1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perilla offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,039 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. Joined 4 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 1: by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:41,759 Speaker 1: Mike Gravel. Find out what led to some of the 6 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: greatest moments in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 7 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian Hoyer. 8 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 9 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison. 10 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,079 Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. Search 11 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:02,359 Speaker 1: for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 12 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, you know, you know, legendary coach, you know 13 00:01:08,559 --> 00:01:10,999 Speaker 2: in the excess he had here, and yeah, what a 14 00:01:10,999 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: great place Chapel Hill is. So you know, anytime you 15 00:01:13,039 --> 00:01:16,198 Speaker 2: have a legendary you know, NFL coach going back to college. 16 00:01:16,199 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: I think it's school. It was pretty interesting for me. 17 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:21,879 Speaker 2: I think it's not official yet, so I think you 18 00:01:22,519 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: would love Chapel Hill and was a great spot. So 19 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: Cole thinks, yeah, I said, nothing official, but no cool 20 00:01:28,559 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: thing for the Hall of Fame coach, go back and 21 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,879 Speaker 2: coach college kitchen decision and have you recruited him with 22 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:38,719 Speaker 2: North Carolina blof sweatshirts or anything like that. Yeah, no, 23 00:01:38,919 --> 00:01:42,078 Speaker 2: no contact. You know, worried about you know, this weekend 24 00:01:42,119 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: and you got my own games to worry about. But 25 00:01:44,119 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: you know, no insider info. You spent so much time 26 00:01:46,679 --> 00:01:48,519 Speaker 2: Damian blues with the Patriots and thinks you'll look good 27 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:50,839 Speaker 2: in Carolina blue. Yeah, I think anybody looks good kind 28 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:53,959 Speaker 2: of the special color. And no, Colin got some Navy 29 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:55,879 Speaker 2: in it as well. Give a lot of friends back there. 30 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:57,839 Speaker 1: Do you have any sense of what the locker room 31 00:01:58,039 --> 00:01:59,599 Speaker 1: might want for their next cook? 32 00:01:59,839 --> 00:02:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not really, haven't really talked to you of 33 00:02:01,399 --> 00:02:03,719 Speaker 2: the guys, and most of the guys in my class 34 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 2: they'll be gone their seniors, so uh, they're no really 35 00:02:06,639 --> 00:02:09,118 Speaker 2: rapport with the young guys. And yeah, I'm sure they'll 36 00:02:09,119 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 2: be excited. And you know, I think anytime you know, 37 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:14,559 Speaker 2: defensive defensive mind and showed you know, you got that 38 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,439 Speaker 2: defense rolling. And it's a fun spot, you know. I 39 00:02:17,478 --> 00:02:19,319 Speaker 2: think it's a great spot and a great coaching Jaba. 40 00:02:19,399 --> 00:02:21,319 Speaker 2: I can't blame him. It's awesome place. 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: How was your first five weekend? 42 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:25,039 Speaker 2: How did you kind of strike the balance between one 43 00:02:25,038 --> 00:02:26,478 Speaker 2: to get away from football and kind. 44 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: Of easy to move it, but also reflect. 45 00:02:27,999 --> 00:02:30,038 Speaker 2: And try to prove. Yeah, I think we were here 46 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:33,279 Speaker 2: fire till Tuesday and got a practice and then then 47 00:02:33,839 --> 00:02:36,518 Speaker 2: I'm away home and and kind of reset and then uh, 48 00:02:36,559 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: you know, still watch football kind of, you know, like 49 00:02:38,399 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: a fan. You'll watch some games and watch college you know, 50 00:02:41,119 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: those common champions are pretty cool, and then watch some 51 00:02:43,799 --> 00:02:46,559 Speaker 2: NFL games on Sunday. But I really just kept, you know, 52 00:02:46,559 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 2: looking on Arizona. I think you can't get get by 53 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:51,279 Speaker 2: from You can't go a week without at least caring, 54 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:53,159 Speaker 2: you know a little preview in what they do and 55 00:02:53,679 --> 00:02:56,358 Speaker 2: kind of introduction. So uh, you know, got back this 56 00:02:56,399 --> 00:02:58,559 Speaker 2: past weekend and you're looking forward to you know, getting 57 00:02:58,559 --> 00:03:01,039 Speaker 2: out there. What stands out about Arizona's defense for you? 58 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:03,879 Speaker 2: Fly around? You know, I think they're flying around. I think, uh, 59 00:03:04,079 --> 00:03:05,559 Speaker 2: it's hard down to see. You know, go to Baker 60 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 2: on film. You know he's flying around. He's a great player, 61 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:09,439 Speaker 2: and they do a lot of different stuff and and 62 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: kind of different different fronts, you know, mix up coverages, 63 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: you know, place of man and you'll bring all out 64 00:03:14,519 --> 00:03:16,078 Speaker 2: on you. So I got you got a lot to 65 00:03:16,119 --> 00:03:17,599 Speaker 2: prepare for and we've got a tough challenge. 