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Speaker 1: your Marlins. Once again, I'm joined by fish Stripe's deputy editor,

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Speaker 1: Lewis Addio Weiss to continue our Marlin's off season shopping series.

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Speaker 1: But first, a breaking news story earlier in the day

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Speaker 1: we got to react to first before we go on

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Speaker 1: with our normal business. Miguel Rojas is close to finalizing

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Speaker 1: a contract extension that will keep him with the Marlins

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Speaker 1: beyond the twenty twenty two season, so I grabbed this

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Speaker 1: clip of Miggie. This is him speaking on Tuesday's episode

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Speaker 1: of the Chris Rose Rotation YouTube show.

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Speaker 2: We're talking, We're I'm happy I'm happy that they approached

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Speaker 2: the year in spring training and then during the year.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to be here in Miami, and I

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Speaker 2: want to continue to be here and be part of

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Speaker 2: this organization when we are actually we actually take that

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Speaker 2: step towards towards the part that we want to be,

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Speaker 2: which is a winning, winning franchise. So I've been here

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Speaker 2: for the up and downs, a lot of downs, but

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Speaker 3: Here for the ups. Tuo so great.

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Speaker 2: We're getting really close and I'm happy to I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to share that with you guys.

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Speaker 1: We're getting really close, he says, we're still waiting on terms.

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Speaker 1: Just your first reaction, lewis about the news that he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been here since the start of the twenty

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Speaker 3: fifteenth season. Not many people talk about how well we

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Speaker 3: did in that Andrew Heeney three team trade with LA

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Speaker 3: when we got Dee Gordon, who would go on to

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Speaker 3: among the most longest tenured Marlins. I believe you know

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Speaker 3: this twenty twenty two will be his eighth season. I'm

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Speaker 3: not even one hundred percent sure how many Marlins have

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Speaker 1: I know Conine, I know just because I looked up

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Speaker 1: You never know with guys once they get deep into

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Speaker 3: During the season, everybody we talked to about him and

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Speaker 1: But most importantly, he's someone that can fit within any

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Speaker 3: And then when you look at him too, I just

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Speaker 3: You know, a guy like Rojas wouldn't be opposed to

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Speaker 3: It's one of one of the things that make him

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Speaker 3: a lost season for them, they lost over one hundred games.

431
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Speaker 3: Was a pretty good to average slightly above average first basement.

432
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Speaker 3: So I mean, guys like this will benefit from playing

433
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Speaker 3: in organizations like that. And you know, I wouldn't be

434
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Speaker 3: opposed to a guy like that because he can give

435
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Speaker 3: your starters at rest, he can give your bullpen at

436
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 3: rest if you need length. He was you know, I

437
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: may mention of Brian Sanchez a lot. There needs to

438
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Speaker 3: be a counter for every time I make mention of

439
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Speaker 3: him on a podcast or in an article that I'm

440
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: writing about long relievers. But you know, it gets over

441
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Speaker 3: it doesn't get overstated enough how important a guy like

442
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: that is, who can kind of flip flop between the

443
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: rotation of the bullpen when you have you know, you're

444
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Speaker 3: playing one hundred and sixty two games season and guys

445
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: are gonna get tired. Guys are just gonna get hurt.

446
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: So he's an a security blanket who could give you

447
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Speaker 3: some high leverage innings too.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean comparatively, like I'm saying, probably won't break

449
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Speaker 1: the bank. But we've seen this organization not yet. They

450
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: haven't made any sort of like big investment in any pitcher.

451
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Speaker 1: I mean, to this point, I think the most money

452
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Speaker 1: they've spent on any one outside pitcher was Anthony Bass

453
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Speaker 1: last year. So in this territory and probably with other

454
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Speaker 1: guys are gonna mention this is going to be like

455
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Speaker 1: a new stretch kind of out of their comfort zone

456
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Speaker 1: if they're gonna get any of these guys that you

457
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Speaker 1: know they really want in this era.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we did give Mark Burley four years

459
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Speaker 3: and fifty six million prior to twenty twelve season. But

460
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Speaker 3: in the Jeter Sherman now Aang era, yeah, we haven't

461
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: really opened up the checkbook for starting pitching. And you know,

462
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Speaker 3: there's nothing I mean, in a sense, there's not really

463
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Speaker 3: anything wrong with that because Jeter and Coast seem to

464
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Speaker 3: have faith in what they're building as far as a

465
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Speaker 3: pipeline of starting pitching goes. And again, nothing wrong with that. Obviously,

466
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Speaker 3: the early returns on guys like six to zero and

467
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: Trevor Rodgers are you know, two thumbs up for most

468
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Speaker 3: of us across the board. But you know, you know,

469
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Speaker 3: one year doesn't really show you anything other than like

470
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Speaker 3: what could be and what what may not be over

471
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Speaker 3: the long term. So another name that I had as

472
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Speaker 3: far as the starting picture goes, and this is you know,

473
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Speaker 3: when I tease prior to the show and we were

474
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Speaker 3: having our you know, our conversations partor is getting started

475
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: was a name that may kind of like take you

476
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Speaker 3: back a little bit, but I like it just because

477
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Speaker 3: I'm always been a fan of his. If I woke

478
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Speaker 3: up tomorrow or when the World Series ends and I

479
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: see that the Marlins are engaging in talking to the

480
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: guy like Zach Greenki, I'm not going to complain. Listen,

481
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: he's a veteran. He's a veteran. He's going to be

482
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Speaker 3: entering at age thirty eight season in twenty twenty two.

483
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Speaker 3: The velocity's not there anymore. He's not throwing ninety five

484
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Speaker 3: ninety six the way he was in Kansas City. But

485
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Speaker 3: he still manages to be an effective big league pitcher.

486
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was only worth one point two Baseball

487
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: Reference war and although he started off relatively strong and

488
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Speaker 3: then he kind of cooled off at the end, we

489
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Speaker 3: did some concerns though, maybe the fact that he's only

490
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Speaker 3: thrown once entering tonight in the last like two weeks,

491
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Speaker 3: and then his last four starts to end the season

492
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Speaker 3: he had an the ra over eleven.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're recording this, he finished up his the

494
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: needed him desperately to fill in for the Astros in

495
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: this game four of the Alcs and elimited an ending

496
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: in a third through more balls than strikes. So this

497
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: is not inticative over the year that he had though no.

498
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Speaker 3: I mean, but and when you if you look beyond that,

499
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Speaker 3: because look, it's important, you obviously want to pitch on

500
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: the postseason, and we can talk. We can have a

501
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Speaker 3: separate podcast about Granky's sketchy history in playoff baseball. As

502
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: far as it goes, I mean, he's under lighter version

503
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Speaker 3: of Clayton Kershaw as far as big game, big name

504
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: pitchers throwing you know, less than cellar games in October.

505
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Speaker 3: But Greanky, you know, you can throw up a four

506
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Speaker 3: point one six ra although the FIP was about four

507
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 3: point seven, but the whip was only one point one seven.

508
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 3: So a lot of the damage that he gave up

509
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: came via home runs. He allowed thirty home runs in

510
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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy one and he's not missing that's

511
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Speaker 3: the way that he used to. But I don't put

512
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Speaker 3: it past a guy who can like like him, who's

513
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 3: kind of just evolved beyond the velocity the way the

514
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Speaker 3: guy like Frank Tanana did, or even C. S. Savathia

515
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: later in their career, where they just managed to kind

516
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: of fight a way to get hitters out despite you know,

517
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: not having what was once their strength and that philosity

518
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: I love and just to see how a professional like

519
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: Grank he does it, albeit he does it a little

520
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: bit differently because of his battles with clinical depression and anxiety.

521
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Speaker 3: He's obviously not the most like open kind of player.

522
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: And that's nothing to use against him. Listen, there's people

523
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: that suffer from depression and anxiety, and that's never something

524
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: you should joke about, but it's a it's a hallmark

525
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: of kind of What makes him unique is just the

526
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Speaker 3: way that he goes about his business, the bluntness in

527
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: which he kind of approaches interviews, even when he rarely

528
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Speaker 3: does them. He's to me, he's one of the most

529
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Speaker 3: fascinating players I've ever seen. I think he's a future

530
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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. And regardless of maybe how open he

531
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Speaker 3: may be with some of the young guys, I think

532
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Speaker 3: just watching a guy like that on a daily basis

533
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: would be just be fat even if he's given up

534
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: five runs and outing, you know, a sort of throughout

535
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Speaker 3: the season. I'd love to have a guy like Grank

536
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: in this up. A professional in every sense of the word.

537
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's a guy that I'd love to see

538
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 3: in Miami. Albeit I don't know if you even want

539
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: to be here right.

540
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Speaker 1: Well, they the Marlins have a very interesting track record

541
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Speaker 1: of somehow convincing or at least outbidding other people for

542
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: these end of the road Hall of famers. I mean

543
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: they get that. Each year they have tim Rains, they

544
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys in between. Yeah, Andre Dawson.

545
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: I mean the list goes on of other guys that

546
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: that somehow they land with for different motivations. And I

547
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Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't rule it out. And He's He's definitely

548
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: crossed my mind. I didn't have him circled, but he

549
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: did cross my mind because I knew he's available, and

550
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: I guess, unfortunately for him, but fortunately for the Marlins

551
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: at this moment, he would He would be somebody that

552
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Speaker 1: you think his stock is pretty far down in terms

553
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: of actually being a picture, that he's someone that would

554
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: be in their price range, whatever that price range is. Yeah,

555
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: my list is pretty heavy on hitters. The last picture

556
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Speaker 1: I really have in here is an old friend and

557
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: not really that old, well not that long ago. It

558
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: would be recent reunion with Brad Bachsberger, who this year

559
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: was with the Brewers, and I liked the move at

560
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: the time, he had reached like a crossroads in his

561
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: career and he had to He went with drive Line

562
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: to kind of reinvent himself, to change his pitch design

563
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: to regain some velocity. And you know, he was pretty

564
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: good during the sword in season, but it was a

565
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: short season and he did have some individual moments that

566
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: stuck out that for whatever reason, the Marlins did't seem

567
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: any bit interested in bring him back for this year

568
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: after being in twenty twenty on the one year contract.

