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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 2: Special episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we have

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Speaker 2: Susie Evans here. Susie Evans has been a part of

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Speaker 2: the Almost Famous family in multiple ways, not only as

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Speaker 2: a guest but also as a host of a spin

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Speaker 2: off show that we did. And now Susan is coming

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Speaker 2: on because she's up to new, incredible cool things. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the podcast, Susie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, glad to be here. Feels good to be back.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've gotten to know you over the years

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Speaker 2: for your your sense of humor, your ability to I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna say I don't know if I like it

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Speaker 2: when people say not take yourself too serious, because I

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Speaker 2: think you probably should take yourself reasonably seriously. But you

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Speaker 2: can make fun of yourself in a way that I

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Speaker 2: think is relatable and engaging with the audience. So my

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Speaker 2: first question for you is where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: How do you do that? Is that just you or

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Speaker 2: have you kind of built that skill set?

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Speaker 3: It's probably a coping mechanism. By being completely honest, I

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Speaker 3: think growing up I had an older brother and I

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Speaker 3: would say everyone in my family is like somewhat funny,

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Speaker 3: like we as a family laugh a lot, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just think we are very I don't know if

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Speaker 3: the were to be unserious, because my mom was very

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Speaker 3: big on instill in like character trades, Like she always

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Speaker 3: talked about like treating people well, treating people how you

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Speaker 3: want to be treated, being kind, like those were really

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Speaker 3: important values in our family. But we also just were

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Speaker 3: a really fun family, I guess you'd say. And then

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Speaker 3: I also think, looking back, like even in the past year,

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Speaker 3: I've just been doing a lot of like soul searching

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Speaker 3: and like looking into myself and like my past, my

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Speaker 3: childhood and stuff like that. And I think I've realized

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Speaker 3: that like a big part of my sense of humor

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Speaker 3: and wanting to like lean into being like kind of

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Speaker 3: like genuinely a cobD mechanism of like, oh, like how

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Speaker 3: do I deal with my pain points in life? And

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I like make fun of it or

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Speaker 3: I laugh through it, And yeah, I guess that's probably

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Speaker 3: where it stemmed from. But then I've realized it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, it could be a little unhealthy times, but

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Speaker 3: for the most part, like It's actually helped me cope

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Speaker 2: I'm curious because, like, who were you in high school?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're obviously a very beautiful person. You've got

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Speaker 2: a big personality, you can make people laugh, you can

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Speaker 2: laugh at yourself. As you said, you have been able

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Speaker 2: to cope. Like who was Susie, you know, ten fifteen

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. I would say in high school,

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Speaker 3: I was like the poster child for like being in

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Speaker 3: every possible extracurricular activity. Like if there was a sport,

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Speaker 3: I was going to try out for it, even if

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, new friends perfect. Like I was always

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Speaker 3: just like dabbling in lots of things and like just

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Speaker 3: like not the most academic student. I was really creative.

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Speaker 3: I was like every extracurricular I could take. It was

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Speaker 3: like theater, voice, chorus, jazz choir. Like I filled up

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Speaker 3: all my extracurriculars with like musical stuff Like that was

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Speaker 3: just very much my vibe. So a lot of my

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Speaker 3: the non academic friend that was friends with the academic students.

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Speaker 3: If that makes sense. Yeah, And so I would I

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Speaker 3: think that I at the time, even then, Like my

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Speaker 3: but she really stressed like being a kind person. So

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Speaker 3: I I just really valued like being kind to people.

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Speaker 3: And I never I don't think I ever really aligned

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Speaker 3: came to boys, if I'm being honest. Like I didn't

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Speaker 2: Now you're living in Los Angeles still, right, How has

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Speaker 2: that been then as you've transitioned from reality television to

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Speaker 2: when are you still shy with boys? I mean you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say I'm actually not I wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: I'm like actually shy. I'm really confident to like go

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Speaker 3: to everyone. But it's definitely been interesting. And I will say, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how I got so lucky in LA.

