Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Senner's podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses, Malone.
Speaker 2: The dog Man, We're back, all right back.
Speaker 1: I had a dope conversation with the homie Joker Shout
Speaker 1: out the Joker. Joker is like the most talented person
Speaker 1: I've ever met in the music industry. Like, uh, we
Speaker 1: shot Tupac mus Die together. We shot Nike Cortes my
Speaker 1: night Cortez on the iPhone. He could play the drums
Speaker 1: and rap at the same time.
Speaker 3: You get a video. He made puppets to be in
Speaker 3: the video.
Speaker 1: Like, Joker is like, by far the most talented person
Speaker 1: I've ever met in my journey, you know, in this
Speaker 1: music industry. But we were having a really dope conversation
Speaker 1: and it made me think that this would be a
Speaker 1: good podcast thing to talk about. And I was explaining
Speaker 1: to him the responsibility you have when it comes to
Speaker 1: handling people's dreams. Like, I know you more on the
Speaker 1: atheist side, but if you believe in God, when God
Speaker 1: blesses you with the power to grant someone's dream, to
Speaker 1: make a dream come true. Now, I do think the
Speaker 1: word dream has kind of been overused. Everybody's dreaming of everything.
Speaker 1: Now it's my dream thing. This is my dream thing.
Speaker 3: That's just like a lazy word, like loyal. People don't
Speaker 3: even know what that word means.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dream specifically, whereas like people that really dream
Speaker 1: of making it in the entertainment business or whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: and I was telling them a story. Shout out to Barbie.
Speaker 1: Barbie used to She used to intern. She was kind
Speaker 1: of like a kind of studying to be the producer
Speaker 1: of the Note Sellers podcast. Barbie does a lot of work.
Speaker 1: She's stay on the scene. Like, I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 1: She definitely has the correct grind to succeed in this business.
Speaker 1: Her work ethic is impeccable. I think her program is widespread,
Speaker 1: Velvet productions, something like that. But we were supposed to
Speaker 1: do an interview and something happened. I think I had
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, I had to be I think I
Speaker 1: had to do something for snoop or something. So I
Speaker 1: told her, like, hey, She was like, last is I
Speaker 1: want to get that interview done? And I was like, uh, okay, look,
Speaker 1: if you come in the next hour, I can give
Speaker 1: you two hours. But then I gotta go oh, and
Speaker 1: Barbie responded, she was like, well, I think that's more
Speaker 1: of an insult of my time, like you know, you
Speaker 1: you you're not treating me.
Speaker 3: Like you know, like I guess.
Speaker 1: The point was she felt I wasn't treating her like
Speaker 1: like she was successful because of how I was giving
Speaker 1: her so much time right to get here and how
Speaker 1: much time we had to do the interview.
Speaker 3: And I was, you know, I didn't really trip. I
Speaker 3: was like, okay.
Speaker 1: Once she said that I wasn't really you know, being
Speaker 1: mindful of her time or whatever whatever the actual dialogue was,
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I said, IM gonna get with you. We
Speaker 1: could do it another time. So one day I go
Speaker 1: to her page and she's doing like a she she
Speaker 1: made a post and the post was like, uh, kind
Speaker 1: of her being derogatory, where she was like, see artists
Speaker 1: be thinking they too big, but that's why they not
Speaker 1: where they want to be, because of how they treat
Speaker 1: the people that died out well, they end up being like,
Speaker 1: you know, some pretty nasty things. And obviously I knew
Speaker 1: she was talking about me, and I like the post
Speaker 1: and I just put a heart in the caption and
Speaker 1: we end up talking later and I told her, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure she didn't really she didn't
Speaker 1: really rectify the post. But you know what made me
Speaker 1: really understand why I didn't mind because I know I'm
Speaker 1: handling her dream. Her dream is to do publicity on
Speaker 1: entertainment at the highest level, and I take her dreams.
Speaker 3: Serious, very serious.
Speaker 1: Like we have been supposed to do this interview for
Speaker 1: eight months, but you know, again, sometimes we just off
Speaker 1: on schedule. It's not like she's hitting me every day.
Speaker 1: Barbie is a persistent person, but you know, I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to organize what I'm pursuing as well. But the
Speaker 1: reason I didn't get upset at her is I know
Speaker 1: I'm handling her dream. Now again, Glasses Malone is not
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, i might be the best
Speaker 1: interview on hip hop, but I'm not the greatest one.
Speaker 1: It ain't like if you sit down and have a
Speaker 1: conversation with me, you know you're likely to get means
Speaker 1: and use. Everybody ain't tripping off what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: may be the best, you may get the best content
Speaker 1: for me and the best material. Because I do think
Speaker 1: that's something that I could say. Okay, Glasses, you do
Speaker 1: have that together. But it's not the greatest thing. It's
Speaker 1: not the most financially effective thing that's gonna work for you.
Speaker 1: You know, you may have to work some of these
Speaker 1: content pieces to truly benefit sure, But I also understood
Speaker 1: Pete that I'm handling her dream and you have to
Speaker 1: give people space to be upset when dreams are not
Speaker 1: coming true, especially if people think you're capable of making
Speaker 1: dreams come true. Now again, I don't think she's confused
Speaker 1: with who I am, but I do know she my
Speaker 1: journey in this hip hop thing. You know, she revers
Speaker 1: it and there's a respect for it, even if she
Speaker 1: talking shit when she's upset. But I know she respects it,
Speaker 1: and that's why she wants to sit down and talk.
Speaker 1: So I have to make time. But I thought that
Speaker 1: would be a good thing to talk about. I always
Speaker 1: notice rappers, you know, forget me using the term rappers.
Speaker 1: I always notice entertainers feel like there's a time to
Speaker 1: turn the start them on and off. If they're at
Speaker 1: a public restaurant and somebody wants to take a picture
Speaker 1: with them. You know, Game used to do that. Chuck
Speaker 1: used to do that. Shout out to Chuck, ha Your
Speaker 1: birthday game, my boy forty five. Thank you for everything
Speaker 1: you did for my career. I'm saying I never will
Speaker 1: forget it. Shout out to g right and face and
Speaker 1: folk Scent. You know what I mean, the fire of it.
Speaker 1: But he used to sometimes didn't want to take pictures
Speaker 1: with fans, and I never could understand that. And you
Speaker 1: know I've heard different entertainers. Oh well, you know, people
Speaker 1: gotta understand I'm a regular person.
Speaker 3: No you're not sure. No, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're not a regular person. You are in a completely
Speaker 1: unique situation where people celebrate you. Use the term celebrity.
Speaker 1: That means people celebrate you. They don't just celebrate you
Speaker 1: when you feel like being celebrated. They celebrate you all
Speaker 1: the time, which is why your standards of existing are
Speaker 1: higher than most people.
