Speaker 1: Also media, Hey.
Speaker 2: Robert Ay, sophistophely soft damma rung the ring of the
Speaker 2: softer lung and nip. I was trying to do like
Speaker 2: the ring of the nibble lungen, But Sophie, I don't
Speaker 2: actually know how to how to make that work. Also,
Speaker 2: not really a joke, just me putting your name into things.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Are you good?
Speaker 1: I was doing well.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: I was doing well. Anyways, we're back with another Q
Speaker 1: and A episode. Thank you to those who ask questions
Speaker 1: on the Instagram. Robert, can you start the folks out
Speaker 1: with a nice, nice creatum lemonade recipe? People want to know.
Speaker 2: I don't have a nice creatum lemonade recipe. I have
Speaker 2: been doing cretem so long that I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: I just pour it in water, I poured it in soda,
Speaker 2: I mix it. I don't give a fuck. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: It's gross, literally any liquid substance at the airport.
Speaker 2: I'll say this, Here's what I'll say. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give you first the responsible advice, and then I'm going
Speaker 2: to give you the person who uses creative advice. Right,
Speaker 2: The responsible advice is that creatim is something that can
Speaker 2: and that in the vast majority of cases, will be
Speaker 2: used responsibly. It is not easy to become problematically addictive
Speaker 2: to for most people. If you are someone who is
Speaker 2: inclined to abuse painkillers, it is very easy to develop
Speaker 2: a dependency on cretum. Now, a dependency on creatim is
Speaker 2: not nearly the monster that a dependency on opiates, especially
Speaker 2: heroin is, And if you are dependent on opiates or heroin,
Speaker 2: cretim can allow you to get off of that because
Speaker 2: if you stop taking heroin you get horribly dope sick.
Speaker 2: Cretim stops you from being dope sick, and it is
Speaker 2: I think critical to remain widely available largely as a
Speaker 2: result of that. However, if you start taking cretim and
Speaker 2: you take it every day, you will need to take
Speaker 2: more and you will notice potentially. This has never really
Speaker 2: been my case because I take breaks regularly. I've never
Speaker 2: had any issue going overseas for a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: and not taking it, you know, taking three or four
Speaker 2: days off every week or two. Some people do. You
Speaker 2: should be aware that that's a thing, and that it
Speaker 2: is a capital D drug. I would say it's not
Speaker 2: as safe as marijuana, although if you have a family
Speaker 2: history of like schizophrenia, it certainly does not seem to
Speaker 2: have any of the kind of like ability to incite
Speaker 2: psychotic breaks that that does. But it's hard to run
Speaker 2: your body, you know, than particularly like consuming marijuana in
Speaker 2: a way that doesn't involve smoking, But it's not as
Speaker 2: hard on your body based on all of the evidence
Speaker 2: that exists as for example, drinking, particularly like, if you're
Speaker 2: talking about someone who's using kreatum daily versus drinking daily,
Speaker 2: you're almost certainly better off using creatum daily. I think
Speaker 2: that's a generally responsible way to categorize it. The ways
Speaker 2: that you can do it is you take a powder
Speaker 2: that is just the ground up flower. It is very
Speaker 2: hard to hurt yourself with just the powder. You would
Speaker 2: have to take such a massive quantity of it. However,
Speaker 2: just like with marijuana, people now make extracts, and those
Speaker 2: extracts are extremely concentrated. It is much easier to harm
Speaker 2: yourself if you are using an extract or to take
Speaker 2: much more than you want. Now, cretum an overdose does
Speaker 2: not tend to like if you take far too much cretum,
Speaker 2: it doesn't do what like heroin does and cause central
Speaker 2: nervous system depression that'll stop you from breathing at least
Speaker 2: not in any of the quantities that you know I've
Speaker 2: seen documentation on, but it can be really bad and unpleasant.
Speaker 2: So I would say, if you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: do something like get a t stay away from the extracts.
Speaker 2: Once you start going down that road, it's very easy
Speaker 2: to develop much more of a dependency on it. That's
Speaker 2: my cretum speech.