569
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Speaker 1: So he languished in free agency all the way into

570
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: deep spring training and he landed with the Brewers. For

571
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Speaker 1: the Brewers, I mean, I guess the one concern that

572
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: maybe people had about him was is I don't know

573
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: exactly what specific concerns may have had him lingering that

574
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: long other than just being a reliever. He was pretty

575
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: good with the Brewers this year. For a reliever to

576
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: be in this tiar in this between one point one

577
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: and two war, you need to be durable and you

578
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: need to be well above our bridge in run prevention.

579
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: And he put up a three point three four ERA.

580
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: He he was extremely tough to hit well. His opposing

581
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: batting average was one ninety two this year. He gave

582
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: his fair share of home runs, but like overall pretty

583
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: average eight home runs and sixty four and two thirds innings,

584
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Speaker 1: and I mean most importantly, the strikeouts went through the roof.

585
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: They were solid last year, but this year was I believe,

586
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: his highest in about four years since his Tampa Bay

587
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: days at thirty one point two percent k raate. He

588
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: wasn't ever closing games for them. He wasn't even their

589
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: primary setup guy. With the Brewers, people know those names,

590
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: but he was like their main seventh inning guy, and

591
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: he even had like some some fill and saves. He

592
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: has that long track record before he came to the Marlins,

593
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and really now in his career, it kind of seems

594
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: like his twenty nineteen season, the one that like almost

595
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: made him at fallout of being a major leaguer in

596
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: the first place. That kind of seems like an anomaly.

597
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Is if you look back, you have now close to

598
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: a decade of him being a pretty well above average reliever.

599
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: So I think it's a red flag. Though there's never

600
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: a strong interest in the team like pursuing him on

601
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: a new deal, but they are obviously familiar with him,

602
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: they worked relatively well with him, during that shortened season

603
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and he's going to be available again.

604
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what exactly pulled me to single

605
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: him out here, but he like we saw him pretty

606
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: recently and I kind of liked him, and I was

607
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: really curious to see what would happen once he got

608
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: a full season to re establish himself. And he re

609
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: established himself, so he's still someone that I would imagine

610
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: is going to be a one year deal more expensive

611
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: than it had been the previous two years. I didn't

612
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: understand exactly why they let him go without, you know,

613
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: making a more serious offer in the first place. And

614
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: I think I'd be fine with them buying high to

615
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: bring him back as a pretty high leverage arm for them. Yeah.

616
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Speaker 3: I mean, the last two years, he's thrown about ninety

617
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: innings in her eighty three innings. He's got a three

618
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: twenty seven ERA, it's about a one thirty ERA plus,

619
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Speaker 3: So he's been a good reliever for the last couple

620
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Speaker 3: of years. I mean, we've seen guys like this who

621
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: and he throws harder. But I mean we talked about

622
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: Tony Watson last week Foxburger. You know, he's a cutter fat.

623
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Speaker 3: He's a four seam cutter guy. He's got that night.

624
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: He's got a sharp slider too that I believe he

625
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: throws a lot with two strikes. And yeah, I mean

626
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: that twenty nineteen in Kansas City wasn't anything to write

627
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: home about, but you know, he backed up his season

628
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: this year. I think what impressed me the most is

629
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Speaker 3: with his whip was only one oh seven and he,

630
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: like you said, he gave up professional home runs. But

631
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: the whip is low because he's not really allowing a

632
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Speaker 3: lot of hits. I believe me, only a lot of

633
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: like forty four hits in sixty three innings or something

634
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: which sixty three sixty five innings, which is very good.

635
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you want to have quick, efficient innings,

636
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: but if you're not allowing hits, you know, like that's

637
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: gonna do a lot for your you know, it's giving

638
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: your hitters on your feet. He's striking guys out. I

639
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: believe he had over eleven strikeouts for nine this year.

640
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean we saw last year when the

641
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: Marlins had a great season. Though, like the the underlying

642
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: metrics for guy that Brandon Kinsler weren't as great as.

643
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: His it's a different story than Kinsler. Kinseln was that

644
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: one where, yeah, you could kind of see the cliff

645
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Speaker 1: coming ends with with Boxsburger.

646
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Speaker 3: You just didn't because the velosity sustained itself and he

647
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: was throwing. We saw him in the Division Series. He

648
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: was throwing ninety four, ninety six, getting big outs for them,

649
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: and I think that's gonna bow well for him. You know,

650
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was looking at him today too, and

651
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, this guy is going to be you know,

652
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: the way that they've kind of worked with pitchers of

653
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: the last year. So the San Francisco Giants are probably

654
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: going to be a team that I think will kind

655
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: of bid for his services because they even when Bruce

656
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: Bochie was at the Helm and they were winning those

657
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: World Series in the early twenty tens, he was the

658
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: king of bullpens. Whether he was working with a guy

659
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: like you know, Javier Lopez, he had a lot of

660
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: the reliever who pitched for the Rockies and he finished

661
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: with them totally blanking on his name, but they had it.

662
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: He had a slew of guys and Jeremy Affelt, he

663
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: had a slew of guys there that who were they

664
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: weren't household names, but Bochie was able to coax great

665
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: performances out of them, and I think Kapler's kind of

666
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: done that there. You know, obviously this isn't a Giants podcast,

667
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: but I look at I looked at Boxburg, and I'm like, yeah,

668
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: San Francisco is gonna be all over a guy like that,

669
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: because even Oakland, who tends to do well with relievers,

670
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be all over a guy that.

671
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: I'm a big Boxburger guy, and I wouldn't be opposed

672
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: to Miami bringing them back because you know, any I'm

673
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: living under the guys that. You know, anytime you bring

674
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: a pitcher into a pitcher's ballpark, there's gonna be some

675
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: sort of overall positive performance that you could draw from

676
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: when the season's over. I actually had another reliever we're

677
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: on the subject of it is the last pitcher I

678
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: had that's in this category, and a guy who knows

679
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: the division, albeit he pitched for just one and only

680
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: the Phillies this year. But Ian Kennedy, you know, a

681
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: former starter who none of us kind of envisioned doing

682
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: what he's done. He's slowly become like almost a closer.

683
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: He takes a look back at the runner of the

684
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: pitch in a high flying it's a right field hard

685
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: and he makes that text it's a ten of corn,

686
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: and the Phillies hang on and win, and by a

687
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: final score of four to three.

688
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: Philly had a one you know, one point four baseball

689
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: records were a three twenty era sixty two strikeouts in

690
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: fifty six innings and the whip is one point one zero.

691
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: H Yeah, I mean he was saving games. He's been

692
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: saving games for the last couple of years, and you

693
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: know he's What you're gonna get from him is a

694
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: big question mark given his age. I believe he'll be

695
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: thirty eight at the or thirty nine at the outset

696
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: of the next season. But you know, Ian Kennedy, you

697
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: can do a lot worse for bringing a guy like that,

698
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: don't a veteran who's not gonna cost much but looks

699
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: like he still has something in the tank with obviously

700
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: the fasketball last's got to be a little bit. Since

701
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: he's returned to the bullpen. I've kind of always liked him.

702
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: He's not the best, you know, reliever in the world.

703
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: He's kind of been like a slightly above average one

704
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: but you could do a lot worse than bring on

705
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: a guy like him.

706
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: He's interesting because through a lot of his career, probably

707
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: one of the biggest hang ups about him was his

708
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: vulnerability to home runs. He's the type of guy that

709
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: if you put him in lone depot Park, then I mean,

710
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: that's one big weakness that some extent gets neutralized that

711
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: he's if he makes the same pitches and allows the

712
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: same contact as a marl and as it would with

713
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: other teams, he's going to allow less home runs and

714
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: more flyouts and be more successful. It's it's a difficult

715
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: like line to cross, you know, whether a guy is

716
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: just bad in that category or whether just those extra

717
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: few feet of distance that the ball doesn't travel in

718
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: lone depot park makes a huge difference for someone that

719
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: if you bring him in he's pitching super high leverage innings.

720
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I think I got the wrong idea from him, just

721
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: from like following Philly's twitter. There were a couple of

722
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: games I think that he really did shit the bed,

723
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: But like, overall overall, who was all right for them?

724
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: After he was as you mentioned, he was pretty excellent

725
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: for the Rangers. Whatever other pitchers you got, we could

726
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: probably run through them right now.

727
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: Those were the only three that I thought made any

728
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: semblance of sense. I looked at a guy like Jose

729
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: Alvarez was a name that I thought made sense just

730
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: to give us another lefty out of the bullpen. And

731
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, ever since he came up with

732
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: Detroit back in I believe it was twenty fourteen or

733
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, I always thought, you know, he was not

734
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: you know, he never had overpowering stuff, but he kind

735
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: of got it done with like a low nineties fastball

736
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: and a good slider and a good changeup. And then

737
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: we saw what he did for in San Francisco this year,

738
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: and he was arguably their best reliever. You know, he

739
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: had an yarra below two, and he did it while

740
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: making a million and a half dollars this year. There's

741
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 3: a team option for twenty twenty two, so I'm pretty

742
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: sure San Francisco is going to pick that up. But

743
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: if in some case they decline that, I'm kind of

744
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: hoping that the Marlins would give him a call, you

745
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: have his agent a call, because like I said, you know,

746
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: he's got a track record of not being an amazing picture.

747
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: But over the last couple of years has been among

748
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: the more under the radar relievers in the sport. So

749
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: I mean that's a guy who can make sense should

750
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: San Francisco decline that deal. But uh yeah, if you want,

751
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: we can. If you have any other pictures, we can

752
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: get into those where we can move on to position

753
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: players because a lot of guys.

754
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good time to transition to the bats.

755
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: That's so what I think a lot of people will

756
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: tuned in to hear about how we're gonna address that.

