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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's childs to be Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and there's Yep, there's Jerry. Uh. This is Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast. Uh, we are in our deep

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Speaker 1: freeze chamber. Yeah, it's a little cold in here. It's

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Speaker 1: freezing and I'm never freezing. No, I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, Like I just video producer Casey just

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Speaker 1: pushed a big rack of frozen beef carcasses by So

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Speaker 1: I think they're moonlighting, you know, is a is a

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Speaker 1: beef carcass freezer the butcher. When I said I don't

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Speaker 1: know it's going on, I meant literally, I'm confused from

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Speaker 1: hypothermia setting in facting my brain. You're just generally confused

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Speaker 1: about everything. Yeah, well, it's it's cold, cold as age,

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Speaker 1: cold as heck. Chuck, Yes, have you my friend ever

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Speaker 1: had what's commonly referred to as a night terror. Um,

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Speaker 1: are you referring to a sleep terror or pavoor nocturnus

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Speaker 1: or axis one colon three oh seven point four six,

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Speaker 1: or uh possession by a demon? No? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I haven't either. I would probably remember, I would think

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Speaker 1: as a child having these, although not necessarily unless your

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Speaker 1: mom or dad said, hey, there's something really wrong with

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Speaker 1: your kid, well, it would have been a thing. In

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Speaker 1: other words, right, yeah, because yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna say thank goodness that we didn't have that,

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Speaker 1: but really thank goodness for our family, because when you

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Speaker 1: have a night teror sleep tear, you typically aren't capable

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Speaker 1: of forming any kind of memory of the event, certainly

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Speaker 1: of anything that's driving you crazy with fear. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: wake up, you're surrounded by your entire family who's like

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Speaker 1: sweating bullets with looks of terror on their faces, shaking,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, what's what's going on? Yeah? Where the pancakes?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say twinkies? But yeah, did you eat

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Speaker 1: twinkies for breakfast as a child? Well? No, I kind

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Speaker 1: of more imagine this happening at like two in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Got you. You know, nobody wants to cook being grabbed

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Speaker 1: twinkie pretty easy, I bet what would be good since

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Speaker 1: I recently invented the recy cat, all right, and people

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Speaker 1: actually ate them. Um, take a twinkie, get a pan

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Speaker 1: hot oh yeah, spray it with some or even better,

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Speaker 1: fake golden brown. Man, that'd be good. You know. I

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm joking. Of course I would never do that.

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Speaker 1: for that episode. But I don't think I've had too

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Speaker 1: many sense then either. But that sounds good. Well, you

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Speaker 1: as people probably say, yeah, chuck to seat twinkies all day. Well,

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Speaker 1: they call you twinkie behind your back. I don't fried

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Speaker 1: Mack having suffered night terrors as child. Yeah. See, people

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Speaker 1: science phasing out sleep? October? Is sleep that important? September two, Robust,

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Speaker 1: And here's another contribution. So we're talking night tears. Like

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Speaker 1: severely pedantic. But that's I was being unfair because adults

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Speaker 1: That's the stuff of nightmares, Like you've got the fight

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Speaker 1: up most of that ninety minutes to ten minutes, and

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Speaker 1: R E M is going to be less. And then

421
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: about halfway through your R E M is gonna start

422
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: getting longer and longer. In the cycle. Right, So the

423
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: second half of your sleep you're dreaming more. But again

424
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: it's the important point here is during stage three and four,

425
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: you're not dreaming. You're just out like a light. Yeah,

426
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: and I guess that what you just said before that

427
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: explains why I often feel like I, um remember my

428
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: dreams or dream heavier towards my waking hours. Yeah. Well. Plus, also,

429
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: if you are in R. A E. M sleep and

430
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: you awaken from it rather than awakening during one of

431
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: your other sleep cycles, you're going to remember your dream

432
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 1: because you're you're regaining consciousness, you're awakening. But again, your

433
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: brain has been on the whole time. You're just becoming

434
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: aware of what you were just thinking. So you're gonna

435
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: be able to form those memories when you're sleeping in

436
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: say stage three or four. Is we'll see you don't

437
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: form memories because your brain is not working like that. Yeah.

438
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: I probably asked you this in one of our dreamcasts.