Speaker 1: Okay, Robert, what's one episode you really want to do?
Speaker 1: But require a fuck load of research and four million
Speaker 1: episodes to cover the.
Speaker 2: Bush administration and the war on a rack? And part
Speaker 2: of why I haven't is just like it's been covered it.
Speaker 2: I do think maybe now because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: like gen Z people who listen who maybe went around
Speaker 2: for that, I'm probably overestimating how familiar people are with
Speaker 2: the shit around that. So maybe that is the kind
Speaker 2: of thing to get onto. Now. There's just so much
Speaker 2: to talk about in so many bastards. But it's one
Speaker 2: of those things I've gone back and forth. Should I
Speaker 2: just do a John Ashcroft episode? Should I just do
Speaker 2: a Dick Cheney episode? Well, how do you do that episode?
Speaker 2: And then like not cover the rest of it. I
Speaker 2: just have it yet, contact I just have it yet,
Speaker 2: Like Nixon is the same way, and this was That's
Speaker 2: not really an excuse what I just said, because the
Speaker 2: same is true when talking about like Kissinger's crimes, because
Speaker 2: those Kissinger episodes were also like partly Nixon episodes, because
Speaker 2: you can't talk about what Kissinger did that was evil
Speaker 2: without talking about a number of other evil guys. So
Speaker 2: I will and should do that. It's just all episodes
Speaker 2: like that are always so much work, and I've picked
Speaker 2: by battles. Usually every now and then I will based
Speaker 2: on like, oh, I think this is really important for
Speaker 2: a specific reason to get out at this time right,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the fascism focused ones we've done.
Speaker 2: But usually it's more like what do I want to
Speaker 2: read it right now? What am I interested in? Because
Speaker 2: if I don't do it that way, if I don't
Speaker 2: let the primary thing that drives me week to week
Speaker 2: be what do I want to read about and write about,
Speaker 2: then I will burn out.
Speaker 1: Sure, what episode are you most proud of from this year?
Speaker 2: Uh? Probably the Lawrence of Arabia episodes.
Speaker 1: Really good. I'm deeply proud of James Stout's series, and
Speaker 1: it could happen here.
Speaker 2: From talking about my episode, so we are.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, okay, I'm deeply proud of James's
Speaker 1: series that he did reporting from the Darien Gap.
Speaker 2: From the Darien Gap excellent stuff. Yeah, yeah, some of
Speaker 2: the best work anyone's done for us. I love those apps.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also they were the hardest for me. But your
Speaker 1: episodes on Troubled teen Wilderness Camps were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love me some troubled teen Wilderness camps. How did you.
Speaker 1: Get from being a Texas rotc kid to an active
Speaker 1: war zone journalist to a gas station drug reviewer an
Speaker 1: avid podcaster? Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow, people say I love that. I guess there's a
Speaker 2: few ways to talk about that. So, like the first thing,
Speaker 2: I'll just note on the war zone stuff, people make
Speaker 2: a much bigger deal of that, Like it comes up
Speaker 2: because war comes up, and particularly some of the wars
Speaker 2: that I've covered come up. So I bring it up
Speaker 2: when I think it's relevant. But like becoming a war
Speaker 2: zone journalist, no one paid me. I just bought plane
Speaker 2: tickets to places and reached out to people who lived
Speaker 2: in the area on the internet before I landed like
Speaker 2: that's all. It was not like a I think people
Speaker 2: talk about it as if there's some like special forces
Speaker 2: training you've got to do, and no, I was just
Speaker 2: like a guy who landed with his girlfriend and a
Speaker 2: camera and that's how we did most of it until like,
Speaker 2: you know, outside of like Syria and mean mar that's
Speaker 2: how I did most of my war zone reporting. In
Speaker 2: terms of like how I stopped being a conservative kid
Speaker 2: from North Texas who wanted to be in the military,
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of it was encountering drugs at
Speaker 2: age nineteen and then also starting to make friends with
Speaker 2: young women my age and slightly older than me, who
Speaker 2: I realized were much more fun to spend time around
Speaker 2: than the army. Sure, and yeah, all of that, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of collaborated in a radicalization process, you know, not
