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Speaker 1: Countdown starts not live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

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Speaker 1: Here's Brian no, Rich Ornberger and Jared Smith.

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Speaker 2: Oh what is going on? Everybody? Welcome in, Happy Saturday

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Speaker 2: to you. Football is well, football is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Hope's better than that.

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Speaker 2: Everything is just delightful, you know. Good morning, Rich, Good

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Speaker 2: morning Jared.

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Speaker 4: I'll be thanks the lightful with.

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Speaker 2: You guys as well.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: This is not to pick a fight. You know, every

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Speaker 2: now and then I come off like I'm picking a fight,

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Speaker 2: and I don't. I mean, uh, I mean goodwill this morning. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but uh there. It was a little disagreeable to start

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Speaker 2: the show last week. So I just want to do

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Speaker 2: a little experiment here. I want to see if it's

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Speaker 2: possible that agreement can take place. Okay, so I prepared

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Speaker 2: a couple of statements. I want to see if we're

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Speaker 2: all on the same page. First off, water is wet.

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Speaker 2: We're good with that. We have any counter arguments.

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Speaker 3: To that, or well there is.

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Speaker 5: There is the contingent of folks who say that water

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Speaker 5: itself can't be wet because an object has to be

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Speaker 5: covered in water in order to be wet.

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Speaker 3: Is water?

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: See now I thought this would be a layup.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of like a finger roll over a

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Speaker 2: seven foot or in the lane over.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All right, how about this? Tom Brady is the goat.

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Speaker 2: We're good with that, Okay, I think now this this one,

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Speaker 2: I could send some pushback here. But you know, Starry

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Speaker 2: the soft drink, so it's it's sponsors like the w

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Speaker 2: n B A three point shade out last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: fake sprite. I don't think it tastes very good.

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Speaker 3: That's just you guys.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about Star.

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Speaker 4: Only drink diet coke? So that's really all right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I've experiences with Starry. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's all right.

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Speaker 4: It's nowhere diet story. I don't drink. I don't drink

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Speaker 4: calories anymore.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I don't know that there is. I'll be

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Speaker 2: on the lookout, but I guess that that's pretty awful. Also,

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Speaker 2: I love subway. I used to love getting sprite with subway.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys are like this. Depending

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Speaker 2: on the restaurant and the meal, I might go coke,

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Speaker 2: I might go PEPSI I might go mountain, dude, depends.

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Speaker 4: On what I switch up your brand. Yes, get a choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go with like a dark soda. If it's subway,

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Speaker 2: always sprite. No more sprite. It's starry, it's storry.

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Speaker 4: It's freaking dark. It's like white wine with fishe ye

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Speaker 4: with yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, okay, So all right, a couple of agreements.

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Speaker 2: This is good because I want to throw something out

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Speaker 2: there where I just want to set this up where

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of topics in sports, I

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Speaker 2: think that both sides are understandable. I think that you

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Speaker 2: can make a really strong argument on either side of

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of times in sports that's the case.

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Speaker 2: This I don't think is one of those times. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So the latest story is Caitlin Clark is banged up.

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Speaker 2: She's not gonna play in the All Star Game, right.

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Speaker 2: She tweaked a goin muscle right before the All Star break,

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Speaker 2: and so she's not gonna be competing tonight, and I think,

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Speaker 2: whoever takes her place, and I don't know that off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head, whoever's going to take her

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Speaker 2: place in the game, that player is a replacement. Now

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Speaker 2: that player will be deemed an All Star replacement. And

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Speaker 2: if you go to her like basketball reference page, she's

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Speaker 2: all Star.

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Speaker 3: You have.

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Speaker 2: This traces back to the MLB All Star Game where

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Speaker 2: Jacob Mazerowski, the Brewers pitcher. He pitched five games, five starts,

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Speaker 2: and because some other pitchers couldn't make it, he was

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Speaker 2: to his Baseball Reference page, you'll see one x All Star.

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Speaker 2: He is an All Star. Technically, I think that is garbage.

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Speaker 2: I think that if you are filling in, if you're

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Speaker 2: you know, if you're a replacement, that's all you are.

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Speaker 2: You're a filling You're a replacement. You're not an All Star,

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Speaker 2: you were not voted in. You're a seat filler at

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Speaker 2: the Grammy Awards, Like, those aren't your seats, You're just

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Speaker 2: back to their seats. Are you guys with me on this,

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Speaker 2: because a lot of people think that even if you're

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: They just calling quarterbacks left and right. They finally get

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Speaker 2: to Tyler Huntley and he's like, yeah, oh boy, he's

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Speaker 2: You should only have fill in status, is what I say.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyler Huntley is the most egregious example of this

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Speaker 5: in the NFL, but it's happened before, and to be

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Speaker 5: perfectly honest with you, some of the actual Pro bowlers

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Speaker 5: over the years didn't deserve it either, And the reason

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Speaker 3: It is basically basically a popularity contest.

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Speaker 5: The way the voting works, even at the NFL level,

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Speaker 5: it'll make you sick if you care about it, because

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Speaker 5: oftentimes the player votes are done by the lowest ranking

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Speaker 5: Veteran players will oftentimes find a rookie dump their Pro

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Speaker 5: get this done. Handed in just so that they have

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Speaker 5: something to hand in, you know. And and by the way,

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Speaker 5: there are plenty of players who abstain from voting on

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Speaker 3: Look, it's it's kind of farcical at the end of

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Speaker 5: Don't I don't know how much weight it carries with

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Speaker 5: hot and bothered over a replacement being named an All

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Speaker 5: an All Star. They're just participating in the Skills Challenger, a.

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Speaker 3: Game that they they weren't. That's not the award that was.

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Speaker 5: Intended for them. That's that's just not how it works.

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Speaker 5: It's not like if a SGA I don't know, say

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Speaker 5: he had an ingrown toenail and couldn't play in the

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Speaker 5: game before the MVP was announced, they had to what

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Speaker 5: name a new MVP.

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Speaker 3: That's not how that works, right. It's an award that

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Speaker 3: goes to the most valuable player.

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Speaker 5: Just because he has an ingrown toenail doesn't mean he's

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Speaker 5: no longer the most valuable.

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Speaker 3: Like that's so the Hayes in the Barn, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I think we are in complete agreement

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Speaker 5: with the premise of the debate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's semantics, right. I'm assuming

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Speaker 6: that there's something in the language of each league's collective

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Speaker 6: you get this, and then the agents use it as

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Speaker 6: a negotiation tactic later. Like I think it's just kind

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Speaker 6: of you know, it's just like a formality. I don't

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Speaker 6: it's just like, I I agree, it's just like a technicality,

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know, I don't know if it's anything

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Speaker 4: Change because someone has to play in the game.

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Speaker 6: Like let's say all the best players in the league

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Speaker 6: are injured, you just don't have an All Star game

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Speaker 6: because there's technically no actual All Star Like you have

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Speaker 6: to play the game or just cancel the game. I mean,

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Speaker 6: to be fair, Actually, here's my take on this. All

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Speaker 6: Star games are stupid.

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Speaker 4: They're stupid. All of them.

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Speaker 2: Let's go through each one and let's name each one.

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Speaker 2: But it's not about it's not about the game. It's

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Speaker 2: about the status that comes with people.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: But what I'm telling you right now, why even have it, Like,

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Speaker 6: why even have all Star games? They're all they're all

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Speaker 6: really stupid, all of them. The Pro Bowl is completely relevant.

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Speaker 6: Let's not even name Pro Bowl. Let's let's not even

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Speaker 6: name people to the Pro Bowl. Let's just have All

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Speaker 6: Pro and that's it. The NBA, that game has become

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Speaker 6: completely ridiculous. The NHL actually does have like a fun

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Speaker 6: format that is intriguing. And baseball has so many players,

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Speaker 6: like there's a lot of players in these in this game. Well,

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Speaker 6: how many players in the game. You have to have

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Speaker 6: twenty five on a roster, so it's fifty sixty, seventy all.

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Speaker 4: Stars, Like it's a lot.

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Speaker 6: It's it's at some point you water down the word

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Speaker 6: all Star. It doesn't really mean anything. So I think

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Speaker 6: having the game itself is irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: Let's go or let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Let's call it something different.

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Speaker 6: Let's call it the exhibition with the best players that

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Speaker 6: are currently healthy. Like, let's just call it something different,

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Speaker 6: because I think in general, the All Star Game itself

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Speaker 6: because of the fact that these guys, to Brian's point,

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Speaker 6: if they have an ingrown tono, they're not going to play.

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Speaker 6: And I it's kind of speaks to how important being

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Speaker 2: I don't know about it whatever, but yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: think it's dumb to name a replacement an actual All Star.

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Speaker 2: That's the bottom light. You guys could take it from

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Speaker 2: there wherever you want to go. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: that complex. I just think it's dumb. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why these leagues make it more complicated than it needs

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Speaker 3: What happened with.

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Speaker 2: Baseball was ridiculous, where a couple of pitchers they pitched

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Speaker 2: right before the All Star Game and they weren't available

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Speaker 2: to pitch in the All Star Game. It's like it

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Speaker 2: happens if you pitched on Sunday and the games on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna be available. Okay, they got a name

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Speaker 2: or replacement player, and so they reached out to a

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Speaker 2: couple of Phillies players Christopher Sanchez Ranger Suarez, much more

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Speaker 2: deserving than Miserowski. They couldn't pitch in the game. Either

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Speaker 2: they pitched on Saturday and Sunday respectively. You have to

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Speaker 2: throw that in there, right, they pitched right before the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game, and they're like, yeah, no, we can't

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Speaker 2: Miserowski And it's just such a goofy process. I just

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Speaker 2: give them All Star status, which is what I think

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Speaker 2: should happen, I don't buy that no one's gonna play

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Speaker 2: in the game and be around the best of the best,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you get All Star status. That's

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Speaker 3: It should just be a separate list. It should just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Look, I was a third team All American.

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Speaker 3: On the page of I think all of it's kind

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Speaker 5: All of it kind of is looked through a lens

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, Like, especially when.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about what Brian was just pointing out, where

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Speaker 3: The All Star Game.

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Speaker 5: So what, they're not All Stars because because they they

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Speaker 5: So yeah, there should be your All Stars and then

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Speaker 3: Like it's that simple.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to call Tyler Huntley a pro bowler. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: Everybody is aware of it.

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Speaker 3: Like, it doesn't it doesn't diminish the fact that he was,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why you're a stand up guy, Rich, so

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Speaker 2: You're just hung up on the game, man. It's it's

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Speaker 6: He's Otani's gonna be voted into a many other awards,

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Speaker 6: Like there's other award things that people get voted to.

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Speaker 4: Bowl and anybody like in baseball. I don't know. I

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Speaker 6: Know, silver Slugger, gold Glove, Like, there's other distinctions. Besides,

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Speaker 6: Huntley is not an All Star in this and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: Tyler harl if you're listening for throwing you you know

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Speaker 4: But it's just an example of it. It has nothing

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Speaker 6: You take it on the whole season and you give

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Speaker 2: That's another whole story here. But Lloyd Howell out of

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Speaker 5: And here's the reason why, because you are in some ways,

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Speaker 3: That's first and foremost.

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Speaker 5: Secondarily the fact that, unfortunately you put somebody in the

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Speaker 5: You know, there are just certain things that are going

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Speaker 5: This is somebody who I don't know, I'm sure if

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Speaker 6: I did do some digging about how because that was

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Speaker 4: get this union stronger.

437
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 6: I mean, it is the strongest league, the strongest professional

438
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 6: sports league in the country, and it's got the weakest union.

439
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 6: I just I think it's really I struggle to wrap

440
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 6: my head around that. And at the end of the day, again,

441
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 6: you have a lot more perspective on this because you're

442
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 6: you know, someone who is actually in this room. But

443
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 6: I just feel like this is a this is it's

444
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 6: it's a it's a failure on his part. But also

445
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 6: the players need to take responsibility. They're the ones who

446
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 6: elected him.

447
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the one of the other wild stories involving

448
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: Lloyd Howell Junior, former executive director of the Players Association. Right, so,

449
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: back in January this year, an arbitrator ruled that the

450
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: NFL engaged in collusive behavior, but not quite collusion. He

451
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: didn't take it that far when they were trying to

452
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: actively limit guaranteed money in player contracts. So the story

453
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: was this goes all the way back to March of

454
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. That's when quarterback Deshaun Watson signed that

455
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: huge contract with the Browns two hundred and thirty million

456
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: dollars fully guaranteed contract.

457
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: Right.

458
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: The other NFL owners were ticked off, it's like, and

459
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: they had an owner's meeting in that same month of

460
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: March in twenty twenty two. This is right after the

461
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: Deshaun contract, and there were notes passed out, there were

462
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: speaker notes during this thing. The NFL gave a presentation

463
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: they're urging teams, They're urging ownership, like, yo, you do

464
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: not want to give out fully guaranteed deals one after another.

465
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: This is going to be the new norm and it's

466
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: not gonna be good, YadA YadA. They had like you

467
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: can see the words. They had all this information, it

468
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: was passed out. It got into Pablo Torre's hands and

469
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: he exposed everything. Right, this arbitrator ruled in January in

470
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: favor of the players association. He's like, yeah, the NFL,

471
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: they're engaging in collusive behavior. You have text messages between owners,

472
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: like you had Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. This is right

473
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: after Kyler Murray signed his quarterback deal, his contract extension.

