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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you, looking forward to a couple hours here with

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Speaker 1: Stephen Weiss, author of the ninety six incarnations as a

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Speaker 1: website is linked up at Coast to COASTAM dot com.

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Speaker 1: By the way, get a chance to go take a

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Speaker 1: look at it. Stephen is a president of Straightforward Communications.

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Speaker 1: That's a marketing and research consultancy specializing in the areas

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Speaker 1: of consumer demography and trends. His uncanny ability to identify

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Speaker 1: mass market values in their commercial applications has made Steve

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Speaker 1: a favorite of many household name clients and the consumer

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Speaker 1: goods and services industry, restaurant retail industries as well. And

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Speaker 1: he was on with me back about Steven I think

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Speaker 1: eleven and a half years ago, wasn't it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: about time, George. It's good to be back. You too,

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Speaker 1: your audience, And how are you things? Okay? Yeah, eleven

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Speaker 1: years hardly anything as No, things are great. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for asking. Oh okay, that's that's super. You're there also

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Speaker 1: an astrologer, aren't you. Yeah? The deeper I get into

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Speaker 1: my my own lifespan. The more that astrology uh uh

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Speaker 1: is appealing to me. I like I liked, I like

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Speaker 1: the answers that the yields to important questions. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I am an astrologer. What came first astrology or this

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Speaker 1: business acumen that you have, Well, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's uh The astrology has been there for now

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Speaker 1: over fifty years in the background. I got into it

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Speaker 1: in college in the in the in the late nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixties when a lot of people were getting into alternative

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Speaker 1: fields and interests. But I never I never pursued it

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Speaker 1: as a as a profession. It was it was always

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Speaker 1: there to enjoys as an advocation. Uh. So I I

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Speaker 1: never even entertained the notion that I would I would

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Speaker 1: do it seriously full time, although I contributed to journals

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Speaker 1: and I took classes and and and did things that

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Speaker 1: that people would do pursuing a hobby. But for the

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Speaker 1: last ten years, i've I've actually uh turned my my

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Speaker 1: spotlight on astrology a lot, a lot more diligently, a

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Speaker 1: lot more with a lot more focused. Did you start

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Speaker 1: off believing in astrology, Stephen? I love the question about believing.

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Speaker 1: I think I think I don't. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you can talk to an astrologer without asking

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Speaker 1: that very essential question, do you believe in astrology? That's

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Speaker 1: what That's what anyone wants to know when they're talking

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Speaker 1: to an astrologer. And I think it's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: For for decades, I found it impossible to answer the question.

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Speaker 1: I think both answers are bad answers. If I tell

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Speaker 1: you that, yes, I believe in astrology, then I sound

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Speaker 1: like the sort of guy who who's you know, who's

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Speaker 1: you know? What do they say a taco is short

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Speaker 1: of accommodation play? It just sounds it sounds weird when

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Speaker 1: someone says I believe in astrology. It makes me sound

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Speaker 1: like a guy who feels that because Jupiter is somewhere

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Speaker 1: And I don't believe it's a Personally, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that there's that kind of scientific cause and effect. So

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Speaker 1: so yes, there's a difficult answer for me. No is

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Speaker 1: an even worse answer, because if I don't believe in astrology,

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Speaker 1: why are you having me as a guest right now?

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Speaker 1: You know I'm supposed to be talking about that, and well,

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Speaker 1: that's a good book. It's a it's a good book.

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Speaker 1: So you I'll give you that benefit right there. All right,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate that. Well, thank you. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: what I just if, if I may completely thought, I

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Speaker 1: astrology is based on astronomy and mathematics, it comes across

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Speaker 1: And I realized that that the question do you believe

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Speaker 1: And that's that's that's what astrology is. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's taking the pictures of the planets

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Speaker 1: astrology that appeals to me so much is that it's

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Speaker 1: but he did characterize it as the collective psychological knowledge

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Speaker 1: of antiquity. But what makes Young really important is that

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Speaker 1: the work that went on around when in the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 1: his influence. That's really when astrology morphed from fortune telling

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Speaker 1: history of of analyzing people's personality types. And it started

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Speaker 1: right about that time, in the nineteen thirties. Your latest

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Speaker 1: book is called The ninety six Incarnations. Tell us what

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Speaker 1: that means? Well, Well, in dealing with these archetypes, I'm

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Speaker 1: and astrology. Astrology as a vast subject, as vast as

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Speaker 1: the universe, and it's and there's anyone in your audience

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Speaker 1: who's into astrology knows that there's thousands of permutations and

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Speaker 1: calculations and data manipulations that go on with astrology. But

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Speaker 1: and and and major archetypes. And really it came down

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Speaker 1: to the Sun and the moon. The Sun is the

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Speaker 1: personality or the type of everyone in your audience, or

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Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of the people in your audience,

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Speaker 1: and know what's what their sun sign is. They know

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Speaker 1: if they're a Virgo or an aquarium in Gemini. But

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Speaker 1: but and that that is a very important indicator of personality.

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Speaker 1: the first step on the astrological ladder. You have to

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Speaker 1: a very broad but meaningful way. Well, not a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of people probably know that sun sign, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: there's an equally valid viewpoint of no, thank you, not

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Speaker 1: for me. I can't buy this stuff, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to pursue it any further. But it's it's the

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Speaker 1: most accessible aspect of astrology is the sun sign astrology.

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Speaker 1: And this is an analysis of personality. Now these ninety

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Speaker 1: So there's twelve, there's twelve zodiac signs. Most people are

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Speaker 1: moon is the primary symbol of let's call it the spirit.

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Speaker 1: If you're into astrology, you inevitably encounter or any kind

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Speaker 1: did not know that. And there are eight classical moon positions,

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Speaker 1: accusing thousands of people as examples. But in your case,

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Speaker 1: born during the sixth lunation phase. Now, now it would

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Speaker 1: each each subsequent lunation phase, each each moon phase represents

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Speaker 1: The sixth Lunation phase is a lunation phase in which

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Speaker 1: the poet Alan Ginsberg, who is a Gemini six like yourself.

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Speaker 1: And as quote is, I don't think there is any truth.

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Speaker 1: that's so true, too true. How can people bank you

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Speaker 1: You've got a calculator on your website, don't you. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: In fact, if people are listening to this conversation, we'll

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Speaker 1: Everyone seems to drive voters like no, I'm not, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Ek is the ultimate Seventh the Nation face. I was

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