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Speaker 1: This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening Hunt don't

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Speaker 1: meet to eat podcast. You can't predict anything. So Johnny,

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Speaker 1: there you are. The clock's ticking. You are. You just

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Speaker 1: can't get it done. You got in the evening, hunt morning,

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Speaker 1: hunt left. No. I can hunt tomorrow evening, possibly another evening.

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Speaker 1: But you just can't get it done. If we don't

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Speaker 1: don't care what my responsibilities are. I'll just be in

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Speaker 1: the woods. You just can't get one. Meanwhile, I've gotten

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Speaker 1: to turkeys. Mm hmm, dogs gotten to turkeys. Is that really?

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Speaker 1: How are you gonna paint this? I feel like you're

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Speaker 1: being a little a little harsh on me. Well, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten I haven't gotten into the details yet. I'll come

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Speaker 1: to your rescue. Yeah, I was trying to make for

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Speaker 1: the for the listener. I was trying to paint like

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Speaker 1: like a dramatic. So people at home, right we're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Johnnie, and they get all excited and worried,

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Speaker 1: and they have an enhanced listening experience. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, Let me ask you this, has the

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Speaker 1: up thought entered your mind? Are you starting to grapple

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Speaker 1: with the idea that you may not fill your turkey

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Speaker 1: tag your Wisconsin Zone one season see turkey tag? Not

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Speaker 1: at all, because this morning at daylight, we were exactly

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Speaker 1: halfway through our hunt. We had four days this morning

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Speaker 1: when I started, I had two left, a lot of

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Speaker 1: at about this time after the morning hunt, if I'm

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Speaker 1: Now the second thing is have you um are you

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Speaker 1: have you entered into Jake time yet? Yes? Now? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Jake is a is a one year old male turkey. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe not even quite Jake when you like, when you're

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Speaker 1: hunting the spring season, right, yeah, you might be catching

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Speaker 1: him at eleven months of age. Okay, depending on how

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Speaker 1: the season falls like. Generally, spring turkey seasons are comprised

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Speaker 1: average out spring turkey hunting, I think you'd probably wind

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Speaker 1: up like you like. Most turkeys in the country are

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Speaker 1: one spring, once his egg hatches and he is in

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Speaker 1: his first spring. He's got a little teeny teeny beard,

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Speaker 1: which is the it's a feather the girls out of

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Speaker 1: their chest. Now a big rope drag or like the

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Speaker 1: one I got. We'll have a beard that's twelve inches long.

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Speaker 1: But a jacob have a little dinker beard that's anywhere

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Speaker 1: Doug shot like a big stomper. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: that Jake so so years ago I was in the

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Speaker 1: Philip Means and I went to see cock fights, and

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Speaker 1: you know the chicken fights with his spur right when

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Speaker 1: you hear of a cockfight. What they do is they

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Speaker 1: enhance the spurs with these big long sickles, these big

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Speaker 1: have a little nubbins, a little nub that looks like

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Speaker 1: not Jake's don't have any right, No, they always have

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Speaker 1: had a little nubbins. Not as big as dougs of

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Speaker 1: the nubb but not as big as dougs nubbing dogs.

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Speaker 1: Snubbing was like a half inch of it. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking as turkey nubbing h on a platter. So Doug

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Speaker 1: But now I got two turkeys. Um, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: when someone has zero, I don't know how to do

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Speaker 1: like mathematics to talk about how many more I have

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Speaker 1: Or you killed turks that have the spurs busted, which

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Speaker 1: I've killed. I killed broken, busted spurred turks. But in

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Speaker 1: this fertile farm country, deep rich loamy soil, they they

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Speaker 1: years ago for the misses, I took a hack saw

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Speaker 1: and hacksawed off some I don't remember where I killed

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Speaker 1: like like like rhino ivory, rhino every black what I

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Speaker 1: imagine rhino ivory to look like, it's what these look like, black,

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Speaker 1: beautiful like black pearls. Okay, hack saw them off and

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Speaker 1: him take those little pieces that they set gemstones in

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Speaker 1: or something like that. But it's those turkey spirits, beautiful earrings.

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Speaker 1: mam so like an inch plus spur is a big

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Speaker 1: The spurs can be so sharp if you walk up,

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Speaker 1: like when you first hit a turkey in the head

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Speaker 1: um his life he's dead, like his life force has

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Speaker 1: lot of jumping around, um and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: get injured from those spurs by running up to grab

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Speaker 1: one time my mother's hunting bears. My brother Danny, and

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Speaker 1: just trying to clarify to Jake's now also a Jake

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Speaker 1: So what what you waited? You weigh your big turbot Jake?

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Speaker 1: What he weigh out at? Uh, just under fifteen and

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Speaker 1: Now the rope drag, I killed pounds four ounces? Why

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Speaker 1: jealous shake it well a little bit, I guess. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: important part, and this is what Yan He's gonna speak to.

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Speaker 1: Here's the important part. Jake's are um gullible, so Jake's

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Speaker 1: will gang up with other Jake's and hens don't want

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Speaker 1: they run around little groups to Jake's three Jake's nine.

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Speaker 1: Jake's run around little groups just dying for like attention

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Speaker 1: from other turkeys. If they go to a big gobbler,

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Speaker 1: Hens won't do it with him, and they're just around

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Speaker 1: of these reasons um size goal ability, some people will

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Speaker 1: not shoot Jake's. I do not have this problem, but

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Speaker 1: which is, don't pass up on the first day what

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Speaker 1: You don't want to have a little turkey starfry or

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Speaker 1: and he's been on another states. Yeah, so feeling a

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Speaker 1: I've had that, you know, I mean twice with Dog

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Speaker 1: shot more non Jake's and Jake's. Yeah, for sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: go out now. This morning I went out and purposefully

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Speaker 1: So it's not like I like put together playing to

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Speaker 1: those Jake's and call him in and get one. So

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Speaker 1: it's not like you deprive yourself of the experience of

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Speaker 1: of of matching wits with a slile Tom who's not

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Speaker 1: actually that old because a two year old turkey is

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Speaker 1: Now this this varies a lot, but I got a

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Speaker 1: turkey bill just this one's telling me seventy of the

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Speaker 1: eggs that get hatched, they get sorry. Of the eggs

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Speaker 1: that get laid get destroyed. Now, now the female will

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Speaker 1: if she loses the clutch eggs, she'll go having you know,

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Speaker 1: a second clutch, So she gets a couple of chances.

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Speaker 1: But seventy five about like you know, just the generay

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Speaker 1: to think about this, seventy five percent of the eggs

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Speaker 1: year of age seventy five About seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: the turkeys of this about of Jake's will not become

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Speaker 1: rope draggers because attrition, MHM death. Everything wants to kill turkeys,

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Speaker 1: That's why they get paranoid. It's like the minute they

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Speaker 1: saw the uh saw skull cap off and screwed to

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00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: a board. Now, Doug, what's your feeling on shooting Jake's?

425
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: I shot one so like, but but what's your feeling

426
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: on it? Because you passed a bunch of Jake's up once.

427
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: So but we have talked about that once. That was

428
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: the first time you passed Jake's in your life. No, no,

429
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: just the other morning. You've passed up other Jake's in

430
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: your life. Yes, because they're not good enough for you.

431
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: Uh No, because similar circumman, it's only happened twice before.

432
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: So it's not like I have this vast experience of

433
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: turkey on jake passage. But uh we saw the scroup

434
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: of Jake's that I eventually shot one from come across

435
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: the field and you know, you looked at it through

436
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: the through the knox and he goes the one that's

437
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: by itself kind of on the outside is a bigger one,

438
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: what do you think? And we talked about it, and

439
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: they came into the decoys. We still had a gobbler

440
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: in the tree a hundred yards of the other direction

441
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: that we thought, if that's right, A big reason that

442
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: that pass happened to the morning is because no more

443
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: than a hundred yards away there was a gobbler hammering,

444
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: and we and he was still in the tree late

445
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, and we figured if he landed on

446
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: that strip of you know, basically grasp between the woods

447
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: and these pines that we were set up in, he

448
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: would for sure look down there and cr decoys and

449
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: those Jake's Jake's coming in there and start a fight

450
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: and they're you know, fighting Perrin and making noises and

451
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: we're like, We're like, it's gonna happen. But I think

452
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: if we should point out because earlier I was trying

453
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: to like catalog the things that distinguishes Jake from a

454
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: from a Tom, like a mature tom. One of them

455
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: is a mature time can gobble like a good robust

456
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: gobble that you will like part your hair, right, And

457
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: Jake has kind of a little like a goofy kind

458
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: of gobble. Yeah, and a lot of times they don't

459
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: make any noise. Yeah, this week we haven't heard of

460
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: Jake gobble yet. I think it might just be too

461
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: early in the season. You know, they're not just quite

462
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: feeling like what you're saying. He saw some Jake's gobblin

463
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: earlier there, You did you tell me that? No, he

464
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: was telling me that that he was telling me. He

465
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: was telling me that those Jake's, yeah, not all of them,

466
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: but that one that one did. Like if a normal

467
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: gobbler goes gobbl gobbl, gobl gobble, this dude went yeah.

468
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: So when Yanni says that he could hear off, so okay,

469
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: the night, explain what happened, how you went out the

470
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: night before all that. Just just tell people the whole

471
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: deal like you're trying to do, like you're giving someone.

472
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: We weren't hunting because it was the night before the season.

473
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Here was the night before season. Here in Wisconsin, they

474
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: have six nine day, seven day, six seven day seasons.

475
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: We're here for season C and uh we got here

476
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: the evening before and we had just enough time run

477
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: out and try to roost a bird rooster, Tom, which

478
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: means you brought up something. I want to explain that

479
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: instead of just having turkey season right where people's heavilized

480
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: as you go hunting turkeys, Wiscotts breaks everything up A B, C,

481
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: D than what E as it goes. So it's like,

482
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be like you gotta know what

483
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: week you want to hunt turkeys, A, B and C

484
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: your heart like A, B, and C sellout D, E, F.

485
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Generally you can keep get more tags people like. Generally,

486
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: like if you're a nonresident of Wisconsin and you send

487
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: in your application, if you put down C, you'll get

488
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the C. If you put down B, you'll get beat

489
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: out by residents and won't get an award or a tag.

490
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Probably if you do eat, you're guaranteed you're virtually guaranteed

491
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: that you will get a turkey tag to hunt. And

492
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: people want to go earlier because they think all the

493
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, rightfully, So a lot more birds are still alive.

494
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: There are more turkeys alive at the day one of

495
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: season A than there are the last day of season

496
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: F by by a long shot. Sometimes it's made fifty

497
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: in this stay. Yeah, there's fifty thousand more times alive

498
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: when A starts in their are when F ends, and

499
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: they haven't been educated by uh, you know, people in

500
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: the woods making them up. So yeah, so when we're

501
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: talking about season see, that's what we're talking about. It's

502
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: like it's like the earliest season that uh that uh one,

503
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: it's the earliest season that non resident can draw and

504
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: also it's the earliest season that once tags go on sale,

505
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and they sell excess tags. It's the earliest season that

506
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to buy an excess tag for

507
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: and they sell out quickly. Like we were on the phone,

508
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: ion see tags, I got one. I was on the

509
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: phone with Yanni. He's hitting like refresh, and he never

510
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: got one. They had sold out by that the second tag.

511
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: So I have two Season CE tags because I got

512
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: one through the lottery and one through buying excess tags.

513
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: And Yanni got one through the lottery and was on

514
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: a phone call and ship and missed the first couple

515
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: of minutes of the excess tag sale and then they

516
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: were gone. They're sure, we're That's how I got the

517
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: second one. Also, um, so if you apply for Season

518
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: CE in Wisconsin, at least in his own one, you're

519
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna get a tag. Yeah when you if you apply

520
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: in December tenth deadline and all of that. So I

521
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: was just telling listeners. Yeah, and I wonder if if

522
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: that's the case with UH with season B two. No, No,

523
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: you won't a non resident won't draw B second year

524
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: because you get a point. Yeah. But here's how it

525
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: works is if you if you're willing to not this

526
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be boring a ship for people. But listen,

527
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: if you're willing to not hunt and you put down

528
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: first choice, BE no second Choice on your application, then

529
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you would get a bonus point. But they pull your

530
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: bonus point as long as they send you a tag.

