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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? This is O G Rob back

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Speaker 1: for another episode of Dolls Only, and we have some

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Speaker 1: vari usesteemed guests uh here with us today. Uh former

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Speaker 1: players now wearing headsets. Let's hear about their journey. What's

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Speaker 1: going on with fellas?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Going on?

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Speaker 1: Man? Welcome to the Dolls Only Podcast. Normally we have

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Speaker 1: players in this in these seas, but you know, we

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Speaker 1: got some former players. Uh, so we felt like this

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Speaker 1: was very fitting uh to bring you guys here today.

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Speaker 4: Let me say we play No I mean no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to just give you your flowers, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I think we all, we

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Speaker 1: places that you guys have reached obviously, and it's on

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Speaker 1: and privilege for me, you know, to be amongst a

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Speaker 1: group of decorated men like yourself. Uh you know that's

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Speaker 1: given everything to the game and every single way Bubba undrafted.

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Speaker 3: Right yep, same as you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know I know that life. What would

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Speaker 1: you do eight eight years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was.

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Speaker 5: I did a total of ten, total of ten, but

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Speaker 5: my earlier in my career I was practice squad.

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Speaker 3: Thankfully, I have, those seasons are accrued so that they're

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Speaker 3: my atension.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, but ten total seasons, so ten and

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Speaker 5: really eleven training camps because I ended up going to

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Speaker 5: NFL Europe after my rookie year, So eleven training camps,

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Speaker 5: yeah or not giving man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah much respect? What three times captain so I was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a captain here.

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Speaker 5: Uh and then in out in San Francisco they named

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Speaker 5: me captain in the playoffs, which was which was pretty

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Speaker 5: cool for the playoff game and uh wildcard game at

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Speaker 5: at Green Bay. Yeah yeah, in a really cold game.

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Speaker 5: It was like minus fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the only games I've ever worn sleeves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We got obviously do Stanley ten years, third round draft pick,

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Speaker 1: spent some time only what only two stops? Two stops

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah man, then lead, then lead to State. Yeah

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Speaker 4: yeah right right, so yeah, man, just ten years of fun,

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Speaker 4: ten years of pain, and I, as I look back

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Speaker 4: Bowl rings, come on, able to definitely do something that

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Speaker 4: I love right now. As far as coaching, being able

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Speaker 4: to live through these guys vicariously, it's awesome.

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Speaker 6: So a little small piece of the journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, got to put that two time champion on there.

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous only got one.

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Speaker 6: We got one together?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, you know, we did.

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Speaker 5: I was on the I was on the opposite side

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Speaker 5: of that one, which is not which is not so

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Speaker 5: that one, that one.

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Speaker 1: Hurts my bad. You thought I was guaranteed too. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to say bad about that.

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Speaker 6: Take that bad right, race that you're right, you're right,

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Speaker 6: you're right.

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Speaker 1: Never apologize for compete. Shout out to GD for that one,

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Speaker 1: and that it leaves me. Then we got cherry three times, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: super Bowl champ. Drafted third round, How does it feel?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: Man, First and foremost, thank you for being having me here.

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Speaker 2: And was a teammate of Duces in Philadelphia. So I

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Speaker 2: and I was convinced that I finished my career in Philly.

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Speaker 2: has been great to all of us. We can all

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Speaker 2: because you're in the place right now where the game

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Speaker 2: kicked me out. I wasn't ready to be finished with

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Speaker 2: of accomplishment, especially when you consider undrafted and what you've

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Speaker 2: to be in the NFL for thirteen years, if you

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Speaker 2: take that to your life after football.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be a okay in my opinion, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: After watching I got to chime in, after watching your

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Speaker 5: film from your rookie year, I cannot believe you're undrafted.

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Speaker 5: It is crazy to me that you're running flying around

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Speaker 1: You know how I go. It gave me. They gave

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Speaker 1: who knows. If I entered the league in one of

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Speaker 1: whole mindset. You know what I'm saying. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I felt like coming in undrafted like yourself, that

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Speaker 1: this league. It's like, man, every day you gotta earn it.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, tomorrow, Like tomorrow is not promising.

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Speaker 3: There's not a better example of that.

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Speaker 1: You feel me like, that's how you got to get

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Speaker 2: Well, Rodnie, you strike me as a guy that make

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Speaker 2: a really good coach, and I'm interested to do and

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Speaker 2: Bubba and how you guys made a determination because be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, when I got done, I was disenchanted

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Speaker 2: obviously don't represent that. And you guys have made that

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Speaker 2: and I like to think it's changed a lot too,

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Speaker 2: to pay a price and work hard. But you would

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Speaker 2: strike me as a person that would also be really

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Speaker 2: a good coach, because you have that element about you

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Speaker 2: in which I feel you could teach.