Speaker 2: It's fine. I never really thought about it because the
Speaker 2: spelling has been changed. But you have to celebrate tour
Speaker 2: and to celebrate tea.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: So this is no seilings. Gl My brother Peter in
Speaker 1: the house cooking on this good Tuesday. Glad y'all here
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Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast. It's I think we're
Speaker 1: doing five or six seven thousand streams every week, but
Speaker 1: you know downloads every week, but you're not listening to
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 3: I need you to listen to the podcast. I need
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Speaker 1: I need you to start driving this podcast up if
Speaker 1: you want to do a solid for a solid you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just driving this podcast because I
Speaker 1: do want it successful, and you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be, you know, back for a fifth season.
Speaker 1: I'm just starting to like it. I you know, I
Speaker 1: think you're finding your place in it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm glad we did it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if this is the last season, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: But again I think there needs to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more respect from people that are celebrated when it
Speaker 1: comes to handling other people's dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this is one of those things where
Speaker 2: if it's content, that's you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like a you're selling a relationship more than you're
Speaker 2: selling a product in a lot of senses. So it's
Speaker 2: like you want to take their money. You don't want
Speaker 2: to take their picture. That's like halving a girl. You
Speaker 2: want to take her pussy. You don't want to take
Speaker 2: her opinion. It's not probably gonna last real long. You know,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little contentious and then it's gonna
Speaker 2: burn itself out. So you have to be appreciative of
Speaker 2: that relationship if you have it. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: more people want it than have it.
Speaker 1: And I do think the reason they want it is
Speaker 1: all for the wrong reasons and it's not.
Speaker 3: Going to be literally want.
Speaker 2: So probably true.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of like I'm starting to realize,
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this, that people are getting
Speaker 1: corded onto gangs, like jumped into gangs because they want
Speaker 1: to be a rapper, and so they want the cultural
Speaker 1: cachet that comes with being right. They may have no
Speaker 1: other access points into street urban culture right, or they
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 3: The movement of it all so please them, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they go and join a movement that could have
Speaker 1: true implications on if they live or die to be
Speaker 1: old men.
Speaker 2: I would respect him more if they just went out
Speaker 2: and just strategically committed a crime that came with like
Speaker 2: a twenty four to thirty six month kind of predictable
Speaker 2: sentence and just did your time came out yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: a feeling. Yeah, I did a couple of years whatever,
Speaker 2: like really go for it, you know, not just like yeah,
Speaker 2: I live thirty miles out of that neighborhood of those
Speaker 2: guys did whoop my ass over lunch?
Speaker 3: That is true.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny when I think about Tupac's journey,
Speaker 1: I genuinely now his case.
Speaker 3: You know, his case.
Speaker 1: It's real, you know what I mean, Like he took
Speaker 1: a he was in a really weird case based off
Speaker 1: his relationship and misunderstanding with some lady with a young lady.
Speaker 1: Shout out to that lady his actual.
Speaker 3: Case right that he went to prison over.
Speaker 1: But I remember, you know, him going into jail and
Speaker 1: how like messed up he was about going to jail,
Speaker 1: like to the point where there was a time I
Speaker 1: thought Pap was gonna tell.
Speaker 3: He was like, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't just there, no, he because because the case
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 3: Okay, so so of his case.
Speaker 1: It's not a simple sexual caught a sexual case. Shout
Speaker 1: out to the R word. I don't want to use
Speaker 1: it because I heard they be tripping when you use
Speaker 1: the R word. But the sexual assault case, if I
Speaker 1: understood correctly was rooted in pop You know this girl
Speaker 1: he was kind of messing around with. He let his friends.
Speaker 1: He opened the door and allowed his friends to come
Speaker 1: in and sleep with this label.
Speaker 2: Oh conductor.
Speaker 3: Yes. Now.
Speaker 1: I think the lady initially didn't complain because she thought
Speaker 1: this is what PAP wanted. And then after their relationship fizzled, right,
Speaker 1: she decided to go to the police, like this is
Speaker 1: what happened. Right, because the R word right, or sexual
Speaker 1: assault is not about a woman. It's not about a
Speaker 1: woman not saying no. That's it's not about a woman
Speaker 1: saying no. That's not what it is. A woman needs
Speaker 1: to say yes. Sure, she don't have to say no.
Speaker 1: If she doesn't say yes, you can be convicted on
Speaker 1: that level of sexual assault. So I say that to
Speaker 1: say right. So when he was going to jail, he
Speaker 1: was like yeah, like I was the only person that room.
Speaker 1: It was other people there too, And I remember seeing
Speaker 1: that like, well, that sound like he about to break.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm getting to is when he decided
Speaker 1: that his time in prison right because he was always reading.
Speaker 3: I remember hearing the stories and watching him speak about it.
Speaker 1: But when he started to make his plan about how
Speaker 1: he was going to take over the business based off
Speaker 1: of this experience right that he was going through currently
Speaker 1: and everything else he'd been through, and his attitude.
Speaker 3: He wrote it out like a.
Speaker 1: Blueprint, came home and built a mansion, not a not
Speaker 1: a real mansion. He bought a mansion, but he built
Speaker 1: a proverbial mansion. Out of his career at the highest
Speaker 1: level his music career in ten months and passed away.
Speaker 1: All he did have a start. I mean, obviously he
Speaker 1: had plage of records, he had a couple of things,
Speaker 1: but he was far from being the number one rapper
Speaker 1: in the game before that. I don't think there was
Speaker 1: a year before that. Maybe ninety five pop could have
Speaker 1: been top three maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe I know he was top five in ninety five.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm comfortable saying he was top five, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was top three verses in
Speaker 1: ninety six. He became the number one five pre death Row,
Speaker 1: pre death Row, when he was yeah when when?
Speaker 3: When? Uh?
Speaker 1: The album came out? They had Dear Mama. I don't
Speaker 1: know why that album is slipping my mind. The title
Speaker 1: of it be against the Work Okay is album number
Speaker 1: one that he ended up doing a quarter million first week,
Speaker 1: which is more than he did on the double CD, right,
Speaker 1: so you know.
Speaker 3: Big records.
Speaker 1: Dear Mama shed so many tears, which to me got
Speaker 1: him a differ from street following, especially on the West.
Speaker 1: But I say that to say, like his dream was
Speaker 1: realized in that much time, you know, right once he planned.
Speaker 1: So back to your point where it's like, like you
Speaker 1: would respect more of somebody, you know, if you're going
Speaker 1: to do a crime, and then you built this as
Speaker 1: your platform to declare how street you are and how solid.
Speaker 3: You are, and that's.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, No, Pop didn't go that route, but
Speaker 1: he did make the most out of his misfortune. And
Speaker 1: that's what hip hop is all about, making the most.
