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Speaker 1: of that stuff though in the U. S. SR. During

428
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Speaker 1: the Civil War or during the Cold War and whatever.

429
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: And the kind of Cuban equivalent to the School of

430
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: the America's was Camp Montana Montanzas, uh, and yeah, it

431
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, where you you trained people to go

432
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: to other countries to like foment revolution and stuff. Um.

433
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: And so Illage goes there and he learns how to

434
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: like commit acts of sabotage and start revolutionary cells and

435
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: do all that good stuff, or he doesn't. And that's

436
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: all a lie because the CIA, when this guy becomes

437
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: a big deal, really wants to tie him more to

438
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: the U. S s R. Than he was already tied.

439
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: And so they lied about it. But then later one

440
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: of the CIA guys was like, there's actually no evidence

441
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: that's happened, but also it might have happened, So who

442
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: the funk knows? And also probably illage is not gonna

443
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: be like no, no, no, I was not trained. My

444
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: life is less cool than you think. Yeah, he's not

445
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: that kind of dude, So who knows. Um. Yeah, So

446
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: his family sent him to London later that year, which

447
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: does kind of make you think maybe he didn't go

448
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: to elite communist guerrilla school, because that does seem like

449
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: it would take some time. Took the did like a semester.

450
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: It was like course, like a minimester, like a month

451
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, I mean, you know, you take

452
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 1: a five week course over the summer and you can

453
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: learn a lot about overthrowing the government in five weeks. Yeah, yeah,

454
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: correspondence course. Sure, there's options. So his his dad sends

455
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: the family to London, and his main reason for this

456
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: is because he wants his kids to learn English and

457
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: he wants him to experience a new culture. So again,

458
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: his Marxist dad takes him at a communism fighting school

459
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: and sends him to London to hang out in nightclubs

460
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: flirting with European women. Because again, Ramirez Novice incredible Marxist,

461
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean just an amazing On the other hand, I

462
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: don't feel like that's a bad. Yeah, I'm not. I'm

463
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: not saying it's a bad If you can in one

464
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: summer do communism fighting in the government school and hanging

465
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: out in night gloves in London, do both of those

466
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: it correspondence course. Maybe he did both at the same time.

467
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to do a bomb making correspondence course. You

468
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: could like outline the bomb on the back of the society.

469
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: When you send your final project in the mail, you

470
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: get in trouble. That's my impression. I mean, you know,

471
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: you have a wonderful career until it's cut cruelly short

472
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: by the FBI for some reason. Are we talking We're

473
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: talking about Teddy Um. So, yeah, Ramirez got his son

474
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: admitted to a fancy British boys school, which is basically

475
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: the opposite of having private communism tutors. Um is it

476
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: the kind of I think the opposite of having private

477
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: communism tutors is something that doesn't involve huge amounts of money. Okay, yeah,

478
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: fair enough. He was not popular among his teachers and

479
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: was generally seen as being a lazy, smartass. One teacher

480
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: recalled he was a snide little blighter. He was quite

481
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: convinced he was God's gift to everyone. He was poggy

482
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: and pasty, but was always incredibly elegantly and expensively dressed.

483
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: He was a cheat and would avoid doing work whenever

484
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: he could. Um. So yeah. He was also though, really

485
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: smart and he did great on his exams, so he

486
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: kept stayed in school. Uh. Nineteen sixty eight was of

487
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: course one of the more revolutionary years in modern memory. Um.

488
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: Kind of not all that different from this year except

489
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: for the Internet and all of the additional guns, um,

490
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: and all of the additional fascism and all of the

491
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: additional environmental degradation. But anyway, very revolutionary year. A lot

492
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: of protests and movements and ship going on all over

493
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: the damn world. Uh. And in that year, Illige and

494
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: his dad were in Paris because again his yeah, it

495
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: was going down in Paris, and they saw none of

496
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: it because his dad was like, this seems scary. Let's

497
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: go to Moscow. Okay, hold on, communism, dad, communism lawyer, Dad,

498
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: You're gonna take your kid out of communism fighting school

499
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: and bring him to fucking hang out in nightclubs and

500
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: then you're going to go to Paris in nine. There

501
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: is nothing to learn here, kid, who I have exposed

502
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: to the nightclubs of London and communism fighting. Actually, if

503
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: you are a communist in the idea of like status communism, yeah,

504
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: the situation is don't really scratch. But also as as

505
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: a child of the nineties, when like everything from the

506
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: sixties was very very like interesting and kind of cool again,

507
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: and they were making all of the documentaries about the

508
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: Beatles and everything else, like very weirdly, like as a

509
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: middle schooler, was the one thing that I read about

510
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: like all like stuff like wow, if I could have

511
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: gone back in time to one place, and so hearing that, yeah,

512
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: his dad is like, now we're not gonna take it.

513
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: You know where I'm not rolling you at the Sorbon

514
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: and this ship is like scary, Let's go to Moscow.

515
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean, have you seen bard which Moscow notably in

516
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: one of the places where absolutely funk all was happening,

517
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: not a goddamn thing, whereas they're pulling up fucking paving

518
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: stones throwing them at cops in Paris and also making

519
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: funny comics about it, like they didn't go hungry, none

520
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: of these things. We yeah, that does happen. So Patris

521
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: Lamumbo university is where the Soviet Union is where he goes, Like,

522
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: that's the college he goes to. Patrice Lammbo. If you

523
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: remember our episode about the Congo, he was the democratically

524
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: elected socialist leader of the Congo who was very quickly

525
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: murdered for the pro Us dictator who looted the country

526
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: for like forty years, which I gotta say, you know

527
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: this is this is in Moscow. Yeah, kudos kudos Tom

528
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: for naming a university after Patris Lamumba. I'm sure that

529
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: that was pretty much where any engagement with you know,

530
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: progressive socialist politics from the Congo stopped. But yeah, yeah,

531
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: you know it was a stab um. So, yeah, that's

532
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: where the Soviet Union sent its foreign exchange students and

533
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: communists from outside of Russia would go there to like

534
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: learn Marxism so they could bring their nations and of

535
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: origin better in step with the uss are or like

536
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: revolutions that were So anyway, Illege did terribly here um

537
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: because again he's been raised to be a revolutionary and

538
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: the one thing that they hate in the Soviet Union

539
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: is a revolutionary. Yeah, when you're outside the Soviet Union,

540
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: they might like you, but not inside, not a story. Yeah.

541
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: So the fundamental problem is that I had been raised

542
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: from birth to like, yeah, fight the state. Um, And

543
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: yeah that doesn't that doesn't send him over world. This

544
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: is actually the year that he moves to Moscow is

545
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: the year that the Soviet Union sent tanks to the

546
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: Czechoslovakia to brutally suppress a popular uprising. Um. Famously just

547
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: where that's people who think that everything the Soviet Union

548
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: did was cool as a cucumber. So they have to

549
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: justify crushing people with tanks. Um. They're yeah, they're like

550
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: they're like the people who were They're like, they're like

551
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: most Americans, um, but for communism, like half of them. Maryan. Sorry,

552
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: so revolutionaries were still occasionally useful to the U. S SR.

553
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: But mainly like in terms of you know, fighting this

554
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: whole Cold War thing. Um. So one of uh, what

555
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Illage gets here and like he has a lot of

556
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: trouble immediately. Um, the people at the school don't like him,

557
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: the government doesn't like him. Um. But he does have

558
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: a couple of friends. And one of his friends is

559
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a guy named Privlov, who years later described nineteen year

560
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: old Illage this way. Illach was not at all the

561
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: typical students sent by his country's communist party. Nothing to

562
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: do with the good little soldier of Mao, who labored

563
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: in the fields every summer. He was a handsome young man,

564
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: although his cheeks looked swollen, and he was a great

565
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: bon vivour. I don't know, I don't know French. Uh.

566
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: In the biography Jackal John Fullane goes on to write,

567
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: flush with cash sent by his parents, Illag could afford

568
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: to spend lavishly on whiskey and champage, and the special

569
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: stores that only accepted payment in hard currencies and which

570
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: were off limits to most people. A lot of folks

571
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: don't know. The USSR had those stars that only rich

572
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: people could buy stuff in the Marxist in the Marxist utemp,

573
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: they really got it right, more Russian than the Russians.

574
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: The privileged student and his friends would throw glasses over

575
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: their shoulders, not only empty glasses, but bottles as well.

576
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: The university authorities, frustrated in their attempts to oppose discipline

577
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: on Illage, reason that his freedom of action would be

578
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: drastically limited if the allowance that his father sent him

579
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: were reduced. But when they asked Rameris naves to be

580
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 1: less generous. The father, piqued, retorted that his son had

581
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: never wanted for anything. Great communists, unbelievably good communists. Seriously,

582
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: everyone child's behavior would be improved if he wasn't so

583
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: entitled and constantly flush with cash. And the rebuttal is,

584
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: but I have always given my child everything he wants. Yes.

585
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: The other decision being made is the USSR saying it's

586
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: a shame that this kid is getting drunk and misbehaving

587
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: so much because of all the money he has. But

588
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: we can't stop selling him expensive liquor a lot of

589
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't go quietly along with what the government wants.