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Speaker 4: And he showed that on the field, you know, just

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Speaker 6: I mean, you definitely can coach.

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Speaker 4: Now if you want to get that his chair on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, give us, give us the truth,

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Speaker 1: like to be a coach in the NFL, and like

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Speaker 1: you guys have now been coaching double digits now.

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Speaker 5: I would say this first off, like I have the

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Speaker 5: privilege of you know, I had Rod for three years,

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Speaker 5: one in India and obviously two here in Cleveland, and

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Speaker 5: I got to coach him, you know directly.

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Speaker 3: He was you know, he played, He played for me.

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Speaker 5: He was a personal protector, which for me is the

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Speaker 5: most important communicator amongst your unit. And then I was

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Speaker 5: to go around and watch the offensive and defensive walkthroughs

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Speaker 5: and the way that he approaches the game.

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Speaker 3: His ability to I would say, pass.

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Speaker 5: Along information to the younger player on just the extreme

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Speaker 5: admirable for me to be able to watch that. And

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Speaker 5: he has like every trait characteristic that you would ever

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Speaker 5: want in a leader, and that would obviously translate into coaching.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you'd be an incredible coach he decided to do.

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Speaker 6: So, Yeah, I don't know if.

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Speaker 5: You want to go down that path, but yeah, it

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Speaker 5: would be a really good coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in Uh there's conversations around it, but you know, nothing,

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Speaker 1: nothing concered. I think for me, it's all about time,

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So much it's hard to put

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Speaker 1: just those those memories that are that are like timeless. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So and even now, like you guys are responsible for

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Speaker 1: helping us be the best version of ourselves. That's your responsibility. Now,

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Speaker 1: Like as you hold that that clicker for sure.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's how many chances throughout life, and just

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Speaker 4: talking to everybody in this room, everybody's out listening. How

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Speaker 4: many times you get a chance to do something you love? Right,

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Speaker 4: you know, and all of us sitting here right now.

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Speaker 4: We love the game of football. We love everything that came,

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Speaker 6: For me, there was an extension.

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Speaker 4: So the love part of it is embedded inside of

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Speaker 6: So that was me playing.

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Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden, when I retired and had

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Speaker 4: That was that passion, that love, that fury that was

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Speaker 3: How many and how many years were your way?

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Speaker 4: So I retired in two thousand and seven, all right,

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Speaker 4: came back in twenty ten. But along the way, I'm

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Speaker 6: Around a little bit. Being able to talk to other guys.

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Speaker 4: That I played with that were coaching at the time,

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Speaker 4: and I was like you In the beginning, I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: you know what, Man, I don't know if this coach

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Speaker 4: But I was like, man, what's up, coach. He was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: Now. I had a situation where once I retired, I

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of Yeah, those those stories about

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Speaker 3: How to really do it.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like that really that really groomed me

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Speaker 3: Have guys like that, see those guys succeed and do

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Speaker 4: So let's go to feed the competitiveness that you have.

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Speaker 6: It won't be Domino's.

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Speaker 4: It won't be checking, but you don't. I had to

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Speaker 2: Don't do rec basketball.

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Speaker 1: Fights, No, six, am, who session is?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is a way, It's an outlet. I

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Speaker 1: Nah, I've like, honestly, I've always tried to like stay

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Speaker 2: Devote myself to something that I'm passionate about and I

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Speaker 6: Every day I walk through these doors, they do something

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Speaker 4: There's no way that I'm not going to show how

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Speaker 4: That's the juice, and that's the fire that's in my gut. So,

439
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 4: like you talked about for yourself, the reason you retired

440
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 4: was that not on your Was that not your call? Well,

441
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: my knee was bothering me at the time. I had

442
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 4: a couple more phone calls that you know was coming

443
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 4: through it. When I got to let go from Pittsburgh

444
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: and then you know, I sat down for a second.

445
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: I was like, man, my right knee is killing me.

446
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: I had to list frank in my right foot from

447
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 4: earlier in my career. But it started bothering me a

448
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 4: little bit, and I said, no matter what, I'm not

449
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 4: ready to go somewhere else and give my all, no

450
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: matter if the.

451
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 6: Phone call come through.

452
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't one of those ones that you know, would

453
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: take the phone call and was signed because I could

454
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 4: and then be let go a couple of weeks later.

455
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 6: This this shit means a lot. Yeah.

456
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: So I didn't want to go there and not be ready.

457
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: And that was one of my fears too. I did

458
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 4: not want to show up and not be ready. Training

459
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 4: camps always, you know, And that's one thing to do, Subchet,

460
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: that's one thing for you. Don't get it twisted at all.