474
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: This was in July of twenty twenty two, and you

475
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: had the Chargers team owner Dean Spanos congratulating him. You're like,

476
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: Dean Spanos was like, congratulations, your deal helps us for

477
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: our quarterback next year. And Michael Bidwell responds, I think

478
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: many teams will be happy with it once they have

479
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: a chance to review. Cleveland really screwed things up, but

480
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 2: I was resolved to keep the guarantees relatively low. Like

481
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: this arbitrator ruled in favor of the players and said, man,

482
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: the NFL, this is shady. They're actively talking about limiting

483
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: guaranteed money. So you would think the NFLPA would take

484
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: this and just look at the NFL, look at what

485
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: they're doing, Like this isn't right. What did the NFLPA

486
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: do they entered a confidentiality agreement with the NFL. They're like, hey,

487
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: we won't tell anybody, especially the players. We won't tell

488
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: anybody any of this that's under Lloyd Howell's watch. That

489
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: blows my mind if you're an active player and you're

490
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: hearing all of this. The only reason that got exposed

491
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: because of Pablo Torre. He got his hands on the

492
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: sixty one page arbitrators ruling and that's what he publicized.

493
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: That's why we know about this. I can't believe the

494
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: NFLPA was like, yeay, let's say let's keep it under

495
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: wraps over here. That is wild to me. You can't

496
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: make that one up.

497
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

498
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 5: And also, I mean, look, it's gonna get awfully tricky

499
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 5: for Lloyd Howell Junior. Because you know, when you take

500
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 5: on an elected role in an official capacity leading a union,

501
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: especially one that is in charge of so.

502
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: Many high profile people, this.

503
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 5: Is going to be one of those unbelievably attractive cases

504
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 5: for somebody in a position of regulation to come down

505
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 5: hard to make a name for himself or herself career wise,

506
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: like you.

507
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: Are now a technically.

508
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: I mean up for federal investigation, like that's how serious

509
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 5: this goes. I mean, we have national labor boards, we

510
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: have watchdogs that look for this type.

511
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: Of behavior in this country.

512
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: So not only is this nefarious in terms of taking

513
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 5: advantage of the players, but it also might be ill eagle,

514
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 5: like you could have your freedom taken away for misuse

515
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: of funds like this.

516
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: And I mean, where there's smoke, there's fire.

517
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: Right now, it looks like one seven hundred and fifty

518
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: dollars ride from the airport or from his uh from

519
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 5: from his hotel room wherever he was going from. And

520
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: two but to a nightclub, a strip club rather in Miami.

521
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: But was there more than that?

522
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: Already in the preliminary searches there were you know, he's

523
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 5: taking players out and renting VIP rooms at Magic City,

524
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: which is another strip club. Look, this is my point,

525
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 5: Like you you are an elected position, you're representing a

526
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: labor union in the United.

527
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: States, Like that is a big deal. They're there this guy,

528
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: this guy could could literally do.

529
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 5: Jail time for what he did. It's not it's not

530
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 5: beyond the scope of punishment available for what he's done.

531
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: With with great power come responsibility.

532
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: I mean, that's something that we discuss often, you know,

533
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: when we discuss things like this, like he was in

534
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 5: a position where he needed to take it more seriously

535
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: than he was. And shame on the players, Jared to

536
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 5: your point, for not doing either better due diligence or

537
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: background on this person, or shame on the man for

538
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: fooling everybody for some of the time here. And I

539
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 5: think what needs to happen in response to this, because

540
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: anytime there's an action, there should be equal and opposite

541
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 5: reaction is reinforced. The way this is done, the voting

542
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: process obviously needs to change somehow. The way they, you know,

543
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: seek out new representation for the union needs to change

544
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: so that you don't have somebody who's either a being

545
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 5: compromised by the ownership, being lured in the direction where

546
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: potentially he could collude with the owners, or she if

547
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 5: there is a female executive director, or b somebody who's

548
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 5: not going to misuse the funds that are you're marked

549
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: to make better deals for the players, not so that

550
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 5: you could get your jolly's off when you're touring America.

551
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: It's just absolutely despicable behavior.

552
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: And as a former player, look there there's a good

553
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 5: reason why the NFL has railroaded the players for so long,

554
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: and this is just a symptom. There's a greater illness

555
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 5: that needs to be addressed, and I hope it does.

556
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, there, the collusion thing is nuts when I and

557
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 6: and Pablo Torre has been all over it. Credit to him.

558
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 6: It's what good journalism is. I miss the days of

559
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 6: those types of journalism stories, and you know, the set

560
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 6: of the stuff that we get today, which is just

561
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 6: like TikTok videos and viral moments of CEOs on coldplay

562
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 6: at kiss cams.

563
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: It's nuts.

564
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 6: Like if I was a player, If I was a

565
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 6: player and I saw that, I don't I don't know

566
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 6: how I would feel, probably something like I think, Rich,

567
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 6: that's the best way to frame it. Like go back

568
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 6: to your ploying days and imagine you saw that story.

569
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 6: Like you're listening to Pablo's podcast and you're hearing about

570
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 6: all this stuff, and you're like, man, they're just holding

571
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 6: back our money, Like they're just blatantly ripping us off, right,

572
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 6: and we're out here, blood, sweat and tears. They're up

573
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 6: in some owner's booth eating shrimp cocktail and watching us

574
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: like you know, Caesar, watch the gladiators do battle and

575
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 6: then when it comes time to pay us our money,

576
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 6: they're texting behind the scenes to make sure that this

577
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: team's contract doesn't go over the limit. So then this

578
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 6: team's contract And it actually made me think about what

579
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 6: happened yesterday with TJ Watt. What do you think the

580
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 6: Bengals are thinking right now with Trey Hendrickson? Like, you know,

581
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 6: Watt just got paid big money.

582
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: And I'm not.

583
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: Saying he's not worthy, We're worthy of it, but a

584
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 6: part of me is thinking, man, are the Bengals upset

585
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: right now because TJ just got paid? And now the

586
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 6: price for Trey Henderson just went up? And Jerry Jones

587
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 6: is upset because the price for Michael Parsons just went up?

588
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, they probably are because look at how they're

589
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 6: colluding on.

590
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: This quarterback, right Yeah.

591
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 6: And so it really is this weird like song and

592
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 6: dance that we play where every contract now in the

593
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: back of everyone's mind, you should be thinking.

594
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: Well, the price just went up and this owner's upset.

595
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 6: And how do we know that because we have proof

596
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 6: that they're actually texting about it. Right. It's wild, It

597
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: really is wild, but it is the reality that we're

598
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 6: living in.

599
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, if I'm a current player, I'm mad at the

600
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: NFL and I'm mad at the NFL Players Association. I'm

601
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: mad at everybody because if I'm a current player and

602
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: the way it broke down, right, it goes back to

603
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: the Deshaun Watson contract. Do we have this owners meeting

604
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: that's publicized and we got text messages, there are presentations, Yo,

605
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: you gotta limit fully guarantee contracts like stop with that.

606
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: Don't make that the norm bad idea. So I'm mad

607
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: at the NFL for doing that. That's collusion right there.

608
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: Whether the arbitrator wants to rule that or not, it's unbelievable.

609
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: He didn't go far enough to say that's collusion, but whatever,

610
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: he needed more proof. I guess that's what he said.

611
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: That's silly to me. You've got all the proof in

612
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: the world that you need that they're colluding together to

613
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: keep the price down. But now, if I'm a player,

614
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm really ticked off at the Players Association, Like you

615
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: have this in front of you, and what do you

616
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: do with it? You sign a confidentiality agreement, you don't

617
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 2: tell us about it, you don't fight for us about it,

618
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: and you decide to keep it under wraps. That is unreal.

619
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: Like for Rich as a parent, I think it's a good,

620
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: good comparison, right where if one of your kids, Rich,

621
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: if something happens to them in the world, right like,

622
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: that would be the NFL. Something bad happens, they look

623
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: to you to have their back. That's your job, that's

624
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: the NFL Players Association's job. And they don't they sign

625
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: a confidentiality agreement and keep it under wraps. I'm looking

626
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: at the PA like, do you have our back? Are

627
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: you doing your job? Because it doesn't look like it

628
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: to me that if I was your kid and you

629
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: decided to keep things under wraps when something shady happened

630
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: to me as your son, I'd have a real issue

631
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: with that.

632
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, working behind your child's back to harm them

633
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 5: in some way, I mean, how do you come back

634
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 5: from that. I'll finish it by just saying this. If

635
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 5: anybody wants any evidence on how badly the NFL owners

636
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 5: will collude against the players for their own game, go

637
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 5: back and look during my time playing and the information

638
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: that they had on the after effects and the dilatorious

639
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 5: effects of concussions.

640
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: Sure for players, it was hidden from players.

641
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: Why was it hidden from players because they knew it

642
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 5: would affect bottom lines. There were guys living under bridge

643
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 5: with bridges with mental illness. There were guys who were

644
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 5: battling post concussive disorders and they had no idea what

645
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 5: was wrong with them because they didn't have the information

646
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: to act. And there are settlements paid out, and there

647
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: was all this litigation that had to be done to

648
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 5: make this quote unquote right. It'll never be right what

649
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: the owners did to the players. It was despicable work.

650
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: And you need somebody who is going to represent the

651
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: players and act on their best behalf or their best

652
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 5: interests so that they're not taking advantage of because, like

653
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Speaker 5: you said, it's a big world out there, and it's

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Speaker 5: a scary world, and young people need to be protectable.

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Speaker 5: Guess what, The NFL average length of career is just

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Speaker 5: three years, So you're talking about twenty two year old kids,

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Speaker 5: twenty one year old kids who were taking advantage of

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Speaker 5: eighty year old billionaires who can manipulate the system for

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Speaker 5: their own capital game. You need somebody at the head

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Speaker 5: of the class who can protect those people, who can

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Speaker 5: speak on their behalf intelligently and not be coerced by

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Speaker 5: visits to strip clubs in Miami.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Really is many layers of craziness in

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Speaker 2: that one. We've got rich ron Berger, Penn State All American,

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Speaker 2: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up

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Speaker 2: next to parlay Platter. That's right. We each have one selection.

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Speaker 2: We pull it together for a greater payout. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what the theme is. Maybe it's summer league. No one

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Speaker 2: makes a pick unless it's the NBA Summer League, or

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Speaker 2: maybe baseball now that baseball is backs, we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, it is Fox Sports Radio's Countdown presented by BETMGM.

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Speaker 2: this r lay ladder. Yes, the parlay Ladder. We'd have

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Speaker 2: one selection for you. We pool it together for a

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Speaker 2: greater payout. Jared, we start with you for a pick

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Speaker 2: and the theme, well.

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Speaker 6: I'll just front this by saying the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 6: games twelve days away in the NFL opener forty seven

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Speaker 6: days away.

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Speaker 4: Thank god football is back soon, because.

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Speaker 6: I am I'm at the end of my rope with

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Speaker 6: these baseball games.

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Speaker 4: But I will give you a prop for today. It

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Speaker 4: is a baseball day.

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Speaker 6: If you want him throw in summer league, I'm not

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Speaker 6: gonna fault you, Beino.

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Speaker 4: I know that's your vibe. I think that's fine too.

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Speaker 4: Dealer's choice. There's really not a whole lot to bet

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Speaker 4: off today, so pick whatever it suits your fantasy.

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Speaker 6: I'll go baseball want Soto over one and a half

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Speaker 6: her what the heck is her?

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Speaker 4: Hr R hits runs a RBI's love this prop.

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Speaker 6: Why because you are rewarding the player for doing his

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Speaker 6: job instead of just total bases or getting a hit.

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Speaker 6: You're also rewarding him for a sacrifice fly, which is

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Speaker 6: an RBI. You're also rewarding him for walks, stolen base scored.

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Speaker 6: I like this market over any of the other hitter

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Speaker 6: markets in baseball. Wan So too over one and a

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Speaker 6: half hits runs RBIs Mets facing the Reds today.

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Speaker 4: He's won for one career against Nick Martinez. The one

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Speaker 4: hit was home.

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Speaker 6: Run the homer yesterday. I think Sodo is getting hot

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Speaker 6: and he's hitting better against righty's than left He's ops

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Speaker 6: about one hundred.

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Speaker 4: And fifty points higher.

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Speaker 6: I so jumps about one hundred points pretty easy. Handicapped

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Speaker 6: Juan Soto over one and a.

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Speaker 4: Half her first leg of the Harlot player.

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Speaker 5: All right, I'm going to take Luis Tres under one

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Speaker 5: and a half total bases and the reason why is

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Speaker 5: because metrics support that he's struggled with on base percentage

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Speaker 5: this season, decreased plate discipline, diminished contact quality in terms

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Speaker 5: of how he's operating at the plate. He's got a

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Speaker 5: career high chase rate of thirty six percent of pitches

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Speaker 5: outside the zone.

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Speaker 3: That's absurd for a player with the eye that Luis

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Speaker 3: Sarreise has had over the course of his career.

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Speaker 5: So he's had some injuries, right, he's coming back from

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Speaker 5: an injury. He had an injury this season, so his

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Speaker 5: bat speed has struggled and that's created less hard.

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Speaker 3: Hit balls this season.

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Speaker 5: So give me the under one and a half total

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Speaker 5: bases today for Luis Arrives.

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Speaker 2: I like it nice. I like the breakdown, very nicely done.

