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Speaker 2: Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: The Enzo pickoff Hizier White.

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Speaker 1: With the interception, the latest news and notes from the

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Speaker 1: insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 3: Rights slam the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 3: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 4: I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 4: Well, I figure, you know what if the if the

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Speaker 4: Jets can complete an interview and official real life head

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Speaker 4: coaching interview with their former head coach Rex Ryan that

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Speaker 4: really happened, then we most certainly can bring you the

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Speaker 4: first off season edition of Cardinals Underground. Here twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Paul Calvc, Danny Surrec, Darren Urban, and I will say

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Speaker 4: to begin that. It took nearly all season, but just

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Speaker 4: under the wire going into the final week eighteen, I

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Speaker 4: found an NFL related entity that actually matched the motor

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Speaker 4: of Buddha Baker this year, the relentless persuit of Buddha

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Speaker 4: Baker was matched by only one thing that I can

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Speaker 4: tell in the NFL this past season, and it would

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Speaker 4: be the marketing department at NFL Sunday Ticket via YouTube TV.

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Speaker 4: Even down to the final Friday of games, they're sending

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Speaker 4: me three to seven emails a day to latch on

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Speaker 4: sign up en list for the Sunday Ticket slate of

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Speaker 4: games and the insider package. They reduced it all the

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Speaker 4: way down to four dollars and ninety nine cents for

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Speaker 4: the week eighteen slate. And I mean, you know what,

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Speaker 4: at that point, they actually, instead of my disdain, they

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Speaker 4: earned my respect for just how relentless they are in

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Speaker 4: marketing their product.

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Speaker 2: That's that's fair. But I mean, as long as there's

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Speaker 2: time on the clock, there's time on the clock, Paul,

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Speaker 2: That's what we always say around here. I've already said

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Speaker 2: that before. By the way, you are usually the king

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Speaker 2: of the segways. Okay, I'm missing the I know you

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Speaker 2: wanted to mention Rex Ryan because you love them so much. Sure,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to see the segue between Rex Ryan and

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Speaker 2: a podcast we were always going to do at the

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Speaker 4: Well, in case anybody's wondering whether you know, there's justification

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Speaker 4: to keep talking ball when there are no more games? Okay,

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Speaker 4: I mean if the Jets can somehow jump out our

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Speaker 4: paychecks interviewing Rex Ryan, I got you, Okay, I just.

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Speaker 2: I just I needed. I need to peek inside the

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Speaker 2: mind workings of Paul.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's my own poly powerpole of no comprendo

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Speaker 4: you know Rex Ryan actually getting a real interview NFL

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Speaker 4: Sunday Ticket still just drilling me, ear holding me with

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Speaker 4: all these stinking emails right up to the last weekend

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Speaker 2: Are you implying that Rex Ryan would be a poor

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Speaker 2: hire by the Jets?

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Speaker 4: What I am implying is who isn't on the Jets

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Speaker 4: interview list.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 4: I think the only names Danny would be it would

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Speaker 4: be that former Disney star and Spider Man, who are

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Speaker 4: now engaged with their names again. I think if I

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Speaker 4: want their names, I just look at the Jets interview list.

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Speaker 4: Who is it again?

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Speaker 5: Tom Holland and Zendeia, although if Tom is going to

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Speaker 5: take her last name, he might just be Tom, Tom

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Speaker 5: and Zenda.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's got to be a good joke to

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Speaker 2: not be wasted.

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Speaker 4: By the way.

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Speaker 5: Interesting how you couldn't look me in the eye when

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Speaker 5: you said that. You know what?

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Speaker 4: Why why do people have a hard time with the

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Speaker 2: Are you taller than Tom Holland?

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Speaker 4: We're playing for if he can be Spider Man? I mean,

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Speaker 4: my goodness, say no more. I have no idea. I

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Speaker 5: The secret what what? You haven't seen any Spider Man I.

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Speaker 4: Saw like those first two that came back with or whatever?

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Speaker 4: Is who was Peter Parker?

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Speaker 4: Who was Peter Parker? Like twenty years ago when they

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Speaker 2: Fields and I'm seeing his face anyway?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I bail. He has done like six different

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Speaker 2: Holland as opposed to this, he's done pretty and then

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Speaker 2: he's okay, that was, well, well we'll need to get

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Speaker 5: Don't think I've seen all them. They secretly got engaged

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Speaker 2: Not the different Spider Man, but so they reportedly.

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Speaker 5: You know, good joke has to land. They reportedly secretly

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Speaker 5: got engaged between Christmiths in the years and then at

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Speaker 5: the Golden Globes on the red carpets, and Deya was

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Speaker 5: wearing an engagement ring for the first time. And that's

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Speaker 2: I haven't what was what was the They're very very private, okay,

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Speaker 2: but they so they haven't. What are you doing on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: If you announce something on Instagram?

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Speaker 5: Hard launch hard? They are hard launching. They have not

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Speaker 5: their engagement. No, they've hard launched their relationship a while ago.

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's a trivia question for Suns fan Darren Urban.

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Speaker 4: I was at a press conference, and this is a

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Speaker 4: long time ago, but there was a son's player who

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Speaker 4: and she had mentioned they just got engaged, and she

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Speaker 4: held up her hand and she had an eleven carrot

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Speaker 2: I mean it was which player was I was?

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm asking you. I'm trying to remember. He

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Speaker 4: was an outside, he was a wing, he was a sharpshooter.

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Speaker 4: It was back in the seventh Richard. Yes, and it

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Speaker 4: was a famous singer and entertainer and uh. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure they stayed. I'll never forget the uh by

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Speaker 4: the way, later we'll get into the four seas. Speaking

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Speaker 4: of diamonds the is that.

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Speaker 5: What it says online?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That sounds about right. Are they still together a.

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Speaker 5: Couple of minutes.

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Speaker 4: Four seas of Marvin Harrison Junior. We'll get into a

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Speaker 4: little bit later. Copper, how we uh we're talking about commerce? No,

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Speaker 4: you know, cut clarity, carrot and now always figured the

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Speaker 4: fourth one. But for Marvin Harrison Junior. We'll get into

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Speaker 4: the four seas a little bit later. Okay, got that

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Speaker 4: all right? So I got one rant off my chest there.

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Speaker 4: Let's see a little bit later, we're gonna have the

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Speaker 4: results of the couple of it team investigations for the season.

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Speaker 4: The team We've been conducting season long investigations into how

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Speaker 4: exactly the Cardinals have unlocked, Buddha Baker. I think we

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Speaker 4: have some answers on a We're also going to get

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Speaker 4: into the season long investigation which ramped up in earnest

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Speaker 4: here the last couple of weeks into the O line

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Speaker 4: Fine System. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 5: I had a random question. Okay, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: sparked this, Maybe because you keep mentioning were polls the

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Speaker 5: Polly's list of incompetence? Is that reset in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: since this is our first Cardinals Underground of the new year,

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Speaker 5: that's a good question.

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Speaker 4: We haven't really considered.

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Speaker 2: That yet, resetting or rolling over like well, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think so. I think it's just you know, the

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Speaker 4: uh it's basically, is it incompetent enough to knock the

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Speaker 4: predecessor off the list?

