WEBVTT - Intuitive Eating with IBS/GI issues 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.880 Maybe that's Lisa, and we're just two girls that want 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.880 to have a conversation with you. Dear sixteen year old 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.840 Andrea hey gorsgeous, Dear younger Lauren. Each episode is stories 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.480 from people I would deprive myself. Why myself obsessively? Because 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.840 I was eating healthy? I couldn't understand that I had 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.799 a problem with food. Losing my period scared me the most. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.080 My story starts when I was around seven. That's when 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.200 I started to hate my body. Body image is like 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.000 our inner picture of our outer self healthy behaviors. I 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.080 had a much bigger role at all health than the 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.239 actual number on the scales. Internal dialogue can be so 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.800 powerful and often it's super negative and critical in a 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.760 way that we wouldn't talk to other people that we 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.280 care about. When you start to share your story, that 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.519 gives other people the courage to share theirs. I know 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.519 you would be proud now of how far you have 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.519 come in your relationship to food, exercise, and to yourself. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.560 I felt freedom, I've gained relationships. I've found my true 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.360 sense of self worth. There's one thing I need you 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:05.080 to take away. You're going to be okay. Welcome back 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.920 to Elway today. We're joined by Victoria Myers. Will put 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.400 everything in the show notes, but she's at Victoria Myers Underscore, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.919 and she's a registered dietitian, founder of Nourishing Minds, nