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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here show about things falling apart.

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Speaker 3: The thing falling apart this week is me after watching

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Speaker 3: nine hours of Clinton testimony.

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Speaker 4: The past two days. Can relate. I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by Sophie LECHTERBD to discuss guys.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Sophie, hey.

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Speaker 1: To discuss the Clinton testimony. I was gonna say, can

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Speaker 1: relate after you know you fortunately missed that Clinton speech

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Speaker 1: at the DNC in twenty twenty four. Clinton, that was

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Speaker 1: a really really, really really long hour of my life.

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Speaker 4: That's a long speech for a guy of that age too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were together during Hillary's speech. We did

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Speaker 1: catch that when we're in the pit. I think that's

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Speaker 1: when I got COVID. I got the Clinton COVID. Hillary

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: That's when we were up close and personal with the

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Speaker 1: Clintons last. Now they're back.

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Speaker 3: They've never been more back, They've never been more I

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Speaker 3: completely agree. If you don't want to hear the voices,

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Speaker 3: I've tried to limit it, but there's gonna be some

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Speaker 3: the voices of Hillary and or Bill Clinton. This is

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Speaker 3: your chance. If you want to hear me talk about

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Speaker 3: Hillary being asked about everything from spies to aliens and Quanon.

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Speaker 3: It's again, this is your sign to continue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm excited. Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get started, because there's probably more more to

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Speaker 3: cover than what we'll be able to so. On February

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Speaker 3: twenty sixth and twenty seventh, Hillary and Bill Clinton respectively

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Speaker 3: testified in closed door hearings about their relationship with Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Epstein and Glaine Maxwell. The Clinton's refers to Penia to

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Speaker 3: testify in this Bipartisan House Oversight Committee investigation into the

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Speaker 3: DOJ's handling of the Epstein investigation back in August of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. For months, they pushed back against having

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Speaker 3: subpoenas were quote unquote invalid and legally unenforceable, and that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair, they did let other people give

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Speaker 1: little shitty statements.

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Speaker 4: They so did.

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Speaker 3: That is something that Hillary specifically brought up during.

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Speaker 4: Her deposition more than once.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so let's start with Hillary's because that was the

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Speaker 3: first one. In her opening statement, she said she had

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Speaker 3: who was a software developer. Waite brought Glaine to Hillary's

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Speaker 3: any criminal activity relating to Glayne Maxwell, specifically before her

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Speaker 3: advocate around that time. Hillary refused to answer a question

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Speaker 1: Was who asked that question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what a great question. Hey, Hill, babe, is

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Speaker 3: She said that her husband had a limited relationship with

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Speaker 3: This could, in fact just be simply because the Trump

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Trump got into office at twenty sixteen. Clinton was in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, prior to Epstein's like first conviction.

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Speaker 3: Pat found also tried to characterize a twenty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's so dumb.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of stuff like that, So a

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Speaker 1: This was peak Hillary. I feel like a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's fiercely intelligent. Yeah, fiercely intelligent, and.

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Speaker 1: But I really hated the take where people were like,

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Speaker 3: Hillary said that she never solicited funds for Jeffy Epstein,

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Speaker 3: About an hour in Nancy Mace asked Hillary Clinton if

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Speaker 7: I think if they are fully released, as the Transparency

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Speaker 3: It is certainly an odd question to ask if the

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Speaker 3: After this, Hillary has asked about whether Jeffrey Epstein was

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Speaker 8: Would you say he's one of the world's most prolific

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Speaker 7: I don't know what to compare it to. There are

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Speaker 8: And you were you said you were Secretary of State

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Speaker 8: that's correct. During your time as Secretary of State, did

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Speaker 9: Please?

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Speaker 3: This is an interesting exchange to me. Yeah, so Mace

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Speaker 3: Right first to a part in Hillary's opening statement about

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Speaker 3: It's this interesting just break in not really understanding how

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Speaker 1: Notice that as well.

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Speaker 8: Would you say the US government at that time, during

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Speaker 7: I don't think that you could say that was true

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Speaker 7: How we've done with this? If you guys are doing that,

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Speaker 2: This is just typical behavior.

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Speaker 7: We all are abiding by the same rules.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to have I've done for now, fair up

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Speaker 4: Pretty shocking stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's no defense for that. That's that's wild and uh

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Speaker 3: When they went back on the record, Chairman Comer discussed

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Speaker 4: No follow up on.

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Speaker 3: After returning from off the record, the minority, the Democrats,

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Speaker 7: I think from the very beginning, the behavior of the

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Speaker 7: Either one of those should be the focus of this

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Speaker 4: Dressing room, I was.

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Speaker 4: The thing this is between Hillary and Nancy Mace.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for a fun night.

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Speaker 8: Your littlest girl was a little naughty.

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Speaker 11: How does that make you feel?

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Speaker 12: It makes me sick?

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Speaker 11: If you can also read the EFTA zero zero eight

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Speaker 13: It's an email to Jeffrey Epstein if you could just

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Speaker 13: And the just the main body of the context of email.

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Speaker 11: Whoops, How does that make you feel?

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Speaker 8: It's bizarre. I don't know what it means.

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Speaker 13: The reason I asked you to read both of these

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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with Hillary?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the exact thing that I wrote down. This

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Speaker 1: They wanted soundbites of her reading weird things.

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Speaker 3: It's a humiliation ritual, right, It's yeah, there's no reason

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Speaker 14: In twenty fourteen, Epstein met with William Burns, who was

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Speaker 15: Excuse me, could you say what year that was?

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Speaker 16: Again?

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Speaker 17: In twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 10: Twenty fourteen, he met with William Burns.

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Speaker 17: Were you aware of that?

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Speaker 7: I wasn't secretary of state in twenty fourteen?

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Speaker 3: Okay, embarrassing stuff. Yeah, she was not secretary state in

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Speaker 3: The people in this committee should know this. They should

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Speaker 3: They continued to get like dates wrong throughout this hearing

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Speaker 3: facts wrong.

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Speaker 1: That gives me pause for a number of reasons. But

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Speaker 1: it just makes me think about, you know, if they

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Speaker 1: were actually talking to somebody that they needed to deeply press,

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Speaker 1: that they would not get the results needed. It gives

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Speaker 1: me a major pause that they have lack of confidence

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Speaker 1: in this committee to do their jobs.

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Speaker 2: But it's just.

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Speaker 1: Frankly embarrassing that these are elected officials and they can't

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Speaker 1: even get their dates right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an extremely serious matter, and these are

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Speaker 3: the people doing oversight.

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Speaker 1: This is not a laughing matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are totally incompetent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Lauren Barber then asked a very leading question about when

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Speaker 3: Hillary learned her husband was spending time with a registered

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Speaker 3: sex offender.

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Speaker 18: Missus Clinton, when did you first learn that your husband

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Speaker 18: was spending time extensively with a registered sex offender?

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Speaker 7: He did not after he was convicted, years after Bill

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Speaker 7: stopped having any.

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Speaker 18: Were there any activities that raised any red flags to

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Speaker 18: think that he could be charged of sex crimes during

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Speaker 18: the time?

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Speaker 7: Are you at has awareness yes, of Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 18: Of any red flags being brought to your awareness, to

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Speaker 18: your family's awareness, while your husband was spending time with

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Speaker 18: Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 7: I have no recollection of anyone bringing any red flags

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Speaker 7: to me.

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Speaker 3: They continued to ask about her husband, and she just

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Speaker 3: had to She just had to keep reiterating it, like

478
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Speaker 3: the committee will have a chance to question her husband tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: Like they could ask him about his relationship with this

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Speaker 3: Epstein tomorrow. There's no use in her speculating about her

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Speaker 3: husband's relationship. They can just ask him, literally in less

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Speaker 3: than twenty four hours. But they just kept they just

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Speaker 3: kept going.

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Speaker 1: Classic No.

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Speaker 3: One of the more bizarre moments, they quoted Epstein referring

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Speaker 3: to Hillary being prettier in person. And this exchange is

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Speaker 3: interesting because of the way it suggests the committee's interpretation

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Speaker 3: of certain statements made by Epstein, when I think they

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Speaker 3: probably infer something to the opposite bizarre.

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Speaker 1: It's like weird misogyny going on.

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Speaker 18: So regarding the Epstein files, there are many files where

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Speaker 18: Jeffrey Epstein seems to speak as though he does know

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Speaker 18: you personally. In one file FTA zero zero six five

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Speaker 18: seven one one five, mister Epstein is commenting and he quotes, Hey, Hillary.

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Speaker 8: Clinton is much prettier in person.

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Speaker 18: This was Tuesday, September twentieth, twenty eleven, and then another Congressman.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to object to that.

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Speaker 19: Commress, can we see the documents because we.

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Speaker 20: Don't think that we would get that present.

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Speaker 8: I don't think the documents that you're not pretty.

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Speaker 18: Jeffrey epstein Is also commented that meetings with Hillary are

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Speaker 18: not easily discreet. Has he ever connected someone to meet

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Speaker 18: with you?

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Speaker 8: Not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was my first time seeing that clip. That's

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Speaker 1: so funny. First of all, very funny. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: this is not what this is supposed to be. Why

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Speaker 1: are you bringing that up? What does that have to

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Speaker 1: do with anything?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that they're trying to establish some sort

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Speaker 3: of relationship between Hillary and Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Purely, but it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: And to me, these exchanges just infer that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Jeffy Epstein had seen Hillary in person before, likely at

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Speaker 3: these White House Historical Association events where she sees you know,

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Speaker 3: hundreds of people who like walk by, right.

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Speaker 4: But then Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Himself like expressed that it's actually difficult to get a

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Speaker 3: private meeting with her. So this doesn't prove that they

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00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: had any actual, like personal knowledge of each other like mutually.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Epstein knew who she was. She was the first

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Speaker 3: Lady of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: About ten minutes later, and this is getting to the

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Speaker 3: end of this hearing about, like you know, four hours in,

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Speaker 3: Hillary just kind of goes off a little bit after

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Speaker 3: just being asked the same question again and again and again,

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Speaker 3: and then also demonstrates like how much she actually knows

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Speaker 3: about this committee's investigation.

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Speaker 2: You have said that you've never been to mister Epstein's island.

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Speaker 17: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: You know what, I am so tired of answering that question.

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Speaker 7: If you have one sentilla of evidence to the contrary,

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Speaker 7: put it forward. I have never been on his island period.

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Speaker 7: I've never been in his homes, his offices, his anything.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how many times you have to say

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Speaker 7: the same thing over and over and over again, and

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Speaker 7: I just am struggling with the relevance of all of this.

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Speaker 6: But no, I never have been.

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Speaker 15: And based off that response, I would include, you've never

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Speaker 15: been to mister Epstein's Manhattan town home.

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Speaker 5: I have not his New Mexico ranch.

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Speaker 2: No, I have not his Palm Beach residence. No, I

544
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Speaker 2: have not his Paris apartment.

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Speaker 17: Did know he had one.

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Speaker 6: I haven't been there, you know.

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Speaker 7: I also find it very interesting because I went back

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Speaker 7: and looked at the transcripts of all of your other depositions,

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Speaker 7: and none of the Republicans asked a single question to

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Speaker 7: any witness about Jeffrey Epstein or any question that would

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Speaker 7: help provide answers for his victims.

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Speaker 3: Hillary goes on to say that Republican Chairman Comer did

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Speaker 3: ask Attorney General bar not about Epstein, but if he

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Speaker 3: was aware of clinton involvement in the twenty sixteen Russia

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Speaker 3: collusion invent instigation again in a deposition about the DOJ's

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Speaker 3: handling of the Epstein files. Completely relevant, completely relevant to

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Speaker 3: the to the matter at hand. And if these people

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Speaker 3: want to pretend that they actually take, you know, what

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Speaker 3: happened to these victims seriously, then they would have a focused,

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Speaker 3: focused effort on the actual subject, not all these wild

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Speaker 3: partisan threads. And I'm now going to discuss before before

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Speaker 3: we before we go and break again about how this

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Speaker 3: hearing kind of threwout it. But I've condensed down into

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Speaker 3: one section, turned towards the weird multiple times in ways

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Speaker 3: that are sometimes you know, relevant, but oftentimes not earlier.

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Speaker 3: In this hearing, Hillary stated that she had never been

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Speaker 3: briefed on whether Jeffrey Epstein had foreign intelligence ties while

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Speaker 3: serving in office, but that speculation that Jeffrey Epstein could

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Speaker 3: have been a foreign intel asset is a quote unquote

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Speaker 3: fruitful area of investigation, although she was not made aware

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Speaker 3: of any connection of this sort to well Scretary of State.

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Speaker 3: She was also asked about a passport belonging to Epstein

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Speaker 3: which bore a different name.

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Speaker 13: This is actually a passport that was given. The individual's

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Speaker 13: name is Marcus Robert Fortinelli. Do you think that this

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Speaker 13: is a sign or a telltale sign of intelligence operations

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Speaker 13: and pseudonames.

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Speaker 7: I can't speculate.

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Speaker 15: I don't know, okay.

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Speaker 13: Victims have stated to this committee, both Democrats and Republicans,

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Speaker 13: that during Epstein's time, during his day camp dreals what

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Speaker 13: I'll call it, that he was also an active communication

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Speaker 13: with Bush's CIA director. They also had stated that he

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Speaker 13: had activities to Russia Israel. Eni Ron, given your status

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Speaker 13: not just as the first Lady but also in your

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Speaker 13: secretary position, have you ever been targeted by any of

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Speaker 13: these countries as a means of a foreign intelligence gathering operation.

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Speaker 13: I you were of potential vulnerabilities.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was targeted by Russia in the twenty sixteen campaign.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's.

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Speaker 7: Pretty well known. What about Israel, Ari Rand, I don't

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Speaker 7: know about either Israel or Iran?

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 13: Do you believe that Epstein was running potentially honeypot operation

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Speaker 13: with intelligence gathering operations to collect information on how high

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Speaker 13: profile individuals, both Democrat and Republican the United.

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Speaker 8: States in an effort to sway are foreign policies. Is

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Speaker 8: it possible.

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Speaker 7: I have no direct knowledge, but I think it's one

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Speaker 7: of the areas your committee should investigate. Do you think

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Speaker 7: it's possible, Well, it's certainly possible. It's a tried and

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Speaker 7: true technique of certain intelligence agencies.

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Speaker 11: Do you believe that he was using honeypot's an effort to.

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Speaker 8: I can't speculate.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what This is such a weird use

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Speaker 1: of their time.

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Speaker 3: Later, she said that she had no reason to believe

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Speaker 3: that personally she was the subject of an intel gathering

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Speaker 3: operation relating to Jeffrey Epstein or Glene Maxwell. And then

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Speaker 3: right after she was asked if she was ever denied

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Speaker 3: access to information about you, apse, that's an unidentified aerial phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: Hilary said that she was never denied access because she

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Speaker 3: never asked for access. When questioned, she said that she

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Speaker 3: believes the American public deserves access to such topics, subject

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Speaker 3: to national security implications. This bizarre off topic line of

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Speaker 3: questioning continued nearly an hour later into the hearing.

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Speaker 14: So I'm going to begin with some lighthearted different questions,

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Speaker 14: and you're welcome to ignore them or if you want to.

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Speaker 17: But while I have you here, I just have to ask.

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Speaker 14: So, when your husband was president, it is Lawrence Rockefeller

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Speaker 14: had an effort to try to disclose UFOs UAPs When

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Speaker 14: you were running for president, John Podesta publicly stated that

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Speaker 14: you would disclose these files with if given the chance,

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Speaker 14: if you had been president. Are you pleased to see

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Speaker 14: that these files may be disclosed?

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Speaker 7: Finally, I am pleased, As I say, I think they

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Speaker 7: have to be carefully and I so that no national

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Speaker 7: security information is disclosed.

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Speaker 19: But this is an.

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Speaker 8: Issue of real.

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Speaker 7: Importance to so many people, and I think whatever can

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Speaker 7: be disclosed should be disclosed.

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Speaker 14: Was there a program that specifically that that was referencing

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Speaker 14: that you were aware of?

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Speaker 7: I was not, as you mentioned, John Podesta, who was

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Speaker 7: one of my advisors, was deeply interested in the issue,

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Speaker 7: and if I had been elected, I certainly would have

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Speaker 7: listened to his advice.

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Speaker 17: Well, thank you for indulgence on that.

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Speaker 3: Very odd, completely off topic, no relevance to the actual

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Speaker 3: subject of inquiry of A few minutes later, Hillary asked

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Speaker 3: a clarifying question about why UFOs were brought up.

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Speaker 7: It's a sort of like off subject. But didn't you

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Speaker 7: all require in the latest Defense Authorization that the UFO

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Speaker 7: information asked about what?

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Speaker 13: They ripped it out?

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Speaker 17: They killed it.

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Speaker 8: Oh I thought.

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Speaker 7: That had gone through.

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Speaker 17: That was my amendment and it got ripped out.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, well you've just I didn't know that, So

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Speaker 7: thank you for enlightening me.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, they've been killing that.

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Speaker 3: So if alien disclosure questions weren't bad enough and you know,

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Speaker 3: disrespectful to victims of epstein and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 4: It did get worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: And we will get into the worse after this at break.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're back. At nearly the four.

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Speaker 3: Hour mark into Hillary Clinton's deposition, Lauren Bobert started asking

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Speaker 3: about conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 18: In past public statements, as in twenty seventeen speeches and interviews,

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Speaker 18: you described pizza Gate as a baseless conspiracy theory, alleging

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Speaker 18: you and others ran a child sex trafficking ring from

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Speaker 18: a Washington Pizzeri based pizzeri basement. Have you reviewed any

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Speaker 18: twenty twenty six Epstein files that were released that you

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Speaker 18: believe reference or relate to those specific twenty sixteen claims.

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Speaker 18: Regarding the Podesta emails comet ping pong pizza used as code, possibly, I'm.

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Speaker 14: Sorry disasting her about whether she's reviewed emails in that

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Speaker 14: Epsteine file was.

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Speaker 17: Related to the wacky Pizzagate excuse.

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Speaker 18: You could characterize it however you want. I just would

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Speaker 18: like to know if she's familiar with any of them.

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Speaker 10: So your question is about whether or not she has

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Speaker 10: reviewed any emails in the Epstein release files about Pizzagate.

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Speaker 7: Correct, Pizzagate was totally made up. It was an outrageous

677
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 7: allegation that ended up hurting a number of people, that

678
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 7: caused a deranged young man to show up with his

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00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 7: assault rifle and shoot up a local pizzeria. I can't

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Speaker 7: believe you're even referencing it. You should be there.

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Speaker 18: There are connections to the language.

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Speaker 7: Believe there are.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you have believe at.

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Speaker 4: It completely unhitched.

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Speaker 1: But why are we doing this? I have complete lack

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Speaker 1: of faith in this committee. This is offensive to survivors

687
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Speaker 1: of Epstein, and this is getting us no relevant information

688
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: to the Epstein probe as they call it. This is ridiculous,

689
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: This is infammatory. I mean, I expect nothing less from

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Speaker 1: Loan and Bober, But you know, it's just it's insane

691
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Speaker 1: and embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: It's insane, and like there has been a resurgence of,

693
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, Pizzagate related conspiracy theories, people talking about Pizzagate

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00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: since the files had been released, Since people can create

695
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: their own patterns, right by selectively honing in on words

696
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: or symbols which allow them to overlook what's right in

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00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: front of their nose. Right, all of the very clear

698
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: connections laid out in the Epstein files, those can be ignored, yes,

699
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 3: and instead you focused on these like coded messages hidden everywhere,

700
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: hidden in the backgrounds of videos, people carrying pizza boxes

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00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: into the Clinton deposition, all this kind of stuff. It's

702
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: it's it allows them to miss the very the very

703
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: clear things that are actually outlined in the files. It is,

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00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: you know, one of the negative side effects of, you know,

705
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: of files like this being released is that it allows

706
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: a lot of points of interest to be honed in

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00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: on by people charting wildly conspiratorial matrices.

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Speaker 1: I just don't even know how somebody like Lauren Barbert's

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Speaker 1: on a committee like this, or an elected official or

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Speaker 1: you know, employed.

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Frankly, Hillary went on to say I expected a lot

712
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: of interesting questions today, but Pizzagate was not on the list.

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00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: Lauren Bobert replied, that's okay, we're asking all sorts of

714
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: things here, okay. A few minutes later, Bobert returned with

715
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: even more Pizzagate questions, and things escalated to the point

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Speaker 3: where they had to go off the record.

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Speaker 4: That's lord, are.

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Speaker 18: You aware of any files that were on Anthony Wiener's

719
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 18: laptop and a folder that was titled Insurance Life Insurance

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Speaker 18: with a ZIP file titled.

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Speaker 9: Chairman.

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Speaker 15: Is this within the scope?

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Speaker 6: Mister chairman?

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Speaker 10: Chairman rules that it's not based on what you said

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Speaker 10: in the public hearing, Is this within the scope? For

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Speaker 10: a moment, mister chairman, is this within the scope?

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Speaker 3: So you couldn't quite make out what Bobart was referencing there.

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Speaker 3: She was talking about the frazzle drip conspiracy theory that

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00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: alleged Anthony Wiener possessed a video of Hillary Clinton conducting

730
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Speaker 3: a satanic ritual murder of a child, cutting off this

731
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Speaker 3: child's face to wear as a mask, to fill the

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Speaker 3: child's blood with adrenochrome to be harvested.

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Speaker 4: This is like twenty eighteen conspiracy.

734
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Speaker 3: Theory, one of the more like graphic and gross aspects

735
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: of QAnon. And here Robert is just openly asking Hillary

736
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: Clinton about frazzle drip by name, completely inappropriate, has no

737
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: bearing on the investigation. It's an insult to actual victims

738
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Speaker 3: of child sex trafficking. So this whole conspiratorial angle of

739
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: the Hillary Clinton deposition made up a significant chunk. Another

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Speaker 3: chunk that made up a significant portion of time is

741
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: just Clinton kind of advising and the committee members, both

742
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: on the Republican and Democrat side, like asking for her

743
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: advice on how to conduct their own investigation. She advised

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00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: that they should follow Senator Widens compiled Treasury data on

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Speaker 3: Epstein's financial transactions, and that that data should be subpoened

746
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: from the Treasury Department. She was asked about how they

747
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: could determine if Jeffrey Epstein was a spy. Hillary advised

748
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: them to send document requests to subpoena the CIA, the

749
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: Department of National Intelligence counterintelligence departments in the DOJ, saying

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00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: to quote unquote, cast a wide net. She suggested cooperating

751
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: with UK investigations into former Prince Andrew and trying to

752
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: see if Israel will cooperate in sharing information regarding the investigation. Finally,

753
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: Hillary suggested to Chairman James Comer that he should advise

754
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Speaker 3: on how laws could be changed to prevent future abuse

755
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: based on the committee's knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's manipulation techniques

756
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: and mode of operation. But there was like significant chunk

757
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: of at least like, you know, thirty minutes where she

758
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: was essentially being asked or advising the committee on how

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Speaker 3: to do their own job. Just due to the sheering

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Speaker 3: confidence that has been displayed and the clips that I've

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Speaker 3: selected here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't really have anything else to say besides

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Speaker 1: that it's just like.

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Speaker 3: Pathotic, yeah, I mean, and most of the interesting stuff

765
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Speaker 3: is in the Hillary Hillary Clinton Yeah. A bill was

766
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 3: deposed the next day. But for some of the logistics

767
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: regarding this hearing, a source told The New York Post,

768
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Speaker 3: so take that as you will sure that the Clinton

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Speaker 3: team demanded specific quote unquote beauty lighting and camera.

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Speaker 1: Positions relatable life fear to get.

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Speaker 3: The most flattering angle of Hillary's face, and brought white

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Speaker 3: tablecloths to bounce the overhead lighting onto the bottom of

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Speaker 3: her face and into my shadows.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pictures of the whole room also showed that the Clinton

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Speaker 3: team was the only ones with these like nice orange

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00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: upholstered chairs. The rest of the chairs were just like

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00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: regular black folding chairs. The New York Post contains this

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Speaker 3: little tidbit that the customized blue paneled backdrop was developed

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Speaker 3: by a local specialized vendor within about seven hours after

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00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: Clinton's team concluded it did not like the vibe of

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Speaker 3: the original black curtains in the background unquote. So they

783
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: like went in saw this, you know, white table with

784
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: black curtains. They thought it looked too much like a

785
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: criminal interrogation or or like a quote unquote hostage situation

786
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: is what's quoted in the Post article, as opposed to

787
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Speaker 3: like an official congressional deposition, you know, like an official

788
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: government venue. So they got like a local carpenter to

789
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: make this blue paneled backdrop in like a few hours

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Speaker 3: to put behind Hillary. And that's just an interesting insight

791
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Speaker 3: into like the thought process of the Clinton team regarding

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Speaker 3: the optics of this.

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Speaker 4: Hearing shop local.

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Speaker 3: So let's briefly go through some of the sections on Bill.

795
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Speaker 3: Bill started by saying that they should not have questioned Hillary. Quote,

796
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Speaker 3: but I do think you should be talking to me.

797
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: You should have called me. I did take those playing

798
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: trips with him. You have a right to ask those questions.

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Speaker 4: Unquote. He said that quote.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, I'll be eighty eight years

801
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: old if I lived my next birthday. I don't remember

802
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: everything that happened twenty four years ago, but I do

803
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 3: remember some things, and I'll tell you what I remember

804
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: the best that I can un quote. When asked when

805
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: he first met Jeffy Epstein, Bill referred to a photo

806
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: of him shaking Epstein's hand in nineteen ninety three at

807
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: a White House Historical Association event. But Bill said that

808
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't remember that, but this photo does exist. He

809
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: shook a lot of people's hands, does not remember everyone

810
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: he meets. He first remembers meeting Jeffrey Epstein for a

811
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: Clinton Foundation plane trip in two thousand and two. He

812
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: said he was connected with Epstein through someone named Larry Summers,

813
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: who told Bill that Jeffrey Epstein made a large donation

814
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: about ten million dollars to brain research and was a

815
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: quote unquote information hungry person. Summers said that Epstein wanted

816
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: to talk with Bill about economics and politics and offered

817
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: to take Bill his staff and his secret service detail

818
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 3: on Clinton Foundation trips for global humanitarian aid. So Bill

819
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: saw this as a way to drive the price down

820
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: for these trips. He took the last one of these

821
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Speaker 3: flights in two thousand and three. When asked why this

822
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: relationship ended, Bill said that the AIDS program.

823
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: It was a humanitarian aid program to help with AIDS.

824
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Speaker 3: That this AIDS program, you know, took off and more

825
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 3: people that Bill knew better offered to help, and Jeffrey

826
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: did not seem as interested in the AIDS program, so

827
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: they kind of just naturally drifted apart. Bill characterized the

828
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: relationship as friendly, but didn't know him well enough to

829
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: be considered a friend, and so that he never talked

830
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: about witness or participated in anything sexual. Relating to Jeffrey

831
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Speaker 3: Epstein and young women and girls, Bill said he learned

832
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Speaker 3: of Epstein's crimes in two thousand and eight. Bill said

833
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: he had no indication Epstein was trafficking women. Quote There's

834
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Speaker 3: nothing that I saw when I was around him that

835
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Speaker 3: made me realize he was trafficking women.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Bill was asked about if he communicated with a long

838
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Speaker 3: list of people regarding Epstein.

839
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Speaker 4: This was kind of a weirdly framed question.

840
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Speaker 3: It was have you communicated with any of these people

841
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: about Jeffrey Epstein. Bill had a hard time kind of

842
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: understanding the nature of this question. It is kind of

843
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: oddly phrased. Hillary was asked the same one. They just

844
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: read a list of names. Bill recounted if he knew

845
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: the person or not, and the lawyers had to specify, like,

846
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: oh no, they're asking if you communicated with them about Epstein,

847
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: not not if you knew them. So it kind of

848
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: got some confusing responses.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

850
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: Interestingly, both Hillary and Bill laughed at the mention of

851
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: nom Chomsky. Hill said that he never communicated with Chomsky

852
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: and that Chomsky quote wasn't a big fan of mine.

853
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Speaker 4: He thought I was too conservative.

854
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: Fuck off, Nome, fuck off, nome crazy.

855
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Speaker 3: Bill did testify that he thought that someone relating to

856
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 3: law enforcement would ask him about Epstein in two thousand

857
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: and eight when the news about Epstein's crimes came out.

858
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Speaker 3: Considering that Epstein let Bill use the plane but no

859
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: one ever did hmm. He said he never suspected until

860
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: agency connections with Epstein and was at the time unaware

861
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: of Epstein's visits to the White House while Bill was president,

862
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: and there has only since been informed of this. In

863
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: preparation for this testimony, Okay, Bill was asked about a

864
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: New York Times article claiming to expound on Bill and

865
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 3: Epstein's relationship in the nineties, characterized as chummy, which Bill denies.

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00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: He said that he didn't even know Epstein really during

867
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Speaker 3: this time, even though they may have been at the

868
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: same events. He was asked about being asked to write

869
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Speaker 3: a personal note to Jeffrey Epstein's mother. Bill said that

870
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Speaker 3: he never met Jeffrey Epstein's mother and that he wrote

871
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: a lot of notes to a lot of people that

872
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Speaker 3: he did not know.

873
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 4: He was unsure of who asked him to write this note.

874
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: He was also asked about this passport appearing to belong

875
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: to Epstein bearing a different name, with the questioner asserting

876
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: that they believe Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative running

877
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: a honeypot against the president. When later asked if he

878
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: believes that he was targeted, Bill says that it's possible.

879
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 3: The lawyers objected this based on speculation, but Bill says

880
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: he doesn't know if he was targeted but would be surprised.

881
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Refers to Jeffrey Epstein as a quote unquote vacuum cleaner

882
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: of information but was not overtly manipulative early on, saying

883
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: that Epstein mostly asked about derivatives trading and stock market regulation.

884
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: Bill was asked if you ever had contact with someone

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Speaker 3: named Chante Davies who was a quote unquote flight attendant

886
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: on Epstein's plane. Bill confirms that he did, and confirmed

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00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: that a neck rub took place once with Chante Davies,

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Speaker 3: but denied he ever went to the island.

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00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know something about neck rub and Bill Clinton

890
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: just mix messed.

891
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 16: On my hurt.

892
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

893
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: He later says that he was unaware of the abuse

894
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: happening to Chante Davies and says that he quote wish

895
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: Chante had told me I liked her, but said that

896
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: he did not think there was anything unusual. He said

897
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: that massages on which people's planes and boats weren't uncommon.

898
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: Was never aware of anyone under the age of eighteen

899
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: all these flights, and if there were, that would have

900
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: made him uncomfortable. He specified that Secret Service was with

901
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: him for every single trip. He quote never signed off

902
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: secret Service protection. He talked about specifically this neck rub incident,

903
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: saying that he had a sore neck during one of

904
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: the legs of these Clinton Foundation Aid trips and received

905
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: a massage this one time.

906
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: That's what he claimed.

907
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: He was asked about the note in Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth

908
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: birthday book, Bill said that his own staff asked him

909
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: to write a letter for the book, specifying that he

910
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: sends out hundreds of birthday letters every year to friends

911
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: or people he's only met a few times. A regular occurrence,

912
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: he's asked to read a section of the letter that

913
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: people had a hard time transcribing exactly, which makes a

914
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: reference to Epstein having made errors in his life, and

915
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: he was asked whether this errors referred to sex crimes.

916
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: Bill said, no, in the life of someone fifty years old,

917
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna make mistakes. It was a throwaway line in

918
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: one section of this very short letter. I don't think

919
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: it's super relevant. Now around this time when they're reading

920
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: from this letter is where there's this viral clip of

921
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: Bill pulling back a copy of a photo from his lawyers,

922
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: like while smiling. This is circulated a lot. It looks

923
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: like he's no, like recounting like good memories or something.

924
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: The piece paper he's pulling back is actually just a

925
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: copy of a New York Times article. It's not a

926
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: picture of him and Epstein. It's not a picture of memories.

927
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: There may be a small photo framed in the picture

928
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: included in this New York Times article. It's being passed around,

929
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: but it's not like he's like flipping through like a

930
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: year book of like a good moments with friends and like,

931
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, happily recounting. I think this this little clip's

932
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 3: been decontextualized.

933
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I agree.

934
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to defend Bill Clinton here, no, but

935
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: I'm adding context for what's actually happening in this hearing.

936
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: And his lawyers are passing around a copy of a

937
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: New York Times article which he's being questioned about, and

938
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: that's the context for that clip.

939
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: And like this clip went pretty viral, and so I

940
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: was talking about it actually with my mom my mom,

941
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: and my mom's first reaction held some weight with me.

942
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: She was like, that's just Bill Clinton's face.

943
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 4: He's kind of this happy, goofy guy.

944
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Like he's generally like a smiley guy. And you know,

945
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense contextually. Here again not defending

946
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, but yeah.

947
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: I did want to play one clip about Trump. Bill

948
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: was asked if the committee should talk to Donald Trump,

949
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: since it's a name appears more frequently in the thousand

950
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 3: almost any other person. Bill says that's up to the

951
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: committee and mentions an instance where he talked with Trump

952
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: about Epstein on a golf course for a charity tournament

953
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: around two US and two to TWOISM three, and they

954
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: talked about Epstein because Trump somehow knew that Bill had

955
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: flown on the plane. But besides this incident, he had

956
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: no other conversations with Trump about Epstein or Maxwell.

957
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 9: The day I was there, he would typically Donald Trump

958
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 9: would come out and play a few holes with us,

959
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 9: and he somehow knew I had flown in Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft.

960
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 9: And he said, you know, we had some great times

961
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 9: together over the years, but we fell out all because

962
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 9: of a real estate deal. And he said I'm sorry

963
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 9: it up. That's all.

964
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 21: Do you recall whether President Trump was the first one

965
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 21: to affirmatively bring up the subject of Jeffrey Epstein.

966
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 9: No, but I'd be shocked if I did. I just

967
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 9: don't do that, you know.

968
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 21: Do you recall whether President Trump elaborated at all on

969
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 21: the great times that he had with Jeffrey Epstein.

970
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 9: No, and I took at the time. I took. No,

971
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 9: I didn't put any you know, sexual spin on it.

972
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 21: And as far as you recall, President Trump characterized the

973
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 21: nature of the ending of their friendship as being solely

974
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 21: due to the real estate.

975
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: Interestingly, here Bill recounts that Trump's reason for breaking with

976
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: Epstein was due to a real estate deal, not the

977
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: poaching of employees at mar A Lago, as alternatively reported.

978
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Right the minority, the Democrats referred to statements from three

979
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein victims in statements, including Bill in some way.

980
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: Starting with someone named Maria Farmer, an Epstein employee who

981
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: first reported abuse to the NYPDNFBI in nineteen ninety six.

982
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: She claimed that she acknowledge that Bill visited Epstein's house

983
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: multiple times. Bill denies this. Someone named Virginia Roberts Druffey

984
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 3: remarked that she had knowledge that Bill was at Epstein's island.

985
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: Bill responded by saying that ultimately this person quote unquote

986
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: reached a different conclusion, and den I declaimed that he

987
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: flew in a helicopter with Glen Maxwell to the island.

988
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: The committee member referenced a diary entry as the piece

989
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: of information asserting that Bill was on the island. Bill's

990
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: lawyers asked about the dates for this entry so that

991
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: they could determine whether Bill was in a different part

992
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: of the world around this time. But this gets moved

993
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: on pretty quick. They briefly bring up this picture of

994
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: Bill in a hot tub in Brunei. He says that

995
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: he was staying at a hotel during one of these

996
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 3: AIDS trips and briefly went to a hot tub. Other

997
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: people were present from this trip secret service. That's about

998
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: a bizarre painting of Bill Clinton wearing Monica Lewinsky's blue

999
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: dress found in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. Bill said he'd never

1000
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: seen it before. Was asked to speculate why this painting

1001
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: was made. Lawyers said that the committee can.

1002
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: Ask the artist.

1003
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: Lauren barbart I was on a very poor line of

1004
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: questioning regarding a conversation transcert between two people, and this

1005
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: line of questioning requires deposition to go off the record

1006
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: to figure out what exactly she's talking about. Billa and

1007
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: she responds to a question stating that he never felt

1008
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: that he owed to Jeffrey Epstein any favors and never

1009
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: participated in any quote unquote to Island Orgies since he

1010
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: never traveled to the US of virgin Islands with Jeffrey Epstein.

1011
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: About two hours in Bill Clinton is asked if he

1012
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: thinks Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, something they never asked.

1013
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: Hillary.

1014
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 20: I'd just like.

1015
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 18: To ask you personally and directly, do you believe that

1016
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 18: Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?

1017
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 10: Are you asking him to speculate on how mister Epstein died?

1018
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 18: I am asking what miss the President thinks, So you're

1019
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 18: asking his opinion, mister President, was your friend Jeffrey Epstein.

1020
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 10: Clasifying him as a friend who he has testified that

1021
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 10: he was a friend in a letter he said he

1022
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 10: was friendly, but not you've asked for his test.

1023
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 18: As your president. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal?

1024
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 18: Do you know was he ever suicide.

1025
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 17: I don't know.

1026
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 9: I only know what the medical founding was. I think

1027
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 9: maybe he finally got caught.

1028
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 12: I don't know.

1029
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 9: I've accepted it my own mom.

1030
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 18: I don't know what happened, Miss President. What did you

1031
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 18: accept that he killed himself or that he did not?

1032
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 9: But he did?

1033
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 17: But I don't know.

1034
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, none of us know.

1035
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 17: We weren't there.

1036
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 8: Miss President has been an honor, Thank.

1037
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 22: You, thank you.