Speaker 1: That's what street urban culture is about finding pride in
Speaker 1: your unfortunate situations, and in hip hop, it's about making
Speaker 1: true art out of this this unfortunate experience, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean using that pride, and.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing. And I don't want to rabbit
Speaker 2: hole this forever, but like I can not sympathize, I
Speaker 2: can understand like getting totally thrown off to the point
Speaker 2: where you might, you know, compromise your integrity through a
Speaker 2: testimony when you get brought in on a crime that
Speaker 2: you didn't intend to commit. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: like that, that would be jarring. Like if you go out,
Speaker 2: if you are like, I'm gonna go do that. I
Speaker 2: know it's illegal, We're gonna go do that. Everyone, we're
Speaker 2: doing that. I'm doing that, and then afterwards you fold
Speaker 2: what the hell are you? But if you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're having a good time. Okay, you're facing five what like,
Speaker 2: like that's very traumatic?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, pos pos Po journey, you know, yeah, Po's
Speaker 1: journey definitely had some level of trauma. But again, great
Speaker 1: hip hop artists take ownership over trauma. Sure, I mean
Speaker 1: modern hip hop artists seems like they're falling victim to it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that people celebrated then falling victim to
Speaker 1: their trauma. But the hip hop music I grew up
Speaker 1: on was all about taking ownership and control of trauma.
Speaker 1: Like it was cool, like Okay, they got drugs in
Speaker 1: my community, Well guess what, I'm finna get rich with these.
Speaker 3: I ain't finna do them.
Speaker 1: Versus today where it's like, you know, people are like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, well I can't handle the stresses of this
Speaker 1: current situation. So I'm going to do the drugs, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to celebrate how much money I make by
Speaker 1: how expensive the drugs are that I do.
Speaker 2: And how relatable my plight is to other people, you know,
Speaker 2: so to speak like that, and that's that's a generational thing.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I don't know why it took me
Speaker 2: such a long time to articulate it concisely, but I
Speaker 2: remember being at the Black Effect thing in Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: I don't remember who was even on stage. It's just
Speaker 2: I could hear it. We were in the back where
Speaker 2: the food was so that I couldn't see. They're just
Speaker 2: noise coming and it was somebody was talking about something
Speaker 2: to like a psychiatrist on the stage about like blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, the first grade. And she'said, this is
Speaker 2: your trauma. Everyone's trauma, trauma, trauma, and this kind of
Speaker 2: being on the wrong side of like you know, victim mentality,
Speaker 2: whatever the hell, But there's a there's a generational difference
Speaker 2: between how things are perceived. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about your trauma. I want to
Speaker 2: hear about your durability. And that was what I thought
Speaker 2: was so great about that generation. That era was the
Speaker 2: theme was about the durability. You know, everything was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: all this shit's happening, and I'm durable and I'm walking
Speaker 2: through it. Now it's like, all this shit's happening and
Speaker 2: I can't handle it. There's a different tenor to those
Speaker 2: two things.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. They definitely everything is about being
Speaker 1: close to suicide today. Yeah, I wasn't celebrated when I
Speaker 1: was growing up. It was about the durability. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean or I throw us the crunch era, so oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to shout out to the boys from Seattle.
Speaker 3: Uh Nirvana, Yeah, al.
Speaker 2: Changed all of bost of those guys. Seattle Rock in
Speaker 2: the nineties went out like south Side Houston rappers in
Speaker 2: the two thousands, only about four left.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, growing up, it was considered white
Speaker 1: to commit suicide.
Speaker 2: Statistically, it was considered.
Speaker 3: White, saying, ain't that crazy how that worked?
Speaker 1: Though, Like, yeah, that was like some white people ship
Speaker 1: mm hmm doing, Like committing suicide was the whitest thing
Speaker 1: you could do when I grew up. Yeah, as a brother,
Speaker 1: you were like you were told to endure, you were
Speaker 1: supposed to endure and and and that is the driving
Speaker 1: force that made hip hop.
Speaker 3: Gret I agree with you there. I think people truly.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed, you know what I mean that all this struggle,
Speaker 1: people talking about all this misfortune, and that is the
Speaker 1: great that's a great point about hip hop, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it is a dream come true
Speaker 1: for the ghetto. Whereas like we can't afford the finance
Speaker 1: Mercedes Benz, So we pushed grandfathers old and Pola out
Speaker 1: the yard. Right, we take it apart, do all the
Speaker 1: new interior painted. We put the wired wheels on it,
Speaker 1: put some airport you know, landing gear on it called hydraulics,
Speaker 1: and look, look, world, this is what we did, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think America in the
Speaker 1: world was like that's all right, you know, damn they
Speaker 1: they did that with that, that's you know, even your father,
Speaker 1: right would have to be like, no, that's okay. Like
Speaker 1: I like how they made the most out of their circumstance,
Speaker 1: even the broken English. Instead of you know, letting it
Speaker 1: be a setback, letting it be a setback, right, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, we're gonna take pride in the
Speaker 1: fact our English programs are bad, and our schooling is underfunded,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna still communicate, and we're gonna make it
Speaker 1: cool to.
Speaker 3: Communicate, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, oh, you know what, all we can
Speaker 1: afford you know, you going to school. Your parents can
Speaker 1: only afford seven pairs of work pants because work pants
Speaker 1: were cheap, right, the dickies were cheap. And it's like, nah,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put a crease in mind and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cuff the bottom of them. I'm gonna put a
Speaker 1: flare in a fashion with them. Oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: the All Star Chuck Tator's there, twelve dollars. They're cheap,
Speaker 1: and your your mom can get you four pair, you know,
Speaker 1: so you have four different colors, you know what. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put a big lace in them, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: flip the tongue down like it was a pride in
Speaker 1: that struggle. So yeah, people would still be complaining about
Speaker 1: the struggle, but also they would take pride in the
Speaker 1: fact that they are surviving it with another level.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's an interesting dichotomy of always
Speaker 2: kind of observed between even like chronologically prior eras of
Speaker 2: like particularly black music, even like in the Islands, like
Speaker 2: Jamaican music, you know. At the same time, it was
Speaker 2: like there was sort of an inverse relationship between how
Speaker 2: circumstantially downtrodden stuff was and then the music was happier,
Speaker 2: you know, And then there was a sweet spot in
Speaker 2: hip hop where was like, we're putting out strength and
Speaker 2: perseverance to our people listening, but we're also going to
Speaker 2: try to pair that with some understanding of why we're
Speaker 2: feeling this way to listeners that are outside of our circle,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then you go into
Speaker 2: like the suburbs where like everyone's happy and it's like
Speaker 2: the darkest, most souicidal music you can fire in the world.
Speaker 2: And I think part of that's the human desire to
Speaker 2: have three hundred and sixty degrees of the emotional experience.
Speaker 2: You have to manufacture joy, and you have to manufacture
Speaker 2: anger sad if you aren't giving it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, to a degree, I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that. You what's your dream do you do?
Speaker 3: You do you have a dream?
