1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: we're diving deep in a Minnesota's billion dollar fraud scandal. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: We're talking ghost meals. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Sham therapies, and kickbacks that allegedly funneled taxpayer cash to terrorists, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: all on Tim Walls's watch, with state in action fueled 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: by fears of racism due to the Somali community, which 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: is where this is all tied to. So joining me 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: to discuss it all and to dig into it all 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: and to expose it all is Dustin Gray. She's a 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Minnesota based up strategist. He's also a town Hall columnist, 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and he's a relentless Walls critic who has been sounding 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: the alarm on this mess from day one. So we'll 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: dig into all of it with Dustin Grays. Stay tuned. 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Well, Dustin, it's great to have you on this show. 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: You know we're joking before we got started at Tim 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Walls is keeping you busy here? 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, he has kick us off, walk us through. 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: There's this big fraud scandal that hit the state of Minnesota, 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: and the scale is extremely large. I mean we're talking 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: about up to a billion dollars, one of the biggest 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: fraud scandals we've seen in quite some time, and it 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: all unfolded under the Timwalls administration not doing anything about it. 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: So walk us through sort of big picture, what are 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: you hearing in the state and what do we know 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: so far? 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: Well, and I guess, honestly, Lisa like the biggest thing 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: right out of the gate there with the statement of 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: we're looking up to a billion dollars, I mean, frankly, 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: we're looking at billions of dollars. I think early on 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: with the RUFO report, you know the billions Zimber was 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: thrown out there not a lot of that is quite 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: yet public So then it's been lowered to a billion, 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: and at this point based on that reporting, but quite frankly, 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: US Attorney Joe Thompson, the former one, now he's on 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: his way out, just simply because we had a new 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: Trump pick come in. So so that was just the 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: current acting US Attorney General Minnesota. He had thrown out 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: the number of billions because that's currently what's under investigation 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: right now. The chargers haven't quite been brought for publicly 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: yet at this point, but there is billions of dollars 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: at this point, and that could be confirmed through the 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: different whistleblowers that have come forward to the Fraud and 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: Oversight Committee here in Minnesota. So that's been established in 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: the Minnesota State House under Speaker Lisa Damuth and now 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: the chair of that committee being Christian Robbins. Both are 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: actually governor candidates here ran in Minnesota. So fraud is 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: a massive issue here going against Tim Walls. But yeah, 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: the number is definitely to the tune of billions of dollars, 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, there's gonna be a lot more to come here. 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: And even some of those whistle blowers within DHS many 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: are probably familiar with the group that recently went very 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: ultra viral. They actually surpassed me as the most viral 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: Republican leaning tweet in the state history. My record was 55 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: twenty eight million views. They broke it with thirty five 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: million so far on THEIRS and that's where they came 57 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: out recently blaming Tim Walls one hundred percent for the 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: fraud that has occurred. And that same group had predicted 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: that by the end of when all of this is 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: kind of shaped out and done, and this isn't just 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: Somali fraud, but all of the fraud as a whole 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: within DHS. They predict the fraud could exceed six point 63 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: five billion dollars when we're all said and done with this, 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: just in the time that Tim Walls has been governor. 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: And so basically, you know what happened is, you know, 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: involves this network of Minnesota nonprofits primarily tied to the 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Somali community in Minnesota. Uh and you know they stole 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: these funds that were meant for child nutrition, housing, autism 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: therapy programs during the COVID era. I guess walk us 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: through a little bit about how the fraud worked and 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: what we know about the fraud. 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll actually bring us right back to the 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: very beginning, which is back in twenty fourteen. It goes 74 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: that far back. So back then there was a program 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: known as SEACAP and it's still active today. They've fixed 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: up a little bit of the fraud issues with that program, 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: but there's still plenty of it. But what this is 78 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 3: is a daycare assistance program in the state of Minnesota. 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: Was one of the very first ones kind of in 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 3: the Somali fraud realm. There were issues back then under 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: Governor Mark Daton at the time, and Republicans were calling 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: this out. This was a main campaign issue at the door. 83 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: As I had personally worked for the State Party at 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: the time, it was a big issue. We're bringing up, Hey, 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: this is something we just had to pay attention to 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: because we think this is going to be a problem. 