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Speaker 5: So it stays the same until it gets not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in real time. It's ever evolving, and you

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Speaker 4: know you have to earn your spot on the list

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Speaker 4: and knock out another contender. Okay, you know so you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, ray Gun could be on there for for

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Speaker 2: I thought we knocked her off.

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Speaker 5: No, she's on the setting. We knocked off the Red

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Speaker 5: new young CEO and he got rid of it.

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Speaker 4: You guys outvoted me on that one too. I was

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Speaker 4: not in favor of Jim and.

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Speaker 2: Mahundra came through for us. Kevin Richardson was engaged for

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Speaker 2: fourteen months to Brandy that's it, yes, okay, but it

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Speaker 5: So Mi must be his current wife online.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm just gonna start with the last game

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Speaker 4: and then we'll get into the off season. Can I

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Speaker 4: just say that this Sean Murphy Bunting fight against Juwan

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Speaker 4: Jennings to me, to me, was almost a metaphor for

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals and the message sent to the division this year,

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Speaker 4: who's with me on this one? Because when Juwan Jennings

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Speaker 4: who made it very clear to Juwan Jennings, if you

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Speaker 4: fate would have it. The next play did require Juwan

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Speaker 4: But to me, in a way, that was sort of

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Speaker 4: like what the Cardinals said to the NFC was this year,

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Speaker 4: you know what, you got us mark down each one

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Speaker 4: of you for two wins. This year, you know what,

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Speaker 4: try us. Come on over here, buckle up and try us.

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Speaker 4: And the Cardinals were a deflection away from sweeping LA

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Speaker 4: but all told, at least they went three and three

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Speaker 4: the home wins, and that's great, But to me, getting

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Speaker 5: Coming off a year where the Cardinals didn't have a

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Speaker 5: single divisional win, so to come out and be as

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Speaker 5: three divisional opponents is a big step this year. I

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Speaker 5: like that metaphor of the fight, the tussles with Juwan Jennings,

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Speaker 5: the forty nine ers receivers and the Cardinals kind of

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Speaker 5: winning that battle of you're right, we got a little

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Speaker 5: grit to us. We're a little a little scrappy if

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Speaker 5: you will, and competitive and gonna fight. I am intrigued

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Speaker 5: as to what the conversation was with head coach Jonathan

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Speaker 5: Gannon and Shawn Murphy Bunting, because even starting at training camp,

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Speaker 5: we know that fighting is not allowed. Although that's between teammates,

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that I could see that as something

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Speaker 5: that Gannon wouldn't necessarily quote unquote be okay with. I

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Speaker 5: like the competitiveness, and that was something that Star Thomas

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Speaker 5: film they saw Jennings have some similar tussles in weeks prior,

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Speaker 5: and it was the Cardinal's mindset of you're not gonna

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Speaker 5: what he was what Shaw Murphy Bunting was met with

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Speaker 5: Jenny was likes that. Before he made his way off

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Speaker 2: I just the guy finished twenty He was gonna end

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Speaker 2: the sequence, Sean Murphy Bunting ended up absolutely deserving everything

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Speaker 2: out for what Jennings did. First, If Sean Murphy Bunting

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Speaker 2: Murphy Bunten gets ejected. Now, I understand why you would

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Speaker 4: But the brutal part about that was the umpire got injured.

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Speaker 4: He got carted off, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but somebody said I was talking to somebody about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing it was more than pulling a hamstring, Like

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Speaker 2: But I guess my point it was. I thought at

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Speaker 4: I honestly don't know what got him, but I do

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Speaker 4: other guys came pouring in. He might have got blindsided

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Speaker 4: from you know, and down goes the umpire, but he

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're just an average middle aged official and

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Speaker 4: you have a little to no chance of making that happen.

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Speaker 5: You weren't going to run out and help them.

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Speaker 4: I was actually backpeddling. I was in full back pedal

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Speaker 4: mode myself. So you think Sean Murphy bunting I didn't

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Speaker 4: So otherwise, anything stand out from the season finale that

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Speaker 4: How about Trey McBride, Trey mcplay, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 4: You want a physical play?

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Speaker 4: Describe in print Trey mchurdle and going, you know, getting

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Speaker 4: the angry run scepter to start this week deservedly?

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Speaker 2: So I didn't actually have to describe it because our

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Speaker 2: so we can all set it back out because that

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Speaker 2: He talked about it with Zach after the game and

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Speaker 2: I get it. He said it once before and he

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Speaker 5: Hurdled his way right through that defender, I mean right

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Speaker 4: He said after the game, I asked him to take

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Speaker 4: As soon as he achieved lift off, he said to himself,

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Speaker 4: well for him.

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Speaker 2: It did.

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Speaker 4: It's the world's worst longboard surfer. Later, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that was really well done. But then much

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Speaker 4: later I said to myself, you know, the question should

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Speaker 2: I do want to like clarify this though everybody was

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Speaker 2: to go check it out. He did. It's not like

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Speaker 2: But it's not like he kicked it. Antonio Brown was

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I took the hit on Red Sea report.

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Speaker 4: I owned it when I went with kick Butt Kowski

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Speaker 4: on the air the old Disney cartoon and nobody got that,

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Speaker 2: Was an epic fails mean anything to me?

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Speaker 4: It fails again. So okay, Trey McBride, can I say

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Speaker 4: this When we look back on the twenty twenty four season,

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Speaker 4: I think, more than anything, we'll remember it for an

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Speaker 4: epic historic year by both Trey McBride and Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 4: For considering the team didn't make the postseason. Yes, they

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Speaker 4: big ways, meaningful ways. We'll get into that, But in

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Speaker 2: Is it? So? Is this the Iteam report on Booda

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Speaker 4: No, No, no, we haven't got into that.

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Speaker 2: Yet, well, are we going to get into that?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Darren wanted me to move it along. No,

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like I I thought that was Danny

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought this was a second way too.

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Speaker 4: Sitting here enjoying this, I'm just saying, do you think

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Speaker 4: you know it's sort of like Russell Crow and Gladiator?

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Speaker 4: Are you not entertained?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Do you think we have appreciated it, fully appreciated what

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Speaker 4: we just saw, what Buddha Baker put out there, and

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Speaker 5: I think so we talk about it every week.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, No, I.

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Speaker 5: Do Outside of just the receiving touchdowns, you can look

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Speaker 5: and just see how impactful McBride was. I no longer

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Speaker 5: think it is a discussion topic of is McBride ascending?

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Speaker 5: Is he one of the top tight ends? The answer

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Speaker 5: a lot of reps his rookie year started last year

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Speaker 5: he made in this year. It's no longer a talking point.

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Speaker 5: Is McBride one of the top tight ends when you're

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Speaker 5: talking about George Kittle and you're looking around the league. Yes,

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Speaker 4: How long do you think he holds onto this title

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Speaker 2: Powers is going to break it in two years. So

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I mean, it's it's a nice thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of seems kind of random. The first enough

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Speaker 4: It was sort of that other record he almost had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, sometimes, how did they ever come up with that?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it feels like a stretch. Yeah, Okay, But regardless,

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Speaker 2: Trey McBride is a difference maker. Even if next year

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Speaker 2: one hundred catches. He's a difference maker now that you

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Speaker 2: so if you can bring up the rest of the

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Speaker 4: Can I can I look at Trey McBride.

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Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want, Paul, you're a free man.

