1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Also media, Hey. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: Robert Ay, sophistophely soft damma rung the ring of the 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: softer lung and nip. I was trying to do like 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: the ring of the nibble lungen, But Sophie, I don't 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: actually know how to how to make that work. Also, 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: not really a joke, just me putting your name into things. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: How are you doing? Are you good? 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I was doing well. 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I was doing well. Anyways, we're back with another Q 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: and A episode. Thank you to those who ask questions 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: on the Instagram. Robert, can you start the folks out 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: with a nice, nice creatum lemonade recipe? People want to know. 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: I don't have a nice creatum lemonade recipe. I have 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: been doing cretem so long that I don't give a shit. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: I just pour it in water, I poured it in soda, 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: I mix it. I don't give a fuck. Don't do that. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: It's gross, literally any liquid substance at the airport. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: I'll say this, Here's what I'll say. I'm going to 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: give you first the responsible advice, and then I'm going 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: to give you the person who uses creative advice. Right, 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: The responsible advice is that creatim is something that can 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: and that in the vast majority of cases, will be 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: used responsibly. It is not easy to become problematically addictive 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: to for most people. If you are someone who is 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: inclined to abuse painkillers, it is very easy to develop 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: a dependency on cretum. Now, a dependency on creatim is 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: not nearly the monster that a dependency on opiates, especially 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: heroin is, And if you are dependent on opiates or heroin, 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: cretim can allow you to get off of that because 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: if you stop taking heroin you get horribly dope sick. 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: Cretim stops you from being dope sick, and it is 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I think critical to remain widely available largely as a 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: result of that. However, if you start taking cretim and 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: you take it every day, you will need to take 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: more and you will notice potentially. This has never really 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: been my case because I take breaks regularly. I've never 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: had any issue going overseas for a couple of weeks 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: and not taking it, you know, taking three or four 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: days off every week or two. Some people do. You 41 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: should be aware that that's a thing, and that it 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: is a capital D drug. I would say it's not 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: as safe as marijuana, although if you have a family 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: history of like schizophrenia, it certainly does not seem to 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: have any of the kind of like ability to incite 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: psychotic breaks that that does. But it's hard to run 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: your body, you know, than particularly like consuming marijuana in 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: a way that doesn't involve smoking, But it's not as 49 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: hard on your body based on all of the evidence 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: that exists as for example, drinking, particularly like, if you're 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: talking about someone who's using kreatum daily versus drinking daily, 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: you're almost certainly better off using creatum daily. I think 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: that's a generally responsible way to categorize it. The ways 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: that you can do it is you take a powder 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: that is just the ground up flower. It is very 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: hard to hurt yourself with just the powder. You would 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: have to take such a massive quantity of it. However, 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: just like with marijuana, people now make extracts, and those 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: extracts are extremely concentrated. It is much easier to harm 60 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: yourself if you are using an extract or to take 61 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: much more than you want. Now, cretum an overdose does 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: not tend to like if you take far too much cretum, 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: it doesn't do what like heroin does and cause central 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 2: nervous system depression that'll stop you from breathing at least 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: not in any of the quantities that you know I've 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: seen documentation on, but it can be really bad and unpleasant. 67 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: So I would say, if you're going to do it, 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 2: do something like get a t stay away from the extracts. 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: Once you start going down that road, it's very easy 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: to develop much more of a dependency on it. That's 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: my cretum speech. 72 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Robert, what's one episode you really want to do? 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: But require a fuck load of research and four million 74 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: episodes to cover the. 75 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: Bush administration and the war on a rack? And part 76 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: of why I haven't is just like it's been covered it. 77 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: I do think maybe now because there's a lot of 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: like gen Z people who listen who maybe went around 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: for that, I'm probably overestimating how familiar people are with 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: the shit around that. So maybe that is the kind 81 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: of thing to get onto. Now. There's just so much 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: to talk about in so many bastards. But it's one 83 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: of those things I've gone back and forth. Should I 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: just do a John Ashcroft episode? Should I just do 85 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: a Dick Cheney episode? Well, how do you do that episode? 