590
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: At Patrice University, this is the birth of actually luxury communism. Yeah, yeah,

591
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: just for him though, I think that's called so like

592
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: like Liberty University here in the United States, Patrice Lambo

593
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: College had a vice squad which searched at night to

594
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: try to stop them from having fun things, took away

595
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: their liquor and whatever. Would not be down with that.

596
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he would. I think Patrice Lammbo would

597
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: start some ship over that. I the administration universe. I

598
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: think he might. That was kind of his deal. Um. So,

599
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: continuing my reading from jackal quote. One night, the patrol

600
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: entered Ilich's room and saw empty bottles of alcohol and

601
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: glass is on the table, but he was apparently alone.

602
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: The squad opened the coupboard door and a girl who

603
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: was completely drunk fell out. She was naked and was

604
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: clutching her clothes in her hands. They asked her what

605
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: she was doing there, and she answered, I feel pity

606
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: for the oppressed. She was obviously a prostitute. Another time,

607
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: and with another girl, Illach didn't bother to hide her

608
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: in the cupboard. He threw her out of the window.

609
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: There's better ways to hide your date. This one was

610
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: fully dressed and landed in two meters of snow a

611
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: flora two below. She got up, unhurt and shouted abuse

612
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: at him. There's something you can do when there's that much.

613
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's also I did throw some people out

614
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: of some windows, is all I would yell abuse windows.

615
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: And that's why we're friends. Yeah, yeah, well we we

616
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: have compatible attitudes towards definistration. Naked lady falls out of

617
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: cupboard and they're like, what the funk are you doing here?

618
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: And heard defence is I feel sympathy with the oppressed. Yeah,

619
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, that's a great cover story. That's a

620
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: great story. Yeah, she's a revolutionary. I need this covered.

621
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Almost passed that drunk for reasons. So this was kind

622
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: of as a young man, was great at attracting women

623
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: because he was very good looking, very charming, and he's Venezuelan, right. Um.

624
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: He was what you might call a user though, um.

625
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: And the only deep relationship he ever had was with

626
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: a young Cuban woman he bonded with while in Moscow.

627
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: She was older than him, with a marriage under her

628
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: belt already h and so she was like kind of

629
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: more experienced than him, which was not common for his relationships.

630
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Years later, Ilich would admit that her greater life experience

631
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: was anomaly in his love life. Quote, I like girls

632
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: very much, but I like to be in control. With Sonja,

633
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't a ruler. We were one Sonia talking how

634
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to smoke cigars, and Illige got her pregnant. They broke

635
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: up shortly before after that, and she flew back to

636
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: Havana to give birth. And it's very clear, unclear what

637
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: happened to them. Um, But this is actually, oddly enough,

638
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: not a deadbeat dad story. On Ilich's part. She went

639
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: back home pregnant, cut off all contact with him, and

640
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: had their kid. He wrote her letters repeatedly, just begging

641
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: to know the kid's name, and she never responded, and

642
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: we have no idea like what went down between them,

643
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Like presumably there is a story there that we don't know,

644
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: especially given the kind of man that he turned into.

645
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: But like it's a very sad story based on the

646
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: details we have, which is that like she left and

647
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: he never learned his kid's name. But you have to

648
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: assume he did something horrible because he's Carlos the Jackal

649
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: or else. It was just a total power move, like

650
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: kind of a user, a little bit of a dick.

651
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to have this one thing over you that

652
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: you will never control for the rest of your life. Yeah.

653
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: And also somebody who has explicitly said I like to

654
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: be in control of everybody I'm in relationships with, this

655
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: is the person he couldn't do that too, which means

656
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: she was hard as fuck. Yeah. And also he's going

657
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: to have feelings about it forever. Yeah. No, I think

658
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: it sucked him up for forever, but you know whatever. Uh.

659
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: In nineteenth Patrice Lamumba University expelled uh and thirteen other

660
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: members of the Venezuelan Communist Youth for anti Soviet provocation

661
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: and in discipline. UH. Now there's rumors that this is

662
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: also untrue, and that he was a secret KGB agent

663
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: for from this point forward, and that they just faked

664
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: kicking him out of the school. And that might be like,

665
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: it's it's fun KGB, who knows, But as cover goes, Hey,

666
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: you went to Cuban Communism Fighting School and then you

667
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: went to Patrice Slam here's how to bring communism to

668
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: your country university, and we kicked you out, so you

669
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: can be a secret KGB agent. That's right up there

670
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: with we're not trying to kidnap the Prime Minister. We're

671
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: just building bombs in the mountain. I think the thing

672
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: that we're all learning about the sixties and seventies is

673
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: that you could get away with a lot. I mean historically,

674
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: if they really hadn't liked him that much and he

675
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: had gone to Cuban Revolutionary School, they could have just

676
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: called him a Trotsky. Yeah, we're we are talking he

677
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: had been in Cuba. We are talking the late sixties,

678
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: early seventies, So like there's not as much of that

679
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: going on, like the Fourth International was in n Yeah,

680
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. You know, you probably

681
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: know more about what he was likely to just like

682
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. They didn't do anything to him, Like

683
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: he just gets kicked out of the country, which probably

684
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: just means his dad was a real rich Communist. Yeah,

685
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: and they were like, you're kind of a spoiled dick

686
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: Communist kid, and he wasn't like a Soviet citizen, right,

687
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Like he hadn't done anything other than be a drunk asshole.

688
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: And so in the style of communists college administrations for

689
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: time and Memorial, they said, you're a drunk asshole and

690
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of sucking up all of our ship. So

691
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: we just want you to go to a different school. Now, Well,

692
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: they just wanted him out of the U s s R.

693
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: Um or he left the USSR to go fighting Lebanon

694
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: and then they wouldn't let him back in again. Who knows.

695
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Uh kind of some debate around this um. But whatever

696
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: happens or whatever happened, the kind of thing that happens

697
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: next is that uh I winds up in uh Clebanon

698
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: because while he was at Patrice La Mumbia University. He

699
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: did meet some real revolutionaries, a bunch of young Palestinian

700
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: dudes who were affiliated with the Popular Front. So the

701
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Popular Front a little bit of brief history. Uh, the

702
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies pretty rough time to be a Palestinian

703
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: liberation activist. Not that there's ever been a good time

704
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: to be a Palestins kind of always been a hard, hard,

705
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: hard gig. But the Six Day War had happened in

706
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: June of nineteen sixty seven, and it had ended with

707
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: every Arab military force or rate against Israel being like,

708
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't go well for everybody else. Palestine lost, um,

709
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: like like a lot of Palestine UM. And the failure,

710
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: the total, massive failure of traditional military tactics on behalf

711
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: of all of the Arab forces UM led to an

712
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: increasing embrace in irregular warfare. So this is like the

713
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: period where a lot of UM, all right, we're gonna go,

714
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some we're gonna do some grilla ship now, um,

715
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, the fed Ayeen and stuff like become more

716
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: of a deal after this. So a lot of the

717
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: most of the group's kind of fighting and advocating politically

718
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: for Palestinian liberation at this time kind of we're under

719
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: the broad umbrella of the p l O or the

720
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Palestinian Liberation Organization, and their charter stated armed struggle is

721
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: the only way to free Palestine. It embraced commando action

722
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: to further this end. Uh. And the Popular Front was

723
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: one of the organizations under the PLO. It was explicitly

724
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Marxist and militant um and Yeah, one of its like

725
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: leaders summed up its purpose when he observed, to kill

726
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: a Jew far from the battlefield has more effect than

727
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: killing hundreds of Jews in battle. That's kind of the idea, right, Um.

728
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: So Illach goes to Beirut, which was a place you

729
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna be if you're a Palestinian freedom fighter, um,

730
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: because it's kind of the safest place where a bunch

731
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: of them are gathering. Uh, And it's right there. It's

732
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: very close, you know, the whole of all of the area.

733
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Whenever people talk about conflicts in the Middle East, it's

734
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: like driving from Jersey to Connecticut. In a lot of cases,

735
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Like one of the things about the Goal on Heights Yea,

736
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: which is one of the disputed territories, certainly in this period,

737
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: it's the goal on heights, which means you can see

738
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: into Israel, like, you know, you're standing on a hill

739
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: and you can see a lot of what's downhill from you.

740
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: It's just one of those the lesson you continuously get

741
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: as an American reading about the rest of the world

742
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: is it's tiny, unless you're reading about Africa, in which

743
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: case it's so much bigger than you have any like,

744
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: it's incomprehensibly large. So ill it's traveled to Beirut, which was,

745
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, a cool place. Uh still cool. Well,

746
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer at the moment, but that's not

747
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: their roots fault. Um. He fell in with the Popular Front,

748
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: and he found himself drawn to a movement where political

749
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: theory and rigid social organization took a back seat to

750
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: shooting people repeatedly in the face, which he was great at. Oh,

751
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: he was so ready to be in the shooting people

752
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: repeatedly in the face. I mean, if you were raised

753
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: a theory and theory and theory, being a rich kid

754
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: with theory, for someone to just say, funck theory, want

755
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: to shoot people people? Yeah, And you know a lot

756
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: of these folks, these Palestinian fighters were kind of the

757
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: sort of people who saw like they wanted the destruction

758
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: of Israel and the liberation of Palestine. But most of

759
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: them would have seen that as like the first step

760
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: on a journey towards like toppling all of the regimes

761
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: of the Middle East and like bringing Marxism, Like it

762
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: was a pretty calm That's why the Japanese Red Army

763
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: like got along with these dudes. So it's also why

764
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: the p l O had kind of a hard time

765
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, they were they got used as a

766
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: pawn by other governments in the region. I mean, and

767
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: to some extent still do. But that like uncomfortable, that

768
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: uncomfortable tendency of like and then we want to overthrow

769
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: all these other governments. Like governments don't like it when

770
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: you say you want to overthrow all the governments. Yeah,

771
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: that's why anarchists are only popular sometimes. The pop their

772
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: front operated a bunch of training camps out in the

773
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Jordanian desert um, and Jordan was like, you can keep

774
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: your revolutionaries here in Jordan's We're cool with that, um.

