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Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be joined in studio this

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Speaker 2: morning by Anthony Aguilar. He has been speaking out about

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Speaker 2: what he saw as part of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

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Speaker 2: He's also retired military veteran former Green Bray. Welcome, glad

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Speaker 2: to have you.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, sir, Thank thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Just tell us a little bit about you and how

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Speaker 2: you came to be working in Gaza with GHF to

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Speaker 2: begin with.

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Speaker 5: So recently retired living in North Carolina, I was called

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Speaker 5: by UG Solutions.

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Speaker 4: In mid May May thirteenth.

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Speaker 5: They were specifically looking for individuals with a special operations

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Speaker 5: background who were recently retired or had recently left the

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Speaker 5: service that had you know, currency, I had just retired

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Speaker 5: in March, so they called me. When they first called me,

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Speaker 5: had I had never heard of UG Solutions, And to me,

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Speaker 5: that was a little bit odd because I've been pretty

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Speaker 5: familiar with contracting the companies. So I did some research

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Speaker 5: and I got back to them and I said, hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm interested. Give me your thirty second pitch. And

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Speaker 5: they said, hey, we're going to go into Gaza to

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Speaker 5: deliver humanitarian aid. Our company was selected to do the

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Speaker 5: Naessareine Corridor mission, the checkpoint in January through March, and

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Speaker 5: we got selected to go back and do this humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 5: So that's how I got hired and ended up about

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Speaker 5: three days later, ended up on a plane to Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so just again just to give your background, your

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Speaker 3: lieutenant colonel retired from the US arm versus you served

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Speaker 3: in the Green Beret. How many tours abroad can you do?

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Speaker 3: Just establish your military record for US.

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Speaker 5: So a total of twelve deployments. Nine of those are

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Speaker 5: we're combat deployments. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria to Jikistan, Southern Philippines,

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Speaker 5: all throughout Southeast Asia and Purple Heart recipient. I was

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Speaker 5: wounded in combat in two thousand and five, and those

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Speaker 5: of Iraq and I commanded at every level from when

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Speaker 5: I commissioned at West Point as an infantry officer, through

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Speaker 5: my time trying out and being selected for special forces,

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Speaker 5: and then commanding through special Forces up to the battalion

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Speaker 5: level before I eventually retired.

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Speaker 4: Got it.

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Speaker 2: So take us from the beginning. I know I watched

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Speaker 2: your other interviews. You came in on a tourist visa, correct,

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Speaker 2: and where.

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Speaker 4: Do you go? What do you see?

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Speaker 1: First day?

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Speaker 5: First impressions, First day, first impressions, not impressed. Things coming

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Speaker 5: into the airport in Tel Aviv were very organized. We

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Speaker 5: waited there for a very long time. It became evident

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Speaker 5: to me that whomever was in charge of the of

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Speaker 5: the processing for two hundred and seventy seven tourists of

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Speaker 5: each entrance under a company that did not do their

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Speaker 5: their due diligence and pre coordination. So and then from

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Speaker 5: there we went to the city of ash Duod, where

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Speaker 5: we had a briefing and the questions that opened up

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Speaker 5: very The very first question I remember because this question

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Speaker 5: was asked when we were still in Virginia, is, you know, leadership,

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Speaker 5: we're here on a tourist visa. What are our rules

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Speaker 5: of engagement, what are the escalation of force procedures? And

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Speaker 5: what is our legal protections in Israel being armed as tourists?

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Speaker 5: And the response to that was, why do you need

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Speaker 5: to know that if you're threatened?

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Speaker 4: Shoot?

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Speaker 5: My response to that, I didn't ask the question. I'm

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Speaker 5: sitting in the crowd, but I was. I was physically aghast.

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Speaker 5: I was just like, well, what, like I was concerned, I.

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Speaker 3: Cover the Pentagon, So just can you explain how extraordinary

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Speaker 3: Armed Forces most other militaries will set out very specifically

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Speaker 5: So UG Solutions as a subcontract for security is not

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Speaker 5: a military organization. This is not a government contract. Which

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Speaker 5: is more concerning. If I go into a country, whether

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Speaker 5: it's for combat operations or security operations, I'm protected by

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Speaker 5: a status of Horses agreement and or Title ten authority

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Speaker 5: granted by the Constitution for me to be there as

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Speaker 4: I have legal protection.

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Speaker 5: When I'm in Israel and I'm an American citizen on

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Speaker 5: a tourist visa, I'm one of the same status if

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Speaker 5: my grandmother went to go visit Jerusalem, that's right. I'm

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Speaker 5: just there as a tourist walking around and having an

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Speaker 5: armed immediately day one.

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Speaker 4: First step, don't pass go.

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Speaker 5: We are already violating in an national law right off the bat.

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Speaker 5: We weren't there on a you know, I and I

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Speaker 5: thoroughly looked this up because I was concerned because they

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Speaker 5: I asked them. I said, when I did my visa

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Speaker 5: and we came here and they stamped my visa and

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Speaker 5: I read it, it says be two entry visa and

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Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, yeah. I was like, that's a tourist visa.

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Speaker 5: They're like, I don't think it is. I'm like, it

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Speaker 5: says it clearly tourist. So that's concerning. It just seemed

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Speaker 5: there was there was a lot of lack of understanding.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to sound cruel, but ignorance in its definition,

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Speaker 5: there was ignorance to the process. It almost seemed like

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Speaker 5: a if you know, if a child were given a

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Speaker 5: project that was far beyond their means, that they just

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Speaker 5: don't have the capacity to understand something that is magnitude.

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Speaker 2: So your initial impression is one of incompetence, let's say,

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Speaker 2: lack of planning. Yes, you get into t Gaza, you

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Speaker 2: go to these distribution sites, and then what do you

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Speaker 2: see that moves you from this is incompetent to this

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Speaker 2: as a whoror and in no way should American taxpayers

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Speaker 2: be associated with it.

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Speaker 5: That's a great question because I was with the first,

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Speaker 5: not amongst the first or one of the first. I

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Speaker 5: was with the very first group that went into Gaza

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Speaker 5: to do a site assessment of each of the distribution sites.

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Speaker 5: No Americans had been to these sites yet, but they

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Speaker 5: were already built and already established. So it was kind

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Speaker 5: of like the Hey, we built the house for you,

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Speaker 5: come come get it. Not what was supposed to happen.

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Speaker 5: We were supposed to have in depth participation in the

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Speaker 5: building in placement didn't happen. The IDF built them. I

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Speaker 5: had my map, We're going to the locations. Prior to that,

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Speaker 5: the Israeli Defense Forces had given us a brief on

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Speaker 5: where they were conducting combat operations. Over twenty five years

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Speaker 5: in the Army, I've gotten pretty good at reading a

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Speaker 5: map and looking at operational graphics. And when I saw

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Speaker 5: where the sites were and I saw where the Israeli

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Speaker 5: forces were operating, at first I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: I thought, maybe something's wrong. I'll wait when I get there.

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Speaker 5: Because distribution sites one, two, three, and four in central

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Speaker 5: Gaza are all established within an active combat zone. So

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Speaker 5: someone might say, well, all of Gaza is a war zone.

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Speaker 5: I would disagree with that, But if we take that

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Speaker 5: premise to be true, if all of Gaza is a

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Speaker 5: war zone, there are certain areas where there is active

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Speaker 5: combat operations. So, particularly in the South, Operation Gideon's Chariots,

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Speaker 5: it's an offensive operation the idea for conducting as we speak,

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Speaker 5: it's very violent, it's very aggressive. Tanks, infantry, rockets, missiles, artillery,

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Speaker 5: and all three distribution sites in the South are directly

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the primary engagement area of a

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Speaker 5: combat zone. Again a violation of the protocols of the

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Speaker 2: You're asking starving people basically to have to walk kilometers

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Speaker 2: through an active combat zone and even to get to

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Speaker 2: these distribution points.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we are deliberately establishing a service water, food, medicine.

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Speaker 5: We are deliberately establishing a service that is designated for

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Speaker 5: civilians in an area that then forces them to go

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Speaker 5: through an operational combat zone to get to it.

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Speaker 4: They were built that way.

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Speaker 5: So when you see in the news and you hear

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Speaker 5: about oh, these things have become death traps, they were

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Speaker 5: built as death traps from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: How soon do you realize this day one? Day one

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Speaker 1: you're on it.

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Speaker 4: I go to the site.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: First when we approach the site. Now I'll remember this

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Speaker 5: for the rest of my life. As we're driving down

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Speaker 5: the Philadelphi Corridor heading towards the Mediterranean. Site Number one

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Speaker 5: is the Furthest West. The road that breaks off to

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Speaker 5: it is near a place that used to be called

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Speaker 5: the Swedish Hospital, which is now leveled rubble. And as

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Speaker 5: it's pretty open there. And as we approach the point,

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Speaker 5: I can see that it's wrapped in what they call

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Speaker 5: triple strand barbed wire common in the military, as not

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Speaker 5: uncommon to see that to protect an area. But as

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Speaker 5: which is often used for obstacles. It was razor wire.

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Speaker 5: Razor wire is specifically annotated in the Geneva Convention that

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Speaker 5: it cannot be used to surround or protect an area

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Speaker 5: that's designated for civilian use.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about I know you've told this story before,

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Speaker 2: heard it. Tell us about a mirror and how this

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Speaker 2: is sort of a breaking point before you. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have a photo of that, and we also have some

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Speaker 2: other images that you provided with our team with that.