87 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: And keep in mind I was knocking doors in Saint Cloud. 88 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: Everyone's familiar with Minneapolis, but Saint Cloud is the number 89 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: two hub in the state of Minnesota for Somali's a 90 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: massive population out there. Consider of the population and it 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, there was pushback when we came to the 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: with that issue because we were quote unquote targeting the 93 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: Somali community. 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: But that's ultimately where the fraud was coming from. 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: Now we didn't quite tie quite to the Horn of 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: Africa and terrorism at that point. Fast forward to twenty eighteen, 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: we actually had a whistle blower come to the State 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: Senate and claim that under sea cap there was money 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: being sentate overseas And come back to the Chris roof 100 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: Of report, how kind of this claim of well, it's 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: going to fund al Shabab. Chris references how that's being 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: done is through something called hualas so in the Horn 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: of Africa. It's a fairly unstable region in the world, 104 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: largely run by terrorists. They don't really have banks there, 105 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: they have these hualas, which are basically money brokers. So 106 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: if you're just simply sending money over to your family, 107 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: which you know it's a third world country, and even 108 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: if you're just a checkout clerk at a gas station here, 109 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: you're considered rich in that community. So if you're just 110 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: saying over back money to help family, and you know 111 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: you're doing it for all the right reasons, al Shabab 112 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: is probably going to take a percentage off of those 113 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: money broker deals, and then therefore you are funding terrorism, 114 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: not even if it's not directly and intentionally, you're doing so. 115 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: This was being brought back in twenty eighteen, and in 116 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: particular it was a suitcase filled with a million dollars 117 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: cold hard cash being sent over to Somalia. This is 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: what kind of ignited this conversation of WHOA, we're going 119 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: to fund al Shabab, and because we're catching the bank 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: wire transfers, they're now having to send it in cold 121 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: hard cash. This is when it really started to blow up. Now, 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: granted not to the levels it is now. The mainstream 123 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: media here in Minnesota maybe touched on this for a 124 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: week and then they forgot about it, and it's been 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: forgotten about since. Probably twenty twenty two is when it 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: really started to pick up again, because as an everyone 127 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 3: knows when he twenty comes along and then it just 128 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: blows up. A lot of people don't know it's blowing 129 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: up at this point, but everyone can guess why. There's 130 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: just absolutely no oversight on these COVID spending bills, and 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: it's going to all these different things. Now we're talking 132 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: about not just SEACAP, which is daycare fraud. We're talking 133 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: about autism fraud, food fraud being the biggest one, obviously 134 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: with feet in our future, we're talking about adult disability 135 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: fraud with assistance in that manner, and I'll cover a 136 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: couple of these in more detail, but ultimately at the 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: end of the day, that's where we kind of fast 138 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: forward into. Now we're touching into a dozen different programs 139 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars in 140 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: some of these and now when you total it all up, 141 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: billions of dollars at least a billion has been come 142 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: forward and confirmed charged fraud. 143 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, this. 144 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: Will end up being billions of dollars in fraud for sure. 145 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: Why did it take so long? Then? You know, I 146 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: mean this has been going on that long? Like how 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: did you know? What I mean? 148 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: Like? 149 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: How did it not get uh? 150 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: How did it not So even going back to twenty 151 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: fourteen there when like we're knocking out the doors, I'm 152 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: in Saint Cloud doing this in a Samali you know, 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: rich community, you would be accused of being a racist 154 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: because while you're picking on the Somalis very specifically, and 155 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, that's racist a lot. And I've been told 156 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: this from mainstream media journalists in Minnesota because a handful 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: of them are kind of in my pocket in terms 158 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: of like, hey, we appreciate what you're doing on X 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: and shine a light on it. You know, we can't 160 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: do it because you know, we bring these stories for it, 161 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: but our newsroom stops us, and then we can't do 162 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: it because our bosses say, no, we can't report on that. 163 