757
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Just to re said, it's Lewis Addie oss Eli Sussman

758
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: for asle two of Marlin's off season shopping players this

759
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: past season that produced between one point one and two

760
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: wins above replacement as we work our way up to

761
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: the biggest fish. But we got some interesting names here.

762
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've so the one that this is the

763
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: one that has been in my head like since probably September,

764
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: has been Tommy fam Yeah, recently, most recently the Padres.

765
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: He's had a couple of huge years in his career,

766
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: once with the Cardinals and then with the Rays, and

767
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: ever since the Race trade him to San Diego, you know,

768
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: there's been glimpses of the guy that we know, but

769
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: for the most part, he actually he disappointed, i'd say,

770
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years with them, and this

771
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: past season got off to a pretty decent start, but

772
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: then really faded down the stretch, and so the overall

773
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: numbers aren't that great. That's why he's in this aisle too,

774
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: because only one point four war from him. There's a

775
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: lot we could say about him, but just sticks out

776
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: the most is that he walks. He walks a lot,

777
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and every single year throughout his career he walks, and

778
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: he combines walks with really good at like the athleticism.

779
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: He hits the ball hard, and he still runs the

780
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: bases really aggressively and at the center. That is just

781
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he's patient enough to work deep counts

782
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: and to get on base. And that's one thing that

783
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: Marlins desperately need more guys that work deep counts gonna base.

784
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: For anybody that doesn't know he is an outfielder, he's

785
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: he's deep enough in his thirties that you question how

786
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: much he could really give you in center field, but

787
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: he has played all three those outfield positions before he

788
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: could at least vacant in center field where the Marlins

789
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: have a big void.

790
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: Grab ball down the first pace sides of fair ball

791
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 5: Matchado coming around from second to score, petting to second

792
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: let RBI double goes, Tommy Fam and the Podres have

793
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: a two run late on top seven to five.

794
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: Tommy Fam got feet on that pitch, he got jammed,

795
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: but he fights this one off down by the label

796
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: opposite way, just out of the red jump Moncie.

797
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: He had some interesting comments I believe out there that

798
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: made it pretty adamant that he wants to do a

799
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: one year Pillow contract to kind of re establish himself.

800
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: That can make sense, or maybe he softens on that.

801
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Stanton is willing to kind of accept more of a

802
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: fourth outfielder, not sure fire starter, a more malleable role.

803
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I think either way, the Marlins should look into that

804
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: fit as much as possible because coming off the season

805
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: he has he should be in the press range and

806
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: he does some things that they really desperately need.

807
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he, him and the next person that I'll mention

808
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: are kind of similar. Albeit the next person has a

809
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: slightly bigger track record of sustained success. But I mean

810
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: he played a fan played. I believe it was one

811
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty three hundred and fifty five games this year,

812
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: and while the slug was below four hundred, like you said,

813
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: he walks, he had a three forty on base so

814
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: he's still finished with an OPS slightly north of seven

815
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: to ten. And you know, one h three ops plus.

816
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: It's not you know, you're not gonna win any awards

817
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: with that, But for a guy who may at worse

818
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: be a fourth outfielder, you know you can do a

819
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: lot worse he hit for I mean, we've seen in

820
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 3: the past that if you put him in the corner

821
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: outfield spot, you put him in left field, he can

822
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: and he's shown at times in Saint Louis and in

823
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay he can play Gold Glove caliber defense in

824
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: those corner outfield positions. And that's for a guy too

825
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: playing with a certainly reconstructed eye. I don't know if

826
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: you ever heard that story about that in the minor leagues,

827
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: he had a procedure because he's I believe he's legally

828
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: blind in one of his eyes. If I'm not one

829
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: hundred percent of wastinken. And you know, it's just almost

830
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: like what we said with Grank you with a lot

831
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: of the adversities that he had faced. You know, it's

832
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: a testament to guys determination like Fam and Granky two

833
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: be able to perform at the levels that they have

834
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: for structures of the career despite these adversities. Yeah. I

835
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: mean I had him on my list too as a

836
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: guy that I thought made sense for us. I thought,

837
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 3: if Garrett Cooper is just going to continue to get hurt,

838
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: then you know, we need somebody who can play right field,

839
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: especially because I don't even think J. J. Buday is

840
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: going to correct the big ly roster at any point

841
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two unless he just comes out, you know,

842
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: guns a blazing into in the minor leagues because obviously

843
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: there's concerns there. The next guy that I kind of

844
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: prefaced as being slightly similar to him as far as

845
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: where he's at in his career and age and just

846
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: overall performance last year. And listen, he's played on the

847
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: East Coast for a majority of his career. I know

848
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: I've referenced that for some of these guys he's from,

849
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: for Meat Florida, he played with Pittsburgh, you know who

850
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: I'm talking about it. Yeah, we got another reduction.

851
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew mccushon go ahead, And.

852
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: It's literally the same thing with Tommy fam despite the

853
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: fact that we've seen that while he was in Philadelphia,

854
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: the defense is just never going to research. He's kind

855
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: of been one of those guys who was because of

856
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: his athleticism, was kind of touted as a good defender.

857
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: But history has shown us you look at defensive run sage,

858
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: you look at total zone McCutcheon, it's kind of been

859
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: a below average defender for the majority of his career.

860
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: But it's the same thing with Fam. His plate discipline

861
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: is excellent. He had eighty one walks in less than

862
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: five hundred plate appearances this year. He had a four

863
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: to forty four slug so he's obviously still able to

864
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: hit the ball out of the ballpark. You know, he's

865
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: not sec a five hundred, but he had a three

866
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: thirty four on base, which makes a two twenty two

867
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: adding average look a little bit better. It's so funny though,

868
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he was literally one point away from having

869
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: one of the most fascinating triple slash lines I'd ever seen,

870
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: like the like the trifecta slash line. He hit two

871
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 3: twenty two three point thirty four and slug four forty four.

872
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: If only his OVP was one point lower, that would

873
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: have been a fascinating two three four kind of slash line.

874
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: But that being said, like I wouldn't even expect a

875
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: guy like that to play every day. But you know,

876
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: if Andrew McCutcheon's coming off the bench that he's gonna

877
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: he could draw a late walk for you, and he

878
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: could have the potential to hit a big home run

879
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: for you. And you know what, Like he didn't really

880
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: equate the if you look at fanggrats value to dollars

881
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: as far as how they equate war to to money,

882
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: he didn't necessarily equal to fifty one million that the

883
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: Phillies gave him. But there's been, you know, contracts of

884
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: that link that have been a lot worse. And I

885
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: thought he was among the better corner rack hillders in

886
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: baseball before he got hurt in LA twenty nineteen on

887
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: that play when he was tagging up from first base.

888
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, like, I've always been a

889
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: McCutcheon fan. He's one of my favorite people in baseball.

890
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: I think he's you know, he's he's funny. He had

891
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: twenty seven home runs last year. So I mean, like

892
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: clearly he still has something in there. If there's a

893
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 3: DH in the National League, depending on what the CBA states,

894
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: that would further make what he would do even more exciting.

895
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: I you know, he obviously he's played in He's played

896
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: in New York, he's played in Pittsburgh, He's played in

897
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: and he's played in Philadelphia, so he knows the East

898
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: Coast central part of the of the MLB. I love

899
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: interw McCutcheon. I mean, even if he's not playing every day,

900
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: I still think he'd be an excellent edition of our team.

901
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I wrote down was a quiet twenty seven

902
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: home runs. I did not realize that it was at high.

903
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: It was the third highest home runs total of his

904
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: career for someone that has had an awesome long career

905
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: and for that or very much there, I as you

906
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: referred to just a plus plus plus human being and

907
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: like ambassador for your team. He does actually draw people

908
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: to your organization for sure. But that kind of personality

909
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: that he has, the big question with him is whether

910
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: he's actually available or not. Because he does have a

911
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: club option for next year that's fifteen million or it's

912
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: a three million dollar buyout and so I'm really curious

913
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: is whether the Phillies picked that up. They have a

914
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: lot of big deals, which I think probably if it's

915
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: a guess, I'd say they turn it down. But maybe

916
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: they worked out a smaller deal if he really liked

917
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: being there, because I don't think the Marlins pay him

918
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: fifteen million a year or anybody else, but maybe half

919
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: of that at least. So it'll be really curious to

920
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: be totally sure whether he's available or not fully, but

921
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm hoping so for sure, Yeah, Cross, Yeah, let me

922
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: go to I'll stick with one more. I'll go to

923
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: a trade candidate then one that is guess. He's primarily

924
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: an outfielder as his career has gone on, although he's

925
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: played a lot of both both infield and outfield. And

926
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: it's another guy that really it circled him last offseason

927
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: as someone that I thought made so much sense for

928
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: the Marlins, and now he's definitely available and we'll see

929
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: whether they can match up. It would be Ian half

930
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: of the Cubs.

931
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you were going to go tell Marque

932
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: because of where he fell, Well.

933
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Gets him, We'll get to him, he was. Yeah, we'll

934
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: build up to him for sure. With Ian Halp. He's

935
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: been with the Cubs his entire career. He's one of

936
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the youngest guys that we're going to talk about. He's

937
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: only going into his age twenty seventh season and he

938
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: has two more years of club control left. We wouldn't

939
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: want to put too many trade candidates on here, just

940
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: because we don't know exactly how available they are both him.

941
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: He's on the Cubs, and the Cubs were very clear

942
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: with the direction of the organization at the deadline last year.

943
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: I think they'll make just about anybody available for the

944
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: right offer. And he had got off to such a

945
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: terrible start this year for the first third of the

946
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: year almost where he was one of the worst hitters

947
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: in baseball. He wasn't hitting and tapping into any of

948
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: his power, and his power is kind of what got

949
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: me really interested in him in the first place. He

950
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: absolutely caught on fire right after the trade deadline, when

951
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: kind of by default, they had to make him an

952
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: everyday starter again. They didn't have anybody else to play

953
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: with the Cubs after all their deadline moves, So he

954
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: played a whole lot of outfield last year. Let me

955
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: get like the full breakdown, but he has plenty of

956
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: experience at second base, a little bit of experience at

957
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: third base, and experience at all three of those outfield positions.