1038
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Why would you ask him that? That makes no sense?

1039
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: I mean again, this is Lauren Bobber, the same person

1040
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: asking about pizza Gate. She's trying to yeah, donkey in

1041
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: as many of these conspiracy theory questions as she can,

1042
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: because that's that's like who she is, right, she has

1043
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: she she is a conspiracy theorist herself. She made not

1044
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: a characteristic that way. But she's trying to, you know,

1045
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: go off a checklist of like epic owns against the

1046
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: evil child eating Clinton's A few other few other small

1047
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: notes that I think are interesting. Bill was asked about

1048
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: emails being sent to Glene Maxwell by one of his assistants,

1049
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: and Bill says that he never sent these emails and

1050
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: he's only ever sent two emails in his life, which

1051
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: I do believe I can too.

1052
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: It's so crazy.

1053
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 4: Oh Bill Wow.

1054
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: Bill's asked about a statement that Epstein made saying that

1055
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: Bill quote unquote likes them young. Bill Lawyers asked, you

1056
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: know if Bill's being asked to speculate on Jeffrey Epstein's mind.

1057
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: Bill says that this isn't true, that he quote unquote

1058
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: likes them young and never went to the island again.

1059
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: Mace later asks if it's unusual for a quote unquote

1060
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: sitting president to receive a massage. Bill Sawyer has had

1061
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: to argue back and forth because Bill was not a

1062
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: sitting president during the time where this neck massage incident occurred.

1063
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: Bill's once again asked if he was the target of

1064
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: an intel operation. He says, I doubt it. There was

1065
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: then an extended argument between Mace and Lawyer's the reference

1066
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: to Daily Beast reporting on a statement Bill made after

1067
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's to as a nineteen arrest, mischaracterizing two instances

1068
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: where Jeffrey Epstein visited the Clinton office and Bill once

1069
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: visited Jeffrey Epstein's New York ampartment, which he later remarked

1070
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein was not even present for and Nancy Mace

1071
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: kept asking if Bill lied about only meeting Jeffrey Epstein

1072
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: at these two times based on the phrasing of the

1073
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Daily Beast article, But the full statement that the Daily

1074
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: Beast was quoting from also lists the four plane trips,

1075
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: which contained a total of seventeen stops. The Beast article

1076
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: just mischaracterized this as only being two incidents, and Mace

1077
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: was referring to the article, not the actual original statement.

1078
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: That's resulted in a pretty extensive argument. This leads us

1079
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: to the final clip that I'll play, which I think

1080
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: is kind of the only interesting question across the nine

1081
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: hours of testimony, The only question I think is actually

1082
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: kind of interesting and worthwhile, and it's not actually followed

1083
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: up on in any substantial way. Nacy Basica asks why

1084
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: the Clinton's still associated with Gleade Maxwell after Jeffrey Epstein's

1085
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: first conviction, knowing that Maxwell was one of Epstein's closest associates.

1086
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 9: First of all, when the wedding occurred, she was with

1087
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 9: Ted White, and she was for several more years.

1088
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 17: We did not know.

1089
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 9: When Epstein was arrested that she was still involved with him.

1090
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 9: I think that clears a lot of this up. We

1091
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 9: didn't know, and I don't want all of me to

1092
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 9: get we're all getting in a lad. There's a logical explanation.

1093
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 9: We didn't know, and I'm sorry for what she did

1094
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 9: and what she allowed her like to become, and now

1095
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 9: she's let them with it.

1096
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: They do not follow up on this at all, the

1097
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: fact that the Clinton's, knowing that Maxwell was like Epstein's

1098
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: number two guy, spent a peaston amount of time with

1099
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: on these four playing trips, the two US and two

1100
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: to two US and three on these humanitarian aid Clinton

1101
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: Foundation trips, you know, a lot of time with Glaine

1102
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: and Epstein. The committee did not follow up on why

1103
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 3: they continued to associate even loosely, like very loosely, with

1104
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: Glaine after the two estate conviction. Yeah, that's a pretty

1105
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: reasonable question to have, and it just doesn't even get

1106
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: focused on very much. Instead, they started talking about this

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Speaker 3: report from an Epstein victim about Bill Clinton allegedly walking

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Speaker 3: into the offices of Vanity Fair and threatening them to

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Speaker 3: not write sex trafficking articles about Jeffrey Epstein, something that

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Speaker 3: Bill obviously denies, and there would be other witnesses for

1111
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Speaker 3: this event. But like this, this question about the Clinton's

1112
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: extended relationship with Glaine Maxwell after the first conviction is

1113
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Speaker 3: one of like the very last questions asked. It takes

1114
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: them nine hours to get there. Yeah, they don't even

1115
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: follow up on it, and it just kind of ends

1116
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: very very flaccid.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the survivors, Like you're not getting any

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Speaker 1: kind of justice. This committee is incompetent, embarrassing, and repugnant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of sums up the hearing, all

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Speaker 3: of the hearings they were inconfident, embarrassing, and repugnant, really

1121
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: spending more time on weird conspiracy theories than asking like new.

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Speaker 4: Questions on Pizzagate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like they asked Hillary and Bill basically the

1124
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: same two questions over and over again, giving the same answers,

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01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 3: wasting hours and hours of time. The only new questions

1126
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: they asked are these insane conspiracy ones. It's it's embarrassing,

1127
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Speaker 3: it does not hold any relevance to the investigation, and

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Speaker 3: it's nine hours of my life I'll never get back.

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Speaker 20: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Well that does it for us here at it could

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Speaker 3: happen here. We'll keep following some of these, some of

1132
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: these hearings and depositions as this continues. I know there

1133
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: was new FBI documents about witness statements regarding President Trump

1134
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: released as I was writing this, like last night, and

1135
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 3: we'll probably be talking about those in executive disorder and

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Speaker 3: later on throughout our coverage.

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Speaker 20: Bye bye, Welcome to.

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Speaker 4: It could happen here a podcast where the economy is

1139
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 4: falling apart a new and exciting ways faster that I

1140
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 4: can write about it. I am your host, Mialong. Welcome

1141
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Speaker 4: to what has turned into a kind of emergency? Is

1142
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 4: the economy Collapsing episode? This episode was originally supposed to

1143
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 4: be about tariffs, but while I was writing the tariff episode,

1144
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 4: a bunch of shit happened, like we invaded or run

1145
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 4: and Coast b which is the leading Korean stock market index,

1146
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 4: had its largest single drop in its entire history, which

1147
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: triggered its circuit breaker. Circuit breakers are a thing that

1148
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: stock markets have now where if the stock market collapses,

1149
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: like if it loses points too fast in a certain

1150
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 4: period of time, all trading will automatically stop for a bit,

1151
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 4: so it hits its circuit breaker. The TIE index also

1152
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 4: hits its circuit breaker, and then in the wee hours

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 4: of sort of Monday morning, American time. I start seeing

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 4: a bunch of people posting that Coastby hit the circuit breaker,

1155
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Speaker 4: and I'm very confused because that happened on like Wednesday,

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01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 4: right like this already happened. No, no, no, no, wrong, wrong,

1157
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 4: happened again. It's two circuit breakers in like four sessions.

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Speaker 4: So this has turned into an unbelievable crisis. Yeah, so

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: we're gonna get the tariff episode at some point, talking

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 4: about the Supreme Court tariff rulings and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: That will happen. There's a lot of interesting stuff there,

1162
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: But right now we need to answer the question is

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Speaker 4: the economy about to collapse? And tendatively it has been

1164
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: held off at least for a little bit. Now. This

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Speaker 4: is being recorded early Monday afternoon on March ninth. By

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 4: the time this goes out on March tenth, who the

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 4: fuck knows what will have happened. But let's talk about

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Speaker 4: what happened in the run up to all of this,

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01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 4: because it's very important. So in the lead up to

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Speaker 4: the open of the American markets, we had a massive

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Speaker 4: spike in oil futures, like one of the largest single

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Speaker 4: day spikes in oil futures ever. It looks like it's

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: going to be the apocalypse for the markets. And the

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01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 4: reason it looks like this is because and this is

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Speaker 4: something that's genuinely astounding. So one fifth of the world's

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Speaker 4: oil moves through the strain of for Moose. We're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about this in more detail later. And obviously

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01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 4: there is now a war, which means that you can't

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Speaker 4: move oil through it, and people suddenly realized that, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, this is going to raise oil prices.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: When I was originally writing this episode in the housey

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 4: in days of Friday of last week, part of this

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 4: episode was about why oil prices were not spiking because

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Speaker 4: they didn't spike immediately upon the start of the war, right,

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Speaker 4: And I was very confused about this because the explanation

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Speaker 4: at the time was that people were like, Oh, I'll

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Speaker 4: be fine. The US Navy can escort oil tankers through

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 4: the straight ocrewer moves. No, they can't, like the narrowest

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Speaker 4: part of it's twenty three miles wide. Like what are

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Speaker 4: we doing here?

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Speaker 9: What?

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Speaker 20: Wait?

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Speaker 4: Like, forget drones. You can hit these oil tankers with

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 4: like a fucking trebuchet. What are we doing here? What

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01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 4: was the administration telling to oil companies right, and then

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Speaker 4: a few days later everyone collectively realized, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: we can't move oil, and yeah, no shit, you can't

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Speaker 4: move oil.

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Speaker 22: Jeseuz.

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Speaker 4: This is christ like, this is unbelievable stuff. From the

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Speaker 4: people who are in the oil markets, from the oil executives,

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 4: from the golf monarchies, from all of the people planning this.

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Speaker 4: Why would you think this wouldn't happen? And we're gonna

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Speaker 4: get into that actually in a little bit, because there

1206
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: is apparently a reason why they thought this was going

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Speaker 4: to happen, which is some combination of just pure lies

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01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 4: and willful belief and some of the worst strategy planning

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my entire life. But you know,

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 4: the ability to close the straight up from news is

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Speaker 4: the reason why even if you are like President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: the kind of person who doesn't give a shit if

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01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 4: you know your army burns a running and children to death, right,

1214
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 4: even if you don't care that you fucking bombed a

1215
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Speaker 4: fucking school, you don't fight this war because it fucks

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Speaker 4: with the money. Now, in anticipation of what looked like

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01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 4: it was going to be just a market pounding, Trump

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01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 4: gave a phone interview with CBS's senior White House correspondent

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Speaker 4: Weija Jang, who posted this on Twitter. This is her

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 4: reporting of his statements. This is from Donald Trump, quote

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Speaker 4: I think the war is very complete, pretty much. They

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 4: have no navy, no communication, they've got no air force.

1223
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Speaker 4: He added that the US is quote very far ahead

1224
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Speaker 4: of his initial three to four week timeframe.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 4: He also said that ships are moving through it now.

1227
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Speaker 4: But he's also quote thinking about taking it over, which

1228
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Speaker 4: what is officially conquering the straight up on moves instead

1229
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 4: of merely like protecting it with the American fleet assets.

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Speaker 4: This is completely unhinged. And then he also said, quote

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 4: they've shot everything they have to shoot, and they better

1232
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 4: not try anything cute or it's going to be the

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Speaker 4: end of that country.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the part of this right that went to

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 4: the markets is that he thinks the war is over now.

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 4: The part of it where he says if a rawn

1238
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 4: fights back in any way, quote, it's going to be

1239
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 4: the end of that country apparently did not hit the markets.

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 4: The people running the markets are really really dumb. They

1241
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: think and act like herd animals. This is, I guess

1242
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 4: slightly an ansult to herd animals, because herd animals react

1243
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 4: that way for a reason. These people are human beings.

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 4: They have the capacity for logic and reason. They have

1245
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: the same capacity for logic and reason that we do,

1246
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 4: and they still act like this. But this has calmed

1247
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 4: the markets down and it's sent oil prices back down again.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get into why that's kind of nonsense

1249
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 4: in a little bit. But it's also worth noting in

1250
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 4: terms of Trump saying the war is nearly over, that

1251
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 4: every single other quote Trump has said about this war

1252
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 4: has been He's in this for the long haul. He's

1253
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 4: thinking about troops on the ground. He is not going

1254
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: to get bored with it. He doesn't care the gas

1255
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: prices are going up. Someone asked his press secretary about

1256
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 4: whether he ruled out the draft, and she said no,

1257
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 4: he hadn't, which is I mean, like they're not gonna

1258
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 4: do a draft, But like, that's ridiculous, why would you

1259
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 4: say that. It's also worth noting that so he has

1260
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 4: a a two hundred and fifty year anniversary commission thing

1261
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: that he set up that he's very very excited about.

1262
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 4: That's like it's America's two hundred and fifty year blah

1263
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah, and that commissions like one of

1264
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 4: their big people was ringing the opening bell wall shake

1265
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: this morning. So, you know, I suspect that there's a

1266
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 4: lot of sort of motivated reasoning here going on with

1267
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 4: Trump saying, oh, that's fine, it's gonna be fine. The

1268
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 4: war's nearly over. Do do do do do? Okay, So

1269
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 4: I quite frankly do not believe the President when he

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 4: says that the war is nearly over. I mean, I

1271
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 4: guess maybe there's a scenario where everything we're about to

1272
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 4: talk about causes a crisis that is large enough to

1273
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 4: you know, actually set off Trump pulling out of the

1274
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 4: war under pressure from his allies in the region, which

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01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 4: is to say, the air of monarchies. I don't know

1276
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 4: to what extent that's actually going to happen, but let's

1277
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 4: talk about what the crisis here is. So the US's

1278
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 4: war against Iran has triggered what could be the start

1279
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 4: of a full on energy crisis. The energy crisis has

1280
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 4: been postponed for one day, I guess as of again

1281
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 4: time of recording, Monday, March ninth, But this could be

1282
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: the start of fall on energy crisis and it's not

1283
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 4: just me saying this. Here is the subtitle of the

1284
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal's big piece on this quote, Traffic through

1285
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 4: the Straight of Furmuz has ground to a virtual halt,

1286
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 4: unleashing the most severe energy crisis since the nineteen seventies

1287
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 4: and threatening the global economy. So that's not good. Now.

1288
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 4: I began this episode talking about a collapse on South

1289
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 4: Korean and high markets, and I was also mentioned by

1290
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 4: the way that like when that collapse happened, all the

1291
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 4: other Asian markets kind of eight shit. The Chinese markets

1292
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 4: were sort of more stable for reasons we'll get you

1293
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: in a second, but like Japan, like the nik was

1294
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 4: down like four percent, like all of the other Asian

1295
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 4: markets kind of eight shit, right, Taiwanese market. And the

1296
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 4: reason for that is well, again, as I said above,

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Speaker 4: one fifth of the world's oil supply crude oil is

1298
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 4: shipped through the Strait of Framus. And this is an

1299
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 4: issue for a country like South Korea, which imports almost

1300
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 4: all of its oil, you know, and whose economy, like

1301
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Speaker 4: manufacturer economy in particular, is very very heavily dependent on oil.

1302
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 4: This is true of a lot of other countries in

1303
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 4: that region, and South Korea and Thailand and Taiwan and

1304
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 4: Japan are not countries like China, which have much of

1305
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 4: oil stockpiles and have the ability to get oiled through

1306
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 4: other ways. Now, I want to take a second to

1307
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 4: actually explain what the Strait of Framuz is. So the

1308
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: Strait of Fromuz is a straight it's like there's a

1309
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 4: little bit of water, but it's close to land. I

1310
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 4: talked to said earlier that the narrowest part of it

1311
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 4: is twenty three miles, so it's very narrow, and it

1312
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 4: is a passage between the Persian Gulf and effectively the

1313
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 4: Indian Ocean right and what you're out into the Indian Ocean,

1314
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 4: you can get to the rest of the world that is,

1315
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 4: you know, east of that, which is all of Asia,

1316
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 4: most of the rest of the world that's not west

1317
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 4: of you. Right now, she's bordering the Persian Gulf. Who

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Speaker 4: are in the area who need to ship their oil

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Speaker 4: out through here include a run Araq, Bahrain Cotter, the UAE,

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Speaker 4: and Saudi Arabia. Those are a bunch of oil producing countries.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: They are now also countries that are embroiled in this

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Speaker 4: war because they are part of the American Alliance, and

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Speaker 4: you can ask the very reasonable question, Okay, so if

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Speaker 4: you're part of the American Alliance, why the fuck would

1326
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 4: you be like, okay, with the United States launching this

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Speaker 4: attack on Iran. On a more vulgar level, you can

1328
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 4: ask the question, how the fuck was this allowed to happen?

1329
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Speaker 4: This is the money, this is the global economy that

1330
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 4: you are fucking with right now. The things that the

1331
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal talks about is that officials in the

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 4: US and Israel told the Gulf States that there wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be retaliation by Iran, right, that Iran wouldn't target oil facilities,

1334
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Speaker 4: they would just target American military bases. They had a

1335
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 4: whole thing about how, oh well three tree in the

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 4: war with Israel, they did only target American military basis.

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Speaker 4: They didn't like bomb any oil infrastructure. They were sending

1338
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 4: mister Bean memes in their group chats about how weak

1339
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 4: the Iranian retaliation was going to be. So this is

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 4: not just a situation of pure you know, motivated reasoning.

1341
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 4: We relying to them, et cetera, et cetera. Like the

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Speaker 4: Americans appeared to have actually believed some of this, that

1343
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 4: Iran's retaliation was going to be weak. I've seen reports

1344
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 4: that they thought that Aram was out of drones. I

1345
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 4: don't know why you would think this, in baffling. Their

1346
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 4: drones are extremely cheap to produce, like they've used them,

1347
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 4: but why would you think they didn't have more? And

1348
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Speaker 4: I just want to point out right, so point of

1349
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 4: reference here was oh Iran showed restraint in the war

1350
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 4: with Israel. You know, this is a twelve day conflict

1351
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 4: where Israel and a rol and sort of fired missiles

1352
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 4: at each other and stuff after Israel assassinated a bunch

1353
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 4: of people for doing nuclear stuff. But okay, let's look

1354
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 4: at this for a second. My brother in Christ, you

1355
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 4: killed the fucking Ayahtola. This is an existential war for

1356
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: survival of the regime. Of course, they were going to

1357
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 4: target your oil facilities. Are you fucking kidding me? Your

1358
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: goal here was regime change. You literally assassinated their fucking

1359
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 4: head of state. You literally killed him. What the fuck

1360
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 4: did you think was going to happen? Oh my god.

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Speaker 23: These people are so fucking dumb, Like you know, and

1362
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 23: it's obviously not clear exactly like who knew what about

1363
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 23: this plan? But again, like it seems like the plan

1364
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 23: was put into place because they had the opportunity to

1365
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 23: to kill Ahtola Committee. And like, okay, if that's true,

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 23: and presumably the Gulf States would know that, why the

1367
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 23: fuck would they not expect retaliation?

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 4: I expected this. I'm a podcaster. I mean, I know,

1369
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm very smart, but like these people are These people

1370
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 4: and their advisors are running fucking like some of the

1371
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 4: most important governments in the entire world. I don't know, monarchy,

1372
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 4: bad system of governments. Electing Donald Trump also apparently bad

1373
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 4: system of government. You're getting just oh my god, holy fuck,

1374
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 4: these people are stupid. Oh my god. They really truly

1375
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 4: they really truly believed that Iran was not going to

1376
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 4: pick up the weapon that it has always had, that

1377
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 4: has always been the thing for what the reason why

1378
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 4: you don't fight this fucking war, even if you don't

1379
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 4: care about Iranian lives, that you're willing to spend American lives? Right,

1380
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 4: they really thought they wouldn't do it. I just, I

1381
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 4: just I can't get over this. I just oh my god,

1382
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 4: Oh I don't know, I don't know. Okay, we're gonna

1383
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 4: go to ads a mad hell. I'm not gonna take

1384
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 4: it any more. Here's some ads Okay, calming down a

1385
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 4: little bit, let's get back to the actual oil of

1386
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 4: it all. So let's talk about the quality of the

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 4: oil here now. Sharp eared listeners may remember that when

1388
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 4: I talked about Venezuelan oil battery nor Executive Disorder episode

1389
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 4: about the previous war a couple of months ago, a

1390
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 4: sentence so unhinged I had to go back check the

1391
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 4: date to make sure that I wasn't hallucinating. But no,

1392
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 4: it was January third, twenty twenty six, when we had

1393
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: our last war with a major oil producer where read

1394
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 4: in some way incapacitated or killed the head of state.

1395
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 4: By the way, we're still just like holding Maduro hostage.

1396
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 4: This is just still a thing that we're doing right now.

1397
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 4: Incredible stuff, incredible like normal government shit, bad things happening.

1398
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 4: But in that episode, which would have been the Executive

1399
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 4: Disorder that came out on Friday the January ninth, I

1400
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: talked about how Venezuelan crude oil is not very good. Right,

1401
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 4: It's extremely sour, kind of sucks. The Kumbo composition is bad.

1402
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 4: The oil in the golf is not like that. This

1403
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 4: is good oil. This is one fifth of the world's

1404
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: crude oil. Supply, right, And also it is now because

1405
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 4: of cutters like liquified natural gas production. This is now

1406
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 4: also a shutdown of a significant portion of the world's

1407
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 4: liquified natural gas, which is again extremely important to the economy.

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01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 4: And also, you know, one of the biggest sort of

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 4: climate hoaxes in all of this, right, and I'm saying

1410
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 4: climate hoaxes here. There's been a whole push to be like, oh,

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01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: we should transition to natural gas because it's cleaner than oil,

1412
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 4: and like kind of a little bit in the sense

1413
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 4: that like dunking your head into a swamp is probably

1414
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 4: cleaner than dunking your head directly into like a shitful toilet.

1415
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 4: And also it's only cleaner assuming that no methane escapes

1416
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 4: through the production process. But the thing is, methane fucking

1417
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 4: escapes during the production process of natural as all the

1418
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 4: fucking time. And methane is like to get a sense,

1419
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 4: So we're talking about greenhouse greenhouse gases here, right, and

1420
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 4: obviously we're familiar with CO two is like the major

1421
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,480
Speaker 4: pollutant that we that we produce. Methane is a greenhouse

1422
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 4: gas that is so fucked that it is better to

1423
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 4: light it on fire and have it burn and have

1424
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 4: it admit that CO two into the air. That is

1425
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 4: better for the environment than letting fucking methane into it.

1426
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 4: It is that fucked of a greenhouse gas, right, And

1427
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 4: you know a lot of this stuff escapes and and

1428
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 4: this this is the point that I've been, you know,

1429
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 4: trying to find a thing to put in this episode.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: One of the big things here is why are we

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 4: still using oil to this extent? And you know, it

1433
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 4: has to do with sort of, I mean just just

1434
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 4: the the the utter cowardice and evil and short sighted

1435
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 4: profit motive chasing of the entire world ruling class. It

1436
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 4: has to do with specific efforts by the oil lobby

1437
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 4: in order to make sure that politics would happen like this.

1438
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 4: You know, we can talk about like the role of

1439
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania and like fracking as like an electoral thing. We

1440
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 4: can talk about sort of the kind of Andreas Molm

1441
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 4: fossil capital thesis about the place that you want to

1442
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 4: produce things being a place that both has stable energy

1443
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 4: and also a sort of I don't know, I guess

1444
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 4: the capitalists would call it disciplined workforce, but like a

1445
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 4: workforce that's not like organized, and that's not militant, so

1446
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 4: you can exploit them. And the places where those things

1447
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 4: are true, for example, like this century largely has been China,

1448
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 4: where you know, if you try to do independent union organizing,

1449
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 4: they will arrest you. Sometimes you will get disappeared. And

1450
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 4: that also coincides with you know, they have an energy grid,

1451
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 4: and the energy grid is extremely pollution intensive. It still

1452
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 4: is even as you know, trying to sort of renewable

1453
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 4: energy push has been happening, is still extremely carbon intensive.

1454
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 4: So okay, obviously, like we're in this nightmare because a

1455
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 4: whole bunch of people who really really really really desperately

1456
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 4: want us to burn the entire world of lives. They

1457
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 4: can keep making money. But we're turning to the original

1458
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 4: thing before I got pissed off about people saying that

1459
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 4: natural gas is cleaner than oil. It's like, just fucking

1460
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 4: use literally any other way to generate energy that's not

1461
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 4: fucking oil or natural gas or coal or I guess

1462
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 4: nuclear too. But like, we have other ways of generating power.

1463
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 4: We could do this. But because we haven't done this,

1464
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 4: this massive decrease in oil supply because again nothing's fucking

1465
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 4: going through the Gulf. There's like a couple of ships

1466
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 4: have gone through. This is causing a crisis in the

1467
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 4: global economy. I'm going to quote the Wall Street Journal.

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01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 4: If the Strait is still closed this Friday, output in

1469
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 4: the region could fall by more than four million barrels

1470
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 4: kind of analystical quoting earlier estimates, the decline could reach

1471
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 4: about nine million by the end of March, representing almost

1472
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 4: a tenth of global demands. Now it's worth noting here,

1473
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 4: right that you know, you look at a tenth of

1474
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: global demand and you go, oh, okay, so it's like

1475
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 4: a ten percent reduction, but it's actually way worse than that,

1476
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 4: because again, people have this tendency to look at oil

1477
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 4: as just liquid money that moves freely around the world.

1478
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 4: But that reduction in supply is not evenly distributed across

1479
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 4: the world. Right, There are countries who have extraordinary needs

1480
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 4: of it who get their oil from the Middle East.

1481
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 4: This is the places like for example, Korea from Thailand,

1482
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 4: b and mar We're gon We're gonna get to you

1483
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 4: in a little bit, are places who are relying on

1484
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 4: this oil. And you know, for South Korea, it's like

1485
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 4: seventy percent of their oil comes from this region, right,

1486
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 4: So that ten percent of global demand is not spread

1487
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 4: eatingly across the world, is intensified into acute crises and

1488
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 4: very very specific economies. And this is a compounding crisis because,

1489
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 4: as the Wall Street Journal points out, like it's not

1490
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 4: just that the strait is closed for the first time ever, right,

1491
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 4: this rait has never been closed, Like there was a

1492
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 4: point where the US was like escorting things through a

1493
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 4: dream the Iron of Rock War, But like it's never

1494
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 4: just been closed before. It's not just that, like you know, oil,

1495
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 4: natural gas and fertilizer isn't coming out of there either,

1496
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 4: which is a real fun problem that we'll talk about

1497
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 4: in a second. This is not just an immediate crisis

1498
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 4: of we can't move the oil that we have out

1499
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 4: there is a secondary crisis, which is that where the

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 4: fuck do you put the oil? Right? If you get

1501
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 4: one thing out of listening to me talk about oil,

1502
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 4: it's that again, it's not just liquid money. It's a

1503
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: material substance. And the actual substance of oil and what

1504
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 4: it is and how it's produced has really wide reaching

1505
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 4: political effects, right, because when you take your stuff out

1506
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 4: of the ground, the system is designed so that it

1507
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 4: is moved extremely quickly. Now there are countries like a

1508
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 4: rock that you could in theory still produce oil, right,

1509
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 4: but there aren't enough containers to store it, so they

1510
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 4: have to shop production down. Now you could be like, okay,

1511
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 4: well but why don't they just ship it out through

1512
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 4: the Mediterranean, and the answers that the pipelines and the

1513
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 4: shipping equipment there just don't have the throughput. Oil distribution

1514
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 4: is very, very flexible, and this is what makes disrupting

1515
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 4: it harder than something like coal used to be. But

1516
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 4: it is designed to a point to be sort of

1517
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 4: nodal and flexible and able to sort of deal with

1518
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 4: supply reduction crises, right. It's not designed to deal with this,

1519
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 4: which is a full on energy crisis level, like, oh

1520
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 4: by god, we can't get oil out through the trade

1521
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 4: of removes. This is a scale of issue that can't

1522
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 4: simply be solved by just moving the supply around and

1523
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 4: distributing it differently. This is not a solution to this,

1524
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 4: and so these are having these interlocking effects right because

1525
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: also again, these things are designed to be going constantly

1526
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 4: and it's not just a thing where you can just

1527
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 4: turn it off and turn it back on again. It

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 4: doesn't work like that. These are actual, very very complicated,

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01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 4: tendic goal processes. If you turn these things off, this

1530
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 4: is again very important. If you turn these wells off,

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 4: some of them will never turn back on again. So

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01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 4: we're talking about permanent damage to the supply. Right, even

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01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 4: if tomorrow, right like the war is suddenly over and

1534
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 4: everything quote unquote goes back to normal, we're talking about

1535
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 4: still like permanent damage to the supply. And this is

1536
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 4: where again you can be like, well, okay, but like,

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01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: why don't we just condition from oil? And again you

1538
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 4: can also ask like why should we give a shit

1539
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 4: about this? There's a few reasons when I say this

1540
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 4: is a compounding crisis. The Wall Stree Journal talked about

1541
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 4: this a little bit, but in every article you read

1542
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 4: about this, you will see people making the argument that, oh,

1543
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 4: it's fine, Like the US is more insulated than it

1544
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 4: was from oil prices in the seventies when it just

1545
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 4: like caused a major global crisis. And that's kind of

1546
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 4: true to a certain extent, Right, the US is an

1547
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 4: oil producer, but also again, oil is not just something

1548
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 4: that's used for cars, right, and our domestic economy doesn't

1549
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 4: just rely on oil like you can't just you know,

1550
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 4: you can you make plastics out of oil?

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01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 6: Right?

1552
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 4: But even that, you don't just make things wholesale out

1553
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 4: of oil. Like everything you consume has other things in it,

1554
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 4: and it relies on products like, for example, aluminum and

1555
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 4: things like copper and everything from basic commodities to sort

1556
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 4: of like refined goods that rely on there being oil. Right.

1557
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 4: Like again we're talking about South Korea's economy. South Korea produces.

1558
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: There's a whole bunch of microtrip production stuff that goes

1559
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 4: on there. You know, there's like Samsung, right, major foam manufacturer,

1560
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: So there's all of this very very high tech stuff too.

1561
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: On the sort of on the bottom end, we're talking

1562
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 4: about like you can't refine a luminum anymore, you know, right,

1563
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 4: not that you can't, like like places are shutting down

1564
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 4: their cassidy to do it because they can't get oil

1565
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 4: or they can't afford this oil. To the extent that

1566
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 4: we're seeing something called force maith Zura and being deployed

1567
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 4: by a whole bunch of companies across the world in

1568
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: different sectors and forced majoritam is this is this legal

1569
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 4: concept you can apply that It's like it's like an

1570
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 4: act of God where for example, like I don't know,

1571
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 4: if there's like a once in a century earthquake and

1572
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 4: it like obliterates your factory, You're not legally liable to

1573
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 4: pay stuff out to people because it's an act of God,

1574
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 4: like you, you can't be legally held liable for it.

1575
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 4: And people are doing this for their aluminum production to

1576
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 4: say like yeah, sorry, we can't meet our tracks, we

1577
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 4: can't meet our quotas that you bought from us, Like

1578
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: not our fault, nothing we can do about it. It's

1579
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 4: happening with oil producers. Because it's also worth noting that

1580
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 4: it's not just that the Strait is closed. Iran is

1581
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 4: also hitting oil facilities. Israel is also hitting oil facilities

1582
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 4: in Iran. They hit one in Tehran, like a massive

1583
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 4: one in Tehran that's releasing all of these fucking toxic

1584
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 4: chemicals into the air, and that has set off a

1585
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 4: massive ecological crisis because all of these people are Enormous

1586
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 4: numbers of people in Iran are going to die because

1587
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 4: of this, not just because of the bombings, but because

1588
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 4: it turns out when you fucking blow up an oil

1589
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 4: facility releases a bunch of extremely toxic chemicals into the

1590
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 4: air that caused fucking cancer and stuff like that. And

1591
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 4: so what you're dealing with, right, is this crisis in

1592
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 4: which all of these different aspects of the economy that

1593
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 4: rely on oil are impacted. Right, it's basic commodities, it's

1594
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 4: highly advanced like parts of of like subig conductor manufacturing.

1595
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 4: It's you know, all of these things that rely on

1596
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 4: oil are suddenly constrained, and suddenly the supply chains are fragmenting.

1597
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 4: You know, the US gets things from all over the world,

1598
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 4: but the crisis right now has mostly been hitting East Asia. Right.

1599
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 4: I talked about Korea, we talked about high Land. The

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01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 4: thing is, right, crises in East Asia do not stay

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01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 4: in East Asia. Like the Asian market collapse, heralded a

1602
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 4: whole bunch of other debt crises. This is the Asian

1603
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 4: market class in the nineties, right, Herald's a bunch of

1604
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 4: debt crises in places like Mexico. Heralds the collapse of

1605
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 4: the US economy and draining the dot com bubble. It

1606
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: as say it with me, long time listeners of the show,

1607
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 4: is what causes the reverse Plaza Accords try to bail

1608
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 4: out the entire world economy, which is where the US,

1609
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 4: like nuked its own manufacturing economy. By reversing Reagan's attempt

1610
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 4: to force all of the rest of the countries in

1611
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 4: the world to increase the value of their currencies relative

1612
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 4: to the dollars of the US, he compete in manufacturing better,

1613
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 4: you know. So it affects all these places, you know,

1614
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 4: and that that effect will boomerang back here. But as

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 4: as is always true with American imperialism, the people suffering

1616
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 4: from this the most are not Americans. It's people in Iran, right,

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01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 4: It's people who are getting fucking blown up. It's people

1618
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 4: who are breathing in toxic chemicals as people whose lives

1619
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:29,799
Speaker 4: have been destroyed and ruined by American imperialism. And beyond Iran,

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 4: it's Pakistan, it's India, it's Bangladesh, it's Taiwan, it's Thailand,

1621
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 4: it's the Philippines, South Korea, it's Mia and mar like

1622
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 4: it's Indonesia designan to lesser sent in Genesia. But you know,

1623
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 4: we're talking about potential crop failures from lack of fertilizer, right,

1624
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 4: We're talking about economic ruin. We're talking about the destabilization

1625
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: of the world economy, or talking about people dying for

1626
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: fucking cancer when we're talking about the global economic effects

1627
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 4: of this. That's what we're really dealing with here, regardless

1628
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 4: of what happens on the American stock markets, is a

1629
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 4: whole bunch of people who never had anything to do

1630
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,759
Speaker 4: with this fucking suffering and dying because of the fucking

1631
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,839
Speaker 4: greed and pride and vanity and hatred of the American

1632
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 4: ruling class. Now, I'm going to close on a slightly

1633
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 4: lighter note, which is people who follow the economy very

1634
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 4: closely will be talking about how kost B, the Korean index,

1635
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: had a massive bubble and that's why it collapsed, and

1636
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 4: that's why it had like two circuit breakers, and that's

1637
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 4: why it's going down so much. That's kind of true, right,

1638
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 4: But that bubble is an AI bubble. Now it is

1639
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 4: a larger and more concentrated version of the American AI bubble.

1640
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 4: But you know, the American economy is an AI bubble.

1641
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 4: And the thing about AI is that it's propped up

1642
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 4: by gas prices.

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01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 14: Right.

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01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 4: AI is enormously enormously fuel intensive, but it wastes a

1645
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 4: staggering on a hinged amount of energy, right, And it

1646
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 4: could only really function as long as those oil prices

1647
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 4: are very cheap, and as long as natural gas prices

1648
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 4: are cheap. And it's also worth noting that, you know,

1649
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 4: these AI things are also do a physical infrastructure. Because

1650
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 4: these people are just like absolute clowns. They've been buying

1651
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 4: into the Golf monarchy's attempts to attract a tech sector there,

1652
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 4: so they've been hit and Iran has been taking advantage

1653
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 4: of this by hitting Amazon data centers in the Golf States.

1654
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 4: So that's another way where this can potentially just sort

1655
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 4: of toss a nuke into the global economy, is that

1656
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 4: like the price of running all of these AI things

1657
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 4: suddenly starts to increase. And the kind of worst case

1658
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 4: scenario scenario for this, right, the one that we've been

1659
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: looking at in terms of what could happen to the

1660
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 4: world economy is what's been being discussed more and more,

1661
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 4: which is a version of the Crisis of the seven,

1662
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 4: which is an economic crisis of increasing inflation and also

1663
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 4: increasing unemployment that completely reshaped the entire global economy. It's

1664
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 4: why we have deoliberalism, you know, it's a complete collapse

1665
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 4: with the social democratic system that I come before. It

1666
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 4: it changes the entire global world order. Right, the US

1667
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 4: goes off the gold standard, like things change that had

1668
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 4: never changed before. And we're going to talk about that

1669
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 4: more on the tariff episode. But that, to a large

1670
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 4: extent to the ruling class is what is at stake here, right,

1671
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 4: It's whether it is worth destroying the global economy in

1672
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 4: order for Trump to kill what people and I wrong.

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01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 4: This has been Nickuldoppen here.

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01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and this is it could

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01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: Happen Here. Today, We've got a special episode for you.

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01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: This is a guest episode by all of a Minneapolis

1677
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: resident and movement legal worker who hosts the Outlaw podcast. So,

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01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,520
Speaker 2: without further ado, here's Olive.

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01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:24,480
Speaker 24: Minneapolis Print put hi, and welcome to the first crossover

1680
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 24: episode of It Could Happen Here and Outlaw, an anti

1681
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 24: oppression podcast where we demystify how the law is used

1682
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 24: to neutralize descent in the US.

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01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 25: I'm your host, Olive. I live in Minneapolis, and if

1684
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 25: you've read a single headline over the last two months,

1685
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 25: you probably know that we are battling the largest immigration

1686
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 25: enforcement operation in US history. Since early December, Minnesota has

1687
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 25: been occupied by three thousand agents from Immigration and Customs

1688
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:03,440
Speaker 25: Enforcement ICE and Customs and Border Protection who have already abducted, imprisoned,

1689
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 25: and deported at least four thousand people. In the face

1690
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 25: of this devastating federal occupation, people are showing up every

1691
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 25: single day to defend their migrant neighbors in unimaginably beautiful ways.

