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Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Ted Cruz. Week in Review

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Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you, and this week there were some

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Speaker 1: major stories that you may have missed it.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure you know about.

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Speaker 1: First up, in a shocking move, Biden and Harris have

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Speaker 1: expanded access for legal immigrants in Mexico trying to come

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Speaker 1: into the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: This as they lie and tell you. Now they want

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Speaker 2: a border wall.

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Speaker 1: And a secure border after claiming it was already secure.

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Speaker 1: We're going to break that down for you. Also, there

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Speaker 1: was an attack on Donald Trump at Arlington National Cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm talking about a political attack for him sitting

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Speaker 1: down to honor their loved ones that gave the ultimate

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Speaker 1: sacrifice for their country in the exit from Afghanistan. Well,

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Speaker 1: the gold Star families have come together to attack the

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Speaker 1: media and their lies.

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Speaker 2: We'll have that for you.

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Speaker 1: And finally, CNN doing something we haven't seen in years,

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Speaker 1: holding Harris to a cat on her lies on the

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Speaker 1: border wall footage now using Trump's wall in her own

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Speaker 1: campaign ads. It's the weekend Review and it starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Centat.

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Speaker 1: We have had so much news that's been breaking, and

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Speaker 1: we've been covering it on the show, but there is

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Speaker 1: a story that it combines with a story from a

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Speaker 1: little over a week ago, and there was an announcement

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Speaker 1: that happened about a week ago that the US government,

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Speaker 1: specifically under Biden Harris, have decided to expand access to

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Speaker 1: the Customs and Border Patrol one application into southern Mexico.

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Speaker 2: So, in other words, we're.

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Speaker 1: Expanding a program to bring more immigrants into the United

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Speaker 1: States of America. This happening while Kamala is also making

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Speaker 1: a move to accelerate the overall invasion at our southern

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Speaker 1: in favor of building a wall.

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Speaker 3: Understand, Joe Biden wants more illegal immigrants in America, Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris wants more illegal immigrants in America. Just about every

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Speaker 3: single congressional Democrat and the Senate in the House, they

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Speaker 3: want more illegal immigrants in America. They are actively encouraging, facilitating,

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Speaker 3: and accelerating the invasion at our southern border. They look

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Speaker 3: at the eleven and a half million illegal immigrants that

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Speaker 3: they have invited into this country and they view them

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Speaker 3: as future Democrat voters. Even so, even with all of that,

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Speaker 3: the story that broke this week. But and by the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you didn't see this on CNN. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you didn't see this on ABCNBC or CBS. But let

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Speaker 3: me read a headline. And the headline actually is from

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Speaker 3: the AP quote Mexico offers escorted rides north from southern

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Speaker 2: And here's the article.

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Speaker 3: Mexico will offer u S escorted bus rides from southern

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Speaker 3: Mexico to the US border for non Mexican migrants who

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Speaker 3: have received a United States asylum appointment, the government announced Saturday.

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Speaker 3: The National Immigration Institute said the buses will leave from

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Speaker 3: the southern cities of Villa Hermosa and Dapachula. It appeared

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Speaker 3: from southern Mexico more attractive to migrants who otherwise would

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Speaker 3: push north to Mexico City or the border. And here's

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Speaker 3: the nut graph. The announcement came one week after the

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Speaker 3: US government expanded access to the CBP one application in

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Speaker 3: southern Mexico. Access to the app, which allows asylum seekers

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Speaker 3: to register and await an appointment, had previously been restricted

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Speaker 3: Mexico is actively aiding and assisting the human traffickers. They

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Speaker 3: will provide bus rides throughout Mexico along with armed escorts

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Speaker 3: from police and soldiers to bring illegal immigrants to the

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris wants them to do this. This is right

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Speaker 3: after by the way, Kamala Harris is claiming she's going

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Speaker 3: to secure the border, but they just change the C

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Speaker 3: one app to invite even more illegal aliens. They want

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Speaker 3: eleven and a half million to be twenty million, to

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Speaker 3: if that happens, Democrats win every election forever and ever.

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Speaker 1: You also look at at the idea that Kama Harris

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Speaker 1: now is trying to be tougher on the border, advocating

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Speaker 1: for policies that Donald Trump has had. This is just

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Speaker 1: look at what they actually do, look at what they're

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Speaker 1: actually saying, and then you understand the game plan. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think part of so what Mexico's response here is, Hey,

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Speaker 1: they're hedging their bets, are they not?