775
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: But as that way, yeah, they weren't wild about it, um.

776
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: But you know, Illage was pretty wild about learning how

777
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: to do cool stuff, like they had like airplanes out

778
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: there that you would like do training into, like how

779
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: to get into gunfights on airplanes. And he thought that

780
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: was did you practice hijackings? I think you probably did

781
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot of practice jacking. I think a lot of

782
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: people were jacking it in the Jordanian desert back in

783
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: those days. Um so yeah. And his initial plan like

784
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: he didn't really want to fight for Palestinian liberation a

785
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: whole bunch. He wanted to learn from them and then

786
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: take a bunch of other Venezuelans who were doing the

787
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: same thing, uh, and go back home to Venezuela and

788
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: do some revolutions in um. Yeah. And when he joined

789
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy, the PLO recruiting officer who inducted him

790
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: give Illage the nickname Carlos. And the only reason for

791
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: this was that he came from South amera Rica and

792
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: that was the only Spanish name that his recruiter really knew. Um.

793
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: So he was like, you're Carlos because you come from

794
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Latin America. And that's why he's Carlos from here on out.

795
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: That's how we give nicknames. Now, that's how we give

796
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: name It's like everybody you've ever met who has a nickname,

797
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: like you know, Texas or yeah. Yeah. So he goes

798
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: to this training camp in the desert with like ninety

799
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: other guys and a lot of them are fringe in

800
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: Belgium or other Europeans, and they all start learning, uh,

801
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: like a bunch of there's like a mix of like

802
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: political lectures and also courses on like how to handle

803
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: guns and make bombs and stuff. One popular test of

804
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: like how brave the trainees were, which you would make

805
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: them stand in the open air about a meter away

806
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: from a plastic bomb that detonated something not wildly different

807
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: from like the distraction devices the polls giving us, like

808
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: the flash bang renames. Yeah, um, so you have to

809
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: like stand and not and try not to flinch when

810
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: that thing explodes New Saturday. Yeah yeah we do it

811
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: and like a lot of Tuesdays flames. That's I don't

812
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: want to take videos that often. Yeah, so um yeah,

813
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's uh yeah, he does really well with this.

814
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Carlos is just like seen as like, oh, you're not

815
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: scared of things exploding near you and you're good at

816
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: shooting people. Um, we should fast track you to go

817
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: do cool stuff there. Yeah, exploded. Carlos himself didn't really

818
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: like it much. He thought there was too much propaganda

819
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: and not enough learning how to shoot people right in

820
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: their faces. It seems like after an entire lifetime of

821
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: being raised by private communism tutors and sent to special

822
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Communism in Doctor Nation school, he's kind of good on

823
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: the communist in doctrine. He does know some Communism and

824
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: he's like, cool, I got it. But when do we

825
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: get to shoot stuff? You know, though, who is knowledgeable

826
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: about communism? Be I was going to say in Doctor

827
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Nation that you know, in doctrinate you in communism, you

828
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: want to get indoctrinate products services. It is Raytheon communism.

829
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: But you know what they love more than communism shooting

830
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: people right in the face. You know. The best thing

831
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: about Raytheon is that they're responsible for and it only

832
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: took twenty years of a global war on terror and

833
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: launching thousands of missiles at weddings and schools and school

834
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: buses and villages full with women and children. Before Raytheon,

835
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: the humanitarians that they are, had the brilliant idea of

836
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: what if we made a missile that was just full

837
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: of knives and shotted only at cars of people were

838
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: pretty sure bad. And that's the best idea anyone's ever

839
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: had in the entire war on terror. And I'm not

840
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: joking about that. That's where we are. That's the best idea.

841
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: That's the best idea of the whole war. And they

842
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: are sponsoring this podcast, as are these other people and

843
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: their products, and I'm so they're all raytheon subsidiaries. So exciting.

844
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. Ah, what a good time to

845
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: be a human. I feel optimistic about the future. Let's

846
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: talk about the past where things were also great. So

847
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: in early nineteen seventy, the King of Jordan's again, you know,

848
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: he's letting all these Palestinian freedom fighters and such hang

849
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: out in Jordan's but he's not like he's not jazzed

850
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: about it, because again he's a king, and these people

851
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: are trying to overthrow governments. And even if you don't

852
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: like the government, they're trying to overthrow. If you're a

853
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: king and there's a bunch of people trying to overthrow

854
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: a government all hanging out near you, you probably like,

855
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: I gotta keep an eye on them, just at a curiosity.

856
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: How do Marxists feel about monarchies, not wild about it. Yeah,

857
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: so it's it's a it's a rocky situation and there's

858
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: like fights between his soldiers and them, like it's not

859
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: it's not the smoothest situation in the world. Um and

860
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: yeah it got rocky. Or that September when in the

861
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: Popular Front attempted to hijack four airliners bound for New

862
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: York at the same time. Um. And to their credit,

863
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: they succeeded in taking two planes, which is not bad

864
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: for four planes. Yeah, but they just did the boring

865
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: ship with Yeah. They they've got like three D sixty

866
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: captives and they actually they flew them to an abandoned

867
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: airfield in the Jordanian desert and like stamped their passports

868
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: with like liberated like like like free territory or something

869
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: like that. It was really weird. Um, I like that

870
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: as a choice. Yeah, yeah, they weird. Performance are yeah,

871
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: not quite performance. So whenever when they started the hijacking,

872
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: the dudes in charge on each plane would tell the passengers, look,

873
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we have just hijacked you to a desert

874
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: in Jordan's this is a country in the Middle East

875
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: next to Israel and Syria. We're fighting a just war,

876
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: a war for the liberation of our country from Israeli occupation.

877
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: You relaxed tonight. There is food and drink here for you.

878
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: So this was the guys that got captured, which is

879
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: like nice get started. Yeah, like that way better than

880
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: I do. Very very fitting for the region. Uh and

881
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: also like, uh kind of funny that, like you kidnap

882
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of Americans and you're like, okay, the first

883
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: thing we gotta do is let them know, like they

884
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: don't know, they need to know, like is this part

885
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: of Africa? No? But yeah, three hours later, alright, so

886
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: everybody clear under the Mongols in Vadue. Now this is

887
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: really when it's the Mediterranean, the mediterrane It's where pizza

888
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: comes from. Okay, we're near the pizza place. Uh. Yeah,

889
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: So they have a very nice kidnapping um, which most

890
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: is as a rule you read every time when you

891
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: start reading through a bunch of stories of plane hijackings,

892
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: most people on the planes talk very highly about the hijackers,

893
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: which seems like a good tactic if you can hijack

894
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: the plane and everybody on the plane is like, you know,

895
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: that didn't seem so bad. That guy who's that guy

896
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: who threatened our lives with the bomb was quite pleasant.

897
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: What a nice and exciting detour. Yeah, um, yeah, you'll

898
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: never guess, Marcia, what happened when we worked, when we

899
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: were traveling. Yeah, most people like would love to be hijacked.

900
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: As long as it was this kind of hijack. We

901
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: get to spend some times. Stamp on the next slide.

902
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: I took another picture. Yeah, and this is where the

903
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: nice young pl O man gave me some tabula and

904
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: showed me the bomb around his neck. Yeah. Yeah, So

905
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: the Popular Front eventually succeeded in trading the passengers for

906
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: seven of their arrested comrades. Um and yeah, it was

907
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: a big whole success, and for a while it was

908
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: probably the most impressive airplane related act of terrorism in

909
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: history until some assholes. You know, I would say that,

910
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: by some standards, still more successful. I like it a

911
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: lot better than you know, all those people, they seem

912
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: like they had a pretty okage. It seems like it

913
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: went all right. I would say the people flying the planes,

914
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: the people hijacking the plans, and the people riding on

915
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: the planes all felt better about it afterwards. I would

916
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: I would say so. A lot of people had stories

917
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: they told for the rest of their lives which they

918
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: got to have. UM. So yeah, it was. It wasn't

919
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: It was not the worst act terrorism history, you could

920
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: say that for sure, UM. But it was a big

921
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: old deal at the time, and it put the King

922
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: of Jordan in a pretty rough situation. UH. And he

923
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: eventually was like, I'm expelling y'all from Jordan's UM, which

924
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: led to a horrific war UH in Jordans between the

925
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: Palestinians called Black September and the Jordanian military UM. And

926
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: the Palestinians were again, as is pretty usual in the

927
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: long saga of Palestinian liberation, fucked from the jump UM.

928
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: But they fought tenaciously UM. Eventually, though, casualties were so

929
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: high that Carlos, the young Venezuelan recruit was sent into battle. UM.

930
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: He described it as a sheer massa thousands of dead.

