought up that Sarah Palin interview to

744
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: journalists where I'm like, Katie Kirk did not receive the

745
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 3: credit she deserved for taking down Sarah Palin, because if

746
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: it were not for Katie Kirk's interview with Sarah Palin,

747
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: she would have become the vice president. Like that was

748
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: at a time where discrediting someone actually mattered, and you

749
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: did that.

750
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: So I wanted to say I wanted to put that

751
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: on the record.

752
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chelsea. I do think actually I got a

753
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of credit from people and journalists because you're right,

754
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. I mean, there's a whole another conversation

755
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: we can have another time or off the podcast. But

756
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't really matter now these kind of

757
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: interviews because everyone is so cemented in their views that

758
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: they would a not see it or be call it

759
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: biased or whatever. It just it's we live in a

760
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: world where up is down and down is up and

761
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: there's no kind of nuance. It's just black and white

762
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. But thank you. I'm very proud of

763
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: that interview only because I think it was fair and

764
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I think it was very revelatory that she was not

765
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: ready for prime time and really not equipped to run

766
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: the country. And at the time, people may have forgotten

767
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: that John McCain had had cancer four times, and you know,

768
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: he was considerably older, and you know, there was a

769
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: real possibility that he could have you know, I really

770
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: like John McCain. Yeah, me too, and uh but you know,

771
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: that was a very powerful position to be a heartbeat

772
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: away from the president at that moment in time, and

773
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: Obama at that moment was also flatlining in the polls.

774
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of dipped and I always thought

775
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: he should have sent me a bouquet of flowers. But

776
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: that's okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, anyway, thank you. I

777
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: appreciate you pointing that out. But back to pickleball, Why

778
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: do you hate it so much?

779
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: That's too important, that's get it back to the basics.

780
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't hate pickleball.

781
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: I just think it's ridiculous how enthusiastic people are about it,

782
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: and how.

783
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: You're kind of a contrarian. You love to hate things

784
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: that people love. Yes, it's a cult.

785
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: When there's a cult like reaction to something I have,

786
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: I removed, I'm like, oh, even if some everyone's watching like,

787
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: you know.

788
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Really like the Menenda's brothers.

789
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: I have to wait until everyone's done and then I

790
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: go in because I don't like to I don't like

791
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: to be led.

792
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: I have to feel like it's my own decision. You know. Yeah,

793
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: I have a little of that in me too. You know,

794
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: if something is super popular, I kind of tend to

795
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: not like so I kind of I totally get it. Yeah. So,

796
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: but pickleball just is.

797
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: I had my girlfriend, my girlfriend Wendy call me one

798
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: day and she said, oh my god, I played pickleball yesterday.

799
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: She goes, I'm so sure today, and I.

800
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: Just fell over laughing, and she was so offended. She

801
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: was like, am I come on, you're sore from pickleball.

802
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: That's not even a real sport. And then she got

803
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: so she kept she kept doubling down. You do move

804
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: around a lot, Chelsea. No, I know, I know you

805
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: do move but she she was doubling down on it

806
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: and getting so defensive that it just made me realize

807
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: how seriously people take this pickle It's just too much.

808
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: It's like everyone needs to relax. Meanwhile, I also loved

809
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: you talking about your nieces and nephews, and I know

810
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: people have offered their unsolicited opinion about the fact that

811
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: you have chosen not to have kids. You never really

812
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: wanted to have kids. But one thing that comes through

813
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: in the book is how incredibly maternal you are and

814
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: how generous you've been to so many people, your nieces

815
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: and your nephews and obviously your siblings and your friends.

816
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: And when people understand these deep, profound relationships you have

817
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: with so many children, do they shut up and stop

818
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: judging you for not having your own? Yeah?

819
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: But I mean the people that are really judging me

820
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: about not having children aren't around me, you know what

821
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, they're not seeing this, so i'd ever

822
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: even you know, when I was thinking of things to

823
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: share in this book that I hadn't shared before, that

824
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: was an element that I realized, Oh, I have so

825
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: many of these close relationships, and people, don't people just

826
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: assume I hate children.

827
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I don't hate children. I just don't

828
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 1: want them.

829
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: It's a big difference, because you know, it's to me,

830
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: it's like you know your taste in things.

831
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: It's like do you like purple or do you like blue?

832
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

833
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: It's just a choice that is innately mine to make

834
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: and the idea that anyone would have any misgivings about

835
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: it or opinions about it is ludicrous and so stupid.

836
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: And it's also why I wanted to share it to

837
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: the book is an example of the bandwidth that you

838
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: create for yourself when you don't have your own children,

839
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: and how many other children's lives you can impact just

840
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: by the freedom of not having your own family.

