WEBVTT - Conversations Handling People's Dreams 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.400 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 Senner's podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.479 loaw glasses, Malone. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:21.000 The dog Man, We're back, all right back. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.040 I had a dope conversation with the homie Joker Shout 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:31.280 out the Joker. Joker is like the most talented person 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:36.040 I've ever met in the music industry. Like, uh, we 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:42.479 shot Tupac mus Die together. We shot Nike Cortes my 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.600 night Cortez on the iPhone. He could play the drums 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:47.920 and rap at the same time. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.199 You get a video. He made puppets to be in 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:52.680 the video. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.240 Like, Joker is like, by far the most talented person 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:01.279 I've ever met in my journey, you know, in this 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.839 music industry. But we were having a really dope conversation 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:07.880 and it made me think that this would be a 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:13.880 good podcast thing to talk about. And I was explaining 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.679 to him the responsibility you have when it comes to 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.520 handling people's dreams. Like, I know you more on the 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.559 atheist side, but if you believe in God, when God 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:31.679 blesses you with the power to grant someone's dream, to 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:37.039 make a dream come true. Now, I do think the 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.679 word dream has kind of been overused. Everybody's dreaming of everything. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.200 Now it's my dream thing. This is my dream thing. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.640 That's just like a lazy word, like loyal. People don't 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:50.880 even know what that word means. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:56.919 But yeah, dream specifically, whereas like people that really dream 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:01.960 of making it in the entertainment business or whatever it is, right, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.720 and I was telling them a story. Shout out to Barbie. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:11.239 Barbie used to She used to intern. She was kind 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.880 of like a kind of studying to be the producer 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.320 of the Note Sellers podcast. Barbie does a lot of work. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.359 She's stay on the scene. Like, I'm so proud of her. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.520 She definitely has the correct grind to succeed in this business. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:31.840 Her work ethic is impeccable. I think her program is widespread, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:37.960 Velvet productions, something like that. But we were supposed to 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.120 do an interview and something happened. I think I had 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.320 to go somewhere, I had to be I think I 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.760 had to do something for snoop or something. So I 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.720 told her, like, hey, She was like, last is I 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:54.240 want to get that interview done? And I was like, uh, okay, look, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.520 if you come in the next hour, I can give 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.960 you two hours. But then I gotta go oh, and 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.760 Barbie responded, she was like, well, I think that's more 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.280 of an insult of my time, like you know, you 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.760 you you're not treating me. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.240 Like you know, like I guess. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.079 The point was she felt I wasn't treating her like 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.000 like she was successful because of how I was giving 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.840 her so much time right to get here and how 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.320 much time we had to do the interview. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.520 And I was, you know, I didn't really trip. I 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.160 was like, okay. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.240 Once she said that I wasn't really you know, being 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.480 mindful of her time or whatever whatever the actual dialogue was, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.880 I said, okay, I said, IM gonna get with you. We 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.800 could do it another time. So one day I go 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.320 to her page and she's doing like a she she 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:50.160 made a post and the post was like, uh, kind 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.600 of her being derogatory, where she was like, see artists 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.520 be thinking they too big, but that's why they not 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.680 where they want to be, because of how they treat 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.360 the people that died out well, they end up being like, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.160 you know, some pretty nasty things. And obviously I knew 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:08.680 she was talking about me, and I like the post 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:14.520 and I just put a heart in the caption and 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:19.919 we end up talking later and I told her, like, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.800 you know, I'm not sure she didn't really she didn't 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.920 really rectify the post. But you know what made me 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.080 really understand why I didn't mind because I know I'm 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.800 handling her dream. Her dream is to do publicity on 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:40.280 entertainment at the highest level, and I take her dreams. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.600 Serious, very serious. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.960 Like we have been supposed to do this interview for 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.640 eight months, but you know, again, sometimes we just off 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.760 on schedule. It's not like she's hitting me every day. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.839 Barbie is a persistent person, but you know, I'm really 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.719 trying to organize what I'm pursuing as well. But the 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.680 reason I didn't get upset at her is I know 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.240 I'm handling her dream. Now again, Glasses Malone is not 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.119 some kind of you know, i might be the best 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.359 interview on hip hop, but I'm not the greatest one. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.240 It ain't like if you sit down and have a 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.440 conversation with me, you know you're likely to get means 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.240 and use. Everybody ain't tripping off what I'm saying. I 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.120 may be the best, you may get the best content 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.560 for me and the best material. Because I do think 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.160 that's something that I could say. Okay, Glasses, you do 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.280 have that together. But it's not the greatest thing. It's 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.600 not the most financially effective thing that's gonna work for you. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.360 You know, you may have to work some of these 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:40.599 content pieces to truly benefit sure, But I also understood 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:45.159 Pete that I'm handling her dream and you have to 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.719 give people space to be upset when dreams are not 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.600 coming true, especially if people think you're capable of making 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.040 dreams come true. Now again, I don't think she's confused 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.800 with who I am, but I do know she my 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.320 journey in this hip hop thing. You know, she revers 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.200 it and there's a respect for it, even if she 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.960 talking shit when she's upset. But I know she respects it, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.880 and that's why she wants to sit down and talk. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.479 So I have to make time. But I thought that 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.600 would be a good thing to talk about. I always 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.599 notice rappers, you know, forget me using the term rappers. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.839 I always notice entertainers feel like there's a time to 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.520 turn the start them on and off. If they're at 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.280 a public restaurant and somebody wants to take a picture 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.880 with them. You know, Game used to do that. Chuck 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.520 used to do that. Shout out to Chuck, ha Your 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.120 birthday game, my boy forty five. Thank you for everything 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.279 you did for my career. I'm saying I never will 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.480 forget it. Shout out to g right and face and 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.560 folk Scent. You know what I mean, the fire of it. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.679 But he used to sometimes didn't want to take pictures 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:05.000 with fans, and I never could understand that. And you 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.960 know I've heard different entertainers. Oh well, you know, people 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.560 gotta understand I'm a regular person. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.800 No you're not sure. No, you're not. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.840 You're not a regular person. You are in a completely 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:26.120 unique situation where people celebrate you. Use the term celebrity. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.840 That means people celebrate you. They don't just celebrate you 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.200 when you feel like being celebrated. They celebrate you all 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.680 the time, which is why your standards of existing are 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.000 higher than most people. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.120 It's fine. I never really thought about it because the 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.480 spelling has been changed. But you have to celebrate tour 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:45.760 and to celebrate tea. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.120 Thanks. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:55.080 So this is no seilings. Gl My brother Peter in 0:07:55.120 --> 0:08:01.120 the house cooking on this good Tuesday. Glad y'all here 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.000 to check this out. Make sure y'all leave a comment 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.680 if you listen to this podcast. It's I think we're 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.880 doing five or six seven thousand streams every week, but 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.880 you know downloads every week, but you're not listening to 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:13.440 the podcast. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.200 I need you to listen to the podcast. I need 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.040 you to leave a comment. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.760 I need you to start driving this podcast up if 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 you want to do a solid for a solid you 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.360 know what I'm saying, Just driving this podcast because I 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.520 do want it successful, and you know, I don't know 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.800 if we're gonna be, you know, back for a fifth season. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.880 I'm just starting to like it. I you know, I 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.760 think you're finding your place in it, you know what 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.840 I'm saying. So I'm glad we did it, you know. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.280 I mean, if this is the last season, sure, sure, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:48.120 But again I think there needs to be a little 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:53.480 bit more respect from people that are celebrated when it 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.120 comes to handling other people's dreams. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.680 Yeah. I mean, this is one of those things where 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:07.240 if it's content, that's you, you know what I mean. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.719 It's like a you're selling a relationship more than you're 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.440 selling a product in a lot of senses. So it's 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.360 like you want to take their money. You don't want 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.520 to take their picture. That's like halving a girl. You 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.439 want to take her pussy. You don't want to take 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.960 her opinion. It's not probably gonna last real long. You know, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.120 it's gonna be a little contentious and then it's gonna 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.800 burn itself out. So you have to be appreciative of 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.160 that relationship if you have it. You know, a lot 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:35.720 more people want it than have it. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.080 And I do think the reason they want it is 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.560 all for the wrong reasons and it's not. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.600 Going to be literally want. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:46.080 So probably true. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.280 I think a lot of like I'm starting to realize, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.120 I think we talked about this, that people are getting 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.640 corded onto gangs, like jumped into gangs because they want 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.440 to be a rapper, and so they want the cultural 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.480 cachet that comes with being right. They may have no 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.680 other access points into street urban culture right, or they 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:10.280 feel like. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.640 The movement of it all so please them, you know 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:15.120 what I'm saying. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.640 So they go and join a movement that could have 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.760 true implications on if they live or die to be 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:23.360 old men. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.360 I would respect him more if they just went out 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.400 and just strategically committed a crime that came with like 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.199 a twenty four to thirty six month kind of predictable 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.959 sentence and just did your time came out yeah, I'm 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.640 a feeling. Yeah, I did a couple of years whatever, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.560 like really go for it, you know, not just like yeah, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.600 I live thirty miles out of that neighborhood of those 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.320 guys did whoop my ass over lunch? 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.079 That is true. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.440 You know what's funny when I think about Tupac's journey, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.240 I genuinely now his case. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.120 You know, his case. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.079 It's real, you know what I mean, Like he took 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.640 a he was in a really weird case based off 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.320 his relationship and misunderstanding with some lady with a young lady. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.800 Shout out to that lady his actual. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.120 Case right that he went to prison over. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.880 But I remember, you know, him going into jail and 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:27.360 how like messed up he was about going to jail, 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.120 like to the point where there was a time I 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:30.760 thought Pap was gonna tell. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.080 He was like, you know, it wasn't. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.360 I wasn't just there, no, he because because the case 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:36.920 was like. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:44.160 Okay, so so of his case. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.120 It's not a simple sexual caught a sexual case. Shout 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:49.640 out to the R word. I don't want to use 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.520 it because I heard they be tripping when you use 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:57.640 the R word. But the sexual assault case, if I 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:03.319 understood correctly was rooted in pop You know this girl 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.880 he was kind of messing around with. He let his friends. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.560 He opened the door and allowed his friends to come 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:10.760 in and sleep with this label. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:11.920 Oh conductor. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:13.880 Yes. Now. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.880 I think the lady initially didn't complain because she thought 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:22.720 this is what PAP wanted. And then after their relationship fizzled, right, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.040 she decided to go to the police, like this is 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.400 what happened. Right, because the R word right, or sexual 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.200 assault is not about a woman. It's not about a 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.920 woman not saying no. That's it's not about a woman 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.880 saying no. That's not what it is. A woman needs 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.640 to say yes. Sure, she don't have to say no. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.080 If she doesn't say yes, you can be convicted on 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.920 that level of sexual assault. So I say that to 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.840 say right. So when he was going to jail, he 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.760 was like yeah, like I was the only person that room. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.840 It was other people there too, And I remember seeing 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.560 that like, well, that sound like he about to break. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.760 But the point I'm getting to is when he decided 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.079 that his time in prison right because he was always reading. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.440 I remember hearing the stories and watching him speak about it. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.000 But when he started to make his plan about how 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.319 he was going to take over the business based off 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.840 of this experience right that he was going through currently 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.200 and everything else he'd been through, and his attitude. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.320 He wrote it out like a. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:35.920 Blueprint, came home and built a mansion, not a not 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.520 a real mansion. He bought a mansion, but he built 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.360 a proverbial mansion. Out of his career at the highest 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.360 level his music career in ten months and passed away. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.280 All he did have a start. I mean, obviously he 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.280 had plage of records, he had a couple of things, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.360 but he was far from being the number one rapper 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.520 in the game before that. I don't think there was 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.840 a year before that. Maybe ninety five pop could have 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:10.680 been top three maybe. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:22.680 Maybe I know he was top five in ninety five. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.160 I'm sure I'm comfortable saying he was top five, but 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.040 I don't know if he was top three verses in 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.120 ninety six. He became the number one five pre death Row, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.720 pre death Row, when he was yeah when when? 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:34.800 When? Uh? 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.160 The album came out? They had Dear Mama. I don't 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.120 know why that album is slipping my mind. The title 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:45.320 of it be against the Work Okay is album number 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.240 one that he ended up doing a quarter million first week, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.240 which is more than he did on the double CD, right, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:54.960 so you know. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.000 Big records. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.520 Dear Mama shed so many tears, which to me got 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.600 him a differ from street following, especially on the West. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.880 But I say that to say, like his dream was 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.640 realized in that much time, you know, right once he planned. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.600 So back to your point where it's like, like you 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.640 would respect more of somebody, you know, if you're going 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.480 to do a crime, and then you built this as 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.040 your platform to declare how street you are and how solid. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:24.880 You are, and that's. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:32.920 Right, yeah, yeah, No, Pop didn't go that route, but 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.840 he did make the most out of his misfortune. And 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.400 that's what hip hop is all about, making the most. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.160 That's what street urban culture is about finding pride in 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.920 your unfortunate situations, and in hip hop, it's about making 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.640 true art out of this this unfortunate experience, you know, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.600 I mean using that pride, and. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.640 That's an interesting thing. And I don't want to rabbit 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:04.760 hole this forever, but like I can not sympathize, I 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:11.320 can understand like getting totally thrown off to the point 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:18.040 where you might, you know, compromise your integrity through a 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:23.280 testimony when you get brought in on a crime that 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.760 you didn't intend to commit. You know what I'm saying 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.760 like that, that would be jarring. Like if you go out, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.160 if you are like, I'm gonna go do that. I 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.520 know it's illegal, We're gonna go do that. Everyone, we're 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.680 doing that. I'm doing that, and then afterwards you fold 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.960 what the hell are you? But if you're like, yeah, yeah, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.600 we're having a good time. Okay, you're facing five what like, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.040 like that's very traumatic? 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:55.640 No, yeah, pos pos Po journey, you know, yeah, Po's 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.400 journey definitely had some level of trauma. But again, great 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:05.680 hip hop artists take ownership over trauma. Sure, I mean 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.800 modern hip hop artists seems like they're falling victim to it. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:13.000 That's the thing that people celebrated then falling victim to 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.840 their trauma. But the hip hop music I grew up 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.040 on was all about taking ownership and control of trauma. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.800 Like it was cool, like Okay, they got drugs in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.160 my community, Well guess what, I'm finna get rich with these. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.240 I ain't finna do them. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.840 Versus today where it's like, you know, people are like, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.960 oh okay, well I can't handle the stresses of this 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.520 current situation. So I'm going to do the drugs, and 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.120 I'm going to celebrate how much money I make by 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.840 how expensive the drugs are that I do. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.560 And how relatable my plight is to other people, you know, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.360 so to speak like that, and that's that's a generational thing. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.280 Like I mean, I don't know why it took me 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.040 such a long time to articulate it concisely, but I 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.320 remember being at the Black Effect thing in Atlanta, and 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.240 I don't remember who was even on stage. It's just 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:03.920 I could hear it. We were in the back where 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.720 the food was so that I couldn't see. They're just 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.800 noise coming and it was somebody was talking about something 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.680 to like a psychiatrist on the stage about like blah 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.879 blah blah blah, the first grade. And she'said, this is 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.320 your trauma. Everyone's trauma, trauma, trauma, and this kind of 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.080 being on the wrong side of like you know, victim mentality, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.160 whatever the hell, But there's a there's a generational difference 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.720 between how things are perceived. And I was like, I 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.080 don't want to hear about your trauma. I want to 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.920 hear about your durability. And that was what I thought 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.359 was so great about that generation. That era was the 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.640 theme was about the durability. You know, everything was like, yeah, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.240 all this shit's happening, and I'm durable and I'm walking 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.040 through it. Now it's like, all this shit's happening and 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.720 I can't handle it. There's a different tenor to those 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:45.200 two things. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.400 That's a great point. They definitely everything is about being 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.320 close to suicide today. Yeah, I wasn't celebrated when I 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.000 was growing up. It was about the durability. Well, I 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.840 mean or I throw us the crunch era, so oh yeah, yeah, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.760 shout out to shout out to the boys from Seattle. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.679 Uh Nirvana, Yeah, al. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.639 Changed all of bost of those guys. Seattle Rock in 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.359 the nineties went out like south Side Houston rappers in 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.040 the two thousands, only about four left. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.040 You know what's funny, growing up, it was considered white 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.040 to commit suicide. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.520 Statistically, it was considered. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.640 White, saying, ain't that crazy how that worked? 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.800 Though, Like, yeah, that was like some white people ship 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.360 mm hmm doing, Like committing suicide was the whitest thing 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:40.800 you could do when I grew up. Yeah, as a brother, 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.040 you were like you were told to endure, you were 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.479 supposed to endure and and and that is the driving 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:50.680 force that made hip hop. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:55.000 Gret I agree with you there. I think people truly. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:20:00.440 Enjoyed, you know what I mean that all this struggle, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.399 people talking about all this misfortune, and that is the 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.359 great that's a great point about hip hop, you know 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.080 what I mean. And it is a dream come true 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.159 for the ghetto. Whereas like we can't afford the finance 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:17.840 Mercedes Benz, So we pushed grandfathers old and Pola out 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.399 the yard. Right, we take it apart, do all the 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.359 new interior painted. We put the wired wheels on it, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:31.000 put some airport you know, landing gear on it called hydraulics, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.280 and look, look, world, this is what we did, you 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.640 know what I mean. And I think America in the 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.800 world was like that's all right, you know, damn they 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.919 they did that with that, that's you know, even your father, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.879 right would have to be like, no, that's okay. Like 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.600 I like how they made the most out of their circumstance, 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.719 even the broken English. Instead of you know, letting it 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.760 be a setback, letting it be a setback, right, it 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.639 was like, oh no, we're gonna take pride in the 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:09.280 fact our English programs are bad, and our schooling is underfunded, 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.359 and we're gonna still communicate, and we're gonna make it 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:12.720 cool to. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.240 Communicate, you know. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.040 I mean, oh, oh, you know what, all we can 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.520 afford you know, you going to school. Your parents can 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.520 only afford seven pairs of work pants because work pants 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.680 were cheap, right, the dickies were cheap. And it's like, nah, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.239 but I'm gonna put a crease in mind and I'm 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.359 gonna cuff the bottom of them. I'm gonna put a 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.240 flare in a fashion with them. Oh, you know what, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.000 the All Star Chuck Tator's there, twelve dollars. They're cheap, 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.159 and your your mom can get you four pair, you know, 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.320 so you have four different colors, you know what. I'm 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.000 gonna put a big lace in them, and I'm gonna 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.159 flip the tongue down like it was a pride in 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:49.000 that struggle. So yeah, people would still be complaining about 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.840 the struggle, but also they would take pride in the 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.000 fact that they are surviving it with another level. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.720 And I think that that's an interesting dichotomy of always 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:06.200 kind of observed between even like chronologically prior eras of 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.480 like particularly black music, even like in the Islands, like 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.560 Jamaican music, you know. At the same time, it was 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.920 like there was sort of an inverse relationship between how 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.320 circumstantially downtrodden stuff was and then the music was happier, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.440 you know, And then there was a sweet spot in 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:31.600 hip hop where was like, we're putting out strength and 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:36.119 perseverance to our people listening, but we're also going to 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.240 try to pair that with some understanding of why we're 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.760 feeling this way to listeners that are outside of our circle, 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:45.800 you know what I mean. And then you go into 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.159 like the suburbs where like everyone's happy and it's like 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.000 the darkest, most souicidal music you can fire in the world. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.359 And I think part of that's the human desire to 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.960 have three hundred and sixty degrees of the emotional experience. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.159 You have to manufacture joy, and you have to manufacture 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.280 anger sad if you aren't giving it, you know what 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.439 I mean, to a degree, I like that. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.239