66 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:21,758 Speaker 1: Obviously, you've grown both great super both Hunter and Austin 67 00:03:21,758 --> 00:03:23,999 Speaker 1: said this week that you're taking a sack on that 68 00:03:24,038 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: third down which led to field points. 69 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:28,638 Speaker 2: It's kind of a growing thing for you to say, 70 00:03:28,758 --> 00:03:30,719 Speaker 2: not try to make a big, big play and I 71 00:03:30,839 --> 00:03:31,719 Speaker 2: turn the ball over out. 72 00:03:31,799 --> 00:03:33,559 Speaker 1: Can you see in those little things you learn, those 73 00:03:33,559 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: little things that you. 74 00:03:34,279 --> 00:03:36,319 Speaker 2: Go about into No, No, you're trying to emphasize those 75 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,719 Speaker 2: little things that you're protecting the football and not putting 76 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:41,359 Speaker 2: in harm's way and to save points. I think, you know, 77 00:03:41,359 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: it's a tough balance because I want to make plays. 78 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:44,799 Speaker 2: You want to, you know, put seven on the board, 79 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,799 Speaker 2: especially in the red zone down there. So it's definitely 80 00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:48,959 Speaker 2: a tough balance. But I think, you know, defense in 81 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,319 Speaker 2: the league are good. Sometimes defense wins the play and 82 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:53,399 Speaker 2: you're kind of finding the best answer and the best 83 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:55,719 Speaker 2: thing I'm doing that play is sometimes the best decision 84 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 2: for me and your coach TC. Maybe people doing a 85 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,039 Speaker 2: good job kind of in our room of going through 86 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,599 Speaker 2: those situations and kind of let me know, you know, hey, 87 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:04,639 Speaker 2: there's a situation in the game on the sideline if 88 00:04:04,679 --> 00:04:06,399 Speaker 2: you have a timeout and some some scenarios like the 89 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:08,879 Speaker 2: end of the half stuff. But I think they're definitely 90 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:13,079 Speaker 2: red zone emphasis needs to be fresh those games to sweet. 91 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:13,959 Speaker 1: As a fam just observed. 92 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:17,118 Speaker 2: Is there anything in you said this teas to the 93 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,319 Speaker 2: high stakes. 94 00:04:18,159 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: Of opportunities to put you off the applications. 95 00:04:20,318 --> 00:04:21,759 Speaker 2: And there's probably a different level. 96 00:04:21,558 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: Of intensity. 97 00:04:24,719 --> 00:04:26,518 Speaker 2: The games, was. 98 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: There that way? You're reppetting off to get a game. 99 00:04:29,799 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: For that, no doubt, especially when you haven't you know, 100 00:04:34,438 --> 00:04:36,238 Speaker 2: we haven't felt it, and you know, I haven't really 101 00:04:36,599 --> 00:04:38,678 Speaker 2: experienced a playoff game, and you always hear about what 102 00:04:38,678 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: it's been in the past year with the playoff games 103 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: in the environment, you know, hearing Jillette, and you know 104 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:45,238 Speaker 2: the advantage of us, you know, bringing your teams that 105 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,838 Speaker 2: may not be you know, more accustomed to the cold 106 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: and the cold weather, and you know watching you know, 107 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:51,999 Speaker 2: Tom and those guys, uh, you know, duke it out 108 00:04:51,999 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: and and those runs they had special and I think 109 00:04:54,078 --> 00:04:55,999 Speaker 2: you want that feeling. And those guys in the locker room, 110 00:04:56,039 --> 00:04:57,519 Speaker 2: you know, some of them had it, but a lot 111 00:04:57,519 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: of young guys haven't. So I think we're striving for that. 112 00:04:59,438 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: And you can use this last four games as a 113 00:05:01,479 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: as a challenge and you know as a step to 114 00:05:03,599 --> 00:05:06,238 Speaker 2: you know, hey, what do we have and what we 115 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: got here on this team and you know who can 116 00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:11,758 Speaker 2: help us and who can make some plays for you? 117 00:05:12,359 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: Does it create urgency into next year? That type one says, 118 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: see South, well these fast as we can get an emergency, 119 00:05:25,558 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: you want to be Nobody wants the season like this 120 00:05:27,719 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: year again. 121 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,079 Speaker 2: You know. I think it's you know, two years of 122 00:05:30,198 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 2: a row of you know, a season like this, and 123 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:33,638 Speaker 2: you know you start to worry. So I think there's 124 00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:35,758 Speaker 2: definitely emergency in the You see it in those guys, 125 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 2: and you see it in spressing the veterans, and especially 126 00:05:38,318 --> 00:05:40,158 Speaker 2: me and the quarterback. You know, as the quarterback, there's 127 00:05:40,159 --> 00:05:42,639 Speaker 2: the emergency to get to that point and you'll fix 128 00:05:42,678 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: these things or or work on them and get better 129 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,238 Speaker 2: and use the last four games as a kind of 130 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: stepping stools. 