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: And then like not cover the rest of it. I 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: just have it yet, contact I just have it yet, 88 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: Like Nixon is the same way, and this was That's 89 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: not really an excuse what I just said, because the 90 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: same is true when talking about like Kissinger's crimes, because 91 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: those Kissinger episodes were also like partly Nixon episodes, because 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: you can't talk about what Kissinger did that was evil 93 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: without talking about a number of other evil guys. So 94 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: I will and should do that. It's just all episodes 95 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 2: like that are always so much work, and I've picked 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: by battles. Usually every now and then I will based 97 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: on like, oh, I think this is really important for 98 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: a specific reason to get out at this time right, 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: like a lot of the fascism focused ones we've done. 100 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: But usually it's more like what do I want to 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: read it right now? What am I interested in? Because 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: if I don't do it that way, if I don't 103 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: let the primary thing that drives me week to week 104 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: be what do I want to read about and write about, 105 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: then I will burn out. 106 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Sure, what episode are you most proud of from this year? 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: Uh? Probably the Lawrence of Arabia episodes. 108 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: Really good. I'm deeply proud of James Stout's series, and 109 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: it could happen here. 110 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: From talking about my episode, so we are. 111 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, okay, I'm deeply proud of James's 112 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: series that he did reporting from the Darien Gap. 113 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: From the Darien Gap excellent stuff. Yeah, yeah, some of 114 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: the best work anyone's done for us. I love those apps. 115 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 116 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: I also they were the hardest for me. But your 117 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: episodes on Troubled teen Wilderness Camps were. 118 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, love me some troubled teen Wilderness camps. How did you. 119 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Get from being a Texas rotc kid to an active 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: war zone journalist to a gas station drug reviewer an 121 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: avid podcaster? Wow? 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Wow, people say I love that. I guess there's a 123 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: few ways to talk about that. So, like the first thing, 124 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: I'll just note on the war zone stuff, people make 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: a much bigger deal of that, Like it comes up 126 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: because war comes up, and particularly some of the wars 127 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: that I've covered come up. So I bring it up 128 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: when I think it's relevant. But like becoming a war 129 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: zone journalist, no one paid me. I just bought plane 130 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: tickets to places and reached out to people who lived 131 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: in the area on the internet before I landed like 132 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: that's all. It was not like a I think people 133 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: talk about it as if there's some like special forces 134 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: training you've got to do, and no, I was just 135 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: like a guy who landed with his girlfriend and a 136 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: camera and that's how we did most of it until like, 137 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: you know, outside of like Syria and mean mar that's 138 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: how I did most of my war zone reporting. In 139 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: terms of like how I stopped being a conservative kid 140 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: from North Texas who wanted to be in the military, 141 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of it was encountering drugs at 142 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: age nineteen and then also starting to make friends with 143 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: young women my age and slightly older than me, who 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: I realized were much more fun to spend time around 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: than the army. Sure, and yeah, all of that, you know, 146 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: kind of collaborated in a radicalization process, you know, not 147 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: even much of a wret just like stop me from 148 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: being like a proto fascist little kid. I was mostly 149 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: just sort of like in terms of temperament, a libertarian, 150 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: but I would always vote Democrat because the Republicans were 151 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: obviously maniacs. And I was just like, I don't agree 152 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: with the Democrats about everything, but I guess I'll vote 153 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: for them because these other people are crazy, and I 154 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: didn't really think a lot about politics until I mean, 155 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: it was Ukraine and following the Syrian refugee trail in 156 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and then Iraq in twenty sixteen and Standing 157 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: Rock in twenty sixteen. You know, I'd been at Occupy 158 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: in New York at twenty eleven for a little while, 159 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: but it was really I mean, Standing Rock was kind 160 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: of one of the most radicalizing single things I experienced 161 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: where I started being like, I'm generally a progressive guests 162 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: with some libertarian tendencies to you know, And I wouldn't 163 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: say I was an anarchist at that, but I started 164 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: like reading more and thinking more and recognizing the like, well, 165 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of this analysis, you know, 166 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: more sure, it was still years before I really like 167 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: identified strongly in that direction. 