WEBVTT - Tabitha Brown 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.960 If I bet I'm gonna eat something. To ask Darien, 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:03.480 I'm gonna take keep black tape? 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:04.280 Why we do that? 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:05.680 Cume? 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:07.720 I like I crease some time and I want to 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:09.239 eat some cheese if I wanted some cheese. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.280 But why do you have to keep the black tape? 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.760 Is what happened my stomach that it don't agree with 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:14.640 my stomach. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.119 But know why, but it'll agree with me table, I 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.840 tell my stomach shut up all. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.720 My life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.439 The Price, want a slice? 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.000 Gottor Brother Geys swap all my life, Poppy grinding all 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:34.080 my life, all my life, been grinning all my life, sacrifics, Hustle, 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.280 Pa Price, want a slice? 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.280 Doctor brother Geist swat. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.240 All my life, pop Be grinding all my life. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.919 Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shaha. I am 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.640 your hole Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shaha. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.240 And the lady that's stopping by for conversation on the 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.480 drink today is an Emmy nominated NAACP Award, Image Award winner, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.680 New York Times bestselling author, globally known and beloved social 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.400 media personality, one of TikTok's top three creator, a vegan icon, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.800 plant based activist, Peter twenty twenty Person of the Year, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.720 A mogul entrepreneur, ce CEO and actress producer Ride a 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.880 Whole fashion designer. Why America's Mom and Auntie Tabitha Brown? 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:15.280 Is that? 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.200 Honey? 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:16.480 Listen? 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.160 I was like, who did all that? 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.280 Did I need anything else? 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:20.120 No? 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:20.840 How are you doing this thing? 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:21.760 I'm doing amazing? 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.959 You man, I am doing this is an unbelievable honor 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.960 for me. When doing my research on you, I'm like, Wow, 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.760 I'm just not hearing about you. But you've been at 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:33.759 this thing for a minute. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.040 Oh yeah, I've been doing it for a long time. Yeah. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.679 I think in the second phase of my life, which 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.080 has been the last six years. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.960 When most people found me. Right, it's how most people 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:43.240 know me. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.160 But I've been pursuing my dreams and entertainment for over 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:47.319 twenty plus years. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.360 So when people refer to you as America's Mom or 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.480 everybody's favorite auntie, how does that make you feel? 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.480 Do you? Are you like, don't be calling me no Auntie? 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:54.720 I ain't. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.040 Oh no, honey, I love it. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.600 Yes, it's a term of endearment. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.840 It's a term of endearment. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.000 And also like for the term America's Mom. I had 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.000 that on my vision board for years and nobody knew 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.000 that really, but I wanted it because I wanted to 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.240 be like Claire Huckson I was growing up. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.200 I looked at her like, oh, she's America's Mom. So 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:10.880 I wanted to be. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.000 That, and I thought I'd have a show as an 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.079 actress and get that title. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.120 But people call me that just for being me. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.320 So when you were growing up, you're from a small 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.679 town in North Carolina, reaching Eden. Yeah, my stylist is 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.399 from Reidsville. Shut up, Hollywood. Hollywood is from Redsville. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.040 Say it ain't. So come on with the three three cs. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.600 We got to know each other again. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.560 I talk people. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.840 So when you're growing up, So what did what did 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.400 little Tabitha want to. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.440 Be when she was growing up? 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:41.520 I wanted to be an actress. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.240 You want to be an acts It started very early, 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.080 about five or six, watching The Cosby Show, and I 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.360 remember telling Mama, I said, Mama, I want to be 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.560 Rudy's friend. That ring the doorbell net you it would 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.000 come in and he never had nothing to say. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:53.760 I didn't like that. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.440 I had something I wanted to say and so she said, oh, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.760 you want to be friends with Rudy. I said, but 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.119 only in the TV. I didn't know what that meant. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.840 And she said, oh, that means you want to be 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:03.440 an actress. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.519 And so I spent all my childhood trying to figure 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.840 out how do I become this thing called an actress? 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:08.040 Right? 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.040 And so my whole life, that's always been what I wanted. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.400 Even from a small town in North Carolina, you dreamt, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.360 you dreamt big of somewhere, being far, far away from 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.560 North Carolina, never forgetting your roots, but you wanted to 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:19.720 be Hollywood. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.919 I just wanted to be on TV, right. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.360 I was always the one performing at the cookouts, Sunday dinners, 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.000 all that you know, I did. It would buy me 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.720 joke books, so I was studying them all week and 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.600 so I'd be like, Ooh, this weekend at the cookout 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.720 or at the Sunday dinner, I'm about to perform these jokes. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.680 You know, It's just always been the thing I love. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.480 Did you being from North Carolina? Obviously I have a 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.560 I'm from rule, South Georgia. I talked with a heavy 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.200 coloquial dialect. You're from north rural North Carolina, And so 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.000 you talked with that dialect. Also, did you take classes 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.240 to try to remove that or you just set alone 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:50.800 who you are? 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:56.920 I covered it for years, for years, okay, from corporate 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.680 America being told that you got a coverage and then 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.240 and entertainment being told you know, I sound country, I 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:03.960 sound ignorant. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.160 I believe that. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.760 And so I took acting classes and you know, learned 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.440 how to cover it. But I also learned how to 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.880 code switch. Very early as a little girl. My mama 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.320 talked to bill collectors and change her voice. And I'm like, oh, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.760 that's how we got to talk to right, you know, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.800 talk to family friends one way, talk to exactly. And 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.880 I did that, but I did it for so long, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.160 you know, I kind of lost myself for a little bit. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.440 But now these last. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.359 Six years it has been my freedom walk and I 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:30.599 never covered anymore. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.440 What did people say, because a lot of times they say, oh, 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.360 you're trying to act, you know what they would say, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.960 Oh yes, So, so how did how did they receive 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.120 when you code switched? 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.560 Well, it was a normal thing, right. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.240 A lot of people met me and didn't know no 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.440 different because that's how they met me. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:48.240 Right. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.880 So, now, when you know some of the people I 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.479 met years ago, they see me now like you didn't 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:53.200 used to talk that way. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:54.599 I was like, yeah, because I won't free. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:54.880 Right. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.080 But now, if you had ever come to my house. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.280 And you was with me and my husband and my 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.000 daddy and all my family, you would have always heard 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.200 this if I was comfortable enough with you. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.640 But yeah, So why was it so important to get 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:12.120 back to Tabitha's original self and not let corporate America 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.280 change Because if you change your voice, you're changing who 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.320 you are. Because the part of who Tabitha Brown is 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.719 is that North Carolina, right. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:19.240 You know. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.800 It was just about freedom, Like I had lost freedom. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.920 You know, when you start to conform to make other 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.560 people feel comfortable and you code switch and you're trying 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.560 to fit in, it's not freedom, right. And so when 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.560 I got sick, my prayer was to God was if 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.680 you heal me, you can have me. And what I 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.680 meant in that was I'm not going to try to 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.640 be this Tabitha I created no more. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.719 I'm gonna be who you created me to be. And 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.240 that mean you me, and that mean I had to 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:46.840 be like that. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.640 Yeah, I love that, And I've been letting him have 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.320 me for the last six years. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:53.240 Every day you have. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:54.159 A lot of sayings. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.240 I mean, you're my you know, people hear me on 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.240 and I talked about what my grandmother and my grandfather 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.240 would say, like hello there. Likes like that because it's 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.839 my business. Have a good day, and even if you can't, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.720 don't go messing up to somebody else's day. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:06.760 That's my dad and my daddy. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.760 Have you always because I've never I shouldn't say never, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.120 but for the most part, when I watch you interview 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:20.120 and see you, you're always smiling, You're always so happy. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.159 Have you always been this person? 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.919 I have always been a joyful person. That's what my 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.640 husband always says. He's like, that's just it's always been 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.320 the root of who I am. Right, I choose joy. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.520 It's a it's an intentional choice every day. It doesn't 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.520 mean I haven't had bad days or bad time, but 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.240 I've also had a long bout of a dark season, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:43.479 and I know what that looks like and it ain't 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.640 no fun. And so I'm intentional with my joy and 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.279 with my happiness, and I want to spread that right. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.400 So it's very important for you to be positive even 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.839 though you're going through things, even to see people see 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.120 you and you. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.720 Smiling like, hey go through right. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.480 Yes, But it seems to me that you're very appreciative 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.840 because you know where you came from, you see where 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.960 you are and where you're heading. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.960 That you're very, very, very appreciative. My grandmother used to. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.880 Say, and when we didn't have anything, she said, boy, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.200 don't be ungrateful to God. Yes, she said, you got 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.560 you woke up this morning, did you? So everything else 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:16.600 is a blessing after that? 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.560 That's right, that's the gift. Wow, that's the gift. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.960 So now that your struggles, you talk about how you're struggling, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.520 because everybody see the last six years of Tabitha, but 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.280 there was a period in which we didn't see this Tabitha. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:31.640 What were those times? 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.800 Like those times were? 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:34.000 You know? 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.880 I was living right, So I was pursuing acting, but 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.280 I was a wife and a mother I have been 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.760 for you know, almost twenty two years now a mom 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.800 and being my husband for twenty five years. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.560 So we were working and trying. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.240 To build and struggling and from North Carolina to california're 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.640 back to North Carolina to California again, but always pursuing 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.200 the dream. My only dream back then was acting, right, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.000 I couldn't see hass that I had to put myself in 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:02.680 a little box. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:04.920 And so that's what it was. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.960 But I always had a job. I used to work 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.120 in Macy's. I used to work at UPS at a 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.720 call center in North Carolina. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.440 What type of employee was Tabitha? 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.240 Oh, listen, it's always a good employee. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.680 Okay, I can go get a job right now, Okay, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:20.160 right now, I can go get a job. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.080 I ain't never been like. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.840 I can see why you worked in the call center. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:24.720 See how you do it today. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.880 Exc So that's where I learned to coverage, right, you know? Yep? 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.560 I asked you about we see the last six years 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.840 of Tabitha, and we talked about obviously you talked about 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.679 the time that you were going through and you said something. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.200 You said you were living, but is there's a difference 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.880 between living, surviving and thriving. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:40.960 Yep. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.600 So you wanted to live to survive in order for 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.920 you to thrive, That is correct. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.320 I like it. Yes, I guess. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.880 I guess we're the king and quean queen the slogans. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:57.880 Yes, absolutely, so. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.360 When times got hard and you met I remember growing 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.319 up when people left in the you know, you used 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.800 to go to New York and they go to Chicago, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.720 they go to Detroit and came back home. They're like, oh, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.360 you don't bomb that. You got high on the hog 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.120 and you had to come home right, right, right? It 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.760 was like you were a failure. So how did it 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.199 make you feel? You left North Carolina, you go to 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.880 California and you have to go back. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.880 You know, in the beginning, I was against it, right. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.880 I had moved to California, thought I was moving to Hollywood, 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.480 but I was down in Orange County somewhere. My husband 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.360 was my boyfriend at the time, and he came out. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.679 I had been out there for like three months. I 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.800 didn't tell nobody how bad it really was, right, and 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.720 I'm renting this room. This woman is pretty much taken 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.200 all my money and working two jobs. I'm nineteen years old, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.000 And so when my husband came out there, he was like, man, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:44.320 you ain't doing no acting. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.120 You ain't. We're not even in LA right, like you 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.320 struggling to even pay bills. He was like, this donna 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.880 make sense, and it's expensive, right, he. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.040 Said, we need to go back to North Carolina where 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.640 it's cheaper. Save up money for one year, then we 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.600 can move back to LA where you can really pursue 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.520 your dream. And so I was like, man, I ain't 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.520 really want to do that, but it sounded like a 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.360 good idea. So I was like, all right, So we 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.160 moved back, but we saved up a little bit of 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:10.520 money so that we can move in and have our 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:11.440 own apartment there. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.120 And we moved to Greensboro, moved into the city. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.680 Okay, okay, okay, and. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.120 So and we were there. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.520 The one year planned though, turned into five years and 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.360 a forgotten dream because you know, we ended up having 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.720 a baby and we were both working, and we got 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.320 a house, and we had caused new responsibilities, and I 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.319 just thought I missed out on that opportunity. I convinced 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.559 myself I couldn't have it no more. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.040 Right, So, yeah, you so you weren't embarrassed to go back? 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:35.440 You didn't. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.040 And then when you had a child, and you see 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.120 you say okay, and your husband talked to you into 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:40.840 going back, and you say we got one year, it 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.120 turned into five years, and. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.680 Did you like, damn at your lowest? How bad was it? 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:46.760 You know what? 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.920 Even then, I don't think it was my lowest, okay, right, 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.800 I think that I had just convinced myself that this 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.120 is what it is, okay, And so it wasn't until 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:57.920 I mean, I was working at a cart and I 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:02.080 had promoted to supervisor at a beerage. Okay, okay, I 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.720 was like twenty one and I had people under me 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:04.560 that was in eight fifties. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.160 So I'm. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.360 Yes, And I was probably making I think thirty thousand 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:10.679 dollars a year. I was bowling. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.280 We was doing very well, good money back then, right, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.760 and so I was like, this is our root team, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.880 Like this is gonna be it. And one morning I 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.520 woke up it felt like an earthquake had hit Greensboro. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.520 My bed shook and I heard a voice that sounded 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.080 like thunder, and the boy said. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.200 This is not the life I planned for you. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.240 And I got on my knees because I got very scared, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:33.800 and I just started praying. I was like, God, if 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.480 this is you speaking to me, I need you to 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.880 show me a sign today because if not, I think 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.040 I'm going crazy. I'm gonna check myself in. And I 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.840 told my husband what happened, and I think he thought 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.520 I was crazy. But then later that day we was 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.080 on our way to the mall and on the radio, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.040 Buster Brown, who was the local DJ at the time. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.880 He came on the radio and he was like, this 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.320 is Buster Brown. I got a new TV show on 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.480 the WB network, and I'm holding auditions looking for a 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.600 female co host. And I could have bust the windows 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.080 out the car. I went crazy and across that's my sign. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.600 That's that's that's that's my audition. I got to go, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.920 and I went and I booked that job, and that's 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.080 what got me back into dreaming again. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:09.880 Got you in the TV. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:14.240 You're like, okay, but did you did you lose aspirations 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.160 of being an actress or he says, Okay, TV is 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.800 my endpoint to maybe it's just something bigger. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.320 No, I just that was my my sign to get 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.120 back into it. I started doing that. I was producing 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.240 my own sagments and interview with people right, kind of 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.120 like you, okay. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.679 Well I'm in Hollywood. Okay, Hollywood. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.559 I guess that's a sign, right, And so then I 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.960 started back doing theater community and then I would drive 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.520 three hours to Wilmington to do extra work on One 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.320 Tree Hill because I was like, I need to know 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:45.960 what it's like to be on a set, right so 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.400 that I can see, like how everything works. And then 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.840 I did all that for like a year, and then 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.360 I told my husband, now it's tiying to move back. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.560 To La Yep. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.080 I read where your mom had passed and it was 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.760 a very dark time for you, singinglarly went through some depression. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.280 So what was that time? So how did you deal 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.160 with what you was going through? Because I'm assuming you're 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.960 very close to your mom and then to the chief 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.199 tore like, Okay, I know my mom would want me. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.120 To do what Yet So when my mama was sick, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.120 it was a tough time, you know, because me and 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.400 my husband we were still very much so newly married 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.640 and we've been together for years, but we were new 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.320 in Los Angeles, so I was going back and forth 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:25.880 to North Carolina to help take care of her. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.280 So just that time and to know that it was 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.240 a terminal disease. Mama died young. She was fifty one, wow. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.040 And so those three years were hard. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:38.800 In itself, but I feel like it was the time 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.400 that changed me the most, but in the best way, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.560 you know, when you see somebody who was amazing. My 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.959 mama was a light, and she was a master at 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:54.839 giving grace, and she loved people, and she never complained. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.240 So I saw my mama go from being this amazing woman. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.040 She was a social worker, she was a pastor who 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.439 wore heels every day and was you know, out all 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.960 the time, to the point where she was trappingside her 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.760 body and could not move because she had a LX. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.000 And never one time did she complain. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.360 And I remember talking to her, and I remember asking her, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.400 you know, Mama, if you could go back and change 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.120 and not be sick, would you change it? 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.400 And she said no, And I said, you wouldn't go 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.800 back and change not getting sick? She said no. That 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.320 means God has trusted me with this journey. He knows 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.640 I can handle it. And that stuck with me, right, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:34.400 It stuck with me. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.440 And then just to see her go through it so 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:42.560 gracefully and always have a smile on her face. I 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.520 always took that and was like, I gotta do something 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.800 with my life, you know. So when she passed away, 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.320 I was like, Okay, I'm gonna take any job I can, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.240 just you know, an acting. And I did a lot 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.360 for like two years, stuff that nobody needed to really see. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.520 I was like, I booked it. Hey, I'm gonna do 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.400 this movie. That's when you know the straight to DVD 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.840 Yeah yeah, straight yeah yeah yeah yeah, cho Buster and 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.160 all that. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.520 I had like five movies and like one year all 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.840 went to like DVDs and it, you know. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:11.880 But I mean it was great. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.240 I mean, of course I joke about it, but I'm 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.640 glad for every role I took back then because it 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.200 just validated that I was living in a dream that 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.040 I had, right, and also that my mama told me 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:23.440 that this day would come. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.360 But back then, I thought that was the day she 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:26.080 was talking about. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.120 When you I hear you talk about your mom when 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.520 you ask her if she could go back and change anything, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.920 even with the debilitating disease of ALS, he said she 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.480 wouldn't change a thing. If that what allows you to 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.000 stay so positive because you saw the journey that your 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.440 mom was on, and no matter what you was going through, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.120 ain't no way it's even comparable to what she's going Listen. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.720 It plays a large role in my everyday life. In 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.680 my everyday life, even like right now, things I'm going through, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.360 I'd be like, man, I hate that I'm going through this, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:54.800 but it's nothing compared to that. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.320 Right, I'm reading you a ups worker basically warehouse uber. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.480 You worked at Mason and Central City. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.840 I worked in the office at the office, Yeah, at Macy's. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.480 So you're an uber driver. I was, okay, what type 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.160 of uber driver did you get? It was you get 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.840 one star, two star, three stars. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.960 Liszt said, you know, I was the best super driver. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.240 I did it from October of twenty seventeen to December 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:23.600 or yeah, December thirtieth seventeen, and I was the best 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:24.120 super driver. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.680 I know how to read the room though, I know 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.720 what people don't want to talk about, Okay, okay, right. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.680 But I also was like, in my mind, I'm about 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.720 to get discovered in my car. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.840 Okay, so everybody that. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.640 You're gonna cast, the director was over here. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.040 I thought I would find a pick up, the producer, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.000 the director of the. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.680 Cast, somebody that can put you on. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.560 I said, I'm gonna get discovered in the car because 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.720 they gonna they gonna love me. I'm I'm gonna hit 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.320 them with a couple of things and then I'm gonna 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:48.200 just call you from the set. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.160 That's how my mind rights. But I did not. It'll 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:51.520 pick up. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.160 I think I picked up maybe one person who said 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.960 they was a producer, and I was like, yeah, you 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.960 ain't no producer, but you keep speaking it into existions, right, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.120 But I would every time somebody to get. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:01.800 Like, hey, how you doing? 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:01.880 You? 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:02.320 You know? 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.919 So you getting so you picked me up? 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.040 Uh huh. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.440 You're gonna introduce yourself? You say, Hi, I'm tabletha. What's 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.000 your name? What type of music wuld like to listen to? 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.720 I have some water, have some wives, have some mints 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:14.240 in the back. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:14.960 I have all that. 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.000 Star was was. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.560 I had a good crisis three hundreds okay, okay, it 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:22.960 was a nice crist of three hundred. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:23.320 Okay. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.199 Now when we had the fires, I did go to 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:27.399 the right aid and get. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.480 The mask for the people. This before COVID okay, wow. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.400 Because I was telling people this and the ashes was falling, right, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.920 I was like, I got a little mask right here, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.960 but the water and stuff I couldn't afford all that. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.680 And now I had been on disability for over yah. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.879 I was just getting back on my feet. Just so, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.240 what y'all gonna get this mask? 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.919 You mentioned your little disability? What transpired? You? You're following you? No? 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:48.520 I got sick. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:48.840 Sick. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.040 I got sick in twenty sixteen, and uh I had 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:53.960 a headache in the back of my head and the 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.480 headache was there every day for a year and seven months, 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.959 and I started having chronic fatigue in my body and 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.240 chronic pain throughout, and I just could not get well, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.000 and going to the doctor every week and every month 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.920 and doing blood work and. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.720 All kind of like MRIs, everything would come back normal. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.040 They couldn't figure out what's wrong with right, And so 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:13.960 they just told me one day, they were like, we 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.560 know that it's something out of immune making your body 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.400 attack itself. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:18.920 We just can't figure it out. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.560 And so of course when somebody tell you we know 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:22.760 something wrong with you, but we don't know. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.160 Hold on, y'all went to all this school, man, y'all 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.679 went to school for ten, fifteen, twenty years. Y'all are 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.119 waiting to get all these yea, and y'all don't nobody 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.000 know nothing. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.359 No, no, So that cost me to fall into the 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.359 dark depression. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.000 So now you depressed because you've got people that's very, very, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.960 very well educated, and they can't diagnose or tell you 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.800 what's wrong or how long this is going to go on. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:44.880 This is very true. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.199 Yeah, wow, yeah, you try and stand up. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.480 I did. I was doing it for a little while, honey, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:52.560 And it was right, good in it? 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.720 How many jobs? How many time to figure how many 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:55.280 jobs you had? 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.760 Or you jaica listen, it's probably my rooms. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:03.639 Okay, maybe I mean ups Mazie's uber stand up? 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.800 What made you decide to do stand up? Were you 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:08.680 fron other child? 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.800 Oh? Always? Comedy is natural for me? 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.080 Right? 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.360 Okay, but I told you my daddy used to buy 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.320 me Joe book. We used to watch stand up all 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.680 the time. My daddy was a big richer prior thing. Yes, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.159 Jerry Clyd were like all the like. We used to 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.520 listen to the records and listen to comedy and then 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.080 death comedy Jam when that came, would record them all. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.359 I would play them over and over and over. So 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.240 it was just a thing that I loved and I respect. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.600 And so when I was trying to get a TV 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.719 show because I was acting and acting, and I was like, man, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.080 these comedians keep getting. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.240 TV shows, let me go try some standing. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.640 So that's why I did it. That's why I did it, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:44.760 trying to get a show. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.679 So you were good. So did you get booed? 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:48.199 No? 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.120 Never, really never? 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:52.719 So why did you give it up? 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.680 I got seeck. So when I got sick. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:56.720 You thought about going back. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.760 I'm not really every blue moon people would be like 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.200 you you stand up again. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:06.920 I think that now what I do it has stand 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:08.040 up in its own way, right. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.040 But I realized why I love stand up so much. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.239 It is really to make people feel well, right, And 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:16.119 I do that anyway. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.920 You do your personality. You walk into the room. 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.760 You walked into the room and you have this big 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.800 smile and you're like full of energy and vibrants. It's like, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.280 even if I'm down, like, damn, she happy. So something 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.399 must be going back to happen to me because she 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.960 just came outside. So when I go back outside, it's 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:33.400 gonna be it's gonna be sunny again. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:40.000 So you didn't meet anybody in La. How did this 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:40.880 start to take off? 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:46.960 I read that you did you critique Whole Foods a vegan. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:47.920 The sandwich sandwich? 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:48.399 Yes? 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.679 And from fifty thousand views to a million views and 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.160 that was really the launching or the jumping off point 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:54.399 for you. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.439 Yes. So I was driving over right. So this is 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.359 December thirty of the twenty seventeen. 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.720 I had been a new vegan for a couple of months, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.000 so I had just started doing videos in these couple 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.280 of months to tell people excuse me when I find 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.800 a new vegan option, or I would cook in my kitchen. 