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 25: And on the other side of this effective resistance is

1693
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 25: expansive legal repression all of the many ways the state

1694
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 25: uses the law and its enforcement mechanisms to crush dissent.

1695
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 25: More than four hundred people have been arrested for protesting

1696
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 25: ICE or following ICE vehicles, with thirty five of them

1697
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:44,520
Speaker 25: now facing federal charges under eighteen USC one eleven assaulting, resisting,

1698
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 25: or impeding a federal officer. I think it's really important

1699
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 25: for those of you outside of Minnesota to know how

1700
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 25: law enforcement and political prosecution are working here because it

1701
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 25: might come to where you live to and it's different

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01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 25: than other kinds of movement repression I've seen. Instead of

1703
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 25: the agencies that normally police citizen protesters, like local and

1704
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:10,959
Speaker 25: state cops or the FBI, it's primarily ICE and CBP

1705
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 25: who are carrying out arrests, and its Homeland Security investigations

1706
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 25: doing the investigations. It's happening this way because arrests are

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01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 25: mostly happening when people are responding to ICE activity, and

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01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 25: so those are the agencies who are present to make arrests.

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01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 25: This impacts everything from how arrests go down and the

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01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 25: conditions of incarceration to the kinds of charges that people

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01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 25: are catching. To understand what all this actually means, you

1712
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 25: need to hear from those who are experiencing it, the

1713
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 25: people who have been detained and prosecuted for protesting ICE.

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01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 25: So in this episode you'll hear two interviews from Minneapolis

1715
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 25: rapid responders. First, you'll hear from Clem and Ray about

1716
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 25: their experience being arrested out of their car and taken

1717
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 25: into ICE attention. And second, Lucy and Isabelle will talk

1718
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 25: about catching charges and navigating cases during the surge. Stick

1719
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 25: around at the end for a special treat, a poem

1720
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 25: from isabel and a new song out of Minneapolis that

1721
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 25: responds to the surge, and just the heads up before

1722
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 25: we get into it. In this episode, you're going to

1723
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 25: hear people talk about their first hand experiences with police violence.

1724
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 25: So take care of yourself and if you like the episode,

1725
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 25: check out the other episodes of Outlaw wherever you listen

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01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 25: to podcasts.

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01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 4: Indigenous, from the North, from the South.

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01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 5: From everywhere.

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Speaker 25: Welcome to Outlaw. You're both here to talk about legal

1730
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 25: oppression of ice Watch in Minneapolis over the past two months.

1731
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 25: Can you both introduce yourselves briefly and your connection to

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01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:51,879
Speaker 25: the Twin Cities.

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01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 26: I am ray Is they then pronouns. I'm from here,

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01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 26: I grip here and have lived most of my life

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01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 26: in the Twin Cities, and I now live in Potterhorn

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01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 26: Park that's in South Minneapolis.

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01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 25: Site of high ice activity, the highest I believe.

1738
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 26: I would think that is true, and quite close to

1739
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 26: the sites of George Floyd as well as Renee Goods murders.

1740
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 6: My name is Clem.

1741
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 27: I've lived in the Cities for like five years maybe now.

1742
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 27: I grew up in the Southwest, and I also live

1743
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,480
Speaker 27: on the border of Powder Horn in the Central neighborhood,

1744
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 27: so kind of yeah, halfway between where Renee was shot

1745
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 27: and where George Floyd was killed.

1746
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 25: So you both were arrested while you were doing ice

1747
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 25: Watch in your car. For people who are listening, this

1748
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 25: gets called commuting here. It can look different ways, but

1749
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 25: it often involves a hyper local signal call with a

1750
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 25: dispatcher and commuters to be able to notify and dispatch

1751
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 25: rapid responders. When ICE is around, Commuters track ICE vehicles,

1752
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 25: oftentimes following them around, which ICE doesn't like. So my

1753
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 25: question for you two is what kinds of tactics have

1754
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 25: you witnessed agents used to stop this kind of rapid

1755
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 25: response organizing.

1756
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 27: I feel like they have escalated and it always depends

1757
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,599
Speaker 27: on the agent, But there's times where they'll just slow

1758
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 27: roll and drive like a normal person. There's times where

1759
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 27: they'll run red lights, they'll break check you, they'll just

1760
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 27: like go in loops around the city to try and

1761
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 27: lose you. And then depending on however they are, they'll

1762
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 27: try and pull you over and intimidate you, or they'll

1763
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 27: try and lead you to like a police station or

1764
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 27: have a share of pull you over. And they've threatened

1765
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 27: people with like stocking charges and stuff like that. And yeah,

1766
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 27: we personally have been We've had agents come up to

1767
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 27: our windows when we were commuting, the two of us,

1768
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 27: we've had we followed its like all the way to

1769
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 27: northeast and a long time, probably like an hour, and

1770
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 27: then eventually downtown they had sheriffs pull up on us

1771
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 27: and pull us over and tell us to stop following.

1772
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 6: And then we have the other thing that I'm sure

1773
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 6: you won't to talk to us about.

1774
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 26: A lot of what we've been seeing is just this recklessness,

1775
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 26: like speainning through red lights and not signaling, just like

1776
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 26: a lot of like traffic violations, and then once you're

1777
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 26: pulled over, just having your windows smashed it and like

1778
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 26: them using all these intimidation tactics but like not necessarily

1779
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 26: detaining people.

1780
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 27: Yeah, and all of these vehicles don't necessarily look like

1781
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 27: a cop car. It's pretty rare for them to like

1782
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 27: actually turn on their lights and sirens. So when they're

1783
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 27: going through intersections as quote unquote law enforcement, it's pretty

1784
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 27: rare for someone to see them. And there are times

1785
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 27: where we almost witness like t bones of that just

1786
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 27: recklessly running a red light.

1787
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, all the time.

1788
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 25: There's been a good number of car accidents also involving

1789
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 25: their cars.

1790
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, and like not even caused by communing.

1791
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 27: They've just slipped on ice and ran into poles, and

1792
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 27: then they tear gas observers who were hackling them because

1793
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 27: they don't know how to drive in Minnesota.

1794
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

1795
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 25: Let's turn to January seventh, twenty twenty sixth, the same

1796
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 25: day Renee Good was killed by Ice. You both were

1797
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 25: out commuting. Can you tell me about how that day

1798
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 25: started for you?

1799
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 26: It was me picking up Clem and immediately there was

1800
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 26: like a sus car that like zoomed off and then

1801
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 26: Clem checked the plate and it was Ice that we

1802
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 26: think was just waiting outside of the house to intimidate. Unclear,

1803
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 26: but I mean it certainly felt that way. Had anything

1804
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,879
Speaker 26: happened like that to you before Clem with them targeting

1805
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 26: the house, wasn't there something that.

1806
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 27: I think at that point because they've used the tactic

1807
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 27: too of like when an observer is tailing them, they'll

1808
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 27: run your license plate and then drive you back to

1809
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 27: your house that the car is registered to as an

1810
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 27: intimidation tactic, and they'll get out and take pictures of

1811
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 27: the house. But I think at that point, me and

1812
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 27: my roommates that hadn't happened yet. But we had spent

1813
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 27: a lot of time at Whipple, like just observing the

1814
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 27: cars going in now the gates and trying to record

1815
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 27: all that data. And when you're there, there's just like

1816
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 27: intimidation vehicles that will just like drive up right next

1817
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,520
Speaker 27: to your driver's side window and film you and take pictures.

1818
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 27: So it was certainly in some sort of database at

1819
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:48,719
Speaker 27: that point. But what's whipple Whipple is the federal building

1820
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 27: that is near Fort Snelling State Park, which is by

1821
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 27: the airport, and that's where ICE has been operating out of,

1822
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 27: and it's the command headquarters for like the entire Upper Midwest.

1823
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 27: So wass gone in Minnesota? The Dakota is I think

1824
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 27: Iowa too?

1825
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 25: Okay, So the day starts off, there's an ICE agent

1826
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 25: outside your house and you get in the car to

1827
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 25: start commuting. Tell me about what happens next.

1828
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 6: The abandoned car, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1829
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 27: The first thing I responded to is near Little Earth,

1830
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 27: which is like a gated community but for like people

1831
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 27: who were like an urban reservation is what it calls itself.

1832
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 27: And there was a call of ICE at a park

1833
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 27: nearby there, and we showed up and there was just

1834
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 27: an abandoned car. And when I went and talked to

1835
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 27: someone on the street you staying next to it, basically

1836
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 27: explained the situation of ICE rolled up on them and

1837
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 27: they ran on foot and left the car, and they

1838
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 27: basically had to push the car out of the road

1839
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,520
Speaker 27: and then they ended up locking it because the person's documents.

1840
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 27: So I was staying with the car and calling TOATRA

1841
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 27: companies that have offered free toes for people who have

1842
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 27: gone inducted. And so we were probably there for like,

1843
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 27: I don't know, more than thirty minutes, and I think

1844
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:12,799
Speaker 27: as that was happening is when Renee was shot.

1845
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 6: So neither of us were like.

1846
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 27: On the call or looking at shots or anything, and

1847
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 27: we like went home for a break, and that's when

1848
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 27: we heard the news of that.

1849
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 26: Yeah, because I lived really close by to there, and

1850
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 26: there was a lot of swirling information, so people saying,

1851
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 26: you know, someone was shot, and then at first people

1852
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 26: being like, come down to this area, and then you know,

1853
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 26: very shortly after people being like it's totally cordoned off,

1854
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 26: don't come down. There's also enough observers and we need

1855
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 26: people to be out there doing this still, because like

1856
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 26: we can't invest all of our resources into this.

1857
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 4: One thing that's happening.

1858
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:56,440
Speaker 26: And probably within the hours when we got the message

1859
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 26: that was saying that there were vehicles staged in a

1860
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 26: parking lot the street, So we drove down there and

1861
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 26: there were already observers, people in cars and on foot,

1862
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 26: probably around thirty people, and it was kind of a

1863
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 26: standoff of these vehicles, probably around five fish vehicles and

1864
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 26: then people blowing whistles, honking horns, and so Clem and

1865
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 26: I were there in the car doing that.

1866
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 25: So you see the news that Renee was killed and

1867
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 25: for doing exactly what you were doing, driving around your

1868
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 25: neighborhood to look out for your neighbors, and you get

1869
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 25: back in.

1870
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 4: The car and you keep going. Yeah, that didn't stop us.

1871
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 26: I mean, if anything, it you know, made us feel

1872
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 26: like we need to be out here because they're not stopping.

1873
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 6: We're not going to stop either.

1874
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 25: So you said, you arrive at the next scene, where

1875
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 25: how are you and what is Ice doing there?

1876
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's the Dollar Tree parking lot, which is like

1877
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 27: on Lake Street and the Uptown area. And yeah, there's

1878
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 27: five vehicles presumably staging because what we've been calling out

1879
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 27: when they're just like parked planning what they're going to

1880
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 27: do next. And there weren't any agents out of car.

1881
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 27: It was just a bunch of cars sitting there that

1882
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 27: we knew were Ice.

1883
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 4: And a bunch of observers were responding.

1884
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 26: Yeah, we were just like in the parking lot. They

1885
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 26: could still have driven around us, like there was room

1886
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 26: on either side of our car that they could have

1887
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 26: driven past us. And then in addition to that, they

1888
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 26: could have driven around like there were just several options

1889
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 26: for them to get around us. At that point, I

1890
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 26: think some agents got out and were like move.

1891
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 6: Your vehicle, move your vehicle, and.

1892
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 26: One of the cars this like huge suv ramm to

1893
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 26: the back of my car to get it out.

1894
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 4: Of the way while you were in it.

1895
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 26: What we were in it, Yeah, And I think at

1896
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 26: that point Clem turned to me and was like, they're

1897
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 26: gonna smash out the windows, and I was like yep.

1898
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 26: And so at that point I think we were both

1899
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 26: prepared for for what was going to happen, I guess though.

1900
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 26: Also I mean once they smashed the back of the car,

1901
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 26: I was thinking like, Okay, they got us.

1902
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 4: Out of the way, like that might be it.

1903
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 26: But then so the cars out of the way, but

1904
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 26: they all got out of their vehicles. They first maced

1905
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 26: the windows so it's like they have a die in it.

1906
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 26: It's like a bright orange and they maced the passenger,

1907
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 26: the driver, and the windshields windows, and then they came

1908
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 26: around on they smashed both both of the passenger and

1909
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 26: driver windows and then sprayed bear mace through Clem side

1910
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 26: into both of our faces right before they smashed the windows.

1911
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 26: We grabbed each other's hands and we just held hands

1912
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 26: as it was happening around us. And then I saw

1913
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 26: that bright orange mace coming from the passenger window, so

1914
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 26: they sprayed it directly in Clem's face, and then they

1915
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 26: reached over and sprayed me, and they were able to

1916
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 26: open up the doors with the windows smashed, and they

1917
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 26: dragged us out and he punched me in the jaw,

1918
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 26: like in the lip really while they cuffed me, and

1919
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:44,440
Speaker 26: they used pain compliance.

1920
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 6: It's like a.

1921
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 12: I mean, it's torture.

1922
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 26: So they've pulled my wrist up or my hand up

1923
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 26: against my arm with the cuffs on, and then pulled

1924
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 26: me or like up against the vehicle where I was

1925
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 26: detained separately from the Clem. You can talk about what

1926
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 26: happened to you at the same time.

1927
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 27: Yeah, So I could feel the door open, and then

1928
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 27: they tried to yank me out and under my seat

1929
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 27: belt and I was holding onto the seat belt and

1930
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 27: eventually they got that undone and I was just like

1931
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 27: trying to hold on to you as tired as I

1932
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 27: could until they were able to break that grasp, and

1933
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 27: then two agents pulled me out and slammed me on

1934
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 27: the floor and got on top of me and put

1935
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 27: me in cuffs, and I'm still just have my eyes

1936
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 27: closed so the mace doesn't get in them. And yeah,

1937
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,640
Speaker 27: from there, I fell a few times and kept just

1938
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 27: being dead weight, and they kept trying to take me

1939
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 27: to cars, but they didn't know which car they were

1940
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 27: supposed to go to where they would go to a car,

1941
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 27: and they didn't have the keys for it, so I

1942
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 27: would just like kept getting walked in circles, not seeing

1943
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 27: what was going on, and like hearing the confusion of

1944
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 27: all of them, until eventually I got put in the

1945
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 27: back of a car and you got put into a

1946
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 27: separate car.

1947
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 26: And the way there, I mostly just was focused on

1948
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 26: breathing through the pain on the way to Whipple, and

1949
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 26: like what was so disgusting to me? I mean, it

1950
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 26: was so fresh in our minds that Renee had just

1951
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 26: been killed, right, And I'm hearing them singing on the radio.

1952
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 26: There was one agent who is singing like I got

1953
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 26: a pucket, got a packet for the sunshine or something

1954
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 26: like that, and a lot of laughter. I remember the

1955
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 26: phrases fucking Somali's and later one of them complaining about

1956
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 26: all these fucking whistles, and I remember thinking like, oh, fuck, yeah,

1957
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 26: they're working, and wasn't too long before we arrived in

1958
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 26: the garage. It's just giant garage where they process people

1959
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 26: and there are mostly agents vehicles, and people have been detained,

1960
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 26: like a line of people have been detained.

1961
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1962
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 25: I just want to point a couple of things out

1963
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 25: in what you both have said. That's a little bit

1964
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 25: different than we normally see in protests related legal repression,

1965
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:31,560
Speaker 25: which is one detention of people who are citizen protesters

1966
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 25: or just people arrested for protest activity by ICE, by

1967
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 25: immigration enforcement, or by federal agents in general. That's usually

1968
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 25: something that is done by state or local law enforcement

1969
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 25: cops or sheriffs, and people are taken to the local

1970
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 25: jail for processing. But here what's happening is you're being

1971
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 25: taken to Whipple, which is the ICE detention center where

1972
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 25: all non citizens detained by ICE for immigration reasons are

1973
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 25: also taken and processed. But you're also being brought there,

1974
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 25: so you're getting a window into ICE operations and you're

1975
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 25: taken into a place that people also normally don't have

1976
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 25: access to. It's a pretty high security building that they

1977
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:14,640
Speaker 25: don't like people from the outside inside.

1978
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 4: But there you are in the garage.

1979
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah.

1980
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 26: So we're on our knees, and at one point I

1981
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 26: commented on how young the people looked that were holding clem,

1982
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 26: and they pulled us apart and they brought me to

1983
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 26: the opposite side of the garage and they're still using

1984
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 26: the pain compliance They're filming me.

1985
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:39,799
Speaker 4: The whole time.

1986
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 26: There was just a bunch of agents that were filming me,

1987
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 26: and like three guys that were like on me, and

1988
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,799
Speaker 26: I said to them, I said, make it hurt, daddy,

1989
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 26: and I was being mouthy, and just this one guy

1990
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 26: in particularly seems really freaked out by that, and they

1991
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 26: he pushed me to the ground with my face to

1992
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 26: the floor, and he said, you like the dirt, queer.

1993
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 26: And my reaction for a lot of the time that

1994
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 26: this is happening is I just was laughing and laughing,

1995
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 26: and I said, yeah, I fucking love the dirt, like

1996
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 26: I love the dirt more than anything. And I don't

1997
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 26: know how long I was like that, but they kept

1998
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 26: me on the ground and then eventually brought us in

1999
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 26: to bring us to the cells.

2000
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 27: We walked past like this central command hub with all

2001
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 27: of these people who are working in this so called

2002
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 27: metro Surge operation, and then on the left were cells

2003
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,719
Speaker 27: of people who had been detained. I think we passed

2004
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 27: at least five cells from what we could see, and

2005
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 27: they were filled just like wall to wall of black

2006
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 27: and brown people that yeah, I had like one toilet

2007
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 27: in there, so probably at least like two or three

2008
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 27: hundred people in there.

2009
01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 26: The desolation sticks with me and they led me to

2010
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 26: a separate cell. Then Clem and this other person that

2011
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,799
Speaker 26: we were detained with, and these were seemingly like the

2012
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 26: remaining cells that were available in the in the whole area,

2013
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 26: because I mean it was just full of like they

2014
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,679
Speaker 26: were like completely a capacity with a number of people

2015
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 26: they've abducted. Clem and I are were in there for

2016
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 26: hours with mace in our eyes and like.

2017
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 4: No relief from that.

2018
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 26: And I remember just laying on the ground and an

2019
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 26: agent coming in pretty soon after being an asshole, and

2020
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 26: he was like, we've got gourmet potato and chicken and

2021
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 26: Brussels sprouts or something, and he hands me this like

2022
01:53:54,200 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 26: little plastic container with like this just this white haste

2023
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 26: or like just new you know, just.

2024
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:07,560
Speaker 27: Like a microwave meal of goop, just disgusting goop.

2025
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 26: But we were in there for a while before being

2026
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 26: taken back, and I think they took me back first,

2027
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 26: and I refused to say anything without a lawyer obviously.

2028
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 26: They hand me a piece of paper and after reading

2029
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:29,599
Speaker 26: me or my rights, and they said, actually, we need

2030
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 26: you to read these back to us to confirm that

2031
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 26: you speak English and understand English.

2032
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 6: And I was like, weird, but okay.

2033
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 26: So I start to read it and it's all pretty normal,

2034
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 26: and then I get to a paragraph that says something

2035
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 26: to the effect of like, knowing these rights, I wave

2036
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 26: my rights. So I was being tricked into waving my rights,

2037
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 26: which I thought I was going crazy. I did not

2038
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 26: understand at the time, and I stopped halfway through the

2039
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 26: sentence and I read it over and over, trying to

2040
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 26: make sense of it. And I said to them, I

2041
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 26: was like, I don't understand what I'm being asked to read.

2042
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 26: I'm not going to keep reading this and they were like,

2043
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 26: that's okay, we have what we need and they took

2044
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 26: it back and then I got a phone call Clempton up.

2045
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 27: We got taken into the interrogation room and it was

2046
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 27: like too homeland security, I don't know, like detective or whatever.

2047
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 27: But they like opened it with saying like I know

2048
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 27: this is all like can be a lot right now,

2049
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 27: so feel free to just like let it loose in

2050
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:32,280
Speaker 27: this room.

2051
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 6: And I just like kind of looked at them, like

2052
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 6: what are you talking about?

2053
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 27: Like it's it was jarring to go from dealing with

2054
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 27: a month of seeing only these people in masks and

2055
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 27: just like as this like horrible monstrosity of like a fascist,

2056
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 27: and then being inside of there and like seeing that

2057
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 27: command setter of all those people working on the computers

2058
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 27: like making this whole thing work, and then all these

2059
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 27: detectives who like think they're detached from it and think

2060
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 27: that they're not a part of what's going down on

2061
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 27: the streets right now just because they're working inside the building.

2062
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 27: And yeah, so the same thing happened. They try to

2063
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 27: ask me questions and I said I wouldn't say anything

2064
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 27: without a lawyer president, and I asked for a phone call,

2065
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 27: and they did the same thing with the rights where

2066
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 27: they were going to read them to me, and then

2067
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 27: what the other detectives said, actually, we don't need to

2068
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 27: do that, and so one of them just left for

2069
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 27: a bit, and so I was just like left in

2070
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 27: the room with the like assistant detective and he just

2071
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 27: like asked me some how's your day going question? And

2072
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 27: I just kind of dead stare at him for like

2073
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 27: twenty minutes, which felt pretty good because he was very

2074
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 27: uncomfortable and kept just like avoiding eye contact. And I

2075
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 27: don't know, it's the small amount of power you can

2076
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 27: have when you're in a cage. And I got taken

2077
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 27: back to my room and tried the intercom and stuff

2078
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 27: i could get a phone call, and they said I'll

2079
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 27: get a phone call after booking. So I was pretty

2080
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 27: worried about what was going to happen. Actually they said

2081
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 27: they had lawyer president and yeah, these two real cool

2082
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 27: lores were there that we know and are friends with,

2083
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 27: and they explained that we'd be out pretty shortly.

2084
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 26: And yeah, and then we were able to get out

2085
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 26: and go home. But I feel really haunted by the

2086
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,879
Speaker 26: fact that we were in there for maybe a handful

2087
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 26: of hours, and of course there are all these people

2088
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 26: that are stuck there that aren't going to be able

2089
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 26: to go home. The way we did, and then I

2090
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 26: took the most painful shower of my life because the

2091
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 26: water just I did the cold water thing, and my

2092
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 26: lawyer friend had and me about it was like, you know,

2093
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 26: try not to get it in your bits, but I

2094
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 26: totally did and it was excruciating.

2095
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 25: One of the things we talk about on the show

2096
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 25: is how to counteract the chilling effects of oppression and

2097
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,400
Speaker 25: just the trauma of a day like this that having

2098
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 25: violent interactions with law enforcement can cause. And I really

2099
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 25: appreciate you both sharing and going back into this experience

2100
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 25: that happened now almost exactly a month ago from when

2101
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 25: we're recording today. I'm curious if you have thoughts on

2102
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 25: what you've learned and moving through this experience, lessons you've

2103
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 25: learned that you'd want others to know about about how

2104
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 25: to move through something like this and keep getting out

2105
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 25: there as I know you both have.

2106
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 27: I don't really know how to move through it, but

2107
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 27: it's yeah, I feel like it still lives in my body,

2108
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 27: and that fear has definitely changed me. But it's been

2109
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 27: nice to have friends and community, and there's been a

2110
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 27: lot of like free sort of like bodywork, and I

2111
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 27: tried acupuncture for the first time, which was really nice.

2112
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, just having people that have your back.

2113
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 27: And knowing that, like, you're not alone in this, Like

2114
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 27: since we've been arrested, there's been hundreds of people in

2115
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 27: the same exact boat as us, And yeah, it feels

2116
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 27: good to know we're not an outlier.

2117
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 6: Here unapologetically, unapologetically.

2118
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 25: Myself, like most anti ICE protesters arrested here during the surge.

2119
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 25: Clem and Ray were released pending charges, but the legal

2120
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 25: landscape is rapidly shifting. At least thirty out of the

2121
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 25: thirty five federal cases from the past two months, we're

2122
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 25: charged retroactively in the past few weeks. To give you

2123
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 25: a sense of how these cases might unfold and what

2124
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 25: it's like to face these charges. You'll hear from two

2125
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 25: Minneapolis based anti ICE protesters facing criminal charges for responding

2126
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 25: to a raid at Takaia las Cuatros Muthbus that took

2127
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 25: place back on June third, twenty five. Isabel Lopez faces

2128
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 25: federal charges and Lucy faces state charges from that day.

2129
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:31,520
Speaker 25: Their June cases are still open today, and Lucy also

2130
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 25: caught federal charges after responding to an ICE raid that

2131
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 25: took place during Operation Metro surch.

2132
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:41,520
Speaker 24: We shouldn't be so concerned with everything.

2133
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:43,440
Speaker 4: Welcome, Isabel and Lucy.

2134
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 25: We're going to talk today about legal oppression you both

2135
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 25: are experiencing for protesting ice in Minneapolis. But before we

2136
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 25: even start that conversation, can you both introduce yourselves, your

2137
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,320
Speaker 25: connection to the Twin Cities and share a little bit

2138
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 25: about who you are side of the topic of today's conversation.

2139
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 25: Isabella can start with you.

2140
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 12: Je. Hi'm my name is Celle La.

2141
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 28: I'm a community I don't know, organizer, helper, and I'm

2142
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:19,240
Speaker 28: also spoken word poet. I've been writing and doing performances

2143
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 28: here in the Twin Cities for like since like twenty twenty,

2144
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:25,040
Speaker 28: but the old George Ford thing. Yeah, and I've also

2145
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:28,760
Speaker 28: done other organizing when it comes to the climate justice

2146
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 28: movement and also indigenous rights.

2147
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:33,400
Speaker 12: I have supple Tech Benzara Asis and like that's just

2148
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 12: important for me.

2149
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 4: So yeah.

2150
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 12: But I was born in Chicago, race here in the

2151
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 12: Twin Cities.

2152
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:44,520
Speaker 16: Hi, Lucy, I've been in Minneapolis since I don't know,

2153
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 16: the early twenty tens, but I lived in Minnesota forever.

2154
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 16: I mean, I've been in and out, but I feed people.

2155
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 16: I'm allowed bitch, I'll make noises, I make songs, make

2156
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:01,600
Speaker 16: good trouble.

2157
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 25: Okay, So you were both arrested and charged after a

2158
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 25: multi agency raid that took place back on June third,

2159
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 25: twenty twenty five at Las Quatro Milpas, a Mexican tacorea

2160
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 25: in South Minneapolis. Officials still say that it was not

2161
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 25: an ICE raid and that they were executing a warrant

2162
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 25: for drug trafficking, but ICE agents were confirmed on site

2163
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:28,000
Speaker 25: alongside ten other federal agencies and local cops, and the

2164
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:31,080
Speaker 25: owner of the tacorea ended up in ICED attention. The

2165
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 25: raid and response went pretty viral. The operation was heavily militarized,

2166
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 25: and hundreds of neighbors turned out in protest. Lisa, you

2167
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,640
Speaker 25: were charged with three counts of obstructing, impeding, or assaulting

2168
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:47,280
Speaker 25: a federal officer and a fourth count of impeding a

2169
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 25: federal investigation. And Lucy you're facing state level charges from

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Speaker 25: that day and federal assault charges. I'd love to hear

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Speaker 25: from you both a little bit about your experiences getting arrested,

2172
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 25: catching charges. What do you want people to know about

2173
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 25: what that experience was like.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, so I wasn't arrested until like three or four

2175
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 28: days later, because it happened on June third, and then

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02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 28: I was rested on June ninth.

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Speaker 12: It felt very planned and just like a Poppet show.

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Speaker 6: I remember.

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Speaker 28: I think it was the day after two senators from

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02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 28: the House here in Minnesota were shot. And Georgia Ford,

2181
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 28: you know, was a really close community friend of mine.

2182
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:33,200
Speaker 28: We're both from the East Side, and she called me

2183
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 28: to do an interview. I was kind of unsure about it, but.

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Speaker 12: She just assured me that she just wanted to hear

2185
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:39,200
Speaker 12: my story.

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02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:42,160
Speaker 28: And yeah, I didn't really think much of it, and

2187
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:43,800
Speaker 28: so then I went I did the interview.

2188
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:46,400
Speaker 12: I was still very shaken up about what happened that day.

2189
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 12: By around like four, I think or Thic three.

2190
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,560
Speaker 28: I was coming out, and by that time in downtown

2191
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 28: there's a lot of things going on in Saint Paul.

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02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 12: It's kind of a dead city by that time.

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02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,200
Speaker 28: And so as I was coming out, that's when and

2194
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 28: for officers came from behind me and arrested me and

2195
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 28: pushed me to the ground, and my shoulder hit the

2196
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 28: concrete and I started bleeding, and they took me in

2197
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 28: a black STUV and they waited there for a second,

2198
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 28: and you know, just when Georgia came out and saw

2199
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:25,000
Speaker 28: everything that was happening and started recording, and you know,

2200
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:29,160
Speaker 28: from there, let the community knew about what happened. And

2201
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 28: so after that, that's when I kind of started realizing

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02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:37,120
Speaker 28: what this administration is trying to do. And it felt

2203
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:43,960
Speaker 28: very orchestrated. It felt very calculated. Even after, especially after

2204
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:48,200
Speaker 28: there's a lot of news about my arrest and adding.

2205
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:51,640
Speaker 12: My face to this whole drug rade and my case

2206
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:51,960
Speaker 12: to it.

2207
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 28: So yeah, I know other people were arrested, but my

2208
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 28: arrest felt very like intentional and calculated and kind of

2209
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 28: this is an abuse of power, and this isn't okay,

2210
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 28: Like I don't care who you are, I don't care

2211
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 28: how you see things, Like I'm like barely not even

2212
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:11,240
Speaker 28: five to three, five to two, and you know, these

2213
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 28: men that were huge felt the need to tackle me.

2214
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 28: This is all allegedly right, But at the same time,

2215
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 28: I think that I want people to understand that they

2216
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 28: can make their own calls and own judgment, and how

2217
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 28: like this justice system isn't that.

2218
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:27,280
Speaker 4: Right now at all.

2219
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 12: It's repression.

2220
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Speaker 25: Am I also remembering correctly that I maybe had seen

2221
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 25: you post a video on Instagram about that raid because

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02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:37,760
Speaker 25: I feel like, in my impression, had also felt like

2223
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:43,600
Speaker 25: maybe retaliation for you speaking out. Yeah, definitely, your case

2224
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:47,200
Speaker 25: feels important for people to know about. Especially in the

2225
02:05:47,240 --> 02:05:51,840
Speaker 25: past two weeks here in Minneapolis, twenty eight people have

2226
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:55,080
Speaker 25: been charged with assault on a federal officer and are

2227
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 25: facing federal charges. Now there was a handful before that,

2228
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 25: but we've just seen it massive spike of people who

2229
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:04,640
Speaker 25: were charged after being released pending charges.

2230
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:08,600
Speaker 4: So your case does feel like this test case.

2231
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:10,400
Speaker 25: That's being looked to is how are they going to

2232
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,040
Speaker 25: handle this and what's going to happen. So I appreciate

2233
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 25: you talking about it. I would love to turn to you,

2234
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 25: Lucy and hear a little bit about what you're facing

2235
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 25: and what your experience has been.

2236
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 16: Like I think they charged me with assault and then

2237
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 16: they downgraded it to like less degree assault because it

2238
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 16: was ridiculous. Well yeah, I like they had like six

2239
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:43,720
Speaker 16: cops tackle me, and my shoulder's never been the same.

2240
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Speaker 16: But that was that was in June, and then in

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02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:52,480
Speaker 16: another instance, I also have charges for assaulting a federal officer.

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02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 16: Seems like they just charge everyone, you know, and like

2243
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 16: all of these legal observers are also getting docked by

2244
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,760
Speaker 16: the age. They're trying to raise the stakes of resisting

2245
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:05,840
Speaker 16: the administration as much as possible because it is a

2246
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 16: popular movement. It's like generally popular to hate ice, but

2247
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 16: they're trying to make it as expensive and as irrevocably

2248
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 16: life destroying for US citizens as it is for people

2249
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:22,280
Speaker 16: who aren't US citizens.

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Speaker 25: I think it's super important to highlight the ways in

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02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:30,440
Speaker 25: which these targeted political prosecutions are being used to raise

2252
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:35,360
Speaker 25: the stakes of showing up to defend your community from abduction,

2253
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 25: from death, from surveillance and intimidation and fascist violence.

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02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 12: Do you know who else was arrested that day?

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Speaker 5: There was two people arrested on June third.

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Speaker 16: They were both arrested in the same interaction with a

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02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 16: police officer. A young woman was standing in front of

2258
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:58,360
Speaker 16: a police vehicle and an officer approached her like super rapidly,

2259
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 16: and then someone approached that officer, and from the video,

2260
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 16: it seems like that person ripped off a thin blue

2261
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:11,720
Speaker 16: line lapel velcro from the officer, and then that officer

2262
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 16: proceeded to assault that person, and then that person was

2263
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 16: accused of assault, and then my federal charges. The government

2264
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 16: has motioned to dismiss them, but we are motioning to

2265
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 16: dismiss them with prejudice. And during that interaction, I can't

2266
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:29,879
Speaker 16: really speak to what happened between me and federal officers,

2267
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:36,400
Speaker 16: but a pregnant woman was assaulted by federal officers. People

2268
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:41,480
Speaker 16: were tased, people were hit with batons, and that woman

2269
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 16: had like a ICE agent on top of her for

2270
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,680
Speaker 16: like I don't know a half hour. People said that

2271
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 16: she miscarried, she was pregnant. Everyone was saying she was pregnant.

2272
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:54,920
Speaker 16: She was dragged by one arm between the legs of

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02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:58,520
Speaker 16: the ICE officer. They said that she spray painted a

2274
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:02,040
Speaker 16: car and that was the reason for the arrest. They

2275
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:04,120
Speaker 16: also said that there was no proof of that either.

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02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:09,600
Speaker 25: And that incident, which was one of the first immigration

2277
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:13,520
Speaker 25: operations in the surge or one of the earlier ones

2278
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 25: that went pretty viral. There was a lot of coverage.

2279
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:19,040
Speaker 25: It was a huge raid, big community turn out. It

2280
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 25: was also like ICE was on the wrong block and

2281
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 25: they were in a Somali neighborhood and people were mad

2282
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,080
Speaker 25: and people were showing up and not letting them get

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02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 25: away with it. Also, I think there was a lot

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02:09:30,240 --> 02:09:33,600
Speaker 25: of response. My understanding was to ICE having their knee

2285
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:37,080
Speaker 25: on this pregnant person's back for such a long period

2286
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:41,080
Speaker 25: of time from what I've seen in the complaint for

2287
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 25: that day for your case, which is a public record,

2288
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 25: and I not asking you to speak to whether or

2289
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:50,440
Speaker 25: not it's true or anything about it, but part of

2290
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:54,000
Speaker 25: what you're being charged with is I believe de arresting

2291
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 25: that person, the pregnant person, while they were dragging her,

2292
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 25: and as result you got assault on the federal officer charges.

2293
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:07,160
Speaker 25: So just some context for people listening for the case

2294
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:10,440
Speaker 25: as we're following it. Those are the public allegations that

2295
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 25: the government has made. But it was one of the

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02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 25: earliest federal cases during the surge and one of the

2297
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:22,480
Speaker 25: earlier assault cases of this kind. So interesting to hear

2298
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,160
Speaker 25: that it looks like it's headed for a dismissal and

2299
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 25: exciting for you, but that is the case, Isabelle. There's

2300
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 25: been community mobilization to support you starting back in June.

2301
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:37,480
Speaker 25: Could you speak to what's been effective about that and

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02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:43,280
Speaker 25: what you've learned fighting these charges related to this political prosecution.

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02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 12: I mean, the grand scheme of things.

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02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:50,400
Speaker 28: I think that there's just been so much repression when

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02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:53,600
Speaker 28: it comes to just you know, the Brown community. We've

2306
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 28: lost mcgous and Dad, which is a really dope place

2307
02:10:57,080 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 28: on Lake Street, right across the street from Happened from Less.

2308
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:04,840
Speaker 28: You know, it's like raising fun so they don't close,

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02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,520
Speaker 28: and you know, I think I think that starts reviewing

2310
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:10,400
Speaker 28: really stuff for Latino businesses around businesses. They've lost like

2311
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 28: forty six million dollars this past month. So what I'm

2312
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 28: trying to say with that is that my community is

2313
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 28: very much on the scarcity, you know, like it's almost like.

2314
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:26,040
Speaker 12: We're being dragged to the point. And so when my community.

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02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:27,440
Speaker 28: Showed up for me that day, like it just showed

2316
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 28: for me like how resilient we are and how much

2317
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:33,680
Speaker 28: like it's scary, but we can't keep having other people

2318
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:37,680
Speaker 28: in our communities disappear, you know, people that we can't afford.

2319
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:42,080
Speaker 28: And for my case, because I'm a US citizen, I

2320
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 28: feel very like responsible and very like wanting to like

2321
02:11:47,480 --> 02:11:50,040
Speaker 28: being present in community because I think that's really what

2322
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:54,400
Speaker 28: I can do. I can't really like do a lot

2323
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:56,720
Speaker 28: because of the fear that like if I come into

2324
02:11:56,720 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 28: certain spaces, am I being launched?

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02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:00,840
Speaker 12: You know, And they've have shown.