958
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of up for debate exactly how

959
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: good he is defensively. But for him, it's about the

960
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: versatility and it's about the bat when he's going right.

961
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, entering this year, he had a career ops

962
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: over eight hundred, and he finished this year with a

963
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: seven fifty seven after getting really hot down the stretch.

964
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Twenty five home runs this year, and that's kind of

965
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: the rate he's been at in his career. Like you

966
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: pro rated over a full season he hits, he's gonna

967
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: you twenty plus home runs if you get him anything

968
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: close to every day playing time. So he's a switch

969
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: hitter too, and he's had some spouts in his career

970
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: where he's been a lot better from one side or

971
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: the other. And I mean, this past year just really streaky.

972
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, I thought he'd be someone that wasn't in

973
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: this aisle. I thought he would definitely be more productive

974
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: if he got every day playing time. But he's someone

975
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: that he's still arbitration eligible. He's not going to be

976
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: super expensive and multiple years of control for a team

977
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: that absolutely is in in cell mode. So I like

978
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: his power. The big flaw with him is the strikeouts

979
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: at times really unmanageable. He has a versatility, and I'm

980
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: in for a team that's just so desperate for bats

981
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: to get someone that even if you want to be

982
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: really critical, he's an above average hitter. Every single year

983
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: of his career he's finished at least above average and

984
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: OPS plus. And that's that's a pretty nice floor to

985
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: have when you look at most of this roster and

986
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: you just cross aers that some of these guys can

987
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: be an average hitter at the very least, he's going

988
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: to give you something. So they sends a couple young

989
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: pitchers to the Cubs for him. I really I like

990
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: the fit because it's so easy to fit a guy

991
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: like that when he plays all those different positions.

992
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a poor man's Chris Taylor and even poorer

993
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: man's Ben Zobrist as far as you know, if if

994
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: you get anything out of a guy who's main appearances

995
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: at seven or six different positions over the course of

996
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: his career, you know, excluding the one inning that he pitched.

997
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: Although he does have a career zero era. So if

998
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: we ever get in a pinch, we've got somebody we

999
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: could throw in the mound. He you know, you know,

1000
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: if you're getting twenty home run out of a guy

1001
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: who's going to make starts for every outfield spot, he

1002
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: could play a little second base, a little infield, or

1003
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: little third base. I know he played some shortstop of

1004
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: the minor leagues. He was listed on prospect lists back

1005
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen as a short as a

1006
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: second basement center fielder. The swinging mess is a problem,

1007
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: although he does balance it with a decent on base

1008
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: percentage for a guy who's for as low abouting average

1009
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: as he does. I mean, he's not Adam Dunn hitting

1010
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: two hundred with a three seventy three eighty on base.

1011
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: But if you're playing that many positions, you kind of

1012
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: can get away with a little bit of that because

1013
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: you're giving guys days. And you know, like if you know,

1014
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: best cut scenario, hits thirty home runs for us and

1015
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: he plays, you know, a little bit of first base,

1016
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: second third, and he'll get maybe ten to twenty starts

1017
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: in the center field throughout the season. And I'm sure

1018
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: the Martins will be thrilled with that. But you know,

1019
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: it's a risk with a guy like this because you're

1020
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: taking him from a ballpark in Chicago, which you know

1021
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: the wind's blowing out. You're gonna you know, you're gonna

1022
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: have some some home run derbys in Wrigley Field, Whereas

1023
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: if you bring in to Miami, where the roof's gonna

1024
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: be closed most of the time, you know you'll hit

1025
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: one to the warning truck. And I don't mess with

1026
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: you mentally when you're not hitting as many home runs here.

1027
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: Well, he did very memorably he hit that first home

1028
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: run on opening Day in twenty eighteen. If you're right

1029
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: there and yet so open the new era of Marlins baseball,

1030
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: I'll always remember for that one.

1031
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: So that seems almost you know, that's almost like some

1032
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: form of symbolism. Maybe he could be a piece that

1033
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: helps us. I like him a lot. Again, the concerns

1034
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: that you levied are merited, because you know, for a

1035
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: team that doesn't have a lot of patient hitters the

1036
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: way that we don't, it's you know, one thing to

1037
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: bring another guy on whose propensity for the strikeout is.

1038
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: You know, if he was really very'd be great. If

1039
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: he's striking out that often, but he's yeah, I don't know.

1040
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: I mean, like the upside is still very much there

1041
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: because we've seen in the past that he is capable

1042
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: of being, you know, a very good hitter. The question

1043
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: of whether or not he would that would translate into Miami,

1044
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: you know, I guess we would have to trade for

1045
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: him first to see. I wouldn't be opposed to it, although,

1046
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: like you said, there is some question marks that hang

1047
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: over him for sure. If you want to go for

1048
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: a guy that I think is going to put the

1049
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: ball in play a little bit more and meets that

1050
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: criteria of being able to, you know, where a couple

1051
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: of different gloves through of the season. How about a

1052
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: guy who knows, you know, the National League East, he

1053
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: knows Pittsburgh, Josh Harrison, a former team Andrew mccutcheons who

1054
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years he's been a slightly

1055
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: above average hitter. Again after as twenty nineteen an abbreviated

1056
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, or Detroit where you know they brought on

1057
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: him guys like him and Jordi Mercer and you're like, wow,

1058
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: like he's got nothing left. I believe you'd like an

1059
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: ops plus that year of twenty nine, and you're starting

1060
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: to think like, yeah, like this guy's probably done. But

1061
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: then you know, he goes over to he signs that

1062
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: two year deal with Washington. He plays well last year,

1063
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: he plays well this year. You know, we thought twenty

1064
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: twenty was a fluke for a lot of people. Give

1065
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: him the brevity of the season, and he, you know,

1066
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: finished this year with a four hundred slug He had

1067
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: a seven to forty one ops and you know he's

1068
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: doing that while playing second base, shortstop. He can play

1069
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 3: the corner routefield spots. I believe he's got some time

1070
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: in centerfield. I know he's played third base at some

1071
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: points in his career, and for all intentsive purposes, he's

1072
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: been averaged to slightly above average at times at a

1073
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: myriad of positions, which it's you know, not surprising because

1074
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: he has a tracker of success. We know he's a

1075
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: former roll star. I mean, he put up to two

1076
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: Baseball Reference War this year for a guy who wasn't

1077
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: always an everyday player. And you know, we don't know.

1078
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: John Birdie got hurt around June July and we didn't

1079
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: see him again for the rest of the season, so

1080
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: the Marlins don't really have that utility guy. Yeah, you'd

1081
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: want to maybe get a guy who has the propensity

1082
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 3: to hit home runs a little bit more. But Josh

1083
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 3: Harrison's not omar Vis scale, you know. I think he's

1084
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: gonna hit his fair share of home runs, maybe whether

1085
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: that's seven to ten, but that's seven to ten home

1086
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: runs we wouldn't have gotten from a guy like Birdie,

1087
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: whose powers almost non existent. I'm a big Josh Harrison guy.

1088
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: I like his flair. I like, you know, the ability

1089
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: for him to put the ball play a little bit

1090
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: more than guys like Half and and such. But yeah,

1091
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, in a couple of weeks, I'll

1092
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: probably be talking about Chris Taylor because I think he's

1093
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: like our dream, He's our our white whale as far

1094
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: as position players beyond Castillanos that I'd love to see

1095
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: next year, but you know, Josh Harrison would be He's

1096
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: a great clubhouse guy, and then he would just be

1097
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: a great, like accessory piece to what would be another

1098
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: great would just be a great team altogether. If he's

1099
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: even there too, be even better.

1100
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're really aligned well on this because I think

1101
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: not even including kateel Marte officially already three guys we've

1102
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: covered that we're on both of our lists severally. Harrison

1103
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: was for me. Something I've mentioned on the last pot

1104
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: is just the importance in particular of having kind of

1105
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: four guys for three spots between second base, shortstop, and

1106
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: third base that you really like that can actually hit

1107
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: and down the stretch. With Oakland, his main two positions,

1108
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: we're second base and third base. You mentioned like he

1109
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: does play a lot of other positions, but he's probably

1110
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: an infielder for primarily moving forward. And I think if

1111
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: you want to talk about particular positions that I'd for

1112
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: the team to fill this offseason, those would be the

1113
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: ones to make sure that you have a backup plan

1114
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: in case something goes haywire with Brian Anderson's rehab, or

1115
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: in case with Jazz and all the routine mistakes he

1116
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: made at second basis past year, if that continues for

1117
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: whatever reason, or if, as any young player, if he

1118
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: takes a step back, you want to have a solid

1119
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: insurance plan that is, among all other things, is a

1120
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: pretty reliable bat. He has his limitations, but he has

1121
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: more often than not he does hit well, and I

1122
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: think you trust. Even you brought up Bertie, and I

1123
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: think that's the perfect guy to bring up in relation

1124
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: to him, where I think if everything goes right, Bertie

1125
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: could be an even better player. But the biggest question

1126
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: with him is his hit tool, and with Harrison it's

1127
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of the opposite, like that's one thing that you

1128
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: know he does pretty well and they can't take that

1129
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: for granted because of the limitations that this team has

1130
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: another utility guy. I wanted to stick in here kind

1131
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: of as a homage to somebody else at Fishtraps, our intern,

1132
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Barrald. He's been, for whatever reason, he has been

1133
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: mentioning repeatedly that the Marlins should go after Larry Garcia

1134
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: of the White Sox. He's been with the White Sox

1135
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: for a bunch of years now, produced two point zero

1136
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: Baseball Reference War this past year, so one of his

1137
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: better years, and he early in his career. I kind

1138
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: of need to include myself in this where I think

1139
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: early in his career he was so bad offensively that

1140
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people rode him off. But if you

1141
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: look at the last four years, every single year, the

1142
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: last five years, every year he hits two seventy two

1143
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: seventy one, two seventy nine, two seventy one, two sixty seven,

1144
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: and some years it's a really hollow to seventy, but

1145
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: other years it's it's a little bit better than that.