Speaker 2: I don't have a dream no more. I used to
Speaker 2: have some those are those are gone. I'm just I mean,
Speaker 2: like bluntly speaking, I'm just waiting it out.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a dream like that anymore. I really
Speaker 1: feel like, why would I dream like? To me, a
Speaker 1: dream should only be some things that no human has achieved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a dream would be going to Mars. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how people could dream about a car that's mass produced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what drives me insane? And I and
Speaker 2: I've brought it up before I was I had an
Speaker 2: interest in doing contact. If I was gonna spin off
Speaker 2: some individual like thing, I just never did it. I'm
Speaker 2: fascinated by just thumbing through women's profiles on dating apps
Speaker 2: of how they describe themselves in their own words. For
Speaker 2: the aggregate psychological intake of data that you can do
Speaker 2: so rapidly, it's like watching a giant polling project and
Speaker 2: fast forward. It's really And there's certain themes that I
Speaker 2: noticed that are like perfect encapsulations of time and space
Speaker 2: in the human experience. And one of them is what
Speaker 2: is your dream for the next year? That they always
Speaker 2: say the ship, And it's always some stupid fuck travel
Speaker 2: destination they want to go to. For the backgrounds and
Speaker 2: all of it.
Speaker 1: I would love to one day figure out how that
Speaker 1: became a thing. I do not remember growing up in
Speaker 1: women traveling being a thing five years. But if you
Speaker 1: if you you think about women culturally, and I mean
Speaker 1: women culturally, because there's a culture.
Speaker 3: Of being a woman, all women, and they are like.
Speaker 1: Way more human than we are, right, like it's gonna
Speaker 1: This is why I think they're way more human because
Speaker 1: they are so in tune with the other what the
Speaker 1: other one has and wants.
Speaker 3: They are so in tune with.
Speaker 1: It, like think about it, like girls want big titties
Speaker 1: because they saw another girl with big titties. Girls want
Speaker 1: girls want big booties because they've seen another girl with
Speaker 1: big I have never looked at any man and said
Speaker 1: to myself, I want what that person has, like it
Speaker 1: doesn't fit me. It may not fit me. Like I've
Speaker 1: never looked at your beard. It was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: die my beard red like Pete.
Speaker 2: That's probably good.
Speaker 1: But women, they they create these standards that kind of
Speaker 1: becomes the thing the whole time, like like eyelashes or traveling,
Speaker 1: and like if you ask them past where they're talking from,
Speaker 1: you like, well, why do you want to go there?
Speaker 1: They don't really know anything about the police.
Speaker 2: That is the show stopper conversation that I've had with
Speaker 2: more girls over the last few years. I want to
Speaker 2: go here, don't you suck traveling? No? And I save
Speaker 2: my usual phrase that I always say, the juice isn't
Speaker 2: worth the squeeze. I just can't believe ho you would
Speaker 2: want to go to trouble. What's your itinerary? You just
Speaker 2: want to sit by a pool, have a cocktail and
Speaker 2: take a picture of it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: You could do that at the fucking hotel up the street.
Speaker 2: If you took four days off and went to a
Speaker 2: nice hotel with a nice pool, and your town is
Speaker 2: fucked off three thousand dollars for the sake of it,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know the difference.
Speaker 1: Well, they would have to first admit that they are
Speaker 1: doing things for social currency, and women truly hate to
Speaker 1: admit that.
Speaker 3: Weirdly, I don't know why they thanks, hey.
Speaker 1: Hate to admit things everything. I don't know what that is, man,
Speaker 1: but they are so busy. It's weird because they are
Speaker 1: so envious over each other.
Speaker 2: And the only like trace of a manifestation of that
Speaker 2: that exists on our side. It's like, guys kind of
Speaker 2: want I don't say, specifically, you walk by with Susie.
Speaker 2: I want Susie, but I want a girl comparable to Susie.
Speaker 2: That's kind of where it ends. It's like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: got a bad matche. I want a bad bitch like that.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the most that it happens really for
Speaker 2: men in general speak. It's not like I really want
Speaker 2: that guy shoes so fucking bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is not something normal. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's about. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how people dream about things that everybody that people have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe to some degree, Yeah, that that
Speaker 2: to me that there is a huge disassociation between what
Speaker 2: is money. All these are the things are exemplar, even money,
Speaker 2: but people understand what money. People think money is the yield.
Speaker 2: It isn't. Money is the metric of the yield. So
Speaker 2: they look past what they're producing to the to the
Speaker 2: ruler that measures how much production they made, not how
Speaker 2: much grain did you grow. It's looking it's looking at
Speaker 2: the height of your silo. No, the silo is just
Speaker 2: there to measure the grain.
Speaker 1: But they would firm for people instead of going to
Speaker 1: grow more grain. They want the effect of people thinking
Speaker 1: with the silo that they have more grain.
Speaker 2: People are probably this is the equivalent of people building empty, giant,
Speaker 2: massive monstrosity silos and people like, well, that guy.
Speaker 1: Sure produces a lot of grain, except you don't have
Speaker 1: the grain empty just tall. Do you think faking it
Speaker 1: is cheaper than actually making it?
Speaker 2: Always? Always? Even the expression fake it till you make
Speaker 2: it fortifies that. I mean, I could to some degree
Speaker 2: understand if you feel that you're robbed of access to
Speaker 2: the opportunity to demonstrate your abilities. So in order to
Speaker 2: get to the platform you can do that, you have
Speaker 2: to kind of pull a sleight of hand to you know,
Speaker 2: fabricate credibility. Sure, but people even doing it really for
Speaker 2: the most part, for that purposes. It's just that they
Speaker 2: just want to fabricate unearned respect. Mm hm.
Speaker 3: So why do they think that challenge is easier of faking?
Speaker 2: Faking it's always easier?
Speaker 3: Is it always?
Speaker 2: Always? So?
Speaker 1: Acting like you have a dollar is easier in actually
Speaker 1: getting a dollar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there's a diminishing returns point where the
Speaker 2: where the example is so minute, But put it this way,
Speaker 2: it's way easier to rent a Lamborghini and drive around
Speaker 2: town in it for the weekend than it is to
Speaker 2: buy it.
Speaker 3: But at that point, what's the.
Speaker 2: You know what amazes me, there's a few like particularly,
Speaker 2: and I don't know I know them. I can't think
Speaker 2: of it and I can, but I recognize the license
Speaker 2: plates of luxury car rental places. There's two or three
Speaker 2: main ones in LA and people come in and they
Speaker 2: do that. I'm amazed that these people don't have the
Speaker 2: foresight as soon as I if I went to LA
Speaker 2: and rented or Ferrari or Lamborghini or some shit, the
Speaker 2: first thing I would do is drive around the corner,
Speaker 2: get out of the car, and take the license frame
Speaker 2: off so people don't think I rented it's six minutes ago.
Speaker 2: They don't even put in that fucking effort. But they
Speaker 2: want the credit of being perceived as being highly productive.
Speaker 3: And I guess it could be cheaper.
Speaker 1: But then m hm, yeah, So I guess it all
Speaker 1: comes down to what's what's better being treated like it
Speaker 1: or being it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is kind of like true. I've always said,
Speaker 2: you know who the richest man of the world is,
Speaker 2: It's President of the United States. I don't care how
Speaker 2: much money is. No one, no one can, no one
Speaker 2: can command the spending of money on themselves at the
Speaker 2: rate that that guy does all day long. Elaborate if
Speaker 2: you wanted to travel anywhere in the world as the
Speaker 2: president of the United States with that level of security
Speaker 2: and have that much influence over industry, because at some
Speaker 2: point you get to where you're like a billionaire billionaire,
Speaker 2: now you're a genda is manipulating industry. No one can
Speaker 2: do that, like the President of the United States. They
Speaker 2: have more capital access than anybody has.