Speaker 2: even much of a wret just like stop me from
Speaker 2: being like a proto fascist little kid. I was mostly
Speaker 2: just sort of like in terms of temperament, a libertarian,
Speaker 2: but I would always vote Democrat because the Republicans were
Speaker 2: obviously maniacs. And I was just like, I don't agree
Speaker 2: with the Democrats about everything, but I guess I'll vote
Speaker 2: for them because these other people are crazy, and I
Speaker 2: didn't really think a lot about politics until I mean,
Speaker 2: it was Ukraine and following the Syrian refugee trail in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and then Iraq in twenty sixteen and Standing
Speaker 2: Rock in twenty sixteen. You know, I'd been at Occupy
Speaker 2: in New York at twenty eleven for a little while,
Speaker 2: but it was really I mean, Standing Rock was kind
Speaker 2: of one of the most radicalizing single things I experienced
Speaker 2: where I started being like, I'm generally a progressive guests
Speaker 2: with some libertarian tendencies to you know, And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say I was an anarchist at that, but I started
Speaker 2: like reading more and thinking more and recognizing the like, well,
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of this analysis, you know,
Speaker 2: more sure, it was still years before I really like
Speaker 2: identified strongly in that direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of people kind of asked me with
Speaker 1: my upbringing, how somebody said, like, basically, how did I
Speaker 1: become in chargical zone media and like leftist podcasts? And
Speaker 1: you know, the short of it is, I grew up
Speaker 1: with a Republican dad, a moderate Democrat mom, and I
Speaker 1: grew up in an area where most of the people
Speaker 1: were your standard libs with a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of Zionism, honestly, and I think what radicalized me was
Speaker 1: my insane empathy. I'm like a very very empathetic person.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: Consuming content and reading history and meeting people. It just
Speaker 1: the more that I consumed and the more people I
Speaker 1: got to meet, the more left I became. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we approach a lot of our content from
Speaker 1: a place of empathy, and that's the kind of things
Speaker 1: I want to put out in the world. I got deep.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I got deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just obviously the people with the most money
Speaker 2: in the world are the kind of folks who volunteer
Speaker 2: at food not bombs, and you know, for their local libraries.
Speaker 2: So I decided I wanted to really cash in on
Speaker 2: that demo.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Those idiots like Ben Shapiro trying to get money from
Speaker 2: broke oil billionaires, you know, it's the librarians who really
Speaker 2: have walking around money. That's how you get rich.
Speaker 1: And speaking of getting rich, it's time for.
Speaker 3: A yeah, and we're back, Robert Zovie.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Oh, you know, pretty good.
Speaker 3: It's cool.
Speaker 1: Do you think that most of the USA's divisive issues
Speaker 1: and over manipulated economy would be solved by breaking up
Speaker 1: into smaller individual countries by region example North South.
Speaker 2: Nah, Yeah, that sounds like a fucking disaster. Look up
Speaker 2: the partitioning of India. Just look up the partitioning of India,
Speaker 2: and then think about the fact that India was not
Speaker 2: a massive part of the global economy as opposed to
Speaker 2: something going the way the partition of India went in
Speaker 2: terms of the violence, the death, the political upheaval, and
Speaker 2: also it being the entire center of the world's economy
Speaker 2: and a significant amount of it's like food and medicine,
Speaker 2: And yeah, seems like it would be bad.
Speaker 1: Robert favorite Warhammer Legion Legions characters.
Speaker 2: Okay, so if we're talking about like they use the
Speaker 2: term Legion, so I assume they're talking about like Eat
Speaker 2: Crusade through Horace Heresy era. Let's see. I really like
Speaker 2: the paint scheme and the look of like the Legion
Speaker 2: era Iron Warriors a lot, so I would have to
Speaker 2: say from aesthetics them, but I don't really find any
Speaker 2: of like the fiction that focuses on them particularly interesting.