931
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: I fought until nineteen seventy one. I was on the

932
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: front line in the mountains. The enemy was trying to

933
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: force us down the banks of the river Jordan's. His

934
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: commanding officer noted that he was nerveless under fire and

935
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: could take life without blinking. By the end of the

936
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: whole DISASTERUS conflict, more than three thousand Palestinian fighters were dead,

937
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: and Carlos, who had once been planning to return to Venezuela,

938
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: was utterly committed to their cause. No more did he

939
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: talk about going home. Instead, he went back to his

940
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: old stomping grounds in London, this time as an agent

941
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: for the Popular Front. This is when the James Bond

942
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: shit starts. Yeah. So a life of wealth and travel

943
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: had prepared him pretty well for his next job, which

944
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: was pretending to be a socialite. So we could make

945
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: a list of high profile pro Israel targets to kidnap

946
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: and murder in London, which there if you cut out

947
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we were just covering here, there's

948
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: a way to spend this where he is in fact

949
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: a socialite. Yeah, yeah, kinda, uh yeah, I can't wait

950
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: till he meets Roger Moore. Yeah. I've been waiting for

951
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: two episodes now for this. So Carlos became a fixture

952
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: in certain London social circles, using his easy charm and

953
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: the facility with languages to build connections. He was most

954
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: successful when it came to wooing young women, which he

955
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: did constantly. Now, to say that Carlos used women would

956
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: be putting it lightly. His most common move was to

957
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: flirt with a girl until she fell for him and

958
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: then asked him to hold a bag of his things

959
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: in her attic whenever he went out of town on business.

960
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: The bags would contain machine pistols usually, and large amounts

961
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: of explosives like jelly n gelic, knight and uh yeah, dynamite.

962
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I would rather if some dude left some

963
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: ship at my house. I would rather it was that

964
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: than like a bunch of his spare underpant's just gonna

965
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: put it out there. Don't really know how to play.

966
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: He is that guy, but with bags of he has

967
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: an endless supply of Yeah, he's he's we will learn

968
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: very soon, very good at them, um so. And again

969
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: though there's consequences for the women that he does this too.

970
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: At least one of his women did a year in

971
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: jail when she found weaponry that he'd stashed there and

972
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: reported it to journalists before the police. Um yeah. He

973
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: also endangered these women due to the fact that he

974
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: left bombs in their houses that were always stored im properly,

975
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: so like people would like become aware of the arms

976
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: caches he'd left because the stink of rotting dynamite would

977
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: start to overwhelm there. So he was not didn't really

978
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: give a ship about these people. Yeah, that's that's not

979
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: another level above and beyond, Like maybe you got a

980
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: yeast infection and now your couch has gave you. Yeah,

981
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: like this guy left some decaying dynamite and my attic. Yeah,

982
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean I got a fucking cat from an ex

983
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: girlfriend once, which is a lot better, I think than

984
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: an illegal arms cash. I don't know. I mean I

985
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: had my own flavor of toxic relationships that I prefer. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,

986
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: he's not, he's not, he's not. This is what he

987
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: does with relationship. You know, it's not going to help

988
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: you hijack the plane. Robert a cat. I mean it might,

989
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: it would if it could. So I have some cats

990
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: that you should need later on in life. Musing on

991
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: the nature of his relationship to women, Carlos said this,

992
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I love women, I mean the good life, but not

993
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: only sex. In the end, I love friendship a great deal.

994
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I haven't lived many love stories in my life. At

995
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: the same time, I can fall in love easily like

996
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: any old school boy. I can love several women at

997
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: the same time. He also stated in another interview, to

998
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: succeed in missions, you must have the supportive girls. You

999
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: must strike up friendships with these apparently inoffensive creatures because

1000
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: they are very useful in supplying havens and warding off suspicion.

1001
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: So so I like to hang one around my neck

1002
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: and it keeps the vampires away. So there's there's part

1003
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: of that that seems like, okay, so you're kind of

1004
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: a slut, and and that's okay, that's a fine thing

1005
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: to be. It's the part where you leave decaying dynamite

1006
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: and their attics. That's the thing that I don't like.

1007
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: You know. You just want ladies to be treated like people,

1008
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean, and not and not arms, caches or me

1009
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: objects to ward off evil. I'm fine with being a

1010
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: tetemic object to ward off evil. I don't feel like,

1011
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, but if you start leaving to Kaine Dynamiter

1012
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: around the house, he might have to have a talk. Yeah,

1013
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: it's more that he hit it from them and they

1014
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: never knew that it was there in the first place,

1015
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: which is another level. Yeah, it's like a special Valentine,

1016
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: they treat So there were some women that he seemed

1017
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: to have more real relationships with generally, so he could

1018
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: trust them to like actually know that he was living

1019
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: weapons at their house, or he could trust them to

1020
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: act as a safe house once he started committing all

1021
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: the primes, and he was going to be committing now,

1022
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: depending on who you ask, the whole crimes thing may

1023
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: have started right away as soon as he got back

1024
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: to Europe in nineteen seventy two, with Carlos providing critical

1025
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: support to help hijack a Lofton's a jet and carry

1026
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: out the abduction of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games. Now,

1027
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: Munich was like it was like the nine eleven of kidnapping,

1028
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: really the brass ring of mur during people at the Olympics. Um,

1029
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: it was it was it was, you know, a big deal, um,

1030
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: and there's a zero evidence that he had anything to

1031
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: do with it. Um. This was the thing he started

1032
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: claiming later because again, very famous act of terrorism, and

1033
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a famous terrorist and there's a

1034
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: famous terrorism, it's you know, you don't you don't want

1035
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: people to not think you had anything to do with it. Yeah,

1036
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: and then the next thing you know, people are like, oh,

1037
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: were you in that band and you were like, um, yeah, yeah,

1038
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: we played a show together or whatever. Yeah, he's like

1039
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: the Ringo of Munich where he didn't actually do anything,

1040
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: but he takes credit. Ringo did Octopus his garden. No,

1041
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: we're not talking about Ringo today. Carlos had his first mission.

1042
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about Carlos the Jackal today, not Ringo and

1043
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: equally terrorists. So Carlos had his first real act of

1044
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: terrorism that he committed on December thirtieth, nineteen seventy three,

1045
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: when he tried to murder one of the men he'd

1046
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: been stalking for months, Joseph CF, vice president of the

1047
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: British Zionist Foundation. He successfully broke into CF's house and

1048
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: shot him once, but then his revolver malfunctioned and most

1049
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: books say it jammed, which I don't. I it's hard

1050
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: to get him that it may have been an ammunition problem.

1051
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Exactly what happened to take out I mean, famously, Ringo's

1052
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: attempt uncer top him hat and was foiled when his

1053
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: revolver jammed. And that's why George Carlin took over the series.

1054
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay. Um, so yeah, Carlos tries to shoot

1055
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: this guy to death and it doesn't work, and Carlos

1056
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: leaves uh and CFS badly injured, but you know, he

1057
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: makes it. So it was a little bit of a

1058
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: ship show as far as acts of terrorism go. But

1059
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: it was like his first try and he got away.

1060
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: So that's what George Carlin knew. You gotta keep your

1061
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: powder dry. That's what Bernie another Bernie Sanders. So when

1062
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: he killed Robert F. Kennedy and another a month later, Uh,

1063
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: fucking Carlos tried again. Uh in this time instead of

1064
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: trying to shoot Yeah, no, no different that he doesn't

1065
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: even go after a guy. This time, he goes after

1066
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: a an Israeli bank, the Halfwall Limb Bank in London. Uh.

1067
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: And in Carlos's mind and made a good target for

1068
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: the two hundred grand plastic explosive charges he built after

1069
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: storing materials in some nice ladies house. He later recalled,

1070
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: I threw them through the main door towards the tills,

1071
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: but one of them landed in front of an employee

1072
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: before sliding over the parquet floor and exploding. He wasn't

1073
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: killed because he pulled back in time that said the

1074
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: bomb destroyed the entire facade of the bank. The operation

1075
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: created a big stir in the media, although there were

1076
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: no victims. Okay, so again this is one of those

1077
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: he just threw a bomb through a door like a bank.

1078
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: But he's not gonna like walk in Biell swave, like

1079
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: put it somewhere extra good, like just just he's new

1080
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: to this. He's new to this. He's trying um practice

1081
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: makes perfectly and characteristically when he says that there were

1082
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: no victims, he's not quite accurate because he actually injured

1083
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old woman with shrapnel. Um. But he

1084
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: just doesn't like to talk about Yeah, we've already established

1085
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: that hurting women doesn't seem to bother him in their feelings,

1086
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: their addicts full of explosives, or their bodies in bank explosions.

1087
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of other people's feelings matter

1088
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: to Carlos Um. But yeah, so I will say, though,

1089
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: it is weird reading about him because, like by the

1090
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: standards of modern terrorists, all of the terrorists in this

1091
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: period avoid well, they avoid murdering as many people as

1092
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: they could. I suppose it's not fair to call that

1093
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: sucking at it. No, I would prefer terrorists who are

1094
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: more targeted in their violence, although not always but still

1095
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: not like We're not not like isis right, Like terrorism

1096
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: is a different matter today a little bit so, to

1097
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: quote from a maray of Carlos's life by researcher Mitchell Barth, Uh,

1098
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: soon after he set off car bomb attacks of three

1099
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: French newspapers accused of pro Israeli leanings, cars full of

1100
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: explosives were left outside the offices of um I'm not

1101
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: even gonna try to read those names, three French newspapers.

