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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shaha. I am
Speaker 1: your hole Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shaha.
Speaker 1: And the lady that's stopping by for conversation on the
Speaker 1: drink today is an Emmy nominated NAACP Award, Image Award winner,
Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling author, globally known and beloved social
Speaker 1: media personality, one of TikTok's top three creator, a vegan icon,
Speaker 1: plant based activist, Peter twenty twenty Person of the Year,
Speaker 1: A mogul entrepreneur, ce CEO and actress producer Ride a
Speaker 1: Whole fashion designer. Why America's Mom and Auntie Tabitha Brown?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 5: Honey?
Speaker 3: Listen?
Speaker 2: I was like, who did all that?
Speaker 3: Did I need anything else?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: How are you doing this thing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing amazing?
Speaker 1: You man, I am doing this is an unbelievable honor
Speaker 1: for me. When doing my research on you, I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just not hearing about you. But you've been at
Speaker 1: this thing for a minute.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been doing it for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think in the second phase of my life, which
Speaker 6: has been the last six years.
Speaker 2: When most people found me. Right, it's how most people
Speaker 2: know me.
Speaker 6: But I've been pursuing my dreams and entertainment for over
Speaker 6: twenty plus years.
Speaker 1: So when people refer to you as America's Mom or
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite auntie, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 3: Do you? Are you like, don't be calling me no Auntie?
Speaker 5: I ain't.
Speaker 2: Oh no, honey, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a term of endearment.
Speaker 2: It's a term of endearment.
Speaker 6: And also like for the term America's Mom. I had
Speaker 6: that on my vision board for years and nobody knew
Speaker 6: that really, but I wanted it because I wanted to
Speaker 6: be like Claire Huckson I was growing up.
Speaker 2: I looked at her like, oh, she's America's Mom. So
Speaker 2: I wanted to be.
Speaker 6: That, and I thought I'd have a show as an
Speaker 6: actress and get that title.
Speaker 2: But people call me that just for being me.
Speaker 1: So when you were growing up, you're from a small
Speaker 1: town in North Carolina, reaching Eden. Yeah, my stylist is
Speaker 1: from Reidsville. Shut up, Hollywood. Hollywood is from Redsville.
Speaker 2: Say it ain't. So come on with the three three cs.
Speaker 2: We got to know each other again.
Speaker 5: I talk people.
Speaker 1: So when you're growing up, So what did what did
Speaker 1: little Tabitha want to.
Speaker 3: Be when she was growing up?
Speaker 2: I wanted to be an actress.
Speaker 6: You want to be an acts It started very early,
Speaker 6: about five or six, watching The Cosby Show, and I
Speaker 6: remember telling Mama, I said, Mama, I want to be
Speaker 6: Rudy's friend. That ring the doorbell net you it would
Speaker 6: come in and he never had nothing to say.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
Speaker 6: I had something I wanted to say and so she said, oh,
Speaker 6: you want to be friends with Rudy. I said, but
Speaker 6: only in the TV. I didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 6: And she said, oh, that means you want to be
Speaker 6: an actress.
Speaker 2: And so I spent all my childhood trying to figure
Speaker 2: out how do I become this thing called an actress?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And so my whole life, that's always been what I wanted.
Speaker 1: Even from a small town in North Carolina, you dreamt,
Speaker 1: you dreamt big of somewhere, being far, far away from
Speaker 1: North Carolina, never forgetting your roots, but you wanted to
Speaker 1: be Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be on TV, right.
Speaker 6: I was always the one performing at the cookouts, Sunday dinners,
Speaker 6: all that you know, I did. It would buy me
Speaker 6: joke books, so I was studying them all week and
Speaker 6: so I'd be like, Ooh, this weekend at the cookout
Speaker 6: or at the Sunday dinner, I'm about to perform these jokes.
Speaker 2: You know, It's just always been the thing I love.
Speaker 1: Did you being from North Carolina? Obviously I have a
Speaker 1: I'm from rule, South Georgia. I talked with a heavy
Speaker 1: coloquial dialect. You're from north rural North Carolina, And so
Speaker 1: you talked with that dialect. Also, did you take classes
Speaker 1: to try to remove that or you just set alone
Speaker 1: who you are?
Speaker 6: I covered it for years, for years, okay, from corporate
Speaker 6: America being told that you got a coverage and then
Speaker 6: and entertainment being told you know, I sound country, I
Speaker 6: sound ignorant.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 6: And so I took acting classes and you know, learned
Speaker 6: how to cover it. But I also learned how to
Speaker 6: code switch. Very early as a little girl. My mama
Speaker 6: talked to bill collectors and change her voice. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: that's how we got to talk to right, you know,
Speaker 6: talk to family friends one way, talk to exactly. And
Speaker 6: I did that, but I did it for so long,
Speaker 6: you know, I kind of lost myself for a little bit.
Speaker 2: But now these last.
Speaker 6: Six years it has been my freedom walk and I
Speaker 6: never covered anymore.
Speaker 1: What did people say, because a lot of times they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're trying to act, you know what they would say,
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So, so how did how did they receive
Speaker 1: when you code switched?
Speaker 2: Well, it was a normal thing, right.
Speaker 6: A lot of people met me and didn't know no
Speaker 6: different because that's how they met me.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So, now, when you know some of the people I
Speaker 6: met years ago, they see me now like you didn't
Speaker 6: used to talk that way.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, because I won't free.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But now, if you had ever come to my house.
Speaker 6: And you was with me and my husband and my
Speaker 6: daddy and all my family, you would have always heard
Speaker 6: this if I was comfortable enough with you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So why was it so important to get
Speaker 1: back to Tabitha's original self and not let corporate America
Speaker 1: change Because if you change your voice, you're changing who
Speaker 1: you are. Because the part of who Tabitha Brown is
Speaker 1: is that North Carolina, right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It was just about freedom, Like I had lost freedom.
Speaker 6: You know, when you start to conform to make other
Speaker 6: people feel comfortable and you code switch and you're trying
Speaker 6: to fit in, it's not freedom, right. And so when
Speaker 6: I got sick, my prayer was to God was if
Speaker 6: you heal me, you can have me. And what I
Speaker 6: meant in that was I'm not going to try to
Speaker 6: be this Tabitha I created no more.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be who you created me to be. And
Speaker 2: that mean you me, and that mean I had to
Speaker 2: be like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that, And I've been letting him have
Speaker 6: me for the last six years.
Speaker 2: Every day you have.
Speaker 3: A lot of sayings.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're my you know, people hear me on
Speaker 1: and I talked about what my grandmother and my grandfather
Speaker 1: would say, like hello there. Likes like that because it's
Speaker 1: my business. Have a good day, and even if you can't,
Speaker 1: don't go messing up to somebody else's day.
Speaker 2: That's my dad and my daddy.
Speaker 1: Have you always because I've never I shouldn't say never,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, when I watch you interview
Speaker 1: and see you, you're always smiling, You're always so happy.
Speaker 1: Have you always been this person?
Speaker 6: I have always been a joyful person. That's what my
Speaker 6: husband always says. He's like, that's just it's always been
Speaker 6: the root of who I am. Right, I choose joy.
Speaker 6: It's a it's an intentional choice every day. It doesn't
Speaker 6: mean I haven't had bad days or bad time, but
Speaker 6: I've also had a long bout of a dark season,
Speaker 6: and I know what that looks like and it ain't
Speaker 6: no fun. And so I'm intentional with my joy and
Speaker 6: with my happiness, and I want to spread that right.
Speaker 1: So it's very important for you to be positive even
Speaker 1: though you're going through things, even to see people see
Speaker 1: you and you.
Speaker 3: Smiling like, hey go through right.
Speaker 1: Yes, But it seems to me that you're very appreciative
Speaker 1: because you know where you came from, you see where
Speaker 1: you are and where you're heading.
Speaker 3: That you're very, very, very appreciative. My grandmother used to.
Speaker 1: Say, and when we didn't have anything, she said, boy,
Speaker 1: don't be ungrateful to God. Yes, she said, you got
Speaker 1: you woke up this morning, did you? So everything else
Speaker 1: is a blessing after that?
Speaker 2: That's right, that's the gift. Wow, that's the gift.
Speaker 1: So now that your struggles, you talk about how you're struggling,
Speaker 1: because everybody see the last six years of Tabitha, but
Speaker 1: there was a period in which we didn't see this Tabitha.
Speaker 3: What were those times?
Speaker 2: Like those times were?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: I was living right, So I was pursuing acting, but
Speaker 6: I was a wife and a mother I have been
Speaker 6: for you know, almost twenty two years now a mom
Speaker 6: and being my husband for twenty five years.
Speaker 2: So we were working and trying.
Speaker 6: To build and struggling and from North Carolina to california're
Speaker 6: back to North Carolina to California again, but always pursuing
Speaker 6: the dream. My only dream back then was acting, right,
Speaker 6: I couldn't see hass that I had to put myself in
Speaker 6: a little box.
Speaker 2: And so that's what it was.
Speaker 6: But I always had a job. I used to work
Speaker 6: in Macy's. I used to work at UPS at a
Speaker 6: call center in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: What type of employee was Tabitha?
Speaker 2: Oh, listen, it's always a good employee.
Speaker 6: Okay, I can go get a job right now, Okay,
Speaker 6: right now, I can go get a job.
Speaker 2: I ain't never been like.
Speaker 3: I can see why you worked in the call center.
Speaker 3: See how you do it today.
Speaker 2: Exc So that's where I learned to coverage, right, you know? Yep?
Speaker 1: I asked you about we see the last six years
Speaker 1: of Tabitha, and we talked about obviously you talked about
Speaker 1: the time that you were going through and you said something.
Speaker 1: You said you were living, but is there's a difference
Speaker 1: between living, surviving and thriving.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: So you wanted to live to survive in order for
Speaker 1: you to thrive, That is correct.
Speaker 2: I like it. Yes, I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess we're the king and quean queen the slogans.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so.
Speaker 1: When times got hard and you met I remember growing
Speaker 1: up when people left in the you know, you used
Speaker 1: to go to New York and they go to Chicago,
Speaker 1: they go to Detroit and came back home. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't bomb that. You got high on the hog
Speaker 1: and you had to come home right, right, right? It
Speaker 1: was like you were a failure. So how did it
Speaker 1: make you feel? You left North Carolina, you go to
Speaker 1: California and you have to go back.
Speaker 2: You know, in the beginning, I was against it, right.
Speaker 6: I had moved to California, thought I was moving to Hollywood,
Speaker 6: but I was down in Orange County somewhere. My husband
Speaker 6: was my boyfriend at the time, and he came out.
Speaker 6: I had been out there for like three months. I
Speaker 6: didn't tell nobody how bad it really was, right, and
Speaker 6: I'm renting this room. This woman is pretty much taken
Speaker 6: all my money and working two jobs. I'm nineteen years old,
Speaker 6: And so when my husband came out there, he was like, man,
Speaker 6: you ain't doing no acting.
Speaker 2: You ain't. We're not even in LA right, like you
Speaker 2: struggling to even pay bills. He was like, this donna
Speaker 2: make sense, and it's expensive, right, he.
Speaker 6: Said, we need to go back to North Carolina where
Speaker 6: it's cheaper. Save up money for one year, then we
Speaker 6: can move back to LA where you can really pursue
Speaker 6: your dream. And so I was like, man, I ain't
Speaker 6: really want to do that, but it sounded like a
Speaker 6: good idea. So I was like, all right, So we
Speaker 6: moved back, but we saved up a little bit of
Speaker 6: money so that we can move in and have our
Speaker 6: own apartment there.
Speaker 2: And we moved to Greensboro, moved into the city.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, and.
Speaker 2: So and we were there.
Speaker 6: The one year planned though, turned into five years and
Speaker 6: a forgotten dream because you know, we ended up having
Speaker 6: a baby and we were both working, and we got
Speaker 6: a house, and we had caused new responsibilities, and I
Speaker 6: just thought I missed out on that opportunity. I convinced
Speaker 6: myself I couldn't have it no more.
Speaker 3: Right, So, yeah, you so you weren't embarrassed to go back?
Speaker 3: You didn't.
Speaker 1: And then when you had a child, and you see
Speaker 1: you say okay, and your husband talked to you into
Speaker 1: going back, and you say we got one year, it
Speaker 1: turned into five years, and.
Speaker 3: Did you like, damn at your lowest? How bad was it?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 6: Even then, I don't think it was my lowest, okay, right,
Speaker 6: I think that I had just convinced myself that this
Speaker 6: is what it is, okay, And so it wasn't until
Speaker 6: I mean, I was working at a cart and I
Speaker 6: had promoted to supervisor at a beerage. Okay, okay, I
Speaker 6: was like twenty one and I had people under me
Speaker 6: that was in eight fifties.