Speaker 2: And I guess then i'd have to go with like
Speaker 2: Dark Angels or the Space Wolves yeah.
Speaker 1: So when I asked the same person, ask my current
Speaker 1: favorite hobby that's just for fun, Well, it happens to
Speaker 1: be the NBA season, and I play fantasy basketball, and
Speaker 1: I take it.
Speaker 2: Very far or hammer for nerds as I call it.
Speaker 1: Sure, and I take it very seriously, and I love it.
Speaker 1: I fucking love it. It's amazing she does.
Speaker 2: She's unhinged about it.
Speaker 1: It frightens me, it does frighten him. And I got
Speaker 1: Lebron on my team this year. As he gets older.
Speaker 1: It just I needed him on my team one more time. Robert,
Speaker 1: what's a journalism story that you didn't have to do
Speaker 1: your day job that you would love to cover?
Speaker 2: If tomorrow Aliens came down and said, we're getting rid
Speaker 2: of all of the fascism and authoritarianism and giving you
Speaker 2: all free energy, fixing the climate, making sure every refugee
Speaker 2: has food and water. There are no more problems. I
Speaker 2: am going to spend the rest of my life trying
Speaker 2: to kill Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: This is not a question, but I've seen this a
Speaker 1: couple of times. People want to know if you're going
Speaker 1: to do any Australian bastards.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in Australia's ever done anything bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: seems like an island that never made a bad person,
Speaker 2: so not worth looking into. Probably, yeah, yeah, I assume
Speaker 2: we will. It's just like there's a lot of countries
Speaker 2: we haven't done bastards on sure, but definitely we will
Speaker 2: get an Ausie. Don't worry, folks. Part of why I
Speaker 2: haven't is the Dollup guys do such a good job
Speaker 2: of hitting Australian weird pieces of shit, So I do
Speaker 2: think there's a good place for people who like the
Speaker 2: kind of thing I do to find that. The Dollup
Speaker 2: has a lot of great fucked up Australia stories.
Speaker 1: Any plans to do an OPRAH series or episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, working on them now.
Speaker 1: Yep. That was asked a couple times, Robert, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite firearm?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like they all do such different things,
Speaker 2: like in terms of the one I own, I guess,
Speaker 2: the one that I shoot deer with, in terms of
Speaker 2: like from a I guess emotional standpoint. The very first
Speaker 2: gun I ever bought was a nineteen seventeen lee Enfield
Speaker 2: Mark three, beautiful old World War One era bolt action rifle,
Speaker 2: just like an actually attractive, like piece of history. I
Speaker 2: have a Mouser C ninety six that is enjoyable for
Speaker 2: the same reason, although not a gun that can safely
Speaker 2: be used unless you are directly on a range, because
Speaker 2: sometimes when you attempt to take it off safety, it fires,
Speaker 2: so it is not allowed to be in the same
Speaker 2: room as bullets unless we are at a gun range.
Speaker 2: But is a very fun piece of history as well.
Speaker 2: I really like the gun that I carry as he
Speaker 2: three sixty five XL sig sour great handgun, super comfortable,
Speaker 2: super easy to conceal. I shoot it almost every week
Speaker 2: and feel very comfortable with it. You know. I think
Speaker 2: I could handle most of its basic functions in the
Speaker 2: dark with my eyes closed, aside from aiming. I feel
Speaker 2: good about that. In terms of like what I enjoy
Speaker 2: shooting most recreationally, nothing beats in AK seventy four. I've
Speaker 2: got an AK seventy four with a wooden four grip
Speaker 2: and a wire folding stock. That thing is a hoot.
Speaker 1: The people want to know how did we start cool
Speaker 1: zone media? What's the cool zone media story?
Speaker 2: Just kind of us constantly being behind on everything and
Speaker 2: then it happened by accident.
Speaker 1: No, that's not true.
Speaker 2: I said that part of the genesis of it would
Speaker 2: be that when a twenty twenty was going on, you
Speaker 2: and I had not really envisioned much beyond you know,
Speaker 2: we've got worst year ever, that's doing well, We've got
Speaker 2: Bastards that's doing well.