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Speaker 4: We can put up on the screen. So, this young

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Speaker 5: I do not speak Arabic fluently, but I do know

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Speaker 4: What's your name? How are you? Hello? Thank you? This

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Speaker 5: Distribution site number two on the twenty eighth of May.

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Speaker 5: The boy you see here, he was with the the

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Speaker 5: remaining of the group what I call the eight Minutes

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Speaker 5: of Madness or the eight minutes of Mayhem. In the

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Speaker 5: first opening minutes of distribution, a crowd of eight to

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Speaker 5: nine thousand people fled the site in one big wave

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Speaker 5: and within eight minutes, twenty five thousand boxes of eight

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Speaker 4: They get nothing.

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Speaker 5: So as you can see in his hands, he doesn't

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Speaker 5: have a box of aid, he doesn't have a meal

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Speaker 5: or a box. He picked those things up off the

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Speaker 5: ground variants varying remnants of rice and beans. And as

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Speaker 5: you can see in the first picture to the bottom right,

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Speaker 5: he was hurt, or he was going to ask for

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Speaker 5: more food, or there was something wrong. But when he walked

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Speaker 5: and he wasn't asking for anything. And myself and the

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Speaker 5: other contract are standing next to me, we were like,

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Speaker 5: UG Solutions contractors. We were the only ones that had

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Speaker 5: Yes, is the United States with US citizens on a

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Speaker 5: They are France, Canada, the United Kingdom, They're all coming

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Speaker 2: You know, what we hear sometimes from defenders is effectively well,

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Speaker 2: we've heard comparisons made to US actions in World War Two.

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Speaker 5: I have being deployed as long as I have, and

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Speaker 5: It is the most brutal, unproportional use of force that

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Speaker 4: I would say, what is your comparative reference?

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Speaker 5: Because I'll tell you, war is hell, but when we

440
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Speaker 5: commit war crimes, we hold people accountable. Did war crimes

441
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 5: occur in World War Two?

442
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Speaker 4: Yes?

443
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: Did war crimes occur in Vietnam Melai, Yes? Did war

444
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: crimes occur in the Gulf War?

445
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Speaker 4: Yes?

446
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Speaker 5: And at every opportunity America has looked at that and said,

447
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: we will hold our soldiers accountable. Now in Gaza with

448
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 5: the ugs, they're not soldiers, but they're still American citizens,

449
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 5: and they're there on a tourist visa. They're even exposed

450
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Speaker 5: to not just US law, but international law. And I

451
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: brought this to the leadership attention from the beginning. You

452
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 5: are setting us all up for a lot of risk.

453
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Speaker 5: Here's here's the other option. It takes some time and

454
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Speaker 5: it costs money, but you can get this. This it's

455
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Speaker 5: called it's called a general access visa, to where if

456
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Speaker 5: you're there as a is a subject matter expert, or

457
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Speaker 5: as a invited by the government, it gets approved by

458
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Speaker 5: the Ministry of Defense. It takes a little bit longer,

459
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Speaker 5: and it costs a lot more. When we went into

460
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Speaker 5: Gaza with our tours visa, we had to pay for

461
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 5: it ourselves twenty five dollars. You can do it online.

462
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 5: It takes about three minutes. Boom, you got a tours visa.

463
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Speaker 3: So you are rolling into Gaza with a fully automatic

464
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Speaker 3: weapon in in kit outlined as a tourist entering Gaza

465
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Speaker 3: with no protection, as you're saying, provided here by the company. Now,

466
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Speaker 3: before we get to that, I do want to give

467
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Speaker 3: you some opportunities to also respond to the Gaza Humanitarian

468
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Speaker 3: Foundations made some pretty serious accusations. Yes, you, But before

469
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Speaker 3: we even get to that, I'm curious had you thought

470
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Speaker 3: much about Israel Palestine before we even went over there,

471
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Speaker 3: Like what were your views on the conflict? Yes, your

472
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Speaker 3: personal orientation. People are attacking you, so I want to

473
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Speaker 3: give you the chance.

474
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Speaker 5: So when we first got to Israel, yeah, I thought

475
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Speaker 5: it would be prudent and responsible to understand. Again, I'm

476
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Speaker 5: not there as a combatant, I'm not there as a

477
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Speaker 5: belligerent in war, but I felt it would be important

478
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Speaker 5: to understand Israel's side of this. Now, had Samas committed

479
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: atrocities before October seventh, sure, But as a point of reference,

480
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Speaker 5: I went to Kaibutsbierri, which is outside Gate ninety six.

481
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Speaker 5: Gate ninety six is where Hamas busted through on October seventh.