439
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: But are you able to pick up a dream after

440
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: you've woken up and and it's something you want to

441
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, resolve or keep doing? Not really, I've gotten

442
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: pretty good at that, have you. That's pretty neat? Yeah,

443
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't it's not quite dream sailing like we talked about, um,

444
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: but I definitely like it happened this week. I was

445
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: having a dream that was great, and I woke up,

446
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: went and used the bathroom sitting down so I don't

447
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: wake up enough. And then I was like, all right,

448
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: and I just like think about nothing but that as

449
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I go back to sleep. Okay, where was I? Yeah,

450
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: I got right back in it. That's awesome, man, that's

451
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: pretty neat. But I'm still not which is the one

452
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: where you control the dream? Is that dreaming? I wouldn't

453
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: say that. I'm that's where you're like, and now I'm

454
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: going to fly watch this and then you fly in

455
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: your dream. Can't do that, all right? So those are

456
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the stages. Good extra info there by the way, I

457
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: didn't know that about the varying time cycle as you sleep.

458
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was sort of all equal. I bring it,

459
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: you do bring it. Um. So what they do know

460
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: about night terrors or sleep terrors is between three and

461
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: four stages. Three and four is when this is happening. Yes,

462
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: in other words, it part of it has to do

463
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: with this transition that happens between the stages. They just

464
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: don't know exactly why. No, And it doesn't really make

465
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: sense because both stages three and four are considered deep sleep.

466
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: It's just deep sleep and super deep sleep. It's something

467
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: during that transition can cause night terrors. Yeah, and the nightmares.

468
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if we fully said this. Nightmares occur

469
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: only during R E. M sleep, but uh, that's one

470
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: distinguishing factor from night terrors, and the fact that you

471
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: can you know, you can remember a nightmare. I can't

472
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: remember a night terror. Nope. You wake up and you

473
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: might still feel fearful for some reason, but you you

474
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: don't wake up and say, there was a beast in

475
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: my room trying to kill me. It's kind of like

476
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: how when you're watching Law and Order and you're like

477
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: super into it and like you just hate the murderer

478
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: in this episode, and then on comes like um, like

479
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: a Sharman ad and you're like this, why do I

480
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: feel so like mad? And then you realize, oh, it's

481
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: because I'm still keyed up from Law and Order. Same

482
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: thing with the night tear, Like you don't remember why

483
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: you're fearful, you just feel fearful. Still, it hasn't subsided.

484
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen that show, but I was hanging in there.

485
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: You've never seen Law and Order? Huh, No, that is

486
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: not possible. I don't watch many major network TV shows.

487
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Law and Order has been on for like twenty years,

488
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and you've never seen a Law and Order. No, they're

489
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: missing out. I've never seen cs. I've never seen any

490
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: of those shows. That's fine, you're missing out a little bit.

491
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: With lawn Or, it's a really great procedural cop drama.

492
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Now that's the one with Len that had Jerry or

493
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: back right, Lenny who? I love that guy. He's great,

494
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: But he's not the only one that's great. Like virtually

495
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: every single person who's been on this rotating cast has

496
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: done a great job. Didn't say by the Bell guy

497
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: get on there? Or was that another back? Yeah? Didn't he?

498
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: Eventually he was on one of those procedurals. He was

499
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: on a lawyer procedural with one of the guys from Clueless.

500
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Really yeah, the skateboarder from Clueless. What? Yeah? They were

501
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: like goofy lawyers. Oh no, no, no, that's a different one.

502
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about that. I don't. I don't

503
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: know if Zach was ever a cop. Oh no, I'm

504
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: thinking of Ricky Schroeder, didn't he end up on law,

505
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: Law and Order. Boy, this is one of those moments

506
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: where people are screaming at the computer right now. So

507
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't think it was long and Order, but

508
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it was something like that. I know what you're talking about.

509
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and we'll figure out.

510
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: You can be Ricky Schroeder and I'll be Zach right

511
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: ready to one. Okay, all right, So where we left

512
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: off was that they're not sure why it happens between

513
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: three and four. They think it has something to do

514
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: with what they call a snag in this transition. It's

515
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: pretty SCIENTI yeah, it's a snag, so yeah, pretty much

516
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: did I again? They think it has to do with

517
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: your central nervous system still growing. But I mean, that's

518
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: weird because it only happens in some kids, and like

519
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: that exploding head syndrome, it happens in just the same way.

