1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Start reading your Violins infrastructure proposal, and I'm trying to 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: be fair, but one thing that stands out. They propose 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: a hundred billion dollars for clean drinking water, a hundred 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: billions for the electrical grid, a hundred billion in high 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: speed broadband, a hundred billion of workforce development. I mean, 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: that is remarkable. What are the odds that in each 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: of these categories the number we need, the investment we 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: need would be identical, and then in each category that 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: would be a nice round number, like a hundred billion dollars. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: That's Wisconsin Rep. Mike Gallagher making the obvious point that 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: if it's a hundred billion, if they're all a hundred billion, 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: obviously you're just picking a number out of thin air. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: I have a new favorite congressman. That is great and obvious, 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: but I hadn't anybody else say it. That's terrific. I 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: want to ask about that with our guests, but I 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: got another question first, and I'm very hot to tront 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: about excellent our guests, the most wonderful longhe chan sounds 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: like I want to date them. It's respect, professional respect. 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: He is the David and Diane and Stephy fellow in 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, Director of 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University Lon He how are you, sir? 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: I am doing well this morning. How are you? Guys? 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: You actually have Dodgers fan on your Twitter like handily, 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: that's how that's how you do. And I saw in 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: the cover of one of your baseball magazines that the 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Dodgers might be the best team in the history of baseball. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how much hyperbole yesterday? It looks awful. Noh, 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: that happens. I got a hundred and sixty one left 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: to right this ship, so I gotta burn my saddle, 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: and that's literally through our road to borrow to work. 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: But this, this story has got me very, very angry, 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like we've crossed yet another line. So 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: this whole Georgia voting rules thing President Biden got four 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: pinocchios from the Washington Post, among others they could have 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: given out for his various whoppers about this makes Jim 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Crow look like you megal, there are you cutting off 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: voting at five? Complete lie? Nobody is allowed to have 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: a drink of water? Complete lie? All these kind of things. 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: Is this does? Does Joe Biden know what he's doing. 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: Have we have we crossed some sort of line now 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: where politicians have figured out, Look, there's too many news sources. 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Most people are only getting their news from our side. 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: We no longer need to even attempt to be truthful. 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: What is going on? Here's a policy guy explain it 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: to me. Well, it's a great question, and it speaks 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: to how politicized we are that we look at something 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: like this, that we should be able to sort of 48 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: sit down and say, Okay, what are the elements of 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: this uh and what does it do and have a 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: reasonable discussion about it. But that's not what we're looking 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: at the fact, end of this morning, I was just 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: looking at a descriptions of the law and what it 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: would actually do, and looking at one outlet that is 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: considered to be more conservative and then looking at another 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: outlet that's considered to be more liberal. I thought they 56 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: were talking about two different pieces of letislation. I mean, 57 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable how differently urnalists, supposed journalists can describe 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: and shade and write based on what their political views are. 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: And you know, it's even worse than politicians to pick 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: up on it. I mean, this notion, for example, that 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: the that the Georgia law. You know, you mentioned the 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: drink of water thing. You know, they say, oh gosh, 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: you can't you know, you can't even give someone a 64 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: drink of water. Uh, that's actually not true. The law 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: specifically says that you can make self service water receptacles 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: available to voters waiting a law. What you can't do 67 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: is give money, gifts, food, or drinks to voters within 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty feet of a polling place where 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: twenty five ft of voters that are waiting to vote. 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: In law, which you know, I mean, that kind of 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: makes sense, right. We have the electioneering anti electioneering laws 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: in California to every state has them, so we just 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: gotta be a little careful about how torqud we get 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, think our politicians don't help with that. Do 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: you think this is a moment we're passing through in 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: terms of the relationship of the people, the media and 77 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: the government or is it just going to keep going 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: in this way in this same direction. I realize you 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: don't have a crystal ball, but um, you know, I 80 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: think it's gonna continue to get worse before it gets better. Unfortunately, 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: because politicians. The incentives they have in many cases are 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: to appeal to two extreams or to appeal to these 83 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: sort of very hard edged critiques. And we're in an 84 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: era now where there's a benefit for politicians to double 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: down on on stuff even if they're wrong. They double 86 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: down right. And we've seen this over and over and 87 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: over and I don't care what the situation is, right 88 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: or left. You know, people are wrong, they just kind 89 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: of double down and say, no, I'm not wrong, you're wrong, 90 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: back and forth. Is that's what results in the kind 91 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: of caustic, difficult environment we have. How would you not 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: be cynical? I mean, I don't want to beat this 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: into the ground. But Jen Saki was asked about it yesterday. 