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Speaker 3: I haven't dated, Like I haven't been out dating, and

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Speaker 3: I know everyone talks about like how dating is so crazy,

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Speaker 3: Like it went in a few dates before Justin and

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Speaker 3: like I again, people always say LA is so hard

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Speaker 3: I met them. I was literally photographing their event as

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Speaker 3: And so I've actually had a really good time, Like

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Speaker 3: I guess I've been able to collect good people around me.

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Speaker 3: But I mean as far as like dating and being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well there's you know, I've obviously been married

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Speaker 2: Now we've all seen the headline, Susie, and I would

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Speaker 2: about it? What is your status? What are you willing

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Speaker 2: able and feeling comfortable about sharing? You did mention Justin's

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Speaker 2: name that you had gone through some of few dates

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Speaker 2: before him, but we don't really know where you're at now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I know you guys talked with Justin

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Speaker 3: as well recently, and I know it's been so weird

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Speaker 3: like the point where it's just painful for both of us.

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Speaker 3: So that's been tough to navigate. And I think, obviously,

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Speaker 3: I know you've gone through a public breakup. I've gone

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Speaker 3: Justin and I both have like kind of been trying

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Speaker 3: But even that can be misinterpreted. So yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: it's been sad. But I think we're both just trying

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Speaker 3: like not gonna let he came over and hung that

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Speaker 3: so like we're on great terms, Like everything is well.

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Speaker 3: I say, everything's positive, but you know, there's so much

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Speaker 2: For sure, you know what. I laughed there for a

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Speaker 2: second because what you're saying, I can remember looking back

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Speaker 2: you know, a breakup, I don't know if there's like

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Speaker 2: a like a breakup's a breakup. There's good and bad

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Speaker 2: when it's public. I really don't know if there's much

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Speaker 2: a thousand different opinions. It's hard. I think the question

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to drill down and drill into

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Speaker 2: you know you and Justin what happened. That's not my

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Speaker 2: business and nobody's really But I the question that I

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Speaker 2: asked Justin that really got him. And it got him

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Speaker 2: because he I could tell when we had this interview

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Speaker 2: come out. You know. He was dancing around a lot,

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Speaker 2: trying to do this respectfully without saying too much or

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Speaker 2: too little the same stuff you're saying like it's impossible. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but finally, what I the question that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: know from you too, is so, but how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Was what I asked him, And I want to know.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are just curious

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Speaker 2: how are you doing right now in this season of

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Speaker 2: life that is changing? And we will get into also

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Speaker 2: the professional changes that you're making and starting up.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm doing okay, Like I think I'm good

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Speaker 3: for the most part. I think it's just like hard,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, Like, I think it's just it's just hard.

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Speaker 3: Like I think Justin and I both moved to la

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Speaker 3: like not knowing many people and like leaning on each

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Speaker 3: And I think we both just feel like it's hard.

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Speaker 3: Like we both basically came to a new city, didn't

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Speaker 3: like a really good friendship. So I think even beyond

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Speaker 2: the leap, Susie, to totally transition here. You do have

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Speaker 3: Like they are some of the most interesting stories in

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Speaker 3: my opinion. A lot of them revolve around like cheating, scandals, infidelity,

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Speaker 3: like cult like experiences. There's just it's just like really

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Speaker 3: taken its own form. There's there's so many unique guests.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to like spill any tea because I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I think we want to surprise people with the people

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Speaker 3: we have coming on. I'm sure like Bachelornation can probably

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Speaker 3: guess one of them, but it kind of comes to

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Speaker 3: like it comes it becomes like a true crime meets relationships,

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Speaker 3: but not just like dating. It's like life relationships too.

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Speaker 2: How are you finding your guests though? I mean these

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Speaker 2: are obviously sometimes stories kept secret or kind of pushed

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Speaker 2: under the rug. How are you finding them?