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Speaker 4: And finish the sentence and draw parallels to Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 4: Junior's rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Hew, so.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Trey's rookie.

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Speaker 4: Year, Trey's rookie year versus Marvin's rookie year.

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Speaker 5: No, you cannot do whatever you want as a free man.

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Speaker 5: I'm very intrigued how you're gonna compare the rookie seasons

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Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that. Okay, in this way, two ways,

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Speaker 4: it's not apples to apples because Marmin Harrison Junior came

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Speaker 2: Tight end two in an offense that will hardly ever

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Speaker 5: Originally tight end three. Max Williams was here, was zach Ertz.

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Speaker 4: Reason I'm bringing up is because Trey made a comment

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Speaker 4: how each other play, to read a coverage this same way,

440
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Speaker 4: to be in the right spot at the right time

441
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Speaker 4: for Kyler. And so whereas you saw games where Trey

442
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 4: would have ten catches on ten targets, eleven catches on

443
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Speaker 4: twelve targets. You know, there were those games Marvin had

444
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 4: two catches on seven targets. And so the fact that

445
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 4: the catch to target ratio was so absurd at times

446
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Speaker 4: with Kyler to Trey McBride, especially in comparison to Marvin

447
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Speaker 4: Harrison Junior, I'm just wondering, can you expect maybe that

448
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: is the next step for Marvin Harrison junior based on

449
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Speaker 4: the next step that Trey McBride just took.

450
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Speaker 5: It's a reach to compare the rookie years of title

451
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Speaker 5: Trey McBride and wide receiver Marvin Harrison junior. McBride didn't

452
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Speaker 5: see a lot of playing time. He had twenty nine

453
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Speaker 5: receptions on thirty nine targets his rookie year. He was

454
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Speaker 5: very low on the depth chart. Second year. Last year

455
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Speaker 5: he was still coming off the bench behind zach Ertz,

456
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Speaker 5: and this was the first year. It took three years,

457
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Speaker 5: bigger scale. Yes, you can use it as an example

458
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Speaker 5: of it takes time. If you adjust to the speed

459
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Speaker 5: of the game, make sure you are understanding the offensive scheme,

460
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Speaker 5: make sure you are understanding what your quarterback likes, the timing,

461
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Speaker 5: how you should be running your route, the communication. Yes,

462
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Speaker 5: it's not the same of what we saw from Harrison's

463
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Speaker 5: rookie year, and not the same of what the expectations

464
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Speaker 5: are for McBride as a second round pick as a

465
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Speaker 5: tight end to Harrison as the fourth overall pick as

466
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Speaker 5: a wide receiver in an offense that was desperate for

467
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Speaker 5: a number one wide receiver after some free agency moves,

468
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Speaker 5: It's still going to take time. You have to be

469
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Speaker 5: patient with Harrison to be more consistent with those targets

470
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Speaker 5: that are coming his way. You saw a lot of

471
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Speaker 5: good things. You saw a lot of growth from the

472
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Speaker 5: rookie in the speed of the game, not thinking as much,

473
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Speaker 5: being more aggressive near the end of the season at

474
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Speaker 5: the point of attack, and understanding how physical he can

475
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Speaker 5: be a little bit better and use his body on

476
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Speaker 5: some of those catches. I just Paul, a lot of times,

477
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Speaker 5: I'm able to see where you're at least coming from.

478
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Speaker 5: And I know that this is maybe more so just

479
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Speaker 5: a a talking point on the podcast. I don't see

480
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Speaker 5: it just feels like apples and carrots or something not

481
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 5: even like apples and oranges. I just when you look

482
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: at still products, yeah, but just when you look at

483
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 5: where the team and the offenses and the opportunities they

484
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Speaker 5: had and the expectations and their skill sets coming out

485
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Speaker 5: of college right away. It doesn't feel comparable for McBride

486
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Speaker 5: and Harrison as a rookie year.

487
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Speaker 4: And sometimes it's just a talking point. Yes, that's fair,

488
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Speaker 4: a launching pad to get analysis like that, Danny. So

489
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Speaker 4: there you go. You know, I checked that box because

490
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Speaker 4: I did go back and listening to Kyler's postgame presser

491
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Speaker 4: and you guys were there and he was asked about

492
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Speaker 4: the passing attack sort of finding a little more traction,

493
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Speaker 4: especially the downfield passing attack the last two games of

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Speaker 4: the year, and his answer was, well, things were crisper.

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Speaker 4: That was the term he used.

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Speaker 2: Darren.

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Speaker 4: You can give us a you know, a footballed English

498
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Speaker 4: translation the money pontificate.

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Speaker 2: On you know, and first of all, it should be

500
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Speaker 2: more crisp. Okay, I think crisper.

501
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: That's what he said, crisper. So in football terms, what

502
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Speaker 4: does crisper mean? Think about that, because he went then

503
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: went on to say, you know, it still could have

504
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: been better, but you know, we all did our jobs

505
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: these last two games. You know, you try to be perfect,

506
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: you'll never achieve it. But guys were where they were

507
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: supposed to be and on time and make contested catches. Ah,

508
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: they were there. They were where they're supposed to be,

509
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: They were there when they were supposed to be there,

510
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 4: and they made contest to catches. Three huge components of

511
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Speaker 4: a passing game that was inconsistent downfield passing game that

512
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Speaker 4: was inconsistent throughout the entirety for the most part of

513
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. And that's a lot of what we

514
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Speaker 4: speculated on, right, especially the first half of the season. Okay,

515
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Speaker 4: are the receivers reading coverage the same way as the quarterback?

516
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Speaker 4: Are the receivers where they're supposed to be when the

517
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Speaker 4: quarterback as an edge rusher breathing down his backside and

518
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 4: he needs to get rid of the ball now? Are

519
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 4: the receivers where they need to be now? And so

520
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 4: maybe it was more of a work in progress that

521
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Speaker 4: didn't really achieve crisper status until the final weeks of

522
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Speaker 4: the season. Again and the operative word there. Maybe we've speculation.

523
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Speaker 2: We've made comparisons before to twenty thirteen and Carson Palmer

524
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Speaker 2: and Bruce Arians and all that stuff, but that at

525
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Speaker 2: least got figured out. It means, I mean, part of

526
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Speaker 2: the issue with that is going to be like, I mean, realistically,

527
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Speaker 2: why would it. I understand if there's a learning curve,

528
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Speaker 2: it should not take sixteen weeks.

529
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Speaker 4: Agreed, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: It's the NFL well And also sorry if you're going

531
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Speaker 5: to say the learning curve that implies we're mostly just

532
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 5: talking about the rookie and Harrison. That wasn't the case.

533
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 5: I mean plenty of other receivers. Now McBride popped off,

534
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 5: so that that helps, but it wasn't just on Harrison.

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Speaker 4: And then Greg Dortch. Just give you a quick sideline

536
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 4: postcard on Greg Dortch. He scores the twenty three yard

537
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: catch and run right, weaving his way through traffic, zig zaggy,

538
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: making guys look stupid in his space like Greg Dortch does.