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02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:03,600
Speaker 28: Like hinting having an eye on me basically throughout this

2327
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 28: but like you know, being present with community and being

2328
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 28: there when you know we're organizing, and knowing you know,

2329
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 28: your rights and things like that. I think has helped

2330
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 28: a lot of people in my community to one be

2331
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 28: a lot more careful, but to know that like what

2332
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:23,280
Speaker 28: we're going up against and how it's a way of

2333
02:12:23,320 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 28: survival to keep going and like you know, to have

2334
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 28: our right speed to at least grow during these times.

2335
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:33,680
Speaker 28: And we've had like observer trainings, We've had a lot

2336
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:35,720
Speaker 28: of low key, smaller trainings.

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02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:38,720
Speaker 12: We're not like trying to tell too many people about.

2338
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:42,680
Speaker 28: It for the same reason, and for my case in particular,

2339
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:46,400
Speaker 28: it's been really hard just because like a lot of

2340
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:50,160
Speaker 28: people are scared, and a lot of people are very

2341
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:54,000
Speaker 28: intimidating to speak out and you know, advocate for what's

2342
02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 28: been going on in my case, because you know, they

2343
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,320
Speaker 28: want us to keep having this scarcity mentality and you know,

2344
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:02,920
Speaker 28: being afraid of like what's to happen, what's to come.

2345
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 28: So for me, it's just been really important for me

2346
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:08,120
Speaker 28: to be with community, to be with people, and like

2347
02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:11,120
Speaker 28: to share my story in the small ways that I can.

2348
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 28: And you know, we've been doing phone baking campaigns and

2349
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:16,480
Speaker 28: also just writing in letters. They have a radar on

2350
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 28: me for sure and know like or where I'm at,

2351
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 28: where I stand. But I also know that I have

2352
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 28: a really big community behind me, and I know it's

2353
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 28: not just about me. It's about the fact that it's

2354
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:31,680
Speaker 28: bigger about what could happen to somebody else in our community.

2355
02:13:32,840 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 28: And it's been hard, but I think it's it's you know,

2356
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:38,080
Speaker 28: it's important for us to know that, like, you know,

2357
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:41,520
Speaker 28: we can keep pushing and like be together in community

2358
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:45,920
Speaker 28: despite all this, and so, yeah, it has been kind

2359
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:49,240
Speaker 28: of hard, especially with the searge. It got even more messy,

2360
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 28: you know, just with a lot of people trying their

2361
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 28: buzz to keep their head above the water and helping

2362
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 28: the families that they can, because a lot of families

2363
02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:58,080
Speaker 28: haven't been able to leave their house.

2364
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,280
Speaker 25: When you say we've and hosting trainings, are you referring

2365
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:05,960
Speaker 25: to your support committee. You've been doing like events that

2366
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 25: are joint raising awareness about your case and also helping

2367
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 25: community get trained up.

2368
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:11,800
Speaker 4: Is that what you mean?

2369
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

2370
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:14,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think I mean it's one and the same.

2371
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:16,240
Speaker 28: I feel like the people that I'm working with, they

2372
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:20,640
Speaker 28: work and do a lot of grassroot things in the

2373
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:24,240
Speaker 28: community and so I know, me just showing up to

2374
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,440
Speaker 28: those trainings and just talking about my case like that,

2375
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 28: that helps a lot. So it's like that, and we've

2376
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:30,160
Speaker 28: done a couple events here and there where we talk

2377
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,800
Speaker 28: about immigration. We did one in June or no in July,

2378
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:33,480
Speaker 28: i think.

2379
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:35,959
Speaker 12: And like we still have said to do.

2380
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:38,600
Speaker 28: More things with community to just know that, like you know,

2381
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 28: we're all we're all here in it.

2382
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:42,440
Speaker 12: But it has been very interverackering.

2383
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:44,480
Speaker 28: It's been really hard just because like I don't I

2384
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 28: don't know who's watching, I don't know who's in the room,

2385
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:48,080
Speaker 28: I don't know who I can trust.

2386
02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 12: But I know I'm not alone. So that's that's the

2387
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 12: best part about it.

2388
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:56,920
Speaker 25: So, yeah, there's so much intentional isolation of people facing charges.

2389
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:01,360
Speaker 25: That's so much of how repression works is to isolate people,

2390
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,280
Speaker 25: make them scared to go be in community and do

2391
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:06,720
Speaker 25: important work. So thanks for continuing to show up. It's

2392
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:09,800
Speaker 25: cool to hear you speak to both like navigating the

2393
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:15,400
Speaker 25: fear and continuing to show up where you can. Yeah,

2394
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 25: I'd love to hear you both speak a little bit more.

2395
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,680
Speaker 25: I know you just spoke about this a little bit, Isabelle,

2396
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:26,680
Speaker 25: But what it's been like navigating these cases amidst the

2397
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:30,520
Speaker 25: past couple months of the surge here in the Twin Cities,

2398
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:35,120
Speaker 25: it's a pretty unique moment to also have these pretty

2399
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:38,520
Speaker 25: high stakes cases going on, Lucy, if you want to start,

2400
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:39,600
Speaker 25: it just sucks.

2401
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:41,880
Speaker 16: I mean, there's lots of ways of doing things, but like,

2402
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:44,000
Speaker 16: I don't want to be afraid that I need to

2403
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:46,840
Speaker 16: call my pre trial release person every time a cop

2404
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 16: talks to me, Like I don't know, Like I not

2405
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,520
Speaker 16: that I interact with cops all the time, but I'm

2406
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:57,240
Speaker 16: in Minneapolis and like keep talking to the probation guy

2407
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 16: about this. I'm like, you know, if a cop drives

2408
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:02,240
Speaker 16: by me, is that a police interaction? If I'm on

2409
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 16: the street and the fucking fedser in in the street

2410
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:07,080
Speaker 16: in front of my house, is that a police interaction?

2411
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:11,360
Speaker 16: Like it just makes you so stressed out, Like Renee

2412
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:15,920
Speaker 16: Good was shot in front of me, and it's like

2413
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 16: like normally I'm not the kind of person that runs

2414
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:22,720
Speaker 16: away from a situation like that. I'm like would go

2415
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 16: towards where what happened to like make sure people are okay,

2416
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 16: or like see if there's anything I can do. And

2417
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:33,200
Speaker 16: in that situation, I was like what if I just

2418
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 16: am gonna go to jail like for trying to like

2419
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:41,760
Speaker 16: do something. So it's just like it's just contrary to

2420
02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:46,600
Speaker 16: my instincts that if I see someone getting brutalized in

2421
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:49,480
Speaker 16: the street or they're like they say, you can go

2422
02:16:49,520 --> 02:16:52,840
Speaker 16: to a protest, but that's just what repression is. You know,

2423
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:55,320
Speaker 16: they come into your house and they look in every

2424
02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:59,440
Speaker 16: single room. You know that they say that you need

2425
02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:02,160
Speaker 16: to go and do drug tests and that you can't

2426
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:04,199
Speaker 16: have a firearm, and they wanted me to have twenty

2427
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:06,480
Speaker 16: four to seven monitoring. I don't know if you had

2428
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:10,080
Speaker 16: that kind of shit, but it's just like this shit's insane,

2429
02:17:10,560 --> 02:17:14,240
Speaker 16: like and it's over fucking nothing. And so that's why,

2430
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:16,880
Speaker 16: like I see people on the internet being like, oh,

2431
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:19,120
Speaker 16: but like all those charges get dropped or whatever. I

2432
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:21,959
Speaker 16: was like, then fuck you, like you never dealt with this,

2433
02:17:22,280 --> 02:17:25,000
Speaker 16: Like doesn't matter if the charges get dropped. I'm gonna

2434
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,279
Speaker 16: try and apply to fucking Target to be a cashier

2435
02:17:27,440 --> 02:17:29,200
Speaker 16: and then they're gonna be like, actually, you have an

2436
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:32,200
Speaker 16: active case. I tried to work at a theater and

2437
02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 16: they were like, can you come explain what happened here?

2438
02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 16: Doesn't matter if you end up going to jail. Yeah,

2439
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:40,520
Speaker 16: going to jail sucks, but repression is like it's the

2440
02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:41,720
Speaker 16: thing in and of itself.

2441
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:43,080
Speaker 5: The cruelty is the point.

2442
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 25: I want to hear from you too. Issavell, I just

2443
02:17:45,560 --> 02:17:48,360
Speaker 25: want to say for people listening that what Lucy's talking

2444
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:54,680
Speaker 25: about are release conditions. So when the cases initiated against you,

2445
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:56,760
Speaker 25: the government could argue that you should be held in

2446
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:59,600
Speaker 25: detention while the case is ongoing, or they could ask

2447
02:17:59,640 --> 02:18:03,880
Speaker 25: for cons of release. And those are conditions that are

2448
02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:09,520
Speaker 25: enforced by a pre trial probation officer, like person who

2449
02:18:09,680 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 25: might come to visit your house or you have to

2450
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 25: call when you have cop interactions, or who facilitates drug testing,

2451
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:19,600
Speaker 25: depending on what your conditions are. So just some background

2452
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:21,400
Speaker 25: on that for anyone who's unfamiliar.

2453
02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:24,920
Speaker 28: Yeah, I think Lucy kind of said it best. Was

2454
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 28: like crely questioning your instincts. You're questioning like what can

2455
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:35,600
Speaker 28: you do? And I've tried my best to be as

2456
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:40,400
Speaker 28: creative as i can with it, but yeah, it's so

2457
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:43,000
Speaker 28: hard to I'm finding myself having to mobilize in a

2458
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:44,760
Speaker 28: different way and like show up the community.

2459
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:46,080
Speaker 12: So I've kind of pivoted to art.

2460
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,800
Speaker 28: Yeah, doing things when it comes to like screenprinting and

2461
02:18:49,879 --> 02:18:52,920
Speaker 28: just again showing up a community and just try to

2462
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:56,480
Speaker 28: play face or be face, like be real, you know,

2463
02:18:56,840 --> 02:19:00,760
Speaker 28: be with community. But yeah, it has been hard because again,

2464
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:04,199
Speaker 28: you never really know what you can and cannot say.

2465
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 28: Like the other day, I had a really good friend

2466
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 28: they admitted a graphic for me talking about explaining my

2467
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:12,800
Speaker 28: case and things like that. You know, I can't really

2468
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:15,840
Speaker 28: post too much about my case people start tagging me

2469
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:18,200
Speaker 28: in it. I tried resharing one of it. I only

2470
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,879
Speaker 28: shared like one of reshared one of the tags, and

2471
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:23,520
Speaker 28: then I tried resharing another tag that kind of explained

2472
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:26,600
Speaker 28: what to do to help with my case, and like Instagram,

2473
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:29,000
Speaker 28: don't let me post it. You know, these are this

2474
02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 28: is like minor shit, like this isn't like that big

2475
02:19:31,320 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 28: of a deal. But it's also just like okay, like yeah,

2476
02:19:34,959 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 28: they want to make sure that you're not being seen

2477
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 28: or heard. And I'm pretty fortunate to have like a

2478
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:46,520
Speaker 28: job where like they're paying me to do community work

2479
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:49,520
Speaker 28: and they have known me, so like I'm I feel

2480
02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:53,400
Speaker 28: really lucky. At the same time, it's also just been

2481
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 28: really hard because, like you know, some people are more

2482
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:58,840
Speaker 28: reluctant to have me in the room when it comes

2483
02:19:58,879 --> 02:20:02,119
Speaker 28: to like organizing, are doing certain things because of that,

2484
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:05,680
Speaker 28: because like you know, of where my case stands, and

2485
02:20:05,800 --> 02:20:08,440
Speaker 28: some people have like you know, actually kind of walked

2486
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:11,160
Speaker 28: away from being my friend because you know that they

2487
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,200
Speaker 28: were also there that day on June third, and just

2488
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,480
Speaker 28: also kind of being afraid about what would happen to them.

2489
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,080
Speaker 28: But on the other side of that, you know, there's

2490
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:21,480
Speaker 28: also been friends that are like I'm gonna be here,

2491
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:24,160
Speaker 28: I'm down, like, don't don't like know you where you know,

2492
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:25,400
Speaker 28: which has been great.

2493
02:20:26,320 --> 02:20:28,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't ditch your friends.

2494
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:32,520
Speaker 16: Like I had, like my roommate being like I'm gonna

2495
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:37,360
Speaker 16: i gotta leave, like I'm gonna dip, and people being

2496
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:40,200
Speaker 16: weird to you, and it's just like, I don't know,

2497
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:42,880
Speaker 16: maybe you just should just be better about your like

2498
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:45,279
Speaker 16: security in general.

2499
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:47,520
Speaker 5: Because like sooner or later, we're all going to have charges.

2500
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:50,240
Speaker 16: I don't know, maybe it's not going to be that bad,

2501
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:56,560
Speaker 16: but we're all domestic terrorists in Minnesota now, Uh fuck?

2502
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:00,920
Speaker 16: I mean as as per ice, you know, making list

2503
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:04,959
Speaker 16: and I don't know, they can't tell everybody.

2504
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,080
Speaker 12: It's just been really hard navigating I get.

2505
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:10,080
Speaker 28: I guess, like the sense of morality that comes with it,

2506
02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:12,680
Speaker 28: because it's like for me and I feel like you know,

2507
02:21:12,760 --> 02:21:15,320
Speaker 28: Lucy can relate to this, is that like you act

2508
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:17,400
Speaker 28: on the things that you believe in, you act on

2509
02:21:17,480 --> 02:21:21,879
Speaker 28: the things that you know is worth participating. And now

2510
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:25,280
Speaker 28: this administration is you know, gaslight. I don't even think

2511
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:27,080
Speaker 28: gasline is a right word. I think it's just like

2512
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:30,600
Speaker 28: imposing a lie of just like what is right and

2513
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:35,520
Speaker 28: what is wrong and seeing everybody also just being very

2514
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:38,039
Speaker 28: gas lit and having you know, the news, having a

2515
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:40,320
Speaker 28: certain narrative of like what is right, what is wrong,

2516
02:21:40,360 --> 02:21:41,840
Speaker 28: what has been said, what has not been said, what

2517
02:21:41,959 --> 02:21:45,680
Speaker 28: really happened, what didn't happen, And also just arresting independent journalists.

2518
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:50,360
Speaker 28: I think just goes to show how much constitution has

2519
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:51,439
Speaker 28: not been constituted.

2520
02:21:51,560 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 12: Like the human rights that we believed and we thought

2521
02:21:55,320 --> 02:22:00,680
Speaker 12: that we have are no more. So it's like what

2522
02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 12: goals and what doesn't go you know?

2523
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:05,560
Speaker 28: And I think that for me, the only real hope

2524
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 28: I have is like community and like creativity, because it's

2525
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:11,360
Speaker 28: like people have shown up for me, because I've been

2526
02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:13,920
Speaker 28: showing up since like twenty twenty. So it's like how

2527
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:17,120
Speaker 28: can we inspire a sense of like a sense of

2528
02:22:17,160 --> 02:22:20,879
Speaker 28: hope and spirit to keep going. How can we keep

2529
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:25,240
Speaker 28: have people know that there is there is hope at

2530
02:22:25,240 --> 02:22:28,040
Speaker 28: the end, that you know, there can be another side

2531
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:31,440
Speaker 28: that right now what we're seeing is just another world unfolding.

2532
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:33,520
Speaker 28: And the only way that we can really understand that

2533
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:35,640
Speaker 28: new world is when we understand the truth.

2534
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,360
Speaker 12: That we've been walking on. And so my friends have

2535
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:42,039
Speaker 12: been so good to me, and some of them have been.

2536
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,560
Speaker 28: You know, they've made like graphics and really cool like

2537
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:48,320
Speaker 28: shirts with my face on it just a way to like,

2538
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:52,480
Speaker 28: you know, welcome me home and things like that, and

2539
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:56,720
Speaker 28: creating different images of like what this new world can be.

2540
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:58,680
Speaker 28: And you know, one thing that I did with some

2541
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,080
Speaker 28: of the NDI and collective, we made this really dope

2542
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:03,640
Speaker 28: graphic that says Motherland on it and it's all the

2543
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:06,920
Speaker 28: Americas having roots from the global South, you know, and

2544
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:10,800
Speaker 28: being supple thick like has been really like so key

2545
02:23:10,840 --> 02:23:12,880
Speaker 28: for me to know that like I have every right

2546
02:23:12,959 --> 02:23:16,000
Speaker 28: to be here, that like a lot of the legitimacy

2547
02:23:16,440 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 28: that is constituted quote unquote for me, that doesn't come

2548
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:23,160
Speaker 28: from for me, that's not my truth.

2549
02:23:22,879 --> 02:23:25,400
Speaker 12: Of like why I move and why I believe to do.

2550
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:26,320
Speaker 4: Is right to me.

2551
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:29,240
Speaker 28: I do what is right because of the history that

2552
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:31,800
Speaker 28: I come from, because of like you know, who my

2553
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:34,520
Speaker 28: dad is, and like the people that I know that

2554
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:37,080
Speaker 28: I come from. You know, I'm not like native to

2555
02:23:37,160 --> 02:23:39,119
Speaker 28: the northern plains, but I do have friends that are,

2556
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:42,240
Speaker 28: and I do respect and love them so much. Where

2557
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:44,320
Speaker 28: I want to see the traditions be fully and thrived.

2558
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:47,280
Speaker 28: And I know that my power and my liberty is

2559
02:23:47,320 --> 02:23:50,680
Speaker 28: tied with theirs. And I know that we like have

2560
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 28: every right to be here from the people that are

2561
02:23:52,440 --> 02:23:54,800
Speaker 28: from the global South as well, because of the fact

2562
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:57,360
Speaker 28: that we haven't been able to like fully thrive in

2563
02:23:57,360 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 28: the motherland. We haven't been fully thrived in all the Americas.

2564
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:04,000
Speaker 28: And you know, a lot of people don't want to immigrate.

2565
02:24:04,040 --> 02:24:06,320
Speaker 28: A lot of people don't want to migrate. They don't

2566
02:24:06,320 --> 02:24:09,560
Speaker 28: want to leave their motherland. But I know that we

2567
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:12,960
Speaker 28: have built homes here, we have built communities here, and

2568
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:13,800
Speaker 28: I think.

2569
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:15,840
Speaker 4: That for me, that that's the other side of.

2570
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,879
Speaker 28: It, is that we can we can thrive, and that

2571
02:24:17,959 --> 02:24:21,240
Speaker 28: we can be in this place together, that we have

2572
02:24:21,440 --> 02:24:26,360
Speaker 28: every right to, like in this constant last night together,

2573
02:24:26,400 --> 02:24:27,880
Speaker 28: we are America.

2574
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:32,120
Speaker 25: So yeah, I also just want to ask what support

2575
02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:37,080
Speaker 25: asks you have for listeners, either for your defense campaigns

2576
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:39,680
Speaker 25: or for anti ice organizing more broadly.

2577
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:46,680
Speaker 28: Yeah, for me, we're having people call in to Daniel

2578
02:24:46,760 --> 02:24:49,960
Speaker 28: Rose to draw the charges and to send in letters.

2579
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:55,240
Speaker 28: That's our community ask. And also to donate to the gulfunding. Yeah,

2580
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:57,720
Speaker 28: I'm finding myself needing more support when it comes to

2581
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:05,320
Speaker 28: just people on the side and just yeah, getting people

2582
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:09,240
Speaker 28: also sustained through the movement as well through that, So yeah,

2583
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:12,480
Speaker 28: don'tate to my hofund me And also if they.

2584
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:18,880
Speaker 12: Can, it's inn ano letter call in and yeah.

2585
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:20,640
Speaker 16: I'll just say, yeah, talk to everyone. You can, talk

2586
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,280
Speaker 16: to your neighbors, talk to your relatives. It should be

2587
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:27,080
Speaker 16: impossible for them to convict anything in Minnesota because no

2588
02:25:27,240 --> 02:25:30,520
Speaker 16: jury is sympathetic with these people. And the only way

2589
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:34,039
Speaker 16: that happens is if there's a broad understanding of the

2590
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,560
Speaker 16: violence that is being perpetuated in our communities in a

2591
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:38,680
Speaker 16: broad support of those that are resisting it.

2592
02:25:39,560 --> 02:25:44,600
Speaker 25: Well, I know you both have shared the importance of

2593
02:25:44,680 --> 02:25:48,360
Speaker 25: creative work for you, Isabelle, do you have a poem

2594
02:25:48,400 --> 02:25:50,119
Speaker 25: you'd like to read or anything you want to share?

2595
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:52,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, I can read a poem real quick.

2596
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:55,560
Speaker 28: Since I can't really speak much about what happened that

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02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:59,880
Speaker 28: day I wrote this. When I walked outside, I saw

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02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:03,680
Speaker 28: staring back at me, cold presence stirring an earthquake in

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02:26:03,720 --> 02:26:06,520
Speaker 28: my body. Do I freeze or do I run? I

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02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,000
Speaker 28: ask myself? Did my parents have the time to ask

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02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:12,480
Speaker 28: themselves this when they left the Motherland? If I run,

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02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 28: I might slip into its breue arms and be caught

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02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:17,440
Speaker 28: by its cages. If I freeze, will it drown out

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02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:18,600
Speaker 28: all the warmth of my family?

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02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:19,400
Speaker 12: Let inside of me?

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02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:22,080
Speaker 28: Will the couffing freeze the southern sun and my blood

2607
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:24,280
Speaker 28: veins just to be as numb as them?

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02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:28,160
Speaker 12: The cold thrives in control. The order of ignorance can

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02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:32,000
Speaker 12: thrive an unconscious and vulnerable pride. I never thought their.

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02:26:31,800 --> 02:26:34,760
Speaker 28: Hands could be as brown as mine, as young as mine,

2611
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:37,959
Speaker 28: as desperate for safety. That it folds into another version

2612
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:41,920
Speaker 28: of insanity. The wrong ice is melting, and the warmth

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02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:43,920
Speaker 28: of brown and black bodies are freezing.

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02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:45,400
Speaker 4: Can I walk back.

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02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:47,920
Speaker 12: Into the pattern of survival? My lineage taught me to

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02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:51,320
Speaker 12: flourish instead of freezing in the numbing of society.

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02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:54,560
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you? Does that have a name?

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02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:59,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's ice or ice freeze something like that.

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Speaker 4: Still am.

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Speaker 27: Unapologetically, unapologetically myself.

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Speaker 25: We recorded this episode in the first half of February

2622
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:14,080
Speaker 25: in twenty twenty six. It's March now, so here's a

2623
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:18,200
Speaker 25: couple updates. Since recording, eight of the federal defendants have

2624
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 25: had their charges dismissed and many have been offered misdemeanor deals.

2625
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:25,959
Speaker 25: We also now know that there are over one hundred

2626
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:31,520
Speaker 25: protesters facing state level charges, mostly misdemeanors. The aftermath of

2627
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,560
Speaker 25: repression in the form of criminal cases from this time

2628
02:27:34,959 --> 02:27:38,320
Speaker 25: will likely continue for years, if not decades to come.

2629
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:43,320
Speaker 25: And another update, thousands of agents have left the Twin Cities.

2630
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:46,320
Speaker 25: I get to see my neighbors out of their houses

2631
02:27:46,400 --> 02:27:49,720
Speaker 25: a little more often now, but daily life is still

2632
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:54,760
Speaker 25: colored by ongoing abductions, disappeared family members, and shock waves

2633
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:00,320
Speaker 25: of state violence that have hit our migrant neighbors. I

2634
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:02,760
Speaker 25: know I said it in the beginning, but just to

2635
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:06,520
Speaker 25: say it to close. As much as there is devastating

2636
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:12,920
Speaker 25: violence and terror happening here, there is incredibly magnificent resistance

2637
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:18,160
Speaker 25: and community connection happening every single day. Neighbors are showing

2638
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:22,560
Speaker 25: up and stopping abductions, They're watching people get killed in

2639
02:28:22,600 --> 02:28:25,080
Speaker 25: the street for doing it, and they're showing up the

2640
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:29,959
Speaker 25: next day to continue. There's a kind of fearlessness and

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02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:32,640
Speaker 25: a kind of love that is in this community that

2642
02:28:32,680 --> 02:28:36,960
Speaker 25: I've never seen anywhere else. So as much as things

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02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:41,800
Speaker 25: are horrible, things are also beautiful. And I want you

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02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:47,120
Speaker 25: to know that. The theme music you heard in this

2645
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:51,080
Speaker 25: episode was the song Star by twofa one, a Dakota

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02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,600
Speaker 25: and bariqua artist based out of Minneapolis.

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02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:54,959
Speaker 4: Check out their other.

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02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:58,000
Speaker 20: Music from the South from Everywhere.

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02:28:59,480 --> 02:29:02,040
Speaker 25: If you like this episode, check out the show Outlaw

2650
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:05,600
Speaker 25: wherever you get your podcasts, throw us a rate review,

2651
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:10,039
Speaker 25: and follow Outlaw pod on Instagram and Blue Sky. To

2652
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:13,680
Speaker 25: close the episode, here's a song written in Minneapolis during

2653
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:18,000
Speaker 25: the surge. I think it captures some feeling of being here.

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02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:58,520
Speaker 19: Never broad someone back from the dead. Justice never broad

2655
02:29:59,400 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 19: someone back from the dead. Justice never broad someone back

2656
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:16,279
Speaker 19: from the dead, just as never brid someone.

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02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:17,560
Speaker 4: Back from the dad.

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02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:20,359
Speaker 20: Just that, never.

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02:30:21,560 --> 02:30:24,920
Speaker 2: Broad someone back from the dead.

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02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:28,959
Speaker 4: Way are you telling me, wait.

2661
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:32,879
Speaker 2: Like someone wealth be saved?

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02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:34,920
Speaker 20: Are you telling me?

2663
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:38,600
Speaker 4: Are you telling me that justice were.

2664
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:46,840
Speaker 19: Somehow saved, never gonna get back their days?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to It could Happen, a podcast about tariffs and

2666
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:05,800
Speaker 4: how to justify them. I am your host, Mio Wong,

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02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:11,000
Speaker 4: and today we are talking about tariffs, the Supreme Court

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02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:16,440
Speaker 4: ruling and how Trump is manufacturing a crisis to justify

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02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:20,280
Speaker 4: the next set of tariffs that he has imposed. Oh boy,

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02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:24,440
Speaker 4: So all right to recap our last tariff segment, so

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02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:27,080
Speaker 4: people understand what I'm talking about when I talk about

2672
02:31:27,080 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court ruling from a few weeks ago. So,

2673
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:33,760
Speaker 4: Trump had been claiming the ability to do tariffs under

2674
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:38,040
Speaker 4: the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, an act that famously

2675
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:42,440
Speaker 4: never says the word tariff, and the Supreme Court was like, no, actually,

2676
02:31:42,520 --> 02:31:45,720
Speaker 4: that the International Economic Powers Act does not give you

2677
02:31:45,879 --> 02:31:48,240
Speaker 4: the power to levy tariffs, a thing that it does

2678
02:31:48,280 --> 02:31:51,960
Speaker 4: not say that you can do. So Trump got extremely

2679
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:55,800
Speaker 4: mad about this, and he imposed a ten percent tariff

2680
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:59,119
Speaker 4: across the board using a different law, as he said

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02:31:59,160 --> 02:32:02,039
Speaker 4: he was going to do. Now, this ten percent across

2682
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,920
Speaker 4: the board tariff was run through section one twenty two

2683
02:32:05,160 --> 02:32:08,080
Speaker 4: of the Trade Act of nineteen seventy four. We're going

2684
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,720
Speaker 4: to get into that, okay. So he imposes a ten

2685
02:32:10,760 --> 02:32:14,119
Speaker 4: percent tariff using this like different authority from section one

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02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,560
Speaker 4: twenty two, and the next day he goes, I'm going

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02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,600
Speaker 4: to raise the tariff right to fifteen percents, and this

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02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:22,560
Speaker 4: is the teriff rate on the entire world. But then

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02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:24,760
Speaker 4: he just forgot to do it because he got distracted by,

2690
02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:29,160
Speaker 4: i think, invading Iran. So he has never actually, you know,

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02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:31,920
Speaker 4: raised the tariff rate to fifteen percent, which he said

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02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:35,000
Speaker 4: that he had done. So it's now just at ten

2693
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:38,080
Speaker 4: percent on the entire world instead of you know, all

2694
02:32:38,120 --> 02:32:40,600
Speaker 4: of the sort of individual country terifts that have been

2695
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:44,160
Speaker 4: in place before. And that's sort of the focus of

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02:32:44,200 --> 02:32:47,600
Speaker 4: today's episode is about these tariffs, because these tariffs are

2697
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:52,640
Speaker 4: already being challenged in court, and I think that that

2698
02:32:52,760 --> 02:32:56,320
Speaker 4: challenge has a very very good chance of winning fairly easily.

2699
02:32:56,800 --> 02:33:00,440
Speaker 4: And the reason that those tariffs have a very good

2700
02:33:00,520 --> 02:33:04,120
Speaker 4: chance of being overturned by the courts is that unlike

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02:33:04,600 --> 02:33:08,879
Speaker 4: the IEPA tarriffs that he was using, where he was

2702
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:12,440
Speaker 4: claiming illegally the authority to just do whatever he wanted.

2703
02:33:13,160 --> 02:33:14,400
Speaker 4: This is why you would wake up in the morning

2704
02:33:14,440 --> 02:33:16,760
Speaker 4: and there's like one hundred percent teriff on China, like

2705
02:33:16,879 --> 02:33:19,920
Speaker 4: seven hundred percent tariff of Vietnam. Blah blah blah blah blah.

2706
02:33:20,160 --> 02:33:22,560
Speaker 4: Trump was claiming that that Act let him do whatever

2707
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:25,240
Speaker 4: he wanted. It did not. Court found that he did not.

2708
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:29,000
Speaker 4: But that was how he was using tariffs, and it

2709
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:32,080
Speaker 4: was the basis of how he was using terrors for diplomacy, right.

2710
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:34,600
Speaker 4: You know, he would put a tariff on someone at random,

2711
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:37,520
Speaker 4: claiming this power, and then he would like enter negotiations

2712
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,400
Speaker 4: with them. And he can't do that anymore. Now what

2713
02:33:40,440 --> 02:33:44,040
Speaker 4: he's done in its place is again imposed this terriff's

2714
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:47,720
Speaker 4: using section one twenty two of the Trade Act. Now

2715
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:52,080
Speaker 4: this authority is very, very different than the authority Trump

2716
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:54,800
Speaker 4: was claiming before. I'm just going to read it because

2717
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:58,080
Speaker 4: it mostly explains itself. Do not worry about the international

2718
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:01,040
Speaker 4: payment problems or balance payments deficit that it mentions at

2719
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:03,000
Speaker 4: the beginning. We're going to go over that in a second.

2720
02:34:03,480 --> 02:34:06,520
Speaker 4: What's important for our purposes here is that in order

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02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:12,480
Speaker 4: to put tariffs into effect, quote, whenever fundamental international payment

2722
02:34:12,560 --> 02:34:17,520
Speaker 4: problems require special import measures to restrict imports one to

2723
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:21,920
Speaker 4: deal with large and serious United States balance of payments deficits,

2724
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:26,240
Speaker 4: two to prevent an imminent and significant depreciation of the

2725
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:30,240
Speaker 4: dollar in foreign exchange markets, or three to cooperate with

2726
02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:34,520
Speaker 4: other countries in correcting an international balance of payments disequilibrium.

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02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:38,240
Speaker 4: The President shall proclaim for a period not exceeding one

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02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:41,640
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty days, unless such a period is extended

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02:34:41,640 --> 02:34:45,000
Speaker 4: by a Nact of Congress, a temporary surch charge not

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02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:47,560
Speaker 4: to exceed fifteen percent out of lorum in the form

2731
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 4: of duties in addition to those already opposed if any

2732
02:34:50,920 --> 02:34:54,000
Speaker 4: article is imported into the US. Okay, so let's look

2733
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:58,560
Speaker 4: at the limits first, right. Instead of any rate of

2734
02:34:58,600 --> 02:35:01,280
Speaker 4: tariff on any country, which is what Trump had been doing,

2735
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:04,520
Speaker 4: Section one twenty two only lets you set an up

2736
02:35:04,520 --> 02:35:06,920
Speaker 4: to fifteen percent tariff on every country in the world

2737
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,199
Speaker 4: and only lasts for one hundred and fifty days unless

2738
02:35:10,200 --> 02:35:12,680
Speaker 4: Congress votes to approve it. This sets up a giant

2739
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:15,800
Speaker 4: fight in Congress that Trump is not going to win. Now.

2740
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:17,960
Speaker 4: We may never get to that point because the same

2741
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:20,680
Speaker 4: right wing legal group who funded the lawsuit that overturned

2742
02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:24,119
Speaker 4: the IEPA stuff is going after Section one twenty two

2743
02:35:24,760 --> 02:35:27,120
Speaker 4: and they're going to win now. They're going to win

2744
02:35:27,240 --> 02:35:30,760
Speaker 4: because Section one twenty two has literally never been implemented before.

2745
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 4: The tariffs specifically never been implemented. There is a reason

2746
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:40,200
Speaker 4: for that, and the reason is that to even deploy

2747
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:43,280
Speaker 4: Section one twenty two tariffs in the first place, you

2748
02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:48,840
Speaker 4: need quote fundamental international payment problems. One to deal with

2749
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 4: large and serious United States balance of payments deficits to

2750
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:55,600
Speaker 4: the print dollar depreciation, and cooperation with other countries to

2751
02:35:55,840 --> 02:36:00,119
Speaker 4: correct international ballots of payments disequilibrium. So those are very

2752
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:02,560
Speaker 4: specific conditions. What does that mean? What does it mean

2753
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:04,359
Speaker 4: for there to be a problem with balance of payments?

2754
02:36:04,879 --> 02:36:08,640
Speaker 4: This requires us to understand what the fuck balance of

2755
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:10,680
Speaker 4: payments is. And it is here where I am fulfilling

2756
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:13,520
Speaker 4: my promise from that Executive Disorder episode where I said

2757
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:15,360
Speaker 4: I will explain it in the full episode. All right,

2758
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:18,480
Speaker 4: we're doing it, and oh fucking boy, are you in

2759
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:23,879
Speaker 4: for it, because Jesus Christ, oh my god, holy shit,

2760
02:36:23,959 --> 02:36:29,000
Speaker 4: this stuff is annoyingly convoluted. But it is also extremely

2761
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:32,280
Speaker 4: important to how the global economy functions, how it's changed,

2762
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:35,760
Speaker 4: and you know, it's not really relevant for the US

2763
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,520
Speaker 4: at all, for reasons we will get into, but it

2764
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,240
Speaker 4: is extremely relevant for the economies of a bunch of

2765
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:45,199
Speaker 4: developing countries. So, okay, let's start off with balance of payments.

2766
02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:48,040
Speaker 4: So what is the balance of payments? I'm just gonna

2767
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:51,240
Speaker 4: start off by quoting the Saint Louis Federal Reserve Balance

2768
02:36:51,280 --> 02:36:54,840
Speaker 4: of payments. Quote is a summary of all the transactions

2769
02:36:54,879 --> 02:36:59,160
Speaker 4: involving goods, services, and investments between one country and all

2770
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:03,360
Speaker 4: other countries over a given time. Any transaction that causes

2771
02:37:03,440 --> 02:37:06,680
Speaker 4: money to flow into a country is a credit to

2772
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:11,720
Speaker 4: balance payment accounts, and any transaction that flows out is

2773
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 4: a debt. So this is a record of literally every

2774
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:18,480
Speaker 4: purchase in capital movement that goes in and out of

2775
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:23,000
Speaker 4: a country. Right, So it's goods services, debt payments, and

2776
02:37:23,080 --> 02:37:25,040
Speaker 4: things can either be credits or debts. This is the

2777
02:37:25,080 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 4: FED explains. You know things that are debts, right, Things

2778
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:30,880
Speaker 4: that like make your account go lower is you know,

2779
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:35,520
Speaker 4: debt payments, capital transfer payments, like buying imports. If you

2780
02:37:35,560 --> 02:37:38,120
Speaker 4: were importing stuff from China, that is a debt. And

2781
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 4: then there are things that are credits to make account

2782
02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:43,160
Speaker 4: go up. So that's other countries paying for exports, capital

2783
02:37:43,160 --> 02:37:47,320
Speaker 4: transfer receipts, and you know financial assets and that's other

2784
02:37:47,360 --> 02:37:50,600
Speaker 4: countries paying for your exports. So this is tracked in

2785
02:37:50,879 --> 02:37:55,080
Speaker 4: like two accounts. There's a capital and finances account. I'm

2786
02:37:55,080 --> 02:37:56,800
Speaker 4: just gonna call it the capital account because that's the

2787
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:59,240
Speaker 4: most common name for it, and it's shorter. So there's

2788
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:01,760
Speaker 4: the capital account that is all movement of capital in

2789
02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:04,440
Speaker 4: and out of the country, and then there's a current account,

2790
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:07,560
Speaker 4: which is like a trade record of all goods and services.