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of people kind of asked me with 169 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: my upbringing, how somebody said, like, basically, how did I 170 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: become in chargical zone media and like leftist podcasts? And 171 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, the short of it is, I grew up 172 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: with a Republican dad, a moderate Democrat mom, and I 173 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: grew up in an area where most of the people 174 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: were your standard libs with a lot of a lot 175 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of Zionism, honestly, and I think what radicalized me was 176 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: my insane empathy. I'm like a very very empathetic person. 177 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: And so. 178 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: Consuming content and reading history and meeting people. It just 179 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: the more that I consumed and the more people I 180 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: got to meet, the more left I became. And I 181 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: feel like we approach a lot of our content from 182 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: a place of empathy, and that's the kind of things 183 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: I want to put out in the world. I got deep. 184 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I got deep. 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just obviously the people with the most money 186 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: in the world are the kind of folks who volunteer 187 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: at food not bombs, and you know, for their local libraries. 188 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: So I decided I wanted to really cash in on 189 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: that demo. 190 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, for sure. 191 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: Those idiots like Ben Shapiro trying to get money from 192 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: broke oil billionaires, you know, it's the librarians who really 193 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: have walking around money. That's how you get rich. 194 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: And speaking of getting rich, it's time for. 195 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: A yeah, and we're back, Robert Zovie. 196 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: How you doing, Oh, you know, pretty good. 197 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: It's cool. 198 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that most of the USA's divisive issues 199 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: and over manipulated economy would be solved by breaking up 200 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: into smaller individual countries by region example North South. 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: Nah, Yeah, that sounds like a fucking disaster. Look up 202 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: the partitioning of India. Just look up the partitioning of India, 203 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: and then think about the fact that India was not 204 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: a massive part of the global economy as opposed to 205 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: something going the way the partition of India went in 206 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: terms of the violence, the death, the political upheaval, and 207 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: also it being the entire center of the world's economy 208 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: and a significant amount of it's like food and medicine, 209 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, seems like it would be bad. 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: Robert favorite Warhammer Legion Legions characters. 211 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so if we're talking about like they use the 212 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: term Legion, so I assume they're talking about like Eat 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: Crusade through Horace Heresy era. Let's see. I really like 214 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: the paint scheme and the look of like the Legion 215 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: era Iron Warriors a lot, so I would have to 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: say from aesthetics them, but I don't really find any 217 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: of like the fiction that focuses on them particularly interesting. 218 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: And I guess then i'd have to go with like 219 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: Dark Angels or the Space Wolves yeah. 220 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: So when I asked the same person, ask my current 221 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: favorite hobby that's just for fun, Well, it happens to 222 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: be the NBA season, and I play fantasy basketball, and 223 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: I take it. 224 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: Very far or hammer for nerds as I call it. 225 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Sure, and I take it very seriously, and I love it. 226 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: I fucking love it. It's amazing she does. 227 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: She's unhinged about it. 228 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: It frightens me, it does frighten him. And I got 229 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Lebron on my team this year. As he gets older. 230 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: It just I needed him on my team one more time. Robert, 231 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: what's a journalism story that you didn't have to do 232 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: your day job that you would love to cover? 233 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: If tomorrow Aliens came down and said, we're getting rid 234 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: of all of the fascism and authoritarianism and giving you 235 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: all free energy, fixing the climate, making sure every refugee 236 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: has food and water. There are no more problems. I 237 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 2: am going to spend the rest of my life trying 238 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: to kill Bigfoot. 239 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: This is not a question, but I've seen this a 240 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: couple of times. People want to know if you're going 241 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: to do any Australian bastards. 242 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in Australia's ever done anything bad. Yeah, 243 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: seems like an island that never made a bad person, 244 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: so not worth looking into. Probably, yeah, yeah, I assume 245 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: we will. It's just like there's a lot of countries 246 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: we haven't done bastards on sure, but definitely we will 247 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: get an Ausie. Don't worry, folks. Part of why I 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: haven't is the Dollup guys do such a good job 249 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: of hitting Australian weird pieces of shit, So I do 250 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: think there's a good place for people who like the 251 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: kind of thing I do to find that. The Dollup 252 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: has a lot of great fucked up Australia stories. 