Speaker 3: Capital, but personal capital access.
Speaker 2: That's that. But that goes back to that original question.
Speaker 2: What's better to have it or to have the perception that.
Speaker 3: You have it? So wouldn't the president be the perception
Speaker 3: of having it?
Speaker 2: Yes, But it's like yes and no, they do have
Speaker 2: it because their checks don't bounce. Their checks just don't
Speaker 2: have their own name on them.
Speaker 1: So you spend somebody else's money, I want to spend
Speaker 1: raids money.
Speaker 2: I do you think of how much it would cost
Speaker 2: to like you remember that, Like there was a period
Speaker 2: of time where there was like pseudo death threats on
Speaker 2: Elon Musk when he bought Twitter and people were trying
Speaker 2: to like track his plane on the shit like that.
Speaker 2: How much would it cost Elon to fly multiple private
Speaker 2: jets with multiple Air Force caravans around those private jets?
Speaker 2: Like that would cost an obscene fortune. President SATs every da.
Speaker 3: Of the year. Oh you don't pay a bill, Yeah,
Speaker 3: m hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true corporation business. Do you think you've ever witnessed
Speaker 1: somebody like that takes somebody else's dreams for granted, you
Speaker 1: you've been around a lot of people that are celebrated.
Speaker 1: You ever you ever seen somebody and I don't want
Speaker 1: you to air the person, That's not why I'm asking,
Speaker 1: But you know you've been around people that are celebrated.
Speaker 1: Like we watched the thing happen with Malcolm. Shout out
Speaker 1: to my little bro, Malcolm Mays. We watched the thing
Speaker 1: happened when we were in Atlanta. What was the name
Speaker 1: of that backyard Grill, atl Shout out the Backyard Grill
Speaker 1: atl one of my favorite food places in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the owner, dope brother. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Kids, They run a business. Amazing lamb chops, amazing wings Man,
Speaker 1: just fantastic place.
Speaker 2: And I love they did at job of pissing off
Speaker 2: steal and that made it all even that much better.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did make still upset, but I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like I felt bad because it's one thing to walk
Speaker 1: up to Malcolm. Now, Malcolm Maye if y'all look him up,
Speaker 1: if you listen to No Siller's podcast, he hasn't been
Speaker 1: on here. I'm gonna make sure I call him. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he hasn't, but we're gonna get him
Speaker 1: on here. But Malcolm is an actor, he's a writer, producer,
Speaker 1: just a really talented brother, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But we were chilling at this restaurant out in front,
Speaker 1: just a bunch of West Coast guys, and I tell
Speaker 1: you how many blower wind blowers walk by here every day.
Speaker 1: You would think it wouldn't be a leaf.
Speaker 2: They seriously at that place.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, A guy asked for a drop, and that's
Speaker 1: like business like. It's one thing to walk up to
Speaker 1: Malcolm and say, hey, you know what, man, I like
Speaker 1: you in Snowfall as Kevin, the character Kevin cannot take
Speaker 1: a picture. There's nothing about me knowing Malcolm and what
Speaker 1: I believe in my heart that would make him say no.
Speaker 3: Like he came from the struggle, so he would be like.
Speaker 2: Boom rolling around Miami, incredibly gracious guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's weird when you walk up to somebody
Speaker 1: and you start to ask them for business. And that's
Speaker 1: where a dream can get out of control, where you
Speaker 1: have a dream of starting a business right or creating
Speaker 1: a brand, and you walk up to a stranger and
Speaker 1: ask them to endorse your brand, and it's gotten so
Speaker 1: far out of control now that people don't realize they're
Speaker 1: asking you to endorse their brand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, that's true.
Speaker 1: But have you ever seen somebody that you thought handled
Speaker 1: someone else's dream incorrectly? He's like, you probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: did it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see that happen often in the comedy space,
Speaker 2: the backstage world in comedy clubs in Los Angeles, the
Speaker 2: main two or three big ones, they're like, they're like
Speaker 2: the equivalent of being at like a tech accelerator incubator.
Speaker 2: You know, do you have the whales back there on
Speaker 2: certain nights who everybody knows. You've got the people who
Speaker 2: are big in comedy making good money that everybody at
Speaker 2: the bottom wants to be and everyone in comedy knows them.
Speaker 2: And then you've got the everybody wants everyone who's trying
Speaker 2: to get there.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me the three, give me a comic
Speaker 1: that fits all three rankings.
Speaker 2: Top levels, like you know, like your Mic Apps or
Speaker 2: Chappelle or whoever. Then you have guys that you some
Speaker 2: people might know that are like openers for them or
Speaker 2: they're just like you know, a comedian who tours around
Speaker 2: gets a couple thousand bucks.
Speaker 3: A week, you know, like Corey Hogan.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, something like that. Yeah, and then but
Speaker 2: and still has the ability to like you can make
Speaker 2: a guy because if you like somebody, have a relationship,
Speaker 2: you think that somebody's talented, they can come and open
Speaker 2: for you for a while, get a few hundred bucks
Speaker 2: to show whatever the hell, keep the lights on dimly,
Speaker 2: but build your career. And then you've got everybody at
Speaker 2: the bottom who wants a career. And yeah, you see
Speaker 2: that in that world all the time, because people take
Speaker 2: advantage of you know, I'll do any favor for you,
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. So so you know, hey, do
Speaker 2: this and all look out for you. They do it.
Speaker 2: They don't look out for him. Or someone does a favor,
Speaker 2: does a favor for this guy whatever the hell, because
Speaker 2: he wants to kind of graceiate himself. There people make
Speaker 2: a business of just taking favors all the time, and
Speaker 2: fuck everybody's doing or not done because nobody's nobody is
Speaker 2: doing it out of kindness. They want to quip pro quo.
Speaker 2: They used see that all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1: At which space does it become the the task of
Speaker 1: the dreamer and the dreamer alone?
Speaker 2: How do you mean like m okay, like like i'd
Speaker 2: like to draw parallel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like in rap it's like like one of the
Speaker 1: hardest part. And I'll be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is something I ever said out loud, But
Speaker 1: there is a weird space where like behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: I give respect from probably some of the greatest rappers ever,
Speaker 1: and then there's an effort that it doesn't look like
Speaker 1: it's obviously like they're obviously like, Okay, I'm gonna help
Speaker 1: Glasses get to where he's trying to go. If this
Speaker 1: is his dream, I'm ann fulfill it. I'm helping fulfill it.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily their responsibility. So I always task myself
Speaker 1: as like, if I want this to happen, I gotta
Speaker 1: walk it down myself. Nobody's gonna do it for me.
Speaker 1: But then somebody like still sees that, and he feels
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. He like, well, these people ain't your
Speaker 1: friend if they won't if they have opportunity and they're
Speaker 1: not granting it to you.