531
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: So I thought I had accumulated bonus points in Wisconsin

532
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: by applying first choice, be second Choice C they would

533
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: send me my tag. But I thought since I didn't

534
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: hit my first choice, I get a point and I

535
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: call because it's showing that I have no points, and

536
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: they said no, because you got a tag. So what

537
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: you have to do is you have to put down

538
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: BE no second Choice, not get a tag, and then

539
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: call them buy an excess see your D tag, and

540
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: then you'll accrue a point to help you get a B.

541
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: That is way more complicated than it should be. No,

542
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: it's not. I love this stuff. It's pretty easy. The

543
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: reason I like all this stuff is because it favors

544
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: the It favors the serious. I like anything that may

545
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: sit that last minute jackasses right the last minute, like

546
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: oh you know, I don't know my boddies are going.

547
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I decided like and to keep those people out of

548
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: the woods, and favors people who are obsessive. I think

549
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: it's like a good thing. If they made a rule

550
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: you have to be able to do push ups to

551
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: get a turkey tacher, Like, okay, sure, why not any bear?

552
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but any barrier to entry, And I don't

553
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: mean physically. That's not fair. I take it that back.

554
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: That was an awful thing to say. But sending it

555
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of paperwork in a in a stamp,

556
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: it's not like it's like you're going out to kill

557
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: a big giant bird. It's like, it's not that bad

558
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: you gotta do, like sending a form stating your intent

559
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: to hunt. I just checked that landowner box. That makes

560
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: it easier, does it? Yeah? I get whatever season I

561
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: want because you don't land It's like the European system.

562
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you ever catch a little robin hoods out here

563
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and hang them? I got a couple of them sitting

564
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: here right now. So I run up to the top

565
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before dark to roost the teve of season scene,

566
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: which means that you go out there in the evening

567
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: and you make some sort of loud, obnoxious sound, usually

568
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: the call of a barred owl coyote crow slammed the

569
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: truck door, scream yell um, yeah, yeah, we've shocked him

570
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: up by going hey, yeah, you could blow on the

571
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: elk bugle. Kevin Murphy's horn was sure as hell. I

572
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: have heard bird shot gobble from coyotes, car horns, crows,

573
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: sonic booms from aircraft, um dogs barking, my brother Matt screaming, uh,

574
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: coyote yips. I used to take an elk call a

575
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: bite and blow elk call and just make a heinous, loud,

576
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: high pitched sound of that and shot gobble him up.

577
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: Will Primos says that, so says the wider turkey shot got.

578
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: His answer is it's just them saying this is my

579
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: time of the year. I like that. Yeah, roosters crowing,

580
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: pheasant roosters, geese, ducks, shotguns, shots, shotguns, shots, trucks going

581
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: over rumble strips, but not every time. Every time today

582
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: when you there were crows making noise all along that ridge. Yeah,

583
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: but I do what's called the power crow right in

584
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: my ears ducks. I thought I got a shot, got

585
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: a lot of him, and he's looking for Morrel's and

586
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: I ripped out a power crow into his face without

587
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: getting my heads up. So there you are, Johnnie. Yeah,

588
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and you're trying to put one to roost. Yes, and um,

589
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to get all my I like the least

590
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: calls I can have on me, the better. So one

591
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: day maybe I'll be able to make a hand sound

592
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: with my own voice. Can't do that yet. Yeah, I

593
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: carry one shot gobble thing. I used to carry an

594
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: owl and a crow, but I just have good luck

595
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: with my crow. Yeah, I have tokyo because I can

596
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: it can it can? It reaches out the farthest, you know,

597
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it really reaches out there. But I

598
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: gave him myer do it for real? Any one thing

599
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: would be too loud. I'm not claiming to be a

600
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: good barred owl. The thing I want I want, like

601
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't at the risk it interrupt in your tail.

602
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. A lot of turkey hunters are like

603
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: really obsessed about these realistic shot gobble sounds. You're right,

604
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: You're right. I don't think it matters. No, it doesn't

605
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: matter to the turkeys. You go on YouTube, dudes like

606
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: exactly like, oh yeah, it a bart owl. It's like

607
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: they don't. I just want to was that a real

608
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: shotgun shot or a fake shotgun shot because I might

609
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: shot gobill. I want to impress my buddies and what

610
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: I like and Pat can attest to this is today

611
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: I had a bart owl respond to me. So it's like, great, no,

612
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: just general woodsmanship. Yeah, great, it's great to know how

613
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: to do a bar. So I usually do a whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah,

614
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: something like that's good, it's convincing. And yeah, and I

615
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: heard bart Owel's answer you. So a couple of birds answer,

616
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: way off in the distance, and uh. I run down

617
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: a fence line, maybe a couple hundred yards, and before

618
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: I can do another call, a bird goes off pretty close,

619
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: like less than two hundred yards to where I know

620
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: what ridge, what line of trees he's roughly on. I

621
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: listened to him for a few minutes and back out

622
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of there. Yeah, this is so yeah. You you preface

623
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: this right by saying this is like turkey hunting one

624
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: on one, right, like ex how to how to rooster bird?

625
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: So now you know what tree he's sleeping in in

626
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: the morning under the cover of darkness, Doug and I

627
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: slipped in and you can kind of suss out the terrain, yes,

628
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: and be like if he's roosting there. Where is it? Like,

629
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: what's this? Probably where is he gonna go in the morning? Right,

630
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: you can kind of suss it out, Like if you

631
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: got one roosted up and on one side is this

632
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: giant thorny hellhole and then the other size this little

633
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: open meadow area, you'd be like, my guess, chances are

634
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: better than not that he's gonna not going to the

635
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: thorny hellhole and want to pitch out and land down

636
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: where he can actually hit the ground without crash landing.

637
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: And so it's helpful when you know where he is.

638
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: And both times we've said I've set up on rooster

639
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: birds this week, they've pitched down into the hellhole gayon,

640
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: never to be scene again. And when they have any

641
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of topography they like to they like to roost

642
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: near slopes. Yeah, I think I think it's easy for

643
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: them to get into the tree. You know, they're up

644
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: on a bench or something and they make a short

645
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: little pitch out, you know, the ground drops out from

646
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: underneath them and then they're We watched in Mexico one time,

647
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: hunting out in the desert. We watched where they were

648
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: roosting in cotton woods down along was it. I think

649
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: it was cottonwoods down along like a near a little

650
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: water hole, and they would climb up the slope and

651
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: get higher than where they were going to roost and

652
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: pitch off the slope and then land out in the

653
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: riparian zone in the cottonwood. And it would be funny

654
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: because they just would like as part of us getting

655
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: in the tree, they just do that walk and then

656
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 1: shoot out and land in the treetop rather than trying

657
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: to lift off. Smart critters. So there you are. The

658
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: next morning. Next morning, Doug and I slip in. We

659
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: set up three decoys d S d S Dave Smith decoys.

660
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: We uh had a feeding hand and upright hand and

661
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: big boss yeah strutter with we're out and we're in

662
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: Wisconsin where they have the Eastern turkey subspecies. And I

663
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: have a Merria tail fan on this and I was

664
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: a little worried, kind of like I'm a little worried

665
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: if my barret our call sounds good. It was stupid

666
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: to think that a turkey is gonna be like, hey,

667
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: that dude's tail feathers are at Animals hate different, right,

668
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: they hate different, So it's better because they're like I'm

669
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: especially gonna beat that thing up because it's got a

670
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: weird colored fan like deer will beat up deer that

671
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: have a limp. They do not like ship to be different.

672
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: It's a rigidity to nature. Differences are not celebrated unless

673
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: it's just strength. Strength is admired, limp is fighting drop time.

674
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Do they like it? You don't know if they like it.

675
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: When I'm aware of is that they don't like weakness,

676
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: and they don't like deformities. They don't like anything to

677
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: suggest weakness. Still go after it, you know. Dear turkeys

678
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: whatever they when a turkey gets shot, gobbler gets shot

679
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: that the galders beat the crapout them. That's always weird

680
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: when you hit a turkey and the air turkey's beat

681
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: it up. But I've seen um doose in in the

682
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: winter when there somebody has a feedure out in their backyard.

683
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: This one fun had I've broken like I've broken, distorted

684
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: neck and it come in and it was always askew.

685
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: The other deer to always push it off, get it

686
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: out there, and they're just mean as hell to it.

687
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: Only the only dare that would have penned that dear

688
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: any kindness with its own mother they're always a shun it,

689
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: kick it or albino is at the same treatment. A

690
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of times they went going near the other deer

691
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: and get beat up. That's why he sailed vinals by themselves. Yeah,

692
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I went to you when I was working on my

693
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: book about Buffalo. I went out to see this famous

694
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: white buffalo called white Cloud, and um, white clouds always

695
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: way away from the herd. And the people are like

696
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: they run the place. We're like, well that you know

697
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: the other buffalo. No, he's special, right, and he has

698
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: special magic. And this one guy that works out there

699
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: is like, no, he tells me that he goes, No,

700
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: they beat the ship out of that thing, he goes.

701
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: It's so just stays off by itself. Now, well, I

702
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: saw that turkey that I assumed got that big tom

703
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: down here last week that I assumed got hit by

704
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: a car just kidding, ship kicked out of it by

705
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: another one and uh killed it or finished it off,

706
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: finished it off. And I'm assuming, I mean there was

707
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: some activity there that looked like there may have been

708
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: a fight, but um friend came in, UH got it,

709
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: tagged it, and uh when they cleaned it, it didn't

710
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: have any you know, like big cut marks in it

711
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: or anything like it. So we're kind of assuming you

712
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: get hit by a car. But there it was. I'm

713
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: driving up and it's thirty yards off the road and

714
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: the other one is just punching it, pecking it, and

715
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: then he walked off when I walked out to see

716
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: what the heck was going on, and then you went

717
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: and found a dead badger just out doing farm boy activities. Well, yeah,

718
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: that was the dead animal. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little

719
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: bit like you're playing uh rhythm guitar as you tell

720
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: your story and other people are soloing on top of

721
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: your story. So there you are. I don't mind that.

722
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: There you are. You got your d S d S,

723
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: got my d S d S. I always said, I

724
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: want to finish on the roosting. Uh thought, is that

725
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: what it really gives you is it gives you a

726
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: nice place to start in the morning. You're not like

727
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: in the darkness blind going on. I hope there's like

728
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: a gobbler somewhere around here at some point, and you're

729
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: getting like you have anxiety because like you're like, should

730
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: we go here? Should we go there? You're like you

731
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: can walk out calmly a couple of coffee and you

732
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: and just go right where you're going, knowing that it's

733
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: probably not gonna work out. Yeah yeah, but it gives

734
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: you a place to start, and uh sometimes it does.

735
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, So we set up our three decoys,

736
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: and uh, this bird when we got there, he was goblin, goblin, goblin,

737
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: goblin goblin. I mean it was. He gobbled hundreds of

738
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: times like he's a rope dragg and uh stayed in

739
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the tree and before we had seen any other turkeys,

740
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: it was probably close to an hour after daylight, right,

741
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: and when these jakes came out. Yeah, and we didn't

742
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: spook this tongue because we're just too far away. He

743
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: just could not see us, He couldn't see our decoys.

744
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: He's just gobbling away. I mean I was. I inspected

745
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: every tree down that, you know, rich trying to find

746
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: it with my binoculars, and just could not see him.