461
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 4: You're gonna wake up July thirty first, about six am.

462
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna do that for about two weeks.

463
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, two months gonna be calling sts Was that cover three?

464
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: But so yeah, that that's just my little side of it.

465
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 4: And yeah, uh it's good to kind of share these

466
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: stories because you don't get a chance to talk about this.

467
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: But what about what about you guys, Like, was it

468
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 1: was it your call, you know, to call it quits

469
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: or how did how did it come to to to

470
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: an end?

471
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it was it was pretty much time

472
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: to call it quits. I knew that it was.

473
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 5: I might have been able to get out another year,

474
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 5: but my last year in San Francisco, it was it

475
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 5: was just like up and down. I had injuries. I

476
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 5: tore my growing I ended up I needed growing surgery.

477
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 5: The growing wasn't I mean, I could have came back

478
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 5: and played, but at that point, I was later in

479
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 5: my career, I was really at that point. I played

480
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: a little bit of defense when I was in Cleveland,

481
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 5: but I was really like teams only, And at thirty

482
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 5: two years old, there's not a lot of teams looking

483
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: for special teams only players. They want guys that have

484
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 5: more value to the defense, offense, whatever it is. So

485
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 5: I pretty much knew that I was going to be done.

486
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 5: And for me, honestly, I had already had a house

487
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 5: in Boston. It was I mean, and for Beller to

488
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 5: give me an opportunity, I just it was a time

489
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 5: where I just couldn't pass up that opportunity for me

490
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 5: to be able to transition into back into football.

491
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, and for.

492
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: Me, it was a similar situation where Bubbould just explained

493
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: and that it was my last game was in Super Bowl.

494
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: We have an exit physical and the doctor the times

495
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: name I forget Mix diagnosed me with a parsy tourn

496
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: achilles tendon after the game, And basically that's the kiss

497
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: of death for a guy who's a role player, special

498
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: teams player in his ninth year. And I'll never forget.

499
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Bill called me on the phone, he and Scott Pioli

500
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: and are like, drot, we're not bring you back, And

501
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't. And the thing that I really appreciated about it, though,

502
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: is that as we're about to hang up the phone,

503
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: I get the news, like okay, I'm gonna do next.

504
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: Bill gets back on the phone. He's like, Hey, I

505
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: just want you to know the four years that you

506
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: spent here meant a lot to me. And he didn't

507
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: have to say that, So I appreciated that, but it

508
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: was a hard pillar swall because I knew I didn't

509
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: have a Parsley torn Achilles tended, and that I wasn't

510
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: within a month or two running and still training. At

511
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: this point, my agent wasn't doing I felt what he

512
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: needed to do. But also to man, it just was

513
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: my time, and God made it obvious it was my time,

514
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: and so I'd accept that though I didn't want to.

515
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: And as I look back on it now, I see

516
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: how it all worked out to my benefit of not

517
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: going back into it, because I mean, we played in

518
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: the era where you wore running down full speed and

519
00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: crashing into the way in those things.

520
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: So who's two days? So you missed all ye that time.

521
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, if.

522
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: I kept playing, I would have got hurt to the

523
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 2: point to where I can't even put together sentences right

524
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: now to talk to you in a way in which

525
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: we're having these this podcast, So you look at it

526
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: in that light. The other thing too, I wanted.

527
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 6: To throw you away.

528
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: You talked about just like identification and being recognized, Like

529
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: right now, if you go into the grocery store, you're

530
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: walking around, do people recognize you?

531
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Yes? More so definitely more so in Philly than Cleveland,

532
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: but lately in Cleveland I've gotten that too, But yeah,

533
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Philly for sure.

534
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: And then I know for the people listening to me

535
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: like this sounds ridiculous, but that's gonna be an adjustment

536
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: to Wait, people don't know who I am. People don't

537
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: recognize me, people don't ask me what's going on with

538
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: the game and how I'm doing. That's it, and it

539
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: feeds your ego if I'm being really real with you,

540
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: And that was one of the things that I dealt with, like, wait,

541
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: people aren' gonna recognize me, know who I am and

542
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: talk to me. And but once you get over that

543
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: type of stuff and again find your foundation and other

544
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: things to identify yourself, then it's it's not severe at all.

545
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: It's anything you'd be like, who cares if they do it?

546
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 6: Don't recognize me, that's real.

547
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: I know we haven't touched on the family aspect and

548
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: how you know the change affected you guys family, Uh,

549
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: leaving you know one world that they that they knew

550
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: and walked into another. So uh any stories that you

551
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: guys allowed to share, you know in regards to to

552
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: fam and just how that how that impacted, whether children,

553
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: significant other, whoever, whoever it might be.