Speaker 2: It's always on the dreamer, always, And it's like in
Speaker 2: the comedy st so it's almost equivalent to like inviting
Speaker 2: some hot girl you're trying to fuck to some ultra
Speaker 2: expensive dinner and she goes to dinner because she wants
Speaker 2: the lobster and the steak that you offered her or
Speaker 2: whatever the hell or the concert tickets or god knows what,
Speaker 2: and then each you know, wipes software, the docton goes
Speaker 2: home and you're like, the hell you know, So like
Speaker 2: there is that aspect of it, and Marta kind of
Speaker 2: goes back to, like there's always if you're trying to
Speaker 2: do it off relationships, you're you're at the mercy of
Speaker 2: the other side of the relationship, you know. So that's
Speaker 2: that's a thing too. You know, it doesn't behoove you
Speaker 2: to probably wait around for someone to make your dreams
Speaker 2: come true for you.
Speaker 1: Is there an incumbent responsibility on humans to make to
Speaker 1: help other humans dreams come true? Do you feel that
Speaker 1: way as a human like being if the verb of
Speaker 1: being a human is being humane, to care, just care,
Speaker 1: extending granning, you know, that type of access to dreams
Speaker 1: if you have capability, or does it make you a
Speaker 1: bad human if you don't.
Speaker 2: I think there's a sweet spot. I think if you
Speaker 2: go out of your way, not too there's a problem.
Speaker 2: But to go out of your way to help every
Speaker 2: single person is impossible, and you have to have something,
Speaker 2: I mean at some point in time, like the dreamer
Speaker 2: has to offer enough quality to the gatekeeper, not only
Speaker 2: to make it worth the effort and time, but it's
Speaker 2: also like he's putting his name on you, you know,
Speaker 2: if it's just and some of that might be like
Speaker 2: I didn't want to, you know, if I was the
Speaker 2: guy who held all the keys, So I didn't want
Speaker 2: to help this guy out because yeah, he's a great
Speaker 2: friend of mine, but for what he wants to do,
Speaker 2: he's not able to deliver like that. So now I'm
Speaker 2: put I'm gonna damage my own credibility if I try
Speaker 2: to help the next guy, because whoever saw what happened
Speaker 2: the last time when I was full of it and
Speaker 2: just kind of nepotism some guy into an opportunity that
Speaker 2: they fucked off. So's it's hard to say. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of gray area in there.
Speaker 1: M You know, when we never talked about that, man
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say your dream is to be a comic,
Speaker 1: but I know you take that serious. What's pretty much
Speaker 1: the underrated part of that, that that journey that nobody
Speaker 1: really knows if you're not in that world.
Speaker 2: To do comedy, you have to really like it at
Speaker 2: some point. You have to like I don't like it
Speaker 2: so much as I think I'm good at it. There's
Speaker 2: a big difference there between those two things. If I
Speaker 2: liked doing it, i'd be doing it all that. I
Speaker 2: don't like doing it the process, and I don't like
Speaker 2: the nature of the way the industry is based off
Speaker 2: of a lot of what I just explained. So there's
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of people that are not good
Speaker 2: that just like it and they just bang the door
Speaker 2: down until it falls over, you know, and you do
Speaker 2: you do improve there some learning curves and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And there's comedians I saw who used to suck and
Speaker 2: now they still kind of suck, but they're very popular.
Speaker 2: They just we're good enough barely to get some laughs,
Speaker 2: and it's got a lot of those barely laughs, a
Speaker 2: lot they ope a credit to them for going through
Speaker 2: the process.
Speaker 1: I always said like comedy is like a if it's
Speaker 1: not a father, it's an uncle of hip hop's. And
Speaker 1: I always felt like comedy led the way for what
Speaker 1: hip hop could be right and when hip hop is
Speaker 1: at his best is when it's funny as well. And
Speaker 1: even in today saw that, Yeah, Russell did see that.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I don't even think about that's
Speaker 1: funny how mathematically it just comes out to be right.
Speaker 1: But I've always said, like I think comedy as a whole,
Speaker 1: all the participants, not every single one, but as a
Speaker 1: mask they understand. I think there's the ignorant comic who
Speaker 1: they don't understand. They're selling funny. They're not selling jokes, sure, right,
Speaker 1: And that's a big thing. Like, and comedy sells funny,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sell jokes. They don't have to sell jokes.
Speaker 1: Jokes can be funny, but life can be just as
Speaker 1: funny and it's no joke. And I always felt like
Speaker 1: I felt like, like when I look at the hip
Speaker 1: hop scene today, like people dreaming of being hip hop
Speaker 1: artists and successful rappers that they don't realize they're selling culture,
Speaker 1: they're not selling rapso.
Speaker 2: And like to kind of piggyback off. Like I was
Speaker 2: saying on the on the live, Rap is the telephone wire.
Speaker 2: Hip Hop is the conversation the two people having on
Speaker 2: the phone. Yeah, comedy is the wire. Funny is the
Speaker 2: conversation the two people are having on the phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And to go even further, that's why Kevin Hart is
Speaker 2: the Drake of comedy.
Speaker 3: M Why is that break that down for me?
Speaker 2: Because he's an extremely talented comedian the same way Drake
Speaker 2: is an extremely talented rapper.
Speaker 3: But he's not funny.
Speaker 2: He's not funny, and Drake is not hip hop.
Speaker 3: No, what is Kevin funny? Really? I mean, I think
Speaker 3: I laugh.
Speaker 2: He's way more likable than funny. Hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 2: He's you know, you know what he is. Do you
Speaker 2: remember driving down Crunchhaw at the corner of one thirty
Speaker 2: fifth over there the now defunct King Henry's. There was
Speaker 2: always that christ of three hundred that had the Bentley
Speaker 2: Kid on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right there.
Speaker 2: It's got all the shape into mentions of the Rolls Royce.
Speaker 2: It's just a three hundred. Kevin's got all the makings,
Speaker 2: all the makings of comedy, but it is that's not funny.
Speaker 3: But he's likable enough to be put in position ultra.
Speaker 2: Likable, ultra likable, and he delivers it.
Speaker 3: I met him twice. He's really cool dude, so you
Speaker 3: definitely want him to win.
Speaker 2: And he's an example. He's a workhorse. His pen's not great,
Speaker 2: his deliveries tremendous. He knows what he is and what
Speaker 2: he isn't on stage. He does he like I go
Speaker 2: back in life in general, you know, control your controllables,
Speaker 2: all the stuff that he can really control around his writing.
Speaker 2: He aces all of it out writing and so good.
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. What he's saying pretty
Speaker 3: much is just a bit shallow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that if I read
Speaker 2: if he transcribed his special, I just read it on
Speaker 2: a piece of paper. I'm not probably laughing real hard.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of other comedians where I would.
Speaker 1: Be, Okay, I'm gonna do something again because we don't
Speaker 1: never talk about which I can't call it your dream,
Speaker 1: but your ability as a comic right, And I want
Speaker 1: you to give me grades ABC D F sure of comics,
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna do any new comics. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do comics that have been around fifty plus at minimum, right,
Speaker 1: maybe longer.