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.000 I'm gonna share it with y'all. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.560 And so I had dropped somebody off buy Whole Foods, 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.000 and I was like, oh, I need a little breakfast. 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.560 Whole Foods always got a vegan option. Went in there, 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.200 and I had never heard of vegan bacon at the time. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.840 I was like, oh, I got a bot, but it's vegan. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.280 Let me get that why they got a play baseall again, 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.800 reall yes, And so I got it ate the first 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.560 half of the Sundar so quick. I was like, oh lord, 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.119 I need to do a video to tell people I 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:35.200 found a new vegan option. 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.600 So, sitting in my car, I did the video, posted it, 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:38.800 I went on back to drive an uber. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.760 I ain't think anything really up the video because I 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.600 was already doing videos and they won't getting like no 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.160 thousands of us. They would get like a couple hundred views, 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.159 a couple thousand over a couple of weeks, you know. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.240 And so when I got back home and termed my 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.399 notifications on that video had like over. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:55.360 Fifty thousand views. Wow. 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.439 And then I was like, well, we're watching the video like, 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.520 I don't know. And then the next morning when I 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.399 checked it again, it had over one hundred and some thousand. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:03.880 I was like, I told my husband I think I'm 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.719 going viral, and he was say, what that mean. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.760 I was like, I don't know. He was liked, well, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.359 you gonna make some money. I was like, I don't know. 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:10.240 I don't know that either. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.160 But four days later, Whole Food's reached out on Facebook 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.879 and my DM and it was like, we saw your video. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.440 We'd love to work with the honey of the rest 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:17.439 in history ever since then. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.360 Ye, so Whole Food's reaching out in your DM. You're 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:21.879 mispronouncing the sandwich wrong. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:22.600 Oh yeah. 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.000 They ended up they ended up saying, okay, we're gonna 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:26.959 call it what you call it. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:32.560 Yes, it was originally TLTA for ten fee letters Tomato Avocado. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.760 I called it TTLA okay cause I was just excited 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.160 and I thought I said it right, but I said 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.520 it wrong, So they changed it to TTLA. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.359 Did you go vegan because of what was transpiring with 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.159 your body? The auto immune deficient the thing that you 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:46.960 had going on? And you say, you know what, I 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:48.720 meet meat and I'm putting all this process food in 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.440 my body, Let me try. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.280 This, Yes, so I went vegan. 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.600 My daughter came home from school one day during this 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.880 time of my sickness, and she was like, we saw 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.840 this documentary at school today, Mom, I think you should 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:00.600 watch it. And it was What the Help on Netflix, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.680 and so we watched it together and I told my husband, 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.000 I was like, mmm, when they started talking about not 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.560 all diseases being hereditaries that they can eat the same 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.120 thing that can cause the same disease in our family, 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.159 and I thought, well, my mama. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.720 Died at fifty one, a rare disease. There's no cause 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:16.200 or cure. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.080 And my daddy was the first man to ever turn 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.760 seventy in our family. Wow, And people die young in 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.399 my family and they get seeking young ages. And so 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.439 I thought, well, the only thing we had in common 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.680 was how we ate. And I wasn't a bad eater, 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.760 right because you know, I was in Hollywood, But I wasn't. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.840 Eating to feel well. I was eating to look a 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.760 certain way and that's not the way to live, right. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.040 And so I told my husband. I was like, let's 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:39.960 do a thirty day began challenge because I had tried 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:47.359 every drug. Yeah, did it as a family days because 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.479 I mean, I had taken all the drugs the doctors 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:50.879 gave me because I was a guinea pig. You know, 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.520 you don't know what whatever you want to offer me. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:54.680 I'm desperate to feel better. 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.600 Shots in my head, shots in my so I was 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.119 doing everything. So we did it for thirty days. In 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.080 the first ten days, the headache I got had every 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.280 day for a year and seven months disappeared. And so 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.040 I was like, wait a minute, that's how I look. 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.000 See that little thing you do with your head, That's. 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.639 What I say. Okay, okay, So I figured. 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.040 I was like, you know what, I'm on the something. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:12.879 And then after the thirty days, I was getting the 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.639 energy again. My pain was leaving my body, and I 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.159 was starting to feel like myself. And I was like, 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.080 you know what, this is gonna be my life. I'm 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.520 gonna go vegan right here. I am almost six yeard 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.520 on thirty days. He said, babe, I told him. I said, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.480 I'm gonna be begging back. I'm not going back. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.080 He said, that's so good for you. But tomorrow and 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:29.800 need a piece of cheek. 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.480 Yeah know what I'm thinking. I'm like, I feel good. 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.520 I ain't got no headache about stuff. It don't hurt, 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:35.800 and I got plenty of energy. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:37.760 Yeah, I said, you know what, that's your business, right, 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.720 But he did it two years after I was veging. 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.240 I was begging for two years, and then he decided 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:43.680 on his own. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.960 He watched a different documentary Game Changes, and that's from 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.840 the athletes and a man's point of view, and then 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.800 he did it himself and was vegan for two years, 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.040 and then he recently went back to eating fish and chicken. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:54.560 Yep. Right. 0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.399 Did you know social media had the power that it 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.040 had before you went viral? 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:02.360 No? 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.040 I didn't think anything really of social media, you know 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.960 when you for me as an actress, I was always 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.000 told you don't get on their honey. Yeah, theyin't gonna 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.679 take it serious, I think, and I kind of believe that, 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.000 kind of like over the years. 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.600 Of me believing other things that the industry told me. 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:20.960 But I was doing what God told me to do, right. 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.320 I only got on social media because I had a 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.200 dream and I saw myself on the show. 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.560 And I have always had the gift of dreaming and sining. 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:31.760 So when I woke up and I asked God to 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.400 reveal that to me, because I was like, I'm sick. 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.919 I'm not out auditioning, I'm not doing stand up. 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.520 How was I on the show and the words that 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.040 I heard was started doing videos. 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.520 And I was like, oh, no, Lord, I'm not about 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.600 to do these videos. I don't do that. 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:48.760 I'm an actress, okay, But he was very adamant. God 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.600 was just like, this is what you need to do. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.119 He said, when you were trying to get a show, 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.520 you were doing stand up. You was reaching fifteen thirty 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.440 people a night, he said, but if you start doing 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:58.399 these videos, you'll. 0:25:58.240 --> 0:25:59.439 Reach thousands and minutes. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.719 And I was like, Lord, I ain't even got thousands 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.240 of people to reach in minutes, Like this don't make sense. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:06.720 And then he reminded me of the moment in the 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.600 bathroom when I had said God, if you heal me, 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.199 you can have me, so which meant I had to 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.760 be obedient. So when I first started doing my videos, 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.920 I was doing the same like jokes and stuff I 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.520 would do on stage as a comedian, but I'd be 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.119 sitting on my bed or sitting on my couch. 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.560 It had nothing to do with food. 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.040 Then, over that time, when my daughter came home and 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.840 I decided to go vegan, the moment I told my 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.639 husband I'm going vegan. The whisper in my ear was, 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.520 now tell people what you're eating in your videos. And 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.320 I was like, oh Lord, I gotta tell these people 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.040 I'm vegan. I'm from North Carolina. This time I had 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:39.919 also shaved off all my hair, so I did the 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.119 big chop. I was like, Lord, if I get on 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.320 here and tell people, it ain't no challenge, Like it's 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:44.760 my life. 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:45.959 I'm going to be right. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:47.760 This is a lifestyle now, this is not thirty day 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:48.960 sixty day challenge. 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:50.920 Is this is gonna be it. I was like, they're 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.640 gonna be like that girl to finally lost my mind. 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.199 I just Hollywood. But I was like, I can't care 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:56.960 about it. I got to be obedient and do what 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:57.840 God has called me to do. 0:26:57.920 --> 0:26:59.840 So I had Steve Harvey on a couple of weeks ago. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.120 He said it was amazing. 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.399 Thank you, And he said, the number one killer of 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.640 dreams is family and friends. When you told your husband 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.800 about this dream, about this vision you have, it seems 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.560 that I've watched a lot of your videos that he's 0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.359 been so supported in your dream. 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.639 Well, you know, I'm gonna let him tell you eventually. 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:21.719 But I was crazy. 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.840 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.520 I would have I'd be like, God showed me this 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.560 because I have, like I talk about it in my 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:32.200 first book. Right, I've always had the gift of seeing, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.639 whether I'm awake or asleep, I can see things that 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:36.840 nobody else sees. I can hear things nobody. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.720 Else here because he's talking to you, talking to me. 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.320 Right, and so I and he's showing me things. My 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.080 dreads and my mama would always tell me that. She 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.439 was like, you know, God gave you the vision, not 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.719 anybody else. It's up to me to make it manifest 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.520 so that others will become believers. 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:52.879 Right, but you speak it so that they know it 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.399 is real. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.240 And so you know, there were many times I would 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.520 tell him and he'd be like, okay, all right. You 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.720 know he would go along because he loves me, not 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.240 necessarily because he believe it. But now he'd be like, dang, 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.840 everything that you was were living in the dream. 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:09.880 Now do we ever come up. 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:16.040 And said, baby, you thought of something. Everything we judge it, 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.600 It goes anyway you thought about it. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.000 You thought about something, Yes, yes, you listen. I'll let 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:21.680 him tell you. 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.560 So what a social media platform. 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:28.480 I mean, obviously it's Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, what's what's 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:29.160 your preference? 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.520 I don't really have a preference, but I started on 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:36.679 face Facebook, right, that's my original order, right, which is 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:37.760 my older order? 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.480 Yeah, because I thought Facebook was like for family reunions, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:41.360 class reunion? 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:42.320 Hey, how you doing that? 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:42.600 Hey? 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.680 You know we went to school together. But people are 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.560 all really on Facebook. 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.760 On there, they really only and they are loyal and 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.480 dedicated to their. 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.160 People, right, and my following years, I call him family. 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.680 Nobody more loyal than my think right, they show up 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.680 for me, right, and they and I have Instagram as well, 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:04.520 I mean I have them all. 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.560 Instagram is huge for me as well. 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.800 But I've never cooked live anywhere else other than Facebook. 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.600 So are you the social media opera? 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.760 I don't know, but people call me that. They just 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.400 a lot of people like you. Are you the new 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.160 Oprah for us? And I'd be like, well, god bless 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:20.560 it all? 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.840 Right, but there's something But you're different. But you're cooking, 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.640 but you're giving inspirational talk. 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:28.040 Yes as you. 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.720 Cook and sometimes I'm not cooking at all, and. 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.120 You feel, yes, was your did your mom? Is that? 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.200 Did you? Where do you get that from Where did you? Why? 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.520 Where did you? And why did you decide to add 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:39.600 that aspect to it? 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.840 That was always a thing that I have inside of me. 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.400 Like my friends, my family, they know like I'm that 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.360 person that would always pour into other people. It just 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.600 it's a natural thing for me. But you know, after 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.880 I went through my season of the darkness, I was 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:00.560 doing whatever God called me to do, right and I 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.680 still am. So when God puts something in my heart, 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:04.560 I'd be like, oh, okay, I need to share this 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:05.080 with somebody. 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.000 It can't just be for me, right, Yeah? 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.440 You so celebrities obviously everybody. 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.640 CJ, my producer, his wife is here, says and this 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.160 is the first time she come on the set or 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.479 the second time. If you brought a family right there 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.040 in the green, she is like, I gotta meet Tabitha. 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.440 I got to see Tabitha. I so many people. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:25.720 When they's like, well who you got on the podcast, 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:26.920 I'm saying I got Tabitha. 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.000 Bron Man telling Tabitha Brown, tell I love her, tell 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.600 I love her. Everybody seems to love you. There's nothing 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.920 bad to be. What does that make you feel? 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:35.000 Like? 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.600 With so many celebrities, we understand the fan base, but 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.960 a lot of famous people. No, Tabitha Brown loves Tabitha Brown. 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:50.560 I mean, I feel grateful right to be loved. But 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.400 the most I think the most important part for. 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.760 Me is that people just love me just for being me. 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.560 Yes, you know, so I feel like family and I 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.600 think that's what it is for people. People just feel 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.280 like I'm part of their family too, And that's intentional 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.400 for me, Like I want people to feel like we're family. 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.960 So that seems so approachable. You seem so down to earth. 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.360 You don't give the like, don't come talk to me. 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.760 I'm busy, I'm in a hurry. You give the vibe like, hey, 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:14.280 how you doing? 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.520 Come talk? Say hello? It'll do yourself. 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.440 I'm going in. I'm going in for the hood. 