Speaker 1: We'd finish the Women's War.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to keep doing probably every year, we'll
Speaker 2: do one or two Robert will go travel somewhere or
Speaker 2: two places, do one or two limited ten episode series,
Speaker 2: and we'll keep doing Bastards, and you know, that'll be it.
Speaker 2: That'll be good. Then the riots happened, and one of
Speaker 2: the things that occurred with that is, you know, I
Speaker 2: covered that very heavily, both in terms of articles that
Speaker 2: I wrote for a variety of publications, in terms of
Speaker 2: stuff for you know what was at the time our
Speaker 2: regular news show, and in Bastards. And by the end
Speaker 2: of the year, I was absolutely burnt out, and to
Speaker 2: the extent that I became aware of like I won't
Speaker 2: be able to do this the next time something big happens,
Speaker 2: like enough of me has been spent, and also it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be me, like all go crazy, all develop even
Speaker 2: worse takes, like it's just bad, like one of the
Speaker 2: things I have an issue with, and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to like bring up names or critique people, but I
Speaker 2: think it's always a mistake when you build a news
Speaker 2: network centered or like a news platform centered around a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what we were started talking, you know, late in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty early twenty twenty one, and like, we need
Speaker 2: to bring in other people and develop them and give
Speaker 2: them platforms so that whatever the next big things are,
Speaker 2: we have people who are able to cover them with
Speaker 2: the dedication they deserve without just burning me or another
Speaker 2: individual person out by putting, you know, too much on
Speaker 2: their shoulders at once. So that was kind of the
Speaker 2: thinking that led us there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and iHeartRadio asked us if we wanted to have
Speaker 1: our own imprint, remember yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, And then the company was like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll offer you more money if you do this thing
Speaker 2: that sounds like a nightmare and have a daily news show.
Speaker 1: Hey, you want to make a daily show?
Speaker 2: And we said I would rather kill myself. And then
Speaker 2: they said, but you can hire your friends, and then
Speaker 2: we said, well, actually that sounds a lot better.
Speaker 1: They were like, hey, you've been pumping out content multiple
Speaker 1: times a day for the last year at was just
Speaker 1: like end of twenty twenty early twenty twenty one. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you've been doing this thing. Want to do it times
Speaker 1: a million? Yeah, that seems healthy. We did, but we
Speaker 1: got to hire a bunch of our friends and that's nice.
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of the people we love
Speaker 1: have salaries and health insurance. So a win is a
Speaker 1: fucking win. It's sun for fucking ads. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of people asking your how you
Speaker 1: approach research and how you format your episodes. If you
Speaker 1: have a template, if you put something into I know
Speaker 1: the answer to this, which is why you're half smiling.
Speaker 1: If you make some kind of a guide for your episodes,
Speaker 1: or yeah, your process.
Speaker 2: The gist of it is, I have a doc I
Speaker 2: read through. So first, if there's a book, and they're
Speaker 2: usually are more than one book, I read through the
Speaker 2: book or relevant portions of the book. Sometimes you don't
Speaker 2: have to read the whole book because you know, it
Speaker 2: just deals with your guy for a couple of chapters,
Speaker 2: and I highlight shit, I copy and paste the highlighted shit,
Speaker 2: and I organize it by generally, if I have my
Speaker 2: shit together, and I will have like a childhood, you know,
Speaker 2: young adulthood, early career, major crimes, YadA, YadA, YadA, and
Speaker 2: I'll paste in the different parts, you know, with a
Speaker 2: list of like which source it's from. And I do
Speaker 2: the same thing with like highlighted and cut and pasted
Speaker 2: portions of articles, and I organize that by timeframe. And
Speaker 2: then I have that doc in one window and I
Speaker 2: have a word doc in the other, and I go
Speaker 2: through it and I like write it. I look through like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's early life. Here's all the different sources on his
Speaker 2: early life here, and I look through them and I'm like,
Speaker 2: these are the different things that I find most interesting
Speaker 2: from every source, and I just kind of write them
Speaker 2: out in the way that makes sense. I try to
Speaker 2: make sure I quote every source that gives me a
Speaker 2: significant amount of info one or more time, so that
Speaker 2: I'm making it very clear this is where the original
Speaker 2: info came from, because I'm very rarely doing all of
Speaker 2: the original research on these guys. So I want to
Speaker 2: make it clear that, like, you know, if i'm you know,
Speaker 2: this portion where I'm talking about this part of his life,
Speaker 2: it you know, generally came mostly from this source or
Speaker 2: for this source and this source right, you know, that's
Speaker 2: how I try to do it.