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: They tell me that they're tired of being being accused 164 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: of being a racist simply for trying to do their job. 165 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 3: But that does happen very often. And if you go 166 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty two during the gubernatorial race that cycle 167 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: Omar Fetah is actually seeing recorded on video at a 168 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: feed in Our Future event saying how they had a 169 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: great victory in court on preventing the payments from being 170 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: stopped because they went forward to the courts and the 171 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: Walls administration on hey, you're racists for targeting a Somali 172 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: community organization. Basically, now, the head lady was white, but 173 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: seventy six of the seventy eight currently charged in this 174 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: Being our Future case are all from the Horn of Africa. 175 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: That's where they kind of come from. It's either Somalia, 176 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 3: Somali Land, Kenya, or Ethiopia. Those are the kind of 177 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: the four countries there that this is all concentrate around. 178 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, you would be ultimately acclaimed being called a 179 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: racist in the process, But you know, it's kind of 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: like this this toxic empathy in a matter, and like 181 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: that's just kind of how it ended up happening because 182 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: people just kind of let it happen because they would 183 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: be accused of being called a racist, and you know, 184 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I think that's the 185 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: ultimate underlying reason why it kept going. But yeah, as well, 186 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: there was just no say, no rail guards on any 187 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: of this stuff. In terms of oversight and the end 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: of the day, it definitely falls on the governor and 189 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: his administration for failing to see these warnings because Republicans, frankly, 190 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: we have been worrying about it for years. It was 191 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: just ignored. 192 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick commercial break more with Dustin 193 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: on the other side. And we know whistleblower complaints and 194 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: there were internal concerns raised at least as early as 195 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to twenty twenty, but Tim Wall's administration did nothing. 196 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: How much do you think he knew that this was 197 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: going well? 198 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: I mean, quite frankly, there are reports out there that 199 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: showed they suspected fraud in particular with fee in our Future. 200 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: That's why they very briefly stopped payments and then these 201 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: accusations of will your racist came out. Then they let 202 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: the payments kept going, and then they brought it to 203 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: court and let the court settle it. Well, the courts 204 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: are all owned by Democrats as well. And you know, 205 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: before I continue on that point, I'll mention that we've 206 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: actually had one of our cases was a state brought 207 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: case on these Somali fraudsters. It was a seven point 208 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: two million dollar medicaid fraud scheen run out of. 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: A peal box. 210 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: The jury came back after four hours of deliberation, Lisa, 211 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: they came back unanimous. This guy's guilty. Slap it shut in. 212 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: This case is closed. The judge, who was appointed by 213 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: a Democrat governor, came back reversed the ruling. They said, hey, 214 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 3: we understand this jury conviction was unanimous, and you think 215 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: this guy's guilty and with a beyond a reasonable doubt. 216 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: I'm reversing that decision. And now that's going into appeals 217 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: right now. So even in the one state case we 218 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: can find, they're actually reversing rulings on Somali medicaid fraud. 219 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: It's an absolutely insane but at the end of the day, yeah, 220 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 3: like there's just absolutely no oversight. And even when there 221 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: is a state broadcase so that's not pushed by the Feds, 222 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: we're overturning convictions right now on Somali fraud. It's absolutely 223 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: insane and you have to believe just everyone is in 224 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: on it at this point. 225 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Now a lot of these parents, i mean, recruiters are 226 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: paying you know, one hundred to three hundred dollars per 227 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: child per month to some of these parents to put 228 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: their children's names on fake rosters. You know, so a 229 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: lot of families in the community we're going along with 230 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: this knowingly. 231 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and that there is definitely cases of that 232 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: where you know, there's maybe community members, but honestly, a 233 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: lot of it is fake names and data births and everything. 