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy Prime, Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2: Prime, Eddie Murphy. I haven't watched that in a long, long,
Speaker 2: long long time. It's not fresh enough. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's B plus A minus C, and I feel like
Speaker 2: some of that's also comedy is interesting in a sense
Speaker 2: to like if you do something this groundbreaking in eighty
Speaker 2: five or six, I'm a kid. I didn't see it
Speaker 2: till two thousand, so a lot of like not being
Speaker 2: impressed by a four model.
Speaker 1: T sure you didn't get the time, sure, like like
Speaker 1: how old I was when I saw raw in real time.
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine what it was like to being an
Speaker 1: adult to see that.
Speaker 2: Because in the interim, what happened is a thousand people
Speaker 2: ripped it off, so it's not as new and fresh
Speaker 2: and unreal by the time I saw it. So there
Speaker 2: is some of.
Speaker 3: That holding back from.
Speaker 1: A plus you would like to give him because you
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see it in real time.
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy's my favorite comedy, Red Fox.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Red I haven't watched enough of his stage stuff,
Speaker 2: but like, he's a guy that I just even on
Speaker 2: TV every I've never seen something Red did that I
Speaker 2: wasn't like, Wow, Like he's really funny. He's really funny.
Speaker 3: Richard Pryor.
Speaker 2: Richard Pryor does an amazing job of being funny and likable.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of comedians that are really funny and
Speaker 2: you go, God, got's an asshole. He was not one
Speaker 2: of them. He's there's a reason why what's the name
Speaker 2: of the white guy who had the beard was bald
Speaker 2: who died from like way back in the day, George Carlin.
Speaker 2: I feel like those two guys are the most why
Speaker 2: like inspirational in the in the field. They have inspired
Speaker 2: more comedians than anybody else, and there's a reason for it.
Speaker 3: Mmm, what about Bernie Matt.
Speaker 2: Most underrated comedian of all time?
Speaker 3: Why is he the most underrated? That's that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Because I don't think he did enough solo stuff. Every
Speaker 2: time I see him, he's part of a compilation, whether
Speaker 2: it was Jef Comedy Jam or whether it was Original
Speaker 2: Kings or whatever. I don't And then he got into
Speaker 2: TV and he passed away, you know, But like when
Speaker 2: he's going it's unreal.
Speaker 1: So here's here's another question. Do you respect comics that
Speaker 1: are funny in films but they're not the best stand
Speaker 1: up Do you have a respect for that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a tongue in cheek respect for that.
Speaker 2: I have a respect for it. It's different. It's different.
Speaker 2: I think that there are like good stand up comedians
Speaker 2: that don't trans real well in comedy movies. Like I
Speaker 2: like Chappelle a lot. I've seen in a few movies.
Speaker 3: Sure, but he's not great in films.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I'll say for sure is and it's
Speaker 2: always like it's an old adage. Comedians can translate into
Speaker 2: a drama movie, but a drama actor does not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not They can only go into comedy so far
Speaker 2: before it breaks.
Speaker 1: I think Mike ib is ready for a dramatic role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he has enough experience. It's funny because, like
Speaker 1: I said, Mike is like one of my favorite people
Speaker 1: in modern comedy, like just as a person to hes
Speaker 1: just like a stand up dude, good dudes.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: But I feel like his comedy is so translatable on
Speaker 1: the screen, but on the stage he had to find
Speaker 1: his way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like Mike is like he don't. It's not
Speaker 3: about him writing. He's just a funny person.
Speaker 1: And I think still the stage is not necessarily about
Speaker 1: being a funny person. It's like being a great writer
Speaker 1: is not as important. Here's something that translated hip hop right,
Speaker 1: And this is for all the dreamers, where it's like
Speaker 1: Snoop is an incredible rapper. It's not an incredible writer.
Speaker 1: He's an incredible rapper. His ability to deliver on stage
Speaker 1: like right and and mean what he says, say what
Speaker 1: he means and make it translatable octave and stuff makes
Speaker 1: him one of the greatest hip hop artists in history,
Speaker 1: you know, the greatest outside of the cultural you know, renaissance.
Speaker 1: He is himself, but he's the exact idea. And I
Speaker 1: noticed that in comedy there are certain guys like Marlon Wayne's.
Speaker 1: I think I told you the last thing up he
Speaker 1: did before this last one one he did about Chris Rock.
Speaker 1: It's one of the funniest comedy specials I ever saw
Speaker 1: in my entire life. But I've watched so many Marlon
Speaker 1: Like Marlon Wayne's translate on films incredible, like he's the
Speaker 1: corniness works like he's one of the best like I've
Speaker 1: seen on the screens as far as funny, but like
Speaker 1: his comedist stand up usually be kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this ain't really you know, it's a bit tongue in cheek,
Speaker 1: But that particular comedy special is one of the funniest
Speaker 1: comedy specials I ever saw. So again, I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about modern comics because we don't know. Most
Speaker 1: likely we be doing those seilings for another five years
Speaker 1: most likely, So I don't want to irritate somebody soul
Speaker 1: and then they don't want to come on the show.
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you something that's important for
Speaker 1: me to know. If something like that, if you had
Speaker 1: to make a choice. God loves Me. That's the name
Speaker 1: of the Martin Wayne stand up, God Loves Me. Have
Speaker 1: you watched it?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 1: It's really fired broat it like one of the ten
Speaker 1: funniest comedy specials I ever saw in my life. And
Speaker 1: the way it's set up and put together, it was incredible.
Speaker 1: Bit Marlin is the mind for it, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: even if to me he might have he's struggled before
Speaker 1: on stage where you know, he's not necessarily the best.
Speaker 1: His films are great, So you know he has the
Speaker 1: mind because he's writing the films. But he got it
Speaker 1: right on God Loves Me, somebody that does a stand
Speaker 1: up like that, and and and or like let's say
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart, this, this is Kevin Hart is probably the
Speaker 1: greatest comic in the world today.
Speaker 3: Greatest, not the best, right because yeah him? Right? Okay?
Speaker 3: What is missing that would make him? What separates him?
Speaker 1: Because I agree like Eddie Murphy is an A plus, right,
Speaker 1: let's say Kevin Hard is probably a B minus.
Speaker 3: What separates him from being an A plus? It's just
Speaker 3: something that he can do? Is it? Because he can?
Speaker 1: I know he has writers, right, He's at that level
Speaker 1: to where he ain't writing every joke? So what's stopping
Speaker 1: him from trans like why don't I think he's the
Speaker 1: funniest person on earth.
Speaker 2: Part of it might be the writers that reliance. I
Speaker 2: think what it is is as I don't know. I
Speaker 2: can't speculate, but I think it probably started with him
Speaker 2: understanding my nonverbals are my strength. So he leans into that,
Speaker 2: and then as he gets really successful. You have other writers,
Speaker 2: and they might be good, but it's hard to say
Speaker 2: string together a tapestry of like your jokes, their edits
Speaker 2: by other people, other people's jokes, your refinements of theirs
Speaker 2: to fit like it just it's just not not really
Speaker 2: there's there's some people who just really, really really have
Speaker 2: And we're talking again about the top Let's say, if
Speaker 2: we expand the list, we're not gonna beer all day
Speaker 2: with the top fifty out of fifty thousand. You know,
Speaker 2: we're cutting it really really thin on the top line here.