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.000 Like hey, like I love that, But I also like, 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.120 how dare I not have time for the people who 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:25.840 help me climb? 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:27.520 You know, I am. 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.680 In this position, hey, because God said I could have it, 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.840 but because people support me. And so when I have events, 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:34.560 you know, if my team was here, they would tell 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.640 you I have events. And if there's a meet and greet, 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:38.920 you better not put a time on it for me 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.320 because I'm gonna see every person, Like literally, it will 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.040 go from a hour to ten hours, right. 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.200 Because you're having a conversation, you're taking a picture and 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.160 you having a conversation, Hey, how is your day going? 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.520 You know, my mom loves you and you're like obviously 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.400 before you had a team in before people got your number. 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.280 Obviously you have a team, you have a business manager. 0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.600 A lot of the things that would transaction that were 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.680 happening in your DM. You said, Whole Foods reached out 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:04.120 in your. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.040 DM absolutely on Facebook. 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.440 So do people still reach out and try to and 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.120 want to do business with you even though you got 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:12.640 a team that. 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.720 And you don't always pray before I go into my 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.800 dms because I need to. I always say, God, let me. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.520 See who what I'm supposed to see, because there's so 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:20.760 many I ever see them all. 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.920 But there's still people who can't get. 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.960 To my team because you know, some some things depending 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.800 on like you know, when your agency is big. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.240 They won't entertain certain things. 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.600 But those are the ones that I'll send to my 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.520 other team that'll be like, I want to do this 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.800 for you know, it ain't about the money, It's about 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:36.200 the people. 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:36.840 Wow. 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.000 So but you also have to be careful because for 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.920 every good deal that could potentially come along, there's a 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.640 scam and the one thing that you don't want the 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.760 ding on Tabitha Brown's name. You work so hard for 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.520 this reputation and this Christine, and you like to keep 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.960 it in tap. So what's the process of going through it? 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.960 Says Okay, is it your husband? Is it your team 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.400 that you get down to it and says okay, I 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.600 think this might be this is something that we might 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.720 need to entertain or something like, Nah, I'm gonna stay 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.120 away from that. 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.320 When you mean like it to come into DM. Yeah, yeah, 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:11.960 if it coming to DM, like, I'll send it to 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.240 my team and like you let them better, Yeah, bet 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:15.240 this and see if it's real. 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:15.560 Right. 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:16.520 Yeah. 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.520 But then also I don't say yes to nothing without prayer, right, 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.160 So I pray about it and I'll say, okay, we 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:23.760 can move forward. 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.040 I surely appreciate you praying about this because. 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:30.480 When I told my husband, he was like, oh, you're 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.680 doing this. 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.120 But you you've done so much. I mean you have. 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.040 Let's talk about the spices because I have a friend 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.800 of mine and she says, tell Tabitha that I bought 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.840 fifteen of those of those spices. My mom bought ten. 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:47.880 I said, why the hell y'all bought ten? To the 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.520 safe talk about they sell out? 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.800 Yeah they yeah. In the beginning. 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.160 The first time I dropped Sunshine was my first season. 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.600 It sold out I think in twenty six minutes online, 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.720 and so I had no I did it, was gonna 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.160 do this right, And then we released it again. And 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.960 then maybe like six months later, it broke the site 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.279 for McCormick and it was so it sold out in 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.759 like forty six minutes. Probably have sold out quicker, but 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.319 the site broke and so when it got back up, 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.200 it took about forty six minutes. And so then we 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.240 were like, we gotta put it in stores right online 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.680 it's just not it's not. Yeah, So now it's available everywhere. 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.319 Now I have new spices that are now literally rolling 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:25.360 out the spring and summer. 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.359 I mean, you named and now you got a hair 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:28.040 care product. 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.600 Uh huh, Donna's recipe because it's Donna In case you 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.120 didn't know it, don she on break Caation right now, 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:35.520 break Caation yeah, yeah, Breid Cash. 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:36.280 Yeah. 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.640 So so what made you decide to come up with spices? 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.440 Because you said you want to be an actress you didn't. 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.440 I didn't hear you say you want to be Martha 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.080 Stewart or some cooking expert. But now you got spices 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.880 you cook. How did you transition? How did you weave 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.839 your way and navigate your way to like, Okay, I'm 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.439 done with this, so let me come over here. 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.680 So, as I started doing the videos and cooking right, 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.040 I was like literally letting God order my steps. So 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.840 as I'm cooking, I'm reading comments people like hell, do 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.560 you need your own spices? And I'd be like, I 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:12.600 guess maybe I do need my own spices, right, But 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.719 I don't know. And you know, the first year, I'm 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.080 just cooking and I'm talking, I'm cooking, and then I 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:19.600 thought about it. I was like, you know what, I 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:21.799 do use a lot of different spices, and I'm really 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.000 big on being salt free, right because I know, like 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:29.600 my family dynamic exactly, especially with people of color as well, 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.680 and so I was like, if I could do a spice, 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.799 it would have to be salt free. And so when 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.640 I first started working organically with McCormick, it. 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.560 Wasn't even really a thought. I was like, oh, well, 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:41.000 this is great. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:42.800 I can use their stulf because my granted using my 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.040 mama used them, and I'll just continue to use it. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.400 And they were like, you ever thought about doing your 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:48.680 own spice? I was like, actually I have, and it 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.080 was an organic thing. But also because my people wanted it, 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:53.160 so I wanted to give them what. 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.080 They asked for, right, So how did the hair product 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:55.600 come about? 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:57.160 So Donna's recipe? 0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.919 Well, you know, with Donna, I had did the big child, 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.640 and so as she was growing out, I had a 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.640 nice little fro and to begin a little small one. 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.560 And so I also have stenosis in my neck from 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.879 a car accident, and so for a period of time 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.719 I had to lay flat on my back, so my 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.960 hair started to thin in the back and I was like, 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.400 oh lord, I need to find something to make my 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.239 hair strong again and make it grow bad. And so 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:21.920 I started trying to find different products, but a lot 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.440 of products had chemicals in them, and I was like, well, 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.120 I'm on this new journey of being vegan, and I 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.680 had had that headache for you know, the year prior. 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.360 I didn't want to just put anything back on my head, 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.359 especially you know that's going to seep into my you know. 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:35.800 My pores. 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.200 Correct, So I started trying to create my own with 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.440 like essential oils and natural oils, and I just couldn't 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.799 get it done on my own. And so I was 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.920 doing that for almost a year, trying to like like 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.319 I was like a chemist, tap in right right in 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.000 the house, in the bathroom. And so my business partner's 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.120 my business partner now, Gina Woods. She came to me 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.360 and was like, I had this idea Donalds. She have 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:58.799 her own hair Caroline. I was like, girl, I've been 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.319 trying to do that for a year, you know. And 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.520 so she presented her idea to me and my husband, 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.520 and I was like, okay, this is kind of you 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.160 know already what I was doing anyway. 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:08.600 So that's how it came to be. 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.520 But it was really because I needed a product for myself, 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.520 and once I figured out the formul I was like, well, 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:15.640 I can't keep this to myself. 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:16.960 I want to share it with the world. 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.800 So what have you learned about entrepreneurship and business because 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:22.480 a lot of people now we see a lot of 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.240 saying okay, I won't instead of taking a fee up front, okay, 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.080 let me take a percentage of the company. 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:29.719 Let me get there. So let me get that. 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.080 So what have you learned because I read where you 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.320 was like, yeah, some people got me in the beginning, 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.400 they did a number on me. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.080 They got they got your girl. 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.479 Yes, So in the very beginning doing brand deals and partnerships, 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.080 I didn't know that business. I knew SAG, I knew 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.480 the union, I knew acting word, and so I had 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:48.000 to learn it. 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.280 I'm glad they got me because they won't give me again. 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.160 Yeah, and then you come back, I'm gonna get you 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.040 and okay, okay. 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.279 So I learned a lot that way. 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.239 But the one thing I learned is that people will 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.600 show up and try to act like they are. 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:08.279 They have your best interests, but you gotta be like, 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:09.680 you have to use your discernment. 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:10.319 Right. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.680 Everybody don't have your best interests, and a lot of 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.600 people want to pull from you and gain from you, right, 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.640 and even try to take your your businesses. You know, 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.359 they'll think that they own you. So I've always making 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.000 it very clear that the tab is not for sale. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.000 You can do business with me, but you. 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:29.399 Don't own me and you don't own my brand. Right. So, uh, 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:29.920 that's the thing. 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.440 And you just got to be very careful with business 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.200 and with who you do business with. You cannot trust everybody. 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.160 You cannot trust everybody. 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.040 Okay, you hurt no matter. 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.359 What they say, no matter what they say, no matter what, 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.160 no matter what color, either, no. 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.040 Matter they can look like you or not. But you 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:50.600 cannot trust everybody. 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.360 I get, Okay, you're doing doing spices. I get everything 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.440 you make your spices, most spices are created. But how 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.400 do you get in teld you with a lab to 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.719 try to do a haircare line product that all of 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.000 a sudden people ain't looking like Kojak, women ain't looking 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.279 like Kojak because that's the last thing that you want. 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.640 I mean, you won't believe this because it's another job. 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.200 It's not on their ice working contract manufacturing. 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:13.440 Right. 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:19.399 So I know you born in Jamaicon you you born 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.960 a jam You had no way you got detailed twelve jobs. 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:27.400 I did that for like five years. It was for 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:29.800 you know, wellness and beauty products. 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:30.200 Wow. 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:31.239 And so I already knew that. 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.239 So you had a background. You had a background, and 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:34.960 so you understood. 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.279 I understood it. I understood the lab. 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.759 I understood you know, testing, I understood formulation, I understood 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.280 shipping and all that stuff. 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:41.879 Wow. 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.160 You know, Master P is always preaching about product. So 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.399 what do you what do you love? Because it's like, 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.040 you gotta make money while you sleep. You cannot meant 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.160 you got to get your rest and you can't cook 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.400 twenty four hours a day and you can't make beauty 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.480 supplies twenty four hours a day. So what is what 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.480 is Tabatha most proud of? What she's been able toccomplished 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:00.759 thus far. 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.040 Oh, I think the thing I'm most proud of is 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.879 that I've done it all just being me. That's that's 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:12.359 my biggest accomplishment, never conforming in the season of my life, right, 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.040 you know, I think I really that's it, you know. 0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.879 And also family is the most important thing to me, yes, 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.680 you know, being a wife and being a mother and 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:27.279 never sacrificing anything over there, like that's I'm most proud 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:27.480 of that. 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.160 Being an next professional athlete, I felt that I had 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.520 to sacrifice, that I missed a lot of things with 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.760 my kids that I probably shouldn't have, but I felt 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.520 that if I didn't, I would always look back and 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.359 say that if I'd didn't, if i'd have studied, if 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.000 I'd have worked hard, if I had have trained harder, 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:45.840 I'd have missed something. 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.320 It seems to me that You've done. 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.480 A great job of not only being there for your 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.319 husband and for your kids, but also being able to 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.239 go full steam ahead and accomplish Was that a big 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.640 part of what you want? Like, I'm not sacrificing any 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:05.440 part of my family to make one extra dollar for me. 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.440 I'm blessed because I have a husband who's my partner, 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.880 who literally says, babe, go I got it, you know, 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.160 And I have that. So when I leave, I know 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.560 that my children are taking care of the now. 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:17.680 We only have my son in the house. 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.759 You know, my daughter is grown now, but I know 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.400 I have a safe space for my son and he 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:24.680 knows that mommy is working. 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.080 But when it comes to major things, I'm not missing it, right. 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:29.319 I don't care how much money it is. 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.480 If my son is about to graduate fifth grade, and 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:32.640 I looked at the calendar and it was like what 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:34.239 y'all put on my calendar on this day? 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:38.319 I can't go wow, Like, no, it's this amount of money. 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.000 I don't care. He gonna graduate one time from fifth grade. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.040 I can make money any day, right, So it's those 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.800 major things that are important to me and my husband 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.359 take Like, I also still am human, so I'll even 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.000 have parent guilt where I'm like, I miss being able 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:54.960 to take him to school every day. We literally was 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.600 just having this conversation. I miss the normalcy that I 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.000 used to be able to do. I used to take myself, 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.120 my son, and my daughter to school every morning, pick 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.879 them up, make their lunches, cook dinner every day. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.200 That was my life for a very long time. 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.719 But you understood that that's part of the sacrifice, that 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.120 those are some of the things that you're gonna have 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.600 to give up in order to accomplish what god di 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.840 vision that God gave you and set you out on 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:17.960 this journey. You understood that there were some of the 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:18.960 things You're gonna have to give up. 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.600 I'm understanding it every day, right. It doesn't mean I 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.160 enjoyed that feeling every day. Sometime I miss it, But 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.160 I also look at my life and how blessed I am, 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.280 and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm still doing a different 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.760 type of work that my family is reaping the benefit. 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.360 You secured over fifty six major brand deal, Dunk and Donuts, Cybro, 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:37.520 Pizza Plan. 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.080 I mean, you just have so much going on. 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:45.319 So how does Tabitha walk into a room you know 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.200 your worth you know, they want to come in and 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.080 give you twenty five percent of what your worth is. 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.319 So how do you go in the room says now 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.399 it's worth more than that. I still be Yeah, I'm 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:59.320 not gonna be able to do that. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.000 What I say, I'll be letting them get everything out. 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.600 I'm like, this is so, this is nice. Thank y'all 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.000 for letting me come. But you know where it's gonna 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.120 be aenough for me? I'm so grateful for. 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.120 Yes, I appreciate the opportunity. 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.600 Yes, thank you for thinking of tails. Yeah, but no, 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.200 yeah it's a tail. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.440 Yeah. So then they come back and say it's okay. 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.160 So Ms Brown, how do how do we make this 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.440 partnership work? Well, we start by this what you say 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.000 at the beginning, That about how it's gonna go. 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.080 You know, for me, depending on what it is, Sometimes 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:36.120 it ain't about the money, right. Sometimes it's just about 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.880 whatever it is. I'm like, this don't serve me right. 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.920 There's no amount of money that's gonna make it serve 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:44.080 me right. And then when it comes to the money, 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.200 this is the thing that you always have to realize, 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.480 there's no amount of money enough for what I deserve. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:54.000 It's only like, I'm priceless, right, Okay, okay, it's what 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.600 I will accept. Oh right, there's no amount of money 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.319 you can offer me that. It's what I'm worth. 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:00.520 I'm worth. 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.640 I am priceless, but there's an amount that i'll accept 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.000 to partner with you and work with you. 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.640 That's the difference. And so I just have to make 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:08.920 a decision do I want that or not. 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.120 I'm gonna keep that in mind. 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.879 I'm priceless, you are priceless, but. 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.680 For a nominal fee, I'll be read in the partner. 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:18.960 With That's it? 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:19.600 Like that? 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.680 Yeah, So that's your that's that's your mindset going into it. 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.200 You do you have a do you have a normally 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:26.600 when you go into a deal, do you have a 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:30.040 dollar amount? Do you have a Have you surprised yourself 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.280 with some of the things that you've been able to negotiate? 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:37.799 Oh? Absolutely, Yeah, you know, I definitely. 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.640 I remember, like one of the first times of asketball 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.120 a crazy amount of money just to see what they 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:48.439 was gonna say. And then when they said yes, I said, yeah, 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:50.400 that's that your husband. 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.000 Are No he would have been like yeah, I was. 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.279 I was good with that. Shoot, but we're gonna go 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.319 on and take but you know next time, you know so. 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:05.719 But yeah, you hosted a vegan competition, so you only 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.960 eat vegan. You have to sold you how much of 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.000 your time is sitting around trying to come up with 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.880 different vegan recipes because, like you say, you cooked so much. 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:15.879 But you have to understand. 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.200 Because people, most people have eating meat all their life, 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.799 and to get them to try this and to make 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.279 them like it, because that's the thing. People eat what 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.560 they like, that's right, And so how do you like? Okay, 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.879 you just go in the kitchen, like, babe, I'm gonna 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:30.319 go in the kitchen. I'm gonna see what I can 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.680 come up with. Tonight, I'm gonna see what I can 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:32.960 come up with the day. Is that how you do it? 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.239 It just come up it literally throughout the day. 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:36.680 If I got a taste for something, that's what I'm 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.320 gonna make, okay, right, And sometimes I'll dream a recipe. 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.160 One of my most successful recipes is when I dreamt 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:43.799 and I woke up the morning, did a video and said, yeah, 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:44.880 let me say about the dream I had. 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.840 It was a vegan devil the eggs, and in the dream. 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.600 I was like, but with eggs, but they're real eggs right. 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:52.560 Now, they're mushrooms. 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.840 I took the white mushrooms because I did this in 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:57.160 the dream and I was like, I don't know, but 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.359 I'm gonna see if it's gonna. 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.920 So you so you can't eat the animal product. 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:01.799 I do not know. 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:07.600 Yeah, I'm with you. I want you little she got 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:08.960 to go on this journey alone. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:10.759 I don't. I don't you know. 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.439 When I first did it, I did it to save 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:17.000 my life, right and now after six years of being vegan, 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.320 it becomes a thought where I now connect the animals 0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:23.480 to the food. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, Now I ain't 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.839 gonna lie to you though I still miss a crab leg. 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.320 Do you you know how people count? She crab legs? 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.640 In my sleep, I'll be telling people, you know, during 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.640 the day when I'm awake, I'm vegan, but when I'm 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.280 sleeping pescatary because I be eating crab legs and dreams. 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:37.120 What about ice cream? 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:38.920 You don't, I mean, you don't miss sweets, so like 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:40.120 like cake and cookie? 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.359 Do you all that stuff? You still can eat. 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.520 You just don't use real eggs, and you don't use 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:50.160 there's vegan butter, there's vegan milk, there's all this stuff. Honey, 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:51.680 I can You're gonna have to come to the house 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.560 and eat okay, but I don't bake. I'm not a baker, 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.120 and I was already allergic to milk. 0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.040 Like most of the yeah, most of the yeah, yeah, 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.600 I keep If I think I'm gonna eat something that 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:01.719 has there it, I'm gonna take. 0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:02.439 Keep black tape. 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:03.720 Say that again. 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:05.920 If I think I'm gonna eat something there, I keep 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:06.759 lac tape with me. 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:10.560 Why we do that cause I like iron creams sometimes 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.080 and I want to eat some cheese if I. 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:12.719 Wanted some cheese. 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:14.680 But why do you have to keep the lac tape? 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.200 Because what happens my stummach that it don't agree with 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:21.560 my stomach, but know why, but it'll agree with me time. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.120 I'll tell my stomach shut up, I'm gonna eat this. 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.160 But there are other options for you so that you 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.399 could still get all the tastes that you're looking for 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:29.600 without the bubble. 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.560 Good well, Hollywood, and now we did have some bigger 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:33.200 We have some bigger barbecue. 0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.319 Then with Hollywood, Hollywood tore it up. He tore it up. 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.680 There are options. I'm to get you on some old 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.960 ice cream or some cashew ice cream. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:46.160 It's amazing, Hollywood. You down, I'm telling you, it's very good. 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.200 I would let Hollywood go be the guinea pig hood. 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.320 You had a restaurant, but you never opened it. 0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:53.319 We closed it. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.239 Yeah, it was too many problems with the building, the 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.760 landlord another thing where I say, you can't trust everybody. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:01.400 Or we had to close it down because it was 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.720 just too much damage that he would not fix. 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:09.600 Right, So is opening another restaurant? Is that something that 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:10.319 you would like to do? 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.719 I think if I do, because that was a partnership 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.759 that I partner, would kill my name, kill my name. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:15.600 I love the restaurant. 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.240 It's still open in Chicago, and so I just partner 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.080 with him to open that one here in la If 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.359 I do it again, it has to be my restaurant, right. 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:29.360 Obviously, But are you Is it going to be like breakfast, 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.080 It's gonna be lunch, It's gonna be brun Oh. 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.400 H you know, I gotta I have to make a 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.800 decision to do it first. I think my the big 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.080 vision that I have would be like a retreat. And 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.080 on the location of the retreat, like you know in 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.719 oasis or where you can come, there would be kind 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:47.960 of like a bed and breakfast there, but like a 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:49.920 homehouse where you can come for breakfast and you can 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:50.960 come for dinner type of thing. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.920 But that's like a vision that I have for later. 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.640 Have a company ever tried to change the way you 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:57.280 do content? 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:01.560 Oh yeah, even after when after the success that they've 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:06.360 seen you enjoy, they're still willing to try to change 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:08.400 what you do how you do it. 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.680 Yes, but people are crazy in the world. 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.800 But they don't but they know what they. 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:23.040 They love you and then they say, we love exactly 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:23.600 what you do. 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.280 Now we want to show you this video. 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.000 And then they play the video and people don't look 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:29.640 like me, and they say, if you could do it 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:30.400 a little bit. 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:35.600 Like this, No, there you go. Yeah, yeah, it's not 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:36.000 for me. 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:37.680 Do people when they look at you? 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.160 I think the thing is and sometimes people are all 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.400 saying is that people take kindness for weakness. You have 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.560 a smile all the time. You seem to be a 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:49.520 very outgoing and very personable person. Do you think people 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.920 take that as a weakness and try to try to 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.400 get over on you all the time. 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:58.160 But I'm very smart, but they will try it and 0:49:58.239 --> 0:49:59.080 I let them. 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.200 I like the do you get up does she I 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:03.960 would ask him, I was asking me to do you 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:04.520 get upset? 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:05.279 Yes? 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.319 But how do you? But but you all. 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.319 I'm saying, it's like, guys, y'all know I'm not gonna 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:10.479 be able to do that right. 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:13.520 Well, you know, it takes a lot to get me 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:14.120 up right. 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.160 Okay, Most times when it comes to like that type 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.080 of stuff, it's not gonna upset me. It's just a 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:23.719 matter of, Oh, I'm so sorry that you didn't see 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:24.239 me for me. 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.000 But you know what, I hope you found what you're 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.200 looking for, right, right, But that's not something that. 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.280 That's not that doesn't get you upset. 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.320 Things upset me is when you mess with my family, 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:37.640 you mess with my money and my time, right because 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:41.120 I use all those things for my family and for myself. 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.719 So how is it that, I mean, this is a 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.120 you know, and content creators. What you do, what you do, 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.759 there's a very large there's a space for it, but 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:55.040 it's a limited people that's in that space. How is it? 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.520 Are you guys friendly? Are you receptive to one another? 0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:58.560 Is it cutthroat? 0:50:59.239 --> 0:50:59.439 Oh? 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:04.839 And I love everybody. That's enough room for everybody, right, 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:06.680 So I never compared myself to anybody. 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.320 I don't really care what nobody else do. I applaud everybody, right, 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:11.799 we all did. 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.719 So since they print money, we shouldn't try to cut, 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.160 backstab and undermind somebody else to get to keep. 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.319 God asked for me is for me. What He has 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:21.840 for you is for you. There's nothing we can do 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:22.360 to stop that. 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:27.560 So what God is saying for for me? Even Hollywood? 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:33.600 You heard that, Hollywood, You heard that, Hollywood. So but 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.640 you know, I'm not gonna break this is not interrupt 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.960 the normal schedule programming. 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.920 We know vegan. When we hear vegan, we think of 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.680 someone that doesn't look like you. 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:44.399 Oh yeah. 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.879 When I listened back in the day, and I said 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.080 this many times. When I used to hear the word vegan, 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.000 I thought that it was for white women who did yoga, 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:57.440 right I did, and nobody was really vegan. 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.760 I heard a vegetarian right right, right, right right. 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.040 And then I thought, well, if that's not the case, 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.680 it's the people who walk around picketing, you know, and 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:07.759 they were in the you know, the blood all over 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.640 them and doing the type of activist and I didn't 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.279 want to do that. And so I knew that when 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:17.279 I made the decision to become vegan. I wanted to 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:20.120 be a source of a different type of life, and 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.479 so I always wanted to be approachable, and I wanted 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.319 people to be curious and to want to try it, 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.600 and so I did it with love and laughter and 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.880 a little bit of comedy but informative. So I have 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.480 probably converted I can, of course, can't you eat a 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.960 number but more people than any you know, traditional activists, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:43.440 more people than you can imagine coming to miss I'm 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:46.200 vegan because of you. I eat plant based me and 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.080 my family eat plant based now because of you. And 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.719 I'm like that I've never told anybody in the last 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.319 six years. I've never told not one person you need 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:53.920 to go vegan. 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:54.680 Never. 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:57.120 So how do you So when you're home, do you 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.400 cook vegan for you and cook him bacon? 