Speaker 3: So I'm.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was probably making I think thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year. I was bowling.
Speaker 6: We was doing very well, good money back then, right,
Speaker 6: and so I was like, this is our root team,
Speaker 6: Like this is gonna be it. And one morning I
Speaker 6: woke up it felt like an earthquake had hit Greensboro.
Speaker 6: My bed shook and I heard a voice that sounded
Speaker 6: like thunder, and the boy said.
Speaker 2: This is not the life I planned for you.
Speaker 6: And I got on my knees because I got very scared,
Speaker 6: and I just started praying. I was like, God, if
Speaker 6: this is you speaking to me, I need you to
Speaker 6: show me a sign today because if not, I think
Speaker 6: I'm going crazy. I'm gonna check myself in. And I
Speaker 6: told my husband what happened, and I think he thought
Speaker 6: I was crazy. But then later that day we was
Speaker 6: on our way to the mall and on the radio,
Speaker 6: Buster Brown, who was the local DJ at the time.
Speaker 6: He came on the radio and he was like, this
Speaker 6: is Buster Brown. I got a new TV show on
Speaker 6: the WB network, and I'm holding auditions looking for a
Speaker 6: female co host. And I could have bust the windows
Speaker 6: out the car. I went crazy and across that's my sign.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's that's my audition. I got to go,
Speaker 6: and I went and I booked that job, and that's
Speaker 6: what got me back into dreaming again.
Speaker 3: Got you in the TV.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, but did you did you lose aspirations
Speaker 1: of being an actress or he says, Okay, TV is
Speaker 1: my endpoint to maybe it's just something bigger.
Speaker 6: No, I just that was my my sign to get
Speaker 6: back into it. I started doing that. I was producing
Speaker 6: my own sagments and interview with people right, kind of
Speaker 6: like you, okay.
Speaker 3: Well I'm in Hollywood. Okay, Hollywood.
Speaker 6: I guess that's a sign, right, And so then I
Speaker 6: started back doing theater community and then I would drive
Speaker 6: three hours to Wilmington to do extra work on One
Speaker 6: Tree Hill because I was like, I need to know
Speaker 6: what it's like to be on a set, right so
Speaker 6: that I can see, like how everything works. And then
Speaker 6: I did all that for like a year, and then
Speaker 6: I told my husband, now it's tiying to move back.
Speaker 2: To La Yep.
Speaker 1: I read where your mom had passed and it was
Speaker 1: a very dark time for you, singinglarly went through some depression.
Speaker 1: So what was that time? So how did you deal
Speaker 1: with what you was going through? Because I'm assuming you're
Speaker 1: very close to your mom and then to the chief
Speaker 1: tore like, Okay, I know my mom would want me.
Speaker 6: To do what Yet So when my mama was sick,
Speaker 6: it was a tough time, you know, because me and
Speaker 6: my husband we were still very much so newly married
Speaker 6: and we've been together for years, but we were new
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles, so I was going back and forth
Speaker 6: to North Carolina to help take care of her.
Speaker 2: So just that time and to know that it was
Speaker 2: a terminal disease. Mama died young. She was fifty one, wow.
Speaker 2: And so those three years were hard.
Speaker 6: In itself, but I feel like it was the time
Speaker 6: that changed me the most, but in the best way,
Speaker 6: you know, when you see somebody who was amazing. My
Speaker 6: mama was a light, and she was a master at
Speaker 6: giving grace, and she loved people, and she never complained.
Speaker 6: So I saw my mama go from being this amazing woman.
Speaker 6: She was a social worker, she was a pastor who
Speaker 6: wore heels every day and was you know, out all
Speaker 6: the time, to the point where she was trappingside her
Speaker 6: body and could not move because she had a LX.
Speaker 2: And never one time did she complain.
Speaker 6: And I remember talking to her, and I remember asking her,
Speaker 6: you know, Mama, if you could go back and change
Speaker 6: and not be sick, would you change it?
Speaker 2: And she said no, And I said, you wouldn't go
Speaker 2: back and change not getting sick? She said no. That
Speaker 2: means God has trusted me with this journey. He knows
Speaker 2: I can handle it. And that stuck with me, right,
Speaker 2: It stuck with me.
Speaker 6: And then just to see her go through it so
Speaker 6: gracefully and always have a smile on her face. I
Speaker 6: always took that and was like, I gotta do something
Speaker 6: with my life, you know. So when she passed away,
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna take any job I can,
Speaker 6: just you know, an acting. And I did a lot
Speaker 6: for like two years, stuff that nobody needed to really see.
Speaker 2: I was like, I booked it. Hey, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: this movie. That's when you know the straight to DVD
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, straight yeah yeah yeah yeah, cho Buster and
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 6: I had like five movies and like one year all
Speaker 6: went to like DVDs and it, you know.
Speaker 2: But I mean it was great.
Speaker 6: I mean, of course I joke about it, but I'm
Speaker 6: glad for every role I took back then because it
Speaker 6: just validated that I was living in a dream that
Speaker 6: I had, right, and also that my mama told me
Speaker 6: that this day would come.
Speaker 2: But back then, I thought that was the day she
Speaker 2: was talking about.
Speaker 1: When you I hear you talk about your mom when
Speaker 1: you ask her if she could go back and change anything,
Speaker 1: even with the debilitating disease of ALS, he said she
Speaker 1: wouldn't change a thing. If that what allows you to
Speaker 1: stay so positive because you saw the journey that your
Speaker 1: mom was on, and no matter what you was going through,
Speaker 1: ain't no way it's even comparable to what she's going Listen.
Speaker 6: It plays a large role in my everyday life. In
Speaker 6: my everyday life, even like right now, things I'm going through,
Speaker 6: I'd be like, man, I hate that I'm going through this,
Speaker 6: but it's nothing compared to that.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm reading you a ups worker basically warehouse uber.
Speaker 3: You worked at Mason and Central City.
Speaker 2: I worked in the office at the office, Yeah, at Macy's.
Speaker 1: So you're an uber driver. I was, okay, what type
Speaker 1: of uber driver did you get? It was you get
Speaker 1: one star, two star, three stars.
Speaker 2: Liszt said, you know, I was the best super driver.
Speaker 6: I did it from October of twenty seventeen to December
Speaker 6: or yeah, December thirtieth seventeen, and I was the best
Speaker 6: super driver.
Speaker 2: I know how to read the room though, I know
Speaker 2: what people don't want to talk about, Okay, okay, right.
Speaker 6: But I also was like, in my mind, I'm about
Speaker 6: to get discovered in my car.
Speaker 2: Okay, so everybody that.
Speaker 3: You're gonna cast, the director was over here.
Speaker 6: I thought I would find a pick up, the producer,
Speaker 6: the director of the.
Speaker 3: Cast, somebody that can put you on.
Speaker 6: I said, I'm gonna get discovered in the car because
Speaker 6: they gonna they gonna love me. I'm I'm gonna hit
Speaker 6: them with a couple of things and then I'm gonna
Speaker 6: just call you from the set.
Speaker 2: That's how my mind rights. But I did not. It'll
Speaker 2: pick up.
Speaker 6: I think I picked up maybe one person who said
Speaker 6: they was a producer, and I was like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: ain't no producer, but you keep speaking it into existions, right,
Speaker 6: But I would every time somebody to get.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So you getting so you picked me up?
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: You're gonna introduce yourself? You say, Hi, I'm tabletha. What's
Speaker 1: your name? What type of music wuld like to listen to?
Speaker 1: I have some water, have some wives, have some mints
Speaker 1: in the back.
Speaker 2: I have all that.
Speaker 3: Star was was.
Speaker 6: I had a good crisis three hundreds okay, okay, it
Speaker 6: was a nice crist of three hundred.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Now when we had the fires, I did go to
Speaker 6: the right aid and get.
Speaker 2: The mask for the people. This before COVID okay, wow.
Speaker 6: Because I was telling people this and the ashes was falling, right,
Speaker 6: I was like, I got a little mask right here,
Speaker 6: but the water and stuff I couldn't afford all that.
Speaker 6: And now I had been on disability for over yah.
Speaker 6: I was just getting back on my feet. Just so,
Speaker 6: what y'all gonna get this mask?
Speaker 3: You mentioned your little disability? What transpired? You? You're following you? No?
Speaker 2: I got sick.
Speaker 3: Sick.
Speaker 6: I got sick in twenty sixteen, and uh I had
Speaker 6: a headache in the back of my head and the
Speaker 6: headache was there every day for a year and seven months,
Speaker 6: and I started having chronic fatigue in my body and
Speaker 6: chronic pain throughout, and I just could not get well,
Speaker 6: and going to the doctor every week and every month
Speaker 6: and doing blood work and.
Speaker 2: All kind of like MRIs, everything would come back normal.
Speaker 6: They couldn't figure out what's wrong with right, And so
Speaker 6: they just told me one day, they were like, we
Speaker 6: know that it's something out of immune making your body
Speaker 6: attack itself.
Speaker 2: We just can't figure it out.
Speaker 6: And so of course when somebody tell you we know
Speaker 6: something wrong with you, but we don't know.
Speaker 1: Hold on, y'all went to all this school, man, y'all
Speaker 1: went to school for ten, fifteen, twenty years. Y'all are
Speaker 1: waiting to get all these yea, and y'all don't nobody
Speaker 1: know nothing.
Speaker 6: No, no, So that cost me to fall into the
Speaker 6: dark depression.
Speaker 1: So now you depressed because you've got people that's very, very,
Speaker 1: very well educated, and they can't diagnose or tell you
Speaker 1: what's wrong or how long this is going to go on.
Speaker 2: This is very true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, yeah, you try and stand up.
Speaker 2: I did. I was doing it for a little while, honey,
Speaker 2: And it was right, good in it?
Speaker 3: How many jobs? How many time to figure how many
Speaker 3: jobs you had?
Speaker 2: Or you jaica listen, it's probably my rooms.
Speaker 6: Okay, maybe I mean ups Mazie's uber stand up?
Speaker 3: What made you decide to do stand up? Were you
Speaker 3: fron other child?
Speaker 2: Oh? Always? Comedy is natural for me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Okay, but I told you my daddy used to buy
Speaker 6: me Joe book. We used to watch stand up all
Speaker 6: the time. My daddy was a big richer prior thing. Yes,
Speaker 6: Jerry Clyd were like all the like. We used to
Speaker 6: listen to the records and listen to comedy and then
Speaker 6: death comedy Jam when that came, would record them all.
Speaker 6: I would play them over and over and over. So
Speaker 6: it was just a thing that I loved and I respect.
Speaker 6: And so when I was trying to get a TV
Speaker 6: show because I was acting and acting, and I was like, man,
Speaker 6: these comedians keep getting.
Speaker 2: TV shows, let me go try some standing.
Speaker 6: So that's why I did it. That's why I did it,
Speaker 6: trying to get a show.
Speaker 3: So you were good. So did you get booed?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Never, really never?
Speaker 3: So why did you give it up?
Speaker 2: I got seeck. So when I got sick.
Speaker 3: You thought about going back.
Speaker 2: I'm not really every blue moon people would be like
Speaker 2: you you stand up again.
Speaker 6: I think that now what I do it has stand
Speaker 6: up in its own way, right.
Speaker 2: But I realized why I love stand up so much.
Speaker 6: It is really to make people feel well, right, And
Speaker 6: I do that anyway.
Speaker 3: You do your personality. You walk into the room.
Speaker 1: You walked into the room and you have this big
Speaker 1: smile and you're like full of energy and vibrants. It's like,
Speaker 1: even if I'm down, like, damn, she happy. So something
Speaker 1: must be going back to happen to me because she
Speaker 1: just came outside. So when I go back outside, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be sunny again.
Speaker 3: So you didn't meet anybody in La. How did this
Speaker 3: start to take off?
Speaker 1: I read that you did you critique Whole Foods a vegan.
Speaker 2: The sandwich sandwich?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: And from fifty thousand views to a million views and
Speaker 1: that was really the launching or the jumping off point
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yes. So I was driving over right. So this is
Speaker 2: December thirty of the twenty seventeen.
Speaker 6: I had been a new vegan for a couple of months,
Speaker 6: so I had just started doing videos in these couple
Speaker 6: of months to tell people excuse me when I find
Speaker 6: a new vegan option, or I would cook in my kitchen.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna share it with y'all.
Speaker 6: And so I had dropped somebody off buy Whole Foods,
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh, I need a little breakfast.
Speaker 6: Whole Foods always got a vegan option. Went in there,
Speaker 6: and I had never heard of vegan bacon at the time.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I got a bot, but it's vegan.