Speaker 3: Sure, so.
Speaker 2: I can't. I've been trying to think of the name
Speaker 2: of the guy who's the guy who played Negro Damis
Speaker 2: in the Chapelle Show, Paul Mooney. He was the writer,
Speaker 2: he was the writer's writer, right.
Speaker 1: He's probably he's probably not the best delivery guy, but
Speaker 1: his pen was nasty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he sits up there on a chair and
Speaker 2: just nonchalantly recites his written stuff and it's insane. It's
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. It's crazy, crazy, crazy good. You know, if
Speaker 2: you put that coming out of somebody else's mouth, it's
Speaker 2: obviously what we saw, you know, success you said prior
Speaker 2: and I don't know how, I don't know whose cadillog
Speaker 2: people that he wrote for, but like that's not there.
Speaker 2: I mean, even like good Cat, Good Dave. You know
Speaker 2: there's other guys who there's something extra there. There really is,
Speaker 2: you mean, like tell me.
Speaker 3: You mean with Paul's pen or with those guys.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying those got like that upper as of
Speaker 2: people whose material.
Speaker 1: Is just you know what it is too. With Cat
Speaker 1: and Dave, they're serious. Yeah, like keV, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of that you might. keV is not serious,
Speaker 1: and keV is you know, I mean he's funny, like
Speaker 1: he's not like I've watched him in films, you know,
Speaker 1: he carries it enough to where he's funny enough to
Speaker 1: make it work.
Speaker 2: Kevin feels like he's trying to get a laugh, and
Speaker 2: the other guys feel.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not writing I'm serious, I'm not even trying
Speaker 1: to make you laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is really funny. If you like it,
Speaker 2: that's great. If not, fuck it. And they just started
Speaker 2: with one hundred wheeled it down to the ten things
Speaker 2: from that origin that they just were like, Okay, well
Speaker 2: everyone else finds these ten things funny that I was
Speaker 2: gonna say anyway, the other ninety are still funny to me,
Speaker 2: but these ones are the most marketable for the thing
Speaker 2: I'm selling.
Speaker 3: I genuinely think those guys be dead serious.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not joking, like I know for sure talking
Speaker 1: to Cat like he was serious and I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I noticed that a greatness in a lot of comics.
Speaker 1: You know, where they they have the perfect mix. See,
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere between where Dave and and and
Speaker 1: and and where Dave and and and uh and cav
Speaker 1: is at. I mean, whereas like Eddie Murphy is right
Speaker 1: in the middle, Martin Lawrence is right in the middle,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, those guys who serious but
Speaker 1: they still know how to make fun of themselves. Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave and Cat, you know that they do the same thing.
Speaker 1: They are fucking serious it. Yeah, like almost believe they're
Speaker 1: offended when you laughing at some of the ship they say, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But then you have the Cavs and and to me,
Speaker 1: the more mainstream comics who kind of just making fun
Speaker 1: of themselves.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure like to me and every one of
Speaker 2: them didn't hit like that. But one of the funniest
Speaker 2: specials I ever saw in my life, first time I
Speaker 2: saw it was Why You're Crying by George Lopez. Mm hmm,
Speaker 2: I was died twice. I mean like, and I'm not
Speaker 2: the big like the biggest family. I wouldn't say if
Speaker 2: I had to watch one special where I die, I
Speaker 2: want to watch something by Robin Williams. But he's the
Speaker 2: most talented to ever do it. In my opinion. His
Speaker 2: compilation of what he does on stage hits multi dimensionally.
Speaker 2: It's thoughtful, it's dramatic, it's all those things. He did
Speaker 2: very very well in comedy on screen undeniably, and he
Speaker 2: did very well in drama on screen that was not
Speaker 2: funny in any way, shape or form, and one Academy Awards.
Speaker 1: I think, I think once you see this Marlon Wayne special,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about it if you
Speaker 1: take some time to watch it, because I think he's
Speaker 1: in the same vein of Kevin Hart, where you know
Speaker 1: their comedy comes from them making fun of themselves, and
Speaker 1: that's where you know, really the most successful comics oh
Speaker 1: successful meaning monetized, not because there's a different reverence that
Speaker 1: people like Dave and Cat carry that let's say Marlon,
Speaker 1: like Marlon and keV don't have that people don't have
Speaker 1: for them. But I think they're the most financially successful
Speaker 1: because they don't take themselves serious.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I think in part of that they aren't gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, die on the hill of artistic integrity. A
Speaker 2: lot of their stuff does come off a little bit
Speaker 2: algorithm like, it's algorithm comedy based off of focus groups,
Speaker 2: and that's how you make money. That's that's how you
Speaker 2: market anything in the world. And they they do it,
Speaker 2: and they I'll do everybody else.
Speaker 3: Rodney Dangerfield, A B, C, D F. You know any
Speaker 3: of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'll give Rodney. I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: him another one of those asterisks, A minus B plus
Speaker 2: things like Eddie because it was so long ago that
Speaker 2: by the time I saw it, the moment and the
Speaker 2: influence polluted the observational experience. You know, he was doing
Speaker 2: this back in the seventies. He was like the first
Speaker 2: guy to be crude and casual on stage, like really
Speaker 2: really groundbreaking. And he's very very funny. I mean, his
Speaker 2: whole thing is pretty funny. That's a good stick. But
Speaker 2: like it's different when you've seen him in ten movies
Speaker 2: and you've seen everybody else be crude and casual and
Speaker 2: then you see him do it first. It totally you
Speaker 2: don't get that experience.
Speaker 1: It's like Jake the Snake Roberts with the DDT. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the DDT looks like nothing today, but when Jake the
Speaker 1: Snake Roberts was doing it, it was the stone Coat stunning.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and you get that. That's true a lot
Speaker 2: in hip hop. I think hip hop does a good
Speaker 2: job of blindly giving a lot of credit to its
Speaker 2: early phase, you know, developers of the of the genre.
Speaker 2: It defers to that seniority really really well as a
Speaker 2: knee jerk reaction because it consciously or unconsciously. You can't
Speaker 2: listen to the best rapper from nineteen eighty one in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and compare them one to one. There's
Speaker 2: too much learning curve. There's too much influence, there's too
Speaker 2: much originality. It's same thing I like watching basketball. Coozy,
Speaker 2: the most dynamic guard walking in nineteen sixty two. Well,
Speaker 2: someone saw what he did, learned and refined. Someone saw
Speaker 2: what they did. They're your four generations removed. Now you
Speaker 2: don't appreciate. I wouldn't watch Coozy today and go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I gotta agree. But I would be missing
Speaker 2: reality if I if I fail to recognize it.
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