747
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: So he was just out of sight. And uh, yeah,

748
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: these j pop up on the horizon, I don't know,

749
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards at least two yards away, and

750
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: uh I'm calling a little bit here and there, and uh,

751
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: those jake's you know, you see one get his periscope,

752
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: his neck Nike nice and high. He looks down to

753
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: where we are and they just turned and just marched

754
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: right on in four pack. Well, yeah, I wonder if

755
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: they were different age because it was like there was

756
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: three and then there was one, and one had like

757
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a you know, we had kind of a where's the

758
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: the younger ones have like an artist's brush, just a

759
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: little tiny. Yeah, his was a little wider and yeah,

760
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: but definitely a right. I mean that it's not a

761
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: two year old sixteen pounds, So maybe born earlier or

762
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: hatched earlier, or a good nutrition or power jake, power jake,

763
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: And he got like maybe he was really good um

764
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: and a it was throwing out a lot of seventy

765
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: five percentiles earlier. But when they're a poult, they eat

766
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: about their diet is about insect matter, plant matter. For

767
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: a good healthy turkey, a lot of the need to

768
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of growths, a lot of worms out

769
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: of insects, and then later in adulthood it's flipped a

770
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: lot less protein, a lot more green. So maybe he's

771
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: just really maybe he had a little honey hoole grub patch.

772
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: It was just cleaning house and it makes you wonder

773
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: if they're from you know, the same brood, or you

774
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: know all of that. I mean they brothers or they

775
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: just like freshman boys at the high school dance. You know. Yeah, no, Non,

776
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: you're a big guy. You're probably bigger than all the

777
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: other kids. You like that. Jake, Well then let me

778
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: see your nubbles. So n there you are. You got

779
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: your d S d s out, big flock of hungry

780
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Jake's coming at you. Are you scared? No, We're just

781
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: we're like, that's what we're there for, right is to

782
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: see the show. And we got it. I mean it

783
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: was great. You know, four Jake's come in just bypass

784
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: those hands didn't even there were two hands, Like they're

785
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: more interested in beating up a turkey than they are

786
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: having and they had to walk through the two hands.

787
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: I do guys like that in high school, right, guys

788
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: that would be like they would pass up ladies to fight,

789
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you got your

790
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: priorities crooked. But we had decided we talked about it

791
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: as they were coming down, because we're sitting pretty much

792
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: side by side. Well it's early and that other guy's goblin,

793
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: so we thought we had the perfect scenario with these

794
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: decoys coming into our decoys. Yeah, so you feel like

795
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: we were doubling down. You thought the rope draggon is

796
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna come out and just start kicking everybody's ass decoys. Yeah,

797
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: because how could he decoys? Jake's this blood, How could

798
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: he stand having four Jake's in there fighting pern and

799
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: cackling and you know, flapping their wings around. I mean

800
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: that turkey activity. You could certainly hear it where he was. Yeah,

801
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: that time would be like, whatever is going on down there,

802
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down and settle it. Yeah. They're starters.

803
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: They're starters and sets instead. They eventually had enough of

804
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: the decoys and uh, they saw a couple of dudes

805
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: eventually buy some trees and they're like, yeah, we're gonna

806
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: piece out of here because you guys are thirty yards away. Yeah. Oh,

807
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: we had him a couple of times at at feet

808
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: were on the other side of a pine tree that

809
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: I was sitting on the other So they got suspicious

810
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: as they laughed. They did some putting, you know how

811
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: Jake's They're not like evenhen they're putting away from you,

812
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, I'm scared I'm scared, but maybe

813
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: that was fun. Whish I go back? I don't know,

814
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so they kind of fade off,

815
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: and they just happened to fade right underneath the gobbler,

816
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: and it sure seemed like as they went there, he

817
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: finally came out of the tree and then went away

818
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: from us. Then time goes by, you fellers come back

819
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: to the farmhouse. Doug had had as he put there day,

820
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: what would you call a blessing here on the farm?

821
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: What do you call it? Yeah, yeah, you use the term.

822
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Kiefer came over and you said, we had a small

823
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: blessing or a miracle on the farm today something I

824
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: don't I don't remember what I said, but yeah, we

825
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: had a calf and a Kyle birthed a calf. And

826
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: I was a little concerned about the calf because it

827
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: was didn't seem to be getting the idea down about

828
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: how I get something to eat. So we came down,

829
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: we got a little cup of coffee, little breakfast, and

830
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'll check on that calf. And we

831
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: walked down there, kind of climbed up on the fence

832
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: and was looking at the calf, and yeah, he looks

833
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: way to the north and goes there's some turkey stuff.

834
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: They call him the lavine Eagle. Well, no, I just

835
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: call myself. Yeah, not much game gets by this kid. Well,

836
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: now he'll spot it up. He's the turkey I as

837
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: far as I'mcoln's the Latvian. So he said, and what

838
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: do you think? And I'm just like, well, So we

839
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: came back, got our stuff and pretty much went back

840
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: to the spot that we had already set up in

841
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: because we were trying. By the way those birds were moving,

842
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: it looked like they were going to come pretty much

843
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: where we had been in the morning, like they had

844
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: done their whole thing. So some little adventure and we're

845
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: working the way right back to their If I've come

846
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: to realize something in ten years of turkey hunting now

847
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: is that they are creatures of habit loops, creatures of loops,

848
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: and if unless they're messed with or bombed or whatnot,

849
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna do their loop and come back. And this

850
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: time you're waiting for him and you put your decoys down. No,

851
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: we well barely we got there and peeked around the

852
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: corner and I saw one of them statue stand there

853
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: like a statue for fifteen minutes to the point where

854
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: I thought he had us, and he just kind of

855
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: he look our way, look, you know, just nine degree

856
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: head turns straight away and then towards us, or ninety

857
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: degrees to us, towards us, back and forth, back and forth,

858
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: not moving. I'm thinking, man, we screwed it up, you know,

859
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: like he saw us, just something in the pines. It

860
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: ain't gonna last, Belly very well. We'll try it anyway.

861
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: So Doug gets in a position. I'm watching him. He

862
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: hasn't spooked yet. I back out, look at him one

863
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: more time. He hasn't spooked yet. Do a little loop,

864
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: belly crawl out with strutter again, just him, said him.

865
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: Belly crawled back and called for I don't know, maybe

866
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes, long enough that we were starting to

867
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: doze off. I was close, Doug was said, maybe he

868
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: had actually made it. It's the worst kind of sleep,

869
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: like because you get when you're like, what'sipp We've been

870
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: sending you a larning for so we got a three

871
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: forty five in the morning, right, and then when you're

872
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: out in the evening hunt, you're out there until past eight.

873
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, your dinner and all that ship,

874
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: get your gears squared away. It's like get low on

875
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: sleep and you can't help. When his son comes up

876
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: and it gets warm, you get nappy feeling. So you're

877
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: so nappy feeling. But at the same time, the minute

878
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: you doze off, you like feel like you heard a

879
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: gobble or something. It's just it's like a very fitful

880
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: nut and it's like it really puts you in a

881
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: bad place. Yeah, and there trying to sleep in the turn.

882
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we are in naptime. Well, I hadn't seen anything. Nothing,

883
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: we didn't know we thought. I figured it was it's

884
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance that they had spooked off, is anything.

885
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: I called for a bit and Austin I hear, I

886
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: think it's squirrels hopping around, because we've seen a bunch

887
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: of squirrels. And then I'm hearing I'm like squirrels, you know.

888
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, yeah, there's some jakes, like not

889
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: too far from here. Now there's some noise. Maybe I

890
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: should just get my gun up and no sooner and

891
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: I like, I didn't even get my gun to my knee.

892
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I was like I had it halfway up to my

893
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: knee and I look and there's one red head and

894
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: then another red head. Oh my hope, dogs awake. We

895
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: were at that point, we were probably thirty yards we

896
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: were sitting together. We were probably thirty yards apart and

897
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: that and we had talked about not shooting into the

898
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: pines because we were both sitting in the pines. We

899
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, we done the whole We had a safety plan.

900
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: And I'm looking back in the spot and I see

901
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: that movement. I can't hear anything, so I didn't hear

902
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: those that noise, and but it was the same thing

903
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: on and so I'm trying to get turned to where

904
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: i can shoot, and I'm thinking, well, I could shoot

905
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: left handed me because they're really close to me. And

906
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: it was the fourth one was the one, the biggest one,

907
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: like we had decided earlier in the day. So yeah,

908
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: he could have had that bird, but he didn't pull

909
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: the trigger as quickly as I did. Yeah, I was.

910
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: I was going to brag that I've only passed up

911
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: a jake one time, being that morning when we had

912
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: the gobbler, But then I remember that I must have

913
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: passed up a jake later that day. So I passed

914
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: up to Jakes in mind, because they were kind of

915
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: lining up for you, weren't they. I mean, you could

916
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: have probably shot two of them with one shot and

917
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: then you and then you blouch. Do you know what

918
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: they called Jake breaks? Jake breaks? Jacob Industries makes that

919
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. They still do plays called Jacob

920
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Industries makes that compression break. Me and my brother used

921
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: to live in a trailer park alongside the Highway ninety

922
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: in Montana, and holy shit, you get sick of listening

923
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: to those things, man, because it was on the down slope.

924
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: People coming down out of you know, around they come

925
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: down bowls and pass I don't know, blasts awake every

926
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: night with them freaking things. But it's my brother calls

927
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: when he shoots Jake, he puts the Jake breaks out.

928
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: That's not very nice. Um, So you got to Jake,

929
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: got to Jake Downey went. That was over. We were

930
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: very excited about it. Now meanwhile, I had gone out.

931
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: I hadn't gone out and roosted a turkey. I had not.

932
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't as aggressive and as good of a hunter

933
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: as Yanni was, and I just was trusting that I

934
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: would find gobblers and I did. I went out to

935
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: what I referred to as the navel of the Durn farm.

936
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: You could call it the heart of the Durn farm.

937
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: But the navel like the center where all activity is centered.

938
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that from now on. That's where the

939
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: navel of the farm. Dug says. If you hit a

940
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: deer and you wound a deer and you're once you're

941
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: trailing it, you will pass through the navel like it's

942
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: just they just just the navel of the farm, the whole. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: it really place, you know. So I went down to

944
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: the navel and I'm sitting there and up above me

945
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: at a place called known widely as Ranella rich Uh,

946
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: there are three gobblers like you tell you can tell

947
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: the roosted up the trees, like when you sit there

948
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: in the dark, you get a sense of where they

949
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: all are when they're gobbling, and you can set you

950
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: don't even hear how they're like a differ trees and

951
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: there's a cascading effect like one will go like an

952
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: aggressive one to go. He'll hammer and then his buddies

953
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: will hammer over him. But the sound like jumps down

954
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: the ridge because they're like in these different trees. I

955
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: was like, go go, but it just moves, you know,

956
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: and then it starts back at the top and moves down.

957
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: It's like someone like running their fingers down a piano,

958
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's this other gobbler just hammering

959
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: his ass off up and he's this pine area, and

960
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: they were all too far away for me. Like it's like,

961
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that I could eventually might come

962
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: through the navel, as all things do, but they were

963
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: like far away gobbles and they hit the ground. One

964
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: hit the ground and gobbled for a while. Then he

965
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: kind of gobbled his way farther away, and the other

966
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: ones I can never figure out what happened to him.

967
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: And I worked up at to a place called the

968
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: Wet Spot, which my brother used to like to think

969
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: up names for bars, like if he was to buy

970
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: a bar, what he would name it? And um repeat offender,

971
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: tight Fit, the wet Spot, and ginger Snapper was four

972
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: names that he had. You know, he never bought a

973
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: single bar in his life, but he had four names ready,

974
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: and one of them was the Wet Spot. And it's

975
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: weird because I'm during farm maps there's a place called

976
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: the Wet Spot, and I asked Dug. I'm like, you

977
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: know the big mud puddle that's always there, and Dougs like, yes,

978
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: you're referring to the wet spot. So I went up

979
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: to the wet spot, which was around where the gobbling

980
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: was occurring, and then I sit down, get camouflaged and

981
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: rip out a hend, call a couple of yelps, and

982
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: as turkeys are wants to do, they gobble back the

983
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: direction I had just come from, which happens because it

984
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: was a roundabout way of getting there, call call, call dead.