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Speaker 2: That Donald Trump could win?

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Speaker 1: And then we can actually have go back to the

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Speaker 1: border conditions we had when he was the president. So

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Speaker 1: let's really accelerate and get as many people across the

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Speaker 1: but it also seems that they're number one person that's

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Speaker 1: working to facilitate this is the Biden Heirs administration by

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Speaker 1: expanding this program, and they're going, hey, you expand it

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Speaker 1: and will pay for the bussing, We'll pay for the escorts,

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Speaker 1: will pay for the trip. This doesn't happen without the

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Speaker 1: two countries working hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong that they both have mutual interest?

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Speaker 3: M Low, the president of Mexico, wants as much illegal

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Speaker 3: immigration as possible to go into America, and Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: wants as much illegal immigration as possible to go into America,

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Speaker 3: both for the same reason, which is to fundamentally shift

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Speaker 3: the policies of the United States of America and to

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Speaker 1: Well, let's also remind people of what Kamala Harris said

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Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty presidential debate. This was technically in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Being incarcerated for a couple of days is traumatic, much

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Speaker 4: less the weeks, months, and years that we're seeing that happen.

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Speaker 4: And so part of my plan is also a reduction

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Speaker 4: of that. And then also again what we need to

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Speaker 4: do about taking demilitarizing our schools and taking police officers

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Speaker 4: out of schools. We need to deal with the reality

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Speaker 4: and speak the truth about the inequities around school discipline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a woman, and I play this

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Speaker 1: because I think it's an important point. She says she

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Speaker 1: to have a wide open southern border. She doesn't believe

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Speaker 1: that illegal immigrants are criminals. This is a defund the

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Speaker 2: Borders, no law and order anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's our schools or the border or illegal coming across,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: This is what she's in favor of.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it is difficult to imagine a

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Speaker 3: policy that would endanger children more than pulling police officers

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Speaker 3: We certainly don't want our kids like like we would

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Speaker 3: That the number one way you prevent someone from committing

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Speaker 2: And yet, to the.

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Speaker 3: Radical left, if we just take all the cops away,

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Speaker 2: That's that's truly radical. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Over the holiday weekend, there was also a story, and

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Speaker 1: it's sad because it had to be broken basically outside

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Speaker 1: intering that it was Venezuela and migrant gang that did this,

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Speaker 1: and the video that we witness that went viral on

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Speaker 2: These are few others aren't supposed to have guns.

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Speaker 1: And then if you go back just a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: there was warnings that in Venezuela they had started to

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Speaker 1: So hey, we'll let you out of our system being

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Speaker 1: a drain on us, but you can't stay in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: You got to go to another country and sure enough

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Speaker 1: their consequences for allowing the members of society that are

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Speaker 2: To be law abiding citizens. The Daily Mail helped expose

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Speaker 3: Maduro, I believe is absolutely doing that. He is deliberately

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Speaker 3: sending criminals to the United States. He's sending murderers and

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Speaker 3: the same thing Fidel Castro did in the Mario boat

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Speaker 3: Why does Kamala Harris when they send Venezuelan murderers to

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Speaker 3: why does Kamala Harris release the murderers? And I think

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Speaker 3: there's no more important question in this election than that question.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a moment ago center that the media doesn't

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Speaker 1: like to cover these stories that are affecting Americans. I

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Speaker 1: want to end with this one, and it was a

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Speaker 1: actually tried to hijack not one, but two school buses

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Speaker 1: full of elementary and middle school students. The local media,

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Speaker 1: not the national media, covered this story. Here's what they said.

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Speaker 5: A group of migrants tried to board a school bus

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Speaker 5: to Oak Grove Middle School and Homul Primary. Meanwhile, yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 5: Border Patrol CCHP in the Sheriff's office have now been

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Speaker 1: Next This is a story that should be national news.

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Speaker 1: It's sad that we're the ones that are having to

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Speaker 2: The favarious reason may.

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Speaker 3: Be, Look, our families are in danger because Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: and Joe Biden and congressional Democrats have chosen to allow

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Speaker 3: It is a profound threat to public safety.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at some.

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Speaker 3: Point you can't make it up. Trying to kidnap school

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Speaker 3: buses full of school kids. That is, it underscores the

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Speaker 3: level of the threat. And it also underscores Look, as

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Speaker 3: you noted, the national media completely ignores the threat.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,

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Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcast

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Speaker 1: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, Senata.