1102
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: The bombs were set to explode at two am, and

1103
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Carlos later claimed that the hour was selected to limit

1104
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: human casualties. In addition, he advised the papers of the

1105
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: attack at the appointed time. Three of the four bombs exploded,

1106
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: causing massive damage. There were no casualties. The only paper

1107
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: to escape damage, uh did so when the vehicle bomb

1108
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: left in front of it failed to detonate. So three

1109
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: out of four not bad. Fox up three newspapers that

1110
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: are like pro Israel. He does. Like the thing he's

1111
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: trying to do. You know, he's getting better at terrorism, right,

1112
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: Like this is his montage where he's like he's like

1113
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: he's like running up the steps of the of the

1114
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: rude is something or other and like learning how to

1115
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: plant bombs in random places. I mean there's a little

1116
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: bit too of it. It's very much a targeted like

1117
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: I could blow you up, but I'm not. I'm just

1118
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: blowing up these vehicles with no one in them. Yeah

1119
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm gonna you know, Sun your building

1120
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: up a bit. So you know, by this point he

1121
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: was getting seasoned at attempting terrorism, but his identity was

1122
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: still unknown, so he got to still be like a playboy,

1123
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: like living around Europe acting as a fixer for the

1124
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: Popular Front and allied left wing groups. So he's also

1125
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: kind of a batman villain. Yeah he is. He would

1126
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: people would tell him that he would like, well, he was.

1127
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: He's kind of like que for the Popular Front in

1128
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: this period because like other terrorists will come in, they'll

1129
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: say like we need this, and he'll like open up.

1130
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: He had closets full of weaponry and grenades and explode

1131
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: like all sorts of cool ship. So period wise, keeping

1132
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: the Bond theme, did he have a cat? I don't.

1133
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't think. I can't imagine

1134
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: him taking care of a cat. He's moving around a

1135
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: lot too. Um. And he's really good at getting weaponry,

1136
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: like particularly just fucking sacks of these machine pistols. He

1137
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: loves machine pistols. Um. A lot of easy fifty twos

1138
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of scorpions um. And he gets a

1139
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: shipload of hand grenades too, and again you know, puts

1140
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: him in the houses of women that he likes. Um.

1141
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: And in some cases when he trusted the women, he

1142
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: was very open about what he was doing, as this

1143
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: passage from the book Jackal makes clear. Nidia was the

1144
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: girl friend to whom Carlos felt closest, and he turned

1145
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: to her for help as he slowly built up a

1146
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: stock of arms for operations in Europe. One evening in

1147
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: July nineteen seventy four, he called Nydia from Paris and

1148
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: asked her to join him as soon as possible. She

1149
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: flew over and Carlos handed her a heavy black suitcase.

1150
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: All her boyfriend told her was keep this with you

1151
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: until I come and join you, or until somebody calls

1152
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: your flat and gives you a precise state the date

1153
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: of my birthday. According to Nydia, who took the suitcase,

1154
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: back with her to London. It was only sometimes later

1155
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: that she found out what it contained. Look, my love,

1156
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: this beauty is a check pistol, a high speed in

1157
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: fifty two automatic. It's marvelous, Carlos told her as he

1158
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: guided her through the suitcase's contents with childish gleet delight.

1159
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: When they met again, Carlos brought the barrel to his

1160
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: mouth and blew on it with a tender gesture, as

1161
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: if it had been a first kiss of love. Then

1162
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: he seized a grenade and put it in my hands,

1163
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: showing me how I should remove the primer and throw it.

1164
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: Forget that you are a woman, he added, with a

1165
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: certain arrogance. Don't close your eyes. That's I've had better dudes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1166
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: Forget that you're a woman, because surely a woman could

1167
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: not handle the complex operation of pulling a pin out

1168
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: of a grenade and throwing it out a thing. Real

1169
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: feminist icon, Carlos just the jackal. Yeah, I know you.

1170
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: You you all were really hoping that he was going

1171
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: to wind up being being a real gender gender equality

1172
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: but instead he's a terrorist. Who is He's He's an

1173
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: entitled rich boy who was raised by the best Marxist

1174
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: and a shitty lawyer dad. So now is about the

1175
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: time in late summer nineteen seventy four, the small friends

1176
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: of ours come back into the story. The Japanese Red Arm. Yeah,

1177
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: now this is and this is and this is non

1178
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: no non murdering all their friends non trapped in North

1179
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: Korea like the people who are committing tons of terrorism

1180
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: and really good at it, the fucking scary as hell. Yeah. Yeah,

1181
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: So one of their members, their leader, actually had been

1182
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: arrested by French border patrol bearing a suit case with

1183
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: three fake passports and ten thousand dollars in counterfeit bills.

1184
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: And that may sound like he was like being kind

1185
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: of lazy, but again, everyone just flew with whatever illegal

1186
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: things they wanted to fly with, and nobody took any

1187
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: precautions back then. So he wasn't he wasn't out of

1188
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: the norm here. Um. So he gets caught though in

1189
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: this case for some reason, um, and gets put in prison.

1190
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: He probably knew the words national Yeah, he started playing

1191
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: it and he started saying so yeah he uh, they

1192
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: want him out, um, and they plan their Their plan

1193
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: to get their boss out is to carry out a

1194
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: daring attack on the French embassy in the Hague um

1195
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: and like occupy the entire French embassy and take everyone

1196
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: inside of a prisoner and then ransom them out for

1197
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: their captured boss and a plane. I mean, which is

1198
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: cool as Hell's like a hard plot, and also all

1199
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: of the die hard plots and everything else make a

1200
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: lot more sense given what you were talking about with

1201
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the sixties and early seventies, because it seems like governments

1202
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: would have been like okay, yeah, it seems fair good, okay, good, yeah, alright,

1203
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: it's some I have to imagine at this point that

1204
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: it was in like a Bruce Willis movie that the

1205
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: phrase we don't negotiate with terrorists was uttered for the

1206
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: first time, because it certainly was not. Everyone negotiates immediately

1207
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: with terrorists, negotiates, gives them the one yeah now, so yeah,

1208
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: they they Carlos and his boss with a popular Front

1209
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: is like contact with the actual like organization is a

1210
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: is a dude named him Carbal who's an a Lebanese

1211
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: guy um and they provide the Japanese Red Army with

1212
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: all the guns and grenades they need, and the Japanese

1213
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Red Army takes control of the embassy and kidnaps the

1214
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 1: ambassador um and here's how Michelle Barth summarizes what happens next.

1215
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: The j R commandos held the French ambassador, as well

1216
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: as ten other members in the French embassy hostage in

1217
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: order to force the release of their leader. While these

1218
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: negotiations persisted, Carlos, in conjunction with these attacks, devised a

1219
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: plan that he hoped would force the release of the terrorists.

1220
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: On a busy Sunday afternoon, he entered a trendy cafe

1221
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: in Paris, and he made his way to the forced

1222
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: floor balcony and threw a fragmentation grenade down into the

1223
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: crowd that milled around the boutiques on the ground floor.

1224
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: Carlos left just before the blast scattered hundreds of lethal

1225
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: fragments through the crowd, killing two and injuring thirty four

1226
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: or thirty four innocent shoppers. The French government cave to

1227
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: the jp A demands two days later, providing both the

1228
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: release of the organization's leader as well as a jet

1229
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: that would fly them to safety. So that's a terrible

1230
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: act of terrorism. Also makes him a big deal because

1231
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: it worked like fucking game. He threw a grenade and

1232
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: they were like, here's a jet and we're letting this

1233
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: stud and all of his friends who occupied, like who

1234
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: conquered our embassy? And he yes, different era, it's I

1235
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: mean it's a very different period of time. Um, so yeah,

1236
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: he's famous now. Like now, he's not famous in terms

1237
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: of like his identity is still a secret, but like

1238
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: within the world of people who are like you know,

1239
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: terrorists and stuff or freedom fighters ever you wanna call him,

1240
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: he's like a big deal. Now he's like a big

1241
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: fucking operation. Uh. Now, The problem though with getting famous

1242
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: is that tasting your first dose of fame makes you

1243
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: want it more. And Carlos set for his next attack

1244
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: a spectacular goal. There were some LLL airplanes on the

1245
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: runway at Orly Airport near Paris, and instead of hijacking them,

1246
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: he wanted to blow them up because he had acquired

1247
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: a sack full of rocket propelled grenades. Now, so their

1248
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: plan was just to like shoot taxiing LLL aircraft and

1249
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: load them up, um while they were on the runway

1250
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: filled with hundreds of American tourists, which was quite a plan.

1251
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: And also it's getting a little bit more into like

1252
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: modern that seems like he was talking about killing like

1253
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy people, right, Yeah, that's actually quite

1254
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,959
Speaker 1: a bit different than all of his previous actions because

1255
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's been getting me over a

1256
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: lot of this is there's all sorts of wars going on,

1257
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: and we're in a period of time when everyone kind

1258
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: of low level thought that they could die any minute.