234 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: Like when we're looking at feeing our future. There's a 235 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: case up in the I believe Bimidgie more Heady. It's 236 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: northern Minnesota. They actually had a case where someone was 237 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: you know, doing millions of dollars in fraud. I think 238 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: it was a little under two million dollars. But they 239 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: claim to have been feeding more people per week than 240 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: there was the population of the community, more than double 241 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: the population of the community on a weekly basis, that's 242 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: what they were claiming. And by the way, this was 243 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: like kids they were feeding quote unquote, so we're only 244 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: counting the kids in this instance of what we're actually 245 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: feeding with feeding our future for this case. But like 246 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: it's just so clearly overblown and yeah, and that's where 247 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: I was on that last point of walls. Actually, there's 248 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: an investigation that they did suspect fraud and they could 249 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: have done this, that they could have went in and 250 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: subpoenaed the bank records as well. They actually found that 251 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: they refused to subpoena the bank records, and then they 252 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: made this giant complain of well, we can't actually do that, 253 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: but it was later proved in that investigation they could 254 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: have and yeah, it just appears that this is a 255 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: giant racketeering campaign, whether it's intentional or not. Because also 256 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: the larger point of this is, yeah, Smali fraudsters. There's 257 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: only like one hundred thousand of them in this state. 258 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: It's small population, but they're committing over half of the fraud. 259 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: It's absolutely insane. But these fraudsters that are actually donating 260 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: to the Democrat candidates within these campaigns that are running 261 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: statewide and for state legislative offices. So it's essentially whether 262 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: it's intentional or not operating as a racketeering campaign of 263 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: money launtering government dollars to Democrat campaigns which are becoming 264 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: the judges and the state officials that are ultimately going 265 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: to go ahead and prosecute this crime. And we have 266 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: to wonder why is it only federal authorities that are 267 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: actually coming through and prosecuting the crime. Maybe Democrats are 268 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: in on this. I mean you have to believe that 269 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: at some. 270 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Point quick break, stay with us, feel like we are hearing. 271 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: Please share on social media or send it to your 272 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: family and friends. 273 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, is Wall's corrupt? 274 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: I mean I would say so, Now can we prove 275 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: it like in a court. You know, that's a completely 276 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: different water line on what we would have to actually prove. 277 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: But I mean where there's smoke, Where there's smoke, there's fire. 278 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: I mean, there's just too much here. And like people 279 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: made the complaints, Well, fraud's so much worse than California. Look, 280 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: we have tens of billions of dollars in fraud. It's like, yeah, sure, 281 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: but if you just take like La and San Francisco, 282 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: you have more people in two cities than the entire 283 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: state of Minnesota. I mean, the amount of fraud for 284 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: how little of a population we have, it's absolutely unprecedented. 285 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: I mean, we're by far the worst in the country. 286 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: It's not even close. And yeah, when you have trifected 287 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: Democrat control holding levers of power for every single facet 288 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: of the government, with the exception of just recently we tied, 289 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: and I just we tied the state House. Because of that, 290 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: we got the Fraud Prevention Committee that's run by Republicans. 291 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: We were able to get that in a broker deal. 292 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 3: Literally, the only thing operating in this state is just 293 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: simply putting a magnifying glass on the fraud. And it's 294 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: just blowing up right now, just simply for oversight on fraud. 295 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: Imagine if Republicans had a single body, let alone just 296 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: a majority on a single committee. I mean, it's unprecedented. 297 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: And you had just had to believe that Democrats are 298 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: in on this fraud, because otherwise it would be blowing up. 299 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: But it simply isn't because they have total control other 300 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: than this one committee that's putting a magnifying glass. And 301 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: because that magnifying glass is there, we're all talking about 302 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: it on the national level. Otherwise, if we didn't, nobody 303 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: would frankly know that this is even happening right now. 304 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: It's bizarre, but that's the truth. 305 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: And I think there's been you know, something like seventy 306 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: five plus defendants and the Feeding our Future scheme alone 307 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: that have now been charged by the Department of Justice 308 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: sort of you know, collectively. 309 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: But to your point, I mean, this is part. 310 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: Of like broader you know, fraud that we're saying with 311 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: the small community and in you know, the Minnesota area. 312 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: I mean, we learned back in September about Operation Twin Shield. 313 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: It was this ten days ser site visits and interviews 314 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: across Minneapolis Saint Paul area looking at over one thousand 315 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: high risk immigration cases and they found fraud, non compliance 316 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: or public safety concerns and about forty four percent of those. 