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Speaker 1: I also want to talk about another story, and it

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Speaker 1: may be one of the most pathetic, vile attacks that

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Speaker 1: it was a fake story, a fictitious story that was

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Speaker 1: clearly I think drawn up a play by the Harris

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Speaker 1: campaign to, hey, let's make people not like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Let's attack Donald Trump for standing at Arlington Cemetery with

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Speaker 1: the family members of those that lost loved ones on

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Speaker 1: the pullout from Afghanistan, on that arbitrary date that Joe

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Speaker 1: We were literally taking orders from the Taliban at the

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Speaker 1: You see, these families come together, and this is not

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Speaker 3: Look, this was just a cynical attempt from the Kamala

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Speaker 3: contrast is striking. Give a listen, and remember this is CNN.

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Speaker 6: Tonight, K File investigates in a new report you'll see

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Speaker 6: first out Front. The K File team scoured Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 6: tweets and statements going all the way back to twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 6: and what they found was more than fifty instances of

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Speaker 6: Harris slamming Trump's border wall. But now new Harris campaign

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Speaker 6: ads actually showcase that very wall.

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Speaker 3: As a border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels

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Speaker 3: and jail gang members for smuggling weapons and drugs across

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Speaker 3: the border.

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Speaker 6: And on top of critical tweets, Harris also wrote in

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Speaker 6: her twenty nineteen book quote, there was a bigger reason

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Speaker 6: to oppose the border wall.

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Speaker 2: A useless wall on.

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Speaker 6: The southern border would be nothing more than a symbol,

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Speaker 6: a monument standing in opposition to not just everything I value,

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Speaker 6: but to the fundamental values upon which this country was built.

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Speaker 6: How could I vote to build what would be little

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Speaker 6: more than a monument designed to send the cold, hard

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Speaker 6: message keep out well p files Andre Kaczinski joins me. Now, so, Andrew,

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Speaker 6: I mean you and you all have gone through, I mean,

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Speaker 6: scoured an incredible amount of material. Tell me more about

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Speaker 6: what you found.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. We found more than fifty of those

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Speaker 7: those tweets criticizing the border wall before she used that

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Speaker 7: in her ad, and I want people to take a

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Speaker 7: look at just a few of what she said here.

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Speaker 7: She called it wasteful, useless, a waste of taxpayer money,

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Speaker 7: a vanity wall project, a wasteful border wall, a stupid wall,

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Speaker 7: a medieval vanity project, and an unnecessary wall. And those

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Speaker 7: are really just I mean, there were more of It

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Speaker 7: was just like ten or fifty, but there was really

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Speaker 7: there was really a lot of. This was the common

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Speaker 7: refrain during the campaign. You read that quote where she

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Speaker 7: said it was against everything that not only she stood

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Speaker 7: for everything, America stood aborder. But and she brought this

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Speaker 7: up a lot. Take a listen to just one instance

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Speaker 7: of that in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: It's the president's vanity project, his multi billion dollar vanity

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Speaker 4: project called a wall, is nothing more than a distraction

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Speaker 4: from the fact that he actually has it focused on

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Speaker 4: working people in America. He contrived in national crisis around

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Speaker 4: his big distraction.

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Speaker 6: All right, so you go through all of that, You've

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Speaker 6: got all the tweets, and yet all of a sudden,

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Speaker 6: in the ads there's.

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Speaker 2: Pictures of the wall.

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Speaker 6: And then you went through to look at that wall, like,

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Speaker 6: what is that specific wall that's in her her campaign ads?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 6: And you found something very interesting about this specific portion

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Speaker 6: of the wall.

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Speaker 7: And what's I think what's also really remarkable at this is,

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Speaker 7: like I mean, you heard her talking about it. There

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Speaker 7: the Trump's wall in his campaign. During his presidency, there

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Speaker 7: was really no greater symbol of Trump's presidency than the

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Speaker 7: wall in the way that Democrats were attacking him over

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Speaker 7: the wall and his restrictive immigration policies. So we looked

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Speaker 7: in that ad and if you look at it, that

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Speaker 7: exact area of wall is in Sasabe or Sasabe Arizona,

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Speaker 7: and that is a portion of wall that was actually

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Speaker 7: built by Donald Trump. It was built in an area

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Speaker 7: where there was not previous wall. Its actually pretty controversial

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Speaker 7: when they were building it at the time. So just

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Speaker 7: to see that, and then there are others he.