Speaker 6: Let me get that why they got a play baseall again,
Speaker 6: reall yes, And so I got it ate the first
Speaker 6: half of the Sundar so quick. I was like, oh lord,
Speaker 6: I need to do a video to tell people I
Speaker 6: found a new vegan option.
Speaker 2: So, sitting in my car, I did the video, posted it,
Speaker 2: I went on back to drive an uber.
Speaker 6: I ain't think anything really up the video because I
Speaker 6: was already doing videos and they won't getting like no
Speaker 6: thousands of us. They would get like a couple hundred views,
Speaker 6: a couple thousand over a couple of weeks, you know.
Speaker 6: And so when I got back home and termed my
Speaker 6: notifications on that video had like over.
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand views. Wow.
Speaker 6: And then I was like, well, we're watching the video like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. And then the next morning when I
Speaker 6: checked it again, it had over one hundred and some thousand.
Speaker 6: I was like, I told my husband I think I'm
Speaker 6: going viral, and he was say, what that mean.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know. He was liked, well,
Speaker 2: you gonna make some money. I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know that either.
Speaker 6: But four days later, Whole Food's reached out on Facebook
Speaker 6: and my DM and it was like, we saw your video.
Speaker 2: We'd love to work with the honey of the rest
Speaker 2: in history ever since then.
Speaker 1: Ye, so Whole Food's reaching out in your DM. You're
Speaker 1: mispronouncing the sandwich wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: They ended up they ended up saying, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: call it what you call it.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was originally TLTA for ten fee letters Tomato Avocado.
Speaker 6: I called it TTLA okay cause I was just excited
Speaker 6: and I thought I said it right, but I said
Speaker 6: it wrong, So they changed it to TTLA.
Speaker 1: Did you go vegan because of what was transpiring with
Speaker 1: your body? The auto immune deficient the thing that you
Speaker 1: had going on? And you say, you know what, I
Speaker 1: meet meat and I'm putting all this process food in
Speaker 1: my body, Let me try.
Speaker 2: This, Yes, so I went vegan.
Speaker 6: My daughter came home from school one day during this
Speaker 6: time of my sickness, and she was like, we saw
Speaker 6: this documentary at school today, Mom, I think you should
Speaker 6: watch it. And it was What the Help on Netflix,
Speaker 6: and so we watched it together and I told my husband,
Speaker 6: I was like, mmm, when they started talking about not
Speaker 6: all diseases being hereditaries that they can eat the same
Speaker 6: thing that can cause the same disease in our family,
Speaker 6: and I thought, well, my mama.
Speaker 2: Died at fifty one, a rare disease. There's no cause
Speaker 2: or cure.
Speaker 6: And my daddy was the first man to ever turn
Speaker 6: seventy in our family. Wow, And people die young in
Speaker 6: my family and they get seeking young ages. And so
Speaker 6: I thought, well, the only thing we had in common
Speaker 6: was how we ate. And I wasn't a bad eater,
Speaker 6: right because you know, I was in Hollywood, But I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Eating to feel well. I was eating to look a
Speaker 2: certain way and that's not the way to live, right.
Speaker 6: And so I told my husband. I was like, let's
Speaker 6: do a thirty day began challenge because I had tried
Speaker 6: every drug. Yeah, did it as a family days because
Speaker 6: I mean, I had taken all the drugs the doctors
Speaker 6: gave me because I was a guinea pig. You know,
Speaker 6: you don't know what whatever you want to offer me.
Speaker 2: I'm desperate to feel better.
Speaker 6: Shots in my head, shots in my so I was
Speaker 6: doing everything. So we did it for thirty days. In
Speaker 6: the first ten days, the headache I got had every
Speaker 6: day for a year and seven months disappeared. And so
Speaker 6: I was like, wait a minute, that's how I look.
Speaker 6: See that little thing you do with your head, That's.
Speaker 3: What I say. Okay, okay, So I figured.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, I'm on the something.
Speaker 6: And then after the thirty days, I was getting the
Speaker 6: energy again. My pain was leaving my body, and I
Speaker 6: was starting to feel like myself. And I was like,
Speaker 6: you know what, this is gonna be my life. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go vegan right here. I am almost six yeard
Speaker 6: on thirty days. He said, babe, I told him. I said,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be begging back. I'm not going back.
Speaker 2: He said, that's so good for you. But tomorrow and
Speaker 2: need a piece of cheek.
Speaker 1: Yeah know what I'm thinking. I'm like, I feel good.
Speaker 1: I ain't got no headache about stuff. It don't hurt,
Speaker 1: and I got plenty of energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, you know what, that's your business, right,
Speaker 6: But he did it two years after I was veging.
Speaker 2: I was begging for two years, and then he decided
Speaker 2: on his own.
Speaker 6: He watched a different documentary Game Changes, and that's from
Speaker 6: the athletes and a man's point of view, and then
Speaker 6: he did it himself and was vegan for two years,
Speaker 6: and then he recently went back to eating fish and chicken.
Speaker 3: Yep. Right.
Speaker 1: Did you know social media had the power that it
Speaker 1: had before you went viral?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: I didn't think anything really of social media, you know
Speaker 6: when you for me as an actress, I was always
Speaker 6: told you don't get on their honey. Yeah, theyin't gonna
Speaker 6: take it serious, I think, and I kind of believe that,
Speaker 6: kind of like over the years.
Speaker 2: Of me believing other things that the industry told me.
Speaker 2: But I was doing what God told me to do, right.
Speaker 6: I only got on social media because I had a
Speaker 6: dream and I saw myself on the show.
Speaker 2: And I have always had the gift of dreaming and sining.
Speaker 6: So when I woke up and I asked God to
Speaker 6: reveal that to me, because I was like, I'm sick.
Speaker 2: I'm not out auditioning, I'm not doing stand up.
Speaker 6: How was I on the show and the words that
Speaker 6: I heard was started doing videos.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, no, Lord, I'm not about
Speaker 2: to do these videos. I don't do that.
Speaker 6: I'm an actress, okay, But he was very adamant. God
Speaker 6: was just like, this is what you need to do.
Speaker 6: He said, when you were trying to get a show,
Speaker 6: you were doing stand up. You was reaching fifteen thirty
Speaker 6: people a night, he said, but if you start doing
Speaker 6: these videos, you'll.
Speaker 2: Reach thousands and minutes.
Speaker 6: And I was like, Lord, I ain't even got thousands
Speaker 6: of people to reach in minutes, Like this don't make sense.
Speaker 6: And then he reminded me of the moment in the
Speaker 6: bathroom when I had said God, if you heal me,
Speaker 6: you can have me, so which meant I had to
Speaker 6: be obedient. So when I first started doing my videos,
Speaker 6: I was doing the same like jokes and stuff I
Speaker 6: would do on stage as a comedian, but I'd be
Speaker 6: sitting on my bed or sitting on my couch.
Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with food.
Speaker 6: Then, over that time, when my daughter came home and
Speaker 6: I decided to go vegan, the moment I told my
Speaker 6: husband I'm going vegan. The whisper in my ear was,
Speaker 6: now tell people what you're eating in your videos. And
Speaker 6: I was like, oh Lord, I gotta tell these people
Speaker 6: I'm vegan. I'm from North Carolina. This time I had
Speaker 6: also shaved off all my hair, so I did the
Speaker 6: big chop. I was like, Lord, if I get on
Speaker 6: here and tell people, it ain't no challenge, Like it's
Speaker 6: my life.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be right.
Speaker 1: This is a lifestyle now, this is not thirty day
Speaker 1: sixty day challenge.
Speaker 6: Is this is gonna be it. I was like, they're
Speaker 6: gonna be like that girl to finally lost my mind.
Speaker 6: I just Hollywood. But I was like, I can't care
Speaker 6: about it. I got to be obedient and do what
Speaker 6: God has called me to do.
Speaker 3: So I had Steve Harvey on a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: He said it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And he said, the number one killer of
Speaker 1: dreams is family and friends. When you told your husband
Speaker 1: about this dream, about this vision you have, it seems
Speaker 1: that I've watched a lot of your videos that he's
Speaker 1: been so supported in your dream.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm gonna let him tell you eventually.
Speaker 2: But I was crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 6: I would have I'd be like, God showed me this
Speaker 6: because I have, like I talk about it in my
Speaker 6: first book. Right, I've always had the gift of seeing,
Speaker 6: whether I'm awake or asleep, I can see things that
Speaker 6: nobody else sees. I can hear things nobody.
Speaker 3: Else here because he's talking to you, talking to me.
Speaker 6: Right, and so I and he's showing me things. My
Speaker 6: dreads and my mama would always tell me that. She
Speaker 6: was like, you know, God gave you the vision, not
Speaker 6: anybody else. It's up to me to make it manifest
Speaker 6: so that others will become believers.
Speaker 2: Right, but you speak it so that they know it
Speaker 2: is real.
Speaker 6: And so you know, there were many times I would
Speaker 6: tell him and he'd be like, okay, all right. You
Speaker 6: know he would go along because he loves me, not
Speaker 6: necessarily because he believe it. But now he'd be like, dang,
Speaker 6: everything that you was were living in the dream.
Speaker 2: Now do we ever come up.
Speaker 1: And said, baby, you thought of something. Everything we judge it,
Speaker 1: It goes anyway you thought about it.
Speaker 2: You thought about something, Yes, yes, you listen. I'll let
Speaker 2: him tell you.
Speaker 3: So what a social media platform.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, what's what's
Speaker 1: your preference?
Speaker 6: I don't really have a preference, but I started on
Speaker 6: face Facebook, right, that's my original order, right, which is
Speaker 6: my older order?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I thought Facebook was like for family reunions,
Speaker 1: class reunion?
Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing that?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: You know we went to school together. But people are
Speaker 3: all really on Facebook.
Speaker 6: On there, they really only and they are loyal and
Speaker 6: dedicated to their.
Speaker 2: People, right, and my following years, I call him family.
Speaker 6: Nobody more loyal than my think right, they show up
Speaker 6: for me, right, and they and I have Instagram as well,
Speaker 6: I mean I have them all.
Speaker 2: Instagram is huge for me as well.
Speaker 6: But I've never cooked live anywhere else other than Facebook.
Speaker 3: So are you the social media opera?
Speaker 6: I don't know, but people call me that. They just
Speaker 6: a lot of people like you. Are you the new
Speaker 6: Oprah for us? And I'd be like, well, god bless
Speaker 6: it all?
Speaker 1: Right, but there's something But you're different. But you're cooking,
Speaker 1: but you're giving inspirational talk.
Speaker 3: Yes as you.
Speaker 2: Cook and sometimes I'm not cooking at all, and.
Speaker 3: You feel, yes, was your did your mom? Is that?
Speaker 3: Did you? Where do you get that from Where did you? Why?
Speaker 1: Where did you? And why did you decide to add
Speaker 1: that aspect to it?
Speaker 2: That was always a thing that I have inside of me.
Speaker 6: Like my friends, my family, they know like I'm that
Speaker 6: person that would always pour into other people. It just
Speaker 6: it's a natural thing for me. But you know, after
Speaker 6: I went through my season of the darkness, I was
Speaker 6: doing whatever God called me to do, right and I
Speaker 6: still am. So when God puts something in my heart,
Speaker 6: I'd be like, oh, okay, I need to share this
Speaker 6: with somebody.
Speaker 2: It can't just be for me, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: You so celebrities obviously everybody.
Speaker 1: CJ, my producer, his wife is here, says and this
Speaker 1: is the first time she come on the set or
Speaker 1: the second time. If you brought a family right there
Speaker 1: in the green, she is like, I gotta meet Tabitha.
Speaker 1: I got to see Tabitha. I so many people.
Speaker 3: When they's like, well who you got on the podcast,
Speaker 3: I'm saying I got Tabitha.
Speaker 1: Bron Man telling Tabitha Brown, tell I love her, tell
Speaker 1: I love her. Everybody seems to love you. There's nothing
Speaker 1: bad to be. What does that make you feel?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: With so many celebrities, we understand the fan base, but
Speaker 1: a lot of famous people. No, Tabitha Brown loves Tabitha Brown.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel grateful right to be loved. But
Speaker 6: the most I think the most important part for.
Speaker 2: Me is that people just love me just for being me.
Speaker 6: Yes, you know, so I feel like family and I
Speaker 6: think that's what it is for people. People just feel
Speaker 6: like I'm part of their family too, And that's intentional
Speaker 6: for me, Like I want people to feel like we're family.
Speaker 1: So that seems so approachable. You seem so down to earth.
Speaker 1: You don't give the like, don't come talk to me.
Speaker 1: I'm busy, I'm in a hurry. You give the vibe like, hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 3: Come talk? Say hello? It'll do yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm going in. I'm going in for the hood.