520
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: So there's there's something amiss here. It can't it's not

521
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: just like a normal aspect of childhood, you know. So

522
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: that would mean that there's a snag in the development

523
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: of central nervous system that it was was could happen

524
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: in a certain way a certain prescribed way. Yeah, I

525
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Um, not at least one person does.

526
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: It does run in the family, um, seemingly or oftentimes. Um.

527
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Stress and anxiety can be a big trigger sleep apnea, Uh,

528
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation if you have migraines, UM, thyroid hormones being

529
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: produced too much, too much booze, a lot of booze. Uh.

530
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Maybe if you're sleeping out at summer camp or somewhere

531
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: else you've never been. Yeah. Apparently they have linked stressed

532
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: to it. Like I guess some parents have noticed that

533
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the kid has a particularly stressful day, they may be

534
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: predisposed of having a night tare boys stress on kids?

535
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: That's just heartbreaking. Well, it's also been to basically all

536
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: forms of abuse. Yeah, it leads to a higher risk

537
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: of night terrors. And they have found that if you

538
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: a small percentage of kids who experienced night tabors, terrors

539
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: might go on to have psychosis later in life. I

540
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: saw that too, So I saw like that that was

541
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: widely reported. There was one study that found it, but

542
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: it was a decent studies six kids, and it found

543
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that kids who have night terrors are eight times likely

544
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: or to experience psychosis later on in life, like you said, uh,

545
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: and they have found there it can develop along with anxiety,

546
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder, and depression. In adults. It can be co

547
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: morbid with those correct. I hate that word, but it

548
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: gets it across, it does. It's just feel morbid, just sounds.

549
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: You know. They should have come up with a different word,

550
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: like hygienic. Co hygienic. That's the word you hate, right, yeah, morbid.

551
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's one of those words that means

552
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: two completely different things. And why why do that just

553
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: have a different word. Well, let's come up with it

554
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: right now. I don't give me, give me some letters. No, okay,

555
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that was a wise decision. Um. They used

556
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: to give you meds. Uh. Nowadays they don't do that

557
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: so much. So I saw that in this article, but

558
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: I also saw elsewhere that they're like, nope, med's best

559
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: thing to do. If your kid has horrible nights, give

560
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: them valium, like basically benzo diazepines, which are things like valium.

561
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I think some antidepressants are benzo as a peans, but

562
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: something that will just knock you out and you're not

563
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a night there, or any kind of interrupted sleep.

564
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Apparently if it's bad enough, they will prescribe those. I'm

565
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: sure it's not like their go to like here, let's

566
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: give your kids these chemicals pharmaceuticals. But I think it's

567
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: um it's still on the table. And I saw this

568
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: report in a number of different places that um, there's

569
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: a reported case of some kid who had forty episodes

570
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: of night terrors in a single night. Wow, yeah, you

571
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: would give that kid valium? Holy cow? Yeah yeah, because

572
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: think about it, like, even if the kids not remembering

573
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: what's going on, that's still having like the fight or

574
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: flight effect forty times in a single night on its

575
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: little central nervous or central nervous system. It's not good.

576
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: So you'd be way better off just giving the kid valum.

577
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: Then one thing that um they found is that a

578
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: lot of times if you have two pepe that can

579
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: bring on a night terror if your bladder is really full.

580
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: Uh So what they do in that case is they

581
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: recommend you, um, wake your kid up a couple hours

582
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: into sleep and go, um take uh take the little

583
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: boy or girl to the bathroom, put them back to sleep.

584
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: And the thing that I saw about that, though, I'm

585
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: sure that that has something to do with it. But

586
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I also think that they are inadvertently following what's called

587
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: scheduled awakening, which is the the go to treatment for

588
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: night tares. Yeah, I mean it's exactly what it sounds like,

589
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: which is you try and I mean I guess you

590
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: have to time it out pretty well. Yeah, but there

591
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: apparently are very predictable. Like if your kid suffers from

592
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: night tears on a regular basis, they're gonna have them

593
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: at about the same time every night. So you just

594
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: wake your kid up like ten minutes before then you

595
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: like five seconds before that. You wait, um, you you

596
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: wake him up just ten fifteen minutes something like that

597
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: before they normally have a night tare. Um, give them

598
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: some water something like, tuck them in a little bit.