841
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, especially with public figures, it's so easy

842
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: to make them completely one dimensional, right, and to stereotype

843
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: them and put them in a box and kind of

844
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: say they are this. But I always think of Walt

845
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: Whitman and the fact that he said we contain multitudes,

846
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: and it's very hard, I think, when you're a public

847
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: figure to make that clear to people. And I think

848
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, that was a really great thing for you

849
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: to include. And I love the letter you wrote to

850
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: them about being polite and respecting. I mean, it was

851
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: a long letter where you kind of had had enough

852
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: of them in your house during COVID, right Chelsea, it

853
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: was during COVID, and you basically said, these are my

854
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: expectations for you. I thought that was such a great letter.

855
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would like to xeroxet

856
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: and hand it out to some of their relatives. I

857
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: don't have that situation, but you know, I think it's

858
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: easy to take advantage of people and not treat people respectfully.

859
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: And I love you know that you said you need

860
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: to be respectful of people who come in my house

861
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: and do things. I think which was a message of

862
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: be as kind to the doorman as you are to

863
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: the CEO. Basically that everyone deserves or respect. What was

864
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: their reaction to that letter. Were they taken aback or

865
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: did they appreciate it in hindsight? I think, you know,

866
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: after a while they did it.

867
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: At first, I think everybody was very defensive, you know

868
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: well who it was very much like that. And then

869
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Speaker 3: when they sat back and thought, like, why would I

870
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Speaker 3: take the time to write this letter?

871
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Speaker 1: It was actually after several vacations.

872
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: It was not just COVID, it was we had been

873
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Speaker 3: on several vacations together during COVID right over the years too.

874
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, I want to spoil my family.

875
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: I always have, and I was part of the problem, admitted,

876
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: I was setting up these really lavish vacations and thinking

877
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: everyone was just going to behave gratefully forever.

878
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a wake up call for all

879
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, that's true. You're right, I think for

880
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: yourself too. We're almost out of time because I know

881
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: you're doing like eight thousand podcasts to promote this book.

882
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you about your love life

883
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: if I could. I know that you decided you didn't

884
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: want to write a book about falling in love with

885
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: Joe Cooy because you had broken up. Then you didn't

886
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: want to write a breakup book. You write a little

887
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: bit about that, but you don't write too much. And

888
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm curious if because this was your first public relationship,

889
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: right and people knew about it, did you decide I

890
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: don't like that, I'm not going to share that side

891
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: of my life with people. I've got to keep something

892
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: sacred in private. Well, it's just more.

893
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Speaker 3: For the people that I'm involved with that are private people,

894
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, if they're not a

895
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: public person, it's kind of it's silly to drag them

896
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: into the public life, Like why would anyone want that?

897
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: So I'm old enough now to know not to Like,

898
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: if I'm with another public figure, then that's a different story, right, Right,

899
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Speaker 3: But if I'm with a private person, like I don't

900
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Speaker 3: want anyone to have to be exposed to this.

901
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: And so I know you want a lot of lovers,

902
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: and I commend you for that, Chelsea, and just please,

903
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Speaker 1: you know, make sure you have protection. But I mean,

904
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Speaker 1: do you yearn for you know, I'm a real relationship person.

905
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like a one man woman. And do

906
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you ever yearn for that? And are you in a

907
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: relationship now? Can you spill the tea with me a

908
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: little bit.

909
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: I'm in some casual things right now. I wouldn't call

910
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: anything a relationship. I'm having a lot of fun and

911
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: with people that I like and that I know.

912
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: But do I yearn for that? It is not something

913
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Speaker 2: that I yearn for.

914
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Speaker 3: It's not something that I would completely renounce and say

915
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Speaker 3: it's never gonna happen.

916
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: But no, it's not something that I need.

917
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Speaker 3: I Again, it always comes back to like read them

918
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: like I want to sleep in.

919
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: My own bed. I want to be alone a lot

920
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: of the time.

921
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Speaker 3: I love having visitors, but I'm never gonna I'm not

922
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Speaker 3: living with some man, you know what I mean, or any.

923
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Speaker 1: Man ever ever. But maybe I mean, you're it sounds

924
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: like you're not maybe a part time situation, a part

925
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: time situation, but you're open to a deep relationship. Yes,

926
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Speaker 1: of course. Of course happened to Joe Coy. Can you

927
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Speaker 1: tell me or not? Really?

928
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Speaker 3: I mean we just had different ideas of what a

929
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: relationship was like, and I wasn't up for that kind

930
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: of relationship.

931
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Uh huh. He wanted to be sort of more together

932
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: all the time, and you wanted to see him a

933
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of time. Yeah.

934
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of togetherness and a lot of just

935
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: kind of old fashioned ideas about relationships.

936
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Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, that's just not who I am.

937
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: And you know, everyone knows who Anyone who knows me

938
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Speaker 3: knows how I feel.