985
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: They just went to you know, working with hens, one

986
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: of the things that makes turkeys hard to call in it, Dave,

987
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: as they when they're up in the roost, they're probably

988
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: up in the roost of the hands, and I know

989
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of hands cutting, like cutting up

990
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: in the tree with them. Yeah. In fact, I kept

991
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: thinking there's no gobbles and just hands purn and cutting

992
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: and carrying on up in the trees. And I thought,

993
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: there's no way there's no gobble gobblers with those hands.

994
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until well in the daybreak when they

995
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: started goblin. But what what the reason I knew that

996
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 1: that was there was because the hens so the reason

997
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: that gobbler is hard to call in Sometimes in the

998
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: early mornings he's still with his hands. He's like traveling

999
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: with the hands and displaying for them. Now as the

1000
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: day goes on, if they're laying, the hens will leave

1001
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: him and go off to lay eggs, and then he

1002
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: might then become very susceptible to calling because now he's

1003
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: got no females around him. So all this talk about

1004
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: getting up and roosting them and all that. The most

1005
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: the turkeys I killed, I started killing turkeys around nine am.

1006
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I kill a lot of curcus a be nine in noon.

1007
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: It seems like in the morning it either happens right

1008
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: away or not lucky. But you get in a situation

1009
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: where you're set up where he wants to be and

1010
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't and the hens calm or whatever, and you

1011
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: get him and that does happen. But kill a lot

1012
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: of turkeys in the late morning. So I was like,

1013
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: never mind these turkeys, Um, I'm just gonna go on

1014
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: a little walk about. And I walk quite a long

1015
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: ways and I get out to anywhere. I'm confused about

1016
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: property ownership, and I don't want to cross the fence

1017
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: because I don't really understand, like what else what? And uh,

1018
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: I rip out a power crow and get old Goppel

1019
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: from a tom down in this the word this section

1020
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: of this big wood lot butts up against a field

1021
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: and and I'm sitting there glass and oh and I

1022
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: glass up two hens feeding around out in the open,

1023
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: set up at try to call the gobbler that I gobbled.

1024
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: He never showed up that night. I went back, What

1025
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: time we go down there, dirt? I went back about

1026
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: three and set up where I was calling into where

1027
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: that one had shot gobl And you were sure the

1028
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: property lines you know too, Yeah, clarified property lines with

1029
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: dug went down there and kind of like crept in

1030
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: there and got set up where I could where I'm

1031
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: calling into this where I feel that that bird shot

1032
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: gobbled out of even though he was hundreds of yards

1033
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: away when I shocked him up. And I get comfortable

1034
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: almost to a nappy degree, and um start calling And

1035
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: how long do we lay there? Three hours? No toy

1036
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: for two hours, calling probably every twenty or thirty minutes,

1037
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: just on a slate, calling a pot call every minutes,

1038
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: calling no response, just dead ass silent. And then at

1039
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: one point I look and coming through the wood lot

1040
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: at full strut, without ever making a sound. There he

1041
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: is the Boston Boy and he comes out and it's

1042
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: like you're not talking abot how Jake's are out in

1043
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: the middle fields all day long raising Holy hell. He's

1044
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: coming out of the woods and gets to the edge

1045
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: of the woods and will not leave that wood patch.

1046
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: He's just in the woods at a full strut. What

1047
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: do you lay at then wind row a wind roll

1048
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: that t bones that wood lot. So I'm looking like

1049
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: through my wind row into the wood lot, and I

1050
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: could see him in there at full strut, I mean,

1051
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: balls out, full strut, will not leave the woods, and

1052
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: my call and I had somehow wound up on my peg,

1053
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: and I was he was looking up like he was

1054
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: like looking where that sound had come from. He knew

1055
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 1: where that sound had come from. And he's like looking, looking, looking,

1056
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling around. I eventually find my peg and

1057
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: very slowly, like somehow gotten on top of it. I

1058
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: very slowly get it up and I call a little

1059
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: bit and then he comes out into the field. But

1060
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: he still obstruct when he was at the edge of

1061
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: the woods sixty yards seventy yards, but very obscure heavily obscured.

1062
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: You're just seeing, like as you kind of would spin

1063
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: around in there, You're just seeing, you know, fan head,

1064
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: but not you couldn't take even if he was, if

1065
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: he was forty yards away, it would have been like

1066
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: it's a little too much, too much obstruction, like too

1067
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: much ship to absorb pellets. You're getting You're getting a

1068
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: show at this point. Is that what you're thinking? You're like, man,

1069
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but no, I'm thinking about that. But I'm

1070
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: also thinking, like, you know, you're thinking about killing the bird, right,

1071
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: he just gonna get the bird. So I call a

1072
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit more and he starts stepping out on the

1073
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: field and then I hear something dude digging around on

1074
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: a quad runner away is away but getting louder, and

1075
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: I've already been hearing him for a long time, like

1076
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: what is that guy doing? Like quad running around? And

1077
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm like, how could this be happening?

1078
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that quad runner starts getting very

1079
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: close around and I'm watching and the turkey's kind of

1080
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: moving out, and I'm like, that's gonna freak that turkey out.

1081
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: The other thing I'm trying to do is now I'm

1082
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to adjust for where the turkey is gonna be,

1083
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: and I'm moving my shotguns. So I don't know what

1084
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: did it. If it was the increasingly loud quad noise

1085
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: or me trying to get my shotgun around, But all

1086
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden he drops out of strut. But then

1087
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: I really quickly like reached up and compiled and bouched him.

1088
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: That was a shocker to me too. Just the other

1089
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: two hunts I've been on with you, turkey hunts, it

1090
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: was all about the audio, and then that guy crept in.

1091
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: No never a peep, not a peep. Yeah, But the

1092
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: last time I hunted with you, I glass those We're

1093
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: up in the wood timber and I glassed. I was

1094
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: just looking into the woods with my knockers and called

1095
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: a tail fan. Do you remember that? I glassed up

1096
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: a tail fan seventy five yards through the woods and

1097
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: we hit the deck and started calling. And I don't

1098
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: know how long it took before that thing finally walked over.

1099
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: Long time, never repeat. Right at the end, like he

1100
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: had almost a death gobble. He sensed the end was

1101
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: near all of a sudden and gobbled, yea death gobble

1102
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: that you guys were saying that that's unique somewhat unique

1103
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: to the Easterns, the that they don't gobble as as

1104
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: frequently the reputation of Easterns because they're more pressured the

1105
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: reputations that are they're less vocal than than than the other.

1106
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, so wild turkeys, all wild turkeys are wild turkeys.

1107
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: If he has geneticists they didn't really like believe in

1108
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: the taxonomy so much. Some don't. But you have Eastern

1109
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: wild turkeys, which are you know, east of the Mississippi,

1110
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: but there are eastern western Mississippi. But just a way

1111
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: of thinking about this, Easterns lived east of the Mississippi

1112
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: and down halfway down the Florida Peninsula from about Lake

1113
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: Okeechobee south down the Florida Peninsula, you have the Osceola

1114
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: wild turkey. So you have the Eastern wild turkey, which

1115
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: has an enormous range um the Osceola and South Florida.

1116
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: And then you have Rio's like Rio Grands, which used

1117
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: to hang out around areas of Texas, Oklahoma. And you

1118
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: had the Miriams, which you had New Mexico up in

1119
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: the southern Colorado. And then you have the Goulds, which

1120
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: was the sky Island mountain ranges of Arizona, southwestern New Mexico,

1121
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: and then the Sierra Madre and other areas of North Mexico. Now, I,

1122
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: unlike my friends here, I am a a turkey Grand

1123
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: slam holder, which means which means, which means that I

1124
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: have harvested all of these turkeys I'm discussing now. What

1125
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: what separates me from a world slam holder is that

1126
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: there is a bird, another type of altogether different, like

1127
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: a different, altogether different species called the oscillated turkey of

1128
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: the tamp Peninsula done in the Guatemalia, Guatemala. I think

1129
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: there's something o Bolivia that's the oscillated turkey. It's like

1130
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: a souped up turkey, cross between a turkey and a peacock,

1131
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: not really, but resemble. I've never I've never tangled with

1132
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: the oscillated. Are all those different types of turkeys those

1133
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: areas I was just given where they're from. Now it's

1134
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: a Now it's a mess because what happened was those

1135
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: are their their native range. That's their native range. So

1136
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: if you live in California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, in

1137
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: the shipload other states, you do not live in native

1138
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: Turkey Country. If you live in Maine, you probably you

1139
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: might not live in Native Turkey Country. At the time

1140
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: of European contact, there were turkeys and thirty nine states.

1141
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: After all, the market hunters got done with them. By

1142
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: like the early nine hundreds, you had turkeys left in

1143
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: nineteen states, and the holdouts in those states lived in

1144
01:07:53,840 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: the remotest, nastiest, swampiest backwater spots. They were like survivors, holdouts.

1145
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: Then in camp largely the work of I mean, you know,

1146
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: when you say something like this, you're never like someone's

1147
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna get pissed. But largely through the work of the

1148
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation in in in coordination with many

1149
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: rod and gun clubs and and state phishing game agencies

1150
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 1: and all that kinds of like, like the Turkey Federation

1151
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: can't act unilaterally like but they provided money and expertise

1152
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: and know how, and in conjunction with state phishing game agencies,

1153
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: began first putting turkeys back where they belonged, so filling

1154
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: out Native Turkey ground. Then they took it a step

1155
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: further and put turkeys and play introduced. So they did

1156
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: all their reintroductions and got a lot of the puzzle

1157
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: put back the way it was supposed to be, and

1158
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: then kept going and started putting turkeys. But they had

1159
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: never before been hm. So now you have turkey seasons

1160
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: and forty nine states. The only state that doesn't have

1161
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: a turkey season is Alaska, and we have it on

1162
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: pretty good authority that there are some feral turkeys running

1163
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: around the Kenai Peninsula, So someday you might have a

1164
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: turkey season in Alaska. So when they were doing these

1165
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: reintroductions or introductions, they would experiment like I know that

1166
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: they tried Rio's. Know that they tried Miriams, like up

1167
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: around Hell's Canyon and they didn't take, but Rio's took there.

1168
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: So they would do a little bit of messing around

1169
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: and in some areas became like these like hybridization areas,

1170
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: where now it's a total mess. You'll have guys say

1171
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: like I have a farm in Nebraska and on my farm,

1172
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: I have Easterns your Miriams, and it's like they're they're

1173
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: it's just like a big interbreeding mess. There are some

1174
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: morphological traits you can look at and be like, yes,

1175
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: this turkey is you know, has some traits of X.

1176
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: But it's a mess now they're all mixed up. When

1177
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: you hunt the i A corridor, they're along the um

1178
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: what is that river there in Nebraska? Is that this

1179
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: South Platt? Yeah? Yeah, um, you know Austin. Like two

1180
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: birds will get killed and you bring them together and

1181
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: one is the sky of super you know, buffed out

1182
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: white tail fan and the one next to its copper brown.

1183
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: So one of the ways that's a regular Joe Schmo

1184
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: can tell all the subspecies of part is. Some people

1185
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: say they're not actually subspecies, but the different varieties or

1186
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: let's just say subspecies is by looking at the tail,

1187
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: the coloration on the back. Um my theory and I've

1188
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: checked this out with biologists think it's not that bad.

1189
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: Is that the hotter the area, the more dry and

1190
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: hot the area, the more light colored they have on

1191
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: their back. I think it has to do with heat

1192
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: dissipation and heat retention. The same way you don't run

1193
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: black ang is cattle in northern Mexico they die baked

1194
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: to you know where that doesn't hold true, is uh

1195
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: like Texas and Florida. Well no, because look at the ghouls.