317 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: Reviewed. 318 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: It led to you know, forty two ICE referrals, also 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: arrests as well. I mean, so, I guess what does 320 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: that tell us about the Somali community in the Minneapolis area. 321 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's not good, you know, And I people, 322 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: if you just touch the subject, you're you're immediately labeled 323 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: a racist. And honestly, I'm just sick of the bullshit. 324 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: So I'm just going to cut through it that, Yes, 325 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: this this is a Somali problem. Like when you take 326 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: individuals who have just been in civil war their entire lives, 327 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: and that's just. 328 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 2: Like the culture that you grow. 329 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: Up in, and then you import that in mass to 330 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 3: a single area and I'm talking like maybe three cities 331 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: and you just PLoP them in these three cities, in 332 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 3: particular Minneapolis, which is I'll push now to like some 333 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: suburban areas in Sane Cloud. I'm just based on my 334 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 3: other TWN Wilmer is kind of the third one, lesser known, 335 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: smaller population, but you just put them in groups and 336 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: then you're forced to not assimilate to a new culture. 337 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: I mean, there are city blocks and I've talked with 338 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: a couple of different bloggers since this is blown up, 339 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: they've come to Minneapolis and actually they're shooting documentaries right now. 340 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: I've got one friend who's going to have a documentary 341 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: coming out, and they actually had a Smali gangster run 342 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: at them with a gun. That's you're probably gonna see 343 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: that on a documentary coming up here soon. Because these 344 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: white people went in to a community where you frankly 345 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: can't go city blocks without a translator in some of 346 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: these areas. And when you're the only white person people, 347 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: especially with all this fraud kind of coming down, they're like, well, 348 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: you're not here for the right reasons. You're here to 349 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: expose all this fraud that's happening. You know you're gonna 350 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: come with some pushback against you when you go into 351 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: those communities right now, and you know, it was dangerous. 352 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: They actually left early halfway through the documentary. They got 353 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: plenty of content, apparently because they were happy with it, 354 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: but they ended up leaving earlier than they anticipated originally 355 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 3: because it was quickly spreading like, hey, these guys are 356 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: going around with a camera and they're not welcome here. 357 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: You know, it started to get dangerous after a while 358 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: for these guys. So when you're just forced to not assimilate, 359 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: you're just simply not going to adjust to the new 360 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: culture of where you're being dropped off at. And it's 361 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: become a problem now where yeah, where we have this 362 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: toxic empathy and if you just kind of take this 363 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: culture of I mean just quite frankly anarchy, because that's 364 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: where Somalia was when they came here. 365 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: They were in the middle of civil war. 366 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 3: Under a communist socialist dictatorship under Seat bar with these 367 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 3: clan wars on top of that, and we've honestly just 368 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 3: brought that back here. The funny thing I have mentioned 369 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: to some other podcasters here too and personalities is the 370 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: clan wars involved in this. People have asked like, well, 371 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: why aren't Samolians speaking up. The funny part is that 372 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: a lot of the whistle blowers are actually Somalian. It's 373 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: actually Smolians coming forward and saying, hey, we want to 374 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: get rid of these bad apples. The problem is they 375 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: can't actually even come out publicly and say it's them 376 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: being the whistleblowers on this fraud because they might be 377 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: a part of a clan that's connected to a member 378 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: of the community that's committing the fraud and it would 379 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: make their clan look bad and because of that, their 380 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: family will disown them and they so they can't actually 381 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: speak up publicly on this. They have to do it 382 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: through a whistle blower status. So it's just layer after 383 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: layer with this fraud stuff. And that is ultimately, at 384 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 3: the end of the day, why it has gone on 385 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: so long, because you also have all of these other 386 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 3: layers involved with the Somali fraud and that's where it's 387 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: gotten us today. 388 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 4: You know, from your experiences to what extent. 