2791
02:38:08,320 --> 02:38:11,000
Speaker 4: Technically there's also stuff from like interest from an investment

2792
02:38:11,080 --> 02:38:12,840
Speaker 4: goes there, but we don't really care about that for

2793
02:38:12,879 --> 02:38:16,680
Speaker 4: our purposes. The current account is the account that's like trade,

2794
02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:19,359
Speaker 4: and then there's a capital account, which is the account

2795
02:38:19,400 --> 02:38:23,240
Speaker 4: that's all of the capital moving in and out. Now, importantly,

2796
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:28,160
Speaker 4: these two accounts, right, these two accounts compose balance of trade. Right,

2797
02:38:28,360 --> 02:38:30,080
Speaker 4: this record has two accounts in it. Those are the

2798
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:32,480
Speaker 4: two accounts. If you line up all the credits and

2799
02:38:32,480 --> 02:38:35,200
Speaker 4: debits and then they cancel out and equal zero. The

2800
02:38:35,320 --> 02:38:37,720
Speaker 4: value of all goods being imported or exported, as as

2801
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,440
Speaker 4: services and stuff like that too, is the same as

2802
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:42,520
Speaker 4: the amount of capital moving in and out of the country.

2803
02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:45,360
Speaker 4: The two accounts will cancel out. And this is what's

2804
02:38:45,400 --> 02:38:48,360
Speaker 4: really confusing about balance of payments, because why the fuck

2805
02:38:48,400 --> 02:38:51,039
Speaker 4: is that true? Right? Why are the capital flows and

2806
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:55,119
Speaker 4: trade balance Why can't you have an imbalance? And the

2807
02:38:55,160 --> 02:38:58,920
Speaker 4: answer is that's how the accounting system works. And the

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02:38:58,959 --> 02:39:01,840
Speaker 4: reason the accounting system like that is because of what

2809
02:39:01,959 --> 02:39:04,600
Speaker 4: balance of payments is now. Weirdly, if you want a

2810
02:39:04,640 --> 02:39:07,280
Speaker 4: more detailed explanation, there are a billion detailed explanations that

2811
02:39:07,320 --> 02:39:11,120
Speaker 4: are extremely convoluted and annoying. The Reserve Bank of Australia

2812
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:14,359
Speaker 4: weirdly has like a readable one for people who aren't

2813
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:18,480
Speaker 4: like engrossed and financial stuff. However, come up, I'm going

2814
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:21,320
Speaker 4: to try to explain it. So, balance of payments is

2815
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:25,200
Speaker 4: the record of everything that moves in and out of

2816
02:39:25,240 --> 02:39:28,360
Speaker 4: a country, you know, So that's goods, that services, that's money,

2817
02:39:28,400 --> 02:39:31,600
Speaker 4: it's stocked. When I say it tracks everything, right, was

2818
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:35,440
Speaker 4: a record of everything? That means it's recording both sides

2819
02:39:35,480 --> 02:39:38,200
Speaker 4: of a transaction. So what does that mean? Okay, imagine

2820
02:39:38,520 --> 02:39:40,800
Speaker 4: a receipt, right, it's a receipt for a burger. You

2821
02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:45,080
Speaker 4: have bought one hamburger. On the receipt is the thing

2822
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:48,879
Speaker 4: you bought, the burger and how much it cost, which

2823
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:51,760
Speaker 4: is the money you pay for it. Balance of payments

2824
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:55,640
Speaker 4: tracks both the burger and the money you paid for it.

2825
02:39:55,840 --> 02:40:00,440
Speaker 4: Because it tracked international trade, right, it's tracking international movement

2826
02:40:00,480 --> 02:40:03,840
Speaker 4: of stuff, and because both the burger and the money

2827
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:08,280
Speaker 4: changed hands across borders. Right, it tracks both of them.

2828
02:40:08,560 --> 02:40:11,520
Speaker 4: And that is why when you put all the credits

2829
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:14,879
Speaker 4: and debts from both accounts together, it adds to zero, right,

2830
02:40:15,160 --> 02:40:18,760
Speaker 4: because you know, think about like the net transfer of

2831
02:40:18,879 --> 02:40:22,320
Speaker 4: funds on that burger. Right, on the one hand, there

2832
02:40:22,400 --> 02:40:25,080
Speaker 4: is the burger, and on the other hand there is

2833
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, how much money you paid for the burger,

2834
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:29,800
Speaker 4: and those two things are equivalent. Right. The value of

2835
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:33,720
Speaker 4: the burger is how much it's worth, So okay, that

2836
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:37,000
Speaker 4: means that in the accounting of it, right, the account

2837
02:40:37,080 --> 02:40:39,879
Speaker 4: on the receipt, which shows both of these things is

2838
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,720
Speaker 4: balanced because it's tracking both of them, right. And this

2839
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:45,720
Speaker 4: is the same way it works for an investment. You

2840
02:40:45,800 --> 02:40:49,120
Speaker 4: buy shares of a company, So okay, there's the money

2841
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:52,040
Speaker 4: for the shares and the shares themselves, and they're both

2842
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:54,840
Speaker 4: being tracked and they both go into the record that

2843
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:59,000
Speaker 4: balance of payments keeps. So there are some convoluted things

2844
02:40:59,040 --> 02:41:01,320
Speaker 4: about this, and this is the reason why you need

2845
02:41:01,360 --> 02:41:04,120
Speaker 4: to combine both accounts instead of each account being balanced

2846
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:09,000
Speaker 4: by themselves, because sometimes the record of the burger goes

2847
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:11,440
Speaker 4: in one account and the record of the money for

2848
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:14,400
Speaker 4: that burger goes at a different account This is convoluted.

2849
02:41:14,400 --> 02:41:17,400
Speaker 4: It's because of how income is classified. It's a mess.

2850
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:19,200
Speaker 4: You can go read the Berserve Bank of Australia. But

2851
02:41:19,240 --> 02:41:22,840
Speaker 4: that's why you need both accounts together to get the

2852
02:41:22,879 --> 02:41:27,080
Speaker 4: balance of payments, right, because both the burger and the

2853
02:41:27,160 --> 02:41:30,760
Speaker 4: money for the burger are in the balance of payments somewhere,

2854
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:32,800
Speaker 4: but they might go in different accounts, so you need

2855
02:41:32,840 --> 02:41:34,640
Speaker 4: to put them together. And that's how you get the

2856
02:41:34,680 --> 02:41:37,320
Speaker 4: balance of payments. And see that's why it's called the

2857
02:41:37,360 --> 02:41:40,080
Speaker 4: balance of payments, right, they balance out. See now you're

2858
02:41:40,080 --> 02:41:41,680
Speaker 4: getting it. Now you're getting it. This is why it

2859
02:41:41,720 --> 02:41:44,240
Speaker 4: always bounces out to zero because it's the balance of

2860
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:48,760
Speaker 4: both the money and the object. Right. So sharp eared

2861
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:51,240
Speaker 4: listeners may be going, wait, hold on. So Section one

2862
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:53,560
Speaker 4: twenty two, which is where the tarifts are from, is

2863
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:56,320
Speaker 4: about a deficit in the balance of payments. How can

2864
02:41:56,360 --> 02:41:58,800
Speaker 4: you have a deficit if it always balances out to zero?

2865
02:41:59,320 --> 02:42:02,720
Speaker 4: And the answer is, technically speaking, you can't. So Okay,

2866
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:04,640
Speaker 4: what the fuck is going on here? Why is Trump

2867
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:06,920
Speaker 4: using and Trump stifically is claiming that there's a balance

2868
02:42:06,920 --> 02:42:09,200
Speaker 4: of payments deficit and there's a crisis in order to

2869
02:42:09,240 --> 02:42:13,480
Speaker 4: impose these tariffs. So what is going on here? Why

2870
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:17,520
Speaker 4: does this law exist? You will find out after these

2871
02:42:17,560 --> 02:42:34,600
Speaker 4: ads whoa cliffhanger? A. So to explain what is going

2872
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:37,640
Speaker 4: on here, we need to take a detour back in

2873
02:42:37,720 --> 02:42:40,600
Speaker 4: time to when this was written. This Act was written

2874
02:42:40,600 --> 02:42:42,840
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy four, but we need to go back

2875
02:42:42,879 --> 02:42:46,600
Speaker 4: a little further to nineteen seventy one. Now, in nineteen

2876
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:51,320
Speaker 4: seventy one, Richard Nixon makes probably the most consequential in

2877
02:42:51,400 --> 02:42:56,000
Speaker 4: a macro sense, change to how currency functions on a

2878
02:42:56,040 --> 02:42:59,920
Speaker 4: global scale in probably half a millennia when he pulled

2879
02:43:00,280 --> 02:43:03,240
Speaker 4: US off the gold standard. So what does this mean?

2880
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:07,119
Speaker 4: It means that Nixon ended what was called dollar convertibility,

2881
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:09,959
Speaker 4: or the ability to go to the government and trade

2882
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:13,720
Speaker 4: your dollar for a certain amount of gold. So this

2883
02:43:14,480 --> 02:43:17,039
Speaker 4: fixes the value of the dollar to the value of gold.

2884
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:19,400
Speaker 4: So the value of your currency is sort of relatively

2885
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:23,200
Speaker 4: constant in that like it's this much gold, right, But

2886
02:43:23,959 --> 02:43:26,640
Speaker 4: it means that your macroeconomic policy is constrained by your

2887
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:31,039
Speaker 4: gold supply. So why did Nixon take the US off

2888
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,480
Speaker 4: the gold standard? And what does SAVA do with balance

2889
02:43:33,480 --> 02:43:39,400
Speaker 4: of payments? Surprisingly everything? So, okay, what I've been describing

2890
02:43:39,400 --> 02:43:42,880
Speaker 4: about balance of payments. I've been describing modern balance of payments.

2891
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:46,360
Speaker 4: If you go back and read stuff from the FED

2892
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:49,879
Speaker 4: from this era, when they talk about balance of payments

2893
02:43:49,959 --> 02:43:53,199
Speaker 4: or talking about flows of gold. In this period, every

2894
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:56,119
Speaker 4: dollar that leaves the country represents an amount of gold,

2895
02:43:56,840 --> 02:43:59,360
Speaker 4: and the more of it that leaves the country, the

2896
02:43:59,360 --> 02:44:02,240
Speaker 4: more sure that puts on the US gold reserves, because

2897
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:04,520
Speaker 4: you know, there's less and less of it. This is

2898
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:07,760
Speaker 4: what they're talking about when they talk about balance of payments.

2899
02:44:07,840 --> 02:44:08,160
Speaker 2: Right now.

2900
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:11,119
Speaker 4: What's what's interesting here, and this is something that's important

2901
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 4: for our modern purposes, is that the problem that the

2902
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:17,800
Speaker 4: US was facing in the fifties and sixties that causes

2903
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:20,920
Speaker 4: Nixon to do this when they're talking about having balance

2904
02:44:20,959 --> 02:44:23,240
Speaker 4: of payments deficits, which they are in this period, right.

2905
02:44:23,240 --> 02:44:25,119
Speaker 4: And this is why this law is written, is because

2906
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:26,880
Speaker 4: this is a period where this stuff is talked about.

2907
02:44:28,040 --> 02:44:30,680
Speaker 4: The problem isn't a trade deficit, right, And this is

2908
02:44:30,760 --> 02:44:34,200
Speaker 4: very important. Trade deficits and balance of payments deficits not

2909
02:44:34,320 --> 02:44:36,480
Speaker 4: the same thing at all. In fact, in this whole

2910
02:44:36,520 --> 02:44:39,200
Speaker 4: period when the US is running these massive balanced payments

2911
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:43,320
Speaker 4: deficits to become a problem, they have a trade surplus. Right,

2912
02:44:44,200 --> 02:44:47,160
Speaker 4: they have a trade surplus. So like, okay, how are

2913
02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:50,480
Speaker 4: they like losing gold then, right, like, how are dollars

2914
02:44:50,520 --> 02:44:54,039
Speaker 4: flowing out of the country. Well, it turns out that

2915
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 4: what's actually making this a balance of account deficit, where

2916
02:44:57,720 --> 02:45:00,440
Speaker 4: like dollars are leaving the economy, which means gold leaving

2917
02:45:00,520 --> 02:45:03,760
Speaker 4: the US's vaults, is that the US is spending too

2918
02:45:03,800 --> 02:45:06,760
Speaker 4: much of its military. It's always speaking military spending. It

2919
02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:10,160
Speaker 4: is always fucking military spending. Holy shit, It's the reason

2920
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:14,080
Speaker 4: everything is broken. It's it's literally just always military spending.

2921
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:17,040
Speaker 4: We're spending too much gold on the damn military. Right.

2922
02:45:18,040 --> 02:45:20,320
Speaker 4: So the deficit and you were you're talking about a

2923
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:23,320
Speaker 4: bounce payments deficit. The actual deficit is that in order

2924
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:26,520
Speaker 4: to pay for wars and to do military bases, they

2925
02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:30,480
Speaker 4: are spending money in other countries. And this is technically

2926
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:32,080
Speaker 4: like part of the bounce of payments, right, because it's

2927
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:35,560
Speaker 4: money leaving the country. And you know, like technically speaking,

2928
02:45:35,640 --> 02:45:38,440
Speaker 4: the balance of payments as we've been talking about it, right,

2929
02:45:38,520 --> 02:45:42,680
Speaker 4: like the account is balanced, but we keep spending dollars

2930
02:45:42,680 --> 02:45:45,000
Speaker 4: in order to obtain military bases and then also in

2931
02:45:45,080 --> 02:45:47,920
Speaker 4: order to bomb Korea and Vietnam, and the dollars have

2932
02:45:47,959 --> 02:45:51,039
Speaker 4: to come from somewhere. Now, again, the dollar at this

2933
02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:55,280
Speaker 4: point is gold. It represents a fixed amount of gold

2934
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:59,560
Speaker 4: that the US has, and those dollars are coming from

2935
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:01,920
Speaker 4: the US government, so that that's what the actual quote

2936
02:46:01,959 --> 02:46:04,840
Speaker 4: unquote deficit is in this case. Right, you will see

2937
02:46:04,840 --> 02:46:06,760
Speaker 4: this described as like, oh my god, they're paying for

2938
02:46:07,320 --> 02:46:09,080
Speaker 4: stuff from the current account for the capitol count.

2939
02:46:09,080 --> 02:46:09,320
Speaker 5: No.

2940
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:12,160
Speaker 4: No, no, technically yes, but like, like, what's actually happening

2941
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:14,920
Speaker 4: here is that the US, Right, it's gold leaving the

2942
02:46:14,920 --> 02:46:17,360
Speaker 4: country because the US is having to buy shit for

2943
02:46:17,360 --> 02:46:20,760
Speaker 4: a military basis, right, and it's not getting enough gold

2944
02:46:20,840 --> 02:46:23,960
Speaker 4: back from trade to replenish the amount of gold that

2945
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:28,240
Speaker 4: the US is spending on these military bases. Now, in theory,

2946
02:46:28,280 --> 02:46:31,080
Speaker 4: this is fine because it's technically speaking, you're spending dollars,

2947
02:46:31,160 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 4: and as long as no one tries to actually convert

2948
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:39,240
Speaker 4: those dollars into gold, you'll be okay. Enter one Charles

2949
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:43,680
Speaker 4: de Gaulle, president of France, who begins to unmasks convert

2950
02:46:43,720 --> 02:46:46,640
Speaker 4: American dollars into gold in order to end the dollar's

2951
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:48,960
Speaker 4: reign as the world reserve currency. Because it was pissed

2952
02:46:48,959 --> 02:46:51,120
Speaker 4: off at the US running the world. This is not

2953
02:46:51,320 --> 02:46:54,240
Speaker 4: like Charles de Gaull, anti imperialist. De Gaull does not

2954
02:46:54,440 --> 02:46:57,000
Speaker 4: want like the end of imperialism. Degaull wants there to

2955
02:46:57,000 --> 02:46:59,720
Speaker 4: be equal footing, or more equal footing between the different

2956
02:46:59,720 --> 02:47:02,960
Speaker 4: impure powers. Right. He just wants France to be like

2957
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:17,680
Speaker 4: a major world power, imperialist power as well. Right. The

2958
02:47:17,720 --> 02:47:20,800
Speaker 4: power the US gets from being the world reserve currency

2959
02:47:20,840 --> 02:47:24,600
Speaker 4: is extremely important. So what is the reserve currency? The

2960
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:27,440
Speaker 4: reserve currency is the currency that, like all global trade

2961
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:31,000
Speaker 4: is done in. And because it's the currency that all

2962
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:33,440
Speaker 4: global trade is done in, all of the world's central

2963
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:36,080
Speaker 4: banks have to hold like a bunch of that currency, right,

2964
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:38,879
Speaker 4: And that that's why it's called the reserve currency. But

2965
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:41,320
Speaker 4: I say all of the world central banks have to

2966
02:47:41,360 --> 02:47:43,800
Speaker 4: hold it except for the United States, which does not

2967
02:47:43,920 --> 02:47:46,120
Speaker 4: have to hold dollars because it's our fucking currency and

2968
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:49,080
Speaker 4: if we want more, we can just print more. Right.

2969
02:47:49,480 --> 02:47:52,160
Speaker 4: So this is time they called like seniorage privilege. But

2970
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:54,920
Speaker 4: like that, the power of this right is enormous, and

2971
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:58,240
Speaker 4: the dollar status is the reserve currency is actually really

2972
02:47:58,240 --> 02:48:00,840
Speaker 4: important to us in terms of explaining these sort of

2973
02:48:00,920 --> 02:48:04,480
Speaker 4: balance of payments deficits and crises. So, okay, here's a

2974
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:07,320
Speaker 4: Saint Louis fed on why countries have to hold wood

2975
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:08,240
Speaker 4: reserve currencies.

2976
02:48:08,640 --> 02:48:09,119
Speaker 5: Quote.

2977
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:12,040
Speaker 4: Governments and or es. Central banks keep you know, like

2978
02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:16,440
Speaker 4: reserve currency on hand for several reasons, including exchange management,

2979
02:48:16,959 --> 02:48:20,439
Speaker 4: insurance against sudden loss of ability to pay for imports

2980
02:48:20,480 --> 02:48:23,920
Speaker 4: caused by a halt capital inflows such as foreign direct

2981
02:48:23,959 --> 02:48:27,440
Speaker 4: investment to the domestic market, foreign purchases of domestic stocks

2982
02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:30,160
Speaker 4: or balls, or domestic borrowing from the rest of the world.

2983
02:48:30,959 --> 02:48:35,720
Speaker 4: Insurance for other economic contingencies such as wars or natural disasters. Now,

2984
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:39,800
Speaker 4: the second one is what's of concern to us, right,

2985
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:43,720
Speaker 4: it's insurance against sudden loss of ability to pay for imports.

2986
02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:47,240
Speaker 4: And that's what's commonly known as a balance of payments

2987
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:49,959
Speaker 4: crisis in the current day, when you run out of

2988
02:48:50,040 --> 02:48:52,040
Speaker 4: dollars to pay for your imports or to pay for

2989
02:48:52,080 --> 02:48:54,400
Speaker 4: your foreign debt, which is a real issue too, right,

2990
02:48:54,480 --> 02:48:56,320
Speaker 4: Usually your money goes to the foreign debt and then

2991
02:48:56,320 --> 02:48:58,480
Speaker 4: you're out of currency and then you can't you know,

2992
02:48:58,600 --> 02:49:01,800
Speaker 4: like import more shit. This is a balance of payments crisis,

2993
02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:05,680
Speaker 4: and they're actually pretty common or decently common in a

2994
02:49:05,720 --> 02:49:09,720
Speaker 4: bunch of developing countries, and they are almost always completely catastrophic.

2995
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:12,760
Speaker 4: It's one of the foremost causes of modern revolutions because

2996
02:49:12,760 --> 02:49:14,480
Speaker 4: when you have one of these balance of payments crises,

2997
02:49:14,480 --> 02:49:16,959
Speaker 4: you can't afford to fucking import things because you don't

2998
02:49:16,959 --> 02:49:19,360
Speaker 4: have enough dollars. You can't import oil or you know,

2999
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:22,840
Speaker 4: fertilizer or food because you don't have enough dollars to

3000
02:49:22,879 --> 02:49:24,520
Speaker 4: do it, and your government has gone through all of

3001
02:49:24,520 --> 02:49:26,840
Speaker 4: the dollar reserves. As I talked about in the ED,

3002
02:49:27,440 --> 02:49:29,720
Speaker 4: Sri Lanka is probably the most recent example that the

3003
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:32,400
Speaker 4: country you know, just ran out of dollars to purchase

3004
02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:36,360
Speaker 4: shit with, and the ensuing unbelievably hideous shit that everyone

3005
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:38,400
Speaker 4: had to suffer through cause people to burn down the

3006
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:41,480
Speaker 4: president's fucking mansion. You will know, and I said, this

3007
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:43,600
Speaker 4: is before you will know if the US has a

3008
02:49:43,640 --> 02:49:45,840
Speaker 4: bounance of payments crisis, because you will see the smoke

3009
02:49:45,879 --> 02:49:48,280
Speaker 4: and flames outside of your window, and it's such. It's

3010
02:49:48,280 --> 02:49:50,480
Speaker 4: like Sri Lanka, right like the revolution in Sudan. Like

3011
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:52,160
Speaker 4: the reason that there's a civil war in Sudan right

3012
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:54,480
Speaker 4: now to some extent is because of one of these

3013
02:49:54,560 --> 02:49:57,840
Speaker 4: crises that set off a revolution. Even though you know

3014
02:49:57,959 --> 02:50:00,680
Speaker 4: What usually happens in these cases, right, is that a

3015
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:03,760
Speaker 4: country has one of these crises, and that someone, usually

3016
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:07,120
Speaker 4: the International Monetary Fund, will give them a loan, and

3017
02:50:07,160 --> 02:50:09,400
Speaker 4: so they will give them dollars in exchange for you know,

3018
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:11,800
Speaker 4: like turning the entire economy of that country into a

3019
02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:15,360
Speaker 4: debt servicing machine, which means, you know, like taking food

3020
02:50:15,400 --> 02:50:17,240
Speaker 4: out of the mouths of babies to pay that debt back.

3021
02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:20,680
Speaker 4: And this also often causes revolutions, right, Like, so, like

3022
02:50:20,720 --> 02:50:22,879
Speaker 4: Sudan had a balance of payments crisis and in like

3023
02:50:22,920 --> 02:50:25,960
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, late twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and they eventually

3024
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:28,720
Speaker 4: got an IMF bailout deal, but like the price of

3025
02:50:28,760 --> 02:50:31,400
Speaker 4: bread increased by two hundred fifty percent and people drove

3026
02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:35,160
Speaker 4: omer al Basher out of power. However, come U, you

3027
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:37,240
Speaker 4: will note that I have been saying that these crises

3028
02:50:37,280 --> 02:50:41,040
Speaker 4: are caused because countries run out of dollars. But we

3029
02:50:41,080 --> 02:50:44,959
Speaker 4: can't run out of dollars because those are United States dollars.

3030
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:48,320
Speaker 4: We can just fucking print them. We literally cannot have

3031
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:52,240
Speaker 4: this kind of bounce of payments crisis because it's all

3032
02:50:52,400 --> 02:50:56,240
Speaker 4: our own money, and we can just print shit in

3033
02:50:56,920 --> 02:51:02,520
Speaker 4: our own money. Jesus Christ, this is so silly, losing

3034
02:51:02,520 --> 02:51:05,520
Speaker 4: my mind, Like it's not possible, you can't do it.

3035
02:51:05,600 --> 02:51:10,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Now, however, why is the law like this, right, Like,

3036
02:51:10,200 --> 02:51:13,120
Speaker 4: why is there a law written talking about the US

3037
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:16,400
Speaker 4: as if it could have a bowets of payments deficit? Again, Like,

3038
02:51:16,680 --> 02:51:19,560
Speaker 4: right up until nineteen seventy one, when Nixon took the

3039
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:23,840
Speaker 4: US off the gold standard, it actually was possible to,

3040
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:26,520
Speaker 4: you know, make the US run out of dollars because

3041
02:51:26,520 --> 02:51:27,960
Speaker 4: you could run out of gold. And this is what

3042
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:29,680
Speaker 4: like the goal was trying to do, you know, by

3043
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:31,800
Speaker 4: like making the US convert all his dollars into gold.

3044
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:34,360
Speaker 4: But Nixon just said, fuck it. The dollars of floating

3045
02:51:34,360 --> 02:51:37,840
Speaker 4: currency now, and since its value isn't pegged to a

3046
02:51:37,840 --> 02:51:40,880
Speaker 4: certain amount of anything else, right, And that's the way

3047
02:51:40,879 --> 02:51:43,080
Speaker 4: it's been ever since, we can't have these crises. Now.

3048
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:45,800
Speaker 4: The countries that have these crises in modern day are

3049
02:51:45,879 --> 02:51:49,720
Speaker 4: ones that peg their currency to like a specific amount

3050
02:51:49,760 --> 02:51:52,960
Speaker 4: of dollars, right, And they tend to run out of

3051
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:55,320
Speaker 4: the reserves trying to like stabilize the value of their

3052
02:51:55,320 --> 02:51:59,199
Speaker 4: currency by offering conversions of their currency into the dollar

3053
02:51:59,240 --> 02:52:02,000
Speaker 4: at the official rate, by like letting people go convert

3054
02:52:02,080 --> 02:52:05,879
Speaker 4: their currency as of dollars. But again, we can't have

3055
02:52:06,040 --> 02:52:10,280
Speaker 4: that because it's dollars. We owe shit in dollars. And also,

3056
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:12,080
Speaker 4: in order to have like a full on balance payments

3057
02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:15,560
Speaker 4: crisis where you can't pay for things right, it requires

3058
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:18,400
Speaker 4: no one to be like willing to lend you money.

3059
02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:21,200
Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, like who is not going to

3060
02:52:21,280 --> 02:52:23,760
Speaker 4: lend the United States of America money? Like are you

3061
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:25,879
Speaker 4: kidding me? This is this is the fagas crisis of

3062
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:28,800
Speaker 4: all time. This bill, however, was passed again in like

3063
02:52:28,879 --> 02:52:32,039
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy four, and it was only three years after

3064
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:35,440
Speaker 4: the US was off the gold standard, and so people

3065
02:52:35,440 --> 02:52:37,959
Speaker 4: were like, Okay, we're going to do this thing in

3066
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,040
Speaker 4: case we ever go back to a situation where this

3067
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:44,279
Speaker 4: stuff is possible. But right now, like we literally structurally

3068
02:52:44,360 --> 02:52:47,840
Speaker 4: cannot have a balance of payments crisis, Like we can't

3069
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:51,279
Speaker 4: have one. You can't have a balance of payments deficits.

3070
02:52:52,040 --> 02:52:55,199
Speaker 4: This is not the same as a trade deficit. Trump

3071
02:52:55,240 --> 02:52:57,119
Speaker 4: is trying to argue that's, oh, we have a trade deficit.

3072
02:52:57,200 --> 02:52:59,440
Speaker 4: Our current's account, which is like the trade account is

3073
02:52:59,480 --> 02:53:03,200
Speaker 4: like four percent below balance. But then if you look

3074
02:53:03,240 --> 02:53:05,120
Speaker 4: at the capital account and you put them together a

3075
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:08,000
Speaker 4: balances because that's just how it works. Oh, that means

3076
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:12,279
Speaker 4: we're in trouble and nonsense, absolutely bullshit. He's also claiming

3077
02:53:12,280 --> 02:53:14,680
Speaker 4: that there's like fundamental international payment problems, which I know

3078
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:17,720
Speaker 4: there aren't, because fundamental international payment problems means you can't

3079
02:53:18,480 --> 02:53:23,879
Speaker 4: pay for your imports or like your debt, and if

3080
02:53:23,879 --> 02:53:28,800
Speaker 4: we weren't able to do that, you would all know. So, ah,

3081
02:53:28,840 --> 02:53:31,440
Speaker 4: they're going to lose this lawsuit because this is the

3082
02:53:31,480 --> 02:53:35,720
Speaker 4: fakest crisis that has ever existed. And now you know

3083
02:53:35,800 --> 02:53:39,920
Speaker 4: how fake it is, and also what balance of payments

3084
02:53:39,959 --> 02:53:42,320
Speaker 4: is you know? Okay, I'm going to close on a

3085
02:53:42,400 --> 02:53:45,600
Speaker 4: story about this, which is that there is a scenario

3086
02:53:45,640 --> 02:53:50,720
Speaker 4: in which this knowledge has actually saved countries before, and specifically,

3087
02:53:50,760 --> 02:53:53,920
Speaker 4: like the country that this saved was Cuba. There's like

3088
02:53:53,959 --> 02:53:57,760
Speaker 4: the Cuban Revolution, right, and immediately after the Cuban Revolution,

3089
02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:01,320
Speaker 4: the government it's not like at their communists. Yet there's

3090
02:54:01,360 --> 02:54:03,640
Speaker 4: this very very short window where it's like not quite

3091
02:54:03,800 --> 02:54:06,320
Speaker 4: entirely clear what the fuck is going to be going

3092
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:09,879
Speaker 4: on with this new like Cuban government, and the government

3093
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:13,400
Speaker 4: sends chay Guevara to the US to negotiate with a

3094
02:54:13,400 --> 02:54:18,360
Speaker 4: bunch of American banks, right, and che Guevara actually understands

3095
02:54:18,360 --> 02:54:20,560
Speaker 4: this stuff, right, he knows a balance of payments is,

3096
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:23,440
Speaker 4: he knows he's able to like talk to all of

3097
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:25,520
Speaker 4: the sort of Manhattan bankers who are talking about this

3098
02:54:25,560 --> 02:54:28,959
Speaker 4: stuff on their terms, right, and like they literally literally

3099
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:30,640
Speaker 4: the line they say about it was like, yeah, he

3100
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:32,640
Speaker 4: talks like a banker, right, he understands bounce of payments,

3101
02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:35,280
Speaker 4: He understands all of this stuff and what he's able

3102
02:54:35,360 --> 02:54:38,680
Speaker 4: to do. And this is critically like why the nation

3103
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:43,120
Speaker 4: of Cuba, like like why the Cuban Revolution succeeded was

3104
02:54:43,160 --> 02:54:45,880
Speaker 4: that he was able to get the US to give

3105
02:54:45,959 --> 02:54:49,199
Speaker 4: him all of his gold. But because he was able

3106
02:54:49,240 --> 02:54:51,640
Speaker 4: to convince these bankers, because he understood what they were

3107
02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:54,240
Speaker 4: talking about in their language, and these able convinced the

3108
02:54:54,360 --> 02:54:57,080
Speaker 4: US governments to get him all this fucking gold because

3109
02:54:57,080 --> 02:55:00,640
Speaker 4: he understood how the shit works. And that's why Cuba

3110
02:55:00,680 --> 02:55:03,119
Speaker 4: was like functional as a country after that, because they

3111
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:05,120
Speaker 4: had managed to get all of their gold reserves, which

3112
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:08,320
Speaker 4: previously had been being held in the US. So you know,

3113
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:11,240
Speaker 4: you never know when you too might be at the

3114
02:55:11,240 --> 02:55:13,880
Speaker 4: head of a better revolution or you might be the

3115
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:17,160
Speaker 4: one person in the new Revolutionary Coalition who understands what

3116
02:55:17,240 --> 02:55:19,520
Speaker 4: balance of payments is and you too, can get your

3117
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:21,879
Speaker 4: gold out of the United States before the government realizes

3118
02:55:21,879 --> 02:55:24,240
Speaker 4: that you're communists and like would have like locked it

3119
02:55:24,280 --> 02:55:29,879
Speaker 4: down and frozen it and taken the gold. So this

3120
02:55:29,959 --> 02:55:31,920
Speaker 4: is what it could happen here, the podcast that helps

3121
02:55:31,959 --> 02:55:35,879
Speaker 4: you take your country's gold reserves like che guevara, Oh.

3122
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:56,240
Speaker 3: Boy, this is it could happen here. Executive Disorder our

3123
02:55:56,240 --> 02:55:58,600
Speaker 3: weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House. They're

3124
02:55:58,600 --> 02:56:01,240
Speaker 3: crumbling world and what it means for you. I'm Garrison

3125
02:56:01,280 --> 02:56:04,280
Speaker 3: Davis today and joined by James Stout Robert Evans, with

3126
02:56:04,360 --> 02:56:08,039
Speaker 3: a segment later on by Mia Wong. This episode, we

3127
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:11,440
Speaker 3: are covering the week of March fourth to March eleventh.

3128
02:56:11,959 --> 02:56:14,879
Speaker 3: Some small news items here at the top. Ahead of

3129
02:56:15,160 --> 02:56:18,560
Speaker 3: National Espresso Martini Day this Sunday, Buffalo Wild Wings is

3130
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:23,800
Speaker 3: releasing a wing flavored espresso Proteiny cocktail made with muscle

3131
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:27,520
Speaker 3: milk protein powder infused with the Buffalo Dry rub, which

3132
02:56:27,560 --> 02:56:29,080
Speaker 3: also coats the rim of the glass.

3133
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:33,640
Speaker 2: I gotta say when we stationed a reporter permanently at

3134
02:56:33,640 --> 02:56:37,200
Speaker 2: Buffalo Wild Wings headquarters. A lot of people said why

3135
02:56:37,200 --> 02:56:39,840
Speaker 2: not somewhere in one of the many war zones in

3136
02:56:39,879 --> 02:56:42,360
Speaker 2: the world. You know, why not in Washington, DC in

3137
02:56:42,400 --> 02:56:45,880
Speaker 2: the press corps. And I shouted that person down until

3138
02:56:45,879 --> 02:56:49,160
Speaker 2: they cried. And today today I've been proven right.

3139
02:56:49,640 --> 02:56:52,120
Speaker 3: We will be doing a detailed report on the espresso

3140
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:57,600
Speaker 3: proteiny next week, anxiously awaiting the release of it this weekend.

3141
02:56:57,800 --> 02:57:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not touching that shit. Yes, I am excited

3142
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:04,200
Speaker 2: that they have finally decided to put muscle milk powder

3143
02:57:04,400 --> 02:57:06,039
Speaker 2: in an espresso martini.

3144
02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:09,400
Speaker 15: It's one of the fouls. Every word in this sentence

3145
02:57:09,440 --> 02:57:12,280
Speaker 15: gets worse. The dry rub, I think, is much more dangerous.

3146
02:57:12,280 --> 02:57:17,280
Speaker 2: Frankly, it's the dry raum muscle milk combo. You're gonna

3147
02:57:17,280 --> 02:57:20,720
Speaker 2: be sneezing as you drink it. It's imagine if someone

3148
02:57:20,760 --> 02:57:23,480
Speaker 2: had just come out with spicy packs of muscle milk,

3149
02:57:23,800 --> 02:57:25,440
Speaker 2: like pre mixed muscle milk that.

3150
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:28,959
Speaker 15: Was on spice. I'd be shocked, and that didn't already exist.

3151
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:31,840
Speaker 15: To be honest, I mean it, it'll kill you, It'll

3152
02:57:31,920 --> 02:57:32,720
Speaker 15: kill your toilet.

3153
02:57:33,360 --> 02:57:36,280
Speaker 2: What is beautiful to me though, and what I should not?

3154
02:57:36,440 --> 02:57:39,879
Speaker 2: This goes back to our sponsor's buffalo wild wings caring

3155
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:43,120
Speaker 2: very deeply about human beings. Muscle milk is in the

3156
02:57:43,160 --> 02:57:46,560
Speaker 2: bottom third of protein powders when it comes to lead exposure.

3157
02:57:47,160 --> 02:57:49,200
Speaker 2: Now that's still more lead than you're supposed to have

3158
02:57:50,480 --> 02:57:51,320
Speaker 2: the bottom third.

3159
02:57:51,720 --> 02:57:52,720
Speaker 4: It's one of the better ones.

3160
02:57:52,840 --> 02:57:54,000
Speaker 2: It's one of the better ones.

3161
02:57:55,120 --> 02:57:59,760
Speaker 3: Few other small news items. Erica Kirk has been appointed

3162
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:02,520
Speaker 3: to the Air Force Academy Board of Visitors.

3163
02:58:02,840 --> 02:58:06,720
Speaker 2: Obviously, Aerica air Force makes sense.

3164
02:58:07,480 --> 02:58:08,959
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk also is heard on this board.

3165
02:58:09,320 --> 02:58:13,119
Speaker 3: And Ben Shapiro's eyebrows are not actually that big. Those

3166
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:16,280
Speaker 3: videos are manipulated media.

3167
02:58:16,920 --> 02:58:19,440
Speaker 2: I saw those and I knew they were fake and

3168
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:22,640
Speaker 2: chose not to prove to myself that they were fake

3169
02:58:22,760 --> 02:58:25,360
Speaker 2: because I needed something that day. But I guess I'm

3170
02:58:25,400 --> 02:58:26,080
Speaker 2: okay today.

3171
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:30,320
Speaker 15: I haven't seen these. Oh wow, I'm just seeing these

3172
02:58:30,320 --> 02:58:31,080
Speaker 15: for the first time.

3173
02:58:31,800 --> 02:58:32,240
Speaker 27: Wow.

3174
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:34,880
Speaker 15: It's like a caterpillar has crawled up there.

3175
02:58:35,480 --> 02:58:37,320
Speaker 2: The beauty of how the meme worked is that I

3176
02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:39,120
Speaker 2: saw it for the first time right after waking up,

3177
02:58:39,200 --> 02:58:40,720
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, that's got to be fake.

3178
02:58:40,760 --> 02:58:43,440
Speaker 2: And then I saw five more pictures of different pictures

3179
02:58:43,440 --> 02:58:46,880
Speaker 2: with the eyebrows, and so I got this beautiful moment

3180
02:58:46,920 --> 02:58:48,480
Speaker 2: and it was it wasn't more than about a minute,

3181
02:58:48,520 --> 02:58:50,840
Speaker 2: but this moment of magic, like when you're a child

3182
02:58:50,879 --> 02:58:54,280
Speaker 2: on Christmas morning, like this might be real. Maybe this

3183
02:58:54,400 --> 02:58:54,800
Speaker 2: is real.