539
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: And the whole sideline is beaming, smiling, enjoying it. Except

540
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: one guy, Greg Dortch mean mugging everyone. Kyler tried him twice,

541
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: came down the line. Hey, you know, high five's the

542
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: whole thing, Dorch, stoneface. He goes down, taps up the

543
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: old line, comes back, smacks him on the shoulder pads

544
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: like come on, He's like, come on, enjoy it, you know, Dorch. Nope,

545
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 4: came back, scored another touchdown later. Nope, was having none

546
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Speaker 4: of it. Now, he's one of those guys who's locked

547
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: in on game day. He has to be his size,

548
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 4: he has to have that sort of ferocity to compete,

549
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: and and he's that guy in game day who has

550
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: a different look on his eyes, so like a Paris

551
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: Johnson junior. But you also wonder, you know, if that

552
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: was his personal statement, Hey, I could have been doing

553
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: this with a lot more regularity. Get me the ball,

554
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: give me some more targets, and you're gonna be happy

555
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: you did. And so as a walkoff statement, I thought

556
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: that was interesting in terms of what's his contract status exactly,

557
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 4: Greg Dortch.

558
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: He's a restricted free agent. Okay, so if the Cardinals

559
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: want him, But what's probably gonna happen is is, given

560
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: his circumstances, they're not gonna give him an offer that

561
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: couldn't be matched. I'll be curious to know what Greg

562
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: Dortch wants to do and how they feel about him,

563
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: because again, as we talk about this receiving corps, Marvin's Marvin.

564
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: They like Michael Wilson as a blocker and that in

565
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: that other role we talk about potentially having that speed

566
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: receiver or go getting a speed receiver or Xavier Weaver

567
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: being that guy. I'm not sure, but I don't think

568
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: they see Dorch as that guy because they didn't really

569
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: use him like that. So where does it fit. Is

570
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Dorch gonna get the kind of opportunity here if he

571
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: has a choice to go somewhere else? Does he wanted

572
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: might want to do something like that.

573
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Speaker 4: And then risk you know, getting a getting chemistry and

574
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 4: relationship with a new quarterback. So you know, it's it's interesting.

575
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 4: But but to you know, just to play off the

576
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: earlier discussion, you know, were there are more opportunities that

577
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: could have been had for more receivers beyond just Marvin

578
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson because obviously JA Jones and

579
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: because of other reasons A Jones wasn't out there the

580
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: entirety of the year, but he made a couple of

581
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: nice plays, a couple of nice catches in the final

582
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 4: two games of the year as well. So there's that, Uh,

583
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: what about the fact that this offensive line, right you're

584
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: out there and Kyler didn't get sacked. Yet you had

585
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: an offensive line then included Isaiah Adams and Christian Jones

586
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: and right, I mean you had you had backup tackles,

587
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: and Kelvin Beacham talking about how he's gotten clearance from

588
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: his wife for a fourteenth season. If he so chooses,

589
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: he was your left tackle. But in terms of the UH.

590
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: He chooses, and if a team so chooses, sure, exactly

591
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

592
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: According to Calvin Beacham, and this is him talking to

593
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: the media, I proved that I'm a starting tackle in

594
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: the league, capable of being a starting tackle in the league,

595
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: and so we'll see what exactly that means. I mean,

596
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: he's a valuable swing guy, there's no doubt about it.

597
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: But if he wants to start, it's probably not here.

598
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: It's certainly not going to be at left tackle, and

599
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: the way they've kind of constructed things, I don't see

600
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: it being a right tackle either.

601
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Speaker 4: So but I guess that was my segue Darren into

602
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: the offensive line dinner that we saw online.

603
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: Via the UH.

604
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: What was it is? It was Christian Jones or Isaiah

605
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: Adams somebody posted on there Chirrist Johnson Junior.

606
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: Every position group does a rookie dinner at the end

607
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: of the year, and the offensive lineman had theirs, and

608
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: Johnson put on his Instagram story the bill which got

609
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: up to one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. And considering

610
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: there's only two rookies in that room, and Isaiah Adams

611
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 5: and Christian Jones, that could be a very hefty charge

612
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: for the two of them.

613
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so few nuanced details here, as we had a

614
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Speaker 2: discussion before we started podcasting. Let's say there's fifteen offensive limen.

615
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: I don't have the exact number, because I'm sure practice

616
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: squad guys would be included. If there's fifteen guys, if

617
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: there's one hundred and thirty thousand dollars bill, that's seventy

618
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars apiece. Now there was an argument whether

619
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Speaker 2: that could even be spent per person for an offensive

620
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Speaker 2: line dinner. I don't know, I can I can see

621
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Speaker 2: the argument. Was it just one of those as want

622
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Speaker 2: as NFL players that want to do doing a prank

623
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Speaker 2: receipt to freak out the rookies before they actually pay

624
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: the real bill, which is possible. I'm trying to wrap

625
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: my head around where you would go to spend seventy

626
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars apiece. Now, obviously there would probably be

627
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: some A lot of beverages involved. Bottles of beverages.

628
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: Two words table service.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't certainly, but you're.

630
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 5: Kind of like a place surf and turf and you're

631
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: getting some nice steaks or you're getting some seafood and

632
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 5: you're get like that. That stuff you can rack up

633
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: pretty quickly.

634
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: There was an all time quote by Darnell Dockett. This

635
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: is going back aways when Kaleiis Campbell was a rookie.

636
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: That's going back a long ways. I'm frightening myself even

637
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: referencing this right now.

638
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight Ladies and German.

639
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: It was a rookie dinner and kalaias Campbell the second

640
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: round rookie was going to pick up the tab and Darnell,

641
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: what are you plan on ordering tonight? I'm not sure, probably,

642
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: uh most everything. I'm going to order lobster as an

643
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: appetizer and not eat it. So uh, that was the

644
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: That's the kind of stuff that they pull at these

645
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, I do wonder if it was

646
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: partially funded by the pot in the O line. Fine, uh,

647
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: you know, tally at the very end of the season, okay,

648
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: because they you know, these offensive linemen find each other

649
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: with regularity, with impunity. Now, not big fines, big, you know,

650
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: but there's so many fines and there's so many old

651
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: linemen that it's got to add up over the end

652
00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: of the year.

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Speaker 5: It's a range of things. So even talking to the

654
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Speaker 5: media can get them a fine. Yes, Adams was saying

655
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: he celebrated a touchdown too much one game got fined.

656
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: That seems very subjective.

657
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: There it is. And I asked Calvin Beacham, I said,

658
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: as the most experienced veteran in that room, is that

659
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: a democracy or is that a dictatorship? And he laughed.

660
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: He said it's not a dictatorship, and then he said,

661
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: you know, it's a process, and he wasn't going to

662
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: get into the details of the fine, and then he

663
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: ended his answer by saying, it's also not a democracy.

664
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: There you go.

665
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: So my understanding is that the numbers guy who tracks

666
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: it and tallies it would be yell to Froholt, you're

667
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: the quarterback of the old line.

668
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: I can understand that, okay.

669
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: But when Calvin says it's not a democracy nor a dictatorship.

670
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: When there are disputes, it goes to the elder in

671
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: the room, and that's Calvin Beacham. That's my understanding.

672
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 5: You also got to keep in mind, look offensive lineman

673
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 5: of gotta eat. They've they've got to keep up their weight.