253 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Any plans to do an OPRAH series or episodes. 254 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, working on them now. 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Yep. That was asked a couple times, Robert, what's your 256 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: favorite firearm? 257 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like they all do such different things, 258 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: like in terms of the one I own, I guess, 259 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: the one that I shoot deer with, in terms of 260 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: like from a I guess emotional standpoint. The very first 261 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: gun I ever bought was a nineteen seventeen lee Enfield 262 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: Mark three, beautiful old World War One era bolt action rifle, 263 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: just like an actually attractive, like piece of history. I 264 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: have a Mouser C ninety six that is enjoyable for 265 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: the same reason, although not a gun that can safely 266 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: be used unless you are directly on a range, because 267 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: sometimes when you attempt to take it off safety, it fires, 268 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: so it is not allowed to be in the same 269 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: room as bullets unless we are at a gun range. 270 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: But is a very fun piece of history as well. 271 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: I really like the gun that I carry as he 272 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: three sixty five XL sig sour great handgun, super comfortable, 273 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: super easy to conceal. I shoot it almost every week 274 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: and feel very comfortable with it. You know. I think 275 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: I could handle most of its basic functions in the 276 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: dark with my eyes closed, aside from aiming. I feel 277 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: good about that. In terms of like what I enjoy 278 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: shooting most recreationally, nothing beats in AK seventy four. I've 279 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: got an AK seventy four with a wooden four grip 280 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: and a wire folding stock. That thing is a hoot. 281 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: The people want to know how did we start cool 282 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: zone media? What's the cool zone media story? 283 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: Just kind of us constantly being behind on everything and 284 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: then it happened by accident. 285 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: No, that's not true. 286 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: I said that part of the genesis of it would 287 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: be that when a twenty twenty was going on, you 288 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: and I had not really envisioned much beyond you know, 289 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: we've got worst year ever, that's doing well, We've got 290 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: Bastards that's doing well. 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: We'd finish the Women's War. 292 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to keep doing probably every year, we'll 293 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: do one or two Robert will go travel somewhere or 294 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: two places, do one or two limited ten episode series, 295 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: and we'll keep doing Bastards, and you know, that'll be it. 296 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: That'll be good. Then the riots happened, and one of 297 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: the things that occurred with that is, you know, I 298 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: covered that very heavily, both in terms of articles that 299 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: I wrote for a variety of publications, in terms of 300 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: stuff for you know what was at the time our 301 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: regular news show, and in Bastards. And by the end 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: of the year, I was absolutely burnt out, and to 303 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: the extent that I became aware of like I won't 304 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: be able to do this the next time something big happens, 305 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: like enough of me has been spent, and also it 306 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: shouldn't be me, like all go crazy, all develop even 307 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: worse takes, like it's just bad, like one of the 308 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: things I have an issue with, and I'm not going 309 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: to like bring up names or critique people, but I 310 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: think it's always a mistake when you build a news 311 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: network centered or like a news platform centered around a guy. 312 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 313 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: So what we were started talking, you know, late in 314 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty early twenty twenty one, and like, we need 315 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: to bring in other people and develop them and give 316 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: them platforms so that whatever the next big things are, 317 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: we have people who are able to cover them with 318 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: the dedication they deserve without just burning me or another 319 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: individual person out by putting, you know, too much on 320 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: their shoulders at once. So that was kind of the 321 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: thinking that led us there. 322 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and iHeartRadio asked us if we wanted to have 323 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: our own imprint, remember yeah, yeah. 324 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, And then the company was like, hey, 325 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: we'll offer you more money if you do this thing 326 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: that sounds like a nightmare and have a daily news show. 327 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: Hey, you want to make a daily show? 328 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: And we said I would rather kill myself. And then 329 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: they said, but you can hire your friends, and then 330 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: we said, well, actually that sounds a lot better. 