939
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it shouldn't be a surprise. Yeah, definitely. Well, I

940
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: know this is coming out in your birthday. You're turning

941
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Speaker 1: the big five. Oh gosh, I'm jealous, Chelsea. Do you

942
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: know that in January I turned sixty eight? Oh but

943
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: so what that's amazing.

944
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: Sixty eight is amazing.

945
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: Look at you. You still are cute at sixty eight.

946
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: You're still so cute.

947
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: I always say this about you, and I've said this

948
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: to you, that you have one of those spaces like

949
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: Jennifer Aniston. Ironically, that will always be pretty like as

950
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: a woman, no matter what age, You'll always have this

951
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 3: cute pirkiness, like this youthfulness that and you still do

952
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: you still do have that.

953
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: Thank you. I wasn't fishing for a compliment, but I'll

954
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: take it anyway. And by the way, I like Jennifer Aniston.

955
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't want her to think there's bad blood between us.

956
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's really concerned, but I really think she's great.

957
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: All right, where are you jetting off to next Chelsea? Well,

958
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm here in Whistler. I'm at my house in Whistler.

959
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: I have some friends that are in for the weekend

960
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: and we're going to have a little preliminary birthday party

961
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: for me this evening with a bunch of my scheme,

962
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: my ski family, and my ski friends here. So that's

963
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: what I'm getting ready for today and then I'm off

964
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Speaker 3: to New York.

965
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: I always love seeing videos of you skiing topless.

966
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: Well, there'll be a new one coming out on my birthday.

967
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: They're editing it right now. Yeah, what's your relationship? I'm sorry,

968
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: I meant to ask you this because I'm curious. What's

969
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: your relationship with drugs?

970
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: And alcohol these days, Chelsea, because I know you've kind

971
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: of you know, it will also shock you that I'm

972
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: not really into drugs and I drink very rarely occasionally,

973
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, I drink wine or I have a cocktail.

974
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: But You've had this very interesting kind of on off

975
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: relationship with drugs and alcohol, and I know, during this

976
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of intense period when you started meditating and taking

977
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: care of yourself and really kind of to figure out

978
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: what was going on inside of you, you gave it up,

979
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: and I'm curious what the situation is now.

980
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: Well, funnily enough, I had this. I had to get shoulder,

981
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: I had to clean out. I had an infection of

982
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: my should So that forced me into a month of

983
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: sobriety because I'm on intravenous antibiotics every day, so I

984
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: haven't had it well. I just had to drink yesterday

985
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: for the first time, or the day before.

986
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was a month that was nice. I welcomed it.

987
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: It was a nice kind of breather before I had

988
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: to hit the road and do all my press for

989
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: my new book.

990
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: So that was nice.

991
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean, my relationship is I'm always pro I'm always

992
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 3: pro microdosing alcohol I have mushrooms. Do you like mushroom

993
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: love LSD microdose? I love edibles, I love marijuana. I

994
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: love all of it. I mean that's never really changed,

995
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: so it just depends. I go in cycles. Sometimes I

996
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: love everything. Sometimes I don't do anything. But I have

997
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: a pretty healthy relationship with it. I've never gotten to

998
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: the point anytime I've been in my youth and gotten

999
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: to the point where I thought I was abusing it.

1000
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: I've taken a long break, so I never wanted to

1001
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: get to the point where I had to give it up.

1002
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: And I think I've done a pretty good job that.

1003
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: I was going to say. The book is called I'll

1004
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Have what She's having. That sounds very appropriate given what

1005
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: you just said. I've never had mushrooms, I know, but

1006
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: mushrooms are so fun. You would just laugh your ass off,

1007
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: Katie and that. And I know when people can do

1008
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: druves or not, you would love mushrooms, you would.

1009
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: I light micro dos, just the giggly kind, all right, Well,

1010
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: duly noted. Maybe if I do it one day, I'll

1011
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: do it with you. Yeah, I know you like to giggle,

1012
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: so you're gonna like it. All right. Well, I'm so

1013
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: happy to see you. Congratulations on the new book. It

1014
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: was really fun being with you and talking to you,

1015
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: and good luck on the book tour. Thank you so much, Katie.

1016
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: Where are you going to be all over the country?

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00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm coming to Northvale, New Jersey on the twenty

1018
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: fourth and the ninety second street, Why the twenty fifth?

1019
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: Then Boston. Oh, who's interviewing you at the y Tinks? Oh? Fun,

1020
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Speaker 1: Tinks is interviewing me?

1021
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: Yes, and then I'm going to Boston, Cincinnati, Seattle, La.

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Speaker 3: So go to Chelsea Hamler dot com if you want

1023
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: to come see me on my book tour where I'll

1024
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Speaker 3: be giving talks and be in stores.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, all right, We'll have fun and big

1026
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Speaker 1: kiss and thanks Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: Love you, Katie.

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