131 00:05:47,999 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: The most important thing for you career over the. 132 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:51,238 Speaker 2: Last four games for Pregnant Sea. 133 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: You've talked you over in here by kind of cutting. 134 00:05:52,799 --> 00:05:54,878 Speaker 2: Down of turnovers, taking here of the football, do you 135 00:05:54,919 --> 00:05:57,238 Speaker 2: have a singular focus and forwards the kind of messed 136 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 2: up here. I think it's a great optunity to you'll 137 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,838 Speaker 2: continue that next type of leadership. You have four games, 138 00:06:02,078 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 2: the last four games of you know, being you know, 139 00:06:04,599 --> 00:06:07,439 Speaker 2: starting quarterback, and it comes with a responsibility, but you'll 140 00:06:07,438 --> 00:06:10,238 Speaker 2: take a new step or getting in uncomfortable situations or 141 00:06:10,558 --> 00:06:12,639 Speaker 2: doing some things to the line of scrimmage that you know, 142 00:06:12,678 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: little things like that that can go a long way 143 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: and kind of getting experiences for the next year. And 144 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 2: I think, uh, anytime you're facing you know, we're facing 145 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: the Bills twice, we'll see them a lot down the road, 146 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure, and we'll have a lot of challenges. Any 147 00:06:24,159 --> 00:06:26,319 Speaker 2: time you see, you know, face a division opponent like that, 148 00:06:26,999 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: get ready for years to come. Communicate that sense of 149 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,118 Speaker 2: urgency you're just describing to some of your receivers. You know, 150 00:06:34,159 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: it's an opportunity for them, young guys, buffs going into 151 00:06:37,159 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: the first the second year there like this is a 152 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 2: chance here for four. 153 00:06:40,039 --> 00:06:42,558 Speaker 1: Weeks to kind of build something for us. 154 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:45,198 Speaker 2: Oh for sure they know that too. I think they 155 00:06:45,239 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: know that. I think you know, those guys are you 156 00:06:47,438 --> 00:06:49,079 Speaker 2: kind of seeing you know, seeing their eyes and seeing 157 00:06:49,078 --> 00:06:50,998 Speaker 2: the way they're practicing that, Hey, this is kind of 158 00:06:50,999 --> 00:06:52,879 Speaker 2: a step for me to show showcus what I can do. 159 00:06:53,159 --> 00:06:54,678 Speaker 2: I'm so those guys in my class, and I think 160 00:06:54,678 --> 00:06:56,318 Speaker 2: they're ready for them. To give them some chances. That's 161 00:06:56,359 --> 00:06:58,639 Speaker 2: all me too, And to give some chances and you know, 162 00:06:58,799 --> 00:07:00,519 Speaker 2: not force the ball, but you know, you know, give 163 00:07:00,599 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: some opportunities to go make some plays because you see 164 00:07:02,799 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: in practice and you just want to see in the games. 165 00:07:05,719 --> 00:07:09,318 Speaker 1: Has been working at the center on return and going 166 00:07:09,359 --> 00:07:11,639 Speaker 1: back to the first games of the training camp for 167 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,639 Speaker 1: you with justin your center, how would you describe the difficulty. 168 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:17,879 Speaker 2: And that what are the keys? Yeah, you know anytime 169 00:07:17,958 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 2: new center, you know, just getting the snap. You know 170 00:07:19,679 --> 00:07:21,719 Speaker 2: Jaobe always preaches that and you'll get the snap and 171 00:07:21,719 --> 00:07:23,799 Speaker 2: and good feet first, So getting the snap is always different. 172 00:07:23,799 --> 00:07:25,959 Speaker 2: So getting accustomed to, you know, a new center. You 173 00:07:26,039 --> 00:07:27,959 Speaker 2: kind of you had a good feel with with David 174 00:07:27,999 --> 00:07:30,159 Speaker 2: throughout camp a little bit because of the starter and 175 00:07:30,679 --> 00:07:32,319 Speaker 2: you want to you know, he's going to be in there, 176 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,719 Speaker 2: and kind of when Ben came, kind of you know, 177 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:36,799 Speaker 2: feel go with beIN under there and you're knock on wood. 178 00:07:36,799 --> 00:07:39,279 Speaker 2: But I think that's the biggest thing is just getting 179 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:41,159 Speaker 2: accustomed to him and Cole's you know the nice job 180 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:42,879 Speaker 2: of you know, kind of geting acclimated into practice and 181 00:07:43,679 --> 00:07:45,999 Speaker 2: took a few, you know, took a few snaps of 182 00:07:46,039 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 2: them from them the other day and I just kind 183 00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:50,159 Speaker 2: of you're getting that center quarterback, you kind of bond. 184 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:52,439 Speaker 2: You need that in any football team, and it's special. 185 00:07:52,559 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 2: So thank you. 186 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:58,359 Speaker 1: Yes, Patriots Playbook, join John Brook as he brings you 187 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,159 Speaker 1: all the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from 188 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:04,359 Speaker 1: Patriots HQ. 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