331 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: They were like, hey, you've been pumping out content multiple 332 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: times a day for the last year at was just 333 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: like end of twenty twenty early twenty twenty one. They're like, hey, 334 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: you've been doing this thing. Want to do it times 335 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: a million? Yeah, that seems healthy. We did, but we 336 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: got to hire a bunch of our friends and that's nice. 337 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of the people we love 338 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: have salaries and health insurance. So a win is a 339 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: fucking win. It's sun for fucking ads. Okay, we're back. 340 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of people asking your how you 341 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: approach research and how you format your episodes. If you 342 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: have a template, if you put something into I know 343 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: the answer to this, which is why you're half smiling. 344 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: If you make some kind of a guide for your episodes, 345 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: or yeah, your process. 346 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: The gist of it is, I have a doc I 347 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: read through. So first, if there's a book, and they're 348 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: usually are more than one book, I read through the 349 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: book or relevant portions of the book. Sometimes you don't 350 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: have to read the whole book because you know, it 351 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: just deals with your guy for a couple of chapters, 352 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: and I highlight shit, I copy and paste the highlighted shit, 353 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: and I organize it by generally, if I have my 354 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: shit together, and I will have like a childhood, you know, 355 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: young adulthood, early career, major crimes, YadA, YadA, YadA, and 356 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: I'll paste in the different parts, you know, with a 357 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: list of like which source it's from. And I do 358 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: the same thing with like highlighted and cut and pasted 359 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: portions of articles, and I organize that by timeframe. And 360 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: then I have that doc in one window and I 361 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: have a word doc in the other, and I go 362 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: through it and I like write it. I look through like, okay, 363 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: it's early life. Here's all the different sources on his 364 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: early life here, and I look through them and I'm like, 365 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: these are the different things that I find most interesting 366 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: from every source, and I just kind of write them 367 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: out in the way that makes sense. I try to 368 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: make sure I quote every source that gives me a 369 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: significant amount of info one or more time, so that 370 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: I'm making it very clear this is where the original 371 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: info came from, because I'm very rarely doing all of 372 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: the original research on these guys. So I want to 373 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: make it clear that, like, you know, if i'm you know, 374 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: this portion where I'm talking about this part of his life, 375 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: it you know, generally came mostly from this source or 376 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: for this source and this source right, you know, that's 377 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: how I try to do it. 378 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Robert, what's your favorite animal and or dinosaur? 379 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: My favorite dinosaur was always an iguanadon. Big iguanadon, guy, 380 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: huge iguanadon fan. Love them, love them because like it's 381 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: the dinosaur equivalent of like a fucking Guido pull in 382 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: a switchblade in a New York alley. Like that's just 383 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: cool that there were dinosaurs who had that vibe where 384 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: they're just like, hey, motherfucker, I'm just gonna cut your ass. 385 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: You know I love a fucking iguanadon. Look them up, 386 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: big sharp knife thumbs, cool dinosaur. 387 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: Robert, what's your favorite part about working? 388 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: So it's okay for me to say I'm a Guido. 389 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: I think I'm allowed to say Guido. Yeah, I have 390 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: no idea I'm allowed to say Guido, Robert. Look at 391 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: how Italian I am. Look At how much of a 392 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: unibrow I grow if I don't shave for a day 393 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: and a half. Look I get to say Guido. Okay, 394 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: I have to deal with all this grease in my hair. 395 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: I get to say Guido. I'm allowed. You don't know me. 396 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: I have no sayas Robert, what's your favorite part about 397 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: working with Sophie? That is an actual question. 398 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh, you're my favorite part of it. I guess that 399 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: you know what you're doing and handle all of the 400 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: things that I would never be able to handle. That. Yeah, 401 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: is that a sensible thing to say? So I have 402 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: no idea. 403 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer that question. 404 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 2: I only know how to do the one thing. 405 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: So I get ask all the time by people what 406 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: it's like working with you, and I say, you are 407 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: the best business partner that anybody could ever ask for. 408 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. 409 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: That's what you were supposed to say. By the way, 410 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: Oh that I'm a perfect angel baby. 411 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to be specific about the nature 412 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: of our working relationship, which is that I do one 413 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: thing and you do many things. 414 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: So true, so true. Robert, would you consider doing more 415 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: South Africa episodes? 