1196
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: He's got like more white that he but he's not

1197
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: in Texas and Florida, he's over in but in Texas,

1198
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: Miriams and Rio's have a lighter colored back in the eastern,

1199
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: more intense sun. Well, I feel like is the rio

1200
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: is he lighter colored in the eastern not by much

1201
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: a little bit? All right, Well then if the Florida Okay,

1202
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: so it's not it's not seamless. But Bergman's principle, right,

1203
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Bergman's principle as if you look at a mammal's range,

1204
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: mammals the as as they go north and latitude. The

1205
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: largest specimens of a species in the mammal world, the

1206
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: largest specimens are at the north end of the range.

1207
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: But some animals fall outside of Bergman's rule, like, for instance,

1208
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: white tails definitely do not, but mule deer fall outside

1209
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: of Bergman's principle. So you can have I could call

1210
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: this the Ranella principle, okay, and it can have an exception, right,

1211
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: Just like when you put mammals on islands, they tend

1212
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: to become diminutive, when you put reptiles on islands, they

1213
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: tend to become larger. And your pipe and smoking. So

1214
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: I have a question about all that, um, please, So

1215
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about this big introduction and introduction. So, uh,

1216
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: how long ago did all this work happen? Because I

1217
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: know in this area when I was a kid, Uh,

1218
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: there were not turkeys here in the seventies. And I

1219
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: was gone for a while, and then I came back

1220
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 1: and this turkey flew in front of me as I

1221
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: was coming down the ridge row, and I thought, you

1222
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: thought the Russians were here? What the hell is that? Yeah,

1223
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: it's a red dawn. And then I left again for

1224
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: five or six years, and I came back and everybody

1225
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: was turkey home. I left Michigan right before turkeys began.

1226
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: Like when I moved away, it was just becoming a

1227
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 1: thing you could go up by, like new Ago and

1228
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe like draw a turkey tag. And I moved to

1229
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: Montana and it wasn't I wasn't gone a year or two,

1230
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, my old man's killing turkeys

1231
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: every spring within a couple of miles of the house.

1232
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: It just bam, it'd be like the turkey. Like the

1233
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: introduction effort. The reintroduction efforts, I think began kind of

1234
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: an earnest in the seventies. Like they got good at it.

1235
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: Because if you want to look at like the history

1236
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: of hell of this happened. They were they were screwing

1237
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: up for a long time where they thought that they

1238
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: could hatch and incubate eggs in captivity. Uh. And so

1239
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: they were putting a lot of money and a lot

1240
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: of effort into trying to pen raise birds and release them.

1241
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: And it took a long time to think in that

1242
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: that does not work. They don't take so in the

1243
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: capturing and and then the rocket propelled capture net hit

1244
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: the scene. And once the rocket propelled capture net hit

1245
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: the scene, and that had to that had to join

1246
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,560
Speaker 1: up with Another thing is you had to have some

1247
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: states doing good enough on turkeys that they were willing

1248
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: to spare them. Right Like our friend Bart George who

1249
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: works on caribou in Idaho and Washington, he'd love to

1250
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: like supplement those herds. But to get the right animal,

1251
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot anywhere. So you gotta go and

1252
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, can I get thirty caribou off?

1253
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: And people like dude, I can't spare thirty you know,

1254
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: I can't spare thirty species. I can't spare thirty Just

1255
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: immediately to the north of you give you the bird,

1256
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: to give you the animal you want. So it's a problem.

1257
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: So you had states that were like getting a shipload

1258
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: of birds, and they were getting comfortable with their birds,

1259
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: and then they had to get over this idea that

1260
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: you could just incubate eggs and hatch them in captivity

1261
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: and get them up to like keep her size and

1262
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: them loose because they don't live. They're not they're not

1263
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: paranoid enough. So once they figured out that you go

1264
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: and get captured with rocket rocket nets, you captured real

1265
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: birds and put them on the ground, and then it

1266
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: just took off and they I mean it took off

1267
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: and over the course of a couple of decades they

1268
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: filled the country back up. I'm simple fying it. But yeah,

1269
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: Pat might know about this. For some reason, it is

1270
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: in my head that Wisconsin traded grouse to Missouri for turkeys. Yeah,

1271
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: initially they can't remember what the exact numbers are, but

1272
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: they treated with Missouri got them going. Then they got

1273
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: from smaller states to theo in Wisconsin and they also

1274
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: got um. It was it was pretty cool back in

1275
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: the eighties. They were pushing them up in the central Wisconsin.

1276
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: It's about ten years into the program, and they thought

1277
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: that area where I live around will Packaged Steven's Point,

1278
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: right across the center of the state. They thought that's

1279
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: probably the extent of the native turkey range. They didn't

1280
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: think turkeys would ever go beyond there, like the turkeys

1281
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: had ever. Yeah. Yeah, they thought that's where they had

1282
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: basically pushed up. You know, it's funny you ever look

1283
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: at the line what they think, what they think the

1284
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: where buffalo lived in Wisconsin. Yeah, get cuts like it

1285
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: ascends and like goes. It's a line that goes like

1286
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: at an upward, upward angle, ascending northwest through the middle

1287
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. When they draw out where buffalo probably lived

1288
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, it probably probably wasn't a whole lot different

1289
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: from the turkey. What they thought open open country and

1290
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: the grasslands. Yea. You know, they came up in that

1291
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: central Wisconsin here that has it's hills aren't like yours,

1292
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: but they're they're hills and it's a lot of oak ridges,

1293
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: and they thought they should do fine here, and they

1294
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: did well. Then the next thing, you know, you know,

1295
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: you can go up for a deer hunt up in

1296
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: Aston Colony, just Salted Lake Superior, and there are decent

1297
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: turkey flocks up there. Because they got because there's eggs.

1298
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: They lived way beyond what any biologist thought was possible

1299
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: as far as extending the range and there, and the

1300
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: biologists maybe thought that because of winter conditions and stuff

1301
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to and what allowed them to be there

1302
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: is because of the egg field. Yeah, I think that

1303
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: we rewrote the like there's winners, Like there's things that

1304
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: win from people and things that lose from people. Right,

1305
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: wolves are losers from people, white tail deer, turks, crows,

1306
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: Canada geese, European starlings, snow. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, for sure,

1307
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: um our people are winners and turkeys were big ass winners.

1308
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: Turkey seasons in Hawaii. I saw turkeys in Hawaii. I

1309
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: was hunting a different non native at the time, but

1310
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 1: ran into that non native hunting up there. Why is

1311
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: the one that that one that you don't have for

1312
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: the world, Why is that counted in with the North

1313
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,879
Speaker 1: American ones in there? Because there's other gotta be other turkeys.

1314
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: What do you mean this guy and other no another

1315
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: countries regions and stuff. Yeah, well yeah, like like no

1316
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: guy ona, like those those birds, wands kwans aren't turkeys dirt, No,

1317
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: But actually I shouldn't go down retract my collections still

1318
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: got that good solid be over there. Though. Yeah, we're

1319
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: start a book series like Dirt on Like they'll be like, not,

1320
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do dirt photography because that'd be a

1321
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: boring book because he'd be like, here's like you take

1322
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: a picture right every We'd be like, yeah, that's all

1323
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: really good cutting edge information give there. But what I'm

1324
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: interested is dirt on ship that Dirt doesn't pay attention to,

1325
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: so like Dirt pays a lot of attention to photography.

1326
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: And I would never read a book like Dirt on

1327
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: rock climbing, right, because it'd be like, oh, the ship,

1328
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: you need to know about rock climbing, But dirt on

1329
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: ship that he has passively that Dirt has like kind

1330
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: of overheard us talking about. It'd be like drunk history,

1331
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: like Dirt, I want to do Dirt on linguistics and

1332
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: then I'm Dirt. I'm all, my it's a fox spirrel

1333
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: all right? So Doug, uh, what happened with your evening bird?

1334
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 1: So because here here in our more lessons about turkey,

1335
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: every one of these turkeys tells a different story. So

1336
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: Joanna says, I think we should go back up there,

1337
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: get ourselves a little nap. Who go up there about

1338
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: five o'clock, We'll get ourselves a little nap. And he said,

1339
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: turkeys creatures a habit. We didn't mess up that bird

1340
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: in the morning. That the big tom. Let's go back

1341
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: up there. I'll bet he's gonna come back to that

1342
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: area to roost. You had a feeling because they do

1343
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: not They do not have roost fidelity. It used to

1344
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: be believed. People used to believe they had more fidelity

1345
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: to their roosting area than they do. And I pat,

1346
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: you're not. You had you know what you're talking about.

1347
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: Now that they put little trackers on him, a little

1348
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: track and GPS devices, those sons of bitches unpredictable. Yeah,

1349
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: you'll think like, oh, he's always roost there, but it

1350
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: might be different turkeys and roosting he's off here was

1351
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: they so here? Here was my theory one Janni as

1352
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: he killed the biggest turkey ever killed on this far

1353
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: What three years ago? Was that? Two years ago? Man?

1354
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: That was a big bird. All right, I think it

1355
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: wasn't on a certified scale like okay, but it's not

1356
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: like he was out like judging. It's like it's like, okay,

1357
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: but that was but give him any that doesn't give

1358
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: him any credibility and it doesn't like make me think like, oh,

1359
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: listen to him. It's like, that's the one that happened

1360
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: to show up, like if a dude, no, no, no, no,

1361
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: he hunted that bird and killed it and that was

1362
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: the one spurred monster bird. Okay, So having killed the

1363
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: one s bird monster bird, you knew that you should

1364
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: listen to him. Three other hunters had been hunting him

1365
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: that spring, and I came in and he could not

1366
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: resist anyway. And it was up in that area happened

1367
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: napping with you there you go. So we go up there,

1368
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I think, well, I couldn't believe whether

1369
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: that is true or not, but my thought was, well,

1370
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: the conditions are exactly the same this afternoon as they

1371
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: were the afternoon, and he had and he hadn't been

1372
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: muffed with. So let's you know, he says, let's go

1373
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: back up there, and I'm all right. So we go

1374
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: up to those pines and we cut through the middle

1375
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: of them and we sat up within twenty yards where

1376
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: I killed the one in the morning. Yeah, but see

1377
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: we just so now you gotta explained people, because you

1378
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: just said he had muffed with he was off. He

1379
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: was already gone, he was off doing other Turkey activities.

1380
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: So you had been in there shooting and raising Holy Mayhem,

1381
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: but he wasn't there for that. Yeah, So like in

1382
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: the morning, you could go away in the morning from

1383
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: your house and have no idea that anything happened when

1384
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: I came whatever the maleman or the milkman or something,

1385
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: and then you come back later you didn't know any

1386
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: that happened. The pool that you don't own got cleaned,

1387
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: So so there you are. So anyway, we decided to

1388
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: go back to the very similar spot and there you

1389
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: can see the feathers on the ground from the one

1390
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: that I shot in the morning in the mid morning,

1391
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: after the big time had already gone. And uh so

1392
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: we set up fairly far apart again, and then we

1393
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: had the discussion about not shooting under the pine trees again,

1394
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: and uh I sat down, but Johnny said, let's make

1395
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: sure we get an hour of sleep. Now. It's a

1396
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: good time to get a nap because sometimes that will

1397
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: draw him in well in deer hunting, it does, it

1398
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: seems too for me. But anyway, so it's so important, though,

1399
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: I gotta interrupt you your brother. I was hunting with

1400
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 1: Steve's brother Matt Ronella for Opener in Montana, and he

1401
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: forced a nap upon us in pretty shitty conditions. But

1402
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: when he awoke, he said, man, the world is twice

1403
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: as crisp and clear as it was an hour ago.

1404
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: And that's a very good way to put it, because

1405
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: you just get like, there's certain spring turkey anytime you're hunting,

1406
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: like any hunting you do, that's in proximity to the

1407
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: summer solstice. So now you're into May. Right, It's like

1408
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: the days are too long. If you go caribou hunting

1409
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: in August and you're gonna hunt from the time it

1410
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: gets light to the time it gets dark, you're not

1411
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna not hunt. So you're gonna do that for seven days,

1412
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day for seven days. It cannot

1413
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: be done. You have to A turkey hunter has to

1414
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: take a nap if he's pounding it. Now, some states

1415
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: are more humane, like California, they gotta cut off you

1416
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: can just Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, So that's like a gesture

1417
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: towards humanity. They probably have too many people getting too

1418
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: exhausted and committing crimes and suicides and whatnot. And they

1419
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: realize these people are too tired. So we get up there.