3184
02:58:55,760 --> 02:58:59,760
Speaker 3: It's one of the more useful uses for ai jen

3185
02:59:00,400 --> 02:59:01,800
Speaker 3: a altered videos.

3186
02:59:02,120 --> 02:59:03,080
Speaker 2: It's turned me around.

3187
02:59:03,360 --> 02:59:05,440
Speaker 3: You could apply like the you know, these these very

3188
02:59:05,480 --> 02:59:08,760
Speaker 3: subtle changes to a lot of different videos fairly quickly.

3189
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:11,120
Speaker 3: So it's not just one you know, photoshopped or like

3190
02:59:11,160 --> 02:59:13,800
Speaker 3: you know, visual effects video, but there's like five, you know,

3191
02:59:13,879 --> 02:59:17,160
Speaker 3: handheld cell phone videos that look pretty genuine and if

3192
02:59:17,160 --> 02:59:19,080
Speaker 3: you just make enough of them, you're like, oh this this,

3193
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:20,400
Speaker 3: this seems this seems real.

3194
02:59:20,800 --> 02:59:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, Garrison, you're bringing up the part

3195
02:59:22,840 --> 02:59:25,320
Speaker 2: of this that actually is evidence of a danger. But

3196
02:59:25,400 --> 02:59:29,440
Speaker 2: let's all just enjoy this for just a second more. Okay,

3197
02:59:29,560 --> 02:59:30,160
Speaker 2: we're done.

3198
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Speaker 15: Hundreds of people have returned to a free after having

3199
02:59:34,040 --> 02:59:37,400
Speaker 15: been removed nine years ago, in some cases by Turkey

3200
02:59:37,520 --> 02:59:40,680
Speaker 15: proxy forces and s and a many of them will

3201
02:59:40,680 --> 02:59:43,440
Speaker 15: have returned to find their orchids and their homes destroyed,

3202
02:59:43,800 --> 02:59:46,640
Speaker 15: but at least now they can begin to rebuild.

3203
02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:49,160
Speaker 2: For an idea of how important a fhrene was like

3204
02:59:49,280 --> 02:59:51,560
Speaker 2: one of the most common nom du gueers that I

3205
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:55,039
Speaker 2: came across when talking to YEPG and WYITEPG fighters was

3206
02:59:55,080 --> 02:59:57,879
Speaker 2: have Al Lafreen, Like it's a name that you pick

3207
02:59:58,040 --> 03:00:00,160
Speaker 2: because you're not going to use your real name as

3208
03:00:00,160 --> 03:00:02,520
Speaker 2: a revolutionary fighter. And a lot of people, some of

3209
03:00:02,520 --> 03:00:04,120
Speaker 2: them came from a friend, some of them was just

3210
03:00:04,160 --> 03:00:06,840
Speaker 2: a symbol of you know what the Curds had lost

3211
03:00:06,879 --> 03:00:09,480
Speaker 2: due to Turkish military aggression. Yeah, but this is a

3212
03:00:09,560 --> 03:00:10,560
Speaker 2: very big deal for them.

3213
03:00:10,959 --> 03:00:13,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's like, I know I've been critical of STG,

3214
03:00:14,040 --> 03:00:15,920
Speaker 15: but like I'm glad to see this happening.

3215
03:00:16,280 --> 03:00:16,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3216
03:00:16,959 --> 03:00:20,320
Speaker 15: Also in Syria, Sipan Himo has been appointed as a

3217
03:00:20,400 --> 03:00:24,680
Speaker 15: Deputy Minister of Defense for Eastern Syria, which would be

3218
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:26,600
Speaker 15: I guess the way they're dividing up now would be

3219
03:00:26,600 --> 03:00:29,439
Speaker 15: the area which include Syrian Kurdistan.

3220
03:00:29,959 --> 03:00:30,840
Speaker 2: And we just.

3221
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Speaker 15: Learned today very sadly that Salam Muslim, who's one of

3222
03:00:35,280 --> 03:00:38,600
Speaker 15: the co chairs of the PYD, the Democratic Union Party,

3223
03:00:39,040 --> 03:00:42,039
Speaker 15: has passed away, which is yeah, pretty sad.

3224
03:00:42,040 --> 03:00:42,640
Speaker 2: Rest in peace.

3225
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:46,480
Speaker 3: Last week, the Department of Justice finally released some of

3226
03:00:46,520 --> 03:00:50,440
Speaker 3: the missing files related to four interviews between nineteen with

3227
03:00:50,520 --> 03:00:53,600
Speaker 3: a protected source who claimed that Epstein introduced her to

3228
03:00:53,640 --> 03:00:56,280
Speaker 3: Trump in the eighties when she was between the ages

3229
03:00:56,320 --> 03:00:59,200
Speaker 3: of thirteen and fifteen, and that Trump has actually abused her.

3230
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:04,200
Speaker 3: The released documents r FBI memos summarizing three interviews and

3231
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Speaker 3: a crisis intake form. Yeah, this victim received a financial

3232
03:01:08,480 --> 03:01:11,040
Speaker 3: settlement from the FSCNA state in twenty twenty one. An

3233
03:01:11,160 --> 03:01:14,320
Speaker 3: NPR found that there are still thirty seven missing pages

3234
03:01:14,640 --> 03:01:16,039
Speaker 3: related to these interviews.

3235
03:01:16,600 --> 03:01:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's also worth noting that the FBI is currently

3236
03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:25,600
Speaker 2: looking into Zoro Ranch. What was lunch Zoro Ranch in

3237
03:01:25,920 --> 03:01:30,000
Speaker 2: New Mexico. This was Jeffrey Epstein's New Mexico property, and

3238
03:01:30,040 --> 03:01:31,960
Speaker 2: it's where he talked a lot about when he would

3239
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:35,160
Speaker 2: talk about his plans to like breed a bunch of

3240
03:01:35,240 --> 03:01:38,560
Speaker 2: children and stuff with his DNA or whatever he like.

3241
03:01:38,680 --> 03:01:41,800
Speaker 2: Zoro Ranch was the epicenter of this, and it's become

3242
03:01:41,879 --> 03:01:44,640
Speaker 2: clear in the documents release that in terms of the

3243
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:48,520
Speaker 2: amount of trafficking and the amount of abuse of trafficked

3244
03:01:48,640 --> 03:01:53,080
Speaker 2: children that was done there at least equal to his island. Now,

3245
03:01:53,560 --> 03:01:56,360
Speaker 2: this ranch goes under a new name and it's owned

3246
03:01:56,440 --> 03:02:02,640
Speaker 2: by a new person, and we'll talk about who exactly

3247
03:02:02,680 --> 03:02:06,200
Speaker 2: that is in a second. But there were several attempts

3248
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:09,520
Speaker 2: by local law enforcement to investigate the ranch, particularly to

3249
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:13,040
Speaker 2: dig for human remains, but those were kind of stymied

3250
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:18,360
Speaker 2: by ongoing FBI investigations that seem very shady in retrospect,

3251
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:20,920
Speaker 2: given how long they waited to look for bodies on

3252
03:02:20,959 --> 03:02:23,160
Speaker 2: the ranch. But they're doing that now. I don't know

3253
03:02:23,160 --> 03:02:24,879
Speaker 2: if they're going to find anything. A lot of the

3254
03:02:25,040 --> 03:02:30,040
Speaker 2: talk about bodies is in like individual anonymous reports that said,

3255
03:02:30,480 --> 03:02:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're looking. They should be looking at this ranch.

3256
03:02:34,680 --> 03:02:37,440
Speaker 2: And now I can give the promised punchline, which is

3257
03:02:37,440 --> 03:02:40,000
Speaker 2: that the current guy who owns Jeffrey Epstein's ranch is

3258
03:02:40,080 --> 03:02:44,959
Speaker 2: Don Hauffines, who's running for state comptroller in Texas and

3259
03:02:45,000 --> 03:02:47,280
Speaker 2: who used to run one of the big dealerships in

3260
03:02:47,320 --> 03:02:51,080
Speaker 2: my childhood. Huffines has it in this case, Huffins might

3261
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:56,960
Speaker 2: have evidence that Jeffrey Epstein murdered people. Great is that

3262
03:02:57,160 --> 03:02:57,520
Speaker 2: is bleak.

3263
03:02:58,440 --> 03:03:02,240
Speaker 15: Let's start with Christy no As we reported last week,

3264
03:03:02,480 --> 03:03:04,959
Speaker 15: it looks like Christi Nome's time at the Department of

3265
03:03:05,080 --> 03:03:08,520
Speaker 15: Homeland Security is about to come to an end. Did

3266
03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:11,600
Speaker 15: seem that at the time that Trump announced this via

3267
03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:16,400
Speaker 15: truth Noome was unaware of her removal and at this

3268
03:03:16,520 --> 03:03:21,600
Speaker 15: footage of her speaking at an event as people become

3269
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:24,240
Speaker 15: aware that she's lost her job. But shortly afterwards, she

3270
03:03:24,280 --> 03:03:28,039
Speaker 15: posted on x dot com the Everything website, thank you

3271
03:03:28,120 --> 03:03:31,120
Speaker 15: at potus for appointing me as a special envoy for

3272
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:35,000
Speaker 15: Shield of the Americas. When you see this Shield of

3273
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:37,360
Speaker 15: the America's this is not Christian. When you see the

3274
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:40,000
Speaker 15: Shield of America's website, you will fucking be laughing. Then

3275
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:46,279
Speaker 15: at SEC Rubio and a SEC War are incredible leaders

3276
03:03:46,320 --> 03:03:48,400
Speaker 15: and I look forward to working with them closely to

3277
03:03:48,440 --> 03:03:51,640
Speaker 15: dismantle cartels poured drugs into our nation and killed our

3278
03:03:51,720 --> 03:03:53,280
Speaker 15: children and grandchildren.

3279
03:03:54,200 --> 03:03:57,120
Speaker 2: That There's a lot more in this tweet. Yeah, I

3280
03:03:57,200 --> 03:04:02,080
Speaker 2: appreciate how Trump congratulated on being an excellent Secretary of

3281
03:04:02,160 --> 03:04:09,600
Speaker 2: in quotation Mark's homeland. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, good stuff. Yeah,

3282
03:04:09,680 --> 03:04:10,240
Speaker 2: it was great.

3283
03:04:10,720 --> 03:04:14,320
Speaker 15: There has been some speculation about known being fired because

3284
03:04:14,360 --> 03:04:18,120
Speaker 15: of vehicles that she purchased for DHS. I've linked to

3285
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:22,160
Speaker 15: a bunch of those contracts. I found the contracts that

3286
03:04:22,400 --> 03:04:25,560
Speaker 15: money is relatively trivial when you look at the massive

3287
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:27,879
Speaker 15: budget that they have, and I'm really not sure that

3288
03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:29,800
Speaker 15: this was a reason, and I've seen no evidence to

3289
03:04:29,840 --> 03:04:33,440
Speaker 15: suggest that it was. What I have seen is that

3290
03:04:33,480 --> 03:04:36,760
Speaker 15: Gnome is going to be replaced by Mark Wayne Mullen.

3291
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:41,480
Speaker 15: Mullen is a bombastic MAGA supporter. He's probably best known

3292
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,880
Speaker 15: with trying to start a fight in Congress with Sean

3293
03:04:44,879 --> 03:04:50,600
Speaker 15: O'Brien and generally being an extremely loyal support of Trump

3294
03:04:50,800 --> 03:04:53,480
Speaker 15: in all cases, apart from January sixth, where for a

3295
03:04:53,520 --> 03:04:58,279
Speaker 15: while he supported prosecutions. Now he's much more like equivocating

3296
03:04:58,320 --> 03:05:01,280
Speaker 15: on that. He also at one point attempted to set

3297
03:05:01,360 --> 03:05:05,760
Speaker 15: up his own evacuation of US citizens from Afghanistan during

3298
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:10,880
Speaker 15: the Biden deministration. He is an enrolled citizen the Cherokee Nation, which,

3299
03:05:11,400 --> 03:05:13,520
Speaker 15: as I commented before, has been the source of far

3300
03:05:13,560 --> 03:05:17,080
Speaker 15: too many democratic critiques which are really kind of disgusting

3301
03:05:17,120 --> 03:05:17,720
Speaker 15: and bigoted.

3302
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3303
03:05:18,520 --> 03:05:20,840
Speaker 15: God, there are so many things to be upset about

3304
03:05:20,920 --> 03:05:24,000
Speaker 15: Quae Munnin about, and being Cherokee is not one of them.

3305
03:05:24,040 --> 03:05:26,800
Speaker 15: And like policing how you think indigenous people should look

3306
03:05:26,920 --> 03:05:29,879
Speaker 15: or suggesting that like, yeah, he doesn't fit your trope

3307
03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:33,200
Speaker 15: of indigenous people is in itself bigoted and offensive.

3308
03:05:33,400 --> 03:05:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a general rule, if you're like finding reasons

3309
03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:39,920
Speaker 2: or reading someone else who's finding reasons to say this

3310
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:42,840
Speaker 2: person who has lived their entire life as a member

3311
03:05:42,879 --> 03:05:45,760
Speaker 2: of this tribe, isn't really that you're basing it on

3312
03:05:45,959 --> 03:05:49,760
Speaker 2: some form of racist US government logic from one decade

3313
03:05:49,879 --> 03:05:52,959
Speaker 2: or another, because it's changed over time, as opposed to

3314
03:05:53,400 --> 03:05:57,320
Speaker 2: how the tribe actually considers membership. Right, which, yeah, is it?

3315
03:05:57,480 --> 03:05:59,879
Speaker 2: I guess what should matter most. I don't. I shouldn't

3316
03:05:59,879 --> 03:06:01,200
Speaker 2: have an opinion on it either way.

3317
03:06:01,280 --> 03:06:04,600
Speaker 15: But it's not what you claim, it's who claims you away.

3318
03:06:04,600 --> 03:06:07,160
Speaker 15: I've had it right right exactly. It's like the way family.

3319
03:06:07,400 --> 03:06:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I shouldn't say anymore because it's not

3320
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:09,720
Speaker 2: my fucking place.

3321
03:06:10,120 --> 03:06:13,199
Speaker 15: Yeah, I wish other people would adopt the same science.

3322
03:06:15,000 --> 03:06:18,800
Speaker 15: Mullin is a really big border hawk. He's been incredibly

3323
03:06:18,840 --> 03:06:22,879
Speaker 15: combative in Congress. I don't think that this will make

3324
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:27,720
Speaker 15: DHS any less aggressive or violent. Clearly, Gnomes Tenure had

3325
03:06:27,800 --> 03:06:30,800
Speaker 15: become unpopular right in the same way that Baveno had

3326
03:06:30,840 --> 03:06:34,160
Speaker 15: become unpopular. But I don't think this signals a dramatic

3327
03:06:34,400 --> 03:06:38,400
Speaker 15: change in DHS leadership or you know, towards respecting people's

3328
03:06:38,400 --> 03:06:41,760
Speaker 15: basic dignity and rights. Now, I want to talk a

3329
03:06:41,800 --> 03:06:45,160
Speaker 15: little bit about the Shield of the Americas. The program

3330
03:06:45,160 --> 03:06:48,240
Speaker 15: was announced last weekend at Trump's golf resort in southern Florida.

3331
03:06:48,720 --> 03:06:51,760
Speaker 15: It currently has a web page with it a really

3332
03:06:51,800 --> 03:06:55,240
Speaker 15: incredible placeholder graphic. Maybe I should just share this. If

3333
03:06:55,240 --> 03:06:57,480
Speaker 15: you go to Shield of the America's.

3334
03:06:56,959 --> 03:07:00,879
Speaker 3: Dot site, I was wondering if that was a real website.

3335
03:07:01,000 --> 03:07:03,480
Speaker 3: I think it is, like, do we know that that's

3336
03:07:03,520 --> 03:07:04,400
Speaker 3: actually what they.

3337
03:07:05,240 --> 03:07:08,080
Speaker 15: So I'm a little unsure because I couldn't find like

3338
03:07:08,120 --> 03:07:13,600
Speaker 15: a government contract for like the website hosting right that.

3339
03:07:13,800 --> 03:07:15,720
Speaker 15: I don't think I've ever found a government contract to

3340
03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:18,840
Speaker 15: the website hosting. So it's a placeholder. And then it

3341
03:07:18,879 --> 03:07:23,320
Speaker 15: has videos. If you click access content, it appears to

3342
03:07:23,360 --> 03:07:27,119
Speaker 15: be essentially like a drop box huh for videos of

3343
03:07:27,440 --> 03:07:30,680
Speaker 15: the Shield of the America's event. Yeah, it seems to

3344
03:07:30,720 --> 03:07:31,240
Speaker 15: be real.

3345
03:07:31,600 --> 03:07:33,800
Speaker 3: It does seem to be based on the inclusion of

3346
03:07:33,840 --> 03:07:37,039
Speaker 3: these videos. But the main page with the with the

3347
03:07:37,080 --> 03:07:37,840
Speaker 3: little shit.

3348
03:07:37,800 --> 03:07:38,879
Speaker 15: That's definitely their logo.

3349
03:07:39,280 --> 03:07:42,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like it's from two thousand and five

3350
03:07:42,440 --> 03:07:44,400
Speaker 3: in the most enduring way possible.

3351
03:07:44,560 --> 03:07:47,959
Speaker 15: You know, someone booted up Microsoft paint and went to

3352
03:07:48,040 --> 03:07:48,600
Speaker 15: town on this.

3353
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:51,199
Speaker 2: Someone had graphic design as a passion.

3354
03:07:51,320 --> 03:07:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks kind of Gi Joe ask, it looks

3355
03:07:53,920 --> 03:07:57,400
Speaker 3: kind of like American Ninja Warrior ass Yeah. Like it's

3356
03:07:57,520 --> 03:08:01,519
Speaker 3: it's a very specific, like an era of of design choices.

3357
03:08:01,160 --> 03:08:07,039
Speaker 15: Here this shield graphic, it's fascinating much to discuss anyway,

3358
03:08:07,360 --> 03:08:10,720
Speaker 15: Moving past a graphic currently, the agreement. The Shield of

3359
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:15,600
Speaker 15: America's agreement was signed by representatives from Argentina, Bolivia, Costanica, Ecuador,

3360
03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:20,080
Speaker 15: El Salvador, Guyana, Honduras, Panama, of Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago,

3361
03:08:20,120 --> 03:08:24,080
Speaker 15: and the United States. Evidently, for those keeping track of

3362
03:08:24,120 --> 03:08:28,000
Speaker 15: countries in the Americas, it's leaves Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, and Venezuela,

3363
03:08:28,040 --> 03:08:31,200
Speaker 15: along with other Caribbean island nations. There was also a

3364
03:08:31,240 --> 03:08:34,720
Speaker 15: representative from Chile's president elect, who obviously couldn't sign because

3365
03:08:34,720 --> 03:08:37,480
Speaker 15: they don't have the authority to do so. Yet, what

3366
03:08:37,640 --> 03:08:41,879
Speaker 15: it seems to be is an extension of what we've

3367
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:45,680
Speaker 15: seen already right of the quote unquote Donroe doctrine.

3368
03:08:46,920 --> 03:08:49,280
Speaker 2: Can we just call it the Trump doctrine? Why do

3369
03:08:49,320 --> 03:08:49,880
Speaker 2: we gotta do this?

3370
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,120
Speaker 3: I think the don Road auction actually is the correct

3371
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:55,360
Speaker 3: way to refer to it, as.

3372
03:08:56,160 --> 03:09:00,760
Speaker 15: I just Trump himself has used it and it annoys me. Unfortunately,

3373
03:09:00,879 --> 03:09:02,920
Speaker 15: so annoys me. Yeah, me both, buddy.

3374
03:09:03,040 --> 03:09:05,160
Speaker 2: I know it's what he calls it, but it annoys me.

3375
03:09:05,240 --> 03:09:06,519
Speaker 2: It's extremely unfortunate.

3376
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:08,680
Speaker 3: But it also links it to an actual lineage of

3377
03:09:08,959 --> 03:09:10,440
Speaker 3: US foreign policy behavior.

3378
03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:13,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

3379
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:15,600
Speaker 15: The Trump corollary to the Monroe doctrine would perhaps have

3380
03:09:15,680 --> 03:09:17,840
Speaker 15: been a more conventional way.

3381
03:09:18,080 --> 03:09:20,840
Speaker 2: That would be the dignified way to refer to it.

3382
03:09:20,959 --> 03:09:23,160
Speaker 2: That would be the way like a historian would hope

3383
03:09:23,200 --> 03:09:24,160
Speaker 2: to refer to it.

3384
03:09:24,600 --> 03:09:27,880
Speaker 15: The Unfortunately, dignity is not a thing that it's abounding.

3385
03:09:27,400 --> 03:09:28,720
Speaker 2: At this time. No, it's not.

3386
03:09:29,080 --> 03:09:32,320
Speaker 3: It's not first as tragedy, second as first yeah, and

3387
03:09:32,360 --> 03:09:33,560
Speaker 3: then it's really big fast.

3388
03:09:33,879 --> 03:09:36,240
Speaker 15: I guess the best way to explain Short of America

3389
03:09:36,280 --> 03:09:38,560
Speaker 15: is is to explain the conference it was hosted the

3390
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:41,960
Speaker 15: day before at Trump's golf resort, which was the Department

3391
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:45,199
Speaker 15: of Defense, sometimes referred to as the Department of War.

3392
03:09:45,160 --> 03:09:48,440
Speaker 3: But not when they're talking about military action in Iran,

3393
03:09:48,560 --> 03:09:50,480
Speaker 3: in which it's the Department of Defense again.

3394
03:09:50,680 --> 03:09:53,120
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, because that's not a war. The

3395
03:09:54,040 --> 03:10:00,000
Speaker 15: DD hosted the America's Countercutel Conference. The correct a brief

3396
03:10:00,360 --> 03:10:03,119
Speaker 15: and according to the Secretary of Defense is AC three.

3397
03:10:03,959 --> 03:10:06,200
Speaker 15: Just so you know, and I think it's best to

3398
03:10:06,240 --> 03:10:09,480
Speaker 15: explain this with the strikes that were carried out just

3399
03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:11,000
Speaker 15: a few days before this, right on the third of

3400
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:13,880
Speaker 15: Marty in the six so much southcomb so that that

3401
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:17,520
Speaker 15: would be the US Regional Command, which encompasses South America

3402
03:10:17,520 --> 03:10:22,400
Speaker 15: and Central America, announced it quote launched operations against quote

3403
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:25,279
Speaker 15: designated terrorist organizations in Ecuador.

3404
03:10:26,040 --> 03:10:28,119
Speaker 2: We saw videos of.

3405
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:32,800
Speaker 15: Like these very small, very isolated jungle outposts being struck,

3406
03:10:33,720 --> 03:10:36,520
Speaker 15: and then we saw videos of helicopters deploying troops who

3407
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:39,840
Speaker 15: did not appear to be United States troops. It's uncle

3408
03:10:39,959 --> 03:10:42,440
Speaker 15: exactly like what the munitions or what the thing doing

3409
03:10:42,480 --> 03:10:45,320
Speaker 15: that the strike at the start of those videos were.

3410
03:10:45,920 --> 03:10:49,080
Speaker 15: But it seems that the US is working at the

3411
03:10:49,160 --> 03:10:53,040
Speaker 15: very least with Ecuadorian troops. Potentially, the US is just

3412
03:10:53,160 --> 03:10:56,120
Speaker 15: there to quote unquote train, advise, and assist, right, but

3413
03:10:56,240 --> 03:11:02,240
Speaker 15: it signals a much more like VI approach to this

3414
03:11:02,360 --> 03:11:07,800
Speaker 15: anti cartel mission. Yeah, in this case, the two groups

3415
03:11:07,840 --> 03:11:11,040
Speaker 15: Los Jooneiros and Los Lobos, they were both listed as

3416
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:17,400
Speaker 15: foreign terrorist organizations and specially designated global terrorists in September

3417
03:11:17,440 --> 03:11:18,520
Speaker 15: of last year.

3418
03:11:19,360 --> 03:11:20,359
Speaker 2: I haven't seen.

3419
03:11:20,160 --> 03:11:24,800
Speaker 15: That link made anywhere else explicitly in reference to this strike,

3420
03:11:24,879 --> 03:11:27,760
Speaker 15: but the fact that they used They didn't use FTO

3421
03:11:28,120 --> 03:11:31,840
Speaker 15: in the statement, right. They used dto designated terrorist organizations,

3422
03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:34,320
Speaker 15: and there are a few different ways an organization can

3423
03:11:34,360 --> 03:11:37,720
Speaker 15: be designated as a terrorist. But given that there are

3424
03:11:37,720 --> 03:11:40,240
Speaker 15: two that are listed as ftos, and that those two

3425
03:11:40,280 --> 03:11:42,400
Speaker 15: are the most acquid in the region, I think we

3426
03:11:42,480 --> 03:11:47,800
Speaker 15: can assume that that's who it was against. They also

3427
03:11:47,840 --> 03:11:51,320
Speaker 15: added the Clandale Golfer right. The golf cartel would be

3428
03:11:51,360 --> 03:11:53,920
Speaker 15: how people refer to in English in December of twenty

3429
03:11:53,959 --> 03:11:56,080
Speaker 15: five to the FTO list. I didn't pick this up

3430
03:11:56,080 --> 03:11:58,280
Speaker 15: at the time, and again I haven't seen a great

3431
03:11:58,280 --> 03:12:02,160
Speaker 15: deal of reporting on it. The reason this concerns me

3432
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:06,879
Speaker 15: is that it pertains to the trig bar terrorism related

3433
03:12:06,959 --> 03:12:11,760
Speaker 15: in admissibility guidelines. The trig bar can bar people for

3434
03:12:11,879 --> 03:12:14,680
Speaker 15: being admissible to the United States, and it could be

3435
03:12:14,680 --> 03:12:21,560
Speaker 15: a serious barrier to migrants. Organizations can be considered terrorists

3436
03:12:21,640 --> 03:12:23,520
Speaker 15: for the purpose of the trig bar if they are

3437
03:12:23,560 --> 03:12:28,879
Speaker 15: not ftos, But the addition of the golf Cartel to

3438
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:33,240
Speaker 15: the FTO list will make it very hard for people

3439
03:12:33,320 --> 03:12:37,720
Speaker 15: seeking asylum in the United States who have crossed a Darien,

3440
03:12:38,360 --> 03:12:41,240
Speaker 15: because it is not possible for them to do that,

3441
03:12:41,320 --> 03:12:43,240
Speaker 15: at least if they are coming from south to north,

3442
03:12:43,240 --> 03:12:46,400
Speaker 15: which was a durction of travel until twenty twenty five,

3443
03:12:47,080 --> 03:12:49,680
Speaker 15: without transiting golf Cartel territory, and it would not be

3444
03:12:49,720 --> 03:12:53,000
Speaker 15: possible for that to happen without interacting with them in

3445
03:12:53,040 --> 03:12:57,240
Speaker 15: some way. And so this is just potentially very concerning.

3446
03:12:57,240 --> 03:12:59,000
Speaker 15: I want to do more reporting on the trig bar

3447
03:13:00,320 --> 03:13:03,720
Speaker 15: pursuing that with some public records requests, which will just

3448
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:07,920
Speaker 15: take some time. Trump has very clearly made the link

3449
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:12,200
Speaker 15: between this coalition and the much larger international coalition against

3450
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:16,520
Speaker 15: the Islamic State. I've said this before, but he clearly

3451
03:13:16,560 --> 03:13:20,920
Speaker 15: sees Operation Inherent Resolve as a very successful model for

3452
03:13:20,920 --> 03:13:21,760
Speaker 15: foreign policy.

3453
03:13:22,040 --> 03:13:22,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3454
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:24,720
Speaker 2: I especially think the.

3455
03:13:24,720 --> 03:13:27,840
Speaker 15: Model of the it was called talent anvil, but the

3456
03:13:27,920 --> 03:13:30,959
Speaker 15: strike cell that they had in Syria is one that

3457
03:13:31,000 --> 03:13:33,879
Speaker 15: he thinks is a very successful model. I've written about

3458
03:13:34,320 --> 03:13:35,760
Speaker 15: a link to a piece I wrote about this in

3459
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:39,440
Speaker 15: my newsletter. But Robert, do you want to go ahead there?

3460
03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I should start with a little update

3461
03:13:43,879 --> 03:13:47,760
Speaker 2: on our ongoing story, which is that America is out

3462
03:13:47,840 --> 03:13:51,240
Speaker 2: of bullets. Or running out of bullets, not literal bullets,

3463
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:54,000
Speaker 2: there's plenty of those, yeah, and also those in America.

3464
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:57,560
Speaker 2: But the actual munitions that we use to intercept both

3465
03:13:57,640 --> 03:14:01,280
Speaker 2: drones and ballistic missiles, couple of things have happened since

3466
03:14:01,320 --> 03:14:04,560
Speaker 2: the start of our war with Iran. We've moved a

3467
03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:08,240
Speaker 2: significant chunk, if not the absolute majority, it's a little unclear,

3468
03:14:08,720 --> 03:14:12,320
Speaker 2: of the anti missile and anti drone weaponry, the major

3469
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:15,480
Speaker 2: stuff that we had protecting other parts of the world

3470
03:14:15,480 --> 03:14:18,120
Speaker 2: that the United States has bases in like South Korea,

3471
03:14:18,680 --> 03:14:21,600
Speaker 2: over to the Middle East and over to intercept Iranian

3472
03:14:21,640 --> 03:14:24,640
Speaker 2: missiles primarily headed either towards US forces or most often

3473
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:27,680
Speaker 2: to Israel. But even with all of the shit that

3474
03:14:27,720 --> 03:14:31,000
Speaker 2: we've redeployed from other areas, there's only so many of

3475
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:33,520
Speaker 2: the munitions that we use because they're very expensive, and

3476
03:14:33,560 --> 03:14:36,600
Speaker 2: particularly the drones that are on is using, like the

3477
03:14:36,640 --> 03:14:40,360
Speaker 2: Shahed drones, are very cheap. So starting at kind of

3478
03:14:40,400 --> 03:14:43,000
Speaker 2: the start of hostilities, we were looking about six point

3479
03:14:43,040 --> 03:14:48,760
Speaker 2: seven percent Iranian drones got through. The intercept got through.

3480
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:50,680
Speaker 2: And this is just in the UAE, but you can

3481
03:14:50,760 --> 03:14:54,760
Speaker 2: assume that it's fairly accurate to other theaters, right because

3482
03:14:54,760 --> 03:14:56,520
Speaker 2: we have a lot of missile defense and a lot

3483
03:14:56,520 --> 03:14:58,760
Speaker 2: of drone events in the UAE. So at the start

3484
03:14:58,760 --> 03:15:01,600
Speaker 2: of hostilities, about six points seven percent of Iranian Shaheed

3485
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:04,880
Speaker 2: drones we're getting through the UAE's differences.

3486
03:15:05,000 --> 03:15:09,000
Speaker 15: Stop it, huh, there is a thing, rubbit that younger

3487
03:15:09,000 --> 03:15:09,520
Speaker 15: people do.

3488
03:15:10,680 --> 03:15:13,280
Speaker 2: Yes, the six seventh thing. Yes, I know, it's funny.

3489
03:15:13,720 --> 03:15:17,240
Speaker 2: Aron did that just for the Zoomers or the jinn

3490
03:15:17,280 --> 03:15:22,600
Speaker 2: Alfas whatever. Anyway, that's February, like twenty eighth. By March tenth,

3491
03:15:22,680 --> 03:15:25,440
Speaker 2: more than twenty five percent of Iranian drones are getting

3492
03:15:25,440 --> 03:15:29,360
Speaker 2: through the UAE's interception defenses. Oh wow. There hasn't been

3493
03:15:29,360 --> 03:15:32,280
Speaker 2: a massive change in the rate of ballistic missile interceptions yet,

3494
03:15:32,560 --> 03:15:35,279
Speaker 2: which suggests that at least we're not running on empty.

3495
03:15:35,800 --> 03:15:40,879
Speaker 2: But that's not good, right, that's a massive change. Like,

3496
03:15:40,959 --> 03:15:43,760
Speaker 2: that's a massive issue. So we'll continue. I'll be doing

3497
03:15:43,800 --> 03:15:46,440
Speaker 2: a whole episode on how the US is running out

3498
03:15:46,440 --> 03:15:49,360
Speaker 2: of bullets. Bullets being you know, a stand in tern

3499
03:15:49,400 --> 03:15:51,720
Speaker 2: for more advanced munitions. But I've got something else to

3500
03:15:51,760 --> 03:15:55,959
Speaker 2: talk about right now that's also involved in the Iranian theater. Particularly,

3501
03:15:56,000 --> 03:15:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

3502
03:15:59,440 --> 03:16:01,640
Speaker 2: Let's do some adds for products that you may not

3503
03:16:01,800 --> 03:16:05,640
Speaker 2: be able to buy if naval traffic is interdicted through

3504
03:16:05,680 --> 03:16:09,480
Speaker 2: the Strait of horm Moos so by him now, so

3505
03:16:09,560 --> 03:16:24,680
Speaker 2: get him now books. So there's an evidence that's come

3506
03:16:24,720 --> 03:16:26,800
Speaker 2: out kind of in the last couple of days. I

3507
03:16:26,800 --> 03:16:29,840
Speaker 2: start broken on the New Republic, But I believe CBS

3508
03:16:29,879 --> 03:16:33,240
Speaker 2: News was the origin point that Iran started laying minds

3509
03:16:33,320 --> 03:16:37,840
Speaker 2: in the Strait before Donald Trump publicly declared he was going,

3510
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:41,320
Speaker 2: he wanted to take it over. So basically, after we

3511
03:16:41,440 --> 03:16:43,800
Speaker 2: killed a huge chunk of the Iranian government, Trump started

3512
03:16:43,800 --> 03:16:46,000
Speaker 2: public amusing, maybe we'll just take over the Strait of

3513
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:49,680
Speaker 2: horror moves, and Iran started mining the shit out of it. Now,

3514
03:16:50,080 --> 03:16:52,080
Speaker 2: this is a problem for a lot of reasons. For

3515
03:16:52,160 --> 03:16:56,240
Speaker 2: one thing, the Strait is probably the most I mean,

3516
03:16:56,280 --> 03:17:01,039
Speaker 2: it's arguably the most important energy transit point on planet Earth,

3517
03:17:01,120 --> 03:17:03,600
Speaker 2: right Like, it's about a fifth of all crude oil

3518
03:17:03,640 --> 03:17:06,959
Speaker 2: shipments go through the Strait. Ye, that's not the only

3519
03:17:07,080 --> 03:17:09,320
Speaker 2: thing that goes through there, but it is an incredible

3520
03:17:09,320 --> 03:17:13,240
Speaker 2: amount of the world's crude oil supply travels through this strait.

3521
03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:17,240
Speaker 2: And Tehran's always kind of had the option of closing

3522
03:17:17,240 --> 03:17:19,400
Speaker 2: it by just dumping a bunch of mines in there.

3523
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:23,560
Speaker 2: Mines are incredibly cheap. You can drop mines from very

3524
03:17:23,600 --> 03:17:27,000
Speaker 2: small boats. The US Navy is very good at blowing

3525
03:17:27,080 --> 03:17:29,360
Speaker 2: up big boats, but if you have a shipload of

3526
03:17:29,360 --> 03:17:32,240
Speaker 2: small boats that have a shitload of mines, it's basically

3527
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:36,200
Speaker 2: impossible to stop an adversary like Iran from laying a

3528
03:17:36,200 --> 03:17:40,520
Speaker 2: fuckload of mines. And that will make it basically untenable

3529
03:17:40,600 --> 03:17:43,840
Speaker 2: financially for anyone to run oil through the strait. If

3530
03:17:43,840 --> 03:17:46,200
Speaker 2: you never know if one of your boats is going

3531
03:17:46,240 --> 03:17:48,959
Speaker 2: to get hit by a fucking sea mine, it makes

3532
03:17:49,000 --> 03:17:51,280
Speaker 2: it hard to get insure to run a boat through

3533
03:17:51,320 --> 03:17:53,520
Speaker 2: the strait of horn moves. Most of these mines are

3534
03:17:53,520 --> 03:17:55,320
Speaker 2: not capable of I mean, these minds in general are

3535
03:17:55,320 --> 03:17:57,800
Speaker 2: not capable of destroying the kind of bolt callars that.

3536
03:17:57,760 --> 03:17:58,600
Speaker 4: Move crude through.

3537
03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:00,120
Speaker 2: They're not going to blow the boat out of the

3538
03:18:00,160 --> 03:18:02,640
Speaker 2: water immediately, but they're going to damage it, and they

3539
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:04,520
Speaker 2: have a very good chance, because these boats are filled

3540
03:18:04,520 --> 03:18:07,360
Speaker 2: with crude fucking oil, of lighting them on fire. And

3541
03:18:07,400 --> 03:18:10,560
Speaker 2: that causes a serious problem for the crew.

3542
03:18:10,320 --> 03:18:11,000
Speaker 5: Of any boat.