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Speaker 3: So a lot of them are people that have like ei,

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Speaker 3: they've spoken publicly about it on TikTok. I feel like

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Speaker 3: TikTok has been such a big part of our show,

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Speaker 3: Like we keep finding these crazy stories about people who

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Speaker 3: experience just the most wild things, like I can't believe

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Speaker 3: in the stuff that our guests have experienced, and even

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Speaker 3: like docuseries and like different shows that are coming out,

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Speaker 3: I think it's like inspiring people to speak up about

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Speaker 3: their experiences. And one of the things that we've realized

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Speaker 3: on our show is that there's so much shame in

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Speaker 3: the like the victim experience, Like people that are being

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Speaker 3: victims of whether it's like crimes or cheating, lying scams,

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Speaker 3: Like people are really shameful about their experience because they

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Speaker 3: feel embarrassed. They feel like people are gonna think I'm dumb?

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Speaker 3: How could I fall for this? Like why did I

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Speaker 3: accept or tolerate this behavior for so long? And so

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Speaker 3: that's become like a really interesting nuance of the show too.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, there's so much more to this than

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Speaker 3: just a juicy story. It's like there's a psychological experience

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Speaker 3: that people have, and the more people talk about it,

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Speaker 3: the more people like learn how to avoid these red

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Speaker 3: flags or avoid getting scammed, or avoid accidentally joining a cult.

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Speaker 3: Like there's like a lot of things that people feel

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Speaker 3: shame about and they're afraid to talk about it. But

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Speaker 3: we just we were starting to see it more and

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Speaker 3: more everywhere. So I feel like we're starting to uncover

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Speaker 3: all these different pockets of communities and people that have

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Speaker 3: had these experiences.

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Speaker 2: What makes you like the right host for this show?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, So episode one I talk about

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of interesting dating experiences, and I

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Speaker 3: talk about them. But I dated a guy. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if this will give it away, but basically I

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Speaker 3: dated a guy that literally lied about what. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I should say I basically dated a guy

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Speaker 3: that lied to me about having cancer and ordered to

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Speaker 3: for me out to break up with him, and there

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Speaker 3: was like so much more to that relationship that was

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Speaker 3: just like wildly manipulative, toxic cheating, And so as we

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Speaker 3: started to develop this show, I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: like I actually have a really crazy story and it's

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Speaker 3: actually shaped how I've dated, Like that was one of

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Speaker 3: the first people I dated in my entire life. So

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Speaker 3: like every person after that, I've kind of brought in

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Speaker 3: my own baggage and been like, hey, like I went

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Speaker 3: through a really crazy experience and had something really traumatic

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Speaker 3: happen in my life, and so it's affected my really

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Speaker 3: the whole trajectory of my life. So I think talking

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Speaker 3: about it has been somewhat like therapeutic for me, and

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Speaker 3: then bringing on guests and like we've brought on you know,

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Speaker 3: specialists and people who can analyze these kind of people,

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Speaker 3: and it's just been such a great experience for me

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Speaker 3: as well. But I think that probably having that dating

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Speaker 3: experience has really shaped me, and it's also just like

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Speaker 3: given me this like fire to be like, yeah, the

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Speaker 3: more we talk about this, the more people can learn

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Speaker 3: and grow and not make the same mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Is that the hope for the show then I mean

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Speaker 2: if you thought about each episode or each season, kind

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Speaker 2: of the point to even putting this content out there

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Speaker 2: outside of you know, obviously it's going to be enjoyable

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Speaker 2: to listen to, right, What is the underlying point that

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Speaker 2: you hope these this project brings to the world.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I think, Uh, it's a lot

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Speaker 3: of it is just like opening up dialogue and like

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Speaker 3: letting people or having people not feel alone. Unfortunately, so

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Speaker 3: many people go through a scandal, manipulation, lying, cheating, Like