482
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Speaker 5: That's where you saw all the fighters coming through, and

483
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Speaker 5: the first place they hit was Kabutzbieri and it was brutal,

484
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: violent animals, microwaving babies, killing women and children, three hundred

485
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Speaker 5: and thirty three dead. Horrible, and I went to the

486
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Speaker 5: Nova Film Festival site. Horrible made me sick to my stomach.

487
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Speaker 5: I absolutely understand the Israeli position on destroying Hamas. I

488
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Speaker 5: don't think many people would argue with that. However, when

489
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Speaker 5: we as a society, whether it's Israel one of our

490
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Speaker 5: closest allies, or US or any Western democracy, when we

491
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Speaker 5: label an entire population as the enemy, we have lost

492
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Speaker 5: our soul. That's not how democracies engage in the world.

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Speaker 5: So to anybody that says that I'm anti this or

494
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Speaker 5: anti that I'm not anti is that's I'm not anti Palestine.

495
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Speaker 5: I'm anti war crimes and crimes against humanity. That's what

496
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Speaker 5: I'm against.

497
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Speaker 3: The Gods of Humanitarian Foundation did respond to some of

498
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Speaker 3: the allegations that you've made and specifically highlighted some signal messages.

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Speaker 3: So guys, can we go ahead and play F two

500
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Speaker 3: for Colonel Anthey or for Colonel Aguilar, and then we

501
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Speaker 3: will get his response.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, please.

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Speaker 6: And mister Aguiler threatened Youug's solutions with retribution if he

504
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Speaker 6: wasn't hired back, and so the next day, on July fifteenth,

505
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Speaker 6: he wrote that he could be quote your best friend

506
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Speaker 6: or your worst nightmare. Stop effing around, put me back

507
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Speaker 6: to work, and let's get this mission done. In a

508
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Speaker 6: June twenty first message, mister Aguiler cited his personal family

509
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Speaker 6: needs when begging to be rehired. Mister Aguiler ended the

510
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Speaker 6: message with quote, figure something out, or I'm on a

511
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Speaker 6: plane come tuesday and the gloves are off.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, sir, do you accept that those

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Speaker 1: are real.

514
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Speaker 4: Message Those are real messages and I wrote them.

515
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they are real messages and you wrote them.

516
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Speaker 3: I think you can understand how given that some of

517
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Speaker 3: the signal messages, some sworn affidavits and others that come

518
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Speaker 3: out that yes, they're calling you a liar some of

519
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: the people who served with you in this mission. So

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: give us your response then for a reasonable explanation of

521
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: why it looks like you're threatening the company. Whenever you

522
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: were spread, after you were up, after you're departed, so

523
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: they claim you were fired you said to you left,

524
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Speaker 3: so go ahead and.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I always like to uh, you know,

527
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 5: when I travel, I always like to quote unquote, you know,

528
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 5: have the receipts. So again, I'd just like to share

529
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Speaker 5: a couple of things, because these were things that have

530
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 5: been brought up directly. I'm just sure I'm just directly responding.

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Speaker 5: So the signal chat messages I did write the way

532
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 5: they were picked were taken out of context, okay, But

533
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Speaker 5: to the audience, I would like to say, this is

534
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Speaker 5: my termination letter. The metadata on this document shows the

535
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 5: twelfth of June twenty twenty five. I wrote it at

536
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: seven thirty eight. I printed it at seven forty two.

537
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Speaker 5: Why would I write and print a document that I

538
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 5: didn't submit. I submitted it over signal Chat. Funny, they

539
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: didn't show that one. I gave it to the leadership.

540
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: I handed it to them on the thirteenth of June.

541
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Speaker 5: And I would like everybody to read this because what

542
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Speaker 5: I find interesting is that UG Solutions and GHF continue

543
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 5: to say they fired me, but to date they have

544
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 5: not produced a termination letter, an HR letter, nothing. Show

545
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 5: me your receipts. I'll show you I'll show you mine,

546
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: show me yours.

547
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Speaker 1: Can I read that for the audience?

548
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Speaker 4: Read it for the audience? Please go ahead?

549
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: All right?

550
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: So the quote this serves as my notification to UG

551
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: Solutions of termination of my employment contract as independent contractor

552
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Speaker 3: with UG Solutions in Israel Gaza, effective six thirteen, twenty

553
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Speaker 3: twenty five. My last day working will be Saturday, fourteen

554
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Speaker 3: June twenty twenty five. Due to the nature of how

555
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Speaker 3: operations are conducted, I can no longer support this operation.

556
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: I submit this of my own accord, and I understand

557
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Speaker 3: the contract obligations for equipment turn in. Anthony Aguwar six thirteen,

558
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

559
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Speaker 2: Can to ask when did you first raise concerns about

560
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Speaker 2: what you were saying?

561
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: Day one?