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Speaker 6: Was using his wall that he built to say look

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Speaker 6: at what I did basically.

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Speaker 7: And the other images of the wall we weren't able

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Speaker 7: to pinpoint, but there's there's telltale signs that that was

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Speaker 7: a Trump wall because there's an anti climbing plate on

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Speaker 7: top that became popularized during the Trump years.

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Speaker 6: It's really incredible reporting and important, right, Andrew Krisinski in

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Speaker 6: K file, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Now there's also another theory center, and that could be

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Speaker 1: they were just.

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Speaker 3: Hold on before the theories, before the theories. I do

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Speaker 3: want to take the very end the comment. It's really

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Speaker 3: incredible reporting. So actually, no, it's not. It's not incredible

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Speaker 3: reporting to say one nominee for president is spending millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars running ads claiming to support something that she

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Speaker 3: spent her entire entire professional career denouncing over and over

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Speaker 3: and over and again. Like, that's not incredible reporting. That's

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Speaker 3: called just actually doing your job that that is, in fact,

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Speaker 3: what reporters are supposed to do. And this is a

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Speaker 3: story that illustrates that her campaign is built on deception,

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Speaker 3: it's built online. Understand this goes back to why is

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Speaker 3: it in the six weeks since Kamala Harris became the

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Speaker 3: presumptive Democrat nominee, she's done precisely one media interview, actually

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Speaker 3: with CNN, the fake interview she did with Dana Bash

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Speaker 3: that we broke down. If you didn't listen to the

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Speaker 3: podcast analyzing the Dana Bash interview, you ought to because

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Speaker 3: it was not an interview, it was a campaign commercial

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Speaker 3: that protected her. But other than that, she's done no

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Speaker 3: media interviews. She's done zero press conferences. And it's because

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Speaker 3: her strategy is to hide from everything she's ever said,

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Speaker 3: everything she's ever done, every vote she's ever cast, to

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Speaker 3: hide from her record and instead to claim to claim

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Speaker 3: that she supports things she does not support. Now listen,

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Speaker 3: her left wing supporters are not upset that she is

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Speaker 3: running ads picturing the border wall. Why because they.

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Speaker 2: Know she's lying.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows she's lying, but CNN called her out and

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Speaker 3: and it that is in fact the job of journalism

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Speaker 3: to call people out when their record is directly contrary

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Speaker 3: to what they're saying the campaign trail.

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Speaker 1: You look at the CNN interview that you mentioned, and

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Speaker 1: that was my third. My third possibility is it really

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Speaker 1: seemed to do some damage to CNN. They were embarrassed

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Speaker 1: at how much they were called out for just propaganda

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Speaker 1: that night, even from putting live. You and I talked

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Speaker 1: about this putting up live on the screen when the

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Speaker 1: interview was taped.

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Speaker 3: So let me tell me something, Ben, so Ben, you

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Speaker 3: spent a lot of years as a paid CNN employee.

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Speaker 2: Yes, seven years in hell, so what I call it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said they were embarrassed. Do you think they

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Speaker 3: actually were embarrassed. I'm not sure they can be embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually curious about your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: So I actually think they were because they were just ridiculed.

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Speaker 1: It was daylight outside, it was primetime at night when

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Speaker 1: they aired it. It was obvious that it wasn't live.

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Speaker 1: And when you do something that egregious, I think even

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Speaker 1: people that are left of center are like, come on,

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Speaker 1: like really, like you think we're dumb enough to believe

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Speaker 1: that it's daytime right now while we're watching it at

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Speaker 1: night time and we're dumb enough to believe that it's live,

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Speaker 1: and we've already we already know it's been taped, and

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Speaker 1: it's been well publicized it was taped.

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Speaker 2: But I also think the other.

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Speaker 1: Part that hurt them and embarrass them was the interview

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Speaker 1: was incredibly short compared to what normal interviews of this

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Speaker 1: magnitude are. I mean, you look at the town hall

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Speaker 1: last night that happened with Trump and Hannity. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's solid hour plus on these things, and her interview

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Speaker 1: taped edited in the daytime, and then you know, claiming

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Speaker 1: it's live at night. I think that that is a

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Speaker 1: point where they're like, Okay, maybe we have to bring

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Speaker 1: the pendulum back here a little bit because we look

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Speaker 1: so much like we are a mouthpiece for a campaign,

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Speaker 1: and if she loses, that puts us in a really

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Speaker 1: bad situation.