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Speaker 3: so many people have these experiences, and so yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think it's just like a place where people can like

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Speaker 3: hear these stories and one be entertained because we do

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Speaker 3: laugh a lot on the show. Like it's not it's

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Speaker 3: not super dark. It's not like, yeah, there's some true

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Speaker 3: crime elements, but it's we are not it's not a

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Speaker 3: miserable show, and it's certainly not. This is one thing

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Speaker 3: I feel, like I've said time and time again, like

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Speaker 3: I never ever wanted to feel like a show where

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Speaker 3: we're like talking about men cheating on women. Like we

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Speaker 3: have men as guests that come on as well, So

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Speaker 3: it's like an environment where everyone can learn and be

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Speaker 3: open and honest, Like, people do crazy things and normal

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Speaker 3: humans unfortunately have those experiences, even if they've not done

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Speaker 3: anything to attract it or you know, participate in it.

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Speaker 3: So I think the underlying reason for doing the show

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Speaker 3: we've kind of discovered is to like understand people, better

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Speaker 3: understand why people lie, and understand how to avoid putting

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Speaker 3: ourselves in those positions if we can.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for this. I mean, I'm trying to make

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Speaker 2: a parallel here. It's like a dateline meets Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's hard to say because some episodes are

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Speaker 3: more serious than others, but yeah, it is. It's like

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Speaker 3: it's like uncovering just crazy stories, like unbelievable stories that

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Speaker 3: you're like, how did this happen to somebody? And we

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Speaker 3: basically ask all the questions like how did you find

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Speaker 3: yourself in this position?

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Speaker 2: Are you the main hosters or a co host?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 2: It's just me Yeah, cool, I uh okay, when does

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Speaker 2: it come out? And where can people listen?

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Speaker 3: September fourth, anywhere you listen to podcasts. And we're also

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Speaker 3: going to be doing some really fun video elements. Obviously

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Speaker 3: I'm a videographers, so like it's like we got to

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Speaker 3: have some cool like visuals, so on YouTube it's while

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Speaker 3: there's going to be some cool overlays and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Live Laugh, Lie September fourth, hosted by Susie Evans. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like an absolute hit. I mean, like I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine something that's set up to be any

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Speaker 2: less of a hit like this is. This has all

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Speaker 2: the stuff that people love, right, the little bit of

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Speaker 2: true crime, some comedy, the ability, like I said at

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Speaker 2: the beginning, without even knowing the concept for a show

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Speaker 2: that you can kind of make fun of, you know,

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Speaker 2: yourself and situations that you know, maybe are uncomfortable, your

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Speaker 2: ability to do that as a host, and then also

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Speaker 2: get the story out there so that people can learn

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Speaker 2: and grow maybe not do it again. Anything else about

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Speaker 2: the show that we didn't ask or didn't cover that

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Speaker 2: you want to talk.

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Speaker 3: About, I don't think so. I think that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 3: I I guess, like PSA, I'm new to hosting. So

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Speaker 3: if you guys listen, just know it'll probably get better

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Speaker 3: as it goes on.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you should hear. You should go back

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Speaker 2: and listen to almost famous episodes one through one hundred

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Speaker 2: and here my process yeah, and hear how I have

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Speaker 2: not changed, I have not gotten better. I just still

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Speaker 2: keep a job. I don't know how, but I'm here. Uh, Susie,

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Speaker 2: You're great, Thanks for coming on, Thanks for sharing everything. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the intention to come on and talk about

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Speaker 2: Justin as much as we did, but it did feel

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Speaker 2: right like. It feels like there's respect, there's care, there's love.

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Speaker 2: It's tough, but also got some good advice from you. Really,

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Speaker 2: the big reason when to have you on is to

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Speaker 2: talk about this, you know, live laugh Lie. September fourth,

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Speaker 2: everybody can listen to podcasts hosted by Susie.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio,

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