1146
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: So he is bad, has come along a long way

1147
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: as some of the other guys we've mentioned. He plays

1148
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: pretty much every single position on the infields and the outfields.

1149
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: He's probably a better runner than the past couple of

1150
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: guys that we mentioned as well, and he's now gotten

1151
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: the taste of playing with some good teams.

1152
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

1153
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's not somebody personally that I'm super familiar with

1154
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't like back up the brink struck for him.

1155
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever his contract is looking at, but

1156
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: he is a little younger than certainly Josh Harrison or

1157
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: most of these other free agency's gonna be thirty one

1158
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: right before the start of next season, and he seems

1159
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: to be well liked among that community as a person

1160
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: off the field, So not much power in fir his career.

1161
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: He just has really interesting tendencies of being somebody that

1162
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: knows how to find the holes that he is. He

1163
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: gets a whole lot of singles, even if the peripheral

1164
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: stats don't back it up. He's pesky, he's versatile. But

1165
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention him just because of Kevin, our intern,

1166
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: who really loves him. I wanted to throw his name

1167
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: out there as somebody that fits in this general Mold's

1168
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: coming off a pretty good year, and I guess if

1169
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: you go down the list, he's somebody they should at

1170
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: least take a close look at it and see whether

1171
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: or not this is sustainable.

1172
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wouldn't be expensive. He's coming off a two year,

1173
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: six point seventy five million dollars deal in Chicago after

1174
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: being there now for parts of nine seasons, so he

1175
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: was there for some lean years and last couple of

1176
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: years now, he's been there for some of the better

1177
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: baseball that they've played, you know, and since maybe the

1178
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: early to mid two thousands when they were when they

1179
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: won the World Series. Not like too keen on him

1180
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: just because his career OPS is literally six sixty six.

1181
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: It's not like he doesn't have a long track record

1182
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: of hitting for power. His slug is under four hundred.

1183
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: But you know, it's another example of I mean, I personally,

1184
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: I think he's like, if we're going on this list,

1185
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: of utility guys that have a stronger hit tool. You know,

1186
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: you're looking at maybe a hierarchy of the guy like Taylor,

1187
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: and then you're looking at a guy like you know Hap,

1188
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: and then you're looking at a guy like Josh Harrison.

1189
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 3: You could flip flop Harrison hat. And then below you're

1190
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: looking at a guy with Laris Garcia. So if all

1191
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: those guys were to get jobs before and we still

1192
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: see Lari garcias on the free agent market, then I

1193
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: think maybe you give him a call, because yeah, he

1194
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: he's one of those rare types who, like could to

1195
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: tell Marte can possess the ability to play center field,

1196
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: he can play shortstop, he can he's played essentially every position.

1197
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 3: He's even pitched a couple of times for the White Sox, although, like,

1198
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: what does that mean nowadays when there's so many blowouts

1199
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: and the way that teams are tanking, So the better

1200
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: teams are going to win ten to nothing more often

1201
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: than not. But you know, like I said, he's a

1202
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: fourth tier option in that avenue of players who can

1203
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: move around across the field. Not the worst option, but

1204
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: of those four, he's probably the lesser of the four agreed,

1205
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: So the first then if you want to move on

1206
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: and stay in the infield. Although we taught primarily outfielders

1207
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: of the Harrison, you know what half of their experience

1208
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: playing the infield. A guy that I thought made sense,

1209
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: he and I said, could kind of be like, are

1210
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: out of Duval, though, I think maybe you're gonna get

1211
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: a little bit more consistent offense. But I could be wrong.

1212
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Seeger, I don't think he's gonna leave the American League.

1213
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: I think he'll probably stay just because he's entering his

1214
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: mid thirties. But you know, the peripherals aren't like great

1215
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: he hit you know, he only hit two twelve, but

1216
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: he hit a career best thirty five home runs. He

1217
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: had two eighty five on base, which is where the

1218
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: Duval comparison kind of like irrupts in my brain where

1219
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: it's just like, yeah, he's wasn't really walking a lot,

1220
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: but he played so many games. He's a guy that

1221
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: has the neck to playing nearly every day that you know,

1222
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: he would you walk more than fifty pounds this year,

1223
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: which is not nothing, but when you're playing one hundred

1224
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: and sixty plus games or it's almost He's a guy

1225
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: that almost never really takes days off. You know, that'll

1226
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: start to affect the on base percentage, and at least

1227
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: in that sense that he's always out there, he's durable.

1228
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: He's lugged for thirty eight, which for over the course

1229
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: of the season in Seattle, you know, isn't you know

1230
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: that's pretty good. You know, the power is obviously still there.

1231
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: I think the defense has the defense has gone down

1232
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: slightly over the past couple of years. I know, the

1233
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: last two years he's rated slightly below average and drs,

1234
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: but it's negative three runs, which I don't think is

1235
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: something that would hurt us too much. And he doesn't

1236
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: really even have to play every day. I mean, personally,

1237
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: I've been speculating he's gonna wind up somewhere like Philadelphia

1238
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: because Alec Bohm's glove is you know, him at third

1239
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: bases just doesn't work there. And I think Reeze Hoskins

1240
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: has probably overstated as welcome where he's just you know,

1241
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: he's a DH in the waiting. But I mean, Seeger

1242
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: again is a guy who we talk about Brian Anderson,

1243
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: who's got you know, I would say tools in the

1244
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: world to be maybe a consistent twenty home run guy

1245
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: with great defense at third base if he's healthy consistently,

1246
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: Kyle sears at least a guy you know is going

1247
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: to be out there ninety eight percent of the time.

1248
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: Whereas you don't have that guarantee with Anderson because it's

1249
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: not two years where his seasons have ended prematurely due

1250
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: an injury. But you know, he I think he's got

1251
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: a long track record. If he's got one of he's

1252
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: gonna be one of those forty war players that we're

1253
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: gonna like forget about in a couple of years after

1254
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: he retires, where he's just a quiet you know, his

1255
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: brother obviously we know his brother's excellent player too, so

1256
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: it kind of runs in the family just to be

1257
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: consistently good players. But I, you know, to inject some

1258
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: more home runs into that lineup, Kyle see Er, you know,

1259
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: sign me up for a year or two, you know,

1260
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: low aav I wouldn't be opposed to that.

1261
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: Eleven major league seasons and one time on the injury list,

1262
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: like one injury in eleven years is especially with how

1263
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: injuries are managed these days, like they put you on

1264
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: they preemptively put you on the aisle for things that

1265
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: don't even exist. And he has been if nothing else,

1266
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: he's been out there. He's been durable. He's interesting. But

1267
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: we alluded to this guy already a few times, so

1268
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: let's get into Kettel Marte. We were not to fines

1269
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: in this aisle.

1270
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: He is.

1271
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: He is on sale. I guess well, we'll have to

1272
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: find out whether he's actually available at a reasonable price

1273
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: because he's not a free agent. Of course, he's on

1274
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, and he is. When he's been healthy, he's

1275
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: been one of the best players in baseball. He's got

1276
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: three more years of control, one more guaranteed, and then

1277
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: two more team options. At the end, he was like

1278
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: he was on an MVP trajectory after one week this season.

1279
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: He was amazing in that first week, and then he

1280
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: got hurt with a hamstring injury and that kept him

1281
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: off the fields for various times through almost half the year.

1282
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: He missed almost half the year with this nagging hamstring injury.

1283
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: In between, he slashed three eighteen, three, seventy seven, five

1284
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: thirty two while splitting time at center field and second base.

1285
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: One of the few guys in his career that has

1286
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: played significant time both in the middle endfield and center

1287
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: field as an everyday player. It's one thing to do

1288
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: that as a utility guy, but he has been in

1289
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: both of those positions for significant chunks of time. At

1290
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: his peak twenty nineteen. I don't know if people remember this,

1291
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: he finished fourth in MVP voting in National League MVP

1292
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: voting during the previous full season. It wasn't that long ago,

1293
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and even now he just turned twenty

1294
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: eight years old, you know, theoretically, right in that sweet

1295
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: spot of his agent curve where he'd won him The

1296
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks lost about two hundred games last year, and so

1297
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: they're in a position where, even though people expect them

1298
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: to bounce back to some extents, nobody is off limits.

1299
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: Deals could be made, and these teams have done deals before,

1300
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: which is kind of why I'm mentioning him in the

1301
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: first place, just because we have this now, we have

1302
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: this pipeline of this Marlins and during this from Marlins

1303
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: rebuild of making trades with the Diamondbacks. Of course, just

1304
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago Gallon and Jazz, then just

1305
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: one year ago with Starling Marte from the Diamondbacks. These

1306
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: front offices they worked well together. Marlins have won those

1307
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: farm systems that have enough presumably to get him if

1308
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: they really wanted to, if they believe he's a missing piece.

1309
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: The fact that he has played center field so much

1310
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: in his career, we know that's a huge void for

1311
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: the Marlins, and that he has that first fatility play

1312
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: in the middle endfield. For those potential questions that I

1313
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: have about Jazz and Mickey Rowe as full time players,

1314
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: one thing I forget if we mentioned this directly on

1315
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: the pot I think we mentioned it right after recording

1316
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: the pod last time, is about how poorly he rated

1317
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: as a defensive center fielder this past year. That's why

1318
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: his value fell to this bracket despite his great hitting.

1319
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: What do you think about that idea of him as

1320
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: a center fielder moving forward or is that or is

1321
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: he kind of passed that phase?