1259
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the idea that you were

1260
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: that you killed more than like four people in a

1261
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: single action for anything is like, oh my gosh, loss

1262
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: of life is incredible. It is weird. There's probably a

1263
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for it that we're not going to

1264
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: delve into now because it's kind of a bummer to

1265
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: think about. So, uh yeah, I'm going to read a

1266
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Speaker 1: quote from the book Jackal talking about how this attack

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: went because it's it's a fun it's a fun story.

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: The Allal plane was a hundred thirty meters away when

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: wine Rich, who was his partner on this, who was

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01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: a German guy who was like, I think the son

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: of Nazis and stuff and like became a left wing activist. Anyway,

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: iybe that's the guy that that is. So he's with

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: he's he He and wine Rich have like this truck

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: full of rocket propelled grenades. UM so yeah. The l

1275
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: plane was unders away while within the weapon's maximum range

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: at three, but the missile sword wide of the nose

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01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: of the plane. Without waiting to see the rocket's final impact,

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01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: wine Rich hurriedly consulted Carlos before reloading and taking aim

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01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: as second time. The first rocket hit a parked car

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: and then smashed into an empty workshop where the black

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: boxes recording flight data were manufactured. It failed to explode.

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: A moment later, the radio and the cockpit of the

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Allal jet crackled with an urgent order from the control

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01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: tower for all planes on the tarmac to come to

1285
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: an immediate halt. The Israeli captain, a former fighter pilot

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: with combat experience, had no intention of obeying the order,

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: which would have offered his attackers an easy target. He

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: accelerated sharply and made straight for the runway, and his

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: haste to fire a second rocket, wine Rich to brace

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: himself for the recoil, which punched him backwards, and the

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 1: Bazuka steel tube shattered their car's windshield. The rocket pierced

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: the fuselage of a parked in virtually empty Yugoslav plane

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: before exiting. On the other side, flying metal slightly injured

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: a steward, a policeman and a baggage handler, but the rocket,

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: like the first, failed to explode and burrowed its way

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: into empty kitchens. The only damaged cause was a few

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: broken plates. Wine Rich and Carlos jumped into the car

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: and sped away, leaving behind a Soviet made automatic pistol

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: on the edge of the road outside a cemetery a

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: few miles away. They abandoned the car and paused only

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: long enough to throw a cover over the launcher, a

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01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: third unused rocket, two grenades, and another Soviet made pistol

1303
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: lying on the back seat before switching to another rental car.

1304
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,879
Speaker 1: Carlos blamed his teammate for the fiasco. Wine Rich, she explained,

1305
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: was courageous and experience, but the last second he broke down.

1306
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: Shortly afterwards, someone called the Reuters news agency in Paris

1307
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: to claim responsibility for the attack. The message ended with

1308
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: the promise, next time, we'll hit our target. So every

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01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: comedy made during the eighties makes a lot more sense. Yeah, yeah,

1310
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: this is They're not great at it, like one Us. Yeah,

1311
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: like Sad Tuba. Throughout it's just like the casualness with

1312
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: which they're leaving rocket launchers and machine pistols behind is

1313
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I guess we're fucked right. Well, And

1314
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: because I was really picturing these two guys as like

1315
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: suave eighties villain motherfucker's up until you described all that,

1316
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: and now I'm picturing them as like, you know, like

1317
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:38,480
Speaker 1: Kerry Elwis and like John Clice, just like flying backwards

1318
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: into the windshields in their cars because they're not properly

1319
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: raised and two rockets in a row that don't blow up,

1320
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: and yeah they're not. It doesn't go well. They're just

1321
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: littering their trail with pistols like Red Cromes dan akright

1322
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: is in this movie, dan Acred is definitely He's the

1323
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: security guard who is like comically unaware of what's going on,

1324
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: yet somehow still manages to foil the plot. So, yeah,

1325
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: they promised to come back and not to miss in

1326
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: the future, but they don't keep this promise. Uh. They

1327
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: try again like a week later with a bunch of

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: Palestinian guerrillas to help them, but this is also a

1329
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: cock up from the start. Carlos and his boss like

1330
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: they get spotted immediately and like wind up, like the

1331
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: guerrillas all wind up in a running gun battle with

1332
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: French candor terrorism police and take a bunch of hostages

1333
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: and like get an airplane to fly them safely back home. Meanwhile,

1334
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: Carlos and his partner like drive away, did they successfully

1335
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: get the okay to blow up planes on the tur back?

1336
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 1: And then instead they hijack a plane because that's the fallback,

1337
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: Because that's the fallback, because everyone can hijack a plane. Yeah,

1338
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: because it's really easy. Why didn't they just hijack the

1339
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: plane to begin because they wanted to kill people, but

1340
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: they're bad at it, but you know how you could

1341
01:12:55,479 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: kill people people? Did eventually have that idea and it

1342
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't It wasn't great. Yeah. So on June Nive, Carlos

1343
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: is boss with a popular front Michelle Mukarbal, was captured

1344
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: and interrogated by French intelligence. He apparently turned and like

1345
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, did you know did the he snitched? Uh?

1346
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: And he led the cops to Carlos's safe house, which was,

1347
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: of course the house that his girlfriend lived at and

1348
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: was currently holding a party. So everything about this is

1349
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: baffling because these three French intelligence agents have this Palestinian

1350
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: uh like p l O guy who they know is

1351
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: a big terrorist and has just committed big terrorism and

1352
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: they're going to meet his partner at a party. But

1353
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 1: it's the start of the weekend and it's like a

1354
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: holiday weekend, and they all have guns, but they all

1355
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: check them in at work because they don't want to

1356
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: deal with like going back to the office later to

1357
01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: drop their guns off afterwards. With guns is France in

1358
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: the seventies. Yeah, Like there's the chance that the party

1359
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: was going to be really good and maybe he wouldn't

1360
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: find him, and then there was gonna be a convoy

1361
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: of cars heading to an orgy afterwards, and were they

1362
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: started drinking while they're talking to Carlos. So they start

1363
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: drinking while they're talking to Carlos, but then one of

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: them brings Mukarbo into the room, and Carlos realizes instantly like,

1365
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: oh shit, he fucking he fucking turned on me. And

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: while until then they just thought Carlos just thought they

1367
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: were having a nice conversation, thought, oh, these two cops,

1368
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: when I ask me some questions, I can get out

1369
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: of this because I'm a charming motherfucker. And we're all

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: at a party, and we're all at a party and

1371
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: like they seem chill, like I think I can get

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: out of this. Then they bring in his business partner,

1373
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: and Carlos did not leave his gun at home, and

1374
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: he immediately pulls a CZ fifty two automatic pistol. He

1375
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: shoots Mukarbo in the throat, and he shoots two out

1376
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: of three cops dead. Um just immediately um wounds the

1377
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: other I think, uh, and then fucking books it um

1378
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: and makes it away with like as like the whole

1379
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: country of France turning on to like chase him. He

1380
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: makes it all the way back to fucking Beirut without

1381
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: his face even getting like exposed during the He's he's

1382
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: very good at some parts of being a terrorists, like

1383
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: running away, very shooting a bunch of people in the face. Um,

1384
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: so yeah he gets away, uh, And like things are

1385
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: rough at first and Lebanon because people are like, you

1386
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 1: shot one of our heroes in the face. But then

1387
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: he's like that guy was a snitch, and then they're

1388
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 1: like all right, so things are good after that. Um yeah.

1389
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: International authorities do eventually put two and two together, and

1390
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: Carlos's name, you know, suddenly is all over the world

1391
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: news and like right around this time, by coincidence, a

1392
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,919
Speaker 1: big heat wave hits London and one of the packages

1393
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: of high explosives that he just left in an ex

1394
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: girlfriend's flat started to smell weird and they opened it

1395
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: and found a list of local Jews, a machine pistol,

1396
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: a silencer, and a bunch of bomb makers. He's a

1397
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: he's he's a whole auntie is ay thing like, yeah,

1398
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into sometimes. I understand that we shouldn't expect,

1399
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: you know, find the stations between these people are Jewish,

1400
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: and yes, the State of Israel policies I don't like

1401
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: from a guy who he is terrorist just shot his

1402
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: friend right in and he shot his friend in the

1403
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: face a second after seeing him and realizing what had happened,

1404
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: like there's a zero, like there's yeah, so uh. They

1405
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: this this girlfriend and like her boyfriend at the time,

1406
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: find all this stuff. Um, And instead of calling the

1407
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: cops because they're both like far left activists, they called

1408
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: the guardian UM and the reporter who goes over to

1409
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: their house to do the story notices a copy of

1410
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: Frederick fourth Sithes book The Day of the Jackal and

1411
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: if you remember from our episodes about the about Guinea

1412
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: and the coup's there, Frederick forsythe was the guy who

1413
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: wrote that book about how to do a coup that

1414
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: then people uses the like to do. So they find

1415
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: a copy of Frederick Forsyth's Day of the Jackal on

1416
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: the bookshelf. The reporter does and this is like while

1417
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: he's getting ready to write this story, and it gives

1418
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: him the idea for Carlos nickname, he starts calling him

1419
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 1: Carlos the Jackal. So that's this point forward and this

1420
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: is carlome jack So Carlos and this is the same

1421
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: attic where there's a bunch of there's a bunch of

1422
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: guns and decaying dynamite and gelic night local. Yeah it's

1423
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: not Look, man, I wasn't standing Carlos the Jackal until

1424
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: this point, but like he's one of those guys who

1425
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: there's moments in his life because it's so outrageous, like

1426
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: the kind of like the way everything worked in the

1427
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: seventies and the kind of terrorists he is where you're like,

1428
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so cool, and then you remember, like, oh,

1429
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: and this is also a guy who dropped a grenade

1430
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: into a crowd of strangers like I need to I

1431
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: need to cool it a little. Yeah. Yeah, and he was.