599
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: But you roused them enough that you are preventing them

600
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: from going into such deep sleep that they'll have a

601
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: night tare. So they kind of dipped down towards sleep, um,

602
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: but or towards that super deep sleep, but never so

603
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: much that they experience a night tare. But they're still

604
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: getting good sleep, better sleep because they're they're um not

605
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: experiencing the fight or flighters. Because I was wondering about

606
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: that about disrupting the sleep pattern. But if yeah, that

607
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a win win. Yeah, allegedly they're they're

608
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: still getting great sleep. Um. And I do want to

609
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: mention too with the bladder problem. I've said this before

610
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: in the show and it is my duty as always

611
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: to say it again. It was a late bed wetter.

612
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: And I always like to say this on the show

613
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: because kids out there that listen to this, if you're

614
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: late bed wetter, don't don't be ashamed. Nothing to be

615
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: ashamed about. It happens. It's hereditary. I went to bed

616
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: till I was wellve ish and no, it was about twelve,

617
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: and um, it was you know, a lot of anxiety

618
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: for a little chucky spending that out and stuff. So

619
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: if you're if you're listening out there and you're a

620
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: late bedwetter, just hang in there. It'll stop. And um,

621
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: hopefully you have parents that are understanding and friends parents

622
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: that are understanding. That's a big one. That's nice. Chuck. Yeah,

623
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed anymore. I don't think you should be.

624
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: I'll pee in front of anybody. Yeah, go to sleep

625
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: right now and I'll do it. Uh. And then you

626
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about this. Um. Scheduled awakenings are devices,

627
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: and I found one on a popular online retailer for

628
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty nine bucks. And what it is.

629
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Speaker 1: It's just a little thing that well I wasn't gonna

630
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: say the name, but sure it's probably Luly. Yeah, you're right,

631
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: uh it. Um, it's a It vibrates the mattress at

632
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: intervals to wake your kid up gently. Yeah. Well, supposedly

633
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: it also learns when your kid has so you program

634
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: in when your kid normally has a night tare through

635
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: an app, I believe, and then it starts to pay

636
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: attention and learn when your kid actually has them. And

637
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: then yeah, it vibrates and and it does the same

638
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: thing as a schedule of awakening device, so you don't

639
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: have to be bothered, just let the robot take care

640
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: of your kids. I looked at the reviews though, and um,

641
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: it got um eighty one percent either four or five

642
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: star ratings, which means, you know, when it was it

643
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: was something like this, that means it worked for them.

644
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: How many ratings I don't remember, I mean several hundred,

645
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I think, uh, and then eleven percent at um one star,

646
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: and again that just means it didn't work for them.

647
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Like when you read it, people like it's absolute garbage.

648
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: It didn't work for some people are like I would

649
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: have given it five but I thought the packaging it

650
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: came in was dumb looking. Some people do that, man,

651
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: because people the worst. So whether or not you're using

652
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: a device or you're doing a scheduled awakening like Flatliners,

653
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: it's all about the timing. I got a time it

654
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: just right right or else pointing no return two movie references.

655
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: They're remaking Flatliners, by the way, of course, with a

656
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: new generation starring Juneo. Oh really yeah, who else? I

657
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: can't remember. Keep for Southerland just signed on. But you know,

658
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: one of those deals where they bring him back is

659
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: probably the old The old weirdo sits under the desk,

660
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: that's my guess. Uh. And I wanted to talk to

661
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: about something I didn't know existed. Um sheets that keep

662
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: you cool at night. Apparently sometimes they think it can

663
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: be triggered by overheating. And people have found success with

664
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: these wonder sheets that I didn't know existed. So I

665
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: looked them up. Their sheets that keep you cooler. It's

666
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: like a sheet that's a giant fan well, it's two

667
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: to three degrees cooler to the touch. Nice wicks moisture

668
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: away like our favorite nunties. Um prevents absorption of heat

669
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: from lights of your bed sits in the sun all day,

670
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: and sleep during the day. I guess. Uh, you're a

671
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: little kid on the lead shift and three times more airflow.