1322
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: That was the point I was about to bring up

1323
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: to you, But I'm glad you posed the quandra to

1324
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: me because I'm you know, ever since he came up

1325
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: in Seattle, I thought, you know, like at first, I

1326
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, like he learned a lot from

1327
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 3: the tutelaged Robbins and Cano. You know, it was kind

1328
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: of talked about in nauseum about how close they were

1329
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: when he was a young big leagueer with the Mariners,

1330
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: and then you know, he kind of went to Arizona

1331
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 3: and slowly ascended to one of the better players in

1332
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: the sport. I was looking at him the other day

1333
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 3: when we were you know, when I was getting ready

1334
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: to do the show, and I was kind of taken

1335
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: aback at how poorly he was. He put up negative

1336
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: fifteen drs in centerfield last year, I believe or minus

1337
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: believe was minus thirteen. But I'll double check that is

1338
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: negative fifteen drs, which is not good.

1339
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean you and for somebody that, as we said,

1340
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: missed almost half the year with injury. In that small sample,

1341
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: it's almost unheard of too.

1342
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: So in a sense it could benefit the Marlins as

1343
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: to like, yeah, his value maybe down. He is a

1344
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 3: guy that I think really like because he's not gonna,

1345
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, he's not gonna hit to the level that

1346
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: he did in twenty nineteen every year. And I think

1347
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: I was having a conversation with somebody about this the

1348
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: other day. Every player has a ceiling, and that ceiling

1349
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: isn't you know. It's very seldom that a.

1350
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 6: Guy like Ruth or Bond or you know, Williams or

1351
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 6: you know, name a slew of Some of the greatest

1352
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 6: hitters of all time have a ceiling sustainable of you know, seven, eight,

1353
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 6: sometimes even ten years if you're lucky.

1354
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: Marte's value comes more from being a you know, an

1355
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 3: above average hitter who possesses that ability to move around.

1356
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 3: While you know he's hitting for power, he's you know,

1357
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 3: he's doing a lot on the offensive side of the ball,

1358
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 3: all while playing premium defensive positions. Like you outlined, I

1359
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: kind of I wouldn't want him to be our everyday centerfielder.

1360
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: I still think that if you sign a guy, if

1361
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 3: you trade for a guy that gets El Marte, you're

1362
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: still open to sign a veteran outfielder because I don't

1363
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: want him there every day. Granted, he was injured for

1364
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: a majority of this season. He didn't play a full

1365
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: chunk of games, so you can maybe take those metrics

1366
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: with a grain of salt. But we've seen in the

1367
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: past that he hasn't always been an excellent defensive center fielder.

1368
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: I personally think he's better served as a second base

1369
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: because though it's really where his defense looks better if

1370
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 3: you can kind of move him around from second and

1371
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: short because the defensive metrics are a lot kinder to

1372
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: him there, But I don't know, I mean, like it's

1373
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: it's such an alluring thing because his offense, we've seen it,

1374
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: and even in the small sample size of the postseason,

1375
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: which is obviously a place most Marlin fans would like

1376
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: to see us. He he hits and the bat is

1377
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: the most attractive thing about him. I mean for a

1378
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: middle infielder center fielder type. He's got a career isolated

1379
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 3: power one sixty nine, which isn't that great. I mean,

1380
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: the league average since he's been in the league is

1381
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 3: one sixty six, but it's better than league average, and

1382
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 3: he does that while I'm not striking out a lot.

1383
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: He's got a career fourteen point nine p K. You know,

1384
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: he's got decent power for a guy who plays a

1385
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: lot of second base. But then again, it's just like

1386
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: you know, Jazz Chisholm didn't exactly he didn't miss a

1387
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: point fully, but he left a lot to be desired

1388
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: in the way of approach as far as how he

1389
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 3: kind of handled as that bats as the season went on.

1390
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, Marte's stock is down, so may now

1391
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 3: may be the better time. There may never be a

1392
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: better time because say he goes down, has another great year,

1393
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: and you know, you move to twenty twenty three, he's

1394
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 3: still got two years of control, and that's you know,

1395
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: a team's looking at possibly three hundred plus games with

1396
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 3: Hotel Marte, who you know rebounded greatly in twenty twenty two,

1397
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 3: And this is little hypothetical, but he'd be even more expensive,

1398
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: So I guess you want to strike now while he's

1399
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 3: a little cheaper, right, he still have some questions, especially

1400
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 3: considering the defense, even if the one year you know

1401
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: where he wasn't healthy played slightly into those outcomes. But again,

1402
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: it's just the it's just the offensive production that makes

1403
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: him such an attractive piece.

1404
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just to put it pretty blunt, he's

1405
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of at that level where you kind of get

1406
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: if you have an opportunity to get him at what

1407
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: you consider a reasonable value without depleting the entire pharm system,

1408
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: then you do it. And you worry about someone like

1409
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: Jazz later, Like he's someone that would be a higher

1410
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: priority than Jazz, which I guess at some times this

1411
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: year was hard to think was possible. But he has

1412
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: that track record now, especially over like the last three

1413
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: seasons combined, you combine like the last three seasons, and

1414
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: he's just an incredible hitter. He's one of the best

1415
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: hitters in baseball, and he does it while playing up

1416
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: the middle. And he has this, as I mentioned, this

1417
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: pretty amazing contract where it's eight and a half million

1418
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: next year, it's eight million team option in twenty twenty three,

1419
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: and then it shoots up to ten million in twenty

1420
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: twenty four. And that's I say that kind of sarcastically.

1421
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: If it's ten million for this guy in twenty twenty four,

1422
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: for that's such an incredible bargain. If he simply is

1423
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: mostly healthy, if he's like still anywhere close to the

1424
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: performance that he's shown right now, he's the most impactful

1425
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: position player, a more impactful position but than anybody they've

1426
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: had over these last four seasons since since the rebuild started.

1427
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: So with him, he's kind of like, if you have

1428
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get him, you get him, and then

1429
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 1: worry about all the other how everybody else is affected

1430
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: at a later time. I think your questions about him

1431
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: in center field are pretty valid. And even if he

1432
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: can't plug that hole in center field and you don't

1433
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: feel they have a hole at second base. He's such

1434
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: a big upgrade at second base over any as much

1435
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: as we dream about Jazz, you know, the ceiling that

1436
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: Jazz has looks something close to Marte, But I don't think.

1437
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: I think if you were to be realistic about it,

1438
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: that Marte is going to be that better player. He's

1439
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: the guy that really does move the needle so regardless

1440
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: of what position he does play, just because of what

1441
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: he does offensively as that switch hitter that hits for

1442
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: good power that when he's healthy, he's a good base

1443
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: runner that I think you even undersold his contact skills,

1444
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: elite contact skills. It's like Miguel Rojas like contact skills,

1445
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: except with more impact behind it. Yeah, I like him

1446
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: a lot. As we get later into the series, we'll

1447
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about guys that are even higher priorities than Marte is.

1448
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: But certainly among the players that we've mentioned so far,

1449
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: he is the one that really does could pretty sizeably

1450
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: change the outlook that this team has, both for this

1451
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: coming season and then at least for two years beyond that.

1452
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: And if you want to tie things together, like a

1453
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: good episode of Curby Enthusiasm, you kind of just want to,

1454
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: like look at it this way, like tell Marte too.

1455
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 3: We noted he played second base in the centerfield, two

1456
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 3: premium defensive positions where historically, you know, obviously centerfield has

1457
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 3: a long, longer track record of offensive you know, titans

1458
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 3: in the context of the sport, and it's a long

1459
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: story history. But he is an above average defensive shortstop too.

1460
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: And I talked about this earlier with Miguel Rojas being

1461
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: the selfless kind of player that he is. If Brian

1462
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 3: Anderson's not one hundred percent healthy, and again we're all,

1463
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, we're posing hypotheticals. The affordability of Marte's contract

1464
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: and the fact that Miami only has guaranteed contracts for

1465
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 3: Rojas and Anthony Bass during the twenty twenty two season

1466
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 3: makes him an obvious fit if you like Jazz at

1467
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: second base, and I you know, I've had this conversation

1468
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: with people. The one thing that impressed me, despite the

1469
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: sometimes lacksadaisical nature of his defense, is the fact that overall,

1470
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: I think Jazz is a pretty good, albeit not perfect,

1471
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 3: defensive second basement. I think you make that middle infield

1472
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: even more scary if you kind of acquire Marte with

1473
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 3: the intent of making him your primary shortstop. We know,

1474
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 3: again we've had this discussion before. Rojas has experience that

1475
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: other positions. If you want to give Jazz days off,

1476
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: you want to give Anderson, you know, days off, or

1477
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 3: if he's just in the case that he's hurt, you

1478
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: could play him at third base and you wouldn't be

1479
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 3: concerned at all. I mean, if you remember, I know

1480
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: it was seven years ago, but Clayton Kershaw's no hitter

1481
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 3: was essentially saved by a Miguel Rojas third baseman. Miguel

1482
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 3: Rojas play that you know saved a run, uh, you know,

1483
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 3: a base hit from going against Kershaw, but you know Rojas.

1484
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 3: Rojas's ability to move around, and even a guy like

1485
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: Marte's affordability and his ability to move around makes him

1486
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 3: an even more attractive option. And it keeps Jazz at second,

1487
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: which is a position of strength. I don't think he's

1488
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 3: a shortstop long term, but I think Marta is an

1489
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: answer if the Marlins don't want to spend, you know,

1490
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 3: the one hundred plus million that it's going to take

1491
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 3: to bring on a guy like story Seeger and Korea,

1492
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 3: who's probably gonna get you know, three times one hundred

1493
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: million you know it kind of smart baseball in a

1494
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: sense of not breaking the bank but also getting a

1495
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: very good player. There's another infielder, though I wanted to

1496
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: talk about that isn't gonna command the dollars that any

1497
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 3: of these guys are, But he knows the analyast. I

1498
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 3: know I've said that ridiculously. I sound like a broken record.