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Speaker 3: Look, that's possible. And you asked a minute ago if

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Speaker 3: they're trying to cover their bases, you know, I actually

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm a believer in Occham's razor that

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Speaker 3: sometimes the simplest explanation is is the best. I actually

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Speaker 3: think in this instance, the dissonance, the the the contrast

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Speaker 3: between what Kamala Harris is campaigning on and what she

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Speaker 3: has said for her entire career. It is so massive

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Speaker 3: that I think they just ended up saying, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's let's say it. I actually think, even though they're propagandists,

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Speaker 3: it to see her embracing Trump's border wall is a

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Speaker 3: level at which, you know, I asked a minute ago

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Speaker 3: if they could get embarrassed. I think for a brief

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Speaker 3: moment in time, they actually wanted to be journalists. And

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Speaker 3: and and and I have a and and By the way,

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Speaker 3: let's be clear, this is a remarkable podcast and maybe

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Speaker 3: the only podcast we've ever done where twice now I

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Speaker 3: praise CNN.

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Speaker 2: I praise CNN at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Of the podcast for Jake Tapper's question of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: That was a real question. It was a good question, Jake.

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Speaker 3: It was a question a journalist would and should ask

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Speaker 3: and listen this story, this story is a question a

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Speaker 3: journalist would and should cover. By the way, has ABC

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Speaker 3: run the story? No, NBC, CBS, MSNBC Nope, Like wait

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Speaker 3: that they say their journalist, I mean CNN doesn't have

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Speaker 3: it exclusive. Do you think MSNBC knows that she's lying

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Speaker 3: when she runs an ad saying look at this border wall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well look, there's also another possibility that you and I

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Speaker 1: have been having this discussion. It could be this is

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Speaker 1: their way of slapping com on the hand for not

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Speaker 1: being radical enough, like no, no, no, we don't go to

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Speaker 1: border wall, and if you do it, we're gonna embarrass you.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to You're supposed to hate the border wall.

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Speaker 2: That's who you are.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna remind you of who you are, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make you look bad when you when you pander

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Speaker 1: this way on an issue we disagree with that. That

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Speaker 1: also could be part of what the executive producers at

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Speaker 1: CNN were so mad about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah look, maybe you know I years ago one of

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Speaker 3: my very first bosses, uh had had a bit of

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Speaker 3: advice for me that I think was really insightful, and

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Speaker 3: it was about government and it was never ascribed to malice.

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Speaker 3: What can be explained with incompetence in this instance, at

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Speaker 3: least to me, I'm not reading a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: machiavellian uh you know positioning in CNN doing this. I

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Speaker 3: think it was just there were like, holy crap, this

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Speaker 3: is BS. I hope that is. I mean that's actually

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Speaker 3: a human instinct, and it is an instinct of journalists

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Speaker 3: is supposed to have.

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Speaker 2: Now, maybe I'm being naive.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ben, maybe you're you're more cynical than I

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Speaker 3: am on this, and maybe I'm not cynical enough.

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Speaker 1: But wait, I would say this way. I wish that

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Speaker 1: I thought the way you thought on this. I just

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Speaker 1: think this is too big of a one to eighty

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Speaker 1: from them sucking up to Kamala Harris a week ago.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like what depends, yes, But to be clear,

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Speaker 2: it is different. Okay, it is different. Listen. One of

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Speaker 2: the reasons that we didn't talk about this, I think.

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Speaker 3: In in our podcast analyzing the Dana Bash fake interview.

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Speaker 3: But I do think a component is CNN desperately wanted

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Speaker 3: that interview, Like the Kamala Harris campaign put it out there, Hey,

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Speaker 3: we're going to do an interview with someone, and we

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Speaker 3: want to see who will kiss our ass the most.

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Speaker 3: If you're just doing it a little, no, that's not enough.

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Speaker 3: We want both lips full pucker. We want enthusiasm. And

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Speaker 3: I do think there was a level of just corporate

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Speaker 3: servility that we want this interview and we will abase ourselves.

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Speaker 3: We will abandon any pretense of journalistic ethics. We'll do

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Speaker 3: anything we can to get this interview. And so I

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Speaker 3: think it's easier in a story where you don't have

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, and particularly the context where they won't give

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Speaker 3: anyone an interview with Kamala Harris. When you don't have

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Speaker 3: her there, it is easier to actually run one real

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Speaker 3: story for three minutes out of the twenty four hours

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Speaker 3: a day you're on TV.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center,

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