674
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: And it's on the rookies as part of their duties,

675
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: to make sure that their position room is stocked with

676
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: any sort of snacks or drinks that they want, making

677
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: sure that on travel days they're showing up to the

678
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: plane with food whatever is requested. So even if that

679
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: was a prank, which would have come out to what

680
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: check being check being a prank that would have come

681
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 5: out between the two rookies to what's seventy five thousand.

682
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: Each, which is a lot forgot how much are.

683
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: They spending throughout the season in training camp and making

684
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 5: sure that those veterans are fueled.

685
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: There is an appeals process. By the way, Isay Adams.

686
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: When I asked him about it at his locker, just

687
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: was there ever an incident you got fined for that

688
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: you appealed? And he said yes, the one where he

689
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: celebrated too hard after a Kyler touchdown. He took umbrage

690
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: with the amount of the fine and said, come on, guys,

691
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: and sounds like he was victorious in that one. Now

692
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: apparently it got whittled down. Didn't get rid, No, got

693
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: whittled down apparently. Though the Elders did not appreciate Jonah

694
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: Williams trying to appeal his fine for the fumble recovery,

695
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 4: both the celebration and the number of interviews he did afterwards.

696
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: He got there was a hefty fine associate with that.

697
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: The interviews I've noticed are a big thing if we're

698
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: if we're doing a scrum in the locker room, I

699
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: noticed a lot of other offensive linemen are bringing out

700
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: phones to videotape evidence.

701
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: Sometimes if I have to interview an offensive lineman, at

702
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: the end, I thank them for being willing to take

703
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: the fine.

704
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: And if the media scrum is actually blocking another offensive

705
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: lineman's locker, oh now that's all that's like a double Yeah.

706
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: Will Hernandez double fined Paris Johnson Junior last year because

707
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: we were blocking Will's locker. So there's all that in there.

708
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: But it seems to me this is a This would

709
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: be a good time too, as we get to the

710
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: end of our picks to bring this up that we finished. Danny,

711
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: I know you were not happy with how.

712
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: I'm not happy with the final week, but you still.

713
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: Picked up three games on Paul.

714
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 5: I had to take some risks, and it just I didn't.

715
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 5: I didn't trust my gut enough and I made some

716
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 5: of the wrong choices, like I still chose Kansas City

717
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 5: to win, even though they weren't playing any starters right,

718
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 5: So I didn't. I didn't have the best week. I

719
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 5: went into it with the mindset that I was gonna

720
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 5: finish in third.

721
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: It was close.

722
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: I had a few fun weeks though, there was a

723
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 5: fun little run there.

724
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: So the final week I went ten and five. My

725
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: final total was one eighty correct seventy five missed. Paul

726
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 2: finished in second after a six and nine final week.

727
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: He went one, seventy one and eighty four.

728
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: I took eighteen point four seconds to do my picks

729
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: and I went opposite. I went cause Stanza. I took

730
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: every swing in the book in week eighteen.

731
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: Nine and six for Danny one sixty nine and eighty six.

732
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: So it was had you just had like another week

733
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: or two, you would have at least caught Paul and

734
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: maybe me, who knows. I will say that for those

735
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: of you who are listening for the Wise Guy we

736
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: are putting that on hiatus for the time being.

737
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: It will Paul threatened us if we continued it.

738
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: Actually, it was my therapist for emotional wellbeing.

739
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: It will pop up from time to time during temple events.

740
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: I know Oma wants to do that. We will have

741
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: some other goodies going forward. However, today as an extra

742
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: special one, this popped into my head. I just thought

743
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: i'd bring it up.

744
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: So we can't afford it.

745
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: For one single trivia question from me to Paul connect,

746
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: I have one question I want to see if he

747
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: can get it.

748
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: I need one of those smart watches where I can

749
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: just sort.

750
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: Of look at it.

751
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 4: It'll give This.

752
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: Isn't your music. We're a team here, Danny Paul in

753
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: something that had nothing to do with Arizona Cardinals. In

754
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: what city did we dine together outside of Arizona?

755
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 5: You guys went to dinner on a road trip without me.

756
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: I didn't say a road trip. I said it didn't

757
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the Cardinals.

758
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: You guys got dinner without me.

759
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you were born yet.

760
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: Okay, so if it wasn't the Cardinals, it was probably

761
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: the Coyotes, which means, let's see playoff road trips that

762
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: I did way back in the day, Detroit, Saint Louis.

763
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 4: And there was another one that I can't remember, no surprise,

764
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: I can't remember that. Where was I for a good

765
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: two weeks? Let's see here, I'll go with the d

766
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: the three one three, It was close.

767
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: You mentioned it was Saint Louis.

768
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: How many times have I whittled it down to two

769
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: potential answers and then take them a.

770
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 5: Long starting with the opposite of your guys?

771
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: Exactly? I didn't like picks. Why don't I do it

772
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: on my mind? With my answer?

773
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: Can you salvage it by saying what year was year?

774
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: Okay, so well it can only be I'd say ninety seven?

775
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: Close. Obviously. That was my infamous road trip where I

776
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: lost my wallet in the taxi and had to go

777
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: to the airport. And this was pre nine eleven, so

778
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: I had to go to the airport and I had

779
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: no ID because I lost it. I left my wallet

780
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: on the way to the airport to leave, and Scott

781
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: Bordeaux was traveling with me, and we went to the

782
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: desk and said, yeah, I lost my wallet. I don't

783
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: have an idea, and Bordo was like, I will vouch

784
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: for him, and they're like, okay. And I got on

785
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: the plane because pre nine to eleven was pre nine eleven.

786
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: And you probably boarded with a personal flamethrower and they said, sure, yeah, no,

787
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: no big deal, that's probably what you did.

788
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: I really really hoping you are going to remember that

789
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: you had your camera guy with it was me, Scott,

790
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: you and you had your whoever your cameraman was in

791
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: ninety Steakhouse.

792
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: No, where was it. I'm on the hills on their

793
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: was it?

794
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: I think it was on the hills.

795
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: I just throw out random recollections. Yeah, that's let's hope

796
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: it wasn't. Ricky bogran over at Channel five and he

797
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't even go across the street from the Minnesota playoff

798
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: game Carlos at the Vikings in January of ninety nine

799
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: because he said he was too cold and he couldn't

800
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: go shoot a tailgator video. I mean, come on, Ricky,

801
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: as an Arizona native, you gotta be tougher than that.

802
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 5: We are thinking of different segments though, to replace Wise Guy,

803
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 5: at least in the off season, so be patient with us.

804
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: I see meantime, you're just gonna have to settle for

805
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: the results of an ITEAM investigation we've been conducting about

806
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: Buddha Baker and how exactly Buddha ends up with. What

807
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: was the final tallly as I'm looking for, it was

808
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 4: one sixty six, one sixty four. What was the final

809
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: tally I'm looking at? Here we go one sixty four

810
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: career high, ten tackles for loss, career high. He threw

811
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: in a couple of sacks by passes defense, three quarterback

812
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: hits in a fourth fummel. But he ends up second

813
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: in the NFL and tackles. That's wild and everyone else

814
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: in the top ten they're middle linebackers.

815
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Somebody said in the comments on my mail bag this week,

816
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: which was interesting that it wasn't in the mailbag, but

817
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: it was on the comments under the mail bag. He

818
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: was doing this. Some guy did this giant breakdown of

819
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. His first line was, don't forget

820
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: Buddha has lost a step.