1499
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 3: He was excellent this year in San Francisco. Wilmer Flores like,

1500
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: why not. I we talk about platoon splits, and I thought,

1501
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: Wilmer Flores, you know, we talked about Rojas's propensity to

1502
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 3: hit left handed pitching. Wilmer floor has is in that

1503
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 3: boat too this year against lefties, though it was only

1504
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 3: seventy four games two eighty eight, three thirty six, four

1505
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: sixty eight, so he's slug in nearly five hundred against lefties.

1506
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: He you know, he hit more home runs against right

1507
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: handed pitching, and that's gonna be the case. Obviously, there's

1508
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: more right handed pitchers in the sport. You're gonna get

1509
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: more looks, so you're gonna have more opportunities to do

1510
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 3: damage against them. But for the year, eighteen home runs

1511
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 3: and under five hundred played appearances, A four to forty

1512
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 3: seven slug He has twenty starts at at least three

1513
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 3: in field spots in twenty twenty one, third base, second base,

1514
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: and first. He's not gonna want to go love in

1515
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 3: any of those positions, but he's serviceable enough to where

1516
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 3: you're not gonna kind of have your hands over your

1517
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: head if if a balls.

1518
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 6: Hit his way.

1519
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 3: So and yeah, I you know, I've always thought Wilmar

1520
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: Flores was a slightly underappreciated player. I thought he turned

1521
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 3: into an adequate big leaguer, But we saw in San

1522
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 3: Francisco and even in Arizona he's got some power. And

1523
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: you know, power is the one thing that eludes to

1524
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: Marlins more than winning seasons do. But you know, Wilmer Flores,

1525
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 3: who I believe the Giants have a team option on him,

1526
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a bad option, especially in a platoon situation

1527
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 3: where he's getting a lot of time against lefties.

1528
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really a team friendly option. It's three

1529
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: point five million with him, so longer they'll take, they'll

1530
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: they'll definitely pick it up. But you're, yeah, I think

1531
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: it's fair to wonder whether they would consider trading him

1532
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: just because they have so many good position players. He's

1533
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: at a stage of his career where he can't get

1534
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: sent down to the make room for somebody else, and

1535
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: they they ready bringing back Brandon Crawford in the infields,

1536
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: and I think they're probably leaning towards working something out

1537
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: with Brandon Belts. There's only so many positions where they

1538
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: have at bats to go around. Yeah, so with him,

1539
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: I think realistically that'd have to be a trade idea,

1540
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: but a pretty good one with him, he's just an

1541
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: unusual blairer where from a very young age he's so slow.

1542
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: Even though I like his bad a lot, it's amazing

1543
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: like how slow he is for someone that played a

1544
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of in the middle infield. It's an unusual body type.

1545
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: And uh it's for it's a limitation and a skill set.

1546
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: As you said, he really offsets it by being a

1547
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: great hitter. He was well great, might be oversung it

1548
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: by being an above average hitter during his final few

1549
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: years of the Mets, and then ever since leaving the

1550
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: Mets he has kept that up. It's been it's gone

1551
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: really under the radar for him. One position that we

1552
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: have not touched on at all, and I have one

1553
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: player in mind for it, the most glaring need, I'd

1554
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: say for the scene moving forward, just catcher. And there's

1555
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: one guy that fits in this bracket that I'm intrigued by.

1556
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: Not a free agent, he'd be a trade candidate. Danny

1557
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: Jansen of the Blue Jays one point three Baseball Reference war.

1558
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: This past year, he didn't play a lot because he

1559
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: had similar to Ketel Marte, he had a hamstring injury.

1560
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: He came back, he aggravated it again, He missed more time,

1561
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: very quietly, he got off to a terrible start to

1562
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: the year, and then once he came back to the

1563
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: first time from that injury, from early July onward, he

1564
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: was like the best hitting catcher in baseball. There's a

1565
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: really small sample because of he reaggravated it again, so

1566
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: it's only like twenty eight games during the second half

1567
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: of the year where he was awesome. When he was

1568
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: in the lineup. He caught their most important games at

1569
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: the very end of the season. The main reason why

1570
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: I bring m up is because the Blue Jays are

1571
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: the anti Marlins. They have so many controllable bats that

1572
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: they love. They have some questions about their pitching, and

1573
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: in particular, they have a lot of catching depth they

1574
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: have other catchers that they love in their organization. They

1575
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: have Alejandro Kirk, the top prospect is Gabriel Moreno, who

1576
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: is pretty close to being big league ready, so they

1577
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: have I believe there would definitely be a willingness there'd

1578
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: be a match to be made here between Jansen and

1579
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: the Marlins. He still has three years of club controller remaining.

1580
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: He's finally arbitration eligible, but barely played this past year,

1581
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: so he is not going to be much. It's not

1582
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna cost much salary wise, and the main limitation that

1583
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: I noticed pretty immediately whenever you see him play is

1584
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: that he has a pretty bad throwing arm. Guys can

1585
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: steal off of him in terms of the other things

1586
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: he does as a catcher, though it seems pretty fine

1587
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: across the board. He is an above average framer. He

1588
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 1: is surprisingly a more athletic than most catchers behind the

1589
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 1: blade too, and gonna be twenty seven years old this

1590
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: upcoming year. Just because of the kind of mixed track

1591
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: record he has in the big leagues, with some injuries

1592
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: and some inconsistencies, they wouldn't have to give a whole

1593
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: lot just even Who's other trade candidate that brought up well,

1594
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: I brought up Kettel Marte and then before that we

1595
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: touched on Ian Hap. But I think that his trade

1596
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: that he might not even be that high, just because

1597
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: he does have that shaky track record somewhat. But what

1598
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: he showed this year kind of seems legit, you know,

1599
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: when he was actually healthy. He seems like we just

1600
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 1: know how low the bar is to clear for Marlin's

1601
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: catchers to actually be worth having on your roster. He

1602
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: seems to clear that pretty easily.

1603
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 3: And obviously Miami has history trading with the Blue Jays. Ah. Yeah,

1604
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: I'm not sold that he'd maybe be an everyday catcher,

1605
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 3: although what we've seen of him, he looks like he

1606
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: has the potential to hit twenty home runs in the position.

1607
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 3: I am a little concerned with the OBP although, like,

1608
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 3: how much stock can you really put into a guy

1609
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 3: who's only for a catcher, like if you because we

1610
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 3: gaue full seasons for them a lot differently than we

1611
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 3: do other players. Only really has like one full season

1612
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: of games, and that was twenty nineteen where he caught,

1613
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: where he played one hundred and seven games and he

1614
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 3: was an above average He was a slightly below averagerer

1615
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 3: that year. But when he came up in twenty eighteen,

1616
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 3: he hit and yeah, I mean like the bat plays

1617
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 3: in a sense though the numbers don't fully illustrate that,

1618
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 3: but he you know, he's seventy eight walks, one hundred

1619
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 3: and seventy more strikeouts. You know, he's got power, which

1620
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: I think is something that you look for at the

1621
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 3: catching position. He's almost like, you know, in a sense,

1622
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: like a miguel O Lvo, and the fact that for

1623
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 3: a catcher, while not well, he's slightly more athletic than Olivo.

1624
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 3: You know, he possesses the ability to you know, run

1625
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: into a couple of you know, ball during the season,

1626
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 3: and his fair share home runs. He definitely came on

1627
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: at the end, though I think at worse. I mean,

1628
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 3: you know that the bar isn't that high for catching

1629
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 3: right now, just given how bad you know, the Marlins

1630
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: performed at that position offensively last year.

1631
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I just noticed about him for

1632
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: the first time is he has this crazy low batting

1633
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 1: average on balls and play throughout his career. He is

1634
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: a two p thirty career babbit's like ma Kepler. Yeah,

1635
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: so I that's something that I actually have to dive

1636
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 1: in a little bit further. But whether that's that's curable

1637
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: or if there's some tendency that he has that makes

1638
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: him super easy to defend as if that normalizes, you know,

1639
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: even halfway, then he really changes how he would perform,

1640
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, the results that he would have for the

1641
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: time being. There is a pretty big disparity if you

1642
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: look at all his stats, his actual output and his

1643
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: expected output. There's that pretty big disparity there. Certainly he's

1644
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: not on the top, of course of like my catching

1645
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: witch list, but he did fall in between this this

1646
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: range of values, and there's a guy that seems to

1647
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: have more ability than his results at this point, those

1648
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: are the kind of guys that Marlon should definitely look

1649
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: into buying low on if they can.

1650
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's I mean, you could do a

1651
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 3: lot worse than Alex Jackson, so as I mean, is

1652
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: as well as a guy like Sandy Alcantara. Pitched with

1653
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: guys like Alex Jackson beyond the dish and you know,

1654
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: the likes of Sandy Leoon, they don't provide anything in

1655
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: the way of offense. So at some point, if you're

1656
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 3: gonna want to be a playoff conveender, you're gonna want

1657
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 3: to have to produce even at a position that has

1658
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 3: been beyond like Charles Johnson and J. T. Robno a

1659
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 3: position of offensive utility. And you know what, like even

1660
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: some of the person like you said that about Jansen athletically,

1661
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 3: he you know, he's in the sixty fifth percent on

1662
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: sprint speed, So you would want a lot of that

1663
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: low Babbitt to really bounce out. Normally, I wouldn't look

1664
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 3: at Babbitt for catchers just because they generally tend to

1665
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 3: be among the slower, you know, non pitchers on your roster,

1666
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 3: and you know it's very seldom. The only way that

1667
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 3: most catchers are going to beat out ground balls is

1668
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,799
Speaker 3: one your name's either JT. Real Mudo or the infielder

1669
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: bobbles the ball and you just kind of get there

1670
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 3: before they can recover and make for the first base.

1671
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 3: But for a guy who's not just an above average runner,

1672
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 3: but among the fester catchers in the sport though, you know,

1673
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 3: he has no soul and basis to show for that.