Speaker 6: Like hey, like I love that, But I also like,
Speaker 6: how dare I not have time for the people who
Speaker 6: help me climb?
Speaker 2: You know, I am.
Speaker 6: In this position, hey, because God said I could have it,
Speaker 6: but because people support me. And so when I have events,
Speaker 6: you know, if my team was here, they would tell
Speaker 6: you I have events. And if there's a meet and greet,
Speaker 6: you better not put a time on it for me
Speaker 6: because I'm gonna see every person, Like literally, it will
Speaker 6: go from a hour to ten hours, right.
Speaker 1: Because you're having a conversation, you're taking a picture and
Speaker 1: you having a conversation, Hey, how is your day going?
Speaker 1: You know, my mom loves you and you're like obviously
Speaker 1: before you had a team in before people got your number.
Speaker 1: Obviously you have a team, you have a business manager.
Speaker 1: A lot of the things that would transaction that were
Speaker 1: happening in your DM. You said, Whole Foods reached out
Speaker 1: in your.
Speaker 2: DM absolutely on Facebook.
Speaker 1: So do people still reach out and try to and
Speaker 1: want to do business with you even though you got
Speaker 1: a team that.
Speaker 2: And you don't always pray before I go into my
Speaker 2: dms because I need to. I always say, God, let me.
Speaker 6: See who what I'm supposed to see, because there's so
Speaker 6: many I ever see them all.
Speaker 2: But there's still people who can't get.
Speaker 6: To my team because you know, some some things depending
Speaker 6: on like you know, when your agency is big.
Speaker 2: They won't entertain certain things.
Speaker 6: But those are the ones that I'll send to my
Speaker 6: other team that'll be like, I want to do this
Speaker 6: for you know, it ain't about the money, It's about
Speaker 6: the people.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So but you also have to be careful because for
Speaker 1: every good deal that could potentially come along, there's a
Speaker 1: scam and the one thing that you don't want the
Speaker 1: ding on Tabitha Brown's name. You work so hard for
Speaker 1: this reputation and this Christine, and you like to keep
Speaker 1: it in tap. So what's the process of going through it?
Speaker 1: Says Okay, is it your husband? Is it your team
Speaker 1: that you get down to it and says okay, I
Speaker 1: think this might be this is something that we might
Speaker 1: need to entertain or something like, Nah, I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: away from that.
Speaker 2: When you mean like it to come into DM. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: if it coming to DM, like, I'll send it to
Speaker 2: my team and like you let them better, Yeah, bet
Speaker 2: this and see if it's real.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But then also I don't say yes to nothing without prayer, right,
Speaker 6: So I pray about it and I'll say, okay, we
Speaker 6: can move forward.
Speaker 3: I surely appreciate you praying about this because.
Speaker 6: When I told my husband, he was like, oh, you're
Speaker 6: doing this.
Speaker 3: But you you've done so much. I mean you have.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the spices because I have a friend
Speaker 1: of mine and she says, tell Tabitha that I bought
Speaker 1: fifteen of those of those spices. My mom bought ten.
Speaker 1: I said, why the hell y'all bought ten? To the
Speaker 1: safe talk about they sell out?
Speaker 2: Yeah they yeah. In the beginning.
Speaker 6: The first time I dropped Sunshine was my first season.
Speaker 6: It sold out I think in twenty six minutes online,
Speaker 6: and so I had no I did it, was gonna
Speaker 6: do this right, And then we released it again. And
Speaker 6: then maybe like six months later, it broke the site
Speaker 6: for McCormick and it was so it sold out in
Speaker 6: like forty six minutes. Probably have sold out quicker, but
Speaker 6: the site broke and so when it got back up,
Speaker 6: it took about forty six minutes. And so then we
Speaker 6: were like, we gotta put it in stores right online
Speaker 6: it's just not it's not. Yeah, So now it's available everywhere.
Speaker 6: Now I have new spices that are now literally rolling
Speaker 6: out the spring and summer.
Speaker 3: I mean, you named and now you got a hair
Speaker 3: care product.
Speaker 6: Uh huh, Donna's recipe because it's Donna In case you
Speaker 6: didn't know it, don she on break Caation right now,
Speaker 6: break Caation yeah, yeah, Breid Cash.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so what made you decide to come up with spices?
Speaker 1: Because you said you want to be an actress you didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you say you want to be Martha
Speaker 1: Stewart or some cooking expert. But now you got spices
Speaker 1: you cook. How did you transition? How did you weave
Speaker 1: your way and navigate your way to like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: done with this, so let me come over here.
Speaker 6: So, as I started doing the videos and cooking right,
Speaker 6: I was like literally letting God order my steps. So
Speaker 6: as I'm cooking, I'm reading comments people like hell, do
Speaker 6: you need your own spices? And I'd be like, I
Speaker 6: guess maybe I do need my own spices, right, But
Speaker 6: I don't know. And you know, the first year, I'm
Speaker 6: just cooking and I'm talking, I'm cooking, and then I
Speaker 6: thought about it. I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 6: do use a lot of different spices, and I'm really
Speaker 6: big on being salt free, right because I know, like
Speaker 6: my family dynamic exactly, especially with people of color as well,
Speaker 6: and so I was like, if I could do a spice,
Speaker 6: it would have to be salt free. And so when
Speaker 6: I first started working organically with McCormick, it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even really a thought. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 6: I can use their stulf because my granted using my
Speaker 6: mama used them, and I'll just continue to use it.
Speaker 6: And they were like, you ever thought about doing your
Speaker 6: own spice? I was like, actually I have, and it
Speaker 6: was an organic thing. But also because my people wanted it,
Speaker 6: so I wanted to give them what.
Speaker 3: They asked for, right, So how did the hair product
Speaker 3: come about?
Speaker 2: So Donna's recipe?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, with Donna, I had did the big child,
Speaker 6: and so as she was growing out, I had a
Speaker 6: nice little fro and to begin a little small one.
Speaker 6: And so I also have stenosis in my neck from
Speaker 6: a car accident, and so for a period of time
Speaker 6: I had to lay flat on my back, so my
Speaker 6: hair started to thin in the back and I was like,
Speaker 6: oh lord, I need to find something to make my
Speaker 6: hair strong again and make it grow bad. And so
Speaker 6: I started trying to find different products, but a lot
Speaker 6: of products had chemicals in them, and I was like, well,
Speaker 6: I'm on this new journey of being vegan, and I
Speaker 6: had had that headache for you know, the year prior.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to just put anything back on my head,
Speaker 6: especially you know that's going to seep into my you know.
Speaker 2: My pores.
Speaker 6: Correct, So I started trying to create my own with
Speaker 6: like essential oils and natural oils, and I just couldn't
Speaker 6: get it done on my own. And so I was
Speaker 6: doing that for almost a year, trying to like like
Speaker 6: I was like a chemist, tap in right right in
Speaker 6: the house, in the bathroom. And so my business partner's
Speaker 6: my business partner now, Gina Woods. She came to me
Speaker 6: and was like, I had this idea Donalds. She have
Speaker 6: her own hair Caroline. I was like, girl, I've been
Speaker 6: trying to do that for a year, you know. And
Speaker 6: so she presented her idea to me and my husband,
Speaker 6: and I was like, okay, this is kind of you
Speaker 6: know already what I was doing anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's how it came to be.
Speaker 6: But it was really because I needed a product for myself,
Speaker 6: and once I figured out the formul I was like, well,
Speaker 6: I can't keep this to myself.
Speaker 2: I want to share it with the world.
Speaker 1: So what have you learned about entrepreneurship and business because
Speaker 1: a lot of people now we see a lot of
Speaker 1: saying okay, I won't instead of taking a fee up front, okay,
Speaker 1: let me take a percentage of the company.
Speaker 3: Let me get there. So let me get that.
Speaker 1: So what have you learned because I read where you
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, some people got me in the beginning,
Speaker 1: they did a number on me.
Speaker 3: They got they got your girl.
Speaker 6: Yes, So in the very beginning doing brand deals and partnerships,
Speaker 6: I didn't know that business. I knew SAG, I knew
Speaker 6: the union, I knew acting word, and so I had
Speaker 6: to learn it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they got me because they won't give me again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you come back, I'm gonna get you
Speaker 1: and okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So I learned a lot that way.
Speaker 6: But the one thing I learned is that people will
Speaker 6: show up and try to act like they are.
Speaker 2: They have your best interests, but you gotta be like,
Speaker 2: you have to use your discernment.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Everybody don't have your best interests, and a lot of
Speaker 6: people want to pull from you and gain from you, right,
Speaker 6: and even try to take your your businesses. You know,
Speaker 6: they'll think that they own you. So I've always making
Speaker 6: it very clear that the tab is not for sale.
Speaker 6: You can do business with me, but you.
Speaker 2: Don't own me and you don't own my brand. Right. So, uh,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 6: And you just got to be very careful with business
Speaker 6: and with who you do business with. You cannot trust everybody.
Speaker 6: You cannot trust everybody.
Speaker 3: Okay, you hurt no matter.
Speaker 1: What they say, no matter what they say, no matter what,
Speaker 1: no matter what color, either, no.
Speaker 6: Matter they can look like you or not. But you
Speaker 6: cannot trust everybody.
Speaker 1: I get, Okay, you're doing doing spices. I get everything
Speaker 1: you make your spices, most spices are created. But how
Speaker 1: do you get in teld you with a lab to
Speaker 1: try to do a haircare line product that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden people ain't looking like Kojak, women ain't looking
Speaker 1: like Kojak because that's the last thing that you want.
Speaker 6: I mean, you won't believe this because it's another job.
Speaker 6: It's not on their ice working contract manufacturing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I know you born in Jamaicon you you born
Speaker 1: a jam You had no way you got detailed twelve jobs.
Speaker 2: I did that for like five years. It was for
Speaker 2: you know, wellness and beauty products.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so I already knew that.
Speaker 3: So you had a background. You had a background, and
Speaker 3: so you understood.
Speaker 2: I understood it. I understood the lab.
Speaker 6: I understood you know, testing, I understood formulation, I understood
Speaker 6: shipping and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, Master P is always preaching about product. So
Speaker 1: what do you what do you love? Because it's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta make money while you sleep. You cannot meant
Speaker 1: you got to get your rest and you can't cook
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day and you can't make beauty
Speaker 1: supplies twenty four hours a day. So what is what
Speaker 1: is Tabatha most proud of? What she's been able toccomplished
Speaker 1: thus far.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think the thing I'm most proud of is
Speaker 6: that I've done it all just being me. That's that's
Speaker 6: my biggest accomplishment, never conforming in the season of my life, right,
Speaker 6: you know, I think I really that's it, you know.
Speaker 6: And also family is the most important thing to me, yes,
Speaker 6: you know, being a wife and being a mother and
Speaker 6: never sacrificing anything over there, like that's I'm most proud
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 1: Being an next professional athlete, I felt that I had
Speaker 1: to sacrifice, that I missed a lot of things with
Speaker 1: my kids that I probably shouldn't have, but I felt
Speaker 1: that if I didn't, I would always look back and
Speaker 1: say that if I'd didn't, if i'd have studied, if
Speaker 1: I'd have worked hard, if I had have trained harder,
Speaker 1: I'd have missed something.
Speaker 3: It seems to me that You've done.
Speaker 1: A great job of not only being there for your
Speaker 1: husband and for your kids, but also being able to
Speaker 1: go full steam ahead and accomplish Was that a big
Speaker 1: part of what you want? Like, I'm not sacrificing any
Speaker 1: part of my family to make one extra dollar for me.
Speaker 6: I'm blessed because I have a husband who's my partner,
Speaker 6: who literally says, babe, go I got it, you know,
Speaker 6: And I have that. So when I leave, I know
Speaker 6: that my children are taking care of the now.
Speaker 2: We only have my son in the house.
Speaker 6: You know, my daughter is grown now, but I know
Speaker 6: I have a safe space for my son and he
Speaker 6: knows that mommy is working.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to major things, I'm not missing it, right.
Speaker 2: I don't care how much money it is.
Speaker 6: If my son is about to graduate fifth grade, and
Speaker 6: I looked at the calendar and it was like what
Speaker 6: y'all put on my calendar on this day?
Speaker 2: I can't go wow, Like, no, it's this amount of money.
Speaker 2: I don't care. He gonna graduate one time from fifth grade.
Speaker 6: I can make money any day, right, So it's those
Speaker 6: major things that are important to me and my husband
Speaker 6: take Like, I also still am human, so I'll even
Speaker 6: have parent guilt where I'm like, I miss being able
Speaker 6: to take him to school every day. We literally was
Speaker 6: just having this conversation. I miss the normalcy that I
Speaker 6: used to be able to do. I used to take myself,
Speaker 6: my son, and my daughter to school every morning, pick
Speaker 6: them up, make their lunches, cook dinner every day.