3543
03:18:11,240 --> 03:18:13,360
Speaker 2: I want you to I shouldn't have to explain why

3544
03:18:13,360 --> 03:18:15,160
Speaker 2: that creates a serious problem with the crew of any

3545
03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:18,760
Speaker 2: boat that's filled with crude oil. Right, it's pretty obvious

3546
03:18:19,240 --> 03:18:23,000
Speaker 2: that once it became clear that Iran started laying had

3547
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,800
Speaker 2: started laying mines in the Straight, US forces claimed to

3548
03:18:25,800 --> 03:18:29,400
Speaker 2: have sunk sixteen mine layers. That was from US Syncom,

3549
03:18:29,959 --> 03:18:32,959
Speaker 2: although it's kind of unclear because at least half of

3550
03:18:32,959 --> 03:18:34,920
Speaker 2: those seem to have been inactive at the time, So

3551
03:18:34,959 --> 03:18:37,039
Speaker 2: these may have just been bigger mind layers that we

3552
03:18:37,160 --> 03:18:39,320
Speaker 2: hit at the start of our attacks on their navy,

3553
03:18:39,480 --> 03:18:41,120
Speaker 2: and then when we realized there's going to be a

3554
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:43,520
Speaker 2: news cycle about mines in the Strait, let's claim, you know,

3555
03:18:43,760 --> 03:18:46,960
Speaker 2: right whatever. After it came out that around had in

3556
03:18:47,000 --> 03:18:50,280
Speaker 2: fact been laying mines, President Trump truthed, we want them

3557
03:18:50,280 --> 03:18:53,039
Speaker 2: removed immediately. If for any reason, minds were placed and

3558
03:18:53,080 --> 03:18:55,360
Speaker 2: they are not removed forthwith I've never heard them use

3559
03:18:55,400 --> 03:18:56,160
Speaker 2: fourthwith before.

3560
03:18:56,280 --> 03:18:58,039
Speaker 15: Yes, city won for him, Yeah, yea, yeah.

3561
03:18:58,080 --> 03:19:00,480
Speaker 2: The military consequences to Iran will be at a level

3562
03:19:00,520 --> 03:19:02,120
Speaker 2: never before seen. If, on the other hand, there were

3563
03:19:02,200 --> 03:19:03,760
Speaker 2: movement may have been placed, it will be a giant

3564
03:19:03,760 --> 03:19:07,160
Speaker 2: step in the right direction. That sounds kind of desperate,

3565
03:19:07,640 --> 03:19:10,320
Speaker 2: and it sounds kind of desperate because the United States

3566
03:19:10,400 --> 03:19:13,840
Speaker 2: is in a uniquely dog shit position to deal with

3567
03:19:14,120 --> 03:19:19,760
Speaker 2: c minds right specifically now, we made a really funny decision,

3568
03:19:19,800 --> 03:19:23,280
Speaker 2: and by we, I mean the Trump administration made a

3569
03:19:23,320 --> 03:19:30,359
Speaker 2: really funny decision basically immediately before we declared war on Iran,

3570
03:19:30,800 --> 03:19:33,680
Speaker 2: a country we've known has always threatened to mine the

3571
03:19:33,680 --> 03:19:35,720
Speaker 2: strait of horror moves every time we fucked with them,

3572
03:19:36,120 --> 03:19:39,800
Speaker 2: And that funny decision was in January, the Navy decommissioned

3573
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:44,000
Speaker 2: for Avengers class mine countermeasureships, which were the last mind

3574
03:19:44,080 --> 03:19:48,400
Speaker 2: countermeasureships we had in the Persian goal. Now we have

3575
03:19:48,480 --> 03:19:51,600
Speaker 2: other boats that were pretty sure can do the job,

3576
03:19:51,959 --> 03:19:56,360
Speaker 2: but we've never tried. And the funny thing about the

3577
03:19:56,400 --> 03:19:59,440
Speaker 2: boats that we're currently going to be using for to

3578
03:19:59,480 --> 03:20:02,000
Speaker 2: take out my mind is that they're pre existing boats

3579
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:04,600
Speaker 2: that were not built to take out mines. We basically

3580
03:20:04,640 --> 03:20:09,800
Speaker 2: have like they're called like operations packages that you add

3581
03:20:09,840 --> 03:20:13,160
Speaker 2: to the boat to add capability. One of the capabilities

3582
03:20:13,160 --> 03:20:15,440
Speaker 2: they have these little like basically drone torpedo things that

3583
03:20:15,480 --> 03:20:17,640
Speaker 2: can go out and seek out mines. They've got an

3584
03:20:17,720 --> 03:20:20,040
Speaker 2: enhanced like radar package I guess or whatever. They're better

3585
03:20:20,080 --> 03:20:23,199
Speaker 2: at looking for mines because the boats that they added

3586
03:20:23,200 --> 03:20:26,560
Speaker 2: these packages to were not initially meant for d mining.

3587
03:20:26,760 --> 03:20:31,400
Speaker 2: They're littoral combat ships. Lcs's widely considered to be the

3588
03:20:31,440 --> 03:20:34,080
Speaker 2: worst boats in the entire US Navy. In fact, in

3589
03:20:34,120 --> 03:20:38,119
Speaker 2: the Navy, the acronym LCS stands for little crappy ships

3590
03:20:38,360 --> 03:20:42,959
Speaker 2: because they're bad. They've been very bad. Basically every time

3591
03:20:43,040 --> 03:20:46,160
Speaker 2: we have like tested how will these things function and

3592
03:20:46,280 --> 03:20:49,879
Speaker 2: like a real fight, it's the answer has been like terribly.

3593
03:20:49,879 --> 03:20:53,480
Speaker 2: They're not good ships. They kind of suck ass. Now

3594
03:20:53,640 --> 03:20:57,039
Speaker 2: we'll see if the mind countermeasures that they put on

3595
03:20:57,320 --> 03:21:02,160
Speaker 2: these boats like make them superior to the old Avenger class. However,

3596
03:21:02,680 --> 03:21:05,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot of issues with the mind countermeasure packages

3597
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:07,600
Speaker 2: that they've they've been making for these and I want

3598
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:10,640
Speaker 2: to read a quote from an article published by famous

3599
03:21:10,760 --> 03:21:15,640
Speaker 2: leftist and thus untrustworthy news source, the US Naval Institute. Quote.

3600
03:21:15,680 --> 03:21:18,800
Speaker 2: Initially set for an initial operational capability in twenty fifteen,

3601
03:21:19,080 --> 03:21:22,000
Speaker 2: the MCM package went through a development process punctuated by

3602
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:24,760
Speaker 2: stops and program failures. For example, the first craft that

3603
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:26,880
Speaker 2: could tow the AQS twenty son are to hunt the

3604
03:21:26,879 --> 03:21:30,120
Speaker 2: bulk of minds suffered reliability problems and was scrapped. The

3605
03:21:30,160 --> 03:21:33,240
Speaker 2: service also canceled a plan for the IMAGE sixtys to

3606
03:21:33,240 --> 03:21:36,120
Speaker 2: toe the AQS twenty. After years of program changes, the

3607
03:21:36,120 --> 03:21:40,360
Speaker 2: packages coalesced around a few core main systems. So the

3608
03:21:40,400 --> 03:21:43,840
Speaker 2: development of these mcum mission packages has been troubled for

3609
03:21:43,879 --> 03:21:46,760
Speaker 2: a very long time, which is what delayed the retirement

3610
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:50,400
Speaker 2: of the Avenger class minehunters previously. And the Navy's now

3611
03:21:50,440 --> 03:21:52,760
Speaker 2: saying they totally work now and we're all going to

3612
03:21:52,840 --> 03:21:55,680
Speaker 2: find out in real time if they do. And the

3613
03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:57,959
Speaker 2: last funny thing I have to say is the four

3614
03:21:58,120 --> 03:22:01,320
Speaker 2: decommissioned to venture anti MIAs ships. Two of them at

3615
03:22:01,400 --> 03:22:04,200
Speaker 2: least have hilarious names. Two of them makes sense. One

3616
03:22:04,200 --> 03:22:07,120
Speaker 2: of them was the USS Century, perfectly reasonable name for

3617
03:22:07,400 --> 03:22:10,320
Speaker 2: a d mining ship. Okay. The other was the USS Dextrous.

3618
03:22:10,560 --> 03:22:13,000
Speaker 2: Kind of a weird name, but whatever. And then you

3619
03:22:13,040 --> 03:22:16,720
Speaker 2: have the USS Devastator and the USS Gladiator. What is

3620
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:21,240
Speaker 2: a mine shift devastates? It's for dem it's to stop

3621
03:22:21,360 --> 03:22:25,720
Speaker 2: things from getting devastated. Anyway, that's my report, Okay, good

3622
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:28,959
Speaker 2: to know, and let's pick up with Iran. I want

3623
03:22:29,000 --> 03:22:32,200
Speaker 2: to start by talking about, like the speculation regarding partner forces.

3624
03:22:32,240 --> 03:22:35,240
Speaker 2: I think some of it has been just like a

3625
03:22:35,280 --> 03:22:39,400
Speaker 2: little bit misinformed. Starways people have been talking about the

3626
03:22:39,400 --> 03:22:43,160
Speaker 2: Blochistan Liberation Army. They were only added to the United

3627
03:22:43,160 --> 03:22:47,240
Speaker 2: States FTO list last summer, which leads me to believe

3628
03:22:47,240 --> 03:22:50,240
Speaker 2: that the Trump administration is not positively.

3629
03:22:49,600 --> 03:22:52,240
Speaker 15: Disposed towards him. Right, if they've just put them on

3630
03:22:52,240 --> 03:22:54,879
Speaker 15: the FTO list in August of last year, one.

3631
03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:58,119
Speaker 2: Of the odds anyone in that administration knows where Blakistan is.

3632
03:22:58,520 --> 03:23:02,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, it happened shortly after they killed some some Pakistani

3633
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:05,200
Speaker 15: military personnel, So I'm guessing that, yeah, just got asked

3634
03:23:05,240 --> 03:23:06,920
Speaker 15: to do it. It was part of the negotiation.

3635
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:07,200
Speaker 29: Yeah.

3636
03:23:07,280 --> 03:23:10,120
Speaker 15: Yeah. It also seems very unlikely that Trump is now

3637
03:23:10,160 --> 03:23:14,960
Speaker 15: willing to back a Kurdish land incursion. Invasion wouldn't be

3638
03:23:14,959 --> 03:23:17,840
Speaker 15: the right word. If people going into Kurdistan, it's not invasion.

3639
03:23:18,480 --> 03:23:19,840
Speaker 15: I have a short video here.

3640
03:23:20,320 --> 03:23:21,520
Speaker 2: We're about kind.

3641
03:23:21,360 --> 03:23:22,480
Speaker 17: Of an autonomous region.

3642
03:23:22,560 --> 03:23:24,760
Speaker 4: Enough they did, it's Syriami, right, We're not happy.

3643
03:23:24,879 --> 03:23:26,680
Speaker 17: We're not looking to the courage going in.

3644
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:29,600
Speaker 2: We're very friendly with the courage, as you.

3645
03:23:29,640 --> 03:23:31,960
Speaker 29: Know, but we don't want to make the war any

3646
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:33,760
Speaker 29: more complex than it already is.

3647
03:23:33,879 --> 03:23:36,720
Speaker 4: Double we don't want. Yeah, I have wrote it down.

3648
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:38,120
Speaker 22: I don't want the curs going in.

3649
03:23:39,000 --> 03:23:42,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to see the Kurds get hurt, get killed.

3650
03:23:43,440 --> 03:23:45,200
Speaker 4: We've had a good relationship. They were want need to

3651
03:23:45,240 --> 03:23:47,680
Speaker 4: go in, but we really I've told them I don't

3652
03:23:47,720 --> 03:23:49,840
Speaker 4: want them to go in there.

3653
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:50,200
Speaker 20: You're wrong.

3654
03:23:50,480 --> 03:23:53,400
Speaker 17: I just think it's the worst complicated enough without.

3655
03:23:53,160 --> 03:23:56,959
Speaker 2: Having Yeah, sure you would want the war to get complicated. Yeah.

3656
03:23:57,240 --> 03:24:00,760
Speaker 15: Also the audio quality on Fox News, say absolute, the atrocious.

3657
03:24:01,080 --> 03:24:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard. That's plains sometimes.

3658
03:24:03,240 --> 03:24:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, they're in a difficult situation. Yeah.

3659
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:09,440
Speaker 15: So I've spoken to a couple of these Kurdish groups

3660
03:24:09,440 --> 03:24:12,280
Speaker 15: that people have been speculating about in the last couple

3661
03:24:12,320 --> 03:24:15,160
Speaker 15: of weeks. Here's part of a statement that I received

3662
03:24:15,160 --> 03:24:19,200
Speaker 15: from the PAK that's a Kurdistan Freedom party that refers

3663
03:24:19,240 --> 03:24:22,760
Speaker 15: to the US's vacillation on supporting them. Quote, the United

3664
03:24:22,800 --> 03:24:25,120
Speaker 15: States is working in the best possible way to mantle

3665
03:24:25,160 --> 03:24:28,560
Speaker 15: the Iranian regime and eliminate terrorism in the region. For

3666
03:24:28,600 --> 03:24:30,879
Speaker 15: over three decades, we have been fighting to expel the

3667
03:24:30,920 --> 03:24:35,040
Speaker 15: IIGC from Kurdistan and liberate our land. Therefore, we cannot

3668
03:24:35,080 --> 03:24:37,039
Speaker 15: and must not base our policies on the shifts in

3669
03:24:37,160 --> 03:24:40,560
Speaker 15: US rhetoric. America has its own plans regarding the overthrow

3670
03:24:40,600 --> 03:24:43,360
Speaker 15: and subsequent administration of Iran, and we have our plan

3671
03:24:43,480 --> 03:24:47,560
Speaker 15: for the liberation administration of Roger lad rojolatt referring to

3672
03:24:47,560 --> 03:24:48,560
Speaker 15: eastern Kurdistan.

3673
03:24:48,680 --> 03:24:48,880
Speaker 6: There.

3674
03:24:49,400 --> 03:24:49,959
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3675
03:24:50,400 --> 03:24:53,560
Speaker 15: Meanwhile, of course, for the last week, we've seen consistent

3676
03:24:53,640 --> 03:24:57,800
Speaker 15: bombing of Iran, including the targeting of oil and water infrastructure.

3677
03:24:58,440 --> 03:25:02,879
Speaker 15: Hengar is reporting horrible overcrowding and food shortages, as well

3678
03:25:02,879 --> 03:25:07,560
Speaker 15: as increased militarization of the Gazol Jesar prison, which holds

3679
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:11,640
Speaker 15: more than sixteen thousand people. As I highlighted last week,

3680
03:25:12,200 --> 03:25:15,120
Speaker 15: Iran was in a water crisis before this new campaign began.

3681
03:25:15,400 --> 03:25:18,400
Speaker 15: Hitting water infrastructure will only increase the odds of massive

3682
03:25:18,520 --> 03:25:22,320
Speaker 15: human suffering and death. This is especially true it seems

3683
03:25:22,360 --> 03:25:24,480
Speaker 15: that Trump is somewhat growing.

3684
03:25:24,280 --> 03:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Tired of the war with Iran.

3685
03:25:26,760 --> 03:25:28,760
Speaker 15: He said in a press conference this week it would

3686
03:25:28,760 --> 03:25:32,920
Speaker 15: be quote inappropriate to target the newly chosen Supreme Leader

3687
03:25:32,959 --> 03:25:36,640
Speaker 15: of Iran. In the same press conference, Trump also repeated

3688
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:40,680
Speaker 15: his claim that Iran was quote going to take over

3689
03:25:40,720 --> 03:25:44,680
Speaker 15: the Middle East and would have had quote a nuclear

3690
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,240
Speaker 15: weapon within a matter of weeks if it were not

3691
03:25:47,280 --> 03:25:51,280
Speaker 15: for last year's Operation Midnight Hammer. He also talked about

3692
03:25:51,280 --> 03:25:56,680
Speaker 15: an Iranian nuclear site quote protected by granite. Both Fordoh

3693
03:25:57,280 --> 03:26:01,200
Speaker 15: and Natans were struck last year and have underground elements.

3694
03:26:01,480 --> 03:26:05,879
Speaker 15: Four DOH is about eighty meters below ground. Yeah, and

3695
03:26:05,920 --> 03:26:08,800
Speaker 15: that was the site that required a US strike. Israel

3696
03:26:08,879 --> 03:26:12,039
Speaker 15: did not have the means to knock that one out.

3697
03:26:12,120 --> 03:26:15,280
Speaker 15: But to the best of my knowledge, FOURDOU is now

3698
03:26:15,320 --> 03:26:19,600
Speaker 15: out of commission following the strikes in Operation Midnight Hammer.

3699
03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:23,360
Speaker 15: Rehich happening in twenty twenty five. Perhaps he's referring to

3700
03:26:23,400 --> 03:26:28,560
Speaker 15: another subterranean site, or perhaps he's confusing this with earlier information. Evidently,

3701
03:26:28,600 --> 03:26:31,360
Speaker 15: you can't just destroy uranium, right, Like, if there is

3702
03:26:31,400 --> 03:26:34,240
Speaker 15: a rich nuclear material, then then that is still there.

3703
03:26:34,600 --> 03:26:36,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we talked about this the last time. But like,

3704
03:26:37,240 --> 03:26:39,840
Speaker 2: the thing that's time consuming is enriching the uranium. And

3705
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:43,000
Speaker 2: there's there's no evidence that any of this has reduced

3706
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:44,680
Speaker 2: the amount that Aron has access to.

3707
03:26:44,959 --> 03:26:49,640
Speaker 15: Yes, exactly, And according to Senator Chris Murphy, it doesn't

3708
03:26:49,640 --> 03:26:52,520
Speaker 15: seem like that is particularly the target at this campaign.

3709
03:26:53,080 --> 03:26:55,680
Speaker 15: He said most of the targets are conventional weapons facilities

3710
03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:59,680
Speaker 15: like drones and missile facilities. The Iranian Navy is Robert mentioned,

3711
03:27:01,080 --> 03:27:04,440
Speaker 15: it does not seem like they're particularly interested in regime change,

3712
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:07,760
Speaker 15: and as Robert mentioned, the IIGC is still able to

3713
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:12,480
Speaker 15: use many of its small civilian vessels fast attack vessels

3714
03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:15,160
Speaker 15: and drones. I spoke to quite a few people who

3715
03:27:15,160 --> 03:27:19,240
Speaker 15: are in this sort of shipping security world, and one

3716
03:27:19,240 --> 03:27:22,640
Speaker 15: of their concerns is, like, when they say fast attack vessels,

3717
03:27:22,680 --> 03:27:25,680
Speaker 15: they're talking about very small boats with mounted machine guns, right,

3718
03:27:26,080 --> 03:27:31,279
Speaker 15: operating in large groups and swarming tankers or other ships

3719
03:27:31,320 --> 03:27:33,560
Speaker 15: going through the straight ofform moods, which would be quite

3720
03:27:33,600 --> 03:27:38,240
Speaker 15: challenging to defend ships from, especially of their like large

3721
03:27:38,280 --> 03:27:41,480
Speaker 15: civilian ships, right. I know some people have been speculating

3722
03:27:41,520 --> 03:27:46,080
Speaker 15: about the CM three to ZHO two missiles that around

3723
03:27:46,160 --> 03:27:50,080
Speaker 15: ordered from China. Those are like quote unquote carrier killer missiles.

3724
03:27:50,640 --> 03:27:53,360
Speaker 15: I don't believe they have those yet, though they do

3725
03:27:53,440 --> 03:27:55,240
Speaker 15: will probably find out soon enough.

3726
03:27:55,360 --> 03:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah boy, that would be a big day.

3727
03:27:58,040 --> 03:28:01,320
Speaker 15: Yeah boy, yeah, yeah, that would These things will get

3728
03:28:01,360 --> 03:28:02,680
Speaker 15: quite bad if if that happened.

3729
03:28:02,760 --> 03:28:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. I honestly like that might be for

3730
03:28:07,760 --> 03:28:11,879
Speaker 2: this administration. A tactical nuclear scenario like that, it would

3731
03:28:11,879 --> 03:28:14,800
Speaker 2: be an unprecedented loss. They'd have to do something insane

3732
03:28:14,800 --> 03:28:15,480
Speaker 2: to save face.

3733
03:28:16,080 --> 03:28:20,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, I assume US carriers have means of defense, are

3734
03:28:20,080 --> 03:28:20,600
Speaker 15: supposed to.

3735
03:28:21,200 --> 03:28:24,400
Speaker 2: They're very hard to kill. Yes, Yeah, that's.

3736
03:28:24,280 --> 03:28:26,520
Speaker 15: A particular like matchup that no one has seen yet

3737
03:28:26,560 --> 03:28:29,000
Speaker 15: because no one has been wild enough to try it.

3738
03:28:29,280 --> 03:28:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3739
03:28:29,760 --> 03:28:34,400
Speaker 2: They say these are carrier killers. They're theoretically carrier yet

3740
03:28:34,480 --> 03:28:37,920
Speaker 2: of the defensive systems on carriers as regards missiles like

3741
03:28:37,959 --> 03:28:40,400
Speaker 2: that are theoretical too, because it hasn't happened.

3742
03:28:40,640 --> 03:28:43,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's not many people have aircraft carriers, and the

3743
03:28:43,160 --> 03:28:44,600
Speaker 15: people who do, you don't want to piss off.

3744
03:28:44,680 --> 03:28:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3745
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:48,760
Speaker 15: Finally, I guess I want to talk about the Senator

3746
03:28:48,760 --> 03:28:54,680
Speaker 15: Blumenthal who raised the alarm in a congressional briefing this week.

3747
03:28:55,040 --> 03:28:55,879
Speaker 15: He's a clip.

3748
03:28:56,760 --> 03:29:03,199
Speaker 22: I emerged from this briefing as dissatisfied and angry, frankly,

3749
03:29:04,080 --> 03:29:10,360
Speaker 22: as I have from any past briefing in my fifteen

3750
03:29:10,440 --> 03:29:15,840
Speaker 22: years in the Senate. I am left with more questions

3751
03:29:15,920 --> 03:29:23,200
Speaker 22: than answers, especially about the cost of the war. My

3752
03:29:23,360 --> 03:29:30,640
Speaker 22: questions have been unanswered, and I will demand answers because

3753
03:29:30,680 --> 03:29:36,000
Speaker 22: the American people deserve to know. And I guess I

3754
03:29:36,040 --> 03:29:42,959
Speaker 22: am most concerned about the threat to American lives of

3755
03:29:43,080 --> 03:29:48,240
Speaker 22: potentially deploying our sons and daughters on the ground in Iran.

3756
03:29:48,840 --> 03:29:53,240
Speaker 22: We seem to be on a path toward deploying American

3757
03:29:53,320 --> 03:29:58,320
Speaker 22: troops on the ground in Iran to accomplish any of

3758
03:29:58,360 --> 03:30:07,199
Speaker 22: the potential objectives here and there is also, as disturbingly

3759
03:30:07,280 --> 03:30:12,920
Speaker 22: as anything else, the specter of active Russian age to

3760
03:30:13,160 --> 03:30:17,800
Speaker 22: Iran putting in danger American lives.

3761
03:30:18,120 --> 03:30:20,480
Speaker 15: The last part references reporting that came first from the

3762
03:30:20,520 --> 03:30:25,000
Speaker 15: Washington Post. Russia is providing targeting info to Iran, chiefly

3763
03:30:25,080 --> 03:30:29,120
Speaker 15: using its advanced satellite imaging capacity, to quote from the

3764
03:30:29,120 --> 03:30:32,000
Speaker 15: Peace Quote. Since the war began on Saturday, Russia has

3765
03:30:32,040 --> 03:30:34,720
Speaker 15: passed it around the locations of US military assets, including

3766
03:30:34,760 --> 03:30:38,360
Speaker 15: warships and aircraft. This might explain how Iran has been

3767
03:30:38,400 --> 03:30:42,200
Speaker 15: able to hit some soft targets like the temporary structure

3768
03:30:42,240 --> 03:30:45,000
Speaker 15: in q Weight, where at least six people were killed.

3769
03:30:45,080 --> 03:30:48,400
Speaker 15: We've now learned that many more people were seriously injured,

3770
03:30:49,080 --> 03:30:51,800
Speaker 15: as well as hitting some over their horizon radar systems

3771
03:30:51,800 --> 03:30:55,240
Speaker 15: that we spoke about last week. Finally, the US is

3772
03:30:55,320 --> 03:31:01,039
Speaker 15: carrying out operations against hashtaal Shabby popular mobilization forces in

3773
03:31:01,080 --> 03:31:04,160
Speaker 15: a rack. This is getting a lot less reporting, but

3774
03:31:04,240 --> 03:31:06,279
Speaker 15: it seems like if there are boots on the ground

3775
03:31:06,360 --> 03:31:09,680
Speaker 15: anywhere right now, this would be where they would be right.

3776
03:31:09,879 --> 03:31:13,240
Speaker 15: They're using things like apaches in a tens, They're not

3777
03:31:13,480 --> 03:31:17,640
Speaker 15: using standoff munitions delivered from a great distance, and so

3778
03:31:18,400 --> 03:31:22,440
Speaker 15: anything that is likely to result in either needing people

3779
03:31:22,480 --> 03:31:25,520
Speaker 15: to support targets or needing people to rescue a pilot

3780
03:31:25,520 --> 03:31:29,560
Speaker 15: of a playing or a helicopter gets shut down, would

3781
03:31:29,640 --> 03:31:31,640
Speaker 15: more likely at this point be there.

3782
03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:34,360
Speaker 2: In it rack. That's about all I have.

3783
03:31:35,120 --> 03:31:37,400
Speaker 3: We'll go on one more ad break and return with

3784
03:31:37,440 --> 03:31:39,480
Speaker 3: a special segment from Ema Wong.

3785
03:31:50,800 --> 03:31:52,039
Speaker 2: So we need to intro the music.

3786
03:31:52,600 --> 03:32:01,640
Speaker 4: If you want to play the music, you can rocket jazzbot,

3787
03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:12,640
Speaker 4: sorry locking rocket jazz rocking jazz Bot. Onto the economy,

3788
03:32:12,800 --> 03:32:14,840
Speaker 4: we have been seeing over the past week what I

3789
03:32:14,879 --> 03:32:18,560
Speaker 4: would effectively describe as a will they won't they? With

3790
03:32:18,800 --> 03:32:22,240
Speaker 4: are the stock markets going to collapse? Where markets have

3791
03:32:23,200 --> 03:32:29,279
Speaker 4: imploded and then immediately rebounded, basically in line with Trump

3792
03:32:29,720 --> 03:32:31,840
Speaker 4: saying that the war is going to be over very soon.

3793
03:32:32,440 --> 03:32:34,400
Speaker 4: This was the sort of state of things on Monday.

3794
03:32:34,840 --> 03:32:37,280
Speaker 4: You know, there had been massive collapses in the Asian

3795
03:32:37,320 --> 03:32:41,440
Speaker 4: market from rising oil prices, and then Trump said that quote,

3796
03:32:41,560 --> 03:32:44,280
Speaker 4: the war is very complete, pretty much in a phone

3797
03:32:44,320 --> 03:32:47,560
Speaker 4: interview with the journalist from NBC, and this caused a

3798
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:51,280
Speaker 4: resurrection of the markets. Now, this is completely disconnected from

3799
03:32:51,320 --> 03:32:54,160
Speaker 4: the actual reality of the war and functioned entirely to

3800
03:32:54,320 --> 03:32:58,120
Speaker 4: again just calling these markets on Tuesday, So that was Monday.

3801
03:32:58,240 --> 03:33:03,199
Speaker 4: On Tuesday, Trump speech quote, We've already won in many ways,

3802
03:33:03,280 --> 03:33:06,720
Speaker 4: but we haven't won enough. We go forward more determined

3803
03:33:06,760 --> 03:33:09,560
Speaker 4: than ever to achieve ultimate victory that will end this

3804
03:33:09,720 --> 03:33:15,520
Speaker 4: long running danger once and for all. Which, Okay, that's gibberish. Now,

3805
03:33:15,760 --> 03:33:18,640
Speaker 4: Trump has specifically begun to address the fact that again

3806
03:33:18,720 --> 03:33:20,880
Speaker 4: you can't move oil tankers through the straighter four moves

3807
03:33:20,879 --> 03:33:23,200
Speaker 4: because Iran is going to just carry out strikes on them,

3808
03:33:23,680 --> 03:33:27,320
Speaker 4: and he said, quote, We're also focused on keeping energy

3809
03:33:27,360 --> 03:33:29,280
Speaker 4: and oil flows to the world, and I will not

3810
03:33:29,360 --> 03:33:32,440
Speaker 4: allow a terrorist regime to hold the world hostage and

3811
03:33:32,520 --> 03:33:35,760
Speaker 4: attempt to stop the globe's oil supply. And if Iran

3812
03:33:35,920 --> 03:33:38,560
Speaker 4: does anything to do that, they'll get hit at a

3813
03:33:38,760 --> 03:33:42,480
Speaker 4: much much harder level. I will take out those targets

3814
03:33:42,520 --> 03:33:46,440
Speaker 4: that were easy and that I mentioned before, We'll take

3815
03:33:46,480 --> 03:33:49,360
Speaker 4: them out. So quickly, they'll never be able to recover. Ever,

3816
03:33:49,480 --> 03:33:51,200
Speaker 4: if they want to play that game, they better not

3817
03:33:51,320 --> 03:33:54,240
Speaker 4: play that game. In the long run, oil supplies will

3818
03:33:54,280 --> 03:33:58,480
Speaker 4: be dramatically more secure without the threat of Iranian ships, drones, missiles,

3819
03:33:58,560 --> 03:34:02,160
Speaker 4: nuclear menace, or anything. So what he's saying here is

3820
03:34:02,240 --> 03:34:06,440
Speaker 4: that if Iran keeps the straight closed, he's going to

3821
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:11,080
Speaker 4: destroy them. But A, he's already in a war with them,

3822
03:34:11,520 --> 03:34:13,840
Speaker 4: and B this just means it as long as it wrong,

3823
03:34:13,920 --> 03:34:18,160
Speaker 4: keeps it straight closed, then the war keeps going, which

3824
03:34:18,240 --> 03:34:21,640
Speaker 4: keeps a straight closed longer, which keeps the war going.

3825
03:34:21,959 --> 03:34:26,480
Speaker 4: So this is great. Trumps also directly asked by a

3826
03:34:26,560 --> 03:34:28,760
Speaker 4: reporter about whether the war is going to keep going.

3827
03:34:29,280 --> 03:34:31,600
Speaker 4: Quote thank you, thank you, mister president. You said the

3828
03:34:31,720 --> 03:34:34,840
Speaker 4: war is quote very complete. But your Defense secretary says,

3829
03:34:34,920 --> 03:34:37,360
Speaker 4: this is just the beginning. So which is it? And

3830
03:34:37,520 --> 03:34:39,800
Speaker 4: how long should Americans be prepared for this war to

3831
03:34:39,920 --> 03:34:44,880
Speaker 4: last for? And he immediately starts going into metaphysics. Quote well,

3832
03:34:45,000 --> 03:34:47,080
Speaker 4: I think you could say both the beginning. It's the

3833
03:34:47,120 --> 03:34:50,520
Speaker 4: beginning of building a new country. And then he eventually says,

3834
03:34:51,200 --> 03:34:53,080
Speaker 4: so you know, you could look at that statement. We

3835
03:34:53,480 --> 03:34:55,680
Speaker 4: could call it a tremendous success. Right now, as we

3836
03:34:55,800 --> 03:34:57,600
Speaker 4: leave here, I could call it, or we could go further,

3837
03:34:57,680 --> 03:34:59,880
Speaker 4: and we're going further. But the big risks on that

3838
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:02,480
Speaker 4: war have been over for three days. We wipe them

3839
03:35:02,520 --> 03:35:05,279
Speaker 4: out in the first two days. So that says nothing

3840
03:35:05,760 --> 03:35:08,120
Speaker 4: other than probably the war is going to keep going.

3841
03:35:08,200 --> 03:35:08,320
Speaker 20: Now.

3842
03:35:08,400 --> 03:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Trump has been claiming there will be navy escorts through

3843
03:35:11,480 --> 03:35:14,359
Speaker 4: this trade of four moves. This is an absolute unhinged

3844
03:35:14,440 --> 03:35:16,960
Speaker 4: lide that Trump came up with to calm oil prices.

3845
03:35:17,320 --> 03:35:20,160
Speaker 4: And on Wednesday we had reporting from Reuters that obviously

3846
03:35:20,360 --> 03:35:24,320
Speaker 4: know the Navy has been turning down requests for escort.

3847
03:35:25,000 --> 03:35:26,520
Speaker 4: I'm going going to read a quote from that Raiders

3848
03:35:26,600 --> 03:35:30,320
Speaker 4: piece quote the US Navy has refused near daily requests

3849
03:35:30,320 --> 03:35:33,039
Speaker 4: from the shipping industry for military escorts through this trade

3850
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:35,680
Speaker 4: of from mows since the start of the war on Iran,

3851
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:38,120
Speaker 4: saying the risk of attacks is too high for now,

3852
03:35:38,200 --> 03:35:41,680
Speaker 4: according to sources familiar with the matter, which yeah, no shit,

3853
03:35:41,800 --> 03:35:45,040
Speaker 4: of course isn't happening. There's no way for it to happen.

3854
03:35:45,160 --> 03:35:48,400
Speaker 4: Have you seen an oil tinker. The largest of these

3855
03:35:48,440 --> 03:35:51,920
Speaker 4: things is two fifths of a kilometer long, right, and

3856
03:35:52,040 --> 03:35:54,440
Speaker 4: some of them are you know, half that size, so

3857
03:35:54,520 --> 03:35:58,080
Speaker 4: they are like one fifth of a kilometer long, but

3858
03:35:58,640 --> 03:36:01,160
Speaker 4: you can't escort that through straight is and I kind

3859
03:36:01,160 --> 03:36:03,560
Speaker 4: of emphasize this enough twenty three miles wide at its

3860
03:36:03,640 --> 03:36:04,320
Speaker 4: narrowest point.

3861
03:36:04,600 --> 03:36:04,720
Speaker 17: Now.

3862
03:36:04,840 --> 03:36:08,640
Speaker 4: Iran has also started mining the Straits to some extents.

3863
03:36:08,760 --> 03:36:11,560
Speaker 4: On Wednesday, Trump claimed the Navy had destroyed Iron's mining

3864
03:36:11,560 --> 03:36:14,720
Speaker 4: ships and the Strait was safe across. Iran immediately proved

3865
03:36:14,760 --> 03:36:17,360
Speaker 4: this to be a lie by hitting a whole bunch

3866
03:36:17,400 --> 03:36:20,160
Speaker 4: of oil tankers in various places around the Golf. And

3867
03:36:20,320 --> 03:36:22,880
Speaker 4: this is one of the substantive issues with trying to

3868
03:36:22,920 --> 03:36:26,800
Speaker 4: get one fifth of the world's oil supply through this Golf.

3869
03:36:26,879 --> 03:36:28,880
Speaker 4: On top of and also and again like this is

3870
03:36:28,879 --> 03:36:31,000
Speaker 4: being reported a little bit less, but we talked about

3871
03:36:31,040 --> 03:36:33,840
Speaker 4: this in my episode earlier in the week. It's not

3872
03:36:34,080 --> 03:36:38,400
Speaker 4: just oil, it's things like critical chemical components for fertilizer

3873
03:36:38,720 --> 03:36:42,080
Speaker 4: that comes through here. It's natural gas. It's also helium,

3874
03:36:42,240 --> 03:36:44,960
Speaker 4: which is a very very critical element for a whole

3875
03:36:45,000 --> 03:36:47,240
Speaker 4: bunch of heavy industry that is actually very scarce, and

3876
03:36:47,280 --> 03:36:49,080
Speaker 4: a huge amount of the world's helium supply has to

3877
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:52,800
Speaker 4: travel through the Gulf. And there are so many kinds

3878
03:36:52,840 --> 03:36:55,800
Speaker 4: of munitions besides mines that iron cans use to hit

3879
03:36:55,879 --> 03:36:58,200
Speaker 4: boats from rockets and missiles to drones, just shooting at

3880
03:36:58,240 --> 03:37:00,600
Speaker 4: them with the guns on boats. That thing if apparently

3881
03:37:00,640 --> 03:37:03,480
Speaker 4: done now now. Trump also said that he was waving

3882
03:37:03,600 --> 03:37:07,800
Speaker 4: oil related sanctions on certain countries to reduce prices. It's

3883
03:37:07,840 --> 03:37:11,760
Speaker 4: not clear what this means. It's probably Russia. Reuters has

3884
03:37:11,800 --> 03:37:14,960
Speaker 4: claimed that it's about the US temporary allowing India to

3885
03:37:15,040 --> 03:37:18,360
Speaker 4: purchase Russian oil that's been like stranded at See, it's

3886
03:37:18,600 --> 03:37:22,000
Speaker 4: very unclear what's going on there. On Thursday, we got

3887
03:37:23,440 --> 03:37:25,800
Speaker 4: we got a bunch of claims from the administration that

3888
03:37:26,120 --> 03:37:29,280
Speaker 4: escorting tankers through the Strait was their planned the whole time,

3889
03:37:29,440 --> 03:37:32,120
Speaker 4: which no, it wasn't. This is just going to continue

3890
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:35,560
Speaker 4: to be an absolute nightmare because if Trump can't figure

3891
03:37:35,560 --> 03:37:38,520
Speaker 4: out a way to get oil through there, he's either

3892
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:40,400
Speaker 4: going to have to end the war or the world

3893
03:37:40,440 --> 03:37:43,280
Speaker 4: economy is going to just implode. Yeah, we'll be tracking

3894
03:37:43,360 --> 03:37:48,119
Speaker 4: that situation. There's also another crisis that has begun to brew,

3895
03:37:48,600 --> 03:37:51,360
Speaker 4: which is the crisis in the so called private credit market,

3896
03:37:51,720 --> 03:37:53,680
Speaker 4: which is this is stuff that used to be called

3897
03:37:53,720 --> 03:37:56,680
Speaker 4: shadow banking. I'm going to go into more detail on

3898
03:37:56,920 --> 03:38:00,320
Speaker 4: this later as it becomes more and more a sort

3899
03:38:00,320 --> 03:38:03,720
Speaker 4: of relevant. But private credit slash shadow banking is a

3900
03:38:04,959 --> 03:38:08,840
Speaker 4: series of things that are like a bank, but they're

3901
03:38:08,879 --> 03:38:13,760
Speaker 4: not regulated, So we are talking about trillions of dollars

3902
03:38:13,800 --> 03:38:16,920
Speaker 4: of assets. There has been a huge run basically on

3903
03:38:17,040 --> 03:38:20,520
Speaker 4: the shadow banks, to the point where several very large

3904
03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:24,320
Speaker 4: banks have paused the ability to take money out of them.