562
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Speaker 3: So how do you explain then some of the messages

563
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Speaker 3: there where you were saying how proud you were to

564
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Speaker 3: work for the GHF, because that's another one.

565
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Speaker 4: Of the stations.

566
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Speaker 5: So I want to clarify again, Yeah, I was not

567
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Speaker 5: proud to work for GHF.

568
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Speaker 4: I did not work for GHF or UG Solutions on.

569
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Speaker 5: UG Solutions, right, that's who I was subcontracted to work for. Okay, One,

570
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Speaker 5: I felt the mission was noble. Two I'm a leader.

571
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: Leaders don't complain down, they complain up. Did I bring

572
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Speaker 5: my concerns to the leadership at the level above me?

573
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: I absolutely did. But a lot of the of the contractors,

574
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Speaker 5: a lot of the Americans that were there are people

575
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Speaker 5: that I served with, Green Berets that I've served with,

576
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Speaker 5: men and women, the Americans that I served with. Just

577
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: because I retired from the Army in March doesn't mean

578
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 5: that I don't have those leader instincts anymore.

579
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Speaker 4: Sure I'm a leader.

580
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: Leaders don't don't prosperthetize the bad news. So things were horrible. However,

581
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 5: there were moments where we were doing good. I have

582
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 5: no qualm with the Americans that raised their right hand

583
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Speaker 5: and wanted to go in and do this mission. For

584
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: whatever their reason may have been, they volunteered to go

585
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Speaker 5: into a very dangerous place.

586
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: Hats off.

587
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: My issue is with the leadership that are executing this

588
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: mission for profit, who provided us with no legal protections,

589
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: who provided us with no training or rules of engagement,

590
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 5: who provided us with equipment way outside the means of

591
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: conducting a humanitarian aid mission. That's who it should be

592
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Speaker 5: held accountable. So to that point, these these positive messages

593
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Speaker 5: and then I'll get back to the ones that seem

594
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: like I'm threatening the company. I was specifically tasked by

595
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Speaker 5: the COO. I'm not going to say no, as they

596
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: know who they are. I'm going to respect these individuals.

597
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 5: The chief operating officer in country, so UG Solutions had

598
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 5: a COO in Israel and they had one back in

599
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: North Carolina, kind of like a home team away team.

600
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: On the first day of distribution, I shot a video

601
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Speaker 5: of some Palestinian men cheering, go Yay Trump, Yey Trump, Netanyahu,

602
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 5: we love you.

603
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: They wanted me to film it. I did.

604
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: I showed that to John when we got back to

605
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: the headquarters and he said, that's awesome.

606
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: Transfer that video to me.

607
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: I said, sure, I will, and they send it to

608
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: the It goes to President Trump, it goes to BB Netanyahu.

609
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: They watched it. President Trump watched it at his desk

610
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 5: and they said, you for now on, and I have

611
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 5: this in writing.

612
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: For now on. You when you go to.

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00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 5: Location, you're going to take pictures and you're going to

614
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: take video, and you're going to bring them back and

615
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: we're going to put him in this Google Drive because

616
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: we want to tell the story. We want to tell

617
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 5: the truth. Well you got the truth. You don't get

618
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: to pick and parcel what the truth is. Sometimes it's nice,

619
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Speaker 5: sometimes it's not so. Pictures that we saw I saw

620
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: some of the most heartwarming things I've seen in my life,

621
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Speaker 5: like a mirror. My heart melts. Did he die? Yes,

622
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 5: but not at the hands of UG Solutions. Here's the breakdown.

623
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Speaker 5: UG Solutions broke down their teams into a static team

624
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 5: that stayed on site and a mobile team. The mobile

625
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 5: team at each site. That message that I sent great job.

626
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: That wasn't two UG Solutions headquarters. That wasn't to GHF.

627
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 5: That was specifically to the mobile team operators because on

628
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: that day when they heard the shooting, they're in armored

629
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: trucks about eight hundred meters back and all they see

630
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 5: is the shooting, and then they hear things on the

631
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 5: news twenty seven people dead and taken to the Almaster

632
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: Hospital and they're like, man, what happened?

633
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: What's going on?

634
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: And I showed some of them this picture of like, hey,

635
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: it is tragic and it is horrible, but look at

636
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: what you did for this boy.

637
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: Look at what you did for this boy.

638
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 5: So the guys on mobile security that weren't there that

639
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 5: didn't see it.

640
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: Did I go up to me like, hey, this kid's dead.

641
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 5: No, look at what you've done, the positive things you

642
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: don't because that's what leaders do. Now, when GF GHF

643
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: did their press conference yesterday, it's completely understandable they don't

644
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 5: understand leadership because none of them have ever done it.

645
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: I'm not a finance manager, I'm not a PR firm director.