Speaker 2: That was my life for a very long time.
Speaker 1: But you understood that that's part of the sacrifice, that
Speaker 1: those are some of the things that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to give up in order to accomplish what god di
Speaker 1: vision that God gave you and set you out on
Speaker 1: this journey. You understood that there were some of the
Speaker 1: things You're gonna have to give up.
Speaker 6: I'm understanding it every day, right. It doesn't mean I
Speaker 6: enjoyed that feeling every day. Sometime I miss it, But
Speaker 6: I also look at my life and how blessed I am,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm still doing a different
Speaker 6: type of work that my family is reaping the benefit.
Speaker 1: You secured over fifty six major brand deal, Dunk and Donuts, Cybro,
Speaker 1: Pizza Plan.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just have so much going on.
Speaker 1: So how does Tabitha walk into a room you know
Speaker 1: your worth you know, they want to come in and
Speaker 1: give you twenty five percent of what your worth is.
Speaker 1: So how do you go in the room says now
Speaker 1: it's worth more than that. I still be Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 6: What I say, I'll be letting them get everything out.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so, this is nice. Thank y'all
Speaker 2: for letting me come. But you know where it's gonna
Speaker 2: be aenough for me? I'm so grateful for.
Speaker 3: Yes, I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for thinking of tails. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 2: yeah it's a tail.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then they come back and say it's okay.
Speaker 1: So Ms Brown, how do how do we make this
Speaker 1: partnership work? Well, we start by this what you say
Speaker 1: at the beginning, That about how it's gonna go.
Speaker 6: You know, for me, depending on what it is, Sometimes
Speaker 6: it ain't about the money, right. Sometimes it's just about
Speaker 6: whatever it is. I'm like, this don't serve me right.
Speaker 6: There's no amount of money that's gonna make it serve
Speaker 6: me right. And then when it comes to the money,
Speaker 6: this is the thing that you always have to realize,
Speaker 6: there's no amount of money enough for what I deserve.
Speaker 6: It's only like, I'm priceless, right, Okay, okay, it's what
Speaker 6: I will accept. Oh right, there's no amount of money
Speaker 6: you can offer me that. It's what I'm worth.
Speaker 2: I'm worth.
Speaker 6: I am priceless, but there's an amount that i'll accept
Speaker 6: to partner with you and work with you.
Speaker 2: That's the difference. And so I just have to make
Speaker 2: a decision do I want that or not.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: I'm priceless, you are priceless, but.
Speaker 3: For a nominal fee, I'll be read in the partner.
Speaker 2: With That's it?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's your that's that's your mindset going into it.
Speaker 1: You do you have a do you have a normally
Speaker 1: when you go into a deal, do you have a
Speaker 1: dollar amount? Do you have a Have you surprised yourself
Speaker 1: with some of the things that you've been able to negotiate?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, Yeah, you know, I definitely.
Speaker 6: I remember, like one of the first times of asketball
Speaker 6: a crazy amount of money just to see what they
Speaker 6: was gonna say. And then when they said yes, I said, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that your husband.
Speaker 2: Are No he would have been like yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was good with that. Shoot, but we're gonna go
Speaker 2: on and take but you know next time, you know so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you hosted a vegan competition, so you only
Speaker 1: eat vegan. You have to sold you how much of
Speaker 1: your time is sitting around trying to come up with
Speaker 1: different vegan recipes because, like you say, you cooked so much.
Speaker 3: But you have to understand.
Speaker 1: Because people, most people have eating meat all their life,
Speaker 1: and to get them to try this and to make
Speaker 1: them like it, because that's the thing. People eat what
Speaker 1: they like, that's right, And so how do you like? Okay,
Speaker 1: you just go in the kitchen, like, babe, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go in the kitchen. I'm gonna see what I can
Speaker 1: come up with. Tonight, I'm gonna see what I can
Speaker 1: come up with the day. Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2: It just come up it literally throughout the day.
Speaker 6: If I got a taste for something, that's what I'm
Speaker 6: gonna make, okay, right, And sometimes I'll dream a recipe.
Speaker 6: One of my most successful recipes is when I dreamt
Speaker 6: and I woke up the morning, did a video and said, yeah,
Speaker 6: let me say about the dream I had.
Speaker 2: It was a vegan devil the eggs, and in the dream.
Speaker 3: I was like, but with eggs, but they're real eggs right.
Speaker 2: Now, they're mushrooms.
Speaker 6: I took the white mushrooms because I did this in
Speaker 6: the dream and I was like, I don't know, but
Speaker 6: I'm gonna see if it's gonna.
Speaker 3: So you so you can't eat the animal product.
Speaker 2: I do not know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I want you little she got
Speaker 1: to go on this journey alone.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't you know.
Speaker 6: When I first did it, I did it to save
Speaker 6: my life, right and now after six years of being vegan,
Speaker 6: it becomes a thought where I now connect the animals
Speaker 6: to the food. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, Now I ain't
Speaker 6: gonna lie to you though I still miss a crab leg.
Speaker 2: Do you you know how people count? She crab legs?
Speaker 6: In my sleep, I'll be telling people, you know, during
Speaker 6: the day when I'm awake, I'm vegan, but when I'm
Speaker 6: sleeping pescatary because I be eating crab legs and dreams.
Speaker 3: What about ice cream?
Speaker 1: You don't, I mean, you don't miss sweets, so like
Speaker 1: like cake and cookie?
Speaker 2: Do you all that stuff? You still can eat.
Speaker 6: You just don't use real eggs, and you don't use
Speaker 6: there's vegan butter, there's vegan milk, there's all this stuff. Honey,
Speaker 6: I can You're gonna have to come to the house
Speaker 6: and eat okay, but I don't bake. I'm not a baker,
Speaker 6: and I was already allergic to milk.
Speaker 1: Like most of the yeah, most of the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep If I think I'm gonna eat something that
Speaker 1: has there it, I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3: Keep black tape.
Speaker 2: Say that again.
Speaker 3: If I think I'm gonna eat something there, I keep
Speaker 3: lac tape with me.
Speaker 1: Why we do that cause I like iron creams sometimes
Speaker 1: and I want to eat some cheese if I.
Speaker 3: Wanted some cheese.
Speaker 2: But why do you have to keep the lac tape?
Speaker 1: Because what happens my stummach that it don't agree with
Speaker 1: my stomach, but know why, but it'll agree with me time.
Speaker 3: I'll tell my stomach shut up, I'm gonna eat this.
Speaker 6: But there are other options for you so that you
Speaker 6: could still get all the tastes that you're looking for
Speaker 6: without the bubble.
Speaker 1: Good well, Hollywood, and now we did have some bigger
Speaker 1: We have some bigger barbecue.
Speaker 3: Then with Hollywood, Hollywood tore it up. He tore it up.
Speaker 6: There are options. I'm to get you on some old
Speaker 6: ice cream or some cashew ice cream.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Hollywood. You down, I'm telling you, it's very good.
Speaker 3: I would let Hollywood go be the guinea pig hood.
Speaker 1: You had a restaurant, but you never opened it.
Speaker 2: We closed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was too many problems with the building, the
Speaker 6: landlord another thing where I say, you can't trust everybody.
Speaker 6: Or we had to close it down because it was
Speaker 6: just too much damage that he would not fix.
Speaker 1: Right, So is opening another restaurant? Is that something that
Speaker 1: you would like to do?
Speaker 6: I think if I do, because that was a partnership
Speaker 6: that I partner, would kill my name, kill my name.
Speaker 2: I love the restaurant.
Speaker 6: It's still open in Chicago, and so I just partner
Speaker 6: with him to open that one here in la If
Speaker 6: I do it again, it has to be my restaurant, right.
Speaker 1: Obviously, But are you Is it going to be like breakfast,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be lunch, It's gonna be brun Oh.
Speaker 6: H you know, I gotta I have to make a
Speaker 6: decision to do it first. I think my the big
Speaker 6: vision that I have would be like a retreat. And
Speaker 6: on the location of the retreat, like you know in
Speaker 6: oasis or where you can come, there would be kind
Speaker 6: of like a bed and breakfast there, but like a
Speaker 6: homehouse where you can come for breakfast and you can
Speaker 6: come for dinner type of thing.
Speaker 2: But that's like a vision that I have for later.
Speaker 3: Have a company ever tried to change the way you
Speaker 3: do content?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, even after when after the success that they've
Speaker 1: seen you enjoy, they're still willing to try to change
Speaker 1: what you do how you do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, but people are crazy in the world.
Speaker 3: But they don't but they know what they.
Speaker 6: They love you and then they say, we love exactly
Speaker 6: what you do.
Speaker 2: Now we want to show you this video.
Speaker 6: And then they play the video and people don't look
Speaker 6: like me, and they say, if you could do it
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like this, No, there you go. Yeah, yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Do people when they look at you?
Speaker 1: I think the thing is and sometimes people are all
Speaker 1: saying is that people take kindness for weakness. You have
Speaker 1: a smile all the time. You seem to be a
Speaker 1: very outgoing and very personable person. Do you think people
Speaker 1: take that as a weakness and try to try to
Speaker 1: get over on you all the time.
Speaker 6: But I'm very smart, but they will try it and
Speaker 6: I let them.
Speaker 1: I like the do you get up does she I
Speaker 1: would ask him, I was asking me to do you
Speaker 1: get upset?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: But how do you? But but you all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's like, guys, y'all know I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to do that right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it takes a lot to get me
Speaker 2: up right.
Speaker 6: Okay, Most times when it comes to like that type
Speaker 6: of stuff, it's not gonna upset me. It's just a
Speaker 6: matter of, Oh, I'm so sorry that you didn't see
Speaker 6: me for me.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I hope you found what you're
Speaker 2: looking for, right, right, But that's not something that.
Speaker 3: That's not that doesn't get you upset.
Speaker 6: Things upset me is when you mess with my family,
Speaker 6: you mess with my money and my time, right because
Speaker 6: I use all those things for my family and for myself.
Speaker 1: So how is it that, I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: you know, and content creators. What you do, what you do,
Speaker 1: there's a very large there's a space for it, but
Speaker 1: it's a limited people that's in that space. How is it?
Speaker 1: Are you guys friendly? Are you receptive to one another?
Speaker 1: Is it cutthroat?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: And I love everybody. That's enough room for everybody, right,
Speaker 2: So I never compared myself to anybody.
Speaker 6: I don't really care what nobody else do. I applaud everybody, right,
Speaker 6: we all did.
Speaker 1: So since they print money, we shouldn't try to cut,
Speaker 1: backstab and undermind somebody else to get to keep.
Speaker 6: God asked for me is for me. What He has
Speaker 6: for you is for you. There's nothing we can do
Speaker 6: to stop that.
Speaker 1: So what God is saying for for me? Even Hollywood?
Speaker 1: You heard that, Hollywood, You heard that, Hollywood. So but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna break this is not interrupt
Speaker 1: the normal schedule programming.
Speaker 3: We know vegan. When we hear vegan, we think of
Speaker 3: someone that doesn't look like you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: When I listened back in the day, and I said
Speaker 6: this many times. When I used to hear the word vegan,
Speaker 6: I thought that it was for white women who did yoga,
Speaker 6: right I did, and nobody was really vegan.
Speaker 2: I heard a vegetarian right right, right, right right.
Speaker 6: And then I thought, well, if that's not the case,
Speaker 6: it's the people who walk around picketing, you know, and
Speaker 6: they were in the you know, the blood all over
Speaker 6: them and doing the type of activist and I didn't
Speaker 6: want to do that. And so I knew that when
Speaker 6: I made the decision to become vegan. I wanted to
Speaker 6: be a source of a different type of life, and
Speaker 6: so I always wanted to be approachable, and I wanted
Speaker 6: people to be curious and to want to try it,
Speaker 6: and so I did it with love and laughter and
Speaker 6: a little bit of comedy but informative. So I have
Speaker 6: probably converted I can, of course, can't you eat a
Speaker 6: number but more people than any you know, traditional activists,
Speaker 6: more people than you can imagine coming to miss I'm
Speaker 6: vegan because of you. I eat plant based me and
Speaker 6: my family eat plant based now because of you. And
Speaker 6: I'm like that I've never told anybody in the last
Speaker 6: six years. I've never told not one person you need
Speaker 6: to go vegan.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: So how do you So when you're home, do you
Speaker 1: cook vegan for you and cook him bacon?
Speaker 6: I used to when when I first went begin that
Speaker 6: first year, I was cooking like them two meals and
Speaker 6: I was like, I can't keep doing that. So then
Speaker 6: I just figured out how to make all our favorite
Speaker 6: things vegan and make it good.
Speaker 2: And everybody loved it.