Speaker 1: Robert, what's your favorite animal and or dinosaur?
Speaker 2: My favorite dinosaur was always an iguanadon. Big iguanadon, guy,
Speaker 2: huge iguanadon fan. Love them, love them because like it's
Speaker 2: the dinosaur equivalent of like a fucking Guido pull in
Speaker 2: a switchblade in a New York alley. Like that's just
Speaker 2: cool that there were dinosaurs who had that vibe where
Speaker 2: they're just like, hey, motherfucker, I'm just gonna cut your ass.
Speaker 2: You know I love a fucking iguanadon. Look them up,
Speaker 2: big sharp knife thumbs, cool dinosaur.
Speaker 1: Robert, what's your favorite part about working?
Speaker 2: So it's okay for me to say I'm a Guido.
Speaker 2: I think I'm allowed to say Guido. Yeah, I have
Speaker 2: no idea I'm allowed to say Guido, Robert. Look at
Speaker 2: how Italian I am. Look At how much of a
Speaker 2: unibrow I grow if I don't shave for a day
Speaker 2: and a half. Look I get to say Guido. Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to deal with all this grease in my hair.
Speaker 2: I get to say Guido. I'm allowed. You don't know me.
Speaker 1: I have no sayas Robert, what's your favorite part about
Speaker 1: working with Sophie? That is an actual question.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're my favorite part of it. I guess that
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing and handle all of the
Speaker 2: things that I would never be able to handle. That. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is that a sensible thing to say? So I have
Speaker 2: no idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer that question.
Speaker 2: I only know how to do the one thing.
Speaker 1: So I get ask all the time by people what
Speaker 1: it's like working with you, and I say, you are
Speaker 1: the best business partner that anybody could ever ask for.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's what you were supposed to say. By the way,
Speaker 1: Oh that I'm a perfect angel baby.
Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to be specific about the nature
Speaker 2: of our working relationship, which is that I do one
Speaker 2: thing and you do many things.
Speaker 1: So true, so true. Robert, would you consider doing more
Speaker 1: South Africa episodes?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean definitely sure, Yeah, we'll do more. I
Speaker 2: need to actually do probably before the next South Africa episode.
Speaker 2: I need to do like a maybe Ian Banks, like
Speaker 2: a more dedicated Rhodesia episode, Like Rhodesia comes up a lot.
Speaker 2: But I haven't just done a I mean, we did
Speaker 2: Cecil Rhodes but I haven't just done like a I
Speaker 2: think Ian Banks was his name, the last president dude
Speaker 2: of or Ian Smith? Sorry, Ian Smith? What would say?
Speaker 2: Ian Banks? Yeah? Ian Smith, the fucking yeah leader of Rhodesia.
Speaker 2: We'll do him soon. Yeah, we'll do another South African
Speaker 2: guy too, but I think we're gonna do Rhodesha next.
Speaker 1: First we got to asked if there was a guest
Speaker 1: we've had on that we'd love to have on again.
Speaker 1: Paul Tompkins, Paul F.
Speaker 2: Tompkins. We'd love to have Paul back on. Would be
Speaker 2: happy to have Ed Helms back on for one.
Speaker 1: That's I'd love to have Mosley back on too. So funny.