1420
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: You are, there, you are, So we get up there.

1421
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: We have our little little chat and everything, and and

1422
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't fall asleep right away, but I noticed that

1423
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: Yanni called a little bit, and then it was just

1424
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: quiet over there. So I kind of pulled some pine

1425
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: needles up and kind of this a little soft thing.

1426
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: And I wasn't just leading up against a tree sleep.

1427
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: And I laid down on the ground and curled up

1428
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: and went to sleep. And uh, when I woke up,

1429
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: the world was crisp and new, and I had pine

1430
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: needles in my mouth. And then I sat up and Yanni,

1431
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: I hear, Yanni. You know a little call over there? Yep,

1432
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: I no way more subtle than that. Yanni's way more

1433
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: subtled than that. That was. That was more like it. Yeah,

1434
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: And oh, Yanni's up. I'd better start paying attention. Little

1435
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 1: did I know that he had crawled over to talk

1436
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: to me sometime before that, but saw me curled up

1437
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: on the ground and didn't have the heart to wake

1438
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: me up from my nap. So and then we hear

1439
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: a gobble to the south of us and quite a

1440
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: ways away, and he calls and we hear the gobble again,

1441
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: and the gobbles getting closer, and they kept moving across

1442
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: the ridge. I saw them for the first time in

1443
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: the same place we saw the Jake's in the morning,

1444
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: and they got to that point when I say they

1445
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: there were two gobblers, but he picked up a friend. Well,

1446
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: we wondered about that because in the morning we thought

1447
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: there might be two in the tree. Probably yeah and uh.

1448
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: And were they returning to that tree or did they

1449
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: come in because Yanni had called him chick, I don't know,

1450
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: whatever he wants to do, whatever he wants to do,

1451
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: just what they were coming back to that roostery. It

1452
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: influenced their thinking. So we're all set up. Why do

1453
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: you not why did you not even want to respond

1454
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 1: to that? Well that I that's what Yanni thought, So

1455
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: that was that was the reason for going there. So

1456
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm convinced to that as well. So I see

1457
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: him coming across and it was wasn't there were two

1458
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and there wasn't any question that we

1459
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: had two times coming at us, and that they were

1460
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 1: big birds, and they were one of them was gobbling,

1461
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: and one of them was walking, and every time the

1462
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: one would then one would display and the other one

1463
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: would walk ahead of him, and then he dropped his

1464
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: display and then catch up with him, and then he gobbled,

1465
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: and they were kept doing this thing like not letting

1466
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: ten seconds go by between. Yeah, it's interesting to do that,

1467
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, you told me that too, that that

1468
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: he would stop and strut in the but but he

1469
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: didn't want his body to get ahead, Like it's like

1470
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't want you pouring the coals to write, Well,

1471
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing all the worst hen and I'm back here strutting.

1472
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: So it's like I want to strut, but I don't

1473
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: want to strut so bad that you're like running point

1474
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: and like encountering all kind of adventures and whatnot. Well

1475
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm back here all puffed up, well cooler, and heck

1476
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: to see him come from two yards, like I think

1477
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: it helps. I mean a lot of times with animals

1478
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: you don't want multiples because they're just more eyes, more noses,

1479
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: more chances of getting busted. But when you have two

1480
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: golllers coming in and they're like not only are they

1481
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: like in love and and and sick, for what you're

1482
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: offering them. But then they're like, I gotta beat my

1483
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: buddy there. I'm going over there. I'm going, I'm going.

1484
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: That's what they're going, that's what they're actually saying. So

1485
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: they drop down into this ditch and come up out

1486
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: of there, and you know, it's just so the way

1487
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: they're waddling up up through there, and I'm I'm ready,

1488
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: and I've got a little bit of a screen in

1489
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm I'm set, and I'm thinking, well,

1490
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 1: the way this is going, they're gonna come one behind

1491
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: the other, I'm gonna shoot and possibly killing both. So

1492
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen. And they get within

1493
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: about fifty yards and they slowed down, and the sun

1494
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: is kind of in my face, and I have glasses

1495
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: and even though i have the net down, face mask net,

1496
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: face mask net, and I've got I don't have one

1497
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: of those fancy turkey hunting shotguns with the camo on

1498
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: it and stuff. I've just got a you know, farm boy,

1499
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: farm boy eight. And so I'm ready. I mean, I'm

1500
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: not moving, and nothing's happening. And then they still sort

1501
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 1: of stopped. They got Leary Lear, what do you think,

1502
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: what do you think they were suspicious of? Because you

1503
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: guys had like one of two things. It was either

1504
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Doug or the decoys. Did you fast? I'm not saying

1505
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: it was Doug. I'm just I don't think it was.

1506
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: They could have been anything else. You feel like you

1507
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 1: did a fast movement. No, I felt like I was

1508
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: very still. And I mean when I saw him coming,

1509
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I got my I dug my heel into the ground,

1510
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 1: got my knee up with the shotgun on it. I

1511
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: was ready for they were gonna walk right into me.

1512
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: I'll say one thing at Turkey hates movement. I don't

1513
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: think I moved, and I had built a little screen

1514
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I had. I was set up for accusing moving. Yeah,

1515
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: decoys are not fool proof. They can make it nervous.

1516
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: They could have seen something, well, the white tail feathers

1517
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: of some bit and travel here, come all the way

1518
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: out here from Montandard Messadar women. So I arranged it

1519
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: after the fact. But I guessed at that point that

1520
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: to that to be about forty yards, and I thought

1521
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep coming and I'm gonna wait until they

1522
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: get right in front of me. And they stopped at

1523
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: forty yards and they took this began to take this

1524
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: little turn down into the woods and the first one

1525
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: they were done. They're well, no, because they were doing

1526
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of following the same route that uh, Jake's had

1527
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: earlier of the one that I shot, although I didn't

1528
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: know they had that Jake's had followed that route where

1529
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: they well, it makes sense. They Jakes were down there

1530
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: in the woods when we saw him and around they can.

1531
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: We actually saw the Jakes twice do that same move.

1532
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: So for a second, I thought I should wait because

1533
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: they're going to come out into those decoys right in

1534
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: front of Janni and he's been well, he's the world's

1535
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: most affable man, and I just have this. Uh, it's

1536
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: his turn because I shot one earlier. For a second,

1537
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: there's all that stuff went through my head in one second,

1538
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: then went I thought about him for that split second,

1539
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: disregarded those thoughts. Well, that one he had stuck his

1540
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: head up. So I shot, and he rolled and then

1541
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: he got up and he ran into the was running

1542
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: into the pine. So I shot again, and then I

1543
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: got up and uh made a pretty quick sprint. It

1544
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: was not the word that I would use, but I

1545
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: peeked around the corner and I thought there was an

1546
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 1: Olympic sprint going on who same bolt was out in front.

1547
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Doug was right behind him. So I tear down to

1548
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: where that turkey went up into the trees and there

1549
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: it's a pine plantation, so there's rose, you know, and

1550
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: I can see that bird up there. So and now

1551
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: he's further so I raised the shotgun up a little

1552
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: bit further and I shoot again, and I only had

1553
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: three shells in the gun. I tried, well, I mean,

1554
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I thought you guys were in a gunfight with a

1555
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: neighboring land so okay, I actually grabbed dirt, grabbed shells,

1556
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: started going up there because I was out and likes,

1557
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: we need some help up here. So now I've shot

1558
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: three times. And when I shot at the bird the

1559
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: three times, the third time he disappeared into that into

1560
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the next strip. But I'm out of my My gun

1561
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: is empty. So I reached the vest and I'm trying

1562
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: to jam shells into the thing, and you know, you're

1563
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: I was really excited. I mean, he was a big bird,

1564
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: he you know, So I jammed shells in and I'm

1565
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: you know, realizing two things that I think this bird

1566
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: just got away and I may have pulled my hamstring,

1567
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: and so I'm starting to limp a little bit, and

1568
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: I look up the hill and I kind of go

1569
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit, looking up the different

1570
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: priine rows, and now I see this bird and he's

1571
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 1: heading for the the south west corner of the of

1572
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: the pines. He was thinking that, I'm gonna head towards

1573
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: south west corner. He was thinking I'm gonna get out

1574
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: of here. But he was limping two so he was

1575
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of he wasn't He was not at his best,

1576
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. And so I made my

1577
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: way over a couple of more rows and moved up

1578
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: the hill closer to where he was, and it was

1579
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,560
Speaker 1: almost up that's fourteen acres and he was almost to

1580
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the top of that fourteen acres. And then when he

1581
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: stepped out, I shot him and blouch and finished him.

1582
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: When I cleaned that bird, I think I hit him

1583
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: all four times, just not very well. Any of those times. Well,

1584
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: the last time I hit him good enough, but but yeah,

1585
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: that was It sounds bad. You know, some people might

1586
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: be thinking, man, chasing after a bird, Yeah, I'm thinking

1587
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: that when it happens, you don't always make the perfect shot,

1588
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: and when a turkey gets back up and starts going,

1589
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: you have to just do whatever it takes. At that point,

1590
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: they don't like, yeah you gotta go, yeah, yeah, go

1591
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: after you listen, if everyone was super concerned about the

1592
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: well being of the turkey, you wouldn't shoot at in

1593
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: the first place. So it's like it's like at that point, yeah,

1594
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna like let it run off, crippled up. I

1595
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: also had that one second when I shot, because I've

1596
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: never had one run off before. When he rolled, I

1597
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: had that second, that second him and then ship he's running. Dude,

1598
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a seasoned turkey hunter's got that second

1599
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: shell it right. Yeah, but like I I catch myself.

1600
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: They go down so dramatically. Did I catch myself now?

1601
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, like not doing it. But I've

1602
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,719
Speaker 1: hunted turkeys with a lot of guys. They they shoot

1603
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: and they're racking that second round and they're already up

1604
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: and walking before the turkeys had even hits the ground.

1605
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 1: The storm net turkey because they've lived through that. You

1606
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: rolled it. And and years ago one of the first

1607
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: turkey hunts I went on, We're hunting on a very

1608
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: steep mountain, side, and I pasted a turkey, called in

1609
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: with a box call shot it. It went down. We're

1610
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: all excited because we're just trying to figure out turkey

1611
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: hunt and actually called into turkey turned back just in

1612
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: time to watch that turkey set its wings and take off,

1613
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: never to be seen again. Well, I racked another show,

1614
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: all right, from now on when I shoot turkey watching

1615
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: the turkey, Well, I mean that's what I did, you know,

1616
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just hunting, you know everything, right, But yeah,

1617
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: that's how I am. I mean I touched that trigger

1618
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: and aside from making a bad shot and lifting your

1619
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: head off the gun too quickly, but yeah, as soon

1620
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: as I know I've hit him, I mean I'm out

1621
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: of that seat and running towards him. Yeah. I don't

1622
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: get up as quickly as you guys do though, either.

1623
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, so I kind of got to get to

1624
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: my knee and that up. No, it depends on because

1625
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: of the turkey. Like the jake got shot today, it

1626
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: was close. Oh he didn't have a chance here. Well no,

1627
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean besides that, like I don't need to get

1628
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: up and run over there. Yeah I could from a

1629
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: seated position. He he's got twenty five yards to cover

1630
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: before he's out of range. So if I just right,

1631
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't need to like he can stand up, like

1632
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: he stands up. I have seconds of him, you know well,

1633
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: And so I had that sort of like the second

1634
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: of well, maybe I'll let him go to Ni. I

1635
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: had that second of oh I got him. But when

1636
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm about the next shelling and I'm I'm getting up

1637
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: and it happened that fast where he's going into the tree,

1638
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's going into the pintes. He was like,

1639
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: but I had shot him again, as he had a

1640
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: happy and it had a happy end, not for him,

1641
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: for you, for dr No. Doug was so impressed. He said,

1642
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: from now on, if Yanni told him if we're going

1643
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 1: out naked, Doug would say, hold on a minute. While

1644
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: I stripped out, He's like, when the eagle tells me

1645
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:30,560
Speaker 1: to do something, I do it. Well, that's that I

1646
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: did say that, and which makes me which makes me

1647
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: a tad You wonder if I want to see it

1648
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: makes me a little jealous. It makes me a little jealous. Um.