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Speaker 2: I do love me some Summer league plays today, but

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Speaker 2: I'll sprinkle them in maybe at the end of the

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Speaker 2: show for rapid fire. But I'll take with the baseball

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Speaker 2: theme here to give me the White Sox and Pirates

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Speaker 2: under eight and a half runs. The reason, the main

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Speaker 2: reason is Adrian Hauser, who's quietly had a really good

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Speaker 2: season for the White Sox is Era is one fifty

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Speaker 2: six in nine starts this year, and every single one

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Speaker 2: of the White Sox games that he's played, he's pitched

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Speaker 2: in they've gone under Like the most combined runs in

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Speaker 2: any Adrian Hauser started game is six out of nine starts.

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Speaker 2: The six combined runs, that's say, they're a lot of

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Speaker 2: one to nothing, two to one, three two, four to

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Speaker 2: one games. So I'm gonna ride the trend over here. Now,

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Speaker 2: the other pitcher for the Pirates, you gotta look at

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Speaker 2: Mike Burrows mixed back. Okay, there are games where he's bad,

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Speaker 2: the Pirates are brutal and they give up a bunch

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Speaker 2: of runs, and there are other games where it's low

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Speaker 2: scoring and he pitches fine. As Era is here, five

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Speaker 2: Pirates have lost five for their past six games. I

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Speaker 2: think the White Socks are live on a money line

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Speaker 2: play here plus one fifteen. I wouldn't be mad at

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Speaker 2: that at all, But I'm gonna keep going with the

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Speaker 2: trend until something happens, until they could score. Like if

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Speaker 2: seven eight nine combined runs, I'm gonna pitch. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: play the under with Adrian Hauser on the bump for

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Speaker 2: the White Socks, gonna be under eight and a half

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Speaker 2: runs combined.

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Speaker 3: The bag game.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 6: It's almost like Adrian house Are on a one year contract,

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Speaker 6: is trying to pitch like he doesn't want to.

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Speaker 4: Pitch in Chicago anymore. So left it's well enough to

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Speaker 4: where he gets signed somewhere else. Plus five one, five

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Speaker 4: to one on.

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Speaker 5: Us.

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Speaker 2: Very good, All right, coming up next, No Wonder everything

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Speaker 2: fell apart?

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Speaker 3: Oh what is going on?

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Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick, Oh boy, these guys, it's the gift

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Speaker 2: that keeps on giving. So the latest installment of petty behavior,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, is what's going on here. So Robert Kraft,

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Speaker 2: he's the Patriots team owner, you appeared on appeared on

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Speaker 2: a podcast recently and he was talking about the decision

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Speaker 2: to hire Belichick and he was emphasizing how it was

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Speaker 2: a big risk, and he's right to a degree, Like

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Speaker 2: they had to give up a first round pick to

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Speaker 2: acquire Belichick from the Jets. It's not like Belichick was

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Speaker 2: amazing with the Cleveland Browns. It was just winning playoff

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Speaker 2: game after playoff game, so it was risky. Well, Belichick

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Speaker 2: heard that and he made a rare public statement. He

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Speaker 2: countered by saying that he took the bigger risk by

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Speaker 2: leaving a more stable situation with the Jets. So he's

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Speaker 2: basically saying, hey, have you seen the Patriots did? What

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Speaker 2: great success did they have before I got there? I

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Speaker 2: took the bigger risk. To me, this is just no

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Speaker 2: wonder things fell apart for these guys, is what it

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Speaker 2: tells me. These are two guys that want credit, and

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Speaker 2: fundamentally there isn't automatically anything wrong with that. It's just

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Speaker 2: how far you take it. Like think about this where

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Speaker 2: Robert Kraft is, I took a big risk. I I

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Speaker 2: took the big risk. I gave up a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Look how everything turned out. Look what I did over

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Speaker 2: you know, Like it's basically read between the lines, give

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Speaker 2: me my credit here, man, what a big risk? And

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Speaker 2: did it payoff?

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Speaker 3: Boy?

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Speaker 2: You bet your bottom dollar it did. That's Bobby Kraft

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Speaker 2: what he's saying, basically, and then Belichick he's I took

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Speaker 2: the bigger risk. I mean, look at what that situation was.

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Speaker 2: You don't think it was risky on my behalf? Give

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Speaker 2: me my flowers. It's basically what's going on here when

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Speaker 2: you read between the lines and that you see this

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Speaker 2: so often in sports, right. You saw it with Jerry

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Speaker 2: Jones and Jimmy Johnson. Jerry Jones wanted credit so badly.

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Speaker 2: You saw it in the Last Dance with the Bulls,

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Speaker 2: Remember the GM Jerry Krause. He wanted more credit. Phil

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Speaker 2: Jackson's getting all the praise. I want my credit to

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Speaker 2: look at what I'm doing over here. It can lead

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Speaker 2: to so many things going wrong, and I absolutely believe

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Speaker 2: that was part of why the Craft Belichick marriage fell apart.

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Speaker 2: These guys are competitive to a fault and wanted their shine.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, who cares as long

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Speaker 2: as you keep winning. I think Robert Craft is silly

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Speaker 2: for taking it as far as he did. I understand

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Speaker 2: you want some roses, but dude, just keep printing money

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Speaker 2: and keep winning games. And he didn't see it that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pride cometh before the fall.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's biblical, It's been written since ancient times.

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Speaker 3: It's truly.

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Speaker 5: It's just a modern day portrayal of what it means

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Speaker 5: to be human. Like these are, like you said, hyper

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Speaker 5: competitive people and extraordinarily prideful people. Bill believing in his

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Speaker 5: talent as a talent evaluator and also as a practitioner

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Speaker 5: of the coaching craft. And there's no question he's excellent

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Speaker 5: at both. I played for the man for three seasons.

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Speaker 5: I can speak to how brilliantly he was able to

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Speaker 5: sermonize the game of football.

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Speaker 3: Robert Kraft. I give him a ton of credit.

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Speaker 5: He handed over the reins and complete control of his

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Speaker 5: organization to a young young man at the time who

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Speaker 5: had big, bold visions of how to do this the

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Speaker 5: quote unquote right way, and he built up with what

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Speaker 5: is known now as the Patriot Way and it has

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Speaker 5: been the most successful formula in sports professional sports history ever. So,

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's not a lot of arguing for

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Speaker 5: or against either side. You needed both to make it happen.

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Speaker 5: This reminds me of like the debate after Tom Brady

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Speaker 5: left him free agency for Tampa Bay. Who's more responsible

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Speaker 5: for the Super Bowl victories in New England the greatest

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Speaker 5: of all time quarterback or the greatest of all time coach?

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Speaker 5: And my argument has been and will always be, you

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Speaker 5: needed both to happen. You cannot have the chemical reaction

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Speaker 5: one without the other. There needs to be the mixture,

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Speaker 5: the catalyst, you know, the base and the acid in

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Speaker 5: order to have the explosive moment.

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Speaker 3: And that's what they had in New England.

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Speaker 5: And again, you know, add another element to it, the

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Speaker 5: fact that you needed an owner like Bob Kraft to

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Speaker 5: allow that all to happen in house under his roof,

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Speaker 5: while he's paying all the bills and footing all the

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Speaker 5: price for this. I mean, it really was a confluence

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Speaker 5: of events that may never ever be replicated in sports. Again,

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Speaker 5: but again going back to the original thing, you're saying,

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Speaker 5: it's extraordinarily petty, Brian, and and it's because these are

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Speaker 5: two alpha male super competitors who who want who want

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Speaker 5: to take the bows now for all of the efforts

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Speaker 5: during that twenty year stretch of winning, and I don't

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Speaker 5: think I don't think anybody could solo spotlight here.

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00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: I just don't.

871
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 6: Man, when I saw this, my gears were grinding. Yeah, wow, okay,

872
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: so many things. Well, I'm a Jets fan, so they're

873
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 6: talking about this moment that as a Jet Now, let

874
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 6: me give you my perspective as a Jets fan. I

875
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: was miserable for the first obviously a few years of

876
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 6: my Jets fandom in the early nineties. And then Bill

877
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 6: Parcells comes in in ninety eight and the Jets are

878
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 6: all Keith Buyers, fumble away from making the Super Bowl

879
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 6: and they beat the Falcon and whoever won that Super

880
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 6: Bowl between the Broncos and the Falcons that year was

881
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 6: winning or the ACM Jamians winning Super Bowl against the

882
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 6: Atlanta Falcons.

883
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: So the Jets were right on the doorstep.

884
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 6: Then the next year, Vinnie Testaverdi gets injured Snaps's achilles

885
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 6: on the first first week of the year and the

886
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 6: seasons lost.

887
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: They limp through the.

888
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: Ninety nine season and then Parcells resigns, you know, he leaves,

889
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 6: and they, you know, promote Belichick and I'm thinking to myself.

890
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna keep this rolling.

891
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 4: Everything's gonna be good.

892
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, Belichick's gone, they hire

893
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 6: al Grow and.

894
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: You know, things kind of went off the rails a

895
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 4: little bit. Hell yeah, just a little bit.

896
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I think actually did make the playoffs that

897
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 6: one year, but then it went really south and then

898
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: things didn't get back to any respectability until her Metwards came.

899
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: So to hear these two guys.

900
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 6: Bicker back and forth about this, and make no mistake,

901
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 6: Craft started this.

902
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: I mean, the Craft is worth twelve billion dollars.

903
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 6: He's going to Fanatics Fest and going on the Dudes

904
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 6: on Dudes podcast hosted by Julian Edeman and Rob Gronkowski

905
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: and taking shots at Belichick.

906
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: Belichick could have just said, you know what, I got

907
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: other fish to fry.

908
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 6: I'm the head coach at UNC, I've got all these

909
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 6: Super Bowls. I don't need to stoop to Robert Kraft's

910
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 6: level and respond to this. I deal with this crap

911
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 6: on social media all the time. Take shots at me

912
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 6: and my picks.

913
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: I don't have to respond.

914
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: You don't have to accept every invitation to every argument

915
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 6: you get invited to.

916
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: You could just ignore it and just let it go.

917
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: Belichick then escalated it.

918
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 6: If Belichick doesn't respond, this is not a story, he responded, Now,

919
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 6: it's a story, and it's a pissing match.

920
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: Neither one of them's right, neither one of them's wrong.

921
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really know how else to explain

922
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: it better than that.

923
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 6: Obviously Belichick took a risk leaving the Jets and going

924
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 6: to the Patriots. Obviously Craft took a risk hiring a

925
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 6: guy that had just gotten hired by their division rival.

926
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 6: Like both can be true. There's gray area here. Both

927
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 6: guys took a risk. You want to try to quantify

928
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 6: which person took a bigger risk.

929
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: We're wasting our.

930
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 6: Time, like it's just it's it's it's just a giant

931
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 6: waste of time, ego, look at me, vibe and I

932
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 6: as a Jets fan, it sickens me.

933
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's the true sickening part. If

934
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: you want to bring the Jets element into this, can

935
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: you think just imagine a world where Belichick stays with

936
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: Gange Green and they have anywhere near the amount of

937
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: success that the Patriots had. That is truly nauseating. For it,

938
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: what I would do for.

939
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 6: One Super Bowl Brown, just what I would do to watch,

940
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: just to watch my team play in the Super Bowl.

941
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: What I would do.

942
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: Of the ten things you would do, nine of them

943
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: are illegal, guaranteed.

944
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: Like that baseline it would be.

945
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 2: But that's the thing here is Jared I totally agree

946
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: right where instead of wasting time with who took the

947
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: bigger risk, like they both took risks. There's truth to

948
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: what they both said, but the fact that they're like, no,

949
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: I took the bigger risk, No I did, No, No,

950
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm great, No, No, I'm great. Like that dynamic there

951
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: shows you why things fell apart. Like I go back

952
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: to the Jerry Jones Jimmy Johnson thing. Those guys were

953
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: college buddies. They played at Arkansas together. They were teammates.

954
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 8: They were boys, you know, like Jerry Jones kicked Tom

955
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 8: Landry a legend to the curb for Jimmy Johnson, and

956
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 8: just a few years later, after great success two super

957
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 8: Bowl rings, here's Jerry like.

958
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: I you know I, I I mean me me. It's like, bro,

959
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like you know that Dave Chappelle

960
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: thing when keeping it real goes wrong? Yeah, all these

961
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: examples are when keeping it competitive goes wrong. That's what

962
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: it is. You're competitive to a fault. You want to

963
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: get the shine, you want to be the reason right,

964
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: and it's like it's a team game, Like why are

965
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: you all of a sudden forgetting about everything that made

966
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: you guys special? And it's no, I took the bigger risk.

967
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: It's just so dumb. It's a waste of time.

968
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: Now when you start looking at like who's most responsible

969
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: for championships and things like that. Look, I mean you'll

970
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: never hear me say this different. I do think that

971
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: you needed both Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to have

972
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 5: the level of success that the New England Patriots have,

973
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 5: and therefore you needed robber Craft to hire Bill for

974
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 5: that all to happen. So one thing doesn't happen without

975
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 5: the other. But look, Bill Belichick will tell you this himself,

976
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: and it was part of the reason why players liked

977
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: playing for Bill, like playing in New England. It's because

978
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 5: he was a player's coach. The players are the most

979
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 5: important part of this. You have to have good players,

980
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 5: otherwise you don't have a good football team. Even Bill

981
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 5: Belichick with crummy players, if he didn't have Tom Brady,

982
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have been as good of a coach as

983
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 5: he was.

984
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: There's no question about it.

985
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, we have some example of

986
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 5: that after Tom Brady left New England.

987
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: It's hard in this business.

988
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 5: To be a good football team if you don't have

989
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: a successful quarterback, especially the way they built that program.