1432
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that list was not for giving people

1433
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: nice notes about how No he wasn't like keeping track

1434
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: of Yeah, no he was. It was not stuff. Yeah,

1435
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: it was for his earlier job trying to kill a

1436
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: bunch of random you know, people who supported his reel. Um.

1437
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, now, from this point forward, Carlos is, you know,

1438
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: the most wanted man on earth. This is when he

1439
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: becomes like the the most like wanted person by international

1440
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: law enforcement on the part for a while. Um, but

1441
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what also is the most wanted thing by

1442
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: international law enforcement? The manufactured demands of capitalism. I was

1443
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: going to say the products and services that support this podcast,

1444
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: but they are one and the same. Here we go,

1445
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: We're back. We're talking about Carlos the jackal uh seat

1446
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: of the j Uh. And as the summer of nineteen

1447
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: turned into fall, he was sitting in Beirut. He just

1448
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: had a whole big string of cool successes and some

1449
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: failures related to rocket launcher. Cool successes. Yeah, he killed

1450
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: people with a grenade and they got a jet. The

1451
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: seventies were quite a decade at that time. He shot

1452
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: his friend in the face instantly, instantly, immediately. So he's

1453
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: sitting in Beirut and he's planning his most ambitious attack yet,

1454
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: an assault on OPEQUE headquarters in Vienna and opecer the

1455
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: guys who run you know, oil um, they produced it

1456
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: and explored it. Yea, yeah, that's opec UM. So on

1457
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: December twenty one, he led a six person team that

1458
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: raided the annual OPEC leadership meeting and took more than

1459
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: sixty people hostage, including most of the people running OPEC.

1460
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: Three people were killed in doing a libbyan delegate and

1461
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: the opening stages of the attack now once yeah, which

1462
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: also this is one of those things where he's now

1463
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: there will be some consequences for Yeah, it's one thing

1464
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: to be p l O and be with Israel and

1465
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: everybody's like, you really want Kadafi on your side if

1466
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: you're all in this period, Yeah, you just fact with

1467
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people who might have been down

1468
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: with you. You might have let you hide in their country. Yeah, yeah,

1469
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: it's so, it didn't it's not perfect. You know, you're

1470
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: ray to OPEC, You're gonna going to crack them. That's

1471
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: the only part of a plan where several people die.

1472
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: It's not perfect, but you know, yeah, so um yeah.

1473
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: They they take over opec uh and take a bunch

1474
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: of people hostage, and once their hostages are secure, Carlos

1475
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: and his comrades make the same familiar demand for a

1476
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: plane in money that every other group of terrorists does,

1477
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: but they add something new to this. They demand that

1478
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: Austrian authorities read a letter about the Palestinian cause on

1479
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: their radio and TV networks every two hours. If Austria doesn't,

1480
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: Carlos promises to execute a hostage every fifteen minutes. I

1481
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: just love how much of this terrorism has boiled down to.

1482
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: We got some pamphlets for you. You gotta read this letter.

1483
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: We're gonna like, Yo, there's like libraries and like, can

1484
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: you imagine this sort of ship couldn't happen in the

1485
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: era of YouTube. Yeah, because YouTube is just there. You

1486
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: could just like and you know what, back when things

1487
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: were done this way, a lot of people had interesting

1488
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: plane experiences, and now we have tons of fascists. So

1489
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: so you're saying YouTube didn't I do it. I I

1490
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: am saying that we should go back to a hijacking

1491
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: based economy like things were in the Seube and ban

1492
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: the internet, ban the internet, make hijacking legal. It'll fix

1493
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. That's all I'm gonna say. There's

1494
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that plan. Yeah. So Austria is like,

1495
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to broadcast a bunch of pro

1496
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: Palestinian stuff because you have all of OPEC captured, so

1497
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: we don't really have a lot of options here. Um.

1498
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: So they give him a plane, uh, and it flies

1499
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: to out Years. Well, that's the baseline. You gotta no

1500
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: matter what happens, you get a plane. You get a plane,

1501
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: like we're having a terrorism one second. Let me, let's

1502
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: get you seven thirty seven. Come on, now, what do

1503
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: you have? What a bottle of hair spraying? You're getting Assessna.

1504
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, they fly out Years where Carlos freeze thirty

1505
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: and non Arab hostages in exchange for refueling the jet,

1506
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: which then flies to Tripoli. Uh. Now Tripoli isn't wild

1507
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: to have them there because of the Libyan they killed

1508
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: Um and a number of other reasons, minor details they

1509
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: didn't ask. Kadafi was a big asking guy. He did

1510
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: do authoritarian dictators like it when you you know, maybe

1511
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: get permission from them to do things. He's not psyched. Uh.

1512
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: So the Carlos and is like, okay, well, could you

1513
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: at least give us a plane that can like go

1514
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: further so that we can like get away with all

1515
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: these hostages we still have, And Kadafi's like, no, you

1516
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: all you killed my guy, Like fuck you. Um, I'm

1517
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: momar Kadafi. I'm not famous for being reasonable. Um. So

1518
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: you know. Eventually though, in exchange for releasing all the

1519
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: Libyan hostages and five other delegates, the plane was refueled

1520
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: and returned to Algiers, where Carlos agreed to release everybody

1521
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: else in exchange for political asylum and a huge pile

1522
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: of cash which was provided by either Saudi Arabia or Iran.

1523
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 1: Uh Now, this was supposed to this cash was supposed

1524
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: to go to the movement, but Carlos took a bunch

1525
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: of it um, which got him kicked out at the

1526
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: Popular front. Um. So you know, this is kind of

1527
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 1: the end of that part of his career, which also

1528
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: you gotta well, yeah, you also you gotta respect a

1529
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: terrorist organization that's like, okay, that time that you had

1530
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: a list of Jews you were going to kill. That's fine.

1531
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: All those times you left decaying dynamite and those ladies attics.

1532
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: At that time you just threw some grenades off of

1533
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: a balcony into a random crowd of strangers, totally fine.

1534
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: The time you totally funked up trying to shoot down

1535
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: those jets also totally fine. But you kept a bunch

1536
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: of money that we were going to use to keep

1537
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: doing those things. And that's where we draw. Yeah, that's

1538
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of where things go here. So yeah, Carlos, you know, Um,

1539
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: he winds up kind of on the run for a while.

1540
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: He flees to the Balkans, where he's detained by the

1541
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: Yugoslavian government and then sent to a rack. For some reason,

1542
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: it's never been clear to me. I mean, it's out

1543
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: of the Balkans, it's out of the Balkans. It's out

1544
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: of Yugoslavia. Yeah, that's that's what they say in the

1545
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: touris and brochures for Bagdad, not the Balkans. Ye. Well,

1546
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: and he successfully he had successfully piste off quite a

1547
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: few other countries. You getting kicked out of the Balkans. Yeah,

1548
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: so he wound up kind of wriggling out of this

1549
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: and sitting up and uh Adden, where he tried to

1550
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: form his own terrorist group made of Syrian, Lebanese and

1551
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: German rebels UM and he winds up getting the attention

1552
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: of the s Gerban government UM and their secret police,

1553
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: the Stazi, who offer him in office and a safe

1554
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: house in East Berlin. Wa like yeah, they hire him now, yeah,

1555
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: They're like, you're pretty good at this terrorism thing. Come on,

1556
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: live in Berlin. Here's this house and here's this apartment

1557
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: that we've prepped for you. Don't worry, don't bother opening

1558
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: up the walls were only the Stasie. You don't even

1559
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: know how to record things. That's what everyone says about

1560
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: the Stazi. Also the Stai famous lovers of guys who

1561
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: want to overthrow government. I don't think it really doesn't

1562
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: in Prague pretty soon, yeah, I mean, considering who they

1563
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: are and who he is, do you know about it

1564
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: before he did? And they he spent some time as

1565
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: like a semi legitimate agent of the you know, of

1566
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: the USSR, and of of East Germany and like kind

1567
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: of just like global you know, all of that stuff.

1568
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 1: He lives in Prague. He gets seventy person support staff,

1569
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: a car and the right to carry a handgun anywhere

1570
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: he wants, which is a fun thing to get to

1571
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: have to get to do in Prague in the seventies. Uh,

1572
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: this was not a great actually freedom for them to

1573
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: give him because he drank very heavily and would lock

1574
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: himself out of his hotel room and then wave a

1575
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: handgun around wildly, screaming at everyone around him. The staff

1576
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: of seventy to come in out's going to say, that's

1577
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: probably a good way to get people to let you

1578
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 1: into your apartment. I mean I could page my secretary

1579
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: or I could scream wildly and wave a hand. That's

1580
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: what do you think He's going to get a quicker response?