554
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: Uh wow, I'll be transparent with you, guys. It affected

555
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: me tremendously.

556
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 6: Said.

557
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: One of the things that you learn in this game

558
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: is who loves you and who don't once it's over with.

559
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: And a lot of times people are with you for

560
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: the wrong reasons, more so about what you're bringing and

561
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: what they can get. And I had to learn that

562
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: the hard way that just because someone says that they

563
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: love you, what does that truly really mean? And it's

564
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: a heck of experience because a lot of times people

565
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: along for the ride because you're in the National Football

566
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: League and they see you as a commodity and they

567
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: don't see you truly as a person that once the

568
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: checks stopped coming in and wants to notoriety's not there.

569
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: They may take the perspective and a lot of times

570
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: this does occurrent of Okay, why am I with you?

571
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: Why am I you don't what I found attractive about

572
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: you and what initially drew me to you is no

573
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: longer there, so I think I'm gonna go elsewhere. And

574
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: that's a real thing.

575
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: And I experienced that well, like with my kids, they

576
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: were mad as hell, because I was let every track practice,

577
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: every football practice culture walking up.

578
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 6: And down the side line, What are you doing? What

579
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 6: are you doing? You're not supposed to be doing that

580
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 6: right now? Go stretch?

581
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, So there was like, you know, go

582
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: back and play, you know, go do something.

583
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 6: But uh, that was that part of it.

584
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: And then just to kind of piggyback a little bit,

585
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: what you find out is and not just when you retire,

586
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: but throughout life just because they blood don't mean their family,

587
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: and you'll find it out quickly, very very quickly. So

588
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: we all have kind of been through certain situations where

589
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: you can speak on it. But I found that out

590
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: definitely when I returned to Yeah.

591
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 5: You get you're still going to take part in those

592
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 5: one minute two minute runs conditioning run.

593
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Definitely retired, Definitely, I got to figure out what's the

594
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: new knowing for me on the workout routine. But I'm

595
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: definitely not like lifting like a mad man, I'll tell

596
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: you that, and I'm not doing the one minute too.

597
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Like that is the only time probably in my football

598
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: career that I've like failed and like like failed in

599
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: like training session like the conditioning runs that we had

600
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: in ND when I got there like like nuts like

601
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: and he still does he does them. He's for his workout.

602
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: Why are you doing? Like, why are you torturing yourself

603
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: right now?

604
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

605
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: They're good, they're good.

606
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Are we training like I'm a track runner? Like four

607
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: hundred five hundred?

608
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Like, no doing that. These guys are not the norm

609
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: because typically what takes place dbs get fat.

610
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not definitely not doing that.

611
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 2: And you don't want to be that guy. Man, let

612
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: me tell you. I got former teammates. I'm like, dog,

613
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: how in the world you used to run a four

614
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: to three? You wouldn't believe it. But because you keep

615
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: the same eating patterns, it's developed over this time. But

616
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: you were burrowing the calories, right, So even things like that,

617
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: how you go about your nutrition, Yeah, it's gonna make

618
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: a world difference far so I would say, you'll feel

619
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: better if you do keep a workout right.

620
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: Now, because when I left, I got fat, angle sugar.

621
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: Coated, and you look good right now.

622
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 6: The Yeah, but it takes a lot. You already know that.

623
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 6: But when I walked away, I was hurting.

624
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: I didn't go get the rehab like I was supposed to,

625
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: didn't jump on the bike, I had a plan, but

626
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: you know, of course I didn't follow through and then

627
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: next thing, you know, my neck kind of went this way,

628
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: I went that way, and I never forget my mom.

629
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 6: Right. My mom was like, so I need.

630
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: To talk to you all right, SA see she said,

631
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: I got the best diet plan ever.

632
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 6: Right, So I'm sitting there right your mom can talk

633
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 6: to you. However, this is my baby, this is my mom.

634
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 4: She was like, you will not believe us when I

635
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: tell you this. I want you to do it and

636
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: watch what happens. So I'm sitting here thinking that she

637
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: don't ordered something. She saw something on TV. You know

638
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: it's these you know, vitamins or I got to do

639
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: this plan that plan. She had a fork on the table.

640
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: She said, all I want you to do is pull

641
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: the ford backwards instead of pushing it forward. So when

642
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: you sit down and eat, pull the ford backwards. Don't

643
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: eat that much, and do the same with your chair.

644
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't believes Like, yeah, you're too big.

645
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, well that said when your mom

646
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: toald you, you got to work. So that was it for me.

647
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: I went straight and started working out and been doing

648
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: it ever since.

649
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: I've always been like routinized with like having a workout regimen.