1674
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 3: But you can kind of chalk a lot of that

1675
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 3: down to analytics. Yeah, let the babit normalize and he's

1676
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: probably you know, boring on an All Star if he's

1677
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 3: getting regular playing time because the power shortly plays. So

1678
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: I had one more guy I wanted to mention. I

1679
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 3: don't think he's going to go there, but we've long

1680
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 3: speculated about whether or not he would make sense just

1681
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: because of the ties to South Florida. And I'm sure

1682
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 3: sure I'm gonna get destroyed in the comments section on

1683
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 3: Twitter for tomorrow for the slew of times that I've

1684
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 3: mentioned locality and proximity in the context of players that

1685
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 3: I think would make sense, But I'm just gonna do

1686
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 3: it anyway. Look, we got Luin Diaz at first base

1687
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 3: and he and I'm put a note on Twitter the

1688
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 3: other day he lent all first basemen tied with Paul

1689
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 3: goldchmate in defensive runs saved despite having played nearly fifteen

1690
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: hundred less innings at the position this year. So we've

1691
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 3: got a future goal glover. What about a guy who

1692
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 3: has won Gold Gloves and has hit and still can

1693
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 3: kind of get it down offensively too. I mean, are

1694
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: we gonna give Anthony Rizilo call I don't know, but

1695
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: he's always fascinated me because when he first came up

1696
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 3: with the padre after coming over in that adrianan zalz trade.

1697
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 3: You know, he struck out thirty one percent of the time,

1698
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh my god, Like what did we

1699
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 3: trade for? Like we got rid of a franchise first

1700
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 3: baseman and we got this guy who just swings out

1701
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 3: of his shoes a lot of the time. And then

1702
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 3: he goes to the Cubs and it's almost this long

1703
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 3: track record of diminishing strikeout rates and good bit on

1704
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: base percentage and good defense and tower and he has

1705
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 3: a World Series rings to show for it. He's got

1706
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: a couple of gold gloves to show for it. He's

1707
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 3: got over two hundred and fifty home runs. Even last

1708
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 3: year when he wasn't you know, peak Anthony Rizzo, He's

1709
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: still put together a seven set eighty eight or seven

1710
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 3: eighty four ops. He hit twenty two home runs. He

1711
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 3: put together a one eleven OPS plus striking out only

1712
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 3: fifteen percent of the time. But and the note I

1713
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 3: put was, yeah, it's a small chance it happens, because,

1714
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 3: like I said, Leu and Diaz can pick it among

1715
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 3: the best of them. He may already be the best

1716
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 3: defensive first basement in baseball right now. But Anthony Rizzo,

1717
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: you know, is that veteran that you know, I talked

1718
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 3: about guys like Grankie and just a lot of these

1719
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 3: other guys that we've had conversations about earlier in the

1720
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 3: episode that I don't know, it just it seems like

1721
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 3: a natural fit. He went to the same high school

1722
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 3: as Hayesus Lizardo. They both went to Marjor's Stopean Douglas. So,

1723
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to at least kick the tires

1724
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 3: on it, right, even if it doesn't become a reality.

1725
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 3: And you know, Rizzos kind of stated at the outset

1726
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 3: of prior to the season what his market was. I

1727
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 3: don't think he's going to get the one hundred plus

1728
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: million that he's asking for, especially because he's kind of

1729
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 3: had two years where at a position of where you

1730
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 3: expect more offensive production, he's been about six to ten

1731
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 3: percent of the league average for about a season plus now.

1732
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 3: And you know, for a guy who's in his mid

1733
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 3: thirty early to mid thirties, you're not going to really

1734
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 3: bang on, you know, him to rebound to the extent

1735
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: that he was at the peak of his career to

1736
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 3: give that kind of money to him. But I just

1737
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of you know factors beyond the

1738
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: ties of South Florida that make him such a fascinating player.

1739
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 3: Well again, one of my favorite people in the sport too.

1740
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll start with the end where I think a

1741
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: lot of people can agree that he is so likable,

1742
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: not just from being in South Florida, but you can

1743
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: see it in everything that he does. Absolutely everything he is.

1744
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: He's an awesome an awesome ambassador for baseball. He man.

1745
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,759
Speaker 1: The one thing he still does at an elite levels

1746
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: he gets hit by pitches at an elite level, twenty

1747
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: twenty three of those this past year. He's led the

1748
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: league in that a few times in his career. So

1749
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the floor is decent because he's going to get on

1750
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: base a lot, and we think that the defense at

1751
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: first base can age pretty well, so that on that

1752
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: on the surface, you know, he's he's a solid player.

1753
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: I don't see the fit though, as a first base

1754
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: only not. And it's not just because like Leywyn is

1755
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: a lock to be an everyday player moving forward. I

1756
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: certainly have some questions about that, but it's also because

1757
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: they still have need to figure out what to do

1758
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: with Agalar, and they need to figure out what to

1759
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: do with Garrett Cooper, whose best position is first base,

1760
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and I think anyone you slice it, Garrett Cooper's upside

1761
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: is higher than Rizzo's moving forward there, even though they're

1762
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: a very similar age. The recent track record with Cooper

1763
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: both the results he has in the underlying stats is

1764
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: that he's he's making a better quality contact and he's

1765
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: hitting for more power to all fields at a position

1766
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 1: where as you mentioned, the bar for being the offensive

1767
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: threshold you need to reach in order to play every

1768
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: day at first base is pretty high, and Rizzo is

1769
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: like teetering. He's kind of teetering on that level that

1770
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: you want from an every day first baseman, and so

1771
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: is at times someone in his career Hay, who's aguilar

1772
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: has also at times. That's why it's such a tricky

1773
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: decision with him moving forward. If he's not going to

1774
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: deliver in clutched situations as well as he has this

1775
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: past season, is he somebody that's worth carrying on the roster.

1776
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: They don't have any perfect solutions internally, It's just that

1777
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if Rizzo is enough of a potential

1778
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: upgrade for them to kind of shake up everything they

1779
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: were already planning at that position. But I guess the

1780
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: most important thing is always about, you know, what's the

1781
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: cost of bring him in And for someone that was

1782
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: allegedly seeking a pretty long contract as recently as early

1783
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, there's no doubt about it that the market's

1784
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: going to be pretty cruel to him that he is.

1785
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: The Marlins are going to be able to afford him

1786
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: if they really want to on a short term deal.

1787
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: It's I don't really see the fit with every all

1788
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: other moves that they made, but it all comes down

1789
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: to exactly, you know, what the price is, and if

1790
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: they can get him in here on a really reasonable deal,

1791
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: then they could they move some of those other guys

1792
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: and still make it a cohesive roster. So it would

1793
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: take some creativity, but it would.

1794
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 3: And especially because you don't know what you're gonna do

1795
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 3: with a guy like agi Are Cooper, who defensively, you know,

1796
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,839
Speaker 3: he doesn't look like the most athletic guy, but metrics

1797
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 3: say he's actually not that bad at first base. I mean,

1798
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 3: you noted it's his best position, and we've seen at

1799
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 3: times throughout the season that he's not an outfielder really,

1800
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 3: He's just kind of there because he's out of position,

1801
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: and you know, the Players Association and Manford can't really

1802
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 3: get together on what they want to do about the

1803
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 3: university DH. Yeah, I mean Rizzo is a guy that

1804
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 3: probably won't sign immediately in the elseason either, you know,

1805
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 3: just given the nature of you know, the way his

1806
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 3: defensive metrics have been over the last couple of years,

1807
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: they've kind of slightly regressed, and we don't know if

1808
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a DH. So I mean, if he's ad,

1809
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 3: if there's a DH in the National League, you could

1810
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: see the Phillies move a guy like where his hoskins

1811
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: the DH and could opened up a spot for him there,

1812
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 3: or you know, the Yankees could entertain him coming back

1813
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 3: because they don't know what they're to get a void.

1814
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 3: He's at an up and down you know injury history

1815
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 3: with the Yankees. So it's it's he's gonna have his

1816
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 3: pick of suitors. Though I don't think he's gonna get

1817
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 3: the dollars that he initially forecasted for himself. I agree

1818
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 3: with you, like the fit isn't perfect, but there are

1819
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 3: just you know, he has intangibles to any other track

1820
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 3: record that suggests he would definitely be an upgrade just

1821
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 3: for a team who just the ability to score runs

1822
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,679
Speaker 3: is very few and far between among guys throughout the rosters.

1823
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I think we could end it there.

1824
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 3: There's you know, it's pretty much everybody that I kind

1825
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: of thought wouldn't make sense.

1826
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: We give people more than their money's worth on this.

1827
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, even after editing, I think this is gonna

1828
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: be right around an hour and a half of stuff.

1829
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: It only goes up from here. That's the way we

1830
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: formatted this. We worked that way up the next episode

1831
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: asle three, these are gonna be guys that are more

1832
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: than two war this past season, like average too above

1833
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 1: average players, and it only goes up and up and up.

1834
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: But we're I think we're getting this down and so

1835
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: we hope we gave you guys something to think about.

1836
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: I'll plug the links to people on the article page

1837
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: on the website where you can actually look at all

1838
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: the players that fall in this bracket to see if

1839
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: we missed anybody that you guys think makes sense for

1840
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: the Marlins. The ale two of our Marlins off season

1841
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: shopping done here. That's Lewis Addiot Wi's Eli Sesssman from

1842
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: Fish Strips and what do you think We're probably gonna

1843
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 1: be recording next Wednesday Wednesday and they'll come out the

1844
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: following Thursday, so you could plan ahead for us after

1845
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: this episode of the next one, probably Thursday, October twenty

1846
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: eighth is when that one is going to drop. As

1847
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: we work our way through this off season shopping and

1848
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: right around then we'll be coinciding with the World Series,

1849
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: so we have we're shifting almost entirely into full off

1850
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: season mode coming up here on the podcast. Be sure

1851
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 1: to check out all our coverage on fish Drives on

1852
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: social media on fish drives dot com, and we always

1853
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: appreciate the ratings and review on the podcast as well

1854
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to it. Be back with this pod

1855
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: throughout this offseason, and we appreciate you guys all tuning in.

1856
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 3: Go fish