990
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 5: But I digress on that point to talk about risk. Now, look,

991
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 5: in the I guess hierarchy, if that's what we're gonna

992
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 5: call it. In the NFL, who's taking the most risk.

993
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 5: It's the players. It's the players. The players are taking

994
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 5: the most risk because they're literally putting life and limb

995
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 5: on the line at times in order to earn their

996
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 5: dollars and cents. Then, if you want to make an

997
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 5: argument for the owners, I could probably see it as

998
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 5: being tipped in their scale, because if you think about

999
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 5: the owners, they do have to stick their neck out

1000
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 5: on the line with guaranteed contracts for these coaches, and

1001
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 5: when you hire a coach, you're on the hook to

1002
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 5: pay them whatever salary that is until that contract's over with,

1003
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 5: whether they get involved in a scandal, whether they're good

1004
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 5: coach or a bad coach. You look at the head

1005
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 5: coach position, you could ruin your career just by having

1006
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 5: one bad season. But in terms of the dollars in

1007
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 5: cents of it, Yeah, Robert kraft a, you know, stick

1008
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: his neck out there and say no, no, I'm gambling

1009
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 5: on this guy. I'm training for this guy. He's going

1010
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 5: to be the leader of our organization. So I mean,

1011
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: am I supportive of his argument? Maybe slightly more at

1012
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 5: the dawn of his career in New England. Yeah, the

1013
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 5: answer might be yes. But do we need to have

1014
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: this public urinating count to decide? Oh, we don't. And

1015
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 5: and it really does deepen what they achieved together.

1016
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1017
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 6: You know who could end this argument if Tom Brady

1018
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 6: comes out and says, no, I took the most risk

1019
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: by six round offer.

1020
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: He took the biggest risk.

1021
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be if Brady relieved.

1022
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 6: No, Brady should go to the same place he announced

1023
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 6: where he was going to the Bucks or no, no,

1024
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 6: the same place where he announced the retirement, right he

1025
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 6: didn't he sell the butt sand from where here he

1026
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 6: sat and tape the retirement video. He should go back

1027
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 6: to that same beach and do another video where he says.

1028
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 4: Actually, guys, I took the most risk. That would be the.

1029
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 6: Way to end this argument with some humor, because at

1030
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 6: the end of the day, this is literally, to Rich's point,

1031
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 6: this is literally a public urination contest.

1032
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: But to be fair to Bill.

1033
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 6: Robert started it, like why is Robert going on the

1034
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 6: Dudes on Dudes podcast at fanatics Fest with two former

1035
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 6: players who I love Gronk and I love Julian Edelman,

1036
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 6: But I don't think they're like mensa people that are

1037
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 6: gonna ask these really insightful questions to get these.

1038
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 4: Really interesting answers out of Robert Kraft.

1039
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 6: Actually, to be fair to both of them, they got

1040
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 6: what they wanted, which was a viral moment for their podcast. Robert,

1041
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 6: who is worth twelve billion dollars?

1042
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: Do you not have anything better to do?

1043
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 3: Sir?

1044
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 6: If I had twelve twelve billion. I'd be on a

1045
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 6: beach somewhere. I wouldn't be talking to anyone in the NFL.

1046
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1047
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: Maybe that's just me.

1048
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 6: This again as a Jets fan, this entire story just

1049
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 6: grinds my gear to the highest degree because I keep thinking,

1050
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 6: what if Robert Kraft doesn't take this huge risk and

1051
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 6: just let's Bill ascend from Bill Parcells's shadow and take

1052
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 6: the Jets head coaching job. And where are the what's

1053
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 6: the Jets franchise today? If this history doesn't take place?

1054
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 6: So I wish them both the best with their future endeavors.

1055
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 6: But I will be betting under seven and a half

1056
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 6: wins for the North Carolina tar Hills this year.

1057
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,359
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Speaker 4: This follow them real good money.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in our good friend, Seamus McGee, teen,

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: lead of sports trading at bet MGM. You know that

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Speaker 2: might be the first question, Seamus, if you were an

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00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: MLB closer, you know, what song are you choosing to

1089
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: either trot out or slow like menacingly walk out as

1090
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: you're about to nail down a save? What song do

1091
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: you choose?

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 9: Buddy Grant to be back, guys, excellent question. My choice

1093
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 9: is Rocky like a Hurricane by Scorpions.

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that.

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 9: I've had that I've had. I've been sitting on that

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00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 9: for years. It will never change.

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00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: Beautiful.

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00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: That paints a picture right there, Seamus, for sure, no doubt.

1099
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: Very nice. Well, I'll throw out a real question, you know, well,

1100
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: the sports related gambling question. I always ask you and

1101
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: Christian Cippolini what you need?

1102
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: Right?

1103
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: Like a guy like Bill Krackenberger on the show Tomorrow

1104
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: Professionals sports handicapper, he always wants to align himself with

1105
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: the bookmaker's side. He said that God protects the bookmaker, right,

1106
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: so he wants to bet on what you guys need

1107
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: because you're still building skyscrapers over here, for a reason. Right,

1108
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: do you need anything of great note today or is

1109
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: it just one of those like ed shoulder shrug type

1110
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: days for you guys.

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00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 9: I mean, we'll pass the All Star break for the MLB,

1112
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 9: so back to the dog days if you will, of

1113
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 9: pre football season. So I think it's gonna be pretty

1114
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 9: run in the middle today. You know, I hope a

1115
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 9: lot of favorites losing the MLB. You got the WNBA

1116
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 9: All Star Game today, which is starting to get a

1117
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 9: little bit of action. The markets moved con on this game.

1118
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 9: With Dalen Clark being out. The total saw a huge spike.

1119
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 9: We're talking like fifteen points almost because there's a bunch

1120
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Speaker 9: of rule changes that they're doing for the game. I say,

1121
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 9: we need Team Park to maybe pull off an upset here.

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00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 9: That would be pretty nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: WNBA All Star Game.

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Speaker 6: If I recall, what was it two years ago, maybe

1126
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 6: three years ago, the total of the game was off

1127
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 6: by so many points. I think it dropped like fifty points.

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Speaker 6: There's some kind of crazy number. We don't see those

1129
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 6: moves very often in any sports. Chamus, was that and

1130
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 6: you can correct me if i'm you know, fact check

1131
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 6: me on the year and exactly how much it moved.

1132
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 6: But if I recall, there was one year where the

1133
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 6: WNBA All Star Game just had this insane move.

1134
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was the opposite. It went down you're talking.

1135
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 9: That was when it was the USA versus the WNBA

1136
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 9: All Stars, and that was really just a you know,

1137
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 9: a tester for the Team USA team. So it felt

1138
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 9: like it was going to be a real game, not

1139
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 9: just like this showcase. But this year it's the opposite.

1140
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 9: We're seeing it move to the over. There's rule changes,

1141
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 9: like I think they're cutting the shot clock down to

1142
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 9: twenty seconds, so there might be more possessions. There's in

1143
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 9: game subs like from hockey, like that only the offense

1144
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 9: can use. There's no free lays outside of the last

1145
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 9: two minutes. You just get two points if you're fouled

1146
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 9: on a shooting foel. So there's just a recipe for

1147
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 9: the game to fly over the initial numbers. So if

1148
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 9: it's thinking somehow stay under the total right now, it'll

1149
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 9: be a good night for us in this game.

1150
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: Wow making Shamus, I got a golf question. I got

1151
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: a golf question for you.

1152
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 5: So obviously there isn't a lot of variety in terms

1153
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 5: of the setup of an NFL grid Iron. You know,

1154
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 5: the goalposts are always in the same spots. You have

1155
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 5: the same width on every field, the same length, the

1156
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 5: same thing with the goals in basketball. There's a little

1157
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 5: variety in terms of baseball ballparks. But like when you're

1158
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 5: when you're modeling for the Open Championship at a course like.

1159
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 3: Royal pot Rush, how does how does like the course.

1160
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 5: Especially with the deep bunkers and some of the variety

1161
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 5: that we see, especially in this major, How does that

1162
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 5: affect you know, the props or just how how you

1163
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 5: guys set up bets or odds that that betters can

1164
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 5: come to the window with.

1165
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 9: It certainly affects a lot the course specifically. You know

1166
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 9: a course is going to be good for you know,

1167
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 9: long drivers, Is it better for guys who are good

1168
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 9: around the green, good on approach, stuff like that, But

1169
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 9: then you have to take account the weather, which way

1170
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 9: the wind is blowing, where is the pin placed on

1171
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 9: the green for the day. So that's the course of

1172
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 9: like obviously is a major factor, but there is just

1173
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 9: a myriad of things that go into a tournament like

1174
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 9: the British Open, especially in a link style.

1175
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: Force Seamus with NFL preseason football right around the corner.

1176
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: I just started thinking about You'll hear this from a

1177
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: lot of like non pro betters where it's still out there.

1178
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: We're like, man, if you're betting on preseason football, you

1179
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: need to go to a meet right away. But like

1180
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: the pros, they eat up preseason football right like they

1181
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: value They just pounce, they're firing away. Can you give

1182
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: us an idea of what the handle looks like for

1183
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: preseason football compared to say, regular season football. Is it

1184
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: a huge difference between the two.

1185
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 9: It's obviously huge. I mean, all the you know, a

1186
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 9: lot more of the recreational players are playing in the

1187
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 9: regular season. But I tell you it's my least favorite thing.

1188
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 9: I hear online all the times, like, oh, if you're

1189
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 9: gambling on the NFL preseason, you need to call the number.

1190
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 9: If you're I saw someone say if you're gambling on

1191
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 9: the NBA summer league, called the number. These are the

1192
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 9: biggest betting opportunities you could possibly have all year. What

1193
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 9: are we talking about? I get really riled up about it.

1194
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 9: If you want to beat the book, these are the

1195
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 9: best spots to do it. There is a lot less

1196
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 9: fluid information out there, so you have a chance to

1197
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 9: get into the news before you say a bookmaker does,

1198
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 9: especially preseason if you are like really into like your

1199
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 9: team and how your coach operates during pre season, how

1200
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 9: long the starter is going to be in for. There

1201
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 9: are a thousands different types of ways you can find

1202
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 9: a way to make money off of that. So I

1203
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 9: couldn't agree more. The NFL preseason is a great spot

1204
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 9: if you want to try to make some money. But

1205
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 9: I will say, I mean, it's not even close competitive

1206
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 9: numbers we'll get by the time the regular season kicks off.

1207
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, And to be fair, and I'm not trying to

1208
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 6: call this person out. It was Keith Smith NBA. He's

1209
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: an NBA he covers the NBA for spot Track and

1210
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 6: for Front Office Sports. And he said, I've gotten four

1211
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 6: different email This was on July nine, It's about ten

1212
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 6: days ago. I've got four different emails today. Line's odds

1213
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 6: on Summer League games and champions If you are gambling

1214
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 6: on Summer League you have a problem.

1215
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 4: You need to see him.

1216
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 6: And my response, I quote with you this. I said,

1217
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 6: there is truth to what Keith is saying. He just

1218
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 6: doesn't like gambling. Just remove the line Summer League. If

1219
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 6: you are gambling, you have a problem and need help,

1220
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 6: Like these are people that just don't like gambling, which

1221
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 6: is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the

1222
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 6: opinion that you need help if you're betting on this event,

1223
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 6: which in my opinion, is one of the most illiquid,

1224
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 6: probably easiest events to beat if you know the right

1225
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 6: people and you know what you're doing.

1226
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: It's just it's just the wrong opinion. College football, I

1227
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 4: saw you guys are popping up some really interesting market

1228
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 4: shamis you know.

1229
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 6: You know the one that really catches my eye is

1230
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 6: the total number of SEC teams to have ten or

1231
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 6: more regular season wins.

1232
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 4: We were all over this market last year.

1233
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 6: But there's just so many opportunities in the college football

1234
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 6: and the NFL futures markets to think big picture, and

1235
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 6: I know MGM is coming up with a lot of

1236
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 6: different markets, a lot of different ways you can approach it.

1237
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 6: Do you want to share some fun ones with us?

1238
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 9: Yes, as you said, we posted out for over under

1239
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 9: you know conference, you know, teams to win ten plus

1240
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 9: and six plus games? You know Bowl eligible team? How

1241
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 9: many Bowl eligible teams will the team have?

1242
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 1: Just this week?

1243
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 9: I mean we posted you know how many bids is

1244
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 9: the how are four conference is going to get like

1245
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 9: over under three and a half for the Big Ten,

1246
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 9: three and a half for the SEC. A couple of

1247
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 9: fun ones. Obviously we put up to make the title

1248
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 9: game this week, but then we have the odds to

1249
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 9: go undefeated in the conference, you know, odds to go

1250
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 9: winless in the conference depending on the state where you

1251
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 9: live in fewest wins in the conference. So if you're

1252
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 9: really into just you know, some fun props for the season,

1253
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 9: we got you covered over here. Another one I post

1254
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 9: it for a year is head to head state versus

1255
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 9: state props is the state of you know, Texas is

1256
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 9: going to win more into the state of California, for instance.

1257
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 9: I think this year I posted, well, the state of

1258
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 9: Texas combined for one hundred plus wins this year. Well,

1259
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 9: a lot of fun things depend on this for this season,

1260
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 9: So I can't wait for the season to get started.

1261
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 5: Really, Yeah, focusing on those NFL futures, is there one

1262
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 5: or maybe even a few, And this could be year

1263
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 5: over year that you've seen or it could be one

1264
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 5: specific that the public is just dead wrong on this season.

1265
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 5: It could be a win total, it could be a

1266
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 5: player prop you know, and an MVP whatever it is.