646
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: I'm not a hedge fund manager. I don't own my

647
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: own business. I don't have a podcast, I don't write books.

648
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: I'm not in politics. What I say is the truth

649
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 5: and there's no motive behind it. Not making money off

650
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 5: of this their profiteers.

651
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Speaker 1: How do you explain the messages.

652
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Speaker 5: That So the message is threatening, So the message with threatening,

653
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 5: That message the gloves are off was taken out of

654
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 5: context from a different conversation signal chat conversation that I

655
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Speaker 5: was specifically having with the COO State side toy. There

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00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: was two COO State side and I have the rest

657
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 5: of that conversation that they cut everything else of. On

658
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: the last day of my employment, you read this letter. Yes,

659
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 5: I was going to work to the thirteenth and I

660
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: will work to the fourteenth. You don't just drop the

661
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: ball on somebody. Fourteenth. On the fourteenth, the contract leader

662
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 5: came to my location in the north because we rotated

663
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: so I was in the northern checkpoint. He comes to

664
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: me and he says, what's with this resignation letter? Because

665
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: I signaled it to him, and I was like, I

666
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: can't work under UGS anymore. What I had done before

667
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 5: that is that the chief Operations officer for SRS had

668
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 5: coordinated for me to work for the Humanitarian Assistance Team

669
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: under SRS, going away from UG working humanitarian aid, not armed,

670
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: delivering aid that had already been worked out. So he

671
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 5: comes up and he's like, he calls me a slurry

672
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 5: of names, some horrible names you can only imagine, and

673
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 5: he said get out of here. So I was like, okay,

674
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 5: so all of us. You know, one of the comments

675
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: they made in there is that I stayed in a hotel.

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: We all stayed in a hotel. Every single UG contractor

677
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: stayed in a hotel. That's where we lived. So I

678
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 5: go back to the hotel. I get a call from

679
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: Nate Potter asking me to stay on, asking me to

680
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: stay to work.

681
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: What happened on.

682
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: That day is a senior UG Solutions staff member, an

683
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 5: adult slapped me in the face and knocked my phone

684
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: out of my hand. Because after I was told get

685
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: out of here, this individual and I won't name them,

686
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: but they know he's he's even in this letter as

687
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: the you know, they understood the claim of misconducts.

688
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: He slaps me.

689
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 5: That conversation of the gloves are off had to do

690
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: with my concerns for legal action because I explained to

691
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 5: Nate Potter, I said, he slapped me, he broke my phone.

692
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: That is assault consummated by battery. And I was told

693
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 5: by them, well he didn't. We talked to him and

694
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: he said he didn't hit.

695
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: You that hard. Hmm.

696
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: So now are they are they threatening you with legal action?

697
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 5: At this point to date, I have not received anything

698
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: in writing. I have received threats over the phone. July fourth,

699
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: July fifth, I can't remember the exact date. UG Solutions

700
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 5: CEO and COO.

701
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: The person that I talked to on the phone called

702
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: me and.

703
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: They had said like, hey, we know the uh we

704
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: know in the previous media anonymous media sources that was you,

705
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: and I want to tell the Tell America right now.

706
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 5: There's been four other anonymous contractors that have come out.

707
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: It's not me. There are other contractors that have seen

708
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 4: what I've seen.

709
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: So people are coming out, So I do want to

710
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: give you a response to this. They released a affidavit,

711
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: which was a sworn affidavit. You somebody who worked with you,

712
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: and I'm going to read directly. They say, my working

713
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 3: relationship with Tony Aguilar began. We both served as team leaders.

714
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: I observed as demeanor was often frantic and overly energetic,

715
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: which contrasted with the calm and professional conduct expected in

716
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: an operations center environment. His loud, rapid speech and rambling

717
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: communication stuff frequently created a chaotic atmosphere, causing discomfort among colleagues.

718
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: He created chaos and an environment which should be calm

719
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: and controlled.

720
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: Further challenges arose.

721
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: When he was removed as position as assistant Country team leader,

722
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: a role I was promoted to replace him in.

723
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: So I assume you know who this individual is.

724
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: He constantly deviated from our established communication plan, overlooked critical

725
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: details by communicating with mobility effectively. It goes on to

726
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: address your claims or non lethal munitions usage specifically, and

727
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: he says, I declare under penalty of perjury under the

728
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: laws of the United States of America. The foregoing is

729
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: true and correct. So how do you respond to that

730
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: other person you did replace you?

731
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: I don't know who that person is, Okay, because the

732
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: position that I was in, they.

733
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: Did black their name out.

734
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have that for the amage. Yeah, they redacted everything. Yeah,

735
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 5: so here I am name on the table who said that.

736
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: I don't know.

737
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: Okay, So.