650
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 5: And I feel like now that you're now that you're

651
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: done and obviously you talked about maybe you'll be looking

652
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: for some type of structure. I think that that's a

653
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: really good way to have some structure, like I'm going.

654
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: To do this workout this, you know, and just have

655
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: like a plan.

656
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and for me and for me, I've I really

657
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: never stopped I never stopped training. I never stopped running,

658
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: I never stopped lifting.

659
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: Going to the Olympics now that's the way that I

660
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: used to But I'm getting.

661
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Like for you to those three hundreds that is very similar. Yeah,

662
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how. And that's my whole point. Like

663
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: training for me, like finish is a lifestyle like that's

664
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: not going to leave. But the way that I trained

665
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: I gotta alter because I'm not getting ready to take

666
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: on Derrick Henbry. You feel me like I want to

667
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: look apart. But what I'm saying is I don't need

668
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't have to run three hundreds to feel in shape.

669
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: That could look completely different.

670
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 6: Let's w w F in your future now know w w.

671
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll stay in the seats for that what I.

672
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: Appreciated about what he does is that you're always gonna

673
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: and it's not gonna change. You're always gonna to get pushed.

674
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: You're always gonna need to put yourself in the state stress.

675
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: And what do we get from stress? We get strength,

676
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: we grow. And by him doing that to his body,

677
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: it's not in my opinion, it's actually helping him. And

678
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: something silly as right now, how often are you sick?

679
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: But probably not much, not often.

680
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 5: I've had a cold for about three weeks, but aside

681
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: from that, I've been pretty I've been pretty good.

682
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: Right And so because you're stressing your body out, so

683
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: it adapts because one of the things, again, yes, you're

684
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: gonna need a detox period so to speak, because it's

685
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: been through so much with the hitting and banging for

686
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: over twenty plus years.

687
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: So that is part of it.

688
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: But I do believe that you got to keep stressing

689
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: the body and if you do that, you'll feel younger.

690
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fifty one going on fifty two, and

691
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: most people don't think i'm my age and I don't

692
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: feel I look my age. I think one of the

693
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: reasons why that is because I say, consistent with working out.

694
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: I feel like working out like helps you feel better.

695
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I mean.

696
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 5: It's I just feel better when I'm doing when i'm

697
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: doing something. Ye, I'm getting back and I'm getting back

698
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 5: into it. I'll be ready to run with the boys

699
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: when they come back in April. Yeah, that's like that's

700
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: the competitor in May. Like that's where I like, I

701
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 5: love being around the guys. I love challenging the guys

702
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 5: like I love being able to like whenever I'm feeling

703
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: good running down like on the old school kickoff right

704
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 5: right behind the unit and stuff like, I love that stuff.

705
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff, How many injuries have you had? Open them

706
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: three hundreds?

707
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: Look I had?

708
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what you do man? Run them three hundreds.

709
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: To get calves ham strings.

710
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah you're saying after he retired, how many injuries or

711
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: doing the time about recently.

712
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn strains. Yeah, look it is what it is.

713
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

714
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, good thing. Good thing he's still he still got

715
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: the train to say he's good. Yeah, absolutely, So what

716
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: are you know? I definitely appreciate the this talk, man,

717
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: it was it was great for you guys obviously, like

718
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: you have a lot of of memories, you know, throughout

719
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: your guys career, Like, just what are like some of

720
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: the the most the fondest memories that you guys will

721
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: forever like just cherish and treasure, like just throughout your

722
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: throughout your time in the locker room.

723
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: I would honestly say, like the times I had the

724
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 5: most the most fun playing football were not necessarily the time. Well,

725
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, winning obviously creates, you know, excitement and enjoy

726
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: and all that stuff, But my favorite times were really

727
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 5: whenever I was playing in Cleveland for my first two years.

728
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: My first two years in Cleveland and then my first

729
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: year in San Francisco, we had really good special teams units,

730
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 5: but we had really like I was really close with

731
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: all the players on those units. You know, when I

732
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 5: was in Cleveland, it was like me Cribs, Mike, Mike Adams,

733
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 5: Nick Sorence, and Blake Costanzo. You know, we were super tight,

734
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: Joe Hayden, TJ Ward, Like, we were like super tight

735
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: as a group.

736
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 6: And I will just.

737
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 5: Always remember those moments. It's with those guys and how

738
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 5: and how close we were. But those are the those

739
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 5: are the things you're going to mess obviously. It's like

740
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: you were you had really good relationships with with the

741
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: DBS here you had, you had the shirts made last year.

742
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 5: But those are the those are the things that you

743
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: mess and and.

744
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 6: What's your head back?