1267
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 5: Is there anything that's sticking out to you where you think, Man,

1268
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 5: A lot of people are gonna lose some money on this.

1269
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 3: That's a bad bet.

1270
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 5: Oh.

1271
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 9: I could talk for days about this. I love the

1272
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 9: under their win total. Wow, it's every every day. It's

1273
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 9: Commander's over, Commanders doing the Super Bowl, Commanders to make

1274
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 9: the playoffs. In some part, I mean, this schedule just

1275
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 9: got a lot tougher. A lot of the guys are

1276
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 9: signing are three old, Like I'm not sure. I like

1277
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 9: Deevo Samuel is the guy that's gonna like push him

1278
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 9: over the hump. Von Miller, who I thought was retired

1279
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 9: it just signed for them the other week. I mean,

1280
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 9: you got it really banked on Jayden Daniels staying healthy

1281
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 9: this year. This scene feels a lot like the Texans

1282
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 9: last year. I mean, the Sextons end up winning the

1283
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 9: South because the end of the division was very good.

1284
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 9: But Stroud spell off huge last year, Like you really

1285
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 9: have a good year. It could be a little bit

1286
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 9: of that. I just I don't see ten wins on

1287
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 9: the schedule. I don't know if I see even eight

1288
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 9: wins on the schedule. I think there's a very good

1289
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 9: chance this team doesn't even go back to the playoffs.

1290
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, Well, now that you're fired up, like that

1291
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,839
Speaker 2: was the salad, here's the main course. The same is special.

1292
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: What do you have for us today? Man?

1293
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 9: Sick with the WNBA All Star Game. I'm gonna go

1294
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 9: with a flyer on Sabrina and Escu to win All

1295
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 9: Star Game MVP around seven hundred you can get there's

1296
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 9: a four point shot. I think she's gonna be let

1297
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Speaker 9: that fly tonight.

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: So okay, man, I check the rules. If you're thinking

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Speaker 2: about betting the under.

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01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 5: Huh my gosh, that's insane.

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: Wow, man, that's interesting.

1302
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, just make sure you know what you're getting yourself into.

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: If you're betting this tonight, no doubt.

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01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, great at the under in this game, you call

1305
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: the number. That's how I feel appreciate you, Seamus. We'll

1306
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: catch you soon. Man, Hope you have a great day.

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Speaker 9: Thanks, guys, have a good one.

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah you too, is Seamus McKee. Wow, that's crazy, I'll

1309
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: say real fast because we got to get to scary,

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01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: terry new details, interesting stuff. But these people. I love

1311
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: how riled up Shamus was because it really is such

1312
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: a dumb comment to make, Like, if you're betting on

1313
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: preseason NFL, you need to call one eight hundred gambler

1314
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: right away. It's like, dude, eliminate the marquee sign that

1315
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 2: says preseason football, you know what I mean? Like, apply

1316
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: this to the regular season. If this is Week five

1317
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: and you have information one team is going to be

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01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,879
Speaker 2: playing all of their starters at least for the first half.

1319
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 2: Meanwhile the other team is playing none of its starters

1320
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: at all, you would be crushing week five bets left

1321
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: and right. Yeah, but just because it's preseason, that's where, Oh,

1322
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: you need a meeting right away. It's like, no, dude, no,

1323
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: you're just missing the boat here. There is value if

1324
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: you've got things that are If you're finding value and

1325
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: the books are slow to react to that, that is

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: gold right there.

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 3: It drives me.

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: I'm just like Shamus, you see it all the time.

1329
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: It's like clockwork, like, oh, you need a meeting, man,

1330
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: you got.

1331
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 6: I appreciate when they do that, though, because it reveals

1332
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 6: to me how little.

1333
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: They know about gambling.

1334
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's and then you know it's like, Okay, now

1335
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 6: I don't need to take your opinion about anything.

1336
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 4: Gambling already. Seriously, that's right, absolutely right.

1337
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So how about this new details with Terry Roseier.

1338
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: So there was a professional better that placed thirty wagers

1339
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: in forty six minutes. This goes back till let's go

1340
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,799
Speaker 2: to a hot top time machine to twenty twenty three. Okay,

1341
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: this is March of twenty twenty three. Scary Terry is

1342
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: playing for the Charlotte Hornets. They're about to take on

1343
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: the Pelicans. Okay, big Hornets, Pelicans tilt in March of

1344
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: twenty three. All right, and so this professional better he's

1345
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: in Biloxi, Mississippi. What is it with these like shit,

1346
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: we were remote there, that's right, we were there.

1347
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 4: But this guy.

1348
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: Over he made thirty bets all on Terry Roseier to

1349
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: go under, various prop bets under it just hammering unders

1350
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: under under, under, under under.

1351
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: And what do you know? He was right?

1352
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 2: All thirty bets cashed. Terry Roseer. He exited after ten

1353
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: minutes in the game, had a good first quarter, then

1354
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: he had a foot issue, didn't play anymore or ever

1355
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: again for the Hornets. He didn't play the last you know,

1356
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: eight games or whatever was left on the schedule, and

1357
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: he was gone, and so like, the Feds are still

1358
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: looking into this, and these are the new details that

1359
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: have been released. Now, the really interesting part here is

1360
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: that the NBA already did an investigation and already cleared

1361
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: Terry Rosier, and they put out the state but where

1362
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, hopefully the federal investigation they see what

1363
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: we see, which is there's nothing to see here whatsoever.

1364
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden you get details of

1365
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: all these shady bets. It's over thirteen thousand dollars of bets.

1366
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: This professional better. He made one wager for twenty seven

1367
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: hundred dollars over the counter, right, he used his player's card.

1368
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: Everything else was at a kiosk. He's just throwing a

1369
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: hundred dollars bills under under a more hundred under under it,

1370
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 2: and he hits all these bets. And you gotta wonder

1371
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 2: was there anything that wasn't on the up and up?

1372
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: Why did this guy? What information did he have where

1373
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 2: he's hammering unders like this? And Terry Rozier leaves with

1374
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: the foot injury like it doesn't quite pass the smell test.

1375
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: So we'll see where this thing goes.

1376
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 5: I get where your head's at, and I completely understand

1377
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 5: why everybody would say, man, this looks really bad for Terry,

1378
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 5: and it could be, but you you also have to

1379
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 5: play devil's advocate and presume innocence before guilt in a

1380
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 5: lot of these situations. And here's why, because, look, there

1381
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,480
Speaker 5: are certain players who are highly guarded about their injury situations,

1382
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 5: and there are certain players who aren't. And there's also

1383
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 5: certain people when they're playing professional sports who've got buddies

1384
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 5: who you know, have big mouths, and there's some guys

1385
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 5: who really coach up those close to them to say, hey, look,

1386
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 5: if I share any sensitive information with you, you got

1387
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 5: to understand it's between you and me.

1388
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,480
Speaker 3: And that trust factor now.

1389
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 5: Can have some significant ramifications, and we're discussing one of those. Look,

1390
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 5: this could been as simple as Terry talking to his brother,

1391
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 5: talking to a cousin, talking to his dad or his

1392
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 5: stepdad or a friend, and then that person whoever it was,

1393
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 5: spoke to somebody else, and that person may have, in

1394
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 5: a daisy chain kind of way, spoke to somebody else. Man,

1395
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 5: Terry's really got a bad foot injury, man, you know,

1396
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, whoever gets their hands

1397
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 5: on that information, who either is a compulsive better or

1398
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 5: a professional better and things they can get away with

1399
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 5: using a little insider information from a source they trust

1400
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 5: to get an edge on the books. Well, all of

1401
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 5: a sudden, that's how these type of things happen. So

1402
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 5: I guess my point is, where there's smoke, there isn't

1403
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 5: always fire. You know, sometimes you know the Okham's razor

1404
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 5: test fails where the simplest explanation isn't the correct explanation.

1405
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 5: So maybe Terry had nothing to do with this. It

1406
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 5: just appears that he does. The first investigation found him innocent.

1407
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 5: I'm hoping the next one finds him innocent again because I.

1408
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,919
Speaker 3: Hate that this. I hate that this happens.

1409
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 5: It does happen, but I do appreciate the the the

1410
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 5: fact that there are safeguards against it happened.

1411
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 4: Just real quick.

1412
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 6: Rich is right and here's why. Yeah, the Better made

1413
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 6: thirteen grand on this. Terry Rosier's game checks three hundred

1414
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 6: thousand dollars, Like, it just doesn't make sense why Terry

1415
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 6: would get involved with this. Additionally, if you read go

1416
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 6: to the bottom of the ESPN story and David Pertner

1417
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 6: does a fantastic job with this stuff.

1418
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 4: But if you go to bottom of the story.

1419
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 6: Some of the same betting accounts and I'm just reading

1420
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 6: this robatim, some of the same betting accounts that wagered

1421
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 6: on Porter also bet on the Rosier props in addition

1422
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 6: to college basketball games that were flagged. This is an insider,

1423
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 6: professional gambler who has access to inside information and bets

1424
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 6: independently of any player involvement. I don't think Terry had

1425
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 6: anything to do with this. The game check number was

1426
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 6: too high. He only made thirteen grand on these bets,

1427
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 6: and this account clearly has access to inside information. So

1428
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 6: I think it will be one of those situations where

1429
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 6: Terry does get cleared again.

1430
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 2: It could be, could be, and hopefully it will. But

1431
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: just like what you're saying, I agree, just because wow,

1432
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: look at this situation here, and well look at Terry

1433
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 2: at the foot issue, and like you said, the John

1434
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: Tay Porter like betters or in on this. Just because

1435
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 2: it looks shady doesn't mean it absolutely is shady. But

1436
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: the other can be true as well, just because you know, hey,

1437
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: it could be any number of things. Could be a

1438
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: teammate that knows that his foot injury is messed up

1439
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: and that's how someone got the information. It could be anything.

1440
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 2: It could also be Terry could could I'm not saying

1441
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: it is, but it could. So we'll see where this goes.

1442
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: NBA said, you're good. We'll see what the Feds say. Hey,

1443
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,799
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Speaker 2: the prop betting market. Do we go Baseball? Do we

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Speaker 4: What do we do?

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Speaker 2: Where do we go?

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Speaker 3: Where do we turn?

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Speaker 1: Prop it up plays?

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: Yes, the prop betting market, Jared, we start with you

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Speaker 2: with a something that you like.

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 3: Sh is football back.

1474
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 4: Yet almost not quite?

1475
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll go back to baseball then under I'll take

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 6: the under twelve and a half days till the Hall

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 6: of Fame game.

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01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 4: How about that? Now, I'm just kidding guys. I'm very

1479
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Speaker 4: excited football coming back very.

1480
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: Soon this month.

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 6: This month, we will have a free season game on

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 6: our television.

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01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 4: I will give you Brandon low over one and a half.

1484
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 6: Per If you're just joining us, what the heck is

1485
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 6: heer hits runs RBIs But why do I like this market?

1486
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 4: If again, go back to our Harlay Platter segment.

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01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 6: If you really want more details on it, But I

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01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 6: like prop markets that reward players for doing their job.

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 6: Total bases hits, you have to do something specific hits

1490
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 6: runs RBIs could be a sack fly, could be a walk,

1491
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 6: stolen base, and a run scored could also be a hit.

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 4: I like being rewarded for doing your job.

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 6: You don't get rewarded on a total base market if

1494
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 6: you get a sack fly, you do in the hits

1495
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 6: runs a RBI's market. And Brandon Law has great numbers

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01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 6: against Being Kramer, who is the Orioles starting pitcher today.

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 4: Brandon Lao, a hitter for the Tampa Bay Rays.

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 6: Five for thirteen, double ed, a home run career against

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01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 6: Cosmo Kramer and crazy splits for Law. Llow's a left

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 6: handed hitter, Kramer, Kramer's a right handed pitcher, and Lao

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 6: as a lefty, really good numbers against Rady's average about

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01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 6: one hundred points higher OPS about two hundred and fifty

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 6: points higher. So although Brandon low over one and a

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 6: half hits, runs HARBX.

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll make this short and sweet.

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01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 5: I got Red Sox pitcher Brian BeO under four and

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 5: a half strikeouts. He's facing the Cup today first and foremost,

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 5: the Cups bats have been some of the more impressive

1509
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 5: offensively in Major League Baseball this season. Also, Brian Bao

1510
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: averaging just under seven case per nine this season, well

1511
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 5: below the threshold needed to clear that four and a

1512
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 5: half strikeouts in a typical five to six inning start,

1513
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 5: which is what he's averaging. So yeah, I'll take the

1514
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 5: under there four and a half strikeouts for Bayo.

1515
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: All right, I like it, you know, I'm glad. We

1516
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 2: had Seamus McGee on from at MGM talking about these

1517
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: crazy WNBA All Star rules. I had no idea. There's

1518
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: a four point shot. If you get fouled while shooting,

1519
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: you don't have to shoot free throws. Like, we'll just

1520
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: count it as good. It's like, okay, I'll take Sabrino

1521
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: Yanesku over at least twenty plus points. Twenty plus points

1522
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 2: is minus a dollar thirty. It's a four point shot.

1523
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: You don't have to shoot free throws. It's just automatically good. Yeah,

1524
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 2: I'll take her to score twenty. You could actually ladder this.