821
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: WHOA Okay, I would disagree.

822
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: I would have to agree to disagree on.

823
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: That he had the third most tackles by a defensive

824
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: back since at least nineteen ninety one, and.

825
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: Not because the two lines at a five in front

826
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 5: of Baker were slipping up because Baker was playing everywhere

827
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 5: on the field. He was in the box, he was

828
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: blitzing through the gaps, he was in the secondary backfield.

829
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: Number three was everywhere, And it was sort of how

830
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 4: they used him and what they enabled him to do.

831
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: And so I've got a lot of Heisman's, a lot

832
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: of you know, stiff arms and get away but based

833
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: on what I've been able to glean, they basically just

834
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: allowed him to have his eyes on the quarterback a

835
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: lot more and to be in a position where if

836
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: he decided, like his tackle for loss in this last.

837
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: Game unbelievable by the way, And if you see.

838
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: He recognizes run and when Nick Ross says he plays

839
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 4: like a bullet, he shoots his gun, he's just gone.

840
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: He was gone.

841
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 4: So they devised a defense where he has the ability

842
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: to do that. So if he decides to do that

843
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: in the moment in real time, everyone else adjusts accordingly.

844
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: So that's where the scheme does come in. So they

845
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 4: did adjust that this year. So if Buddha shoots and

846
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: goes into the backfield, he's not taking the risk of

847
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 4: his assignment not being covered a deep third for example,

848
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: or something like that. So the rest of the defenders

849
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: would have their eye on the offense, obviously, but they

850
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: also have half an eye a number three, and if

851
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: he decides to go okay, you react accordingly. And then

852
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: they also danny to your point, not only did they

853
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: use them a lot of different ways, but they used him

854
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: more inside from I'm told so he was he was closer,

855
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: He was more to the center of the field, so

856
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 4: teams wouldn't be able to go to one side or

857
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: the other to get away from him, and so that

858
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 4: was another way. He was constantly around the football.

859
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 5: It is a blessing for both sides that Baker decided

860
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: to sign a contract extension before the regular season ended.

861
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: It's very clear this front office and coaching staff sees

862
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 5: Baker as the future on this defense. And the fact

863
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: that Baker, who's been here his entire career, didn't even

864
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: want to test the market, says a lot about what's

865
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 5: going on behind closed doors. And that's somebody who when

866
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 5: all these changes went down, there were reports that Baker

867
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: didn't want to play here, and clearly something has changed

868
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: with what he has seen and how they are deploying

869
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: him and the defense as a whole. The team as

870
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: a whole, in the culture, where the priorities are and

871
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 5: where this team is headed. That signing alone, extending Buddha

872
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 5: Baker should tell every fan exactly what is going on.

873
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: And that's a good sign.

874
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: And I think it's just kudos to Rowlis and JG

875
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: just for the ability to unlock him directly. I mean,

876
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: what do coaches do. They get the most out of

877
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: their players, and when you realize you have a dynamic

878
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: All Pro player, you allow him to be as productive

879
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: as he can be.

880
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 5: Rookie Rabbit Taylor Demerson talked about that at his locker.

881
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: I was asking him about the coaching staff because Gannon

882
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 5: has made it very clear you're not just going to

883
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: see the field because you're a draft pick, and so

884
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 5: we feel like we got to play you. Everybody who's

885
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: on the field has earned it, earned it in the

886
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 5: practice reps, in the meeting rooms, watching film, the process,

887
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: and putting the team over themselves. And Rabbit was saying

888
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: how the coaches in every position room put in so

889
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: much time and effort to make sure they are doing

890
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: the best job they can to get the most out

891
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 5: of their players. That's how you get the best performance.

892
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: Is not necessarily having a scheme set up and forcing

893
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: players into what you want from them. It's what does

894
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 5: every individual player do best? How can that one work

895
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: together for what the goal is of the scheme, and

896
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 5: then also how can you unlock those individual skill sets

897
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 5: so you are getting the most out of every player.

898
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 5: And it's not just Baker. You saw a lot of

899
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 5: good things from outside linebackers Daven Collins, who's doing a

900
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: lot more than just rushing the passer. You can go

901
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: through a whole list on that defense, specifically under rawless

902
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 5: of players that you saw jump this year. Being more

903
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: comfortable in year two in this scheme and being able

904
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 5: to rely on those natural instincts a little bit more,

905
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: not having to think as much.

906
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: I think it's I think we'll come to learn or

907
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: at least something that makes me bullish about this team

908
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 4: going forward. When you look at this coaching staff, was

909
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 4: their ability to adapt and adjust after year one. In

910
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 4: the NFC West, for example, Karen Williams in the two

911
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: games in twenty twenty three, absolutely rushed the Cardinals over

912
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: three hundred yards, rushing three touchdowns. They had no answer

913
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: in both games this year. He was almost a non factor.

914
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 4: They made that adjustment. You saw what they were able

915
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: to do in sweeping the forty nine ers, what they

916
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: did in that second half adjustments at halftime in Santa Clair.

917
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 4: They came out of that second half three takeaways in

918
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: a turnover on downs. You know, Kenneth Walker and Zach

919
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: Charboney didn't wreck the game against Seattle. They were able

920
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: to fit those guys other reasons, you know, factors led

921
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: to losses. I get it. But if you're giving me

922
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: reasons to be bullish this coaching staff and their ability

923
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: to compete in the division and at least evolve from

924
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: year one to year two and be so competitive because

925
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: we can have the argument and a lot has been

926
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 4: said about the overall talent level on defense, right, and

927
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: the fact that you had seventeen different guys with a sack.

928
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: I would say that was out of necessity. Even Buddha

929
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: Baker said in his last media appearance, Yeah, early in

930
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: the year, we had problems affecting the quarterback. We had

931
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: problems fitting the run, Jonathan Gannon said earlier in the year.

932
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: He was just brutally honest. He said, we've had problems

933
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: stopping the run even when we loaded the box. But

934
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: they were able to make those adjustments over the course

935
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: of the season where it wasn't nearly the liability. And

936
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: I know Wolf loved the comment from JG at his

937
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: final press conference on the Monday after the season where

938
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: he said, I'm disappointed we're not playing right now. That

939
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: falls on me first and it's our own doing. I

940
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: also told the team in the final team meeting, the

941
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 4: game is fair, we shouldn't be playing right now, and

942
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: that's tough to take on the chin.

943
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: It's very parcels. Your record is what, yes, what you

944
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: are kind of feel to it.

945
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: But overall, if you want to look at two years

946
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 4: of Jonathan Gann as a Cardinal's head coach, first and foremost,

947
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: beyond anything, accountability, I would say that's what he's brought. Yes,

948
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: he's brought more of a physical style of football, but

949
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: it's that accountability and when your players talk and they're

950
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 4: in team meetings and they never know if the coach

951
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: is going to call on them or it brings that

952
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: extra level of preparation. You don't want to be the

953
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: guy who gets called on in a team meeting and

954
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 4: doesn't have an answer.

955
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 5: There's a big question mark on this defense going into

956
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: the off season linebacker Kaiseier White. I'm sure you were

957
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: the first to see this on Instagram, Paul.

958
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: White posted, I was looking at classic car videos.