Speaker 6: So all my favorite non vegan things, I turned them
Speaker 6: into vegan meals.
Speaker 3: So he got to go out.
Speaker 1: So you got to go out and get it if
Speaker 1: you want a steak, or if you want to burgers
Speaker 1: or chicken.
Speaker 6: But he don't eat that. He's chicken and fish, but
Speaker 6: he can order it or.
Speaker 2: You. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at athletes have turned big and Chris Paul, Kyrie, Irving, Venus,
Speaker 1: William Lizzo. So I'm trying to figure out, man, how
Speaker 1: would I be able to keep my musculature and stay
Speaker 1: you know strong?
Speaker 2: You ever seen a gorilla?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What you think they eat?
Speaker 1: They you grassed, but the four hundred pounds of it.
Speaker 1: But I think in the beginning had but that's all
Speaker 1: they eat. I think the thing is if who had
Speaker 1: never gotten to taste, it's hard to miss what you've
Speaker 1: never tasted.
Speaker 2: Well, yes and no.
Speaker 6: I think that you have to have a very specific why.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Eventually you're not gonna do dairy anymore because you're not
Speaker 6: gonna like how it continues to.
Speaker 2: Make you feel. Okay, if meat was killing me, i'd
Speaker 2: be crazy to keep eating.
Speaker 3: That is correct, right.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times we are reactive people.
Speaker 6: We do things out of something happening, so we react
Speaker 6: to it instead of being proactive practice.
Speaker 2: We wait.
Speaker 6: Many times we wait until we get sick before we
Speaker 6: try to get better, right, instead of just saying, let
Speaker 6: me be proactively trying to make sure I'm as healthy
Speaker 6: as I can be. And so when it comes to
Speaker 6: me my why was life or death? I chose life.
Speaker 6: And then I also got it in my mind. I
Speaker 6: was like, I just don't want to eat dead animals anymore.
Speaker 6: I just don't like the thought of it anymore. Right,
Speaker 6: I don't even like the smell of it. When it's raw.
Speaker 6: It turns my stomach. Now, I ain't gonna lie to
Speaker 6: you how I can smell a cook out of my
Speaker 6: way and be like, Lord, have mercy, somebody is cooking.
Speaker 6: But you know, that's the difference in not thinking about
Speaker 6: what you see. But there's there's definitely a way to
Speaker 6: incorporate it and form new habits, right, And I always
Speaker 6: tell people this to don't look at it as though
Speaker 6: you're taking something away from yourself. Look at it as though, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm giving myself something new to try.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gaining six months, six years to my life.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way you look at it. That's the
Speaker 1: way because you said you had had you let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, had you not had the autoimmune. Had
Speaker 1: you not had the headache for a year and seven months,
Speaker 1: had you not had the lethargy, would you do you
Speaker 1: believe you to go on vegan?
Speaker 6: No, I didn't have a reason right, not necessarily, but
Speaker 6: I may have eventually only because oh I heard vegans
Speaker 6: be skinny.
Speaker 2: But then I got vegan and got pig because now
Speaker 2: their lives, because now I be eating and eating right.
Speaker 2: And also I don't eat to look a certain way.
Speaker 2: I used to starve myself.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question, could you do
Speaker 1: you believe you can be a vegan in rural North
Speaker 1: Carolina because a lot of it, because it gets hard
Speaker 1: because you in California, you have a lot of options.
Speaker 1: In carol and in Canada you don't have those same options,
Speaker 1: especially in rural South Carolina, Georgia or the rural parts
Speaker 1: of the South.
Speaker 6: I could be a better vegan in rural North Carolina
Speaker 6: really because.
Speaker 3: You grow your food right.
Speaker 2: Most of our you know, parents and grandparents were mostly vegan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ate what they grew, They ate.
Speaker 6: What they grew, and meat was a delicacy. They only
Speaker 6: had it on the weekend. Yes, my daddy was one
Speaker 6: of twelve My daddy always, he said, you know, until
Speaker 6: you became BigGAN, I never thought about it.
Speaker 2: But we only ate chicken on Sundays, he said, we
Speaker 2: only ate pento beans and from the.
Speaker 3: Green during the week. Right, Well, you know we have
Speaker 3: some We know we have fat back in green though.
Speaker 3: You know we had a fat back. We had to
Speaker 3: have a fat bathroom.
Speaker 2: That's all there, y'all had.
Speaker 3: That was special occasion. Though you did, you didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 6: Get it all the time yet absolutely, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, I think this is the part of the show.
Speaker 3: We probably should invite your husband.
Speaker 2: Bring them on in the room.
Speaker 3: You sit right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no backs right there now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not gonna be You're not gonna be able
Speaker 3: to leave back.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They stay behind Every great man is a
Speaker 1: great woman. But I think behind every great woman that's
Speaker 1: like your wife, that has to be a great man
Speaker 1: because you have to be secure enough in yourself because
Speaker 1: you kind of become the afterthought.
Speaker 3: And you seem to be very very okay with that.
Speaker 1: You guys have been together over twenty five years, been
Speaker 1: together for twenty years when.
Speaker 3: You started dating her, did you see y'all here?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not? You know what it had, I didn't really
Speaker 5: have much vision. People always ask me about it, you know,
Speaker 5: very similar questions, and I always say I wouldn't with
Speaker 5: her for that, right. I was with tab because of
Speaker 5: how she made me feel right, right, And yes, I
Speaker 5: thought she was a little crazy. I was attracted to crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the difference, a right. So I'm with her because
Speaker 5: of my attraction to that crazy. When she would.
Speaker 3: Tell me.
Speaker 5: One day, I'm gonna be on TV one day, you
Speaker 5: know whatever, I would get tickled. I would tackle because
Speaker 5: I can look in her eyes and you really believe this, right,
Speaker 5: And it made her happy. It made her really really happy,
Speaker 5: a happiness that I kind of I wish that I
Speaker 5: could tap into from my own childhood. And I remember,
Speaker 5: I remember feeling like what I've seen in her eyes,
Speaker 5: and I'm saying, man, at some point in my life,
Speaker 5: I lost that while you're a true believer of what
Speaker 5: you're saying. So whatever it was, I was like, I
Speaker 5: didn't really try to believe it. I just wanted to
Speaker 5: keep her happy and say, all right, man, let's go
Speaker 5: for yo, as long as it's not hurting us.
Speaker 3: Even though you might have not believed in it.
Speaker 1: You never told her that You're like, baby, that sounds
Speaker 1: like a good idea.
Speaker 3: I think you can do it.
Speaker 5: Yep, I would, I would, And then it would be
Speaker 5: times where I'd be like, all right, dam wait a minute,
Speaker 5: hold up. Like the story she told you about moving,
Speaker 5: I'm always up to thinking. My thinking was what a
Speaker 5: we currently doing right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Can it hurt us? Can your vision or this dream
Speaker 5: or this thing that you believe in? Can it hurt us?
Speaker 5: If we ain't currently doing anything better? And what you're
Speaker 5: saying can't hurt us, Let's try it. Let's go for it,
Speaker 5: right right, It's not gonna hurt us. So let's put
Speaker 5: a plan together. As long as we got a plan
Speaker 5: and we got each other and ain't nothing else going on,
Speaker 5: let's go do it. Let's try it.
Speaker 1: You guys started dating, if you could say, the eighth
Speaker 1: grade is dating in the eighth grade, when you.
Speaker 3: Saw him for the very first time, what did you think?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: I saw him way before eighth grade. We known each
Speaker 6: other since about what fifth grade? And so I thought
Speaker 6: it was cute with his little curly hair and stuff.
Speaker 6: But he was mean, That's what I thought he was.
Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, he got a little attitude.
Speaker 3: Okay, you like I'm it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But then in eighth grade, you know, he was playing
Speaker 6: football and I was the football manager.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a job in eighth grade, Damp,
Speaker 2: and so when we would.
Speaker 6: Do the bus rides, I just would be looking at
Speaker 6: him like, you know, the eye contacted.
Speaker 2: I was like kind of like him.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Did you know she liked you? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I was kind of popular back the father. That's the man.
Speaker 3: You okay, you a popping man. I was a man.
Speaker 2: He was. He was a mad everybody like chance. Okay.
Speaker 2: He had a girlfriend though what and I had a
Speaker 2: little boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, get good.
Speaker 2: We went to we went to a birthday part.
Speaker 6: Uh, y'all came separate, left together, came separate, and we
Speaker 6: ended up kissing at the birthday.
Speaker 1: Damp, Damp, Come on, Chances. We had a minute that
Speaker 1: a minute. I'm talking about you.
Speaker 6: You came for somebody and y'all because he didn't want her,
Speaker 6: no way he did.
Speaker 3: It seemed like you want.
Speaker 2: Thrill was gone in those eighth grade relationships.
Speaker 3: This was the thing the eighth grade dance.
Speaker 2: Listen, but this is the funny thing.
Speaker 6: His girlfriend was happy he broke up because she likes
Speaker 6: somebody else to My boyfriend was a little hurt.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 5: Look junior high crush.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she is.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a man back bed. But you
Speaker 2: know I broke up with him in eighth grade.
Speaker 3: Hold on, you kids, break up with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: He's still he's still all these years, he still hold on.
Speaker 5: To this my whole life, almost all the eighth grade.
Speaker 6: But my sister, she older than me, she's six years old,
Speaker 6: and she said, listen, you about to go to ninth
Speaker 6: grade to the high school.
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of boys over there. You don't want
Speaker 2: a little boyfriend.
Speaker 6: So I told him, I said, listen, we gotta break
Speaker 6: up because my sister says, a lot of boys over
Speaker 6: it high school. I got to see what's out there.
Speaker 6: And so he hated me for breaking up. That's why,
Speaker 6: you know in high school he wouldn't even speak to me.
Speaker 6: But that's how I ended up. I have a stepdaughter
Speaker 6: because he had a baby in high school.
Speaker 2: So I always tell him to see, I'll let you
Speaker 2: go and now see if I.
Speaker 3: Had a we had to say together, that's a great
Speaker 3: way to transition.
Speaker 1: I remember I read an interview where you told your
Speaker 1: mom you would never marry You would never date a man,
Speaker 1: let alone marry a man with a child.
Speaker 2: Very true.
Speaker 3: What changed?
Speaker 2: I was fifteen.
Speaker 6: We were at a basketball game at high school and
Speaker 6: I remember he couldn't stand me, right, and so uh
Speaker 6: at the game, you my mom would sit on the
Speaker 6: bleachers and he walked up and he was standing on
Speaker 6: the corner of the wall with his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: They all day, you did perfect. You want to understand
Speaker 3: you you got your little kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't have to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even think about her when told when she
Speaker 5: told me the story, yeah, years later, I remember it right,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think of about it.
Speaker 6: And I looked and I just I like rolled my
Speaker 6: eyes like, m you know whatever. And my mama was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know why you're doing that. I was like,
Speaker 6: she was like, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: She said, that little girl gonna get pregnant and they're
Speaker 6: gonna have a baby. But that's your husband. I said, oh, well,
Speaker 6: you gonna know me because I would never marry men
Speaker 6: with kids. That's what I'm supposed to think at fifteen, right,
Speaker 6: And so Mama was right. She was right on graduation day.
Speaker 6: Years later, on graduation day, my mama came.
Speaker 2: To me and she said, go get chance.
Speaker 6: I want y'all to have a picture with y'all was
Speaker 6: Captain gown I'm gonna used to sitt y'all with.
Speaker 2: And I said, would you stop? Why would you say
Speaker 2: something weird like that?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 5: My mother loves my biggest fan. She loved Chanes. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she was my biggest fan.
Speaker 2: And she used that picture that.
Speaker 5: I went, yeah, and she was gifted too.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your mom saw something that you didn't see at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: You had like you'd have broke over me. You ain't
Speaker 3: want me. So yeah, you did your thing.
Speaker 1: And here all these years fifth grade, So your fifth
Speaker 1: grade you're probably what eleven years old, twelve years old?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that time. You guys.
Speaker 6: From the same hometown. Yeah, the same small small city.
Speaker 6: But I would see him in high school. I would
Speaker 6: always have this like little pain in my stomach when
Speaker 6: I would see him.
Speaker 2: It was like a feeling.
Speaker 5: I always tell us guilt. He said, it was, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's guilt, That's.
Speaker 3: What that is.
Speaker 6: But I went to college and in Miami. He went
Speaker 6: to college in North Carolina, and so I was there
Speaker 6: and one night. I woke up in the middle of
Speaker 6: the night. He was the only person I could think about,
Speaker 6: and I was like, just thinking about all the years
Speaker 6: that I would see him, and I had this pain
Speaker 6: in my stomach. And we had kind of became friends
Speaker 6: again in our senior year, and I just had this
Speaker 6: thought of, like, I think I'm in love with him.