1525
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: You could go to twenty five, you could go thirty,

1526
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: you could go all the way up to thirty five

1527
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 2: if you want it. But I'll just take twenty plus

1528
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: at minus one thirty. I think that's I think it's

1529
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: a good play. And also, Adrian Hauser, I'll go back

1530
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: to the well the White Sox pitcher give me over

1531
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: seventeen and a half outs against the Pirates who are

1532
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: offensively challenged. Interestingly, Adrian Hawser, because Era is so low

1533
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: one p fifty six, He's gone at least six innings

1534
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: in a eat if his nine starts this season, So

1535
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense too. All right, coming up next,

1536
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: the rumor mill is eating up.

1537
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 3: Oh what is going on?

1538
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: Happy Saturday too? You hope things are going swimmingly. We

1539
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 2: will get to the hot new rumors in just a

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Speaker 2: so much more. So a little bit of hoops for

1547
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: you guys new rumors. I don't know how much truth

1548
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: there will be to them. But uh, Yannis Attetta Kumbo.

1549
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: I know all the locals are like, here we go

1550
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: with the national guys talking about Yada's going somewhere else

1551
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: and YadA YadA. The new rumors are watch out for

1552
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 2: the New York Knicks. Huh looking at you, honest, Hey,

1553
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see if Jannis that's the first Domino.

1554
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,879
Speaker 2: Does Giannis want out? Does he want to go elsewhere?

1555
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 2: I think, and he's made it clear he doesn't want

1556
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: to only win one championship. He's dead serious about winning

1557
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 2: another championship. If he is, then Milwaukee is not the

1558
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: place for him. That that roster is not championship worthy.

1559
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: Even with Jannis, You've got Kyle Kuzma starting like you

1560
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: don't have the depth. I know there are some injury

1561
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: issues in the East with Tatum and Halliburton, but even

1562
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 2: the Bucks as is, they are not true title contenders.

1563
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: They're not contenders to come out of the East. With

1564
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: the amount of competition around them and some of the

1565
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: upgrades with some of the teams that they've made in

1566
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 2: the offseason, I think Atlanta's gonna be a lot better.

1567
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: I think Orlando has a better roster top to bottom

1568
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: than the Bucks do right now. So if Jannis wants out,

1569
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: the Knicks would be a very interesting landing spot, and

1570
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: we don't need to get into the you know, the

1571
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: weeds of what the trade package would look like and

1572
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: would that entice the Bucks that if Yanna says I

1573
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: want to go elsewhere, it's like, well, the Knicks might

1574
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: be one of those spots where the Bucks would look

1575
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 2: to trade them.

1576
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, and there could be some capital

1577
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 5: coming back to the Bucks. But focusing on Yannis, it's

1578
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 5: a huge market. We know that as players age they

1579
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 5: start thinking about their pocketbook and obviously their legacy. Having

1580
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 5: one championship, the work's not done there. But would you

1581
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 5: rather you know, spend the rest of your days in

1582
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 5: a small market Midwest town as opposed to going to

1583
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 5: one of the biggest, most influential cities in the world.

1584
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 5: I mean that is a part of free agency, or

1585
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 5: in the NBA expanded free agency, which is forcing your

1586
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 5: way out of certain markets to get to others like

1587
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 5: so many players have done before. And also, there isn't

1588
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 5: the stigma attached to player movement like there used to

1589
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 5: be even ten years ago when Lebron jumped ship on Cleveland,

1590
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 5: and I know, yeah, deeper roots.

1591
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 3: In Ohio than Giannis does obviously in Milwaukee.

1592
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 5: But like when he left Cleveland, I mean that was

1593
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 5: people were gassed.

1594
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1595
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 5: He had to really return and make it right with

1596
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 5: those people for NBA fans, not just Cleveland Cavaliers fans,

1597
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 5: to make that feel okay. But I mean since then,

1598
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 5: we see player movement all the time, and we see

1599
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 5: player movement to chase legacy and chase rings. Kevin Durant

1600
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 5: going to the Warriors. I mean, this just isn't stigmatized

1601
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 5: and his leverage is real. I mean, player power isn't

1602
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 5: It is imbalanced, you know, the same way we were

1603
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 5: talking about how the NFL PA is a pretty weak

1604
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 5: union by comparison, the NBA PA is pretty powerful and

1605
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 5: the players have a lot of sway when it comes

1606
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 5: to choosing whether or not they want to honor their contracts.

1607
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 5: So if we're talking just in practicality terms, Brian, is

1608
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 5: it possible and would the Knicks be an alluring destination

1609
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 5: for Giannis? The answer is one hundred percent yes. And

1610
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 5: after getting such bad publicity for the hiring of their

1611
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 5: new head coach, the New York Knicks are looking for

1612
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 5: a win in the New York media, So this this

1613
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 5: would do that, this would be counted as a win. Yeah,

1614
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 5: this would be I mean, this would be about as

1615
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 5: big of a win.

1616
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 6: And you're talking to a Knicks fan here, and it doesn't.

1617
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 6: It takes a lot for this Knicks fan to get

1618
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 6: excited because.

1619
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,440
Speaker 4: I've been down this road before.

1620
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 6: Many times and it always leads to pain and suffering,

1621
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 6: just like this year. And I can't speak to the

1622
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 6: validity of the rumor. I can say it comes from

1623
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 6: a source that I trust. And I can also say that,

1624
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 6: based off my analysis of the situation, Yannis staying in

1625
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 6: Milwaukee would be a.

1626
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 3: Very loyal.

1627
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 6: I would say over like to a fault loyal decision

1628
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 6: based off of the Bucks decision.

1629
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 4: To cut ties with Dame Lillard.

1630
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 6: That I think the fact that the Bucks are willing

1631
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 6: to pay the bulk of Dame Lillard's contract to not

1632
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 6: play for Milwaukee anymore, I think speaks volumes about where

1633
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 6: they are as a franchise right now. It reminds me

1634
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 6: of the scene in Moneyball, great movie Brad Pitt in

1635
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 6: the batting cage with David not the real David Justice,

1636
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 6: the actor that's playing David Justice and he's having this

1637
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 6: conversation about you know, hey, we want you to do

1638
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 6: it this way, this way, and David Justice like, no,

1639
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 6: I'm going to do things my way. And then Brad Pitt,

1640
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 6: you know, playing Billy Bean, says to him, the Yankees

1641
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 6: are paying you X million dollars to play against them.

1642
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 6: What does that say about you? You know, and how

1643
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 6: the Yankees feel about you? And that's not a knock

1644
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 6: on Dame, but it speaks to where the Bucks are

1645
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 6: as a franchise that they're willing to just move on

1646
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 6: and cut ties with one of the better guards in

1647
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 6: the sport.

1648
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 4: And I know he's coming off of an.

1649
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 6: Injury, but he was under contract for another, i think

1650
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 6: two or three years and they said.

1651
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 3: No, we're good.

1652
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 6: We're just going to pay out the rest of your

1653
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 6: contract and you can go wherever you want, Bud. And

1654
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 6: it just it really does speak to where Milwaukee is

1655
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 6: as a franchise. And I think if Giannis catches wind

1656
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 6: of that and feels like the Bucks are not building

1657
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 6: a franchise that wants to win a championship, but they're

1658
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 6: just kind of rebuilding, then yeah, I think this is

1659
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 6: an easy decision for him to sit down with the

1660
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 6: Bucks brass and say this isn't working. Trade me somewhere else,

1661
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 6: get your draft picks. You can rebuild the right way,

1662
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 6: and I'll go try to win a championship. Because it's

1663
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 6: clear that you don't want to win one another one.

1664
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 6: You know, you don't want to win again. So I

1665
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 6: do think an like once the Dame news happened, Brian,

1666
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 6: my initial thought was, when's Gianni's gonna opt out?

1667
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 4: And it does feel like that end is coming soon.

1668
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,799
Speaker 2: I don't know it's because this could go the exact

1669
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 2: opposite way. It really depends on how Yanis looks at it,

1670
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 2: because you could look at it and say, hey, the Bucks,

1671
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: they're being as proactive as possible. They they're willing to

1672
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: pay Damian Lillard all that money because they want to

1673
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: be as viable as possible and have as good of

1674
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 2: a supporting cast for Yannis as possible for the here

1675
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 2: and now, you know, and it's a huge risk. They

1676
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna pay Dame all that money to not play

1677
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: for them, And they signed Miles Turner, they signed some

1678
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 2: of their other guys. They're trying to make the supporting

1679
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 2: cast as good as possible and make it as appealing

1680
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: as possible for Yannis next season. So it's possible he

1681
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: looks at this as glass half full, like man, they've

1682
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: they've really done as much as they can here. There

1683
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: are a lot of franchises that would just shrug their

1684
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 2: shoulders and be like, man, Dame's hurt. That sucks, but

1685
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: we're handcuffed. There's really not much we can do. And

1686
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: they said, yeah, we can use this stretch provision over

1687
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: here and just buy them out and then try to

1688
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: sign Miles Turner and make some moves, do what we can.

1689
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 2: So it really is in the eye of the beholder.

1690
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: It could be he looks at it the way you said, Jared,

1691
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 2: or he looks at it whatever I just said right there.

1692
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 2: But I think that look, I think that the Bucks.

1693
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: The best thing for them would be if Jannis says,

1694
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: I need to go somewhere else, because it's clear they're

1695
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 2: not capable and it's totally unwanted for them to make

1696
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: the hard decision. The hard decision is trading Yannis, because

1697
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: that is your only viable path forward. If you look

1698
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 2: at this objectively. If Jannis rees the Bucks are the

1699
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Westbrook Thunder, that's what they are. It's Giannis is gonna

1700
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 2: go ballistic, put up these huge numbers, and the Bucks

1701
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 2: are gonna lose right away in the playoffs. They lost

1702
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 2: three years in a row in the first round with

1703
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Westbrook putting up insane numbers, averaging triple doubles for the

1704
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 2: entire season. You know, first round exits one after another.

1705
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 2: That's what the Bucks are gonna be. Why would you

1706
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: risk your future for that? It doesn't make sense. Why

1707
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 2: would you risk Yannis? He's had you know, like achilles tightness,

1708
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: calf injuries. But why would you risk Yannis getting hurt

1709
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: and ruining all that trade value. You don't have picks,

1710
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: you don't have financial flexibility, you don't have a viable

1711
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 2: path forward. Trading Yannis is your only path forward where

1712
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 2: you have a better window and you go younger and

1713
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: hopefully you're had a better chance to really compete for

1714
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,799
Speaker 2: a championship when the landscape is more in your favor.

1715
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: It's not in your favor right now, so they're not

1716
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: willing to make the hard decision. So the best case

1717
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: scenario for them, in my opinion, is Yannis doing that

1718
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 2: for them and saying I want to go elsewhere and

1719
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 2: then they're forced to trade him. I think that would

1720
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: be the best thing for the Bucks.

1721
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bucks have handcuffed themselves salary wise, and they look,

1722
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 5: the results are the results. They've underperformed. And that's not

1723
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 5: necessarily Yannis's fault. He's one of the best in the

1724
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 5: league at what he does. It's the surrounding cast. And

1725
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 5: I mean, can you control an achilles tear?

1726
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 6: No?

1727
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 5: Can you control underperformance from draft picks or free agent

1728
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 5: acquisitions or acquisitions in trade? Not always, And so it

1729
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 5: is what it is. But the results speak loudly. And

1730
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 5: I agree with what you said. I mean they need

1731
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,799
Speaker 5: the draft capital too. I mean the Bucks are hurting.

1732
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 5: Their future is uncertain if they keep y honest, they

1733
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 5: need to kind of refill the stores.

1734
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 3: Their cabinets are barren right now. So where do you go?

1735
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 5: You're in You're you're in salary Hell, you have, like

1736
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 5: you said, an aging superstar and you you have no

1737
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 5: forward progress moves.

1738
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 3: It almost feels like, in some ways.

1739
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 5: Secretly, behind the scenes, they're hoping Yannis requests the trade,

1740
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 5: so they're not the ones holding the guilt on his

1741
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 5: way out of town.

1742
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the response to it is

1743
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 6: Brian like, and I get your your take. There's a

1744
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 6: chance that Johannest does view it in that way, But

1745
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 6: what do you like? What do you handy gat the

1746
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 6: odds of that, Like, if you were honest right now,

1747
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 6: do you say he's leaning in that direction or would

1748
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 6: you say he's leaning in the direction of I don't

1749
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 6: think basically cutting Dame Lillard and adding Miles Turner is

1750
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 6: helping the situation.

1751
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1752
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 2: I'll say I don't know what he's thinking or where

1753
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 2: he's leaning. But if I were him, I'd be looking

1754
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 2: at that with my question. Yeah, yeah, I'd be like,

1755
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: that's cool that you guys are making moves and doing

1756
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 2: all that you can. I think they really have done

1757
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 2: all they can. But at the end of the day,

1758
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 2: the roster is what it is, and it's exactly good enough.

1759
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 2: So if he's serious about winning a title, it's not there.

1760
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's where I'm at. And if that's where I'm at,

1761
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 6: imagine where Yiannis is at right right. Because I'm not

1762
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 6: an NBA roster expert. I mean, I play one on

1763
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 6: radio sometimes, but when I look at the Buck roster,

1764
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 6: I see I see a lot of average and one

1765
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 6: great player.

1766
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 4: Right, and you need I think two probably two and

1767
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 4: a half great players to win an NBA title, and

1768
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 4: you need a really good bench. And that's not what

1769
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 4: the Bucks at.

1770
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 6: I mean, let's just go through the roster, like, let's

1771
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 6: just go through the depth chart right now as it's constructed.