Speaker 2: I want to say something about Ed because we get
Speaker 2: offers from like famous people a lot, and without like
Speaker 2: naming any names. Sometimes we make attempts that don't wind
Speaker 2: up as episodes because when they realize what the show
Speaker 2: is and how different this is, that they need to
Speaker 2: sit here for two our three hours, that we're going
Speaker 2: to be really going into detail. That often we're talking
Speaker 2: about things from like a more radical political lens. They
Speaker 2: get uncomfortable because it's, you know, maybe something they view
Speaker 2: as dangerous for their career or whatever. And Ed Helms,
Speaker 2: who I don't think really knew much about us coming
Speaker 2: into the show, he said.
Speaker 1: He said he listened to a couple episodes.
Speaker 2: He listened to an episode maybe yeah, but he sat
Speaker 2: down and I've hume in with fucking a harder episode
Speaker 2: to be a fun guest on Curtis Yarvin and it
Speaker 2: is immediately down to clown So I was you know,
Speaker 2: I have respect for.
Speaker 1: That, absolutely, yeah, Robert, what are your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: developments in Rajava?
Speaker 2: It's too early to tell where thing's going to end,
Speaker 2: but obviously, I mean, it looks like the Turks are
Speaker 2: going to be allowed to continue to bomb as Israel
Speaker 2: has been bombing ro Java, and the United States isn't
Speaker 2: going to do anything. It's unclear if the US is
Speaker 2: going to even stand up for Cobani in any meaningful way.
Speaker 2: But it's also I don't really want to say too
Speaker 2: much because all of this is happening right now. I'm
Speaker 2: very concerned. You know, obviously there's no chance of things
Speaker 2: getting better in Syria period without a sod gone. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he's gone, but what that means for
Speaker 2: Rojava is still very much unclear to this point, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's a scary time. I would say the one
Speaker 2: thing that I can say that is comforting to those
Speaker 2: of you who are likewise scared is that it's really
Speaker 2: always been a very scary time. There hasn't been an
Speaker 2: easy or very safe period of the revolution, and they've
Speaker 2: continued holding on.
Speaker 1: So what are some of the most impactful books that
Speaker 1: you've read that you think listeners should read?
Speaker 2: The Dispossessed by Ursula k Legwin if you also haven't
Speaker 2: read it, The Ones Who walk Away from Omlas, which
Speaker 2: is a short story. Read that Parable of the Sewer
Speaker 2: and Parable of the Talents by Oh God. And I'm
Speaker 2: facing on a name right now. This is nothing against
Speaker 2: Octavia Butler. Octavia Butler. Sorry, I'm just bad with names, folks.
Speaker 2: I love Octavia.
Speaker 1: I want to recommend Mia from Could Happen Here Show?
Speaker 1: She recommended reading Whipping Girl by Julia Serrano and oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's an incredible book.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, we both read this book. Who's the uh? I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting the author's named Cultish by I want to.
Speaker 2: Coltish was quite good.
Speaker 1: Coltish was quite good. Anything written by Margaret Kiljoy ever
Speaker 1: heard of her?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: My God, God, And you know there's so many feet
Speaker 1: questions here.
Speaker 2: Here's here's one I haven't brought up. In terms of books,
Speaker 2: read The water Knife by Pallo Batcha Galupi. I'm saying
Speaker 2: his name wrong, I know, but The water Knife is
Speaker 2: just excellent, excellent book.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, there is an absurd amount
Speaker 1: of feet questions in here. Why do you want to
Speaker 1: know my foot size? You fucking weirdo.
Speaker 2: No, don't answer those. Nobody who asked you questions about
Speaker 2: feet on the internet has a good reason.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Don't do better? Jesus Christ? Just go to Wiki feet
Speaker 2: like the rest of the freaks. I will say, I
Speaker 2: do think Wiki feet is one of the last bastions
Speaker 2: of like intellectual honesty left on the internet.
Speaker 1: Robert, how did you get into ska? People want and like,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite SKA?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: That was asked a couple times.