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:03.360 I used to when when I first went begin that 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.200 first year, I was cooking like them two meals and 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.839 I was like, I can't keep doing that. So then 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:11.040 I just figured out how to make all our favorite 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.360 things vegan and make it good. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:15.040 And everybody loved it. 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.719 So all my favorite non vegan things, I turned them 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:18.719 into vegan meals. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:20.000 So he got to go out. 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.239 So you got to go out and get it if 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:22.960 you want a steak, or if you want to burgers 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:23.319 or chicken. 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.520 But he don't eat that. He's chicken and fish, but 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:27.239 he can order it or. 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.719 You. Yeah. 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:36.560 So I'm looking at athletes have turned big and Chris Paul, Kyrie, Irving, Venus, 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:42.680 William Lizzo. So I'm trying to figure out, man, how 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:46.280 would I be able to keep my musculature and stay 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:47.160 you know strong? 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:50.080 You ever seen a gorilla? 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:51.239 Yeah? 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:52.680 What you think they eat? 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:58.320 They you grassed, but the four hundred pounds of it. 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:05.719 But I think in the beginning had but that's all 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:09.000 they eat. I think the thing is if who had 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.200 never gotten to taste, it's hard to miss what you've 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:12.840 never tasted. 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:15.719 Well, yes and no. 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:21.400 I think that you have to have a very specific why. 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:21.719 Right. 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.400 Eventually you're not gonna do dairy anymore because you're not 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:26.879 gonna like how it continues to. 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:32.279 Make you feel. Okay, if meat was killing me, i'd 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:33.360 be crazy to keep eating. 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:34.719 That is correct, right. 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.200 So a lot of times we are reactive people. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:41.200 We do things out of something happening, so we react 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:43.400 to it instead of being proactive practice. 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:43.799 We wait. 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.360 Many times we wait until we get sick before we 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.920 try to get better, right, instead of just saying, let 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.640 me be proactively trying to make sure I'm as healthy 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.719 as I can be. And so when it comes to 0:54:55.760 --> 0:55:00.280 me my why was life or death? I chose life. 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.120 And then I also got it in my mind. I 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.160 was like, I just don't want to eat dead animals anymore. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.440 I just don't like the thought of it anymore. Right, 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.040 I don't even like the smell of it. When it's raw. 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.440 It turns my stomach. Now, I ain't gonna lie to 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:13.800 you how I can smell a cook out of my 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:18.640 way and be like, Lord, have mercy, somebody is cooking. 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.720 But you know, that's the difference in not thinking about 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:25.520 what you see. But there's there's definitely a way to 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.800 incorporate it and form new habits, right, And I always 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:31.040 tell people this to don't look at it as though 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.799 you're taking something away from yourself. Look at it as though, oh, 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:35.160 I'm giving myself something new to try. 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.080 Right, I'm gaining six months, six years to my life. 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.759 Maybe that's the way you look at it. That's the 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.440 way because you said you had had you let me 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:47.000 ask you this, had you not had the autoimmune. Had 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:48.960 you not had the headache for a year and seven months, 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.640 had you not had the lethargy, would you do you 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:53.760 believe you to go on vegan? 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:57.880 No, I didn't have a reason right, not necessarily, but 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.600 I may have eventually only because oh I heard vegans 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:03.120 be skinny. 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:07.600 But then I got vegan and got pig because now 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.040 their lives, because now I be eating and eating right. 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.440 And also I don't eat to look a certain way. 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:14.720 I used to starve myself. 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:16.640 But let me ask you a question, could you do 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:18.879 you believe you can be a vegan in rural North 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:21.360 Carolina because a lot of it, because it gets hard 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.719 because you in California, you have a lot of options. 0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:29.040 In carol and in Canada you don't have those same options, 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:33.600 especially in rural South Carolina, Georgia or the rural parts 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:34.120 of the South. 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:36.840 I could be a better vegan in rural North Carolina 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:38.080 really because. 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:39.719 You grow your food right. 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:44.600 Most of our you know, parents and grandparents were mostly vegan. 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:46.319 Yeah, they ate what they grew, They ate. 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.520 What they grew, and meat was a delicacy. They only 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.520 had it on the weekend. Yes, my daddy was one 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.680 of twelve My daddy always, he said, you know, until 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.360 you became BigGAN, I never thought about it. 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.920 But we only ate chicken on Sundays, he said, we 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.160 only ate pento beans and from the. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:05.759 Green during the week. Right, Well, you know we have 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.759 some We know we have fat back in green though. 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:10.520 You know we had a fat back. We had to 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:11.400 have a fat bathroom. 0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:14.640 That's all there, y'all had. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.360 That was special occasion. Though you did, you didn't, You didn't. 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.479 Get it all the time yet absolutely, you. 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.560 Know what, I think this is the part of the show. 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:24.560 We probably should invite your husband. 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:29.960 Bring them on in the room. 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:36.160 You sit right there. 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:38.120 Yeah, and no backs right there now. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.120 Yeah, you're not gonna be You're not gonna be able 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:40.520 to leave back. 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.800 I'm sorry. They stay behind Every great man is a 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:47.160 great woman. But I think behind every great woman that's 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.040 like your wife, that has to be a great man 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.400 because you have to be secure enough in yourself because 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:55.520 you kind of become the afterthought. 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.920 And you seem to be very very okay with that. 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.400 You guys have been together over twenty five years, been 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.480 together for twenty years when. 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:07.680 You started dating her, did you see y'all here? 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:19.000 Absolutely not? You know what it had, I didn't really 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:24.800 have much vision. People always ask me about it, you know, 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:29.560 very similar questions, and I always say I wouldn't with 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:32.680 her for that, right. I was with tab because of 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:36.640 how she made me feel right, right, And yes, I 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:43.520 thought she was a little crazy. I was attracted to crazy. Yeah, 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.920 that's the difference, a right. So I'm with her because 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:51.320 of my attraction to that crazy. When she would. 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:51.480 Tell me. 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.760 One day, I'm gonna be on TV one day, you 0:58:55.760 --> 0:59:00.760 know whatever, I would get tickled. I would tackle because 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:04.160 I can look in her eyes and you really believe this, right, 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.560 And it made her happy. It made her really really happy, 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:14.440 a happiness that I kind of I wish that I 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:17.040 could tap into from my own childhood. And I remember, 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.120 I remember feeling like what I've seen in her eyes, 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:22.919 and I'm saying, man, at some point in my life, 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.040 I lost that while you're a true believer of what 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:29.520 you're saying. So whatever it was, I was like, I 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:33.760 didn't really try to believe it. I just wanted to 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.640 keep her happy and say, all right, man, let's go 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:38.840 for yo, as long as it's not hurting us. 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.680 Even though you might have not believed in it. 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:44.480 You never told her that You're like, baby, that sounds 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:45.560 like a good idea. 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:46.720 I think you can do it. 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.520 Yep, I would, I would, And then it would be 0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:51.920 times where I'd be like, all right, dam wait a minute, 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.880 hold up. Like the story she told you about moving, 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:59.880 I'm always up to thinking. My thinking was what a 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.800 we currently doing right? 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:02.640 Right? 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.640 Can it hurt us? Can your vision or this dream 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:07.640 or this thing that you believe in? Can it hurt us? 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:11.160 If we ain't currently doing anything better? And what you're 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:15.840 saying can't hurt us, Let's try it. Let's go for it, 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:17.960 right right, It's not gonna hurt us. So let's put 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:19.680 a plan together. As long as we got a plan 1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.280 and we got each other and ain't nothing else going on, 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:24.920 let's go do it. Let's try it. 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:29.960 You guys started dating, if you could say, the eighth 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.400 grade is dating in the eighth grade, when you. 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:37.360 Saw him for the very first time, what did you think? 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:38.160 Oh? 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:40.520 I saw him way before eighth grade. We known each 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:44.000 other since about what fifth grade? And so I thought 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:46.000 it was cute with his little curly hair and stuff. 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.480 But he was mean, That's what I thought he was. 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:52.760 I was like, Oh, he got a little attitude. 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:53.800 Okay, you like I'm it. 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:54.280 Yeah. 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:58.080 But then in eighth grade, you know, he was playing 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:01.560 football and I was the football manager. 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:07.520 You know, I had a job in eighth grade, Damp, 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:10.680 and so when we would. 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:13.840 Do the bus rides, I just would be looking at 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.480 him like, you know, the eye contacted. 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.200 I was like kind of like him. 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:18.800 You know. 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:22.560 Did you know she liked you? Yeah? 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:26.280 I was kind of popular back the father. That's the man. 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.280 You okay, you a popping man. I was a man. 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:32.560 He was. He was a mad everybody like chance. Okay. 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:36.360 He had a girlfriend though what and I had a 1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:37.040 little boyfriend. 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:38.720 Okay, okay, okay, get good. 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:42.000 We went to we went to a birthday part. 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:46.840 Uh, y'all came separate, left together, came separate, and we 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:48.680 ended up kissing at the birthday. 1:01:49.960 --> 1:02:01.080 Damp, Damp, Come on, Chances. We had a minute that 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:02.840 a minute. I'm talking about you. 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:07.480 You came for somebody and y'all because he didn't want her, 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:08.120 no way he did. 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:09.720 It seemed like you want. 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.240 Thrill was gone in those eighth grade relationships. 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:15.960 This was the thing the eighth grade dance. 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:18.360 Listen, but this is the funny thing. 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.240 His girlfriend was happy he broke up because she likes 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:24.440 somebody else to My boyfriend was a little hurt. 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:24.840 But. 1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:27.560 Look junior high crush. 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:29.640 Yeah, but she is. 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.320 You know, he was a man back bed. But you 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:34.280 know I broke up with him in eighth grade. 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.600 Hold on, you kids, break up with his girlfriend. 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:43.480 He's still he's still all these years, he still hold on. 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:49.440 To this my whole life, almost all the eighth grade. 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:51.560 But my sister, she older than me, she's six years old, 1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:52.880 and she said, listen, you about to go to ninth 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:53.840 grade to the high school. 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:55.360 Yes, a lot of boys over there. You don't want 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:56.120 a little boyfriend. 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:58.080 So I told him, I said, listen, we gotta break 1:02:58.120 --> 1:02:59.720 up because my sister says, a lot of boys over 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.120 it high school. I got to see what's out there. 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.120 And so he hated me for breaking up. That's why, 1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:07.640 you know in high school he wouldn't even speak to me. 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:10.240 But that's how I ended up. I have a stepdaughter 1:03:10.240 --> 1:03:11.600 because he had a baby in high school. 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:13.760 So I always tell him to see, I'll let you 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:15.800 go and now see if I. 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:17.520 Had a we had to say together, that's a great 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:18.360 way to transition. 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:21.440 I remember I read an interview where you told your 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.080 mom you would never marry You would never date a man, 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:26.720 let alone marry a man with a child. 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:27.440 Very true. 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:29.800 What changed? 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:31.440 I was fifteen. 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.000 We were at a basketball game at high school and 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.680 I remember he couldn't stand me, right, and so uh 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:39.080 at the game, you my mom would sit on the 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.280 bleachers and he walked up and he was standing on 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:43.360 the corner of the wall with his girlfriend. 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:47.160 They all day, you did perfect. You want to understand 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:48.960 you you got your little kids. 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:51.560 Yeah, I wouldn't have to be honest with you. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:53.480 I wouldn't even think about her when told when she 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:57.360 told me the story, yeah, years later, I remember it right, 1:03:57.800 --> 1:03:58.840 I wouldn't think of about it. 1:03:58.920 --> 1:04:00.640 And I looked and I just I like rolled my 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:03.400 eyes like, m you know whatever. And my mama was like, 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:05.000 I don't know why you're doing that. I was like, 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:06.760 she was like, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.000 She said, that little girl gonna get pregnant and they're 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:11.600 gonna have a baby. But that's your husband. I said, oh, well, 1:04:11.640 --> 1:04:14.600 you gonna know me because I would never marry men 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:16.960 with kids. That's what I'm supposed to think at fifteen, right, 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:21.880 And so Mama was right. She was right on graduation day. 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:25.200 Years later, on graduation day, my mama came. 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:26.920 To me and she said, go get chance. 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:28.840 I want y'all to have a picture with y'all was 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:30.320 Captain gown I'm gonna used to sitt y'all with. 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:32.640 And I said, would you stop? Why would you say 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:33.400 something weird like that? 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:33.560 That? 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.800 My mother loves my biggest fan. She loved Chanes. Yeah, 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:37.880 she was my biggest fan. 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:38.880 And she used that picture that. 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:40.360 I went, yeah, and she was gifted too. 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:41.160 Wow. 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:45.800 Yeah, your mom saw something that you didn't see at 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:46.240 the time. 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.120 You had like you'd have broke over me. You ain't 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:51.000 want me. So yeah, you did your thing. 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:54.240 And here all these years fifth grade, So your fifth 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.680 grade you're probably what eleven years old, twelve years old? 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:58.680 Yeah, all that time. You guys. 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:03.040 From the same hometown. Yeah, the same small small city. 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:06.320 But I would see him in high school. I would 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.160 always have this like little pain in my stomach when 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:08.720 I would see him. 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:09.920 It was like a feeling. 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:15.439 I always tell us guilt. He said, it was, Yeah, 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:17.280 that's guilt, That's. 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:17.640 What that is. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:20.760 But I went to college and in Miami. He went 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:23.200 to college in North Carolina, and so I was there 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:25.440 and one night. I woke up in the middle of 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:27.040 the night. He was the only person I could think about, 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.320 and I was like, just thinking about all the years 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:30.640 that I would see him, and I had this pain 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:33.000 in my stomach. And we had kind of became friends 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:35.720 again in our senior year, and I just had this 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:38.000 thought of, like, I think I'm in love with him. 1:05:38.680 --> 1:05:40.400 And so I found his number in the middle of 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:41.720 the night. By the time I called him, it was 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:43.800 about three thirty four in the morning, and I called 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:45.120 his kept calling the room. 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:46.360 His roommate answered. 1:05:46.360 --> 1:05:47.560 I was like, I need to beat the chance brows 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.520 and emergency. And so when he got on the phone, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.840 I was like, I know this might sound crazy. I 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.400 was like, but I think I'm in love with you. 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:55.760 I was like, So I just told him. I was like, 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.080 all these years I would see you, and I would 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:01.480 have this pain in my stomach. I was like, I'm 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:04.520 thinking about all these different things, and if you don't 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:08.160 think I'm crazy coming back to Marge's number, he ain't 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:10.440 say nothing on the phone, and then I. 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:13.720 I had to start out a little bit. 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:17.600 I waited all day. 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:24.600 A little bit. But yeah, but obviously you had felt 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:27.360 the exact same way. Yeah, you know. 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.120 The crazy thing is I held on to it my 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:38.680 entire high school school years, right, And I would see her, 1:06:39.520 --> 1:06:42.080 I see her in passing, and it was always something 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:46.920 about this one particular girl who always she's always been 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:50.920 full of joy like and it was a feeling that 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:54.000 that I always say that only my mom could give 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:56.560 me like it make me feel like I can do anything. 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:00.360 That's what I remember about the entire time. Now, I 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:02.800 didn't start living a whole different life. I'm in college 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:06.240 and went through high school playing sports popular by my 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:10.400 own means, right, and nobody could ever make me feel 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:13.520 like that besides my mam and this one particular girl. 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:20.960 And this was now after a few incidents. But I 1:07:21.120 --> 1:07:23.280 like to say, you know things that where a lot 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:25.080 of people had kind of started looking at me as 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:28.560 being problematic. Right, So you got somebody who still got 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:33.240 no no marks on their record, got their whole life 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.560 ahead of them, right, and she still admiring your boy. 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:41.280 And I'm like, man, this girl still got that little 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:43.480 bit of crazy in her that I just I can't kick. 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:46.120 It's crazy for you to call me after four years 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:48.280 in the middle of the night and say what you 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:50.360 said on the phone to me. That was crazy, but 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:52.280 I was attracted to it. I was like, man, this 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:57.040 girl still this girl weird. But I can't kick it. 1:07:57.520 --> 1:08:01.200 I'm a caller. So I called it, hey, and so 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:06.040 would you call the phone? Damn chaying what did you say? 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:10.919 First? She had a she had a roommate that didn't 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:14.200 speak English. She was in Miami and I called her 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:18.599 and I just remember the roommate answer in the phone, 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:20.880 and I'm trying to say her name like she and 1:08:20.920 --> 1:08:23.680 I'm like making like this, this can't be. I got 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:26.479 the number wrong, and she I could tell when she 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.559 grabbed the phone. She got on the phone excited. 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:31.680 I had been waiting by the year all day on that. 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:33.000 But you we were gonna call it. 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:36.320 Yeah, So when she got on the phone, I just 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:37.960 I kept it. I tried to keep it. 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:39.000 You try to keep it g D. 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:42.559 I tried to guy's like, hey, you called me, Yeah, 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:44.439 say did you. 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:46.640 Really call me at four o'clock in the morning. I 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:47.719 was like, yep. 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:49.600 And I ain't want to be jumping out there, so 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:52.040 I just let her do the most, you know. But 1:08:52.160 --> 1:08:55.040 in my head, I'm like I had told my homeboys 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:57.519 that in college. I was like I had one friend 1:08:57.600 --> 1:08:58.840 who I can always. 1:08:58.479 --> 1:08:59.240 You know that one friend. 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:01.880 Yeah, So I'm telling him all the reasons why. 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:02.559 The whole day. 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:04.439 I'm like, man, this girl call me. I'm about trying 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.559 to live my life, and now you want to come 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:08.679 and get your boy back. I'm bating like I'm somebody. 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:13.439 He was, and he waited and he waited. 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:14.320 My boy tied. 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:15.240 I love him to this day. 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:15.519 Man. 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:19.880 He said, you scared, fool man, You're gonna call her? 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:20.200 You know. 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.639 I'm like, Nah, I ain't gonna call her. I waited 1:09:23.760 --> 1:09:25.439 till the end of the day, the end of the day, 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:29.400 and I called her, you know, and I knew I 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:31.040 was you know what I mean, Like it was just 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:34.040 one of those where I was like, I don't want 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:35.960 to be this dude. You know that ego thing right 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:36.960 right right right? 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:38.200 I called her. 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:42.160 I called her, and here we are twenty five years later. 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:47.640 Yeah, is marriage everything you thought it would be? 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:48.519 You too thought it would be. 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.519 It is nothing that we thought it would be. 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:54.800 Is that good? Or Man? 1:09:55.040 --> 1:09:59.759 It's good because you guys make it sound so perfect. 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.800 But there has to be some disagreements at some point? 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:10.840 What what about the fairy tale? For feel grade and 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:14.799 I hertale no, no, no, See, don't. 1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:18.920 Be confused about okay, marriage, See what you know what, 1:10:19.120 --> 1:10:20.760 I didn't come from a house. I didn't come from 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:23.639 a family of marriage, But I ain't have no understanding 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:27.000 of what marriage was. Right, her parents were married and 1:10:27.200 --> 1:10:32.560 you know, church going, you know that, you know, so 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:34.680 I didn't have an understanding of what marriage was. So 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:37.400 when you asked a question, I'm like, I had this 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:44.920 ridiculous idea. This really just male perspective of what marriage is. 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:47.760 I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna have this. It's gonna 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.200 I ain't gotta be out here chasing this because it's 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:54.160 at the house. That was really in simple what it was, 1:10:55.120 --> 1:11:01.280 but as we uh, as we grew together, it became 1:11:01.400 --> 1:11:05.560 something completely different. It became you know that, that's my 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.800 best friend. You know, that's that that's that unconditional thing, 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:11.680 that's that thing to where even when I'm in I'm 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:13.960 not ready to hear what she's saying, I got to 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:18.120 revisit it. And now it's a possibility that she could 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:20.600 be right. This is the one, this is this is 1:11:20.680 --> 1:11:23.719 the person, the one person on this earth, even outside 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:25.760 of my mom. Right now, my mom, I'm always right, 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:28.439 I'm a baby feel but this is the one person 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:33.360 that's gonna that has no interest in trying to backdoor 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:37.519 me or get one over on me. I gotta consider it. 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.240 And that's invaluable, you know what I mean. That's you know, 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.439 so I started to learn what marriage truly is. And 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:46.920 also in the aspect of it's it's like a fortune 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:49.080 five hundred company, you know what I mean. It's that 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.599 thing to where you say, look, if you don't take 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:54.479 pride in anything else, you should be able to take 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:58.680 pride in this companion that is building your legacy, you know, 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:00.640 where your kids will be able to a lot of 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:02.640 people don't have. Like I'm listening to your interview with 1:12:02.680 --> 1:12:06.320 my wife, right, and you asked her a question, what's 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:07.760 the one thing that you're most proud of? 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:08.160 Right? 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:11.600 I knew she was gonna say that, right. But what 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:15.559 I value out of all of this that I didn't 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:19.920 have growing up is that my great grandkids will be 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:23.000 able to go and find something with the Brown family 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:26.080 to name on it. They'll be able to say, my 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:30.599 great grandmama, she wrote two books. My great grandma got 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:33.519 nominated for this. My great grandmama is the reason I'm 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:35.720 able to go to this nice school. My great, I 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:38.080 ain't have none of that. Those things right there is 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:41.840 what marriage turned out to be, and more important than 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:45.120 what I thought marriage was about, was you know those 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:50.840 male ego driven dumb things and materialistic things from the South. 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:51.360 I am. 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:54.120 Yeah, the marriage when you got home to meal was 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:58.840 on the table, the wife cook, clean, did all those things, 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:00.160 and what. 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:01.120 The man said. 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:02.840 I don't know how it was in your house, but 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:06.840 what the man said when it wasn't. No, Okay, let's 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:09.120 think about it. Let's talk this through. He said, we 1:13:09.240 --> 1:13:10.920 going to church. We went the church, he said, we 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:14.360 go in here, we going there. But I'm looking at you. 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.840 It really is a fifty to fifty yes, And that's 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.960 what I treasure that the most. I don't have to 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:23.400 carry all that weight. So you know how you started 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:25.720 with me being able to play the back. 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:29.040 Yeah, I have no issue with that. I have no 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:30.440 issue with that because. 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:31.920 Because you but you know a lot of men would 1:13:32.120 --> 1:13:35.439 a lot of men would feel emasculated if their wife 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:39.719 or their significant other because yo, she said, hey, you're 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:40.519 the police officer. 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:42.519 Yeah, she said, set that down. Yep. 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.400 I got a baby, and that's because of that little 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:46.280 bit of crazy right. 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:46.639 Yeah. 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:50.840 So look, so from the very beginning, I'm not lying 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:52.560 to you. Ill could literally come in the house and 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:55.439 tell my wife I wanted to be an astronaut and 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:58.760 the next day she's gonna have a paperwork everything late. 1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:01.800 It's because support. That's the kind of support that I 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.400 got from my wife. Right, I'm order to suit forman 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:08.640 and say, look, she was that kind of crazy, right, 1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:12.320 So I got all of that prior to what the 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:16.280 world see right now. See, they don't know that portion 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.160 of the story, like how she was there supporting me 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:21.000 and making me feel like an outpa male and king. 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:24.759 She didn't treat me like a king for the majority 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:27.000 of our relationship, believing in me. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.720 When I say, even before they knew who Tabitha Brown was. 1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:34.120 So she was treating you like this before she was Hey, 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:38.120 I'm Tabitha Brown all that I just read the. 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:40.439 Other day, believing in me, and I need people to 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:43.479 understand that, believe in when I say, I got us 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:47.599 right and even when I didn't believe in myself, finding 1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:50.599 a way to get me back up into my belief 1:14:50.680 --> 1:14:52.519 system so that I could take care of my family. 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:55.920 So she's been playing second so well that I learned 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:58.560 from her how to do it and what I and 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:00.559 now I need to be a soldier for her. Right, well, 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:03.560 I'm gonna be a soldier for so it's easy for me, 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:11.320 and especially when it's coming like this in abundance. This up, 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:13.639 I'm good. 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:17.719 I read Gabrielle Union. She said her and her husband 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:22.200 split everything fifty to fifty. And I'm listening to you, guys, 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:25.800 and you know, marriage is a is a is a 1:15:26.000 --> 1:15:29.000 personal person thing. What works in their marriage might not 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:31.519 work in this marriage, and it might not work for you, guys. 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:33.240 So what are your thoughts to have Let me get 1:15:33.280 --> 1:15:35.599 you first, what are your thoughts on you guys splitting 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:37.479 things fifty I. 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:40.680 Don't really know about fifty to fifty because it's one 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:42.080 hundred one hundred right, right? 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:44.800 What was mine as his and was his? 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:49.160 Like we when we started our relationship, we had one 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:52.479 bank account one right, we both had a deblocard that 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:58.800 was it was anything in it honey, old draft, the 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:02.479 old draft, thie. But we you know, that's when we 1:16:02.600 --> 1:16:04.880 both we both was working at the costs in it together, right, 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:07.920 So all our money went together, We balanced it together. 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:10.840 We kept a notebook and we would do buildsing the 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:11.880 notebook and we would talk. 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:15.240 About what and I said, our real savings. We only 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:17.400 had that account because it was starting to be a 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:18.960 part of life where you had That's how you butt. 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:21.479 Our real savings was in a Nike shoe box. 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:22.400 Yeah. 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:25.360 So it's always been our money together, right, And now 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:28.400 we have multiple accounts, but we're both still on them all. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.920 So there's no money that he doesn't know about it. 1:16:31.920 --> 1:16:34.519 There's no money I don't know about. We just in 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:35.040 it together. 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:35.880 Wow. 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:42.479 Worked so to see tab because this is not traditional. 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:44.640 This is a different way of doing things. Normally, the 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:47.240 husband goes off the work, the wife stays at home, 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:50.880 takes care of the kids. Okay, boom, Now you have 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:53.840 a very non traditional and you, like you said, you're like, 1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:56.680 I'm cool with it, bro, I'm cool with it. How 1:16:57.920 --> 1:16:59.920 do you because a lot of times it's the home 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:02.080 because they always got something say bad. I can't believe 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.240 you let your your woman take care of you, stopping 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:08.439 all crazy. But because you had known her for so 1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:13.040 long and you guys had been together for so long before, 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:15.200 it didn't even bother. 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:15.560 You did it. 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:19.320 And that's why that's and you just summed it up. 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:24.360 It didn't. There's I only know one other couple like 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:27.639 me and my wife that knew each other so long 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:32.080 and grew up together. So and I really kind of 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:35.840 keep my circle tight, you know, I don't really, Yeah, 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:38.559 I don't really. So I haven't encountered too many people 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:41.200 in my immediate circle. I've had quite a few people, 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:43.800 especially when I moved here to La, to kind of 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:45.840 tell me that we weren't gonna make it, and you know, 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:48.960 all this because it's just impossible. But I'm a country boy. 