1772
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 6: Kevin Porter, Junior, Gary Trent, Kyle Kuzma, Miles Turner. That's

1773
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 6: the starting five outside of Janness. Here's your bench. Cole

1774
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 6: Anthony and Prince, Bobby Portis, AJ Green, Jericho Sims, Ryan Rollins.

1775
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 4: I'm getting deep into the I like it, yeah, but.

1776
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 3: I think we played for the Phillies in TI.

1777
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 6: Yes, seriously, Like like just the starting lineup Kevin Porter junior,

1778
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 6: Gary Trent Junior, Kyle Kuzma, Miles Turner and Giannis.

1779
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

1780
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 6: What if you're Giannis looking at this, and I'm not

1781
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 6: knocking these players, they're especially Myles Turner's had a really

1782
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 6: accomplished career. But the Eastern Conference is wide open right now.

1783
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 6: Anyone can win it.

1784
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 4: If you're Giannis, you're probably thinking everyone can win it

1785
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 4: but us, because I don't think we can win it

1786
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 4: with this thruster.

1787
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm really curious to see what the off season, how

1788
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: it shapes up, you know, because it's getting to be

1789
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 2: go time if the Bucks are moving him, if Jannis

1790
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 2: wants to be moved, We're getting around the time where

1791
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: that's gonna need to take place, you know, So see

1792
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 2: how it goes. And yeah, the other layer is Damian

1793
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,560
Speaker 2: Lillard going back to the Blazers, Like how all this

1794
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 2: stuff works together. The Bucks still owe draft picks for

1795
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 2: the Drew Holidays. Oh my god, they're teammates now in

1796
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: Portland Dame who they still owe draft picks for, Like

1797
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 2: Drew Holiday who they still owe draft picks for. Those

1798
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 2: guys are teammates again with the Blazers. So you want

1799
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: to talk about a lack of draft capital, that would

1800
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 2: be the Milwaukee Bucks. And that's because they've been so aggressive.

1801
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: I take my hat off to them. They've been so

1802
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 2: aggressive trying to build around Yannis. But it's gotten to

1803
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 2: a point where it's like the New Orleans Saints, you know,

1804
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 2: when they keep kicking the can down the road, keep

1805
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 2: that It's like this is a credit card bill that

1806
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 2: comes due. You can only make so many trades and

1807
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: so many deals that involve future picks and have any

1808
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: viable future. They just don't. They don't have picks. You

1809
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 2: need picks, Like we just saw the final with the

1810
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Pacers and Okase all the depth. You can't build great

1811
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: depth when you've made all these trades to try to

1812
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 2: get difference makers and it goes the way it did.

1813
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 2: It worked with Drew Holliday, they won a title, awesome.

1814
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it didn't work with Dame. It didn't mesh those

1815
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 2: two seasons and then unfortunately got hurt as not their

1816
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: fault at all. They were aggressive, just didn't work out

1817
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 2: one of those things.

1818
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and now Dame goes back to Portland and that

1819
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 5: homecoming is an interesting one.

1820
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 6: You know.

1821
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1822
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 5: We were sitting around speculating, Brian, like, where the heck

1823
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 5: is this guy gonna go?

1824
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 3: And what is our contract gonna look like?

1825
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 5: Because Milwaukee's on the hook for so much money and

1826
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 5: it's a pretty lucrative deal for Dame because was it

1827
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 5: three years, forty two million dollars and a lot of

1828
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 5: player control in this one, no trade clause, an option

1829
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 5: for Dame. I mean, man again, it's sort of it's

1830
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 5: it's painting the same picture we were just painting for

1831
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 5: the past fifteen minute. It's about Milwaukee, like they are

1832
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 5: still on the hook for so much of Dame's contract

1833
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 5: and then he's double dipping because you're allowed to in

1834
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 5: the NBA at least once. Maybe it's more than that.

1835
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 5: I know it's only once in your career. In the NFL,

1836
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 5: it's crazy. It's crazy though, Uh this league. Look, the

1837
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 5: players have so much control. I think that's the bottom line.

1838
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 5: And I think in certain cases that really injures and

1839
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 5: hampers a team's way forward.

1840
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 3: And sometimes it can be helpful.

1841
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 5: So to put a bow on the conversation about Milwaukee, man,

1842
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 5: it may help them. If Yannis requests a trade, it

1843
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 5: really may help them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think

1844
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 5: I think that's what they want.

1845
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 4: Do you think they don't trade him unless he requests it?

1846
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: No way they would. They should, but they won't cause

1847
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 2: there their moves show you that their moves that they're

1848
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: they're try. We got Miles Turner, you honestly, we did this,

1849
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: We signed this guy, we resigned that guy like good. Yeah,

1850
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 2: it's like they should want Giannis to say I need

1851
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 2: to go, but they don't. Their moves show you that

1852
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: they don't feel that way.

1853
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 6: Interesting because like the way that I viewed the Turner move,

1854
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 6: it was just like desperation, like not we're.

1855
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 4: Building a championship, but like we needed to add someone.

1856
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 6: So here you go, you know, like I thought, I

1857
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 6: thought the Lillard move was the sign that they were

1858
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 6: not interested in really winning a championship, because if you

1859
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 6: really are interested in winning a championship, you keep Lillard

1860
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 6: and you add Turner and then you say, hey Dame, listen,

1861
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 6: or hey hey Yannis listen. Dame's gonna come back and

1862
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 6: you have Miles Turner and then we're gonna build this

1863
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 6: thing up. But when you pay Dame to not be

1864
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 6: on the team anymore, that is the indicator of a

1865
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 6: team that is rebuilding and that has no desire to

1866
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 6: really compete this year. That's the way I viewed the

1867
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 6: Dame move.

1868
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 2: I look at it differently. I look at it where

1869
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 2: we can't get Turner unless we do this thing with Dame,

1870
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,520
Speaker 2: like we're hitting aprons. You know, there's all these implications

1871
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 2: we can't do both. So this is the path we

1872
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 2: had to take to get Turner and to do all

1873
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 2: these other things.

1874
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 4: Is they're still paying Dame regardless, right.

1875
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 2: But it's at it's at a lower number and you

1876
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: don't hit the same apron stuff, right, Like, you can't

1877
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 2: do everything. You know, you're able to stretch this out

1878
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 2: over five years paying.

1879
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 6: I understand the stretch, but there's no but you're not

1880
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 6: replace You didn't replace him with anyone. You just cut

1881
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 6: your point guard and there's no point guard to replace him. Like,

1882
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 6: the way I viewed it is, if they really wanted

1883
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 6: to compete this year, they would have signed a point

1884
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 6: guard who can play Dame's position.

1885
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 4: That's why it was really confusing.

1886
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't understand.

1887
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 6: You cut your I mean, I know the best player,

1888
01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 6: but you essentially cut your best backcourt player and you

1889
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 6: replace him with nobody.

1890
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think what it is like, we got to

1891
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: do everything we can because Giannis could walk, Jannis could

1892
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 2: ask for a trade, So they're doing everything they possibly can.

1893
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 4: Then why not deal with one year of the apron?

1894
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Well that's you can't you can't deal with the second

1895
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 2: the second or apron is a no go.

1896
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 4: It's just is it really that punit one?

1897
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so bad.

1898
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 4: You really have I don't know enough about it yet

1899
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:30,719
Speaker 4: to really make that opinion.

1900
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's real it's really that bad because

1901
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 6: I would have dealt with it for one year.

1902
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 4: If a man keeping Giannis for another ten or five,

1903
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 4: you know.

1904
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. We could get to it, you know.

1905
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Speaker 2: Apron talk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly.

1918
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 6: So.

1919
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 2: There are a couple of quick facts, real quick, real fast.

1920
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 2: And also, man, this player and the team he plays

1921
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Speaker 1: High and deep to right.

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1930
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: Febots cannot believe it?

1931
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just insanity. Ronald Cunya Junior with an insane throw.

1932
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,840
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1933
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,439
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1934
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1935
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,040
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1936
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,800
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1937
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 2: should be. He had a Kunya junior. He threw the

1938
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 2: ball three hundred and one feet on a frozen rope.

1939
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1940
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 2: He caught the ball near the warning track, deep and

1941
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,600
Speaker 2: right field and threw the ball on the fly to

1942
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 2: the third baseman, tagged out the Yankees base runner. That

1943
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 2: was a sensational play by a Kunya junior and no

1944
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: crow hop, just flat footage and just like just set

1945
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 2: that ball soaring. That was crazy man crazy. One of

1946
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 2: the better plays you'll see, let me throw a ball

1947
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 2: in here and we'll get to the an apron. But

1948
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, second apron is, you know, almost like legal Leese.

1949
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 4: At this point, I.

1950
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 2: Feel like I'm starting to scratch my neck. You know,

1951
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 2: I need a ball fix over here. You know, I

1952
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 2: need some football. Did you see this story with Colts

1953
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 2: quarterback Anthony Richardson? So at Adam Schefter tweeted this out

1954
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 2: that Anthony Richardson is believed to have recovered from his

1955
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: recent right shoulder setback as the team prepares to report

1956
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 2: for training camp next week. And Uh, look, man, uh

1957
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 2: maybe Anthony Richardson, maybe he turns a corner, Maybe he's

1958
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 2: blessed with better health. Maybe he starts performing better passing

1959
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 2: wise than he has. His completion percentage was under forty

1960
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 2: eight percent last season, under forty eight percent in today's NFL.

1961
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 2: It is a bad situation. I think the Colts have

1962
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: completely mishandled him. Man, he needed to he needed to

1963
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 2: not start right away. He barely played in college, and

1964
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 2: they threw him in right away as a rookie quarterback

1965
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 2: and it has not gone well ever since. I think

1966
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: that they were eager to a fault and I don't

1967
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 2: want to make it sound like if you sit a

1968
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: guy a year or two years, that he's destined for stardom.

1969
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. But I can tell you

1970
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 2: if you throw a guy in there before he's ready

1971
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 2: to be thrown in, you can wreck him. And I

1972
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 2: think Anthony Richardson is wrecked. I mean, it's great, his

1973
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 2: shoulder seems to be better, but I'm not expecting anything

1974
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 2: this season, and I don't know if we're ever going

1975
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 2: to see anything from him in his NFL career. It

1976
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:34,719
Speaker 2: might be too late already.

1977
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 5: Chronic injury concerns. That's a huge red flag. The inaccuracy

1978
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 5: and inconsistent mechanics. Whenever you go on to one of

1979
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 5: those YouTube pages where former quarterback is breaking down Anthony

1980
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 5: Richardson and his throwing motion and his footwork when he's

1981
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 5: trying to place the ball, they'll cite poor mechanics. Plus

1982
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 5: the bench competition, all of a sudden bringing in Danny Dimes. Yeah,

1983
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 5: kind of a fresh look for the offensive huddle. Look,

1984
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 5: that's whatever you want to say about Daniel Jones and

1985
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 5: his history in the NFL. The reality of the situation

1986
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 5: is he's a veteran knows how to handle himself in

1987
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 5: a lot of different situations. And so when you have

1988
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 5: a guy who's threatening for a starting job, who knows

1989
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 5: how to speak to his teammates, commands the huddle, and

1990
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,719
Speaker 5: is looking for a fresh start in many different ways,

1991
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 5: that can be an unbelievably uncomfortable situation for a starting

1992
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 5: quarterback who hasn't had as bumpy a tenure as Anthony Richardson.

1993
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,759
Speaker 5: And then you know some of the mental preparation red flags.

1994
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 5: He tapped out during a game. Yeah, are you kidding me? Yeah,

1995
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 5: I mean I've never heard of it. I mean, I

1996
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 5: simply have never heard of it. If I have, I've

1997
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 5: deleted it from my memory banks. He's one of the

1998
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:09,679
Speaker 5: very few in the history of sports where they kind

1999
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,799
Speaker 5: of I mean Roberto Duran, his entire career is summed

2000
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 5: up with two words, and they're in Espanol.

2001
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 3: No moss, no moss.

2002
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Roberto Duran had literally granite for fi.

2003
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 5: The guy could punch through stone. He was an unbelievable boxer.

2004
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 5: But because he quit during a fight, he is defined

2005
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 5: by two words, no moss.

2006
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 3: You can't do it. It's a terrible, terrible albatross.

2007
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 5: To be hanging around Anthony Richardson's neck, and I look,

2008
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 5: I mean, it is what it is. The cults are

2009
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 5: a little bit stuck here. They drafted him what third overall,

2010
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 5: so you kind of have to see this thing through.

2011
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 5: But my goodness, don't stay too.

2012
01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 3: Late at that party.

2013
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 5: The Arizona Cardinals made a mistake drafting Rosen, and they

2014
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 5: quickly tore the band aid off and they drafted Yeah,

2015
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 5: you're right right away, and that organization obviously pivoted quickly

2016
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 5: and they reaped the benefits of playoff visits as a

2017
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 5: result of that. I obviously the Colts haven't responded as quickly,

2018
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 5: they haven't done anything as urgent as all that, but

2019
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 5: it feels like they probably should move on at this point.

2020
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the numbers are not pretty and then

2021
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 6: you mentioned tapping out. The only defense I have is

2022
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 6: he's twenty three years old, and you know, he's very young,

2023
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 6: and they obviously drafted him young right like he was,

2024
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 6: didn't have as much experience coming out of college, didn't

2025
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 6: have as many reps. And you just hope that he

2026
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 6: matures and learns from it, because, let's be honest, the

2027
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 6: rest of this Colts team is ready to roll.

2028
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 3: Man.