672
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: So we have to get some of those. Give it

673
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: a shot. Nice. One of the other things I saw

674
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: that they think might trigger it is restless legs syndrome. Yeah,

675
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: supposedly there's a link with those two. The Jimmy legs

676
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: that'll keep you up. So there's a story. Should we

677
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: talk about this guy in Phoenix? I feel like we

678
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: talked about him in the sleep walking episode. Yeah, we

679
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: talked about people killing and sleepwalking episode. Like he's not

680
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the only one. Noah, I know, let's talk about him again.

681
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Scott the ladder for later. I'll bet we said the

682
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: same thing in the Sleepwalking Scott. His nickname is save

683
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: it Scott, save it for later. No, I mean sorry,

684
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be joking. He's in prison. Yes he Uh,

685
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: this was he Um. He stabbed his wife forty four

686
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: times and then held her head underwater in a pool.

687
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Swimming pool. So what happened is this guy got up

688
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, went out to fix

689
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: his swimming pool, um with a hunting knife as a screwdriver.

690
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: His wife wakes him up. And that's why we said

691
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: not to wake someone up, because if someone's gonna get

692
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: violent during a sleep terror, it's because you were trying

693
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: to wake them up. And apparently you're supposed to just

694
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: gently guide them back to bed. Yeah, she did not.

695
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: She apparently startled him. Uh. He stabbed her uh forty

696
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: four times and then tried to drown her. And his

697
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: neighbor saw this called the cops, and that was his

698
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: defense that it was a sleep terror, which you know

699
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: can occur with sleepwalking. Um. And it didn't work. The defense. Um.

700
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Basically the prosecution said their marriage isn't some rosy thing

701
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: like he said, Um, they're Mormon and she was trying

702
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: to kind of leave the church behind a little bit,

703
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and he was upset about that. He wanted to have kids,

704
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: more kids and she didn't. Uh. Defense said all that

705
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: stuff was true, but not really that big of a deal,

706
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Like it didn't lead him to snap and kill his wife. Um.

707
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: But that was his defense and it didn't work. He's

708
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: now in prison for life with no parole. Man. Can

709
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: you imagine though, if he really was just totally sleepwalking

710
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: having a night tare sad for everyone, Yeah, especially her.

711
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: I saw a BuzzFeed article actually called can You Die

712
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: from a Nightmare? And it was about this. Um, this

713
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: artist named Tobias Long hung himself in New York and

714
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: it's strongly suspected by people who know him that he

715
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: did it in the midst of a night terror himself. Yes,

716
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: he hunged himself. So you, um, you'll see during research

717
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: for sleep terror and night terror that it's harmless. In

718
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: any website where that's salt that saying this will have

719
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: an asterisk or will say but you can actually die

720
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: from it. People have fallen out of windows, people have

721
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: hurt other family members because, um, you can't have injurious

722
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: episodes is what they're called of night terrors, because you're

723
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: sitting there flailing, You're like trying to fight something off. Um,

724
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: You're you're again moving around because remember this comes during

725
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: stage three and four of deep sleep, where your brains

726
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: off but your motor function can still work, so you

727
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: can get up and walk around and feel fear and

728
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: be fighting stuff off. Um, but you're you're you're not

729
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: having a nightmare. You're having a night tear. So you

730
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: can harm yourself and others, so it isn't just a

731
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: totally harmless thing, which is usually what they say. Yeah,

732
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna get email else because you

733
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: said hung innut hanged there. Thanks for that, all right?

734
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: What's going on in the brain though, specifically, like they

735
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: don't know what causes it, but they know what's lighting up,

736
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: then it all kind of makes sense. Well, it's like

737
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: I was saying, like the when you're in stage three

738
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: or four, your executive function is off, but you can

739
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: still experience emotions like fear and panic and you can

740
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: still move around, but you're not you're have you have

741
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: delta brainways, so you're not thinking, you're not dreaming, you're

742
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: just your body is just doing something really bizarre that

743
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: it's not normally supposed to do. Yeah, so that's what

744
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: a night terror is. What what what's going on basically

745
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: is you can commit acts of violence because that's switched on,

746
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: but you don't have that an inhibition switched on, that

747
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: switched off. So what they found is what is happening

748
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: during a night gare. Is it's it resembles exactly or mirrors?

749
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: Is it mirrors or is that opposite? Mirror would be opposite.

750
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: It resembles what happens when someone is violent when they're awake.