1649
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: So the last turcue we have to talk about, and

1650
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: there's a this is an unfinished no matter what we

1651
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: do here, this is an unfinished story because me and Yan,

1652
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: you're heading back out into the woods right quick here, um,

1653
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: so who knows where it's going. But the last turcue

1654
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: we have to talk out. I went out this morning,

1655
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: so all right, Dirt, now I'm gonna try to do

1656
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,560
Speaker 1: this quick. Me and Dirt went out last night to

1657
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 1: check out a different property down the road owned by

1658
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: a friend, a family friend, not my family friend, Dugs.

1659
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: And we get out there and he's like, you know

1660
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: what I would do is I would go and take

1661
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: a look up there and and have a look sie.

1662
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: And I even kicked around, not grabbing my scatter gun

1663
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: just because we're just gonna go up and try to

1664
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 1: roost one. No, yeah, I'll grab a shotgun. And we

1665
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 1: get up to a spot and I rip out a

1666
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: power crow come and like bird gobbls not far away

1667
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: at all. So we kind of moved over a little bit,

1668
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: didn't do a taco and all that ship just got

1669
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: set up because this bird is gonna come. It's that

1670
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: time of day. And I started hand calling and he

1671
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: just starts triple gobblin. He's like shot goblin himself. Yeah,

1672
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 1: I thought it was just like Goblin is ass off.

1673
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: But he's got a hand with him, and they're coming

1674
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: through the woods just out of range, going down, down, down, down,

1675
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: and I can't figure out he will not peel off

1676
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: that hen And all of a sudden the hand. It's evening,

1677
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the hand flies up into

1678
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: a roof tree. Oh, I was gonna ask you. It's

1679
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: a good reminder. What time did they roost? I'm very

1680
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: interested in that. Yes, s yeah, no, no, the sun

1681
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: was set, but it was so seven thirty or something. Yeah, seven.

1682
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: She flew up in a tree. But here's the thing,

1683
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: I now question what I thought. I mean, absolutely, she

1684
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,799
Speaker 1: flew up in a tree, but I remember being surprised

1685
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: at how low the limb was that she landed on.

1686
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Remember thinking like, what, what's weird that she's like the

1687
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: roose higher than that? Right? Yeah, well, I think they

1688
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: hoped limbs sometimes, so I caught. They get down and

1689
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: he's gobbling his face off, and he's full strut down

1690
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 1: in the woods on a steep slope which is not

1691
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 1: a normal like strung area, and she flies up to

1692
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 1: a limb a dead snag, and he's on the ground,

1693
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking that now I'm wonder like is it

1694
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: possible to call a gobbler away from like a hen

1695
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: up in a tree and he just carries out and

1696
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: gobbles and gobbles and gobbles and gobbles and gobbles, and

1697
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he just goes quiet, and by

1698
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 1: the time it's dusky, goes quiet. And then I hear

1699
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: a loud branch snap, and I felt, oh, he jumped

1700
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,560
Speaker 1: into his tree. He's up there too, and they're just

1701
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna work their way up into that roost. So we

1702
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: belly crawl out of there, and then we come back

1703
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: in the pre dawned darkness and get set up, not

1704
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 1: anywhere near them, but like up on the little ridge

1705
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: top where they might go to get set up. Morning

1706
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: comes on, start scratching out a couple of hand calls,

1707
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and the roost, the roosting birds that were gobblin. We're

1708
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: not gobbling from that tree, So I don't know if

1709
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: we belly crawled out of there, they we bumped them well,

1710
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: But there was other other gobblers. There's four gobblers this morning. Yeah,

1711
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: but no one was gobbling from that tree from that area.

1712
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: But could have they like he said you had mentioned,

1713
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: maybe he actually peeled. That's what I think I think

1714
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: that when now when I look at it, I think

1715
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: she jumped up in that limb, and then there was

1716
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: enough disturbance with us calling him carrying on us belly

1717
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: crawling out of there. I think they still had enough daily.

1718
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I think they moved. I think they went down to

1719
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 1: hop into a different roost tree further down the hill,

1720
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: or they were just absolutely dead silent this morning. So

1721
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: we're calling this morning and we're hearing goblin and they finchy.

1722
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: We can tell they kind of flew down, and then

1723
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, bouch, some guy shoots right by

1724
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: us so that I could hear his bird flopping around

1725
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. We left. Come back here and get

1726
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: Doug run around doing farm chore activities. Get him go

1727
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: up the hill, stretch out his hamstrings. He wants to

1728
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 1: stretch his hamstring. Walk over to a neighboring property, blow

1729
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 1: a power crow in my ear. Dogs here, Doug shot gobbles,

1730
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:20,799
Speaker 1: another turkey, shot gobbles. Get all set up, start scratching

1731
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 1: out some hand calls, and he doesn't show up, but

1732
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: a giant package Jake shows like a bunch of them,

1733
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and they come running in and wanting to slaughter my

1734
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: decoin I shot one, but it's incomplete story because I

1735
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: wish I had more turkey permits, because I have more

1736
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: ideas than there are tags left. But I'll say it publicly.

1737
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: You can come back. I'd like to have you come back,

1738
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't want you'd be incomplete in

1739
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 1: your turkey hunting. Here. Will come back as long as

1740
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: Johnny comes back with you. That's the only condition. Hey, man,

1741
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: you're she only a be Dirt. Yesterday, Dirt, a chipmunk

1742
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 1: goes run along. Chipmunk goes run along, and there's like

1743
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: there's a squirrel and it hops up a new tree

1744
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what Dirt's like? And then Dirt spreads

1745
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: his hands out like two ft apart and goes, no,

1746
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: what I saw coming was this long now? And I'm like,

1747
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: but where is it now? Because Dirt, it's five ft

1748
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 1: from me. Garrett recently had LASI and I'm wondering for

1749
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 1: some money back. Well his eyes just having adjusted, thank you.

1750
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: He wouldn't he wouldn't give up on it. I'm like, Dirt,

1751
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: that's a chipmunk. He's like, no, it must have been too.

1752
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: He like it must have been a chipmunk and a

1753
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 1: squirrel come running right now next to you, next to you,

1754
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: just hanging on to that farm wrestling, and he's like,

1755
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 1: and now only the chipmunk's here and you didn't see

1756
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 1: what I saw, and like, won't give it up. I

1757
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: gave it up, though fairly quick after that I did.

1758
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,640
Speaker 1: I did try. It was like three tries before you

1759
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: find gis. Well, one more condition would be that that

1760
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: dirt came along with you, or was allowed to come along.

1761
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: Don't don't make it too tricky for me to ever

1762
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: fulfill the situation. I can't just come out here with

1763
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: my kids. Well, yeah, you can come out of here

1764
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 1: with your kids too. I was described, you know what.

1765
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: I was on the phone my boy this morning he'll

1766
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: be seven in a couple of days here and now

1767
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: was describing to him the kind of He says, was

1768
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 1: it in the woods or in the field? And I said, well,

1769
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: we're in an area that's sort of mixed wood lots

1770
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: and farmland, and he goes, is it like where we

1771
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: hunted with Doug? And I said it is so, so

1772
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 1: he remember, And I just like that. He's asking like

1773
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: those are savvy questions. It is, yeah, No, he's he's

1774
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: a hunter. He's gonna be a hunter man. He's real

1775
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: curious about animals. Um, very very curious about animals. Now, Yanni,

1776
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: were gonna go out in the woods. I have a

1777
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: hunt plan. You have your own hunt plan. Yeah, I

1778
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: think we are in agredient. Is that a word, Dirk

1779
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:15,560
Speaker 1: and do? Is that a word? I think agreement? I

1780
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: like it. There's two kinds of Remember that there's a

1781
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that there's a descriptive approach to language in a in

1782
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: a in a prescriptive approach to language. So some dictionaries

1783
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: are descriptive in nature that they want to capture. Oh,

1784
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: y'all need just pulled it up what website? I just

1785
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't have the confidence. Yeah, sectionary dot com. Pulled up

1786
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: at a better dictionary to go to Websters pulled up

1787
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: on webster dot com. So y'any just pulled it up

1788
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 1: on what This is perfect because it tells what I'm saying.

1789
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: Y'alli just pulled it up on what would be known

1790
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: as a descriptive dictionary. So a descriptive dictionaries, like our

1791
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: job is to tell you how to use the language.

1792
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 1: Our job is to capture how the language is used.

1793
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: A prescriptive dictionary is telling you how to use the

1794
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: language so agreeance. It's like someone might say, I feel

1795
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 1: that it was a successful There was a successful use

1796
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: of the language. We're not we're not an agreeance. Everyone

1797
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: knew what he was talking about. It worked, he got

1798
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: his point across. That's what language is here for, is

1799
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: to facilitate communication. It's like a right. Like I teach

1800
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 1: my kids, I'm like, use ain't, just use it. And

1801
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: my wife has a prescriptive approach and she's like, it's

1802
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: just try to shy away from a like don't go

1803
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: out of your like contrary to what your father is

1804
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: telling you. Don't go out of your way to say ain't.

1805
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 1: But I like to I like that tension in the

1806
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:00,080
Speaker 1: language of of um good word, choice and ship you

1807
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: were choice all rolled in together because it creates the

1808
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: same tension that you get when you have a modern

1809
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: home with with antlers in it. That's interesting. Yeah, it's

1810
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: all about full circle and consistency. Yeah, and I think

1811
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: you do that in your writing also. You know what

1812
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: I think about, Well, yeah, what do I like about

1813
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: my beloved friend Doug, with whom I've passed many an

1814
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 1: autumn day? It is such a freaking right. You know,

1815
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 1: I gotta finald I want to do my concluder first.

1816
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: If you like turkeys and you like turkey hunting, and

1817
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: you're curious about turkeys, you should go and join and

1818
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 1: lend your support to the National Wild Turkey Federation. Yeah.

1819
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: Some people might be like, oh, yeah, but they already

1820
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: did all the work because there's turkeys everywhere. But it's like,

1821
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: it's not like we're in the good old days of

1822
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: turkeys right now. But there's no real reason to think

1823
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: when you look at the EBB and flow. If there's

1824
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 1: a reason to think that we're going to remain in

1825
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 1: the good old days of turkeys, there's gonna be disease issues,

1826
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 1: habitat issues, legal issues right like attacks on the very

1827
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 1: culture of hunting. Um access issues like do you have

1828
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: a way to get on to land the shirts turkeys everywhere?

1829
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 1: If there's nowhere to if you can't get on the

1830
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: ground to hunt them, you got a problem. Um I

1831
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 1: would I always joy I am a member National Ball

1832
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Turkey Federation. Yeah. I think right now they have a

1833
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 1: thing going. Uh you already are. Remember they have a

1834
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: thing called turkey Karma going. I think that's for like

1835
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: ten bucks you can buy like a turkey Karma coin

1836
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 1: and you get to put it on your Instagram account

1837
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: or something, but it's just you know, actually showing you're

1838
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: kicking a little money for turky. Yeah, did that ten

1839
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: box this spring? You know. No, if you're some guy

1840
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: and you've been out hunting turkeys for the last ten

1841
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 1: years and haven't pitched in a dime like payoff man,

1842
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 1: because the reason you're hunting turkeys, like most places, and

1843
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: unless you live in the swamps of Alabama or South

1844
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 1: Carolina or something, you're if you're hunt turkeys right now,

1845
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 1: you're hunting turkeys because that organization. And damn sure if

1846
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: you're hunting turkeys and one of the many many states

1847
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: and never had turkeys, If you're hunting turkeys and one

1848
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,799
Speaker 1: of the eight states that now has a turkey season

1849
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: the historically had no turkeys, pay up. That's my thought.