2029
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 6: They just drafted Tyler Warren. We love Pittman, we love Downs,

2030
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 6: we love Pierce. They are coming off really good years

2031
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 6: despite the fact that the quarterback situation wasn't good. We

2032
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 6: love Jonathan Taylor, I certainly love Shane Steiken. I really

2033
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 6: love lou Ana Roumo, their new defensive coordinator who got

2034
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 6: cast off from Cincinnati after I don't know what happened

2035
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 6: with the Bengals, but he was like one of the brightest.

2036
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 4: Minds in the sport.

2037
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 6: He was the only defensive coordinator that could go into

2038
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 6: Kansas City and shut down Patrick Mahomes who.

2039
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:26,600
Speaker 4: Win an NFC championship.

2040
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 6: So if they can figure out the quarterback situation in Indy,

2041
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 6: the rest of that team feels like they're ready to roll.

2042
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 4: Like I like what they did in free agency.

2043
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:41,759
Speaker 6: They added buying them, added a couple of defensive pieces again,

2044
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 6: drafted Warren, drafted j T Tuamalo, the kid from Ohio

2045
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 6: State who I think is going to be a rock star.

2046
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 6: Traver's Wards the other corner that they signed in free agency.

2047
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 6: I mean, man, if you can fig and maybe it

2048
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 6: is Daniel Jones, but if Stiking can figure out a

2049
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 6: way to push the right buttons with either one of

2050
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 6: these guys, the rest of this Colts team feels like

2051
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 6: they are primed to win the AFC South because I'll

2052
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 6: be honest, that division feels like it's up for grabs.

2053
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 6: Houston did not look good down the stretch. Jacksonville is

2054
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,759
Speaker 6: working in a new head coach, and obviously the Titans

2055
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 6: have a rookie quarterback, So I there's a lot of

2056
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:23,680
Speaker 6: upside not only in this division, but with this situation

2057
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 6: if either Richardson or Jones can exercise the demons. For

2058
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,640
Speaker 6: Richardson it's obviously the accuracy and just his overall mentality.

2059
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 6: And for Daniel Jones, it's getting a new lease on

2060
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 6: life in with a second chance with a new team

2061
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 6: with a quarterbright like Brian Dable was able to get

2062
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 6: enough out of Daniel Jones to bring the Giants to

2063
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 6: the playoffs.

2064
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 4: Why can't chance they can do that?

2065
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 9: Man?

2066
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 2: It's uh, I mean, you've got what they the a

2067
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 2: rich Danny Dimes combo platter, you know, It's that's one

2068
01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 2: of the reasons you might not be able to do it.

2069
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 2: That's you're not exactly working with upper echelon quarterback talent.

2070
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 3: You know.

2071
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 2: That's the first part of this, and that's where I

2072
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 2: think it's not just Anthony Richardson has been bad for

2073
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 2: the Colts. The Colts have been bad bad for Anthony Richardson. Right,

2074
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 2: it works. It's I'm sure you've had friends throughout the

2075
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 2: years where your buddy has a girlfriend and you'll see

2076
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 2: them just arguing constantly and you're like, man, you guys

2077
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 2: are not good for each other. That's how I feel.

2078
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: Not that the Colts are arguing with Anthony Richardson, but

2079
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 2: they're just not a good mix. They're not good for

2080
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 2: each other. Anthony Richardson's numbers two years in rival Tim

2081
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 2: Tebow's NFL quarterback numbers. That is not where you want

2082
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 2: to be. He is neck and neck. You're like side

2083
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 2: by side with Tim Tebow. They're in the same could

2084
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 2: a sack, you know what I mean? A rich goes

2085
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 2: to get the mail, Hey Tim, oh hey, hey rich

2086
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 2: Like they're neck and neck. That's not where you want

2087
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,679
Speaker 2: to be. And then if you look at the Colts,

2088
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 2: this is what blows my mind. One of you guys

2089
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 2: mentioned Patrick Mahomes just second ago. If you look at

2090
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson and Patrick Mahomes in college, the reps, you get,

2091
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 2: the passing attempts that you have, they all matter. Anthony

2092
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 2: Richardson had under four hundred passing attempts at Florida. That's nothing.

2093
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 2: He didn't have experience. Mahomes had almost a thousand more

2094
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 2: passing attempts at Texas Tech. And then you had Mahomes

2095
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 2: sit almost his entire rookie season. He played one game.

2096
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 2: He started one game his rookie year. Anthony Richardson started

2097
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 2: right away, it was like Week four, whatever it was.

2098
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 2: He's starting games. And if anybody needed to be arrested

2099
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:43,599
Speaker 2: for that season, it was Anthony Richardson. But they threw

2100
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 2: him right in. He wasn't ready. That's why I think

2101
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 2: they're both bad for each other. It's just not and

2102
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 2: it might be too far gone. It really might be,

2103
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 2: but we'll see. I promised you some second Apron facts

2104
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 2: real quick. I want to throw them your way quickly here, Jared.

2105
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 2: First off, think about the Boston Celtics. They were in

2106
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 2: like second Apron territory and they're like, all right, trade Porzingis,

2107
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 2: trade Drew Holiday, get out of the second You do

2108
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 2: what you gotta do, Just get out of the second

2109
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 2: Apron right, these are some of the penalties you get

2110
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 2: hit with. You get all the first Apron penalties, and

2111
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,600
Speaker 2: that's a bunch of stuff like signing trades or not

2112
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 2: permitted this and that and all these other things. So

2113
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 2: you get all the first Apron penalties and the second

2114
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 2: Apron stuff. On top of that, you cannot have access

2115
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 2: to your mid level exception in free agency. You don't

2116
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 2: even have it. You can't trade first round picks for

2117
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 2: seven years out. From seven years out, you can't trade

2118
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 2: first rounders. Think how many first round picks are involved

2119
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 2: in trades?

2120
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 3: You know?

2121
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 2: You can't use trade exceptions from previous years. You can't

2122
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 2: use cash and trades. This is my favorite one. Wow,

2123
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 2: your first round pick move straight to the end of

2124
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 2: the first round if you stay in the second apron

2125
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 2: for three or five years.

2126
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 4: Wow.

2127
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 2: So have you that that number, that number fourteen pick

2128
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 2: that you had, Yeah, it's number thirty. Dad's unbelievable, right

2129
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 2: that that number nine pick you had you had top

2130
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 2: to that's number thirty. Now you've been in the second

2131
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 2: apron for too long.

2132
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 3: So there you go.

2133
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's pretty punitive. Look, I mean it, it

2134
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 5: stands to reason that the only way for the Bucks

2135
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 5: to move forward is if they trade Giannis. And it

2136
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 5: kind of feels like one of those you know scenes

2137
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 5: in a movie where it's like it's a it's a

2138
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 5: romantic lead saying to the other like you know, like

2139
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 5: you know this this relation can, relationship can end, and

2140
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,719
Speaker 5: everybody in the audience is going why why it must

2141
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 5: like I can't.

2142
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:58,440
Speaker 3: Quit you like you gotta you gotta walk away.

2143
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 5: Like it, I mean, this is this unfortunately, I mean,

2144
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Speaker 5: could it have worked? I mean technically it did. I

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Speaker 5: mean it netted that city a chance.

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Speaker 4: They want a championship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you kind of want.

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Speaker 5: You want what's best for all parties involved, And for

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Speaker 5: the Bucks to have any path forward, they're going to

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Speaker 5: have to move on from Jannis. And for Yiannis, I mean,

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Speaker 5: the reality for him is I mean, if if the

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Speaker 5: Bucks make the decision, he'll look prettier for it. But

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Speaker 5: that that's probably not going to be the case. That's

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Speaker 5: just probably he's going to probably have the force issue

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Speaker 5: for this.

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Speaker 2: But by the way, you know what, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: like it's like a supersized version of Dame in Portland

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Speaker 2: the first time. Yeah, you know, he's there he's the guy,

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Speaker 2: he's the made man. He's had all the success individually,

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Speaker 2: they made it to Western Conference finals, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: he wants to compete for a championship and now he's

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Speaker 2: gotta be the bad guy that requests the trade because

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Speaker 2: the Blazers they don't want to be the bad guy

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Speaker 2: to just trade them, you know. And Giannis is a superstar,

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Speaker 2: two time MVP on a grander scale wana title there.

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Speaker 2: So it's a greater version of what you saw with

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Speaker 2: Damon Portland, really is We've got.

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Speaker 4: Does Giannis get traded before the season starts?

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Speaker 2: Yes, No, only if he wants to. I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes, I'm gonna say it needs to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it needs to happen. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: We've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

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Speaker 2: was some riff raff on X today. Huh, some guy

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Speaker 2: coming after us or talking about the former executive director

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Speaker 2: Rich very mature.

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Speaker 4: You know, Rich was much nicer than me with my bunch.

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Speaker 2: Nicer I'm like, I'll let Rich handle this. I'll let

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Speaker 2: Rich handle this because you know, once I get involved,

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Speaker 2: it's just just not good.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to hire you to handle all the people

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Speaker 6: who troll me on social media.

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Speaker 4: There, defuse that situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bomb, that was impressive, very well done. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your turn this morning.

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Speaker 3: Very nice.

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Speaker 2: Top of the hour up on game LeVar Arrington, t J. Huschman, Zada,

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Speaker 2: covered here on Fox Sports Radio. Don't move a muscle,

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Speaker 2: all right, We've got some picks to make. Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Rapid fire.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jared, we start with you.

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Speaker 3: What do you like?

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go under eight in the Blue Jays

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Speaker 4: Giants game. This was a very low scoring game yesterday

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Speaker 4: the Giants did not score a run despite having eleven hits.

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Speaker 4: Today they get Logan Web on.

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Speaker 6: The mound, who we love fantastic, having an awesome year

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Speaker 6: and Eric Lauer for Toronto sneaky good numbers and eight

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Speaker 6: starts just a two point seven eight era. So I

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Speaker 6: think another low scoring game between the Giants and the

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Speaker 6: Blue Jays is in order, and I'll give you a

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Speaker 6: couple of money lines. I'll bounce back with the Yankees

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Speaker 6: on the Braves against the Braves today. Excuse me, they

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Speaker 6: lost yesterday high scoring game. Braves had the better pitching

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Speaker 6: match up. Yesterday they had Spencer Strider against Ian Hamilton.

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Speaker 6: Today it's Will Warren, who's looked really good for the

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Speaker 6: Yanks in his outings this year, against Joey Wetz making

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Speaker 6: his first start of the year. He's a bullpen guy

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Speaker 6: with an ERA over six. So the Yankees have the

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Speaker 6: advantage on the mound today, and I'll give you the

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Speaker 6: Mariners on the money line against the Astros.

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Speaker 4: This als is getting tight.

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Speaker 6: Mariners with a win yesterday. They have Logan Evans on

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Speaker 6: the mound today, who's been kind of up and down

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Speaker 6: against Lance McCullers, who's also been up and down. But

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Speaker 6: I'll take the home cooking in Seattle. I think the

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Speaker 6: Mariners get the win over at the Astros and continue

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Speaker 6: their series win.

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Speaker 5: Okay, give me Saint Louis Cardinals pitcher Sonny Gray over

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Speaker 5: five and a half strikeouts today against the d Backs.

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Speaker 5: He's elite ten point nine to eight k's per nine

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Speaker 5: kind of ranks among the best in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 5: d Backs striking out about twenty point five percent of

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Speaker 5: the time against right handers. And you know, Grease swinging

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Speaker 5: this stuff is award winning, so I think this bodes

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Speaker 5: well for him going over the five and a half

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Speaker 5: strikeout mark. Reds Mets. Give me the Reds as the

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Speaker 5: team to score first. A strong reason to back the

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Speaker 5: Reds is the fact that they lead Major League Baseball

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Speaker 5: on first inning runs. They're super aggressive offensively in the

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Speaker 5: first inning in terms of their plate discipline. And then

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Speaker 5: the Giants on the money line. All the reasons. Jared

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Speaker 5: just mentioned Logan web on the mound. He's been great,

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Speaker 5: they're bullpens great. I like the Giants today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, Jared, we think alike. I had Giants.

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Speaker 2: I almost said Raptors a Giant Blue Jays under eight

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Speaker 2: circled as well.

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Speaker 3: I like that by you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with a different Toronto team. Let

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Speaker 2: me go to the Summer League Toronto Raptors. Now it's

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Speaker 2: ticked up a little bit, it's minus three and a

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Speaker 2: half now, but they have played suffocating defense all Summer

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Speaker 2: league long. I like them today against the Kings. I

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Speaker 2: actually like the Raptors to win Summer League. It's down

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Speaker 2: to the final four basically, so they're point differential. They're

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Speaker 2: almost plus sixteen, not like collectively over four games. On average,

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Speaker 2: over four games, they've won by an average about sixteen points.

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Speaker 2: This Raptors team is really good.

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Speaker 3: I like them today.

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Speaker 2: I'll lay the three and a half. I'll also lay

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Speaker 2: the three and a half. Not to sound the square

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Speaker 2: city here, but Portland the Blazers. They're three and one,

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Speaker 2: but their point differential is among the best in Summer League.

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Speaker 2: They're going up against Phoenix. Phoenix point differential sucks. I

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Speaker 2: like the Blazers to cover the three and a half,

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Speaker 2: and I would like to get my guy Adrian Hauser

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Speaker 2: into rapid fire the White Sox pitcher. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go with Sabrina Yanescu. Give me the twenty plus points

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Speaker 2: U NBA All Star Game. We got a four point

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Speaker 2: shot and automatic free throws.

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Speaker 3: I'm in