WEBVTT - How Night Terrors Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.800 This episode of Stuff You Should Know is sponsored by Squarespace. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.559 Whether you need a landing page, a beautiful gallery of 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.039 professional blogger, an online store, it's all possible with the 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.120 Squarespace website. Go to squarespace dot com and set your 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:19.279 website apart. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:27.840 Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.560 I'm Josh Clark, and there's childs to be Chuck Bryant, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.120 and there's Yep, there's Jerry. Uh. This is Stuff you 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:39.680 Should Know the podcast. Uh, we are in our deep 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.720 freeze chamber. Yeah, it's a little cold in here. It's 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.560 freezing and I'm never freezing. No, I don't know what's 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.879 going on. Yeah, Like I just video producer Casey just 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:55.200 pushed a big rack of frozen beef carcasses by So 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.800 I think they're moonlighting, you know, is a is a 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.680 beef carcass freezer the butcher. When I said I don't 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.440 know it's going on, I meant literally, I'm confused from 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.880 hypothermia setting in facting my brain. You're just generally confused 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:15.120 about everything. Yeah, well, it's it's cold, cold as age, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:21.880 cold as heck. Chuck, Yes, have you my friend ever 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:27.080 had what's commonly referred to as a night terror. Um, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.760 are you referring to a sleep terror or pavoor nocturnus 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.360 or axis one colon three oh seven point four six, 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:42.360 or uh possession by a demon? No? I don't think so. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.760 I haven't either. I would probably remember, I would think 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.880 as a child having these, although not necessarily unless your 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.680 mom or dad said, hey, there's something really wrong with 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.760 your kid, well, it would have been a thing. In 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.000 other words, right, yeah, because yeah, that's a good point. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.720 It's gonna say thank goodness that we didn't have that, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.840 but really thank goodness for our family, because when you 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.880 have a night teror sleep tear, you typically aren't capable 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.079 of forming any kind of memory of the event, certainly 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.840 of anything that's driving you crazy with fear. Yeah, you 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.840 wake up, you're surrounded by your entire family who's like 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.480 sweating bullets with looks of terror on their faces, shaking, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.200 and you're like, what's what's going on? Yeah? Where the pancakes? 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.480 I was gonna say twinkies? But yeah, did you eat 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.160 twinkies for breakfast as a child? Well? No, I kind 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.960 of more imagine this happening at like two in the morning. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.760 Got you. You know, nobody wants to cook being grabbed 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.720 twinkie pretty easy, I bet what would be good since 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.440 I recently invented the recy cat, all right, and people 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:48.079 actually ate them. Um, take a twinkie, get a pan 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.880 hot oh yeah, spray it with some or even better, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.520 get some get a stick of butter and run it 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.639 over the pan, and then get one of those bacon 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:02.280 grill presses and then small two twinkies down. I don't 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.560 know if you should do that last part and griddle 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.239 them up nice and crispy. Okay, wow, yeah, maybe you 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.360 should do whether they're really golden brown and not just 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.079 fake golden brown. Man, that'd be good. You know. I 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.520 quit ultra processed foods, but I might try that. Actually, yeah, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.440 I mean I'm joking. Of course I would never do that. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.960 I had a twinkie and I think I ate one 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.360 for that episode. But I don't think I've had too 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.320 many sense then either. But that sounds good. Well, you 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.200 just said a crisp, buttery twinkie, and it does sound 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.600 kind of good. That's what stinks about having extra pounds, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.240 as people probably say, yeah, chuck to seat twinkies all day. Well, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.280 they call you twinkie behind your back. I don't fried 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.320 chicken all day, that's my problem. Oh yeah, yeah, fried 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.160 chicken will do it. But it can really be worth 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.240 it depending on the fried chicken to be raised in 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.160 the South. Where's the best place around here? Well, some 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.440 of the grocery stores around here have great fried chicken 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.600 in their deli. Really, yeah, that's my like, I don't 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.760 go to like fast food fried chicken. Oh yeah, no, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.600 I'm I'm not surprised about that, but I figured you'd 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.440 say something like Mary Max or something like that. Occasionally 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.720 at a at a nice restaurant that has, you know, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.159 over priced fried chicken, I'll try it. Mary Max is 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.720 good pretty much across the board with everything. Yeah, it's 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:26.920 ever had their um mint julip. No, it is so tasty, huge, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.800 that is it. Yes, it's just great. Well that's because 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.800 they have to satisfy the aging alcoholics that go there 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.200 for lunch drinks. Mary max Tea Room is in Atlanta, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.560 by the way. Oh yeah, everybody knows. It's a classic 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.279 old school Southern restaurant. But but you know, it's a 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:44.920 team room, so it's supposed to be a little nicer. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.160 It's not like a meat and three right exactly, but yeah, yeah, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.320 and uh Mary Max is also very famous for Mary 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.000 Mack having suffered night terrors as child. Yeah. See, people 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.200 thought we were on a tangent. Nope, not true. No, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.600 that was all all written out. So night terrors. I 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.200 have never had them that I know of. I did 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:11.200 recount my sleep walking, uh episode in our sleepwalking episode. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:17.280 Well put and by the way, we did sleepwalking is 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:24.880 science phasing out sleep? October? Is sleep that important? September two, Robust, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.640 thirteen minute episode Sleepwalking August? Is there a disease that 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.880 kills us by preventing sleep? October? And that's it? What 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:38.640 about lucid dreaming? Okay? Yeah, sure? And then but I 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.279 typed in sleep as the keyword, so it didn't come up. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.560 I think there's a couple more even that a dreams 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.800 would have brought up a few more than you're right. Yeah. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.320 So anyway, if people want to hear everything, we know, 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.600 sleep sweet, the sleep sweet, that's it. Um. But yeah, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.440 we haven't done. Oh and then by this time we'll 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.440 have done. Uh. What was the one we just recorded 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.880 about sleep? Gettysburg address It was a paras omnia too. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.159 Oh geez man, we just recorded. It hasn't even been 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:11.920 released at this moment. You know what I'm talking about, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.520 all right? Yeah, but you put me on the spot, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.600 so I can't think of anything. I can't either put 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.039 both of us. It'll be added to the sleep suite eventually. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.080 And here's another contribution. So we're talking night tears. Like 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.880 you said, there's some other terms for it. Apparently, if 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.599 you're serious about researching night tears, you call him sleep tears. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.719 Because this was pointed out by a couple of pedantic sites. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.200 That can happen anytime you sleep, if you take a 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.680 nap during the day, you can suffer one of them. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.000 So you really shouldn't call him night tears. Yeah, if 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.280 you're one of those six year olds that works the 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.880 late shift and he's sleep all day long, that is 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.159 severely pedantic. But that's I was being unfair because adults 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.960 can get them, although it's uh much more common in children. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.760 Let's just say between four and twelve. The best number 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:04.479 we have is about six six. Um, there is one. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.159 I don't even know about this one. One study said, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.040 but I think we should just throw that out the door, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.200 because nowhere else did I see that. Yeah, there's a, Oh, really, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.240 you didn't see that one. No, No, I didn't. I 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.760 mostly saw about around somewhere around six percent of kids 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.400 from anywhere between two and a half to twelve years 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:28.640 of age UM typically will suffer night terrors. And there's 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.880 like you're going to find out that there very few 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.360 things that are known about night terrors sleep tears. UM, 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.400 there's like tantalizing clues here there, but no one's ever 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.400 sat down and really like connected the dots. There's nobody. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.720 There is virtually no sleep terror researcher that I came across. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.360 I came across a few academics talking about it, and 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.480 there've been like apparently a few studies or whatever, but 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.360 there doesn't seem to be anybody who's focused on night tares. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.680 Which is really strange to me because if you do 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.280 kind of start doing research about night tears, you find 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.680 that there is a lot of anxiety among parents. For sure. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.320 This would help a lot of people, a lot of 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.240 families who are disturbed by this. Well, I can't imagine 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.200 being a parent and having your kid like, I mean, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.480 it's not a nightmare. We're going to make the distinction 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.880 over and over. It's it's different it happens in a 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.280 different time, which we'll get to during sleep, but it 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:31.440 is uh, it is terror, like hyperventilating and your heart 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.600 rate is increased, your your eyes might be opening. You're 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.920 still asleep. You talk about terrifying and your people will dilate. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.520 That's the stuff of nightmares, Like you've got the fight 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.480 or flight response going on. That's while you're asleep and 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:48.360 can't have your eyes upen Could you imagine anything more creepy? 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.319 Oh no, that's that's very creepy. Well, that's that's part 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:53.959 of the problem. I think that's one of the things, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.480 not just being woken up by your kid having a 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.800 night tearor um. The fact that they're moving around like 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.480 they're scared to death, but there's nothing and they're like 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.040 walking around. They're like pushing you out of the way. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.120 They're they're they're interacting with the world as if they're 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.440 awake and scared out of their minds. But you can't 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.000 connect with them, you can't console them because they're asleep. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.760 They're not actually interacting with you. They're not hearing your 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.640 reassurances because they're not awake right now. They're in another world, 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.600 the world of sleep. It's really bizarre. Are you sure 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.160 they can't hear? Yeah, you have to wake them up, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.640 and you're not supposed to do that. Secondly, but they're 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.679 not there. They're they're they're physically and they're acting like 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.800 they're they're they're not there, so you're they're literally inconsolable 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.960 at that point while they're having a night tare So Yeah, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.640 for a parent and this is your little two or 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.800 three year old kid suffering this, you can't do anything 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.400 about it. You just have to wait for it to 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.599 go away. And these things can last up to like 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.800 twenty minutes, and there's nothing you can do aside from 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.320 keeping them from harming themselves. Yeah. Plus that means you're 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.720 awake for twenty minutes when you you should be sleeping, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:14.160 just pounding twinkies. Uh. Gender wise, boys and girls get 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.240 it about the same, so it's really no difference. And um, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:23.760 it's not like menstruation as no gender specific specific as 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.199 far as I know, we haven't done an episode on 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:30.319 that specifically. Though. We did female puberty. That that's that's enough? 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.480 Is that all? Yeah? We did male puberty and female puberty. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.160 No more. I shouldn't have even brought it up. Um, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.640 so gender doesn't matter. And um, they typically tail off 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.160 after you're a little kid, but you can't get them 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.680 as adults. And they say, after sixty five years old, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.960 you were almost certain to not have a sleep terror. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.240 And I just assume it's because nothing scares you at 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.480 that point. You've seen it all teenagers. Yea, the you're 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:06.360 you're impending death in teenagers, um, which probably reminds you 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:11.040 of your impending death. Really the world changing and all that. Um, Yeah, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.000 there's a clue right there. Over sixty five night terrors 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.480 are almost unheard of. Another little tranche of life where 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.920 they're very much unheard of his adolescence. So you might 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.520 have them, um, when you're prepubescent, and then they go 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:30.160 away during adolescence, then they might pick up again as 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.480 an adult. Um. You know what's going on there. It 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.360 seems to be as far as like the very few 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.120 people who are thinking about this stuff, there seems to 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.079 be some sort of agreement that it has to do 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.959 especially in children with the developing central nervous system. You 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.840 know what, that's a great place for us to take 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.120 a break, so I can go look up what central 0:11:51.160 --> 0:12:21.600 nervous system means. All right, you said, central nervous system, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.040 and um, you know what it means. I do. I 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.760 went and looked it up. This descending string of nerves 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.160 that goes down from your brain and hangs down over 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:37.600 your body. That's right, I think like a marry net. Yeah, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.480 it is very much like that. Um. So wow, that 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.440 was a great analogy. Actually, he just blew my mind. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.679 Thank you. So you just tease before we left about 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.840 having to do with the central nervous system. Um, apparently 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.600 our our CNS matures up until the age of about 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.000 do you know what CNS means? Central nervous is right? Um, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.480 but I was kind of surprised at I was shocked 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.559 at that was that late. Apparently it's a fairly recent 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.559 finding relief among science that it used to be you 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:16.960 know eight, you know, end of puberty. Um, Nope. Supposedly 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:23.880 now they believe the CNS keeps going and developing until uh, well, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.559 we should talk a little bit about sleep. I know 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:30.440 we covered this in that awesome thirteen minute episode How 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.640 Sleep Works. Yeah, just the stages of sleep. Yeah, it 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:38.040 seems like this was better explained than our entire thirteen 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.719 minute episode. Yeah, and that we talked about in the 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.599 Dreams Episode two, And we had a TV episode of 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.840 our Science Channel show called Night Terror. Yeah, poor Kent 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.439 clinking Beard slept, walked, you had sleep back me all 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.920 sorts of terrible stuff. That was a fun episode. That 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:59.480 was um and and there's even a continuity mistake in 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.880 that episode if you remember probably several um did you know? 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.400 Our first three episodes are up on YouTube in full. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.719 I think somebody actually sat there with their phone and 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.920 recorded it on their computer and then posted it to YouTube. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.360 Now is it the real first episode? Meaning the pilot 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.800 that was the eleventh episode was the one that they 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.440 aired first. It was actually episode two, but it was 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.560 called episode one, wasn't it? All I know is coffee? Coffee? 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.200 But that was the first one, wasn't it? That was 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.680 episode one? It wasn't episode two? Yeah, that was the pilot. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.200 The pilot was episode eleven. Yeah, but that was totally 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.400 different format. No, the pilot remember it was broken up 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.240 between body dysmorphic disorder and zombies. Oh no, no, no, no, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.720 that's the pilot now, that wasn't it was? That was 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:51.280 the That was what we shot as proof of concept 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.360 that they ended up airing as the pilot. They call 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.640 it pilos where but the pilot episode of the real 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.360 show when we actually we're in a different location was 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:08.640 was Coffee Bought? Which they aired I guess tenth coffee 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.040 about air first? No, it didn't really, Yeah, that was 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.200 the rub Man. It's like, why would you air the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.720 pilot last? Well, we aired the pilot last twice because 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.280 they showed the proof of concept one at the end. Right, Yeah, 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.040 they hated the show so much they decided to air 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:31.080 one extra episode. Oh man, what a rabbit hole that 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:36.120 was so uh talk about it. Yeah, this this article 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.560 here says we spent about a third of our lives 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.800 in deep sleep. Well that's not true, just sleeping and um, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.040 that's true. Well it depends on the person, of course. Sure, yeah, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.480 I guess that's true. I equate that with this sitting 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.160 at red lights thing. I've always been suspicious of that, Like, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.800 it depends on where you are, spend how much you drive? Yeah, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.560 x number of days at a red light. Yeah, these 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.880 are broad uh percentages, I think. Yeah, Um, I have 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.440 a friend that is so like that. I think started 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.720 worrying about his death early on in life and trained 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.400 himself to get as little asleep as possible so he 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.920 could do more. Oh that's neat and dude, since I've 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.520 known him in the in his early twenties, has been 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.160 getting like five hours or less sleep at night and 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.720 it's good. He's good with that too. Um, he should 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.320 listen to that is Science Phasing out sleep episode because 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:32.360 it was remember a lot about pills that help you, um, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.760 stay up for forty eight hours and then just sleep 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.280 for the normal like eight. He didn't eat pills, he 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.560 just trained himself high. Yeah that's pretty interesting. Um. All right, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.760 so when we go to shweepy time. Uh, there's something 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.680 called a dinner scene ADNNI sign a chemical that starts 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.480 to build up in your body, your brain, your brain, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:59.720 right yeah, yeah, Oh, it's a neurotransmitter and at the 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.520 very least as present in your brain. I don't know 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.240 if it's manufactured there. You know, a lot of your serotonine, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.800 like a tremendous amount of your serotonin is actually producing 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:11.360 your gut. That that doesn't surprise me. It was surprising 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.040 to me the first time I heard it because you 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.080 think it's a brain. It's a new transmitter, so obviously 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.680 the brains can generate Nope, most of it's in your gut. No, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.399 I mean, I guess it didn't surprise me, and that 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.320 I know that a lot of healthy gut um life 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.240 life like a healthy gut can affect way more parts 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:32.879 of your life there, just like digestion. Um. So anyway, um, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.400 that builds up the adenna scene and then uh, serotonin, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.720 like you mentioned that goes to the brain and says, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.880 all right, let's shut it down for the night. Shut 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.040 it down, everybody. You don't have to go home, but 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.120 you can't stay here exactly. Then they play Rick Astley 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.399 on the loudspeaker. Oh, is that what they do to 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.440 get people out? Well, every bar has her own song. Okay, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.840 is Rick Astley go to though? You think I could 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.120 see it? Yeah? I used to play at Mexicali Grill 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.720 in college. I would play when we had the the 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.400 Eek fraternity big groups on the deck late at night. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.040 I would play Public Enemy really loud. Oh yeah, And 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.720 they didn't like it, I'm sure, and we loved it. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.200 Drove him out and they went back to the fraternity 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:20.760 house and did whatever they do there. Watch Dr Quinn 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.480 medicine woman. Is that what they're doing there? Is a 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.920 great letterman top I used to have this book of 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.040 Letterman Top ten lists from the nineties. Probably a third 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.280 of the jokes that I've said on this show really 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.719 are like rooted in that book, and that was one 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.200 of them. It was like top ten signs You're in 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.960 a bad fraternity. It was like, every Saturday Night is 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:45.040 Dr Quinn Medicine Woman Night? Your your secret fraternity handshake 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.160 consists of quietly holding hands for long periods of time. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:54.400 Zee mckagar's I think Dr Quinn Medicine Woman is probably 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.840 top five least cool shows of all time. You know, yeah, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.800 murder she wrote this up there. Okay, fine, it's not cool. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.800 I watched that show at least once a week. Still, 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.440 I love that show. Where do you find it on Netflix? Yah? 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.000 I think it's probably on Amazon Prime. Do you really 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.159 watch that? I really genuinely like in in a totally 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.200 non ironic way. Well, Angela Lansbury is pretty sexy. I 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.840 don't know about that, but it's just it's a cozy 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.280 little show, especially you know, she travels abroad and and 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.440 goes to Europe and in New York A lot those 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.720 episodes are like so so for me. The ones that 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.640 are set in Cabot Cove and there's like a storm 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.119 and a murderer Maine. I think. Um, so it's like 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.720 a quiet little town and you know, something happens and 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:48.119 it's just like a cozy show. You can't can't stand it. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.280 And it's not like she doesn't like the show itself, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.200 it's just like, um, Angela Lansbury is such like a 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.720 schoolmarm to her. She always feels like she's in trouble. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.560 Now on the background, Yeah, that's funny. So she's not 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.920 a big murder she wrote fan Uh did she just 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.640 walk through when it's on and be like, stop telling 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.879 me what to do? Angela? No, I won't go to 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.639 my room. Um, all right, so where are we were 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.080 falling asleep because the because Murder she wrote on because 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.040 Murder she wrotes on. And then we enter stage one 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:30.040 of five four h five, well technically five yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.800 so there's four stages and then a fifth an encore. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.399 Yeah I guess yeah, it doesn't isn't considered a stage, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.400 it's its own thing. Well. Stage one is when you're 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.199 you're sort of in that place where if things are 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.520 all good and you're not super anxious, don't have a 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.000 lot of anxiety. It's nice and quiet, it's dark. Um, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.800 that means you're heading into sleep. If things are not great, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.520 or you're anxious, or something's disturbing you, you could fall 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:05.240 back awake from stage one, that tenuous period. Stage one. Yeah, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.040 that is stage one. If you have a book, you're 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.280 going to sleep in stage one. That's right. It was 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.600 exploding head syndrome. That was the one. So you go 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.080 on to stage two, start drifting off, and this is 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.840 apparently where you spend a lot of your sleep time, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.200 although I don't know that this is necessarily true, but 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.399 your your brain waves start to take on a different form. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.399 I think they go from alpha to maybe beta. Okay, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.640 they're slowing down a little bit, you're calmed down, you're 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.800 not thinking quite as much. Um, your eye movement stops, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.000 and you're just basically in that twilight period where you're 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.359 you're basically sleepy, but you could be awakened fairly easily 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.280 until you get the stage three. Yeah, that's when things 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.480 get real. That's when. Um. These there's something called delta waves, 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.840 and they were discovered by a guy named W. Gray 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.639 Walter the nineteen hundreds who was very gracious not to 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.800 insist that they're called alter waves. Totally would have He's like, 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.959 go with delta Uh. They operate between zero and four hurts, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:12.159 and those delta waves are what makes they're They're responsible 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.080 for the restorative aspect of sleep, like when you wake 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.040 up and you feel great and refreshed, say thank you 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.920 delta waves. And um that doctor I guess he was 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:29.000 a doctor, doctor Walter Um. He was a student of Hanburger. 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:34.760 Hansburger mhm man. That's close. It's so so you shouldn't 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:39.639 name your kid Hansburger. Uh. Hansburger Uh invented the E 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.360 E G machine, and then Gray went on to make 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.639 that machine a little bit better. He improved upon it, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.800 which is what allowed him to discover these knobs are ugly. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.920 I'm gonna place him with orange. One looks old. So 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.200 that allowed him to discover the delta waves, which are great. 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.240 Those those are that's those are my favorite brainway. Yeah. 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.119 Even the name delta waves just sounds very soothing to me. 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:09.200 Del to right. So you're in did you say stage 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.360 four or three? That's things get cranking up in three 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.240 and by the time you're at four, it's all delta 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.840 waste and and like you said, that's where you get 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.280 that RESTful sleep because this is where tissue regeneration and 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:26.280 repair takes place. Your brain is shut down, like your 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.400 your executive function is turned off. You're not thinking, you're 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.040 not judging, you're not chewing over like all the stupid 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:35.760 things that you said wrong and how you could have 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.359 said them better that day, none of that's going on. Um, 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.840 you're just kind of out like a light. But your 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:47.160 motor strip is still conceivably active, it can be UM, 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.399 and your emotional centers are able to be activated as well. 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.280 For the most part, they're not. You're just out right right. 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:59.680 Then after stage four you totally shift gears and you 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.800 enter R E M sleep. So the first four stages 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.520 are non r E M sleep, and then you enter 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.920 R E M sleep rapid eye movement sleep, and it's 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:09.800 called that because your eyes just go nuts so all 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.320 over the place. The rest of your body is paralyzed, 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.360 and your brain turns back on and starts producing producing 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.320 the same brain waves alpha waves that you have when 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.040 you're awake. So you're thinking, you're dreaming, you're doing all 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.920