1850
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Doug Well, I agree with that. Uh, but if you

1851
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: hunt or live in the Kasnovia area, don't hunt turkeys.

1852
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: No hunt turkeys, and and support our little local organs, turkeys,

1853
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: turkey busters, all that bunch of good friends who are

1854
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: part of that, and we do all kinds of good

1855
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: stuff in the area trying to help turks out, not

1856
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 1: just turks, but just kind of helping wildlife and and

1857
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 1: uh we stock we're buying stock, walllightes and stuff in

1858
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: the in the lake in Kasinovia. UM do good things

1859
01:48:56,040 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: for the community and support landowners and turkeys. Went. And

1860
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: there are members who belong both the Cast Turkey Busters

1861
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: into the National Wild Turkey Federation. But so if you're in,

1862
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: if you're one of the three people in the Casanova area,

1863
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: I think we've got up to half a dozen members,

1864
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: which actually the town because they're all no there. It's

1865
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 1: it's a really nice group of people, some from uh

1866
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 1: just folks who yeah, outside of Casanova. Um and UM,

1867
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: but I know I would join a group called the

1868
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Casanova Turkey Busters. Well, I just want to say a

1869
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of good friends and and really good uh good

1870
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: times with those guys. And can you give me for

1871
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: instance of what is a thing that the kas Turkey

1872
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: Busters what would be a thing that they've done for turkeys? Uh,

1873
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: food plot installations, um specific to turkeys, you know, corn

1874
01:49:55,479 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: and sorghum and and that sort of stuff. Um. And

1875
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: encouraging landowners by uh we have a party every summer. Um.

1876
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 1: But encouraging landowners to allow people to access their property,

1877
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, with permission. And if if that's happening, then

1878
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: we invite him to this party with a nice, really

1879
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: nice party every sun for the local landowners. Yeah, yeah,

1880
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 1: that's nice. Yeah, it is cass Turkey busters people. Yeah,

1881
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: if you're living Reno, join up. Pat Um. I think

1882
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: thirty bucks stuffed on the wall and here's what he

1883
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 1: has to say, and two turkeys and two animals too,

1884
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: prong horns. Um. The thing I think is coolest about

1885
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 1: turkey hunting we did it today again, was it's a

1886
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: low tension hunt compared like deer hunting. Deer hunting tends.

1887
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know who you've been hunting. Yeah, but it's

1888
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 1: a trick. It's it's a fun thing that hurts me

1889
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: a little bits. I think I never realized how important

1890
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,560
Speaker 1: it was to have a good, good hunting partner with

1891
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, because I used to always go with my

1892
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: daughter Leah when she was around, from the time she

1893
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: was about ten years old and she couldn't hunt to

1894
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: a time she went off the Navy, which was like

1895
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: twelve years later. I always had this good little partner

1896
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: and she had great she has great hearing, and my

1897
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 1: hearing is really off. My left ear is not very good,

1898
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 1: my right ears. Yeah, and so it's really cool to

1899
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 1: I always have this little guide with me almost and

1900
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: then um, when she went off and left, we left

1901
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: the navy, my interest in turkey hunting just really wasn't

1902
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 1: all that all that strong. Yeah, and I think I don't.

1903
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have that problem with deer hunting or elk hunting.

1904
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 1: I still love it. I can go by myself all

1905
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: the time not think twice about the like with Yanni

1906
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:53,679
Speaker 1: last day and a half, it was really cool again

1907
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: beer on someone that has good sharp hearing, good sharp.

1908
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 1: My eyesight is pretty good. But it was just reminds

1909
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: me how much fun it was to hear that gobble

1910
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: the man. Yeah, I was wondering if your daughter would

1911
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 1: think that she had a good hunting partner. Um. I

1912
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,799
Speaker 1: actually addressed that in my my father at the bride speech,

1913
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 1: that she took one for the team. You know, she Lee,

1914
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 1: It was Lee was great that way she um, she

1915
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 1: talk about her like she's dead. No, well, when it

1916
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: k she joined the navy, she made she moved away,

1917
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: and no, I shouldn't talk that way. That way, but

1918
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 1: it has the sentimental side of me that misses that.

1919
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: And I get you. She'll come back for for deer

1920
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: hunting because that's still probably her favorite thing to do.

1921
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 1: But she she only has so much time left to

1922
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: do things, you know, she has she has to work

1923
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 1: for a living, and so she didn't gonna come back

1924
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: for the spring hunt. Like yeahest and I were walking

1925
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: on today and think what a wonderful time to be

1926
01:52:55,439 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: in the woods, and oh my god, it's beautiful around here. Man. Yeah, dude,

1927
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: this is like if I if I had a job

1928
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 1: like to paint, uh, like butter packages and ship like that,

1929
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: I'll just come out here or like paint Like if

1930
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, man, paint the painting for the front

1931
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: of a milk jug, I'd come out here and paint

1932
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: this area this time of year beautiful. It's not like

1933
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: when you come here in the snow's blowing sideways and

1934
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: you can't get the you can't get the screen door open.

1935
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, but like right now it's like, holy shit, gorgeous. Man.

1936
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: You know, deer hunting it's always just kindless endurance element there. Yes,

1937
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: it's like he's very like these like valleys and all

1938
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: these openings and pastures and like wood lots, and it's

1939
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 1: just beautiful, big pictures everywhere right now in the trees.

1940
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,560
Speaker 1: If you took away the greenness of the meadows, the

1941
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: canopy is almost as colorful as it is in the fall.

1942
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's reds and oranges, all kinds of greens. Dude,

1943
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: this gorgeous around here. Man. It makes where I'm from

1944
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: look like ugly. And I thought, you know, it's a

1945
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: good looking area. But man, in Michigan where from? Yeah,

1946
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: But what you guys have going for you is is

1947
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:14,600
Speaker 1: the topography you have, like discernible valleys and stuff, the

1948
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 1: driftless area. So that was Mikelin hot And was it

1949
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 1: fun to be here again? Well, please come back, dirt.

1950
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: What's your concluder? I want to get out, letting you

1951
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: go last, because I'm punishing you about the chipmunk squirrel.

1952
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 1: I won't make that mistake again. And I do want

1953
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 1: a turkey hunt. Now. I don't know if this season,

1954
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: because we're going we're gonna be away for work again,

1955
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: but I do want a turkey hut. And I want

1956
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: to I want to take either a Jake or a

1957
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Tom Edward. That was your conclude that's yours. You're fired up.

1958
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: Say when we get shoot four days left in Montana,

1959
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 1: Dirt Man, No, but I was towny, and you guys

1960
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: are gonna ostracize me for this. It's boating season. All

1961
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: the rivers are swelled up and rapid. That's the other

1962
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: reason I'm not letting Dirt go last is last year

1963
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Dirt like, it's like, it's like elk season. So I

1964
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 1: give Dirt a rifle, give him a bunch of ammunition.

1965
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh here, go get him Dirt because he had some

1966
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: time off. Two days elk season opens up, and it's

1967
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: not like Dirt couldn't go into the mountains. Dirt goes

1968
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: into the mountains during elk season, into elk country to

1969
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: go ice climb because it was a unique like what

1970
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: like yeah, He's like, oh, it's just once in a

1971
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 1: lifetime thing where this little icy area. So he's up

1972
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: like walking up to ice climb up in the mountains,

1973
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 1: passing by him bullshitting with elk hunters. I'm like, how

1974
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: could you do that? I'm spoiled. I gotta do a

1975
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 1: lot of you know, observation of the beauty of hunting

1976
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: for work. So when I'm off work. We should maybe

1977
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 1: cut him off on the free teat of milk or

1978
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: of meat that comes out of the meat shoots. Yeah,

1979
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,520
Speaker 1: because Dirt always gets a cut of the meat that

1980
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 1: pack and help with it. His old ladies being probably

1981
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: killing more stuffs last couple of years, and he had

1982
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 1: so he's got meat at home. He didn't have to

1983
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 1: go home. Yea dirts old anyone else shot him shot

1984
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 1: a buck all by herself in the season called it.

1985
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 1: What's the weird part about that is that was one

1986
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: of the rare days when Dirt actually went hunting, but

1987
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 1: he went hunting with other people elsewhere. Well, and I'd

1988
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: hunted with his girlfriend who had never hunted before, is

1989
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: hunting by herself on dirts like off hunting with other

1990
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 1: guys in another spot, and she kills a buck. Well,

1991
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: I got a buck that same day. But yeah, I

1992
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: should have been here to bring a book with her

1993
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: to figure out how to gut it. Pictures of your book, No,

1994
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 1: we had We had went together a handful of times

1995
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: that year. You had already gone together. Yeah, and we

1996
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 1: had a blast. But all right, Yeah, I know what

1997
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: you're concluding through real quick. Another reason to pass on

1998
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the Jake early in the hunt. Is that Lenny Longbeard

1999
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 1: k A k A Tommy has a much higher Um? Yeah,

2000
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 1: Ronnie Rope dragger. Um. We're learning about alliteration the other

2001
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: day with the kids. Anyways, Um, that would be a

2002
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: good book dirt on literation. Like we weighed some birds

2003
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: this week, right, we should have weighed the processed like

2004
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: the take home meat. But you know, Dougs, Jake is

2005
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: a power. Jake comes in fifteen and a half. Both

2006
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 1: your birds are plus it's a sub. You're talking about

2007
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 1: ten more pounds on there. The feathers don't weigh that much.

2008
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot more meat. Yea tough meat. My brother Danny,

2009
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm just talking my brother. Listen, don't shoot the messenger.

2010
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: My brother Danny uh targets Jake's because he thinks the

2011
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 1: meat is better. Yeah, go ahead. I think if you

2012
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: prepare it right, and you have a hard time telling personally,

2013
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 1: but we did that Jake. Meat came off that Jake.

2014
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: Meat came off the smoker and you could just gnaw

2015
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: into that thigh like it was a chicken. So go

2016
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 1: ahead with your concluding thought. Put that in your concluding thought,

2017
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 1: that that Jake was brined for twenty four hours, then

2018
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: smoked on low heat for three plus hours. Very well prepared.

2019
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Might have something to do with the way at eight um.

2020
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: We Uh, my family and I did one breast off

2021
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: of a mature golber the other day, turkey nugget style,

2022
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: and uh, we had leftovers and we were it was

2023
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 1: the first turkey turkey breast. Yeah, and we were, you know,

2024
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 1: we were. It was the first turkey nuggets of the year.

2025
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 1: People were excited. I mean the kids were eating them

2026
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,080
Speaker 1: right out of the fry. And then we sat down

2027
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 1: had dinner and like I was sick, you know, from

2028
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: eating too many, and we had leftovers. Yeah, just have

2029
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 1: We only used half a breast for the schnitzel. Yeah,

2030
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and that was fun. We used one. Yeah, that's what

2031
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well half. When I said that, I think

2032
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 1: if it's a turkey dishes schnitzel with pancoat and lemons

2033
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 1: and then a little potato sell vinegare potato salad, just

2034
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 1: like potato cell potato sell, because that's what those mugs.

2035
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: And Austin I used to go to an Austrian restaurant

2036
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and I would get the venus. There's some kind of schnitzel.

2037
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:00,680
Speaker 1: They schnitzeled every damn thing they got their hands on

2038
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: over there, and it would schnitzel out. I don't know

2039
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 1: what part where were those boys like the schnitzel eyes.

2040
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 1: They would schnitzel it and serve with the cell. So

2041
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: that's what I started doing with my turks. And holy mackerel,

2042
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: is that good? It is? Um? All right, Yahny, we

2043
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 1: gotta go back in the woods. Thanks for listening to

2044
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 1: never know what happened. Bouch