745
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: Uh, just to kind of piggyback on that, it's a

746
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 4: quote that says, wars come and go with my soldiers

747
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: stay eternal. So when you think about the games, you

748
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: know there are certain games that it's going to stick out,

749
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: like the Super Bowl of course, but it's the guy

750
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: you go to war with you want to remember. So

751
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: the Jeremounta Trotters, the Bobby Taylor's, the Brian Dawkins, those

752
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: guys that I went to war with. Yeah, we're going

753
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: to remember certain games. Yeah, but you know the friendship,

754
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 4: the love and everything that we had in the locker

755
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: room is going to surpass that.

756
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: No, it's a fire quote for me.

757
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: I think about especially with the Patriots, like going on

758
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: the football field and before the game even started, because

759
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: we were so tight knit and we had paid the

760
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: price that week in practice, and we could just fill

761
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: the symmetry and synergy between ourselves on the sideline before

762
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: we even went on the before the game even got started,

763
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: that we're going to beat that team. We could just

764
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: sense it and fill it and it would convey itself.

765
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: So I won't ever forget that. I'll never forget the

766
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: training camps that double days and what that represent on

767
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: We'll never forget that. But at the same time, it

768
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: was a blessing because haven't been a going through that.

769
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: In the manufaction which we had to go through that,

770
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, what can I not do? What could I

771
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: not overcome? What can I not achieve? Because I was

772
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: literally pushed to my physical and mental limits on a

773
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: daily basis for a two to three week gap and

774
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: I was able to overcome it. So that part never

775
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: leaves you, man, and build on that. Think about that,

776
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: because your mind will try to play tricks on you

777
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: and try to bring in doubt. But like, man, I

778
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: was able to accomplish this. And in your case, be

779
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: even more of a puffing your chest out. You're undrafted

780
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: player and you last in the league for thirteen years.

781
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 6: Oh man, again you.

782
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Should walk around town like, yeah, my stuff don't stink.

783
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 2: But obviously keep that level of humility about you because

784
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: that's also a positive going for you as well. But man,

785
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: now you got everything to be in the right direction.

786
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: Like I said, if you literally take what you've done

787
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: in your career and transfer it to whatever you want

788
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: to do. You're going to find success because you found

789
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: in one of the hardest feels on earth to be successful.

790
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

791
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: Respect, respect, What was your best Let's talk moments now, right,

792
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: all right, we can go around for a second.

793
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 6: I don't want to start with you.

794
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: Tell me about like your worst and best moment when

795
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 4: it comes to football.

796
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: M hmm, worst moments. Okay, I start at Damatha. Uh

797
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: So we're playing in the championship game sophomore year and

798
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: dum you know, well, you don't know because you play offense,

799
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: but like defense, play defense.

800
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 6: Don't hold.

801
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Pa defense. Okay, you play what you play safety? Okay,

802
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: all right, No, I can see. I can see he

803
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: was roam in the middle using a box middle. Okay,

804
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: all so yeah, So anyway, you know how it is

805
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: that running back do stantly catch the ball in the

806
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: flat and all of a sudden, they's just like nobody

807
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: in the vicinity. Like you're like, all right, I know

808
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: there's a backer near somebody.

809
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Man.

810
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I came down from the from the safety position by

811
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, mindre. I'm probably one sixty at that time.

812
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be playing corner, but I'm playing

813
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: safet because we have seniors at at corner. Man, I go,

814
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: he's running down the sideline. I try to give my

815
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: dog his stick. He too too forty. Man put me

816
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: to sleep, got up, legs wobbly, put together. I got up. Man.

817
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: All I remember is my boy, my boy, Jonathan Mason

818
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: coming like coming into the game like Rod Rod Rod,

819
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know how many times he was yelling

820
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: my name, but finally everything was clear. I heard him,

821
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: ran off the field, took the smelling salt, was in

822
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: three plays later, finished the game. But I say that

823
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: because nobody let that moment down like that entire we

824
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: wanted we won the game, but afterwards they were like, bro,

825
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: that was you, like, oh my god, like on the

826
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: Jungle Trin showing it. So that so that was that

827
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: was like one of my worst moments. And then I

828
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: would say in the league worst moment for me, uh

829
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: probably was just like a welcome to the league moment.

830
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Playing my my rookie year, my gut. I made a

831
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of tackles as a gun and we used to

832
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: do the gunner motion and we're playing Arizona Cardinals and

833
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: my god, come down and the dude from the box

834
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: comes out, and like at that time, I was vice,

835
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: So I took a super flat angle to try and

836
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: like get across the field like from the one of

837
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: the hardest hits I ever had in my in my

838
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: in my life, I swear to God but that that

839
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: those were probably some of my worst moments. And then

840
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: I would say some of my better moments. Man, shoot

841
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: my Shawn te moment I told Bubba like hit on

842
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: Emanual Sanders down the sideline, that that was like real

843
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: football right there. That my first time in the playoffs.