751
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: All right, no inhibition going on? Executive functioning, ah off off. Yeah,

752
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: it's a really weird, dangerous thing. Luckily it's mostly just

753
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: in kids, but apparently in adults that can be really

754
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: bad because you know, adults can be muscular, they know

755
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: they're way around a knife. They can be little kid

756
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: it's just like you just hold them in place by

757
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: putting pressure on their forehead. Their little kids that are

758
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: more muscular than me. Remember when I used to lifeguard,

759
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: I'd see like it's like a little twelve year old boy.

760
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, that kid is naturally cut, like more than

761
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: more than I would ever hope to be. Hate those kids. Uh. Lastly,

762
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: there is an indie go go for an augmented reality

763
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: app called night Terrors that sounds pretty awesome and um

764
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: it's an app on your phone and it takes over

765
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: the flashlight on your phone, so you turn out all

766
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: the lights in your house and you walk through looking

767
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: at your house. The camera on your phone. That's how

768
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: you're looking at your house and it's lit by the

769
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: flashlight and everything, and all of a sudden, like a

770
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: monster will pop up, like out from around the hall,

771
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: your hall. It's just a really neat concept and apparently

772
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: they're executing it very well. What What is the whole

773
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: point though? To scare the Jesus side of yourself. It's

774
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: a horror game app but it's not really a game.

775
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: It's as you walk around your house and it scares

776
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: you to death. It's like Pokemon Go, but for creeps,

777
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: although Pokemon does for creeps too. There you go. I

778
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: didn't even know that was until yesterday. It's pretty new.

779
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: It's not that shameful. Given another weekend, it would have

780
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: been shameful. That's it, Huh. I got nothing else. Well,

781
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about night terrors, you

782
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: can type those words in the search part how stuff

783
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: works dot com, so it's like search parts. Time for

784
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: listener mail. Uh, this is about Gettysburg address. Hey guys,

785
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: thanks for the show. Uh. Not only do you all

786
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: address cool and interesting topics in a meaningful way, the

787
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: dynamic between the two of y'all adds a layer of

788
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Speaker 1: enjoyment that can't be can't be duplicated. Thank you, perfect

789
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Speaker 1: mix of seriousness and humor. Perfect. This guy's right up

790
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: our alley. Uh why I'm writing those I listen to? However, No, no, no,

791
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: this is good. I listened to the podcast on the

792
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Gettysburg address, and you mentioned all students across the country

793
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: pointlessly memorize this and other speeches, never really get what

794
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: it's even about. I can tell you I was one

795
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: of those memorized passages. Memorizing passages never ever helps anyone learn.

796
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: In high school, we not only had to memorize Gettysburg

797
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: Address Gettysburg, but Mark Anthony speech, which is what I

798
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: had to do, uh mcbet tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow soliloquy.

799
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: And in the month of April every year we had

800
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: to memorize a poem of our choice of at least

801
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: ten lines for National Poetry Month. They did it all

802
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: the time. And you know how many of those things

803
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: I remember now? Zero? Do you know how much I

804
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: can tell you about the passages and their meaning? Nothing.

805
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you what poems I decided to memorize,

806
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: although I think one year I chose an e. Commings

807
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: poem because it was technically ten lines but maybe a

808
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: total of fifteen words. Yeah, Matt, he's doing it right. Uh.

809
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: I like comming, so good choice. So I'm with you

810
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: all on how pointless this all is. Keep up the

811
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: great work. You have a fan for life, and that

812
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: is Matt from Richmond, Virginia. Matt Anderson. Thanks a lot, Matt,

813
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: much appreciative. We appreciate the support. You know what I

814
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: remember from that age or like ad jingles like I

815
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: feel like chicken tent Knight, Like Chicken tent Night. Yeah,

816
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: chicken tent Knight, and you don't remember schooling, but you

817
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: remember where's the beef? Yeah? And chicken tonight was good?

818
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: And I think I remember that it was just a

819
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: jar of sauce. Oh, but it's like a whole gimmick

820
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: around it just chicken, and you can have chicken tonight.

821
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: So in other words, cooking meal entirely made of other

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Speaker 1: sauce and pour this stuff on your family will finally

823
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: love you. And they also had one called beef Tonight

824
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: pork tonight. I don't think they did. I'm sure those

825
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: were playing, but they never did it. They're like, we

826
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: just can't get the sauce right, Who's ever created a

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00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: good sauce for pork or beef? Uh? If you want

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