959
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 5: On Instagram and a carousel of photos from the season

960
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 5: and captioned it, thank you a z And then you

961
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: look at the comments and it's all his teammates thanking

962
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 5: him and how much they're going to miss him and

963
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: to go get what he deserves. Makes you wonder, is

964
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 5: Kaisier White going to be in Arizona Cardinal next year

965
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 5: so you're gonna test the free agency market.

966
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: It was it was the comments that I mean it

967
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: Kayzier's post alone. I mean, that could have just been

968
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: end of the year stuff. It was the comments, They're like, Okay,

969
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: what are they talking about in the locker room that

970
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: we don't know about.

971
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: It was a masterful post because it could have meant anything.

972
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: It was sort of the rarshack or what is it,

973
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: the yeah, the ink blot of social media posts, because

974
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 4: what does it.

975
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: It's that time of season. The cryptic athlete social post.

976
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: Yes yes, that might have been penned by the agent

977
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: said you might be well served to just go ahead

978
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: and send this out. Posted accordingly, and keep an eye on. Yeah,

979
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, give everyone something to think about.

980
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: You know, speaking of thinking about, how about Drew Petsing

981
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: getting an interview with the Bears as a head coach.

982
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: Interesting. So the connection is Kevin Warren because Kevin Warren

983
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: was the president of the Vikings back in the twenty

984
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty nineteen or so when Drew Petsen was there,

985
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: and they have that connection. So if someone who would

986
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 4: be the current Bears president, who in between, by the way,

987
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: was the Big ten commissioner, Kevin Warren, who's a local

988
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 4: guy now he owned a house in the valley not

989
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: too long ago, might still.

990
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: See the one who tried to buy the Vikings once

991
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: upon a time.

992
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: Yes, him and someone else, and then he ended up

993
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: working for the Wolves and so yes, so there's a

994
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: long story to that long yeah. But yeah, the Bears

995
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: head coaching list is lengthy as well. Not the Jets,

996
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: but it's pretty lengthy as well. It is.

997
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing. I think it'll be good

998
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: for him to get an interview. I don't think any

999
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: betting people, not that I would ever wager, would put

1000
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: Drew Petsing high on the list of probability to be

1001
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: the Bears coach. But it did give Jonathan Gannon a

1002
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: chance to talk a little bit about his offensive coordinator.

1003
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: And then the conversation came up about Kyler Murray, who,

1004
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: by the way again and went on Arizona Sports and

1005
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: said when he was asked of Yler Murray was the

1006
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: starting quarterback, the quarterback for next year for the Cardinals.

1007
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: And then he did say this about Petsing uh and

1008
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: Kyler talking about the offense. For Kyler, it's Taylor fit

1009
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: for him. It's one of the reasons I hired Drew

1010
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: as in Petsing I knew that he was the guy

1011
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to play with, and I wanted the system

1012
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: fit in my mind to what his skill set was

1013
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: and is and will grow and continue to develop. So

1014
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: everybody who might have questions a who the quarterback is

1015
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: going to be around here next year, because I know

1016
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: there's people that are like, are they going to stick

1017
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: with Kyler? Yeah, they're going to stick with Kyler and

1018
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: everybody who's brought up are they going to stick with Petsing?

1019
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: Sure sounds like unless he gets a head coaching job,

1020
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: they're going to stick with Petsing Two.

1021
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 4: Do you see where the Cleveland Browns started their fortieth

1022
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 4: different quarterbacks since nineteen ninety nine. I know the grass

1023
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 4: is always greener. And when people say, you know what, yeah,

1024
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: let's upgrade this position, let's upgrade that position, And there's

1025
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: always discussion about the quarterback, if not Kyler, than whom

1026
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: And is there anywhere close to a guarantee you're going

1027
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: to get an upgrade?

1028
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 5: No?

1029
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: I mean the job of any NFL general manager is

1030
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: to get better at every single position. But is it

1031
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: feasible or realistic, doable or plausible that you could actually

1032
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 4: go into the market this offseason and come up with

1033
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: a better answer a quarterback than Kyler Murray.

1034
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 5: Consistency is key for a team. So all the fans

1035
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 5: that are clamoring about the year that Marvin Harrison Junior had,

1036
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 5: you're suggesting that you bring in a new rookie and

1037
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 5: you think that's going to help elevate his game, just

1038
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 5: as a specific example, not even taking into account everybody

1039
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 5: else who would be affected by that. You're right, you're

1040
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 5: not going to find a better quarterback for what they

1041
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: want to do in this offense. And I think that

1042
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 5: you saw a good start, maybe not start because last

1043
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 5: year you did half a season with Murray, but having

1044
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: the fall off season, having the full year, you could

1045
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 5: tell that Murray was comfortable and that he trusts Petsing

1046
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 5: as the offensive coordinator. Think about years prior how many

1047
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 5: times Gardinals were having to burn time outs because calls

1048
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: weren't getting place, you know, sent to the quarterback in

1049
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 5: time and there were just done creation right.

1050
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: All of that.

1051
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: So you have to, you know, take a step back

1052
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 5: and see it for what it is. And you're right,

1053
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 5: the grass is not always greener.

1054
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: I saw this too. I was looking forward. Here it

1055
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 4: is Colts GM Chris Ballard, who's going to get a

1056
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: ninth year as the Colts GM. Ever since Andrew Luck retired,

1057
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: he's gone through Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Nick Foles, Gardner, Minshew,

1058
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco, and Anthony Richardson. How's that going in Indianapolis?

1059
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, we could do the shorter list. Kurt Warner retires

1060
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: and you get Matt Liinert kind of Derek Anderson, Max Hall,

1061
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: Rich Bartel, John Skelton, Kevin Cobb.

1062
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, yes, until you trade.

1063
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: For Carson Palmer. And when they traded for Carson Palmer.

1064
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: By the way, there were many people going, why are

1065
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: you trading for Carson Palmer?

1066
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 4: He's done, seventh round pick for Carson Palmer.

1067
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: So again, I guess I'm a I completely understand where

1068
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: fans will get frustrated. Do not get me mixed up

1069
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: with saying otherwise. I'm not blaming fans for feeling that

1070
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of way about Kyler Murray. But if you have

1071
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: been a long term fan, you've been a fan of

1072
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: this team when they weren't sure what the quarterback was

1073
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: going to be. And it's no bueno.

1074
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: What's the list around the league of coaching vacancies. You've

1075
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 5: got Chicago, the Jets, the Titans, the Titans, the GM,

1076
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 5: the Raiders, Saints, Yes.

1077
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 4: Patriots, Patriots.

1078
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 5: That's seven yep, so.

1079
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: Meaning what's uh? And the point you're driving.

1080
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 5: At with all that, I'm just trying to wrap your

1081
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 5: head around it, right, is how many availability options are there?

1082
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: And then there's the maybe the Cowboys.

1083
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: Yes, if the Cowboys are up, sure, looks like that's

1084
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy is going to end up in a job

1085
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: somewhere else. And then so if the Cowboys open, I

1086
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Speaker 2: would think one of those other openings closes, right.

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Speaker 5: You do you think maybe? Maybe not?