738
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: Nobody replaced me because they created a position for me

739
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: while I was there. Came into the country on the

740
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: twentieth they promoted me site from site security operator to

741
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 5: Joint Tactical Operations Center Team leader bump promotion. On the

742
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 5: twenty sixth or twenty seventh of May, after the second

743
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 5: in charge left, they offered me that job. And when

744
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: I told them that I didn't feel comfortable taking on

745
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 5: that role, that I needed to someone needed to keep

746
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 5: hands on the wheels for the operations, they said, well,

747
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 5: we're going to keep you in that role, but we

748
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: want to we want to pay you the assistant team

749
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 5: leader rate.

750
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: We want to pay you that much.

751
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: Okay, So in a mere six days, they promoted me

752
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: twice and bump my pay up twice. After everything finished,

753
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: after all these affidavits and these sworn affidavits and everything

754
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: else after being promoted twice after a phone call from

755
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 5: the assistant country team leader on the twelfth of June

756
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: telling me, hey, you've been like, you're such a valuable

757
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 5: asset to the team in the center in the north.

758
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 5: Because Site four is going to get a lot more activity,

759
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 5: we want you to move up there.

760
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: You're doing great.

761
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 5: After everything is said and done, the twenty fifth of June,

762
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 5: when I was leading the country, mind you, on the fourteenth,

763
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 5: Iran and Israel went to war. So I'm in Israel

764
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: receiving rockets every day in Beersheva. When it was finally

765
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: time to leave the headquarters of UG Solutions, the headquarters

766
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: sends me this letter and I would like you to

767
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: read the first paragraph and ask, I'm the audience, does

768
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 5: that sound like someone that was fired?

769
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Dear Tony.

770
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: As your engagement with UG Solutions concludes, we extend our

771
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: gratitude for your contributions to our mission in Israel and Gaza.

772
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: We appreciate your flexibility and adaptability through the deployment and

773
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: your willingness to support the mission in a variety of ways.

774
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: While your current assignment ends. Please let us know if

775
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: you're interested in future opportunities with UG Solutions.

776
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 5: Would an employer offer a future opportunity to work with

777
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: UG Solutions if they had fired me?

778
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: Fair enough, I'm just asking the question.

779
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: That's the final And I understand this now sounds tedious,

780
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: but I do believe that your story is so important

781
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: that to address the accusations against you are vital.

782
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 4: And establishing your credibility.

783
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: That for everything that you said, So I just want

784
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: you to understand that, Audius.

785
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Understand that I appreciate the opportunity.

786
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: The signal message also was a claim that you tried

787
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: to get your job back as recently as two weeks. Well,

788
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: then what did the message The message that they put

789
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: in there was that you were asking for reemployment.

790
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: So how do you explain that.

791
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 4: Two weeks later? Yes?

792
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I I again in the in this packet

793
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 5: that they put out, everything is redacted, so I need

794
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: to I need to see that. I recall when this

795
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: letter was sent to me and when the COO and

796
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: co called me on the fourth of July. What the

797
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: signal message that they didn't include or the piece they

798
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 5: didn't include to the rest of that, I wasn't asking

799
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 5: for my job back. I said to them, I appreciate

800
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: the opportunity and the offer. I cannot work with UG Solutions.

801
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: Our values do not align. I cannot and I will not.

802
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 5: I respect the intent of the mission. I cannot work

803
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: with individuals that throw safety laws protocol out the window.

804
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: They didn't include that one.

805
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Got it?

806
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we'll wrap up here soon because I know,

807
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time with us. What was

808
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: your sense of who was in charge? Like, was gh

809
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: UG Solutions running the show? Who were they answering to?

810
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 6: You know?

811
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: Who was responsible for the setup in this way? Where

812
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: is the funding coming from? You know, what is what

813
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: is your understanding of that?

814
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: To date, no one can figure out where the funding

815
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 5: is coming from, to include the United States government. Our

816
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: Congress has been asking g h F and whoever its

817
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: backer is to reveal the who's paying for this? So

818
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 5: to date, that question it's a million dollar question. Who's

819
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: funding it? Show us your books? They refuse to, So

820
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 5: I don't know. G HF is is an idea. There's

821
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: there's the only people to GHF are Johnny Moore in

822
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 5: a microphone and his PR guy. That's what GHF is

823
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: SRS as the contract has all of the people doing

824
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: the work, How they're getting paid, I don't know, but

825
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: I do know because this was said to me to

826
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 5: my face after I witnessed an Israeli liaison officer telling

827
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 5: his snipers to open fire on three children to get

828
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 5: them off of a berm. On site number two, I

829
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 5: witnessed this. I was in the operation center. The gentleman,

830
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: the COO or the I don't know what positions they

831
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 5: had for SRS because I didn't work for them, but

832
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 5: a person that was in charge of operations in the

833
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: control center beckoned over to me. We go outside, and

834
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: he says, because the Israeli officers like shoot them, shoot.