1581
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: So he he keeps running his terrorist group. Um, and

1582
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: obvious they do. They do some cool stuff and not

1583
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: tinnity too. They carry it an attack on a French

1584
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: nuclear reactor. Um, it didn't work out, but famous good

1585
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: targets for terrorism. And yeah, I'm as someone that really

1586
01:26:55,479 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: loves seventies Roger Moore Bond movies, I'm really pressed by

1587
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: how well this all lines up. It's amazing. Yeah, that's

1588
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: part of why those movies got made. It's because Carlos

1589
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: the Jackal was doing this ship and now he goes

1590
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: to the move and he goes he went to the

1591
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: Moon in the seventies too, and it was great. No notes,

1592
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: so um, yeah, he tries to carry his group, carries

1593
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: out an attack on a nuclear reactor. It doesn't work. Uh,

1594
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,879
Speaker 1: he's married at the time, and his wife gets arrested

1595
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: and Carlos demanded her release from France, which is kind

1596
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: of a bold move, which it sounds like we're just

1597
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna move on past this. But you say it doesn't work,

1598
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: which I assume means they didn't blow and they did

1599
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: not do that. And also his wife is just a footnote. Yeah,

1600
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: he got married at some point. He got married at

1601
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: some point. Sometimes we're fucking page twenty two here, there's

1602
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: gotta be some throw a Duffel bag full of the

1603
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: King dynamite and somebody's attic. There's a special connection. It's

1604
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: different than all the other Duffel bags you've thrown and

1605
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: all the other attics. I'm just know though, that once

1606
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: you marry someone, it makes it harder to hide Duffel

1607
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: bags of bombs and other people's attics. That really depends

1608
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: on the nature of the relationship. I was going to say,

1609
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: based on the Jackal's dead, I would say being married

1610
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: is not an impediment of throwing your whatever in anywhere

1611
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: you want. So uh, yeah, he demands his wife's release

1612
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: of France after trying to blow up their nuclear reactor,

1613
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: and France shockingly is like, we we were not going

1614
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: to be doing that really, And so Carlos the Jackal

1615
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: bombs their cultural center in Beirut, and then he bombs

1616
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: a train in France that was supposed to be occupied

1617
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: by Jack Sharrock, who was the president of France at

1618
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the time. Recently so something and they didn't give it

1619
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: to him, and so he bombed a train in a

1620
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: cultural center. And this is also now an interesting turn though,

1621
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: because at this point he's like, specifically, I was going

1622
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: to blow up a nuclear uh nuclear plant, and now

1623
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: you arrested my wife. So they were just trying to

1624
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: steal stuff from the plant. But okay, well whatever, but yeah,

1625
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: like you arrested my wife and now I'm on a

1626
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: series of terrorisms to get my wife. Is it personal

1627
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: or was he actually planning on blowing those things up anyway?

1628
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: And he's just using it a justification because if it

1629
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: really is about his wife. It might be one of

1630
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: the only he's done. Yeah. So he bought blows this plant,

1631
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: this train up that the President of France is supposed

1632
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: to be on, and he kills five passengers, he injured thirty.

1633
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: The next year he bombs two more French trains. Is

1634
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: payback for a French bombing of Lebanese training camps. Okay,

1635
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: so moved from and for like yeah, for more than

1636
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: a decade, Carlos the Jackal. You know, it was like

1637
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: the most famous terrorist on earth, the inspired movies and

1638
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot of villains and now forgotten TV action dramas. Um.

1639
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, in Prague, his drinking and his whurring in

1640
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: his increasingly unfocused attacks on civilian targets started to get

1641
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: like on the nerves of the power wars to be

1642
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: And in nineteen eighty six check security forces told him

1643
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: that French intelligence had sent a hit squad after him.

1644
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: He fled Prague and went on the start of an

1645
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,560
Speaker 1: eight year long flight from Western justice. So he is

1646
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: completely unbacked and he makes it eight years. He's very

1647
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: good at running from the law. Yeah. It's also that

1648
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: might be the longest stretch that he didn't blow something up.

1649
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: It is he's this is like in there's a reason

1650
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: he's famous, Like he wasn't bad bad guy. So he

1651
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: winds up in Syria, where he lived in the mansion

1652
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: of a Mexican millionaire for again reasons I don't know

1653
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: how to explain to you, uh, and kind of retired

1654
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: for a while. UM. France was content to give up

1655
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: on catching him, but in nineteen nineties, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

1656
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: Uh that didn't work out great. And you know, once

1657
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 1: he was licking his wounds and angry in America, he

1658
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: reached out to fame terrorist Carlos the Jackal and was like,

1659
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: what have you did some terrorism on America? UM and

1660
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Carlos I don't think really got around to it. But Uh,

1661
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Syria was you know, got kind of nervous about that

1662
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: whole deal and was like, we don't really want to

1663
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: piss off the United States right now because we were

1664
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: watching so we're you can't be in Syria anymore. So

1665
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: by the end of it, the only country in the

1666
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: world willing to shelter Carlos the Jackal was Sudan, and

1667
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Carlos immediately didn't. If you're if you're down to Sudan,

1668
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: that's your that's your last place. Um. And he wore

1669
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: his welcome out there basically instantly because again you got kicked. Yeah,

1670
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 1: all of the drinking and whorring and then like a

1671
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: pretty fundamental Yeah, he just couldn't stop drinking and whoring.

1672
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: So Sudan gives him up an extradit. Sudan extradites him

1673
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: to France. God damn ship uh in August of nineteen

1674
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: ninety four o nine. He had a good run, he

1675
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: had a asked run. But that also explains why there's

1676
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: very few communist countries that he could. Yeah. Yeah, that

1677
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: was a pretty fucking good run. Uh, pretty fucking good

1678
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: run of being the most wanted man in the world. Um.

1679
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: And this began. There was, of course, a series of

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Speaker 1: trials for his many crimes that, like the last of

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01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: them I think, just finished up. Like he was in

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01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: court recently. Um, he's still alive. He still gives interviews

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01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: sometimes in court. He's regularly defended his innocence when talking

1684
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: about specific crimes, while bragging about his involvement in general ones.

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01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: He told a French court recently, no one has executed

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01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: more people than me in the Palestinian resistance. Um. Hell,

1687
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: have the thing to brag about. He also bragged in court,

1688
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: I have been a professional revolutionary since I was a teenager.

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01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: WHI was a little bit of a little bit of

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01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: an exaggeration, but not all that much um insofar as

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01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: being trained by private tutors makes you a profession Also

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01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: in the way of like in age, he is profoundly

1693
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: a boomer at this point, and his teenagerhood versus his

1694
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: thirties are all very far away from him. She doesn't

1695
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: really matter. He was a professional revolutionary as a teenager

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01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: in the same way that the current president was a

1697
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: businessman as a teenager. His dad gave him a whole

1698
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: bunch of ship. He didn't have to work. But unlike

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01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: the current president, he did become a self made man.

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01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: He and he did it by shooting people right in

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01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: their faces and making bombs and making bombs and running

1702
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: from the police for like decades. So you know, uh.

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01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: In the end, I'd like to read a quote from

1704
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: him that he gave to a journalist that sums up

1705
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,520
Speaker 1: at least how he likes to portray his his philosophy

1706
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 1: on life. I like good food, I like to drink,

1707
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,560
Speaker 1: and I like good cigars. I like to sleep in

1708
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: a comfortable bed which has just been made. I like

1709
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: to wear good shoes. I like to play cards, poker,

1710
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and blackjack. Also like parties a dancers. But I'm against possessions.

1711
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: What I possess belongs to others as much as to me.

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01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: So that's that's his That's that's we describes himself. I'm

1713
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: just gonna put it up there. That's like a luxury

1714
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: communists a whole bunch of explosives behind you. The things

1715
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,839
Speaker 1: you possess will belong to you and other people equally

1716
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: as much. These are their explosives to and after they

1717
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: go off, no one has anything. Yeah. Look like this

1718
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 1: department that you own is also very soon going to

1719
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: be lots of other people's apartments. This is how we

1720
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: spread Marxism. Carlos. Yeah, so he's a there's a fun story. Yeah.

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01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I like this, honestly. I like this one more than

1722
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: the one where all of those Japanese college students co

1723
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: murdered each other on the mountain. So yeah, that's the

1724
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: story of Carlos the Jackal. Everybody learned something good. I

1725
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: sure did. I learned that everybody gets the plane. Everybody

1726
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: gets everybody the first no matter how badly your terrorism goes,

1727
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: you get plane. No matter what happens, you get a plane.

1728
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Were you were you trying to blow up some planes unsuccessfully?

1729
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: Let's give you a plane to make me feel better.

1730
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: Well they did shoot a bunch of cops too, Well,

1731
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: okay again, let's give you a plane to make you

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01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: feel better. Yeah, it was a cool era of terrorism

1733
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: was easily my favorite. Uh so, yeah, you gotta got

1734
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Um we're on Twitter and Instagram and medium at Curtist.

1735
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: You can find things that you write and pictures that

1736
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: you take and random things that we post on all

1737
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: of those. And you know, if you find yourself in

1738
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: the streets of Portland's getting repeated tear gas and shot

1739
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: the impact munitions by law enforcement, um, come say hi. Yeah,

1740
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 1: well we'll we'll say you should not be here, there's

1741
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,560
Speaker 1: tear gas or something along those and you'll say what

1742
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: because it'll sound like because yeah, it will be a

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01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: good time for everybody, all right, godspeed, h