389 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: Do the people in the Smali community in the Minneapolis area, 390 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: do they assimilate at all or what have you seen? 391 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: Much less though in Minneapolis there's no question about that. 392 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: I mean in sant Claude and Wilmer. I think it's 393 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: much more so like you are a similarity more and 394 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: some people in Sant Claude might disagree with me on that, 395 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: but they haven't been to Cedar Riverside in Minneapolis. It's 396 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: a very different area there where, in particular, there's a 397 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: couple of city blocks where you're just not assimilating, just 398 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 3: like these are the areas where the mosques are and 399 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: you're just strictly speaking Arabic of some type or Somali 400 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: of some type, and you're not communicating with the outside world. 401 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: You just kind of keep to yourself. And if someone 402 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: comes at you with a camera and asks you, hey, 403 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 3: let's talk about this, you'll have women tell the interviewers like, Nope, 404 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: you're a man, I can't speak to you. Like there's 405 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: that level of not the ability to assimilate. Now, does 406 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: that mean it's everybody. 407 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: No. 408 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: I know plenty of people that have taken off her 409 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: jobs that they've moved out of the area and they're 410 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: working members of society and they do great work. They're 411 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: real entrepreneurs, not froudsters. Like there's very good people Like 412 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to lump them all in here, but 413 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: there is a faction that refuses to assimilate, and those 414 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 3: individuals are definitely a part of the problem when it 415 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: comes to this, because it's adding to these layers of 416 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: we can't unveil the fraud because there's no ability to 417 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: actually assimilate with this culture. And ultimately it adds to 418 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: these layers of how the fraud can stay hidden for 419 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 3: so long. 420 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: Well, so you think people, you know, generally find it 421 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: wrong for us to be gracious enough to allow people 422 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: enter our country and then they steal from us as 423 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: evidence by this fraud scheme, or you know, they engage 424 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: in immigration fraud either, you know, either way, they're taking 425 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: advantage of the kindness of the American people. 426 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 4: You know, I know President Trump is you know, cracking down. 427 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: He is announced with the the TPS and blanking on 428 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: the what it stands. 429 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: For TPAH the temporary protective Yeah. 430 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, said yeah, sorry, I had it written down, 431 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that didn't have in front of me. So what do 432 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: you make of that and sort of what impact do 433 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: you think that might have? 434 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I mean temporary protective status. It's a 435 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: very small popular I mean, we're talking about four hundred 436 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: Somalis maybe in the minnieapp in the Minnesota area. There's 437 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: you know, another couple hundred there across the nation that 438 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: are under that status. It's a very small amount. But granted, 439 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: the argument I have for this on why that should 440 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: be removed is simply temporary protective status. The word temporary 441 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: that has been in place for thirty There's nothing temporary 442 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: of that being around my entire lifetime. I think there's 443 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: like a month difference between it being established in my birthday. 444 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 3: There's nothing temporary about that. I mean, you have to 445 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: remove that. And people also have to ask, like, Okay, 446 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 3: if it's still so bad there in Samalia thirty four 447 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: years later, you're like, how is this culture supposed to 448 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: assimilate to us. I Mean the answer very clearly is 449 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: we can't accept more refugees from there, because we're only 450 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: going to keep adding to this pile. Because you will 451 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: have like, yeah, second and third generation famalies that are assimilating. 452 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: They're going to school, they're learning English, they're getting real 453 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 3: jobs out there. You know, good good individuals in the community, 454 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: and quite frankly, some of them even converting to Christianity. 455 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: They're like, you have that in some cases, but when 456 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: you keep bringing people over from Samall, you're kind of 457 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: restarting this clock again. And this is a problem like Italians, 458 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: you know, like came over to New York so many 459 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: years ago, like you had the mob and all these 460 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: other things, and they even had issues assimilating. But now 461 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: you're just like resetting the clock every time time you 462 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: bring over new some allise that refuse to assimilate, and 463 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: so you're just inlonging the problem as we refuse to assimilate. 