416 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean definitely sure, Yeah, we'll do more. I 417 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: need to actually do probably before the next South Africa episode. 418 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: I need to do like a maybe Ian Banks, like 419 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: a more dedicated Rhodesia episode, Like Rhodesia comes up a lot. 420 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: But I haven't just done a I mean, we did 421 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: Cecil Rhodes but I haven't just done like a I 422 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: think Ian Banks was his name, the last president dude 423 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: of or Ian Smith? Sorry, Ian Smith? What would say? 424 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: Ian Banks? Yeah? Ian Smith, the fucking yeah leader of Rhodesia. 425 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: We'll do him soon. Yeah, we'll do another South African 426 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: guy too, but I think we're gonna do Rhodesha next. 427 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: First we got to asked if there was a guest 428 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: we've had on that we'd love to have on again. 429 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Paul Tompkins, Paul F. 430 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: Tompkins. We'd love to have Paul back on. Would be 431 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: happy to have Ed Helms back on for one. 432 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: That's I'd love to have Mosley back on too. So funny. 433 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: I want to say something about Ed because we get 434 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: offers from like famous people a lot, and without like 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: naming any names. Sometimes we make attempts that don't wind 436 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: up as episodes because when they realize what the show 437 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: is and how different this is, that they need to 438 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: sit here for two our three hours, that we're going 439 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: to be really going into detail. That often we're talking 440 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: about things from like a more radical political lens. They 441 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: get uncomfortable because it's, you know, maybe something they view 442 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: as dangerous for their career or whatever. And Ed Helms, 443 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: who I don't think really knew much about us coming 444 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: into the show, he said. 445 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: He said he listened to a couple episodes. 446 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: He listened to an episode maybe yeah, but he sat 447 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: down and I've hume in with fucking a harder episode 448 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: to be a fun guest on Curtis Yarvin and it 449 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: is immediately down to clown So I was you know, 450 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: I have respect for. 451 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: That, absolutely, yeah, Robert, what are your thoughts on the 452 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: developments in Rajava? 453 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: It's too early to tell where thing's going to end, 454 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: but obviously, I mean, it looks like the Turks are 455 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: going to be allowed to continue to bomb as Israel 456 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: has been bombing ro Java, and the United States isn't 457 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: going to do anything. It's unclear if the US is 458 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: going to even stand up for Cobani in any meaningful way. 459 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: But it's also I don't really want to say too 460 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: much because all of this is happening right now. I'm 461 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 2: very concerned. You know, obviously there's no chance of things 462 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: getting better in Syria period without a sod gone. So 463 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: I'm glad that he's gone, but what that means for 464 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: Rojava is still very much unclear to this point, you know, 465 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: it's it's a scary time. I would say the one 466 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: thing that I can say that is comforting to those 467 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: of you who are likewise scared is that it's really 468 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: always been a very scary time. There hasn't been an 469 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: easy or very safe period of the revolution, and they've 470 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: continued holding on. 471 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: So what are some of the most impactful books that 472 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: you've read that you think listeners should read? 473 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: The Dispossessed by Ursula k Legwin if you also haven't 474 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: read it, The Ones Who walk Away from Omlas, which 475 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 2: is a short story. Read that Parable of the Sewer 476 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: and Parable of the Talents by Oh God. And I'm 477 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: facing on a name right now. This is nothing against 478 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: Octavia Butler. Octavia Butler. Sorry, I'm just bad with names, folks. 479 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: I love Octavia. 480 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: I want to recommend Mia from Could Happen Here Show? 481 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: She recommended reading Whipping Girl by Julia Serrano and oh 482 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: my god, it's an incredible book. 483 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 484 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: Also, we both read this book. Who's the uh? I'm 485 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: forgetting the author's named Cultish by I want to. 486 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Coltish was quite good. 487 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: Coltish was quite good. Anything written by Margaret Kiljoy ever 488 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: heard of her? 489 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 490 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: My God, God, And you know there's so many feet 491 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: questions here. 492 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: Here's here's one I haven't brought up. In terms of books, 493 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: read The water Knife by Pallo Batcha Galupi. I'm saying 494 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: his name wrong, I know, but The water Knife is 495 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: just excellent, excellent book. 496 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: I just want to say, there is an absurd amount 497 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: of feet questions in here. Why do you want to 498 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: know my foot size? You fucking weirdo. 