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:50.439 You ain't seen the city yet. You don't know what 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:53.880 kind of women out here, that type of thing. But 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:58.880 when I came out here, I came out here with 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:04.880 a gold and that goal was for us to make 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:09.439 something out of nothing. Right, So I found my I 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:12.200 just associated with people who were married, other young people 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:14.400 who were married, or other people who were married and 1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:16.720 like minded. And when it started tourn you know, going 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:19.840 left with negative thinking and negative I kind of put 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:22.640 a wedge in there to protect what I got in 1:18:22.720 --> 1:18:23.280 my household. 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.400 Wow, I heard Steve Harvey had like I said. I 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:28.800 had him on. He said, blended family is hard. 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:35.040 How was it you know, your daughter accepting tab and 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:37.960 tab understanding because I think the thing is that you 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:39.880 hear a lot of kids you not my mom, you 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:42.960 not my dad, Like I'm gonna tell your tale of 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:44.080 like I'm your mom or your dad. 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:44.879 You better hunt. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:47.160 Hard. 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:49.599 It's hard, It is definitely hard. 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:53.479 But I don't think it's because of the children, right. 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:57.680 The adults make things hard, right, really absolutely so for me, 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:02.240 I've been Leah's stepped since she was two, so she 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:03.280 don't know nothing else. 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:06.280 Her parents were never together, right, so she never saw that. 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:11.200 So all she knows this and it's always been tailed. 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:13.040 I ain't never like I was a stepmam before I 1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:16.759 was a mother, wow right, I had that role before 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.600 I was a moment so uh, And I always loved it, 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:20.479 you know. 1:19:20.600 --> 1:19:22.439 It was always a fun thing for me, and I 1:19:22.520 --> 1:19:24.280 still do. I mean she's good and grown now. She 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:28.000 about to be twenty eight, so she's grown grown. 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:30.599 But yeah, and it's hard because of just even two 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:34.560 with us moving and separating ourselves. There's a culture in 1:19:34.640 --> 1:19:38.800 North Carolina how you raise kids, right, absolutely in the South, Yeah, 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:41.520 then there's a difference, and we wanted we didn't necessarily 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:44.479 bring everything with us on how we wanted to raise 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:47.600 our kids. To La, but we bought a lot of it. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.559 But there are some indifferences, right, So when those two worlds, 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:54.560 you know, it's like they collide. The adults have a 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:56.040 problem yet you get what I mean. 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.679 So we also learned as we as we were parenting 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:04.240 our children that we had together, we were learning that, 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:06.840 oh wait, just because this is how it was for us, 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:08.519 it's gonna work for our kids, right. 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:10.080 And there was a lot of things I want to 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:10.280 tell you. 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:12.840 You can't discipline your kids like you got this going 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:14.759 to jail, then you're going to jail. 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.560 If it's simplar that you going to jail. 1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:22.479 Right exactly, Like that ain't working. You can't go out 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:23.960 there and get non switch off the palm tree. 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:27.400 Okay, but it was. 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:28.479 It was just different. 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:33.400 And I think also not being in North Carolina, you know, 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:35.679 with my stepdaughter she was still living with her mom 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:39.439 and we were here. Even that was hard, right, But 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:41.800 we made it, of course work the best that we 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:44.599 could because we want a lot of us with no money. 1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:45.559 For a chance. 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:52.520 You're a basketball coach now, mhm, So obviously you like basketball. 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:53.719 So who's your team. 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:55.360 Roll with? 1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:02.760 So always say listen wherever he go, I'm going right, right, 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:04.599 So I don't like the I don't like to claim 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:10.280 teams right. You know, Lebron, My whole team thing went 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:14.720 out literally when Mike retired, and then Lebron came in 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:17.000 and he convinced me that he he was the man 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:20.000 for the job. And then the new wave of how 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.719 how players move and everything. Yeah, yeah, I rote Lebron 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:27.840 and I'm wherever he at. That's where I'm at, a. 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:29.840 Guy that's been in the loser an awful lot lately 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.240 of John Moran. We saw the incidents that he had 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:35.360 with the guns waving maronal Ig live. If he was 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:38.080 your son, what type of advice would you give him? 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:41.280 Because you know, and I tell people this, people don't 1:21:41.320 --> 1:21:44.880 understand this. When the child becomes the provider, it changed 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:50.400 the dynamic in a relationship because you, as a father, 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:53.640 you provide. But once he becomes a professional athlete or 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:56.400 he becomes famous and then he takes over that role, 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:59.719 the roles have not changed. It shouldn't because the dynamic 1:21:59.880 --> 1:22:02.240 is you're the father, he's the son. But when he 1:22:02.360 --> 1:22:04.680 starts paying for the house, then the cardinals, and he 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:08.080 starts paying for everything that you have or the family has, 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:11.280 you kind of treat him differently, even though you. 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:17.160 Should see I think the mistake is in wherever you 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.400 start treating him differently is where you've already messed up. 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:26.759 You've already messed up. I don't think that it's okay 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:28.760 some point the dynamic change with me and my wife 1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:33.240 and no hesitation. When I feel some kind of way, 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:37.120 I'm gonna I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm a man, right, 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:41.519 and I value this relationship and our future more so 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:44.439 than I do anything that this money can do for us. 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:46.680 So if he was my son, to. 1:22:46.760 --> 1:22:52.120 Answer your question, I would really have to sit down 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:53.680 and have a heart to heart with my son and 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:55.840 try to try to find out, man, what is your 1:22:55.880 --> 1:23:02.960 infatuation with guns? And bring him I just I really 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:05.920 don't understand it, right, I need to and I need 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:08.719 to get some kind of understanding of why you feel 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:13.040 the need to one have one to two show it 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:17.439 off to the world, right. Three What is it that 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:21.840 you don't understand about this blessing right that. 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:24.560 Been given to you? 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:27.320 You you worth? I mean, I don't know, but I 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:30.600 imagine he worth about two hundred million dollars, right, And 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:33.120 I would try to probably send some light on him 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:38.000 of what that really means, so he can so because 1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:40.400 it is too. I don't sometimes think that we I 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:42.920 think we make an assumption about the youth and that 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:46.200 they should understand it. I deal with kids, and I'm 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:47.160 the over explainer. 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:48.040 I'm the dude. 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:50.479 I'm the dude that's like, nah, bump that I'm not 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:52.479 doing what y'all a customer are doing and trying to 1:23:52.479 --> 1:23:54.719 explain and get it done in forty five seconds. Because 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:58.960 Instagram and social media has now turned the world into 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:01.640 ninety seconds, let's get it all done. Kids are now 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:08.040 starting to think that's there, that's the expectation of attentiveness, right. 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.240 I'm nah nah, I'm the dude that's like, no, we're 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:15.120 gonna talk until I feel like you got it right. 1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:18.360 So he I don't think that he is of understanding 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:20.840 and taking the type of pride as a young black man, 1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:22.439 strong emphasis on black. 1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:23.280 Man that you are. 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:29.840 You are now responsible for generations. Okay, let's make it personal. 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:31.439 If you don't, if it's not that big of a 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:33.559 deal for you and the kids out in the world 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:36.040 that you don't know personally, let's sit down and I 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:39.759 want you to I want you to really think about 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:43.960 the life that you won't your grandchild have yo now 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:47.240 his child, and then think about how they gonna view 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:49.920 you when they go to Like with my wife, I'm 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:51.680 telling you, that's the most important thing to me. I 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:55.920 love the fact that we can that. At ninety I 1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:58.760 can envision one of my great grandkids coming to me 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:02.200 and saying, yeah, man, Grandma, right there, right there, right there. 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:04.360 They can't lie about it, they can't change it. It's 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:05.080 right here. 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:05.960 We got it. 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.200 And I think that's where I will start. It's trying 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:14.960 to something there because there's a disconnect in the world 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:17.679 of those type of things where it's like we ain't 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:21.240 sending the message home. And that's where I would start 1:25:21.280 --> 1:25:23.600 as a dad, like, look, man, I'm proud of you, 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:25.680 but you need to be proud of yourself. You need 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.599 to you need to own some of this. You need 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.280 to see what this really is. This is and if 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.920 he ain't had a history lesson, he need to get one. 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:35.479 That's where I will start. 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:37.840 I'm gonna get you out of here on this one. 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:45.160 What's your keys to a success in business. 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:49.760 And in manage oh, honesty. 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:51.960 In both. 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:57.120 Right, If I can trust you, we can build amount. 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:01.840 Right If there's trust there. If we're honest, we can 1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:04.400 actually have a conversation. We do all the things that 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:06.160 we need in truth. 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:07.919 Absolutely. 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:12.360 I would just like to add just promoting and encouraging 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:15.479 your partner to be okay with change. I think sometimes 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:19.800 we kind of how how you started out is how 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:23.240 I always want you to be. So I think you should, 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:27.920 you know, encourage change and welcome it and be okay 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:31.040 with it with your partner growing and growing in any direction. 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.600 And I feel threatened by them outgrowing you. 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:36.000 And that's some business city. 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:39.040 Could you, guys, because you grow every day. 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:41.880 Tabitha is different today than she was yesterday, and she'll 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:44.719 be different tomorrow than she was today, and likewise for chance, 1:26:44.960 --> 1:26:46.840 and so you have to be ready to adapt to 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:47.439 that change. 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:52.240 Absolutely, be okay with it, expect it on day one 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:53.880 when you get married, when you say I do, start 1:26:53.960 --> 1:26:57.040 thinking about it like this next week. 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:01.559 All that night. The honeymoon might be a little different 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:02.120 than what you think. 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:05.200 Guys. You guys seem like you guys, have you guys 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:07.519 have so much fun? You seem like you have so 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:11.200 much fun together. Do you guys have been together? 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:12.760 You you can? 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:14.880 I bet you can finish her center, and she can 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:17.240 finish your center because you guys have been together that 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:18.880 long that you know what each other's thinking. 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:22.439 Yeah, yeah, most times. Yeah, and then sometimes she has five. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:29.960 To change. So I did bring you some some things. Okay, 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:33.920 So it's a couple of things, and some of this 1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:35.840 might have to go to some people, okay that you 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:37.360 you know, they're gonna say, she didn't give me that. 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:40.200 Because this is my cookbook. In case you don't want that, 1:27:40.880 --> 1:27:41.160 get you. 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:43.240 Cook book. 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:45.760 It's a big cooking book. This is my first book, 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:47.920 Beating the Soul. So that's all about my life and 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:50.600 my journey. And then this is a working journal that 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:54.640 accompanies that. Okay, all right, and so then so you 1:27:54.680 --> 1:27:57.760 can get in the kitchen. You can get in the 1:27:57.880 --> 1:27:59.360 kitchen with all the seasons and things. 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:01.960 So these are my you went along with the original Sunshine, 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.200 big good Garley, like sweet, like smoking, and these are 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:06.840 all salt free, so I look out for. 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:11.519 These are your saltabe lends. And then well, you got 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:11.960 a name. 1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:14.160 For your hair No, you know, I just got you know, 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:16.120 I'm old school. I mean I had the same haircutsin 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:16.640 seventy two. 1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:18.080 You got a name them, you got a name. 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:19.599 So I got a name, got a name of them. 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:21.960 So this is Donald's recipe. Okay, they get you together 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:23.600 a little, a little thanks, or you can get it 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:25.720 because somebody over there. I feel like her energy is 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:27.640 already you see you see that you. 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:29.920 I think she came here to get She knew you 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:31.679 was gonna break a goodie bag and she can't. 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:32.200 Be taking this from me. 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.000 But this is sweet potato pie, so Donald's best sweet. 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:37.120 So I need a sweet potato pipe because I don't bake, 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:38.320 but Donna does. 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:40.360 So she says she made the desserts for your hair, 1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:42.200 but these are off of you. And then you know 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.320 if you want the baggage, well, this is I collect 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:44.920 from Target. 1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:47.800 Okay, well I need the bag to take this stuff home. 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:49.559 I don't know if I'm gonna take the hair products 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.759 home ever. See that's now fifty dollars I'm charging. 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:55.360 I just got it for free. But if fifty dollars for. 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:59.040 You, oh that's right, the chance saisons. We gave you 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:00.200 something that we probably Oh. 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.720 Yeah, we got to call you. We got we got 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:05.160 we definitely, we definitely got. We just definitely got a 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:10.080 bok get you and uh you see my hoodie, I 1:29:10.160 --> 1:29:12.639 mean We're gonna get you one. What's what's what size? 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:12.920 You are? 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:14.400 Medium? 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:17.080 Got you, We'll get that. We'll get that to you. 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:19.599 Yes. Absolutely, this has been great. 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:24.400 This has been unbelievable. This has been unbelievable. Thank you 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:25.960 for taking absolutely ahead. 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:28.519 Thank you for taking us time out of your day. 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:30.680 I understand you're very busy. We've been trying to get 1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:33.439 this and we finally got it. We found Thank you 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:36.120 so much, Thank you getting thank you for having. 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:39.719 Appreciate absolutely I don't get the handshake. Shall we close 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:41.240 it out? How I close out all my videos? 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:41.519 Yes? 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.040 Yes, yes, again, thank you so much for having me. 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.800 And until the next time, honey, y'all going a bout 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:48.280 y'all business and have the most amazing day. 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:50.400 But even if you can't have a good one, don't 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:52.880 you there go messing up. Nobody else is here. See 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:54.840 y'all next time. Love y'all, Thank you. 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:55.840 Thank you. 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:04.479 My life grounding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price, 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:07.280 and want to slice. Got to brow the dice that 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:09.800 way all my life. I've been grinding all my life, 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:12.200 all my life and grinning all. 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:16.519 My life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price in one slice. 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:17.800 I got to brow the dice. 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:19.519 WA all my life, I've. 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:20.479 Been grinding all my life. 1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:27.839 Yeahm mhm