94 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: So the Washington Post gave President Biden for pinocchios. If 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: you don't know what that means, that means it's a 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: complete lie. When Joe Biden said they're not voting at 97 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: five o'clock, you get off work, you can, it's just 98 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: not true. So they asked Jim Sake about it yesterday, 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: said are you going to back off that or double down? 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: She said, We're not backing off anything. What you know, 101 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: what lan here we're getting into the weeds of philosophy 102 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: here a little bit. But I think conservatism is handicapped 103 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: by the fact that we want to conserve what is 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: good and what has worked in the past, and that 105 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: is not served by outright lying, outright slander. Whereas the 106 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: revolutionary left, they they believe that they're ordained by God 107 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: or Karl Marx or somebody or to do whatever is necessary. 108 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: Maybe Abram X Kennedy has given them there they're you know, 109 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: has annointed them um and so they are willing to 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: slip throats, as it were, and often the guy who 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: fights dirty winds that troubles me as a conservative. He 112 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: raised a really good point, which is, even if you 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: think about the word that many liberals used to describe 114 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: themselves now, which is progressive, you know, sort of hidden, 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: not even hidden. I mean in that word directly is 116 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: the word progress. And the implication, of course, is that 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: there are some who want to progress and some who 118 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: don't want to progress, when in fact, I think that 119 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: contrast is obviously imatic, it's false. But I do think 120 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: that there is something about even how we talk about 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: the two sides that's become somewhat loaded. Uh. In our society. Look, 122 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: I think conservatives the challenge that conservatives have, in my view, 123 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: is that too often they haven't been willing to stand 124 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: up and say, this is what we actually stand for. 125 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: And what troubles me is too often it's here's what 126 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: we stand against. And I think it's important that conservatives 127 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: are willing and able to articulate, like, hey, what is 128 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: it that you actually want to do, and and look 129 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to stand by it. And not everything is going to 130 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: be popular. Certainly we know how a lot of the 131 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: mainstream media will respond to it. But by and large, 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: I think you're going to get farther along. You actually 133 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: stayed affirmatively there's the things we want to do, rather 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: than just standing there and saying, well, we don't like that, 135 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: we don't like that. So that is one thing I 136 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: wish conservatives as a whole would be better. Progressives aren't 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: ashamed of saying they want to have government takeovers of 138 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: health care or completely uh you know, with the case 139 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: of the infrastructure bill, you guys were talking about essentially 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: completely push out private sector involvement with a large amount 141 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: of public sector spending. They have no hesitation to arguing 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: that's what they want to do so. I do think 143 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: having at a point of view and being able to 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: stay in affirmatively and strongly is good. Here here we 145 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: do need to talk about that big infrastructure using my 146 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: finger quotes here, Um, is that going to pass? Do 147 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: you think? Well? You know, look, they're they're gonna do 148 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: the same thing at the end of the day that 149 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: they did with that huge two trillion dollar spending package 150 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: we've already passed, which is they have one more bide 151 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: the apple using a process called recasciliation, which is Democrats only, 152 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: So if they wanted to go in that direction, they 153 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: could again later this year. Um. Not everything that has 154 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: been proposed by the President will make it into the 155 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: final package, but they do have the opportunity to do 156 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: it if they want. And what's so interesting is it's 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: you can't you can't call this an infrastructure package right 158 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: because it's it's got so much more stuff in it. 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: But every ride up I see refers to it still 160 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: as an infrastructure package, spending package. That's what it is. Well, 161 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: it's just like everybody referred to the COVID Relief Bill 162 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: as the COVID relief Bill, even though it including Fox News, 163 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: which just made me crazy. You. Uh, do you ever 164 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: eat meet any of Matt Gates's girlfriends? Uh? Fortunately I 165 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: have not, and at the playground about it on TV, 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: nor have I've been asked about it on TV. In 167 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: a somewhat awkward moment for Tucker Carlson, it was as 168 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: as Tucker said, that was one of the weirdest interviews 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: he's done. It's one of the weirdest interviews I've scene. 170 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how about how about Gates trying to rope 171 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: it in? You remember, Tucker, that girl well went out 172 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: and I don't know what you're talking about. Dude, so uncomfortable. 173 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Lon Eachen, David and Diane Stay if you fellow in 174 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, Lan He's 175 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: there's so much we could talk about. We don't want 176 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: to take too much of your time, but we sure 177 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: look forward to the next time. Thanks. Hollywood for ugly people. 178 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: Isn't that what they call Washington d C? Although now 179 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: now it's just Hollywood East because it's more and more 180 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: pretty people. They're performers, they're not legislators. They're just Instagram 181 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: stars or or YouTube sensations are