464 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: So it's a big issue there. But TPS, you know, 465 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: it's more of a retalitary thing in my opinion, which 466 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: honestly fine, like it's temporary stats. We have to remove 467 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: this at some point. We have to eventually remove ourselves 468 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 3: from it. But at the end of the day, Alisa, 469 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: the big thing the Trump administration has to hit on 470 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: and they are, by the way, like I have some 471 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: individuals from the administration who are you know, letting me 472 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: know some of this info, Like they're going to start 473 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: cracking down much heavier on the small community here in 474 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: Minnesota because of this fraud. They feel like we're being fleeced, 475 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: and rightfully so we are. And a lot of these 476 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: assets even that have been stolen at this point, like 477 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: we can't get them, Like they ship the money off 478 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: already in many cases, so like yeah, you put a 479 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: ten million dollar judgment against someone, Well they already they 480 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: already the money overseas. It's already over in El Shabab. 481 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: It's already been funding things. They've already bought mansions in Kenya. 482 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: We can't get that back, you know. So there's major 483 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 3: problems here and ultimately, like we have to send a 484 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: message at some point that this has to stop. And 485 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: that's what the Trump administration is doing and the way 486 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: we can do that. First two steps denaturalization, what are 487 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: our pasts. They're currently in our toolbox. Denaturalization pretty much 488 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: confalled to two categories right now. One, you have a 489 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: terrorist association. There's probably some out there. I think we 490 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: should crack down on those. If we have terroists in 491 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: our country that are sympathetic to that, or they're sending 492 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: money directly to El Schabab, they got to get out 493 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: of here, send them back. Number Two, you committed immigration fraud, 494 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 3: You lied on your paperwork, different things like that. There's 495 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: a kind of a famous one out there that people 496 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: might be familiar with. A lot of them are married 497 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: your brother. I'm just saying, what a great message, A 498 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: strong message that would be like, hey, we don't care 499 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: the level of power you have a member of Congress, 500 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 3: if you committed an immigration fraud, you're going home. And 501 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: I think they should make that decision. And I think 502 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: they should fall through that because we know she married 503 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: her brother. We know this for a fact. The one 504 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: problem I think, well, there's two problems won the political 505 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: part of it and the kickback that you'll get for 506 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 3: de Porti nilan omar the two statute limitations. But she 507 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: has carefully committed perjury in multiple cases. That can kind 508 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: of revert that back and brand forward. But if you 509 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 3: committed an immigration fraud, you should also have to go 510 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: back home. And then the third point, we have to 511 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: go back to Congress and ultimately add some new ways 512 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: we can denaturalize individuals. And you know, a great one 513 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 3: would be, hey, you've committed millions of dollars in fraud, 514 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: or you are a violent crito. If you're within a 515 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: certain statute of limitations and you do these crimes, you 516 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: should also have to go back. So we should create 517 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: new ways to find denaturalization processes. Because if you're refusing 518 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: to assimilate, and you're a violent criminal, and you're committing 519 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: fraud and you're doing all of these things, you should 520 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 3: have to go back. And we shouldn't have to have 521 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: the good Somalis that are here, because there are good 522 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 3: ones there, really are. They shouldn't have to be punished 523 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: because of your bad behavior. So let's stop really saying 524 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: the clock. Let's find new ways to do to a 525 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: path of denaturalization and find a way for these good 526 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: Samalies to actually have a life in Minnesota and have 527 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: a life in the United States who are proud to 528 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: be Americans. 529 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I mean, there's a lot of good people. Ever, 530 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 4: we just can't take everyone in. 531 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I wonder how frequently President Trump 532 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: thinks about uh elon Oma. 533 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: I could tell you fairly often. There's some good friends 534 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: within the Republican Congressional delegation here in Minnesota, and they 535 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: tech Trump frequently, and he definitely has a magnifying glass 536 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: on Minnesota right now, and yeah, he's going to crack 537 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: down hard on it coming up here. Steven Miller is 538 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: also very passionate about this, and Minnesota's I think We're 539 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: just very happy that the attention is finally being brought forward, 540 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: and you know, we can fix some of these issues 541 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: that are very clear and glaring right now. 542 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, we'll stay on top of it. 543 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: Dustin Graige, appreciate you for making the time to come 544 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: on the show. 545 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: Awesome, guys, that was Dustin Grage. 546 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show. 547 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. 548 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 4: You can listen throughout the week. 549 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: I also want to think John Cassio, my producer, were 550 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: putting the show together until next time.