Speaker 6: And so I found his number in the middle of
Speaker 6: the night. By the time I called him, it was
Speaker 6: about three thirty four in the morning, and I called
Speaker 6: his kept calling the room.
Speaker 2: His roommate answered.
Speaker 6: I was like, I need to beat the chance brows
Speaker 6: and emergency. And so when he got on the phone,
Speaker 6: I was like, I know this might sound crazy. I
Speaker 6: was like, but I think I'm in love with you.
Speaker 6: I was like, So I just told him. I was like,
Speaker 6: all these years I would see you, and I would
Speaker 6: have this pain in my stomach. I was like, I'm
Speaker 6: thinking about all these different things, and if you don't
Speaker 6: think I'm crazy coming back to Marge's number, he ain't
Speaker 6: say nothing on the phone, and then I.
Speaker 5: I had to start out a little bit.
Speaker 2: I waited all day.
Speaker 3: A little bit. But yeah, but obviously you had felt
Speaker 3: the exact same way. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: The crazy thing is I held on to it my
Speaker 5: entire high school school years, right, And I would see her,
Speaker 5: I see her in passing, and it was always something
Speaker 5: about this one particular girl who always she's always been
Speaker 5: full of joy like and it was a feeling that
Speaker 5: that I always say that only my mom could give
Speaker 5: me like it make me feel like I can do anything.
Speaker 5: That's what I remember about the entire time. Now, I
Speaker 5: didn't start living a whole different life. I'm in college
Speaker 5: and went through high school playing sports popular by my
Speaker 5: own means, right, and nobody could ever make me feel
Speaker 5: like that besides my mam and this one particular girl.
Speaker 5: And this was now after a few incidents. But I
Speaker 5: like to say, you know things that where a lot
Speaker 5: of people had kind of started looking at me as
Speaker 5: being problematic. Right, So you got somebody who still got
Speaker 5: no no marks on their record, got their whole life
Speaker 5: ahead of them, right, and she still admiring your boy.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, man, this girl still got that little
Speaker 5: bit of crazy in her that I just I can't kick.
Speaker 5: It's crazy for you to call me after four years
Speaker 5: in the middle of the night and say what you
Speaker 5: said on the phone to me. That was crazy, but
Speaker 5: I was attracted to it. I was like, man, this
Speaker 5: girl still this girl weird. But I can't kick it.
Speaker 3: I'm a caller. So I called it, hey, and so
Speaker 3: would you call the phone? Damn chaying what did you say?
Speaker 5: First? She had a she had a roommate that didn't
Speaker 5: speak English. She was in Miami and I called her
Speaker 5: and I just remember the roommate answer in the phone,
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to say her name like she and
Speaker 5: I'm like making like this, this can't be. I got
Speaker 5: the number wrong, and she I could tell when she
Speaker 5: grabbed the phone. She got on the phone excited.
Speaker 2: I had been waiting by the year all day on that.
Speaker 3: But you we were gonna call it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when she got on the phone, I just
Speaker 5: I kept it. I tried to keep it.
Speaker 3: You try to keep it g D.
Speaker 5: I tried to guy's like, hey, you called me, Yeah,
Speaker 5: say did you.
Speaker 2: Really call me at four o'clock in the morning. I
Speaker 2: was like, yep.
Speaker 5: And I ain't want to be jumping out there, so
Speaker 5: I just let her do the most, you know. But
Speaker 5: in my head, I'm like I had told my homeboys
Speaker 5: that in college. I was like I had one friend
Speaker 5: who I can always.
Speaker 3: You know that one friend.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm telling him all the reasons why.
Speaker 3: The whole day.
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, this girl call me. I'm about trying
Speaker 5: to live my life, and now you want to come
Speaker 5: and get your boy back. I'm bating like I'm somebody.
Speaker 5: He was, and he waited and he waited.
Speaker 3: My boy tied.
Speaker 5: I love him to this day.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: He said, you scared, fool man, You're gonna call her?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Nah, I ain't gonna call her. I waited
Speaker 5: till the end of the day, the end of the day,
Speaker 5: and I called her, you know, and I knew I
Speaker 5: was you know what I mean, Like it was just
Speaker 5: one of those where I was like, I don't want
Speaker 5: to be this dude. You know that ego thing right
Speaker 5: right right right?
Speaker 3: I called her.
Speaker 5: I called her, and here we are twenty five years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is marriage everything you thought it would be?
Speaker 3: You too thought it would be.
Speaker 2: It is nothing that we thought it would be.
Speaker 3: Is that good? Or Man?
Speaker 1: It's good because you guys make it sound so perfect.
Speaker 1: But there has to be some disagreements at some point?
Speaker 1: What what about the fairy tale? For feel grade and
Speaker 1: I hertale no, no, no, See, don't.
Speaker 5: Be confused about okay, marriage, See what you know what,
Speaker 5: I didn't come from a house. I didn't come from
Speaker 5: a family of marriage, But I ain't have no understanding
Speaker 5: of what marriage was. Right, her parents were married and
Speaker 5: you know, church going, you know that, you know, so
Speaker 5: I didn't have an understanding of what marriage was. So
Speaker 5: when you asked a question, I'm like, I had this
Speaker 5: ridiculous idea. This really just male perspective of what marriage is.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna have this. It's gonna
Speaker 5: I ain't gotta be out here chasing this because it's
Speaker 5: at the house. That was really in simple what it was,
Speaker 5: but as we uh, as we grew together, it became
Speaker 5: something completely different. It became you know that, that's my
Speaker 5: best friend. You know, that's that that's that unconditional thing,
Speaker 5: that's that thing to where even when I'm in I'm
Speaker 5: not ready to hear what she's saying, I got to
Speaker 5: revisit it. And now it's a possibility that she could
Speaker 5: be right. This is the one, this is this is
Speaker 5: the person, the one person on this earth, even outside
Speaker 5: of my mom. Right now, my mom, I'm always right,
Speaker 5: I'm a baby feel but this is the one person
Speaker 5: that's gonna that has no interest in trying to backdoor
Speaker 5: me or get one over on me. I gotta consider it.
Speaker 5: And that's invaluable, you know what I mean. That's you know,
Speaker 5: so I started to learn what marriage truly is. And
Speaker 5: also in the aspect of it's it's like a fortune
Speaker 5: five hundred company, you know what I mean. It's that
Speaker 5: thing to where you say, look, if you don't take
Speaker 5: pride in anything else, you should be able to take
Speaker 5: pride in this companion that is building your legacy, you know,
Speaker 5: where your kids will be able to a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't have. Like I'm listening to your interview with
Speaker 5: my wife, right, and you asked her a question, what's
Speaker 5: the one thing that you're most proud of?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: I knew she was gonna say that, right. But what
Speaker 5: I value out of all of this that I didn't
Speaker 5: have growing up is that my great grandkids will be
Speaker 5: able to go and find something with the Brown family
Speaker 5: to name on it. They'll be able to say, my
Speaker 5: great grandmama, she wrote two books. My great grandma got
Speaker 5: nominated for this. My great grandmama is the reason I'm
Speaker 5: able to go to this nice school. My great, I
Speaker 5: ain't have none of that. Those things right there is
Speaker 5: what marriage turned out to be, and more important than
Speaker 5: what I thought marriage was about, was you know those
Speaker 5: male ego driven dumb things and materialistic things from the South.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the marriage when you got home to meal was
Speaker 1: on the table, the wife cook, clean, did all those things,
Speaker 1: and what.
Speaker 3: The man said.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it was in your house, but
Speaker 1: what the man said when it wasn't. No, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: think about it. Let's talk this through. He said, we
Speaker 1: going to church. We went the church, he said, we
Speaker 1: go in here, we going there. But I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: It really is a fifty to fifty yes, And that's
Speaker 1: what I treasure that the most. I don't have to
Speaker 1: carry all that weight. So you know how you started
Speaker 1: with me being able to play the back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have no issue with that. I have no
Speaker 5: issue with that because.
Speaker 1: Because you but you know a lot of men would
Speaker 1: a lot of men would feel emasculated if their wife
Speaker 1: or their significant other because yo, she said, hey, you're
Speaker 1: the police officer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, set that down. Yep.
Speaker 5: I got a baby, and that's because of that little
Speaker 5: bit of crazy right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So look, so from the very beginning, I'm not lying
Speaker 5: to you. Ill could literally come in the house and
Speaker 5: tell my wife I wanted to be an astronaut and
Speaker 5: the next day she's gonna have a paperwork everything late.
Speaker 5: It's because support. That's the kind of support that I
Speaker 5: got from my wife. Right, I'm order to suit forman
Speaker 5: and say, look, she was that kind of crazy, right,
Speaker 5: So I got all of that prior to what the
Speaker 5: world see right now. See, they don't know that portion
Speaker 5: of the story, like how she was there supporting me
Speaker 5: and making me feel like an outpa male and king.
Speaker 5: She didn't treat me like a king for the majority
Speaker 5: of our relationship, believing in me.
Speaker 1: When I say, even before they knew who Tabitha Brown was.
Speaker 1: So she was treating you like this before she was Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Tabitha Brown all that I just read the.
Speaker 5: Other day, believing in me, and I need people to
Speaker 5: understand that, believe in when I say, I got us
Speaker 5: right and even when I didn't believe in myself, finding
Speaker 5: a way to get me back up into my belief
Speaker 5: system so that I could take care of my family.
Speaker 5: So she's been playing second so well that I learned
Speaker 5: from her how to do it and what I and
Speaker 5: now I need to be a soldier for her. Right, well,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a soldier for so it's easy for me,
Speaker 5: and especially when it's coming like this in abundance. This up,
Speaker 5: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I read Gabrielle Union. She said her and her husband
Speaker 1: split everything fifty to fifty. And I'm listening to you, guys,
Speaker 1: and you know, marriage is a is a is a
Speaker 1: personal person thing. What works in their marriage might not
Speaker 1: work in this marriage, and it might not work for you, guys.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts to have Let me get
Speaker 1: you first, what are your thoughts on you guys splitting
Speaker 1: things fifty I.
Speaker 6: Don't really know about fifty to fifty because it's one
Speaker 6: hundred one hundred right, right?
Speaker 2: What was mine as his and was his?
Speaker 6: Like we when we started our relationship, we had one
Speaker 6: bank account one right, we both had a deblocard that
Speaker 6: was it was anything in it honey, old draft, the
Speaker 6: old draft, thie. But we you know, that's when we
Speaker 6: both we both was working at the costs in it together, right,
Speaker 6: So all our money went together, We balanced it together.
Speaker 6: We kept a notebook and we would do buildsing the
Speaker 6: notebook and we would talk.
Speaker 5: About what and I said, our real savings. We only
Speaker 5: had that account because it was starting to be a
Speaker 5: part of life where you had That's how you butt.
Speaker 5: Our real savings was in a Nike shoe box.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's always been our money together, right, And now
Speaker 6: we have multiple accounts, but we're both still on them all.
Speaker 2: So there's no money that he doesn't know about it.
Speaker 2: There's no money I don't know about. We just in
Speaker 2: it together.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Worked so to see tab because this is not traditional.
Speaker 1: This is a different way of doing things. Normally, the
Speaker 1: husband goes off the work, the wife stays at home,
Speaker 1: takes care of the kids. Okay, boom, Now you have
Speaker 1: a very non traditional and you, like you said, you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it, bro, I'm cool with it. How
Speaker 1: do you because a lot of times it's the home
Speaker 1: because they always got something say bad. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you let your your woman take care of you, stopping
Speaker 1: all crazy. But because you had known her for so
Speaker 1: long and you guys had been together for so long before,
Speaker 1: it didn't even bother.
Speaker 3: You did it.
Speaker 5: And that's why that's and you just summed it up.
Speaker 5: It didn't. There's I only know one other couple like
Speaker 5: me and my wife that knew each other so long
Speaker 5: and grew up together. So and I really kind of
Speaker 5: keep my circle tight, you know, I don't really, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't really. So I haven't encountered too many people
Speaker 5: in my immediate circle. I've had quite a few people,
Speaker 5: especially when I moved here to La, to kind of
Speaker 5: tell me that we weren't gonna make it, and you know,
Speaker 5: all this because it's just impossible. But I'm a country boy.
Speaker 5: You ain't seen the city yet. You don't know what
Speaker 5: kind of women out here, that type of thing. But
Speaker 5: when I came out here, I came out here with
Speaker 5: a gold and that goal was for us to make
Speaker 5: something out of nothing. Right, So I found my I
Speaker 5: just associated with people who were married, other young people
Speaker 5: who were married, or other people who were married and
Speaker 5: like minded. And when it started tourn you know, going
Speaker 5: left with negative thinking and negative I kind of put
Speaker 5: a wedge in there to protect what I got in
Speaker 5: my household.