844
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're playing in Atlanta, and it took me

845
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: six years to get to the playoffs. And I remember

846
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: me and Outshine that whole year, we're just talking about

847
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: it like bro, like we're gonna do it. We're gonna

848
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: get it done. Like this the year we're gonna get

849
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: into these playoffs and we're gonna go all the way.

850
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: And that feeling that I got is what like that

851
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: feeling that I used to just watch on television, like

852
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: the intensity and all that, like that really just hit me.

853
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: And I remember making the sack in that game, like

854
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: and I mean, obviously we won. That came down to

855
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: the one yard line. But like, just like those, those

856
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: those are some of, like you know, some of my

857
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: my greatest memories. You're never gonna forget your first interception,

858
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: You're never gonna forget the Super Bowl, all of that,

859
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: But those are some moments that stand out to me.

860
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it as you're speaking, Rodney, and what

861
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: comes to mind for me? I would say my best

862
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: and worst moment all the same. And the reason why

863
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: I say that is when I got cut by the

864
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Raiders and I'm at home and there's a sense of

865
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: embarrassment that goes along with that one being cut and

866
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: you're at home, y'all explaining to do you read in

867
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: your local paper that you're reading growing up as a kid,

868
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: and there it is, and everyone's ask you what went

869
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: wrong and what happened and all that. So that was

870
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: the worst moment because I'm dealing with this sense of

871
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: embarrassment that I let myself down, my family down, and

872
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: friends down, and people from the Bay down. But then

873
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: it's my best moment because I didn't quit, I didn't stop.

874
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: I went on a jacked up football field, still did

875
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: my workouts, went into a gym with people looking at

876
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: me and everything else, not caring, still getting my workouts

877
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: in and put myself a positioned that when I did

878
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: get that call, I was ready to go. So for me,

879
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: it was the worst and best because it taught me resiliency.

880
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: It taught me how to be a survivor. It taught

881
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: me how to be even more of a fighter. So

882
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: I would say that would be my best and worst

883
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: moment for.

884
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 6: Me.

885
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 5: I'll take it more to like on field I had,

886
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 5: I would say my best and worst moment were probably

887
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: in the same play. Seven were undefeated in the Super Bowl,

888
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: playing obviously against the Giants. Moss had just scored to

889
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 5: go up fourteen to ten. There's like two and a

890
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 5: half minutes left, so we were kicking off, come down

891
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: and blast the returner on like the seventeen yard line.

892
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 5: Like and I hadn't played in a ton of games

893
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 5: that year, but it was like, I'm like, I just

894
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: want us the game. Just want literally, just want us

895
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 5: the game. And then they ended up marching down the field.

896
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: We dropped like two picks on that DRIVEE drop one

897
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 5: on the sideline, Merriweather had one in his hands, and

898
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: then they get the helmet catch. Oh yeah, David Tyree

899
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: and then we end up giving up the touchdown, we

900
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 5: lose the game.

901
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: But I went from thinking that I helped us, you.

902
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 5: Know, put us in a position to win and go undefeated,

903
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 5: and then we end up losing the game. But that

904
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 5: was That's a tough one that I don't think i'll

905
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 5: ever forget.

906
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough seventeen.

907
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: Oh well that is well, I'll start with the worst.

908
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: And you guys probably remember this. You are too young.

909
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: You remember when you went to go play the San

910
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: Diego Chargers. Okay, it was the baseball field, right, So.

911
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: I played there?

912
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: Did you play the Murphy? What what you play?

913
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: I played there because Philip Rivers was still playing. Matthews

914
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: was the running back. Yeah, yeah, I played there.

915
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: Man, all right, yeah, well I'm talking way back. And

916
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: then okay, so let me say these names. Uh say yeah,

917
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: Rodney Harrison. Yeah okay, so let me just tell your

918
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: quick story. So we were out there was with Philadelphia

919
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 4: and we had all white on and I remember running

920
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: to the sideline. We were running mid zone. I made

921
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: a move, had the ball in the correct hand. I

922
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: saw SAYU coming, didn't see Ridney Harrison. Okay, so I'm

923
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: running to the sideline. So my focus right now is

924
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 4: on say like, say, oh, he's beaming down on me.

925
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, I can turn the corner on him.

926
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 4: So as I'm turning the corner, I'm looking back and

927
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: not looking forward.

928
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you feel it already.

929
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: Rodney Harrison hit me so hard to where now all

930
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 4: my momentum, his momentum.

931
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 6: We all run into the sideline. He knocked me under

932
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 6: the bench. M M right.