3905
03:38:25,200 --> 03:38:27,680
Speaker 4: Now it's difficult to report on this because we don't

3906
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:31,680
Speaker 4: actually know anything about how many people are pulling their

3907
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:33,440
Speaker 4: money out or what the effect on this is because

3908
03:38:33,440 --> 03:38:36,800
Speaker 4: there are no reporting requirements because eise are shadow banks,

3909
03:38:37,040 --> 03:38:38,520
Speaker 4: and the whole point about them is that they're not

3910
03:38:38,640 --> 03:38:41,160
Speaker 4: subject to the regular regulations that regular banking will be

3911
03:38:41,200 --> 03:38:45,920
Speaker 4: subject to. So that's another looming economic crisis that we're

3912
03:38:45,959 --> 03:38:47,520
Speaker 4: all sort of just going to have to deal with,

3913
03:38:48,120 --> 03:38:50,040
Speaker 4: on top of Trump attempting to sort of destroy the

3914
03:38:50,080 --> 03:38:55,920
Speaker 4: economy with this war and Iran. And finally, I want

3915
03:38:56,000 --> 03:38:58,200
Speaker 4: to close by talking about a very good piece and

3916
03:38:58,320 --> 03:39:01,400
Speaker 4: crime thing called history is Repeating Itself, a Lebanese perspective

3917
03:39:01,400 --> 03:39:04,960
Speaker 4: on the war in palestein Lebanon and Iran. That is

3918
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:08,080
Speaker 4: an interview with friend of the show Iliau talking about

3919
03:39:08,760 --> 03:39:11,440
Speaker 4: a part of this war that hasn't basically ignored in

3920
03:39:11,520 --> 03:39:15,640
Speaker 4: the media, which is to quote Ilia. Israel has ordered

3921
03:39:15,640 --> 03:39:19,640
Speaker 4: the forced evacuation, effectively the ethnic cleansing of the entirety

3922
03:39:19,680 --> 03:39:23,600
Speaker 4: of southern Lebanon, the Hey and parts of Becca. This

3923
03:39:23,680 --> 03:39:27,480
Speaker 4: has been a horrifying campaign that has involved Israel bombing

3924
03:39:27,560 --> 03:39:30,680
Speaker 4: major Lebanese cities, including repeated bombings of Beirut, as well

3925
03:39:30,680 --> 03:39:35,119
Speaker 4: as a systematic destruction of Lebanese villages by Israeli army

3926
03:39:35,280 --> 03:39:38,840
Speaker 4: in the areas they've occupied in the south. The Israeli

3927
03:39:38,920 --> 03:39:42,160
Speaker 4: invasion has killed six hundred people in Lebanon so far,

3928
03:39:42,200 --> 03:39:43,959
Speaker 4: and that number will be higher by the time we're

3929
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:47,320
Speaker 4: listening to this. This campaign does not seem to have

3930
03:39:47,360 --> 03:39:51,160
Speaker 4: an endpoint and is continuing as the American and an

3931
03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:56,520
Speaker 4: Israeli war in Iran also continues to grind on. Yeah,

3932
03:39:56,560 --> 03:39:59,840
Speaker 4: put a transgoal on your couch, Thank you, Mia.

3933
03:40:00,640 --> 03:40:03,520
Speaker 3: I have a few more news stories before we close

3934
03:40:03,520 --> 03:40:06,520
Speaker 3: out this episode. Trump has delayed his endorsement in the

3935
03:40:06,680 --> 03:40:09,760
Speaker 3: Republican Texas primary to build pressure on the Senate to

3936
03:40:09,879 --> 03:40:13,560
Speaker 3: pass the Save Act, the Voting Restriction Act to gain

3937
03:40:13,600 --> 03:40:17,400
Speaker 3: favor with the President. Ken Paxton has announced he'd back

3938
03:40:17,480 --> 03:40:20,320
Speaker 3: out of the race if this Senate passes the Save Act,

3939
03:40:20,640 --> 03:40:24,520
Speaker 3: which Trump later called his number one priority. Paxton knows

3940
03:40:24,560 --> 03:40:26,560
Speaker 3: that the passing of the Act is very unlikely, but

3941
03:40:26,680 --> 03:40:30,160
Speaker 3: by signaling support for the President's number one priority, he's

3942
03:40:30,200 --> 03:40:33,160
Speaker 3: hoping to gain favor and maybe even steal the endorsement

3943
03:40:33,200 --> 03:40:36,840
Speaker 3: away from Cornyn or convinced Trump not to give an endorsement,

3944
03:40:37,200 --> 03:40:39,440
Speaker 3: which would help him in the runoff election.

3945
03:40:39,920 --> 03:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

3946
03:40:40,560 --> 03:40:44,320
Speaker 3: Politico has reported that Trump was quote irritated when news

3947
03:40:44,440 --> 03:40:48,720
Speaker 3: articles from axiosen The Atlantic published Wednesday declaring that Trump

3948
03:40:48,879 --> 03:40:52,200
Speaker 3: was quote unquote expected to endorse Cornyn. According to a

3949
03:40:52,240 --> 03:40:55,320
Speaker 3: Republican operative, Trump and others in his orbit hate when

3950
03:40:55,400 --> 03:40:59,320
Speaker 3: stories get out ahead of official announcements. Unquote. I sympathize

3951
03:40:59,360 --> 03:41:02,320
Speaker 3: with the president here. I am also often irritated by

3952
03:41:02,400 --> 03:41:04,280
Speaker 3: news articles from Axios and The Atlantic.

3953
03:41:07,640 --> 03:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, an't we all? Let's see.

3954
03:41:11,440 --> 03:41:13,520
Speaker 15: I think it bring us together as a country, right.

3955
03:41:13,800 --> 03:41:15,400
Speaker 4: It will be interesting to see what Trump does here.

3956
03:41:15,400 --> 03:41:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean.

3957
03:41:15,640 --> 03:41:18,879
Speaker 3: Trump is previously called Cornyn like a rhino, and Paxton

3958
03:41:18,959 --> 03:41:22,480
Speaker 3: is way more popular with the megabase despite having more

3959
03:41:22,600 --> 03:41:29,000
Speaker 3: electoral liabilities. For the general election day on March fifth,

3960
03:41:29,800 --> 03:41:34,040
Speaker 3: seven of the biggest tech companies signed President Trump's rate

3961
03:41:34,320 --> 03:41:38,520
Speaker 3: Payer Protection Pledge, empowering the private sector to build their

3962
03:41:38,560 --> 03:41:42,760
Speaker 3: own power infrastructure like power plans, microgrids, and substations, while

3963
03:41:42,879 --> 03:41:47,160
Speaker 3: also agreeing to quote bring or buy new generation resources

3964
03:41:47,280 --> 03:41:50,760
Speaker 3: and cover the cost of all power delivery infrastructure upgrades

3965
03:41:51,000 --> 03:41:54,360
Speaker 3: required for their data centers, ensuring such expenses are not

3966
03:41:54,480 --> 03:41:57,600
Speaker 3: passed to American households unquote. And that is per the

3967
03:41:57,760 --> 03:42:01,800
Speaker 3: White House. So this expounds on the rate player Protection

3968
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:04,840
Speaker 3: Pledge that Trump announced during his State of the Unit address.

3969
03:42:04,840 --> 03:42:07,560
Speaker 3: We have a little bit more details now. The pledge

3970
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:12,840
Speaker 3: has been signed by Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Open Ai, Oracle,

3971
03:42:13,040 --> 03:42:18,959
Speaker 3: and Xai. These companies will quote unquote voluntarily negotiate new

3972
03:42:19,320 --> 03:42:23,800
Speaker 3: separate rate structures with utilities and state governments wherever they

3973
03:42:23,879 --> 03:42:27,120
Speaker 3: build new data centers, and will quote commit to pay

3974
03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:30,920
Speaker 3: these rates for the power and related infrastructure brought online

3975
03:42:31,000 --> 03:42:34,240
Speaker 3: to service their data centers, whether they use the electricity

3976
03:42:34,440 --> 03:42:38,160
Speaker 3: or not, unquote, to prevent blackouts and power shortages. The

3977
03:42:38,320 --> 03:42:42,040
Speaker 3: pledge also promises that AI companies and hyperscalers will also

3978
03:42:42,200 --> 03:42:46,760
Speaker 3: quote coordinate with grid operators to make backup generation resources

3979
03:42:46,760 --> 03:42:49,720
Speaker 3: available at times of emergency, contributing to a more reliable

3980
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:54,080
Speaker 3: grid unquote. This pledge is not legally binding, but like

3981
03:42:54,160 --> 03:42:56,840
Speaker 3: I said, it will empower the private sector to develop

3982
03:42:57,320 --> 03:42:58,560
Speaker 3: power plant infrastructure.

3983
03:42:59,360 --> 03:42:59,640
Speaker 5: Great.

3984
03:43:01,560 --> 03:43:06,560
Speaker 3: Last Saturday, March seventh, white supremacist Jake Lang organized a

3985
03:43:06,680 --> 03:43:09,800
Speaker 3: protest outside of the New York City Mayor's residence, Gracie

3986
03:43:09,879 --> 03:43:13,920
Speaker 3: Manson dubbed stop the Islamic takeover of New York City.

3987
03:43:14,320 --> 03:43:18,200
Speaker 3: Stop new York City public Muslim prayer unquote.

3988
03:43:18,560 --> 03:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Incredibly frustrating guy. Yeah, I know that's his goal, but

3989
03:43:21,560 --> 03:43:26,040
Speaker 2: like very frustrating. Well, he's high off the fact that

3990
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:28,640
Speaker 2: he was able to ignite a news cycle by lying

3991
03:43:28,720 --> 03:43:29,520
Speaker 2: about jet.

3992
03:43:29,400 --> 03:43:33,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, after getting chased out of Minneapolis by people with

3993
03:43:33,640 --> 03:43:35,720
Speaker 15: water pistols and rescue by aunt lady.

3994
03:43:35,920 --> 03:43:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3995
03:43:37,000 --> 03:43:37,160
Speaker 17: Now.

3996
03:43:37,280 --> 03:43:42,080
Speaker 3: During this protest on Saturday, two teenagers who traveled from Pennsylvania,

3997
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:47,760
Speaker 3: a Mere Blat and Ibrahim Kyumi, allegedly attempted to detonate

3998
03:43:47,879 --> 03:43:53,160
Speaker 3: two improvised explicit devices amongst the protesters, and after being apprehended,

3999
03:43:53,440 --> 03:43:57,640
Speaker 3: both suspects stated allegiance with ISIS. According to US Attorney

4000
03:43:57,640 --> 03:44:00,600
Speaker 3: for the Southern District of New York, J. Clayton, the

4001
03:44:00,959 --> 03:44:04,400
Speaker 3: homemade explosive devices were Mason jar sized and packed with

4002
03:44:04,520 --> 03:44:09,640
Speaker 3: metal shrapnel and contained the high explosive tatp oh Wow.

4003
03:44:10,040 --> 03:44:13,439
Speaker 3: One ied was ignited and thrown towards the group of protesters.

4004
03:44:13,800 --> 03:44:17,800
Speaker 3: Another was dropped in front of several NYPD officers, but

4005
03:44:18,040 --> 03:44:19,920
Speaker 3: neither device successfully detonated.

4006
03:44:20,600 --> 03:44:23,680
Speaker 2: It is hard to make bombs. That is why very

4007
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:26,959
Speaker 2: few domestic terrorists in the US go the bomb route.

4008
03:44:27,720 --> 03:44:27,920
Speaker 14: Yeah.

4009
03:44:28,840 --> 03:44:32,280
Speaker 3: Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche claimed that the bombers quote

4010
03:44:32,480 --> 03:44:36,640
Speaker 3: allegedly sought to inflict mass casualties in service to ISIS

4011
03:44:36,680 --> 03:44:39,080
Speaker 3: with the hope of exceeding the carnage of the Boston

4012
03:44:39,160 --> 03:44:42,760
Speaker 3: marathon bombing unquote. Bilot was asked if he wanted to

4013
03:44:42,840 --> 03:44:47,040
Speaker 3: accomplish something akin to the Boston bombing during interrogation, to

4014
03:44:47,200 --> 03:44:51,199
Speaker 3: which he allegedly replied, no, even bigger. It was only

4015
03:44:51,320 --> 03:44:55,920
Speaker 3: three deaths unquote. During interrogation, Caumi stated that he had

4016
03:44:55,959 --> 03:45:00,000
Speaker 3: watched ISIS propaganda videos on his phone. The Criminal Complaints

4017
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:03,920
Speaker 3: says that en route to the NYPD precinct, Bilot told officers, quote,

4018
03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:06,600
Speaker 3: this isn't a religion that just stands when people talk

4019
03:45:06,920 --> 03:45:08,840
Speaker 3: about the blessed name of the prophet.

4020
03:45:09,240 --> 03:45:10,039
Speaker 4: We take action.

4021
03:45:10,240 --> 03:45:12,160
Speaker 3: If I didn't do it, someone else will come and

4022
03:45:12,240 --> 03:45:15,240
Speaker 3: do it unquote, and he later pledged allegiance to the

4023
03:45:15,360 --> 03:45:18,600
Speaker 3: Islamic state in writing along with the phrase die in

4024
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:19,320
Speaker 3: your rage.

4025
03:45:20,720 --> 03:45:22,360
Speaker 2: The only thing weird about it is that there's not

4026
03:45:22,440 --> 03:45:24,560
Speaker 2: a whole lot of that going on right now. But

4027
03:45:25,520 --> 03:45:27,240
Speaker 2: this is very similar to the people who are carring

4028
03:45:27,240 --> 03:45:29,720
Speaker 2: about sympathetic eyes as attacks, you know, during the height

4029
03:45:29,920 --> 03:45:34,360
Speaker 2: of military action and Mosul same death. Yeah, gies.

4030
03:45:35,000 --> 03:45:39,080
Speaker 15: The timing is odd unusual yet given past to the

4031
03:45:39,320 --> 03:45:43,160
Speaker 15: territorial Katapha, etc. They have been propagandizing a bit more

4032
03:45:43,200 --> 03:45:45,440
Speaker 15: in the last five six months.

4033
03:45:46,200 --> 03:45:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and it makes sense that they choose this

4034
03:45:49,200 --> 03:45:49,840
Speaker 2: as a target.

4035
03:45:50,160 --> 03:45:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

4036
03:45:50,760 --> 03:45:54,520
Speaker 2: But thankfully again, most people who try to make bombs

4037
03:45:54,680 --> 03:45:56,960
Speaker 2: fail and that was the case this time too.

4038
03:45:57,600 --> 03:45:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah for our last main store.

4039
03:46:01,400 --> 03:46:04,880
Speaker 3: Since the war on Iran began, the Trump administration has

4040
03:46:05,080 --> 03:46:08,840
Speaker 3: increasingly been talking about Cuba as being the next target

4041
03:46:08,959 --> 03:46:12,960
Speaker 3: of US intervention. In the immediate aftermath of military strikes

4042
03:46:13,000 --> 03:46:16,560
Speaker 3: in Iran, The Atlantic reported that Trump is eyeing Cuba

4043
03:46:16,720 --> 03:46:20,400
Speaker 3: as the next target, with an administration official saying the

4044
03:46:20,520 --> 03:46:23,240
Speaker 3: President is feeling like I'm on a roll, like this

4045
03:46:23,480 --> 03:46:26,960
Speaker 3: is working unquote, And I seen an interview about US

4046
03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:31,600
Speaker 3: military success in Iran. Last Friday, Trump started talking about Cuba, saying, quote,

4047
03:46:31,879 --> 03:46:35,200
Speaker 3: Cuba is going to fall pretty soon, by the way, unrelated,

4048
03:46:35,480 --> 03:46:38,240
Speaker 3: but Cuba is going to fall too. They want to

4049
03:46:38,360 --> 03:46:40,880
Speaker 3: make a deal so badly. They want to make a deal,

4050
03:46:41,200 --> 03:46:43,360
Speaker 3: and so I'm going to put Marco over there and

4051
03:46:43,480 --> 03:46:47,240
Speaker 3: we'll see how that works out unquote. That same day

4052
03:46:47,400 --> 03:46:50,480
Speaker 3: in Florida, Trump was asked about this Cuba deal and

4053
03:46:50,600 --> 03:46:51,880
Speaker 3: what do it mean for the US.

4054
03:46:52,400 --> 03:46:55,800
Speaker 29: And it may be a friendly takeover, it may not

4055
03:46:55,920 --> 03:46:58,400
Speaker 29: be a friendly taker. It wouldn't matter because they're really

4056
03:46:58,440 --> 03:47:04,600
Speaker 29: in They're down to as they say, fumes. They have

4057
03:47:04,760 --> 03:47:10,039
Speaker 29: no energy, they have no money, they're in deep trouble

4058
03:47:10,280 --> 03:47:14,720
Speaker 29: on a humanitarian basis, and we don't want to.

4059
03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:18,000
Speaker 3: See that may or may not be a quote unquote

4060
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:19,200
Speaker 3: friendly takeover.

4061
03:47:20,160 --> 03:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, I mean I think that's really helps you. Yeah,

4062
03:47:24,240 --> 03:47:27,760
Speaker 2: it sounds like he's threatening Batista too, basically, even going

4063
03:47:27,800 --> 03:47:29,600
Speaker 2: back further than that, but yeah.

4064
03:47:30,280 --> 03:47:34,760
Speaker 15: Does he consider Venezuela to have been a friendly takeover? Like,

4065
03:47:34,879 --> 03:47:37,080
Speaker 15: because he's very friendly with Delsey now right, Like you

4066
03:47:37,120 --> 03:47:39,879
Speaker 15: can see her tweeting all the time about their great partnership.

4067
03:47:40,320 --> 03:47:43,040
Speaker 3: I think he would consider that an unfriendly takeover, which

4068
03:47:43,080 --> 03:47:47,360
Speaker 3: has now become friendly. But I think he's like referring

4069
03:47:47,440 --> 03:47:49,400
Speaker 3: to the amount of like actual like you know, kinetic

4070
03:47:49,520 --> 03:47:52,320
Speaker 3: force as a part of a takeover versus just a

4071
03:47:52,720 --> 03:47:56,560
Speaker 3: diplomatic deal done by Rubio. But in his scene an

4072
03:47:56,600 --> 03:48:00,800
Speaker 3: interview from from Friday, Trump DIDs us that the administration

4073
03:48:00,840 --> 03:48:03,880
Speaker 3: is quote unquote really focused on Iran right now and

4074
03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:05,720
Speaker 3: that they have quote plenty of time.

4075
03:48:06,080 --> 03:48:07,720
Speaker 4: But Cuba's ready after fifty years.

4076
03:48:07,760 --> 03:48:09,640
Speaker 3: I've been watching it for fifty years, and it's fallen

4077
03:48:09,800 --> 03:48:15,400
Speaker 3: right into my lap because of me unquote. The before this,

4078
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:19,640
Speaker 3: Trump mentioned how Rubio wants to finish up operations in

4079
03:48:19,720 --> 03:48:23,240
Speaker 3: Iran before trying anything in Cuba. Quote, we could do

4080
03:48:23,320 --> 03:48:25,560
Speaker 3: them all at the same time, but bad things happen

4081
03:48:25,800 --> 03:48:27,800
Speaker 3: if you watch countries over the years, if you do

4082
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Speaker 3: them all too fast, bad things happen.

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Speaker 4: Unquote do them do the countries do them?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I see. Fascinating.

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Speaker 15: That's the reference to these regime change decapitations doing the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, got it good to know.

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Speaker 3: At a presentation for the Shield of the Americas on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: Trump said, quote, as we achieve a historic transformation in Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: We're also looking forward to the great change that will

4091
03:48:55,600 --> 03:48:58,520
Speaker 3: soon be coming to Cuba. Cuba's at the end of

4092
03:48:58,560 --> 03:49:00,640
Speaker 3: the line. They have a bad regime.

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Speaker 15: It is wild to see him just like I don't

4094
03:49:04,960 --> 03:49:06,480
Speaker 15: want to be like, you know, like baby Ruth used

4095
03:49:06,480 --> 03:49:07,920
Speaker 15: to point to where he's going to hit the baseball.

4096
03:49:08,440 --> 03:49:11,480
Speaker 15: That's probably not the best analogy there, but you know

4097
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Speaker 15: what I mean, it is bonkers just to see.

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Speaker 4: They're very confident right now.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they haven't gotten a serious pushback.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're starting to see gas prices rise, the

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03:49:21,000 --> 03:49:23,040
Speaker 2: cost of living is going to rise, but we haven't

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Speaker 2: suffered any sort of major military loss.

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Speaker 15: I eight Americans have died in the operations against Iran.

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Speaker 2: Right, like, yeah, and I doubt Trump has noticed.

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03:49:32,320 --> 03:49:35,120
Speaker 15: But I mean for him, that's not serious, it's not now.

4106
03:49:35,240 --> 03:49:37,960
Speaker 15: But he seems to have literally shrugged it off, almost

4107
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Speaker 15: impressed conferences. We did learn today that a great deal

4108
03:49:41,600 --> 03:49:44,440
Speaker 15: more people suffered more serious injuries when we thought in

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03:49:44,520 --> 03:49:47,480
Speaker 15: that particular drone striking Q eight. But there won't be

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03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:49,960
Speaker 15: electoral consequences, right. I think that's one of the reasons

4111
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Speaker 15: why they like these astrike heavy very light ground footprint

4112
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Speaker 15: models because it's not Americans who.

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Speaker 2: Die, No, it's it's Iranians who are primarily dying. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Shall we close with this brief discussion on proton mail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: So last week four h four media reported that the

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Speaker 3: end to end encrypted email service proton mail quote helped

4118
03:50:15,360 --> 03:50:20,200
Speaker 3: FBI unmasked anonymous stop Coopcity protester unquote.

4119
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Speaker 4: That is their headline.

4120
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Speaker 3: So what happened here is that in January twenty twenty four,

4121
03:50:25,280 --> 03:50:29,400
Speaker 3: the FBI sent Swiss authorities a mutual Legal Assistance treaty

4122
03:50:29,520 --> 03:50:33,520
Speaker 3: request for information tied to the defend the Atlanta Forest

4123
03:50:33,600 --> 03:50:37,480
Speaker 3: at ProtonMail dot com account. The FBI believe that whoever

4124
03:50:37,520 --> 03:50:41,080
Speaker 3: had access to this email would likely have administrative access

4125
03:50:41,160 --> 03:50:44,680
Speaker 3: to the now defunct scenes from the Atlanta Forest blog,

4126
03:50:45,400 --> 03:50:49,240
Speaker 3: which hosted sabotage report backs, calls to action, and some

4127
03:50:49,640 --> 03:50:55,000
Speaker 3: instructional information on possible criminal acts people could commit. After

4128
03:50:55,160 --> 03:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Swiss authorities verified the FBI's request, proton mail was legally

4129
03:51:00,240 --> 03:51:04,240
Speaker 3: required to submit payment data, which identified a name tied

4130
03:51:04,320 --> 03:51:07,520
Speaker 3: to the account through a credit card. Swiss authorities then

4131
03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:10,280
Speaker 3: forwarded that information to the FBI via the Mutual Legal

4132
03:51:10,320 --> 03:51:13,880
Speaker 3: Assistance treaty. This individual has not been charged with the

4133
03:51:13,960 --> 03:51:18,120
Speaker 3: crime and no email contents were provided to either the

4134
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:22,040
Speaker 3: Swiss authorities or the FBI. This is Edwards shown the

4135
03:51:22,080 --> 03:51:25,960
Speaker 3: head of communications for Proton quote, Proton only provides the

4136
03:51:26,080 --> 03:51:29,360
Speaker 3: limited information that we have when issued with a legally

4137
03:51:29,480 --> 03:51:33,120
Speaker 3: binding order from Swiss authorities, which can only happen after

4138
03:51:33,280 --> 03:51:37,000
Speaker 3: all Swiss legal checks are passed. This is an important

4139
03:51:37,040 --> 03:51:42,560
Speaker 3: distinction because Proton operates exclusively under Swiss law. Proton accepts

4140
03:51:42,600 --> 03:51:47,240
Speaker 3: payments via cryptocurrency, cash and also credit card. If you

4141
03:51:47,400 --> 03:51:50,360
Speaker 3: use a credit card, we do have access to the

4142
03:51:50,440 --> 03:51:53,560
Speaker 3: payment identifier, which can be used to identify the credit

4143
03:51:53,680 --> 03:51:57,640
Speaker 3: card holder from the card issuer. We check all legal

4144
03:51:57,760 --> 03:52:00,840
Speaker 3: orders received from authorities, and we understood that a law

4145
03:52:00,920 --> 03:52:03,960
Speaker 3: enforcement officer was shot and explosive devices were involved, and

4146
03:52:04,080 --> 03:52:08,920
Speaker 3: we verified that Swiss legal requirements were met unquote. That's

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Speaker 3: their main statement regarding the handover of this credit card information.

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Speaker 15: This has always been my understanding of how Proto Mail works.

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03:52:17,400 --> 03:52:19,880
Speaker 4: They are a business, They are not an activist organization.

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03:52:20,080 --> 03:52:22,720
Speaker 3: They are they are a business, and Swiss privacy laws

4151
03:52:22,720 --> 03:52:25,640
Speaker 3: are stronger and they would have not been able to

4152
03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:29,440
Speaker 3: hand over financial information identifying the person if this account

4153
03:52:29,720 --> 03:52:34,000
Speaker 3: paid in cash mailed to Proton or be a cryptocurrency,

4154
03:52:34,000 --> 03:52:36,800
Speaker 3: which would have been way more difficult to identify.

4155
03:52:36,560 --> 03:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Depending on the crypto.

4156
03:52:37,640 --> 03:52:40,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, I've operated many many proton mail accounts through

4157
03:52:40,600 --> 03:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the years. I've never tied any of them to financial information.

4158
03:52:43,880 --> 03:52:46,400
Speaker 3: You do not need to pay for most of the

4159
03:52:46,520 --> 03:52:49,520
Speaker 3: services that they provide, like I even have Proton VPN

4160
03:52:50,360 --> 03:52:52,960
Speaker 3: without paying for like the expanded VPN option.

4161
03:52:54,040 --> 03:52:56,560
Speaker 15: Yeah, they've always been very clear that they're a Swiss

4162
03:52:56,600 --> 03:52:58,680
Speaker 15: based company and they comply with Swiss privacy law.

4163
03:52:59,240 --> 03:53:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is how and before they have responded to

4164
03:53:02,520 --> 03:53:03,600
Speaker 2: FBI requests before.

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03:53:03,840 --> 03:53:05,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how many off ther requests they have

4166
03:53:05,280 --> 03:53:08,000
Speaker 3: responded to. I know they've responded to requests from other

4167
03:53:08,080 --> 03:53:09,000
Speaker 3: countries in Europe.

4168
03:53:09,040 --> 03:53:10,440
Speaker 2: It's one around twenty twenty.

4169
03:53:10,760 --> 03:53:14,160
Speaker 3: I know they've responded to French authorities about environmental protesters.

4170
03:53:14,560 --> 03:53:17,080
Speaker 3: The fact that's what authorities did send this information to

4171
03:53:17,240 --> 03:53:21,160
Speaker 3: FBI is newsworthy. This is notable, But this doesn't mean

4172
03:53:21,240 --> 03:53:24,560
Speaker 3: that Proton is getting increasingly compliant Like this is from

4173
03:53:25,240 --> 03:53:29,640
Speaker 3: early twenty twenty four, following the standard procedure via the

4174
03:53:29,760 --> 03:53:34,560
Speaker 3: mutual legal assistance treaty, and importantly, the actual end to

4175
03:53:34,760 --> 03:53:38,960
Speaker 3: end email contents were not given because Proton themselves don't

4176
03:53:38,960 --> 03:53:39,800
Speaker 3: even have access to those.

4177
03:53:40,120 --> 03:53:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for clarity, Proton has given info to the

4178
03:53:43,040 --> 03:53:45,400
Speaker 2: FBI before. I found a case back in twenty twenty

4179
03:53:45,440 --> 03:53:47,240
Speaker 2: two where the FBI was able to get data on

4180
03:53:47,400 --> 03:53:50,920
Speaker 2: us proton mail user who was being investigated for harassment.

4181
03:53:51,600 --> 03:53:55,120
Speaker 2: They responded in twenty twenty one to six nine hundred

4182
03:53:55,120 --> 03:53:58,960
Speaker 2: and ninety five legal orders and complied with about six

4183
03:53:59,080 --> 03:54:01,920
Speaker 2: thousand of them, only twenty one it was about five

4184
03:54:02,440 --> 03:54:04,840
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty about three thousand. I think this generally

4185
03:54:04,920 --> 03:54:07,760
Speaker 2: reflects the rate at which Proton has grown, rather than

4186
03:54:08,440 --> 03:54:10,960
Speaker 2: them becoming more likely to respond to these requests.

4187
03:54:11,520 --> 03:54:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by responding to the requests that that doesn't

4188
03:54:14,440 --> 03:54:17,800
Speaker 3: really give us a good insight into what they're actually responding.

4189
03:54:17,400 --> 03:54:20,120
Speaker 15: With, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's the other thing, right, Like

4190
03:54:20,280 --> 03:54:24,400
Speaker 15: this person's email inbox was not opened to the FBI.

4191
03:54:25,200 --> 03:54:27,880
Speaker 2: That is a different thing, very important.

4192
03:54:28,200 --> 03:54:30,200
Speaker 4: There was the name linked to their credit card.

4193
03:54:30,400 --> 03:54:32,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think, like you said, this is reportable, but

4194
03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:36,280
Speaker 15: it's it was a little over sold in the headline.

4195
03:54:36,280 --> 03:54:37,880
Speaker 15: I know ify one does that these days.

4196
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:41,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's good for people to understand how proton

4197
03:54:41,480 --> 03:54:43,480
Speaker 3: actually works as like a privacy email.

4198
03:54:43,600 --> 03:54:44,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and they are not.

4199
03:54:45,280 --> 03:54:46,840
Speaker 3: They are not an activist group and that is an

4200
03:54:46,880 --> 03:54:49,840
Speaker 3: important sanction. They are a Swiss business that will follow

4201
03:54:49,920 --> 03:54:52,080
Speaker 3: the law. And if you understand how to use Proton

4202
03:54:52,080 --> 03:54:54,720
Speaker 3: as a service to maximize your privacy, then it can

4203
03:54:54,800 --> 03:54:58,800
Speaker 3: be a very useful service, but it will not protect

4204
03:54:58,880 --> 03:55:02,600
Speaker 3: you in every way. If you're handing them over payment

4205
03:55:02,600 --> 03:55:06,080
Speaker 3: information or information tied to your name that is not encrypted,

4206
03:55:06,480 --> 03:55:09,640
Speaker 3: that can open the possibility of an account being identifiable.

4207
03:55:10,200 --> 03:55:12,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, so I know a lot of people had contacted

4208
03:55:12,360 --> 03:55:15,880
Speaker 15: me about a proton mail address, Like, hopefully now you

4209
03:55:16,000 --> 03:55:18,040
Speaker 15: have the information that you need to decide it's that

4210
03:55:18,080 --> 03:55:18,640
Speaker 15: it's something you.

4211
03:55:18,680 --> 03:55:19,480
Speaker 2: Want to use or not.

4212
03:55:21,200 --> 03:55:22,760
Speaker 4: Speaking of proton mail.

4213
03:55:23,600 --> 03:55:26,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, speak of protemail. We still have a proton mail address.

4214
03:55:26,160 --> 03:55:27,680
Speaker 15: Now you know a little bit more about how you

4215
03:55:27,840 --> 03:55:30,400
Speaker 15: can use it. If you want to cool zone tips

4216
03:55:30,440 --> 03:55:33,360
Speaker 15: at proton dot me. If you would like to send

4217
03:55:33,440 --> 03:55:36,040
Speaker 15: us a pitch for you or your boss to be

4218
03:55:36,160 --> 03:55:38,200
Speaker 15: on behind the Bastards, if you would like us to

4219
03:55:38,320 --> 03:55:41,680
Speaker 15: plug your book, if you want us to talk about

4220
03:55:41,760 --> 03:55:44,480
Speaker 15: your fucking time share. You can send all of that

4221
03:55:44,720 --> 03:55:49,920
Speaker 15: to Coolzone Media at iHeartMedia dot com. Especially if it's

4222
03:55:49,960 --> 03:55:50,560
Speaker 15: the last one, I.

4223
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Speaker 4: Will block you.

4224
03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:53,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm looking for a time share that seems

4225
03:55:53,960 --> 03:55:55,240
Speaker 2: like a good investment. Sick.

4226
03:55:55,640 --> 03:55:59,800
Speaker 3: But that is the email for non tips for things

4227
03:55:59,840 --> 03:56:02,200
Speaker 3: that not related to news tips, you can use the

4228
03:56:02,280 --> 03:56:06,920
Speaker 3: calls on media at iHeartMedia dot com email address dot com.

4229
03:56:07,240 --> 03:56:10,400
Speaker 15: Talking of tips, I have a tip garrison for marketing people.

4230
03:56:10,440 --> 03:56:14,880
Speaker 15: If you email anyone ten times a day, you gotta

4231
03:56:14,920 --> 03:56:17,040
Speaker 15: piste them off. They're not gonna want to fucking hear

4232
03:56:17,080 --> 03:56:17,320
Speaker 15: from you.

4233
03:56:17,600 --> 03:56:18,000
Speaker 4: Stop it.

4234
03:56:18,800 --> 03:56:21,680
Speaker 2: Some of you aren't. Well you're not emailing them. You've

4235
03:56:21,680 --> 03:56:22,880
Speaker 2: got an AI doing it.

4236
03:56:22,960 --> 03:56:25,480
Speaker 4: It's got to be AI. Yeah, that's that's not a person.

4237
03:56:26,160 --> 03:56:29,160
Speaker 2: If it's a marketing person. There are other people who

4238
03:56:29,240 --> 03:56:30,400
Speaker 2: email ten times a day.

4239
03:56:30,760 --> 03:56:33,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean this was a marketing person who was

4240
03:56:34,000 --> 03:56:37,480
Speaker 15: emailing some of our work addresses try and get us.

4241
03:56:37,480 --> 03:56:40,360
Speaker 2: To plug their podcasts, which on our podcast is.

4242
03:56:40,400 --> 03:56:43,400
Speaker 15: To stop it, grow up, have some self respect.

4243
03:56:43,720 --> 03:56:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

4244
03:56:44,600 --> 03:56:46,560
Speaker 2: What's really fun is if you go on Reddit, you

4245
03:56:46,680 --> 03:56:50,400
Speaker 2: can find a subreddit for those kind of marketers. Well

4246
03:56:50,400 --> 03:56:55,000
Speaker 2: they're worth they'll complain about journalists not responding, and it's beautiful.

4247
03:56:54,600 --> 03:56:57,000
Speaker 15: Yeah, you can't see because podcasts. I'm raising both my

4248
03:56:57,080 --> 03:56:59,760
Speaker 15: middle fingers at this time. Like anyway, this has been

4249
03:56:59,880 --> 03:57:04,160
Speaker 15: us swining about marketing people. I hope you will have

4250
03:57:04,240 --> 03:57:04,840
Speaker 15: a lovely week.

4251
03:57:05,680 --> 03:57:09,440
Speaker 3: I will be as a hug as many of those

4252
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Speaker 3: proteins as.

4253
03:57:10,800 --> 03:57:16,680
Speaker 2: I can, Garrison, if you want to start really bulking up,

4254
03:57:16,760 --> 03:57:19,400
Speaker 2: you need at least one hundred grams of protein a day.

4255
03:57:19,880 --> 03:57:21,440
Speaker 2: And there's ten and he'll die.

4256
03:57:22,520 --> 03:57:26,520
Speaker 20: It's only ten day.

4257
03:57:26,920 --> 03:57:28,720
Speaker 2: You could pour them in a camel back and go

4258
03:57:28,880 --> 03:57:29,600
Speaker 2: about your day.

4259
03:57:32,400 --> 03:57:34,000
Speaker 15: Just make sure you dip the end of the camel

4260
03:57:34,080 --> 03:57:35,520
Speaker 15: back in the buffalo.

4261
03:57:35,320 --> 03:57:38,560
Speaker 2: Dry rope, the dry rope for the nozzle. Have a

4262
03:57:38,600 --> 03:57:40,240
Speaker 2: little Shika, have a little.

4263
03:57:41,800 --> 03:57:43,040
Speaker 4: We reported the news.

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03:57:44,000 --> 03:57:45,200
Speaker 19: Oh god, did we?

4265
03:57:45,800 --> 03:57:46,720
Speaker 5: We reported the news.

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03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:54,160
Speaker 2: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

4267
03:57:54,280 --> 03:57:56,160
Speaker 2: from now until the heat death of the Universe.

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Speaker 1: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone

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03:57:59,120 --> 03:58:02,160
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03:58:02,200 --> 03:58:05,280
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