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Speaker 4: By the way, the last thought on Kyler real quick,

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00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: Calvin Beacham at his locker and someone did ask him,

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00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: you know about Kyler, and beach has been you know,

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Speaker 4: in the trust tree at different times of the last

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00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: few years about Kyler, and and as the elder statesman

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Speaker 4: and CEO of the locker room, if you will, Kelvin

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Speaker 4: Beachum said, and I have it right here. I'm proud

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Speaker 4: of him honestly continuing to get better as a player,

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00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: and he needs to continue to work on the details.

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Speaker 4: And there's a locker room. That's something we tall talk

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00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: about and we all think through and we've all talked

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Speaker 4: to improve ourselves as it pertains to the details. He

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Speaker 4: pointed that a couple of times as maybe being behind

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Speaker 4: pre buy versus post buy whatever you know, because when

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Speaker 4: it comes down to executing, especially at the end of games,

1103
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 4: always comes down to the little things. There are big

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Speaker 4: things in the NFL. Nobody knows better than a super

1105
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: vet like Kelvin Beacham. But he's rapped by saying about Kyler.

1106
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: This franchise looks to the future and Kyler has to

1107
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Speaker 4: be the guy he has to be the alpha, the leader.

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: That's the nature of it, and I really think he's

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Speaker 4: coming into that role. That was Kelvin Beachum. I thought

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Speaker 4: that was really interesting. So my final analogy I'm going

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00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: to throw out there.

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Speaker 2: Wait before you get to your analogy, because I want

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00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: you to have the last word. We did. We did

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Speaker 2: the math wrong that that dinner we were talking about earlier.

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00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: It would have been like eighty seven hundred dollars a person,

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00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: not seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, still doable math. You had to account for the tip.

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Speaker 4: That's the increase in. Yeah, I'm gonna violate my rule.

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Speaker 2: Here and a lot of rusau.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a pet peeve I have. I don't

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 4: like when people go through like give you a recap

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00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: of a movie. Okay, I want don't like give you

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 4: like people feel compelled to tell you about like an

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00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: entire movie and give you a recap the purge.

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Speaker 5: Hey did you see Wicked? It was about ABCD Yeah, and.

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00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: Then thirteen minutes later you're like, okay, I'll get ready

1127
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: to fling yourself out the window, you know that kind

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Speaker 4: of So I'm wondering if I can boil this down

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Speaker 4: because I'm gonna draw an analogy to where the cardinals

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00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: are in this scene in the movie Ford versus Ferrari.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen a Paul oh, I have seen that one.

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00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: Well done, Danny, thank you absolutely. Ask me what she

1133
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 4: hasn't seen ghost? She didn't even know what ghost was.

1134
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: Sounds like he's taking that poisonal a little bit. So

1135
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: there's a scene. It's it's about as Danny knows Darren.

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00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: It's a it's a real life story. It is a

1137
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 4: sports story because auto racing is sports, all right, is athletics, Okay,

1138
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 4: baseball players with hand eye are athletes, the most definitely

1139
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 4: race car drivers are. And it was about Ford's pursuit

1140
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 4: of trying to end the dominance of Ferrari in the

1141
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: mid sixties, at the twenty four Hours of Lamont, they

1142
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: were absolutely dominant. And so they're going to decide to

1143
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 4: build a race car from scratch. They hire the great

1144
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 4: Carol Shelby. All Right, Shelby Mustangs. Maybe you heard of that.

1145
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: It's a real guy. He was a real dude in

1146
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 4: the mid sixties. He takes over the team and he

1147
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 4: builds it from scratch with the blessing up the deuce

1148
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 4: Henry Ford, the second grandson of Henry Ford, and the

1149
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 4: first trial run, they go out to a race and

1150
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: it's a disaster. Okay, a lot of stuff breaks, you know,

1151
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: And there's the famous scene is he calls him into

1152
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 4: the big office at Fort Headquarters. Give me one reason

1153
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: why I shouldn't fire you right now, Carol Shelby, and

1154
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: he says to the deuce, yeah, we had some problems

1155
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 4: with breaking. We haven't learned how to corner yet. We

1156
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 4: can't stay cool. Heck, we don't know if our paint

1157
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 4: chop is going to last twenty four hours. But on

1158
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: the backstraight, twenty three hours into the race, we had

1159
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 4: two hundred and eighteen miles per hour, and we've got

1160
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 4: Enzo Ferrari exactly where we want him. And the dude says,

1161
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 4: expand all Enzo Ferrari ain't ever seen a cargo that fast,

1162
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: and he knows as soon as you make the other

1163
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: adjustments and figure out the other little things, we've got

1164
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: the most important thing down. And sure enough, the next

1165
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: year they took down Ferrari for the first time, and

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: they won it four or five.

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Speaker 2: Years in a row.

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Speaker 5: You just ruined the whole movie for Darren.

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00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 4: He'll never watch it, even though he's from Detroit, and

1170
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: it should absolutely be on his list.

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: When I was born, my father was working at the

1172
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Speaker 2: Henry Ford Museum.

1173
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: That's okay, it's criminal, and it's egregious on your part.

1174
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: My point is, as Danny wonders, what the heck is

1175
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: the point of that story. The Arizona Cardinals are a

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00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: top seven running team in the NFL, number two in

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00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: yards per carry. They came in with the intent to

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00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 4: be a physical team and run the ball.

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: Sounds like two hundred eighteen miles an hour to me.

1180
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: And they're running the ball better than any team in

1181
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: the NFC West, including the forty nine ers, including a

1182
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 4: Seahawks team with Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonay, including Sean

1183
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: mcvayh and Kyron Williams. They're running the ball better than

1184
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: any team in the division. Now, they just got to

1185
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: figure out some of the other things because the run

1186
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 4: game is down, and that's based on the physicality. And

1187
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 4: what are the other teams saying after they play the Cardinals.

1188
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: That's a physical team, and you can see in their

1189
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: eyes they're like, as soon as they get some of

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 4: the other things right, they build some of the other

1191
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 4: components of that team. Look out.

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Speaker 5: That was a really good analogy, Paul.

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Speaker 4: That's my comparison.

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: Darren was Omo. Darren was at thirteen minutes. I was

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: a good analogy. I will give you that one. And

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: you really didn't ruin anything for me because it was

1197
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Speaker 2: like a real life story. It's not like you can't

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Speaker 2: go find it on Wikipedia exactly exactly. I will say that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you're right, I probably won't go watch that. That

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Speaker 2: might you never know.

1201
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: I've thought about Christian Bale. It's Matt Damon, you know.

1202
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: I meant a good actors some list move.

1203
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: I've heard it's a good movie.

1204
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 5: But did you hear that from Paul?

1205
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 2: Yes? Actually I did.

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00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: Did you enjoy that?

1207
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Speaker 2: What I will not be watching is the Purge.

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Speaker 5: Which one any of them?

1209
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: Any of them? Yeah?

1210
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Well.

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll be watching Rex Ryan if

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00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: he's coaching the Jets either.

1213
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: That's too bad, Darren, because once again this off season

1214
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: will mark the six Purge movie. After the Purge, the

1215
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 4: Purge Anarchy, the Purge Election. You're the first Purge in

1216
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: the Forever Purge, The Big Red Purge off season twenty

1217
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Come here, you're talking about on the football side, right,

1219
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: yes

1220
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 4: Well, unless you know something that we don't, you're insured,

1221
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 4: you're in certain meetings that we're not, and we'll leave

1222
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