835
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: Them, and I was like no.

836
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: This individual then tells me never say no to the client,

837
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: and I asked him. I was like, I'm confused, Like

838
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 5: walk me through this.

839
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: What do you mean? Who's the client?

840
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 5: So the IDF or our client, never say no to

841
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 5: the client and I was like, the IDF or our client.

842
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: I was like, are you telling me that this entire

843
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 5: contract like the IDF. He was like, we're not going

844
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 5: to get into that. But the IDF are our client.

845
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 5: So we have a combatant in a war, who is

846
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 5: our client, who dictate every site where we deliver, when

847
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 5: we deliver, how we deliver, who we deliver it to,

848
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 5: while they're engaged in a war. With all of these

849
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: issues going on that are just at this point just fact.

850
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 4: It's concerning. It has to be looked at.

851
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: If you could get a message to President Trump, what

852
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: would you tell him about this operation, about our support

853
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: of Israel's action in Gaza in general? What would you

854
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: want him to know? What would you want him to do?

855
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: My message to the president.

856
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: I think it was a very positive step that he

857
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 5: came out last week to say that there is starvation

858
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: in Gaza, because there is, and anybody that says different,

859
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: shame on you. The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation needs to be defunded.

860
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 5: It needs to stop. It is not humanitarian. They aren't

861
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 5: built to do humanitarian aid. Humanitarian assistance and humanitarian aid

862
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 5: aren't things you do as a weekend job.

863
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: Professionals do this.

864
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 5: There's an organization out there that is full of professionals

865
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 5: that have been doing this for eighty years, an organization

866
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 5: that we created, and that organization is called the United Nations,

867
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 5: and they're waiting. The United nations can deliver five hundred

868
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: trucks a day at four hundred sites and deliver food

869
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 5: to two point one million people a day. The reason

870
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 5: they can't go in is because Israel proclaimed they're giving

871
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 5: all the food to Hamas.

872
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: Well.

873
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 5: Over the last week of investigations, two agencies within Israel,

874
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 5: the USAID Western nations have all said that that's not true.

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Speaker 5: So the premise of having the Gaza Humanitarian Fund exist

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Speaker 5: has now been debunked.

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Speaker 3: While you were there, did you ever witness Hamas dealing

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Speaker 3: the eight?

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Speaker 4: No? What?

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Speaker 5: And I would ask this to anybody who is Hamas.

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Speaker 5: Do they walk around wearing a Hamas T shirt?

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Speaker 2: They do?

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Speaker 4: They give you a business card? Hey, I'm Hamas. How

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Speaker 4: do you know?

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Speaker 5: In all of my time on every site, I never

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Speaker 5: once witnessed anyone armed, anyone violent, anyone hostile. In my

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Speaker 5: entire days in Gaza, I didn't fire my weapon one time,

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Speaker 5: never threw one stung grenade or fired one spray of

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Speaker 5: tear gas because I didn't need to. I was greeted

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Speaker 5: with hugs and thank yous and gratitude. Even people starving

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Speaker 5: that didn't get food were thankful. These they're not to

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Speaker 5: say that all of Gaza is Hamas is irresponsible, and

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Speaker 5: what I would say to our president is that we

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Speaker 5: cannot go down that road. I clearly understand that Israel

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Speaker 5: is one of our closest allies and I respect that.

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Speaker 5: But what do allies do. You sit down with your

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Speaker 5: allies and you say stop. We did that in World

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Speaker 5: War Two with all the allies like, hey, don't you

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Speaker 5: shouldn't do that. I mean, there were instances where the

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Speaker 5: United States committed war crimes in World War Two and

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Speaker 5: the United Kingdom Britain was.

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Speaker 4: Like, that's pretty bad. Stop, okay.

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Speaker 5: As an ally, we have a responsibility to take our

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Speaker 5: ally and say don't do this. If we continue to

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Speaker 5: encourage them and fund them and what they're doing, we're going.

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Speaker 4: Down a dangerous road.

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Speaker 5: Into all the Americans out there that are listening, You're

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Speaker 5: paying for it, Your tax dollars are paying for it.

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Speaker 4: Keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: So it's been described as a war of annihilation. Is

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Speaker 3: that something that you agree with?

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Speaker 5: I was absolutely how it's going right now. Yes, it

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Speaker 5: is a war of annihilation. Annihilation of the people, annihilation

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Speaker 5: of the infrastructure, annihilation of the land, annihilation of every

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Speaker 5: living thing.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt Anthony, thank you so much for speaking out.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending some time with us.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the time your time, Anthony, Thank you share

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Speaker 3: sciate it. Thanks so much for watching Guys. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: a Friday show for everybody. Tomorrow, See you then,