Speaker 3: Wow, I heard Steve Harvey had like I said. I
Speaker 3: had him on. He said, blended family is hard.
Speaker 1: How was it you know, your daughter accepting tab and
Speaker 1: tab understanding because I think the thing is that you
Speaker 1: hear a lot of kids you not my mom, you
Speaker 1: not my dad, Like I'm gonna tell your tale of
Speaker 1: like I'm your mom or your dad.
Speaker 3: You better hunt.
Speaker 1: Hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard, It is definitely hard.
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's because of the children, right.
Speaker 6: The adults make things hard, right, really absolutely so for me,
Speaker 6: I've been Leah's stepped since she was two, so she
Speaker 6: don't know nothing else.
Speaker 2: Her parents were never together, right, so she never saw that.
Speaker 2: So all she knows this and it's always been tailed.
Speaker 6: I ain't never like I was a stepmam before I
Speaker 6: was a mother, wow right, I had that role before
Speaker 6: I was a moment so uh, And I always loved it,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: It was always a fun thing for me, and I
Speaker 2: still do. I mean she's good and grown now. She
Speaker 2: about to be twenty eight, so she's grown grown.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and it's hard because of just even two
Speaker 5: with us moving and separating ourselves. There's a culture in
Speaker 5: North Carolina how you raise kids, right, absolutely in the South, Yeah,
Speaker 5: then there's a difference, and we wanted we didn't necessarily
Speaker 5: bring everything with us on how we wanted to raise
Speaker 5: our kids. To La, but we bought a lot of it.
Speaker 5: But there are some indifferences, right, So when those two worlds,
Speaker 5: you know, it's like they collide. The adults have a
Speaker 5: problem yet you get what I mean.
Speaker 6: So we also learned as we as we were parenting
Speaker 6: our children that we had together, we were learning that,
Speaker 6: oh wait, just because this is how it was for us,
Speaker 6: it's gonna work for our kids, right.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of things I want to
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: You can't discipline your kids like you got this going
Speaker 1: to jail, then you're going to jail.
Speaker 3: If it's simplar that you going to jail.
Speaker 6: Right exactly, Like that ain't working. You can't go out
Speaker 6: there and get non switch off the palm tree.
Speaker 3: Okay, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was just different.
Speaker 6: And I think also not being in North Carolina, you know,
Speaker 6: with my stepdaughter she was still living with her mom
Speaker 6: and we were here. Even that was hard, right, But
Speaker 6: we made it, of course work the best that we
Speaker 6: could because we want a lot of us with no money.
Speaker 3: For a chance.
Speaker 1: You're a basketball coach now, mhm, So obviously you like basketball.
Speaker 1: So who's your team.
Speaker 3: Roll with?
Speaker 5: So always say listen wherever he go, I'm going right, right,
Speaker 5: So I don't like the I don't like to claim
Speaker 5: teams right. You know, Lebron, My whole team thing went
Speaker 5: out literally when Mike retired, and then Lebron came in
Speaker 5: and he convinced me that he he was the man
Speaker 5: for the job. And then the new wave of how
Speaker 5: how players move and everything. Yeah, yeah, I rote Lebron
Speaker 5: and I'm wherever he at. That's where I'm at, a.
Speaker 1: Guy that's been in the loser an awful lot lately
Speaker 1: of John Moran. We saw the incidents that he had
Speaker 1: with the guns waving maronal Ig live. If he was
Speaker 1: your son, what type of advice would you give him?
Speaker 1: Because you know, and I tell people this, people don't
Speaker 1: understand this. When the child becomes the provider, it changed
Speaker 1: the dynamic in a relationship because you, as a father,
Speaker 1: you provide. But once he becomes a professional athlete or
Speaker 1: he becomes famous and then he takes over that role,
Speaker 1: the roles have not changed. It shouldn't because the dynamic
Speaker 1: is you're the father, he's the son. But when he
Speaker 1: starts paying for the house, then the cardinals, and he
Speaker 1: starts paying for everything that you have or the family has,
Speaker 1: you kind of treat him differently, even though you.
Speaker 5: Should see I think the mistake is in wherever you
Speaker 5: start treating him differently is where you've already messed up.
Speaker 5: You've already messed up. I don't think that it's okay
Speaker 5: some point the dynamic change with me and my wife
Speaker 5: and no hesitation. When I feel some kind of way,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm a man, right,
Speaker 5: and I value this relationship and our future more so
Speaker 5: than I do anything that this money can do for us.
Speaker 3: So if he was my son, to.
Speaker 5: Answer your question, I would really have to sit down
Speaker 5: and have a heart to heart with my son and
Speaker 5: try to try to find out, man, what is your
Speaker 5: infatuation with guns? And bring him I just I really
Speaker 5: don't understand it, right, I need to and I need
Speaker 5: to get some kind of understanding of why you feel
Speaker 5: the need to one have one to two show it
Speaker 5: off to the world, right. Three What is it that
Speaker 5: you don't understand about this blessing right that.
Speaker 3: Been given to you?
Speaker 5: You you worth? I mean, I don't know, but I
Speaker 5: imagine he worth about two hundred million dollars, right, And
Speaker 5: I would try to probably send some light on him
Speaker 5: of what that really means, so he can so because
Speaker 5: it is too. I don't sometimes think that we I
Speaker 5: think we make an assumption about the youth and that
Speaker 5: they should understand it. I deal with kids, and I'm
Speaker 5: the over explainer.
Speaker 3: I'm the dude.
Speaker 5: I'm the dude that's like, nah, bump that I'm not
Speaker 5: doing what y'all a customer are doing and trying to
Speaker 5: explain and get it done in forty five seconds. Because
Speaker 5: Instagram and social media has now turned the world into
Speaker 5: ninety seconds, let's get it all done. Kids are now
Speaker 5: starting to think that's there, that's the expectation of attentiveness, right.
Speaker 5: I'm nah nah, I'm the dude that's like, no, we're
Speaker 5: gonna talk until I feel like you got it right.
Speaker 5: So he I don't think that he is of understanding
Speaker 5: and taking the type of pride as a young black man,
Speaker 5: strong emphasis on black.
Speaker 3: Man that you are.
Speaker 5: You are now responsible for generations. Okay, let's make it personal.
Speaker 5: If you don't, if it's not that big of a
Speaker 5: deal for you and the kids out in the world
Speaker 5: that you don't know personally, let's sit down and I
Speaker 5: want you to I want you to really think about
Speaker 5: the life that you won't your grandchild have yo now
Speaker 5: his child, and then think about how they gonna view
Speaker 5: you when they go to Like with my wife, I'm
Speaker 5: telling you, that's the most important thing to me. I
Speaker 5: love the fact that we can that. At ninety I
Speaker 5: can envision one of my great grandkids coming to me
Speaker 5: and saying, yeah, man, Grandma, right there, right there, right there.
Speaker 5: They can't lie about it, they can't change it. It's
Speaker 5: right here.
Speaker 3: We got it.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where I will start. It's trying
Speaker 5: to something there because there's a disconnect in the world
Speaker 5: of those type of things where it's like we ain't
Speaker 5: sending the message home. And that's where I would start
Speaker 5: as a dad, like, look, man, I'm proud of you,
Speaker 5: but you need to be proud of yourself. You need
Speaker 5: to you need to own some of this. You need
Speaker 5: to see what this really is. This is and if
Speaker 5: he ain't had a history lesson, he need to get one.
Speaker 5: That's where I will start.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out of here on this one.
Speaker 1: What's your keys to a success in business.
Speaker 2: And in manage oh, honesty.
Speaker 3: In both.
Speaker 6: Right, If I can trust you, we can build amount.
Speaker 6: Right If there's trust there. If we're honest, we can
Speaker 6: actually have a conversation. We do all the things that
Speaker 6: we need in truth.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I would just like to add just promoting and encouraging
Speaker 5: your partner to be okay with change. I think sometimes
Speaker 5: we kind of how how you started out is how
Speaker 5: I always want you to be. So I think you should,
Speaker 5: you know, encourage change and welcome it and be okay
Speaker 5: with it with your partner growing and growing in any direction.
Speaker 5: And I feel threatened by them outgrowing you.
Speaker 2: And that's some business city.
Speaker 3: Could you, guys, because you grow every day.
Speaker 1: Tabitha is different today than she was yesterday, and she'll
Speaker 1: be different tomorrow than she was today, and likewise for chance,
Speaker 1: and so you have to be ready to adapt to
Speaker 1: that change.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, be okay with it, expect it on day one
Speaker 5: when you get married, when you say I do, start
Speaker 5: thinking about it like this next week.
Speaker 2: All that night. The honeymoon might be a little different
Speaker 2: than what you think.
Speaker 3: Guys. You guys seem like you guys, have you guys
Speaker 3: have so much fun? You seem like you have so
Speaker 3: much fun together. Do you guys have been together?
Speaker 2: You you can?
Speaker 1: I bet you can finish her center, and she can
Speaker 1: finish your center because you guys have been together that
Speaker 1: long that you know what each other's thinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, most times. Yeah, and then sometimes she has five.
Speaker 2: To change. So I did bring you some some things. Okay,
Speaker 2: So it's a couple of things, and some of this
Speaker 2: might have to go to some people, okay that you
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna say, she didn't give me that.
Speaker 2: Because this is my cookbook. In case you don't want that,
Speaker 2: get you.
Speaker 1: Cook book.
Speaker 2: It's a big cooking book. This is my first book,
Speaker 2: Beating the Soul. So that's all about my life and
Speaker 2: my journey. And then this is a working journal that
Speaker 2: accompanies that. Okay, all right, and so then so you
Speaker 2: can get in the kitchen. You can get in the
Speaker 2: kitchen with all the seasons and things.
Speaker 6: So these are my you went along with the original Sunshine,
Speaker 6: big good Garley, like sweet, like smoking, and these are
Speaker 6: all salt free, so I look out for.
Speaker 2: These are your saltabe lends. And then well, you got
Speaker 2: a name.
Speaker 1: For your hair No, you know, I just got you know,
Speaker 1: I'm old school. I mean I had the same haircutsin
Speaker 1: seventy two.
Speaker 2: You got a name them, you got a name.
Speaker 3: So I got a name, got a name of them.
Speaker 2: So this is Donald's recipe. Okay, they get you together
Speaker 2: a little, a little thanks, or you can get it
Speaker 2: because somebody over there. I feel like her energy is
Speaker 2: already you see you see that you.
Speaker 1: I think she came here to get She knew you
Speaker 1: was gonna break a goodie bag and she can't.
Speaker 3: Be taking this from me.
Speaker 6: But this is sweet potato pie, so Donald's best sweet.
Speaker 6: So I need a sweet potato pipe because I don't bake,
Speaker 6: but Donna does.
Speaker 2: So she says she made the desserts for your hair,
Speaker 2: but these are off of you. And then you know
Speaker 2: if you want the baggage, well, this is I collect
Speaker 2: from Target.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I need the bag to take this stuff home.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna take the hair products
Speaker 1: home ever. See that's now fifty dollars I'm charging.
Speaker 3: I just got it for free. But if fifty dollars for.
Speaker 2: You, oh that's right, the chance saisons. We gave you
Speaker 2: something that we probably Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to call you. We got we got
Speaker 3: we definitely, we definitely got. We just definitely got a
Speaker 3: bok get you and uh you see my hoodie, I
Speaker 3: mean We're gonna get you one. What's what's what size?
Speaker 5: You are?
Speaker 2: Medium?
Speaker 3: Got you, We'll get that. We'll get that to you.
Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely, this has been great.
Speaker 3: This has been unbelievable. This has been unbelievable. Thank you
Speaker 3: for taking absolutely ahead.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking us time out of your day.
Speaker 1: I understand you're very busy. We've been trying to get
Speaker 1: this and we finally got it. We found Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Thank you getting thank you for having.
Speaker 2: Appreciate absolutely I don't get the handshake. Shall we close
Speaker 2: it out? How I close out all my videos?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, again, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 6: And until the next time, honey, y'all going a bout
Speaker 6: y'all business and have the most amazing day.
Speaker 2: But even if you can't have a good one, don't
Speaker 2: you there go messing up. Nobody else is here. See
Speaker 2: y'all next time. Love y'all, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: My life grounding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price,
Speaker 4: and want to slice. Got to brow the dice that
Speaker 4: way all my life. I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 4: all my life and grinning all.
Speaker 2: My life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price in one slice.
Speaker 2: I got to brow the dice.
Speaker 4: WA all my life, I've.
Speaker 5: Been grinding all my life.
Speaker 3: Yeahm mhm