499 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: No, don't answer those. Nobody who asked you questions about 500 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: feet on the internet has a good reason. 501 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? 502 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: Don't do better? Jesus Christ? Just go to Wiki feet 503 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: like the rest of the freaks. I will say, I 504 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: do think Wiki feet is one of the last bastions 505 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: of like intellectual honesty left on the internet. 506 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: Robert, how did you get into ska? People want and like, 507 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: what's your favorite SKA? 508 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: Man? 509 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: That was asked a couple times. 510 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 2: You don't get into scat Scott finds you, baby, and 511 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: Scott found me One beautiful day when I was nineteen 512 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: years well, seventeen years old something like that, when somebody 513 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: posted I had become a fan of the band Real 514 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: Big Fish because of the movie Basketball, which I enjoyed 515 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 2: as a kid, and I posted about it online and 516 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: someone said, kid, let me show you something better, and 517 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: they sent me a link to where there was a 518 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: torrent for somewhere in the between. I think it was 519 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: somewhere in the We might have been keesby Knights. That 520 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: was my first street Light Manifesto album. I don't know 521 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: it was one of the two. But Streetlight Manifesto is 522 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: my favorite band. Probably Thomas Kalknaki is probably my favorite songwriter. 523 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: It goes back and forth between him and Warren Zevon, 524 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: And in terms of bands, it goes back and forth 525 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: between street Light and the Cat Empire. I don't know. 526 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: It kind of depends on my mood sometimes. 527 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: What are the best non mainstream news sources fore or otherwise. 528 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: Non mainstream news sources for your other I mean, it 529 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: depends on kind of like what you're looking for. 530 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: I always recommend jkn Rahan's Popular Front. 531 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course Jan Rahan's Popular Front. If 532 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: you want to keep up with like the conspiracy right, 533 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: you can't do better than Knowledge Fight the Q. 534 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: Non anonymous people are. 535 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: Good outside of obviously Ed Zitron's great tech journalism. The 536 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: guys at four H four media do do really good stuff. 537 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: The Defector I like as a I'm interested in a 538 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: lot of these new you know, newer outlets. Yeah, that's 539 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: some of what I'd suggest. Obviously, you know, there's certain 540 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: things that like the BBC, there's certain things they do 541 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: very well, war crimes in Africa you can often find 542 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: some really good coverage first, and like BBC's Africa. I 543 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: there's certain things al Juiceia does very well, and obviously 544 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: like certain things that they don't. So there's no like 545 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: this is the best one place to go for all 546 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: of the news in the world, because that really doesn't exist. 547 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: It's more a matter of like coming to an understanding 548 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: of like the shortcomings of and also coming to an 549 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: appreciation of like which specific journalists are worth following from 550 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: place to place, you know. 551 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and finally, Robert, what's cracking my peppers? 552 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: I don't have an answer to that. It's just a 553 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: thing I said once on a podcast for reasons that 554 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: elude me. 555 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: It was one of your best I have to say 556 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: thank you. I really enjoyed that. One last question, Chapel 557 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Ron or Sabrina Carpenter, do you know who I did? 558 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: Those people are. 559 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: I've heard of Chapel Rowan. People are angry at her 560 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: for some reason. 561 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: She didn't she didn't endorse, she didn't endorse Kamal Hars. 562 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: Okay, because okay, she didn't. We are we reliant upon 563 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Chapel Rowan to fix American politics because I don't know here, 564 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: but that seems like an unfair burden to place upon 565 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: someone who I'm going to assume is mostly known for 566 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: singing and dancing. Yeah, and my more or less what 567 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: she does. I'm not saying that to be mean. 568 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: My answer to that question is, Robert, do you remember 569 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: the concert I said I went to by myself like 570 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: two days after the election results? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 571 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that was Sabrina Carpenter and that where you got sick? 572 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 573 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: I got. I got sick after going because you know, 574 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: too many people crowd even with masks. That was Sabrina 575 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: Carpenter and she was great and it restored my faith 576 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: in girlhood. So okay, we'll take question good. 577 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'll say Sabrina Carpenter too. 578 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Then sure, any final thoughts or should we get the 579 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: fun fucket out of here? 580 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's fucking bounce motherfuckers. 581 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Okay bye friends. Robert loves forty percent of you. 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