933
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: The gatorade fell on top of me, right, So I

934
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: get up and I was out of it. I sat

935
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: down on their bench.

936
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 6: I thought I was on my bench. Meanwhile I'm sitting

937
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 6: on his bench. Everybody's looking at me.

938
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: And then the kind of you know, smoke cleared a

939
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: little bit and I see a bunch of trainers walking

940
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: this way, and I'm asking.

941
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 6: Why they coming this way? They were coming to get me.

942
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: That's how hard he hit. You, remember, Rodney Harron.

943
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 3: I played Rodney that his hands down.

944
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: I would say at least that I've seen the most

945
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 5: physical football player that I've ever seen.

946
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 3: He go out of his way to hit someone.

947
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: Every player he was.

948
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: He taped the wrists up to the elbow, so you

949
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: already know like from here he had to take old school.

950
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: He used to use that form too all.

951
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 6: The time time. But that's how hard he hit me.

952
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 6: I'm talking about a young he should be.

953
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: He definitely should be.

954
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: And my best moment was it was Opening day versus

955
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: the Cowboys had two hundred and one yards, So that's

956
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: one of the best moments.

957
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: Man, that's a good day, great day. You guys have

958
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: not only defied the odds man and done that at

959
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: a high level, but you made the one of the

960
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: toughest transitions of them all, and you know, having prosperous

961
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: careers and everything that you guys are doing. So I

962
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: think that just speaks to man, just who you guys are,

963
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the men, what the game has taught y'all the lessons,

964
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and you've kind of embraced it all and staying here today.

965
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Well, we want to say

966
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: we look accessful. That's what I want to say. I

967
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: know everybody here want to say, we love you. We

968
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 4: love everything that you brought to this town, this facility,

969
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: this game, this team, and you know how we did it.

970
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: Back in Philly, that where the relationship was built and

971
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: that's where it started. And once I walked through the door,

972
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: I never forget walking through the door and seeing him.

973
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: His eyes lightened up and mind lit up. It was

974
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 4: like here we go again, right, just trying to just

975
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: create that energy all over again. But I want to

976
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: say I love you, man. And you know it's funny

977
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: because I said this in the meeting. As men, we

978
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: don't get a chance to tell another man that we

979
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: love them without them saying something crazy.

980
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 6: But let me just tell you what that means.

981
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: That simply means I care about your well being and

982
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: what happens to you.

983
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 6: So I love you. Whatever you need for me, whenever

984
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 6: you need it, you call me. Gotcha love no doubt you.

985
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 6: I love you too.

986
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: I love you too, Rob Man. I'm truly gonna miss you.

987
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: I talked about it, you know, in front of the

988
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 5: players last week, and you know, having you around and

989
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 5: having been around you in the last three years, you know,

990
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 5: every coach wants a Rodney McLeod in the room. Hopefully

991
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 5: we have somebody that will step up next year, but

992
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 5: it is we're gonna miss you. I'm going to miss you.

993
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 5: We've had a lot of good moments, man. I do

994
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: appreciate you. Yeah, great person, great leader. You'll figure it out.

995
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 5: Figure out what you want to do. I appreciate you both,

996
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 5: love man, love.

997
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 2: You, yeah, and I love what you represent. Man, got

998
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: my son here, he's observing what we're doing right now,

999
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 2: and this is a great life lesson teaching moments for him,

1000
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: just to hear about what you are and who you

1001
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: are and what you've accomplished. And I've told you this

1002
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: on several occasions, just again of how amazing and what

1003
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: you've accomplished is and how you should be proud of

1004
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: that and you should man, because again, to walk out

1005
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: on your own terms. I can tell you stories of

1006
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: driving a car with Tom Brady and us having conversations

1007
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: about Joe Montana getting cut because we both grew up

1008
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area and how amazing it is if

1009
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: someone could walk down on their own terms. And you've done.

1010
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: That, man, respect, respect, love, I said it, fell listen,

1011
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm gonna see y'all on this next act

1012
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: man now.

1013
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: But I love I can show you on ESPN.

1014
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, we're gonna see We're gonna see what

1015
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna see.

1016
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 6: See them in the building.

1017
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: You can come back and visit, come back and visit

1018
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: with coach.

1019
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm make a visit.

1020
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's another episode of The Dolls. On the podcast,

1021
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate our amazing guests UH for sharing their journey,

1022
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: ask former players and talking about their transition into their

1023
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: next act. They're still leaving the impact, still doing it big.

1024
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: As you guys know. This is my last act and

1025
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: we'll see what's next, So stay tuned for another The

1026
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: Dolls Only podcast is O. G Rod signing out with peace,

1027
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: love and happiness.