Speaker 2: You don't get into scat Scott finds you, baby, and
Speaker 2: Scott found me One beautiful day when I was nineteen
Speaker 2: years well, seventeen years old something like that, when somebody
Speaker 2: posted I had become a fan of the band Real
Speaker 2: Big Fish because of the movie Basketball, which I enjoyed
Speaker 2: as a kid, and I posted about it online and
Speaker 2: someone said, kid, let me show you something better, and
Speaker 2: they sent me a link to where there was a
Speaker 2: torrent for somewhere in the between. I think it was
Speaker 2: somewhere in the We might have been keesby Knights. That
Speaker 2: was my first street Light Manifesto album. I don't know
Speaker 2: it was one of the two. But Streetlight Manifesto is
Speaker 2: my favorite band. Probably Thomas Kalknaki is probably my favorite songwriter.
Speaker 2: It goes back and forth between him and Warren Zevon,
Speaker 2: And in terms of bands, it goes back and forth
Speaker 2: between street Light and the Cat Empire. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It kind of depends on my mood sometimes.
Speaker 1: What are the best non mainstream news sources fore or otherwise.
Speaker 2: Non mainstream news sources for your other I mean, it
Speaker 2: depends on kind of like what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: I always recommend jkn Rahan's Popular Front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course Jan Rahan's Popular Front. If
Speaker 2: you want to keep up with like the conspiracy right,
Speaker 2: you can't do better than Knowledge Fight the Q.
Speaker 1: Non anonymous people are.
Speaker 2: Good outside of obviously Ed Zitron's great tech journalism. The
Speaker 2: guys at four H four media do do really good stuff.
Speaker 2: The Defector I like as a I'm interested in a
Speaker 2: lot of these new you know, newer outlets. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: some of what I'd suggest. Obviously, you know, there's certain
Speaker 2: things that like the BBC, there's certain things they do
Speaker 2: very well, war crimes in Africa you can often find
Speaker 2: some really good coverage first, and like BBC's Africa. I
Speaker 2: there's certain things al Juiceia does very well, and obviously
Speaker 2: like certain things that they don't. So there's no like
Speaker 2: this is the best one place to go for all
Speaker 2: of the news in the world, because that really doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: It's more a matter of like coming to an understanding
Speaker 2: of like the shortcomings of and also coming to an
Speaker 2: appreciation of like which specific journalists are worth following from
Speaker 2: place to place, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and finally, Robert, what's cracking my peppers?
Speaker 2: I don't have an answer to that. It's just a
Speaker 2: thing I said once on a podcast for reasons that
Speaker 2: elude me.
Speaker 1: It was one of your best I have to say
Speaker 1: thank you. I really enjoyed that. One last question, Chapel
Speaker 1: Ron or Sabrina Carpenter, do you know who I did?
Speaker 1: Those people are.
Speaker 2: I've heard of Chapel Rowan. People are angry at her
Speaker 2: for some reason.
Speaker 1: She didn't she didn't endorse, she didn't endorse Kamal Hars.
Speaker 2: Okay, because okay, she didn't. We are we reliant upon
Speaker 2: Chapel Rowan to fix American politics because I don't know here,
Speaker 2: but that seems like an unfair burden to place upon
Speaker 2: someone who I'm going to assume is mostly known for
Speaker 2: singing and dancing. Yeah, and my more or less what
Speaker 2: she does. I'm not saying that to be mean.
Speaker 1: My answer to that question is, Robert, do you remember
Speaker 1: the concert I said I went to by myself like
Speaker 1: two days after the election results? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Sabrina Carpenter and that where you got sick?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got. I got sick after going because you know,
Speaker 1: too many people crowd even with masks. That was Sabrina
Speaker 1: Carpenter and she was great and it restored my faith
Speaker 1: in girlhood. So okay, we'll take question good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'll say Sabrina Carpenter too.
Speaker 1: Then sure, any final thoughts or should we get the
Speaker 1: fun fucket out of here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's fucking bounce motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Okay bye friends. Robert loves forty percent of you. I
Speaker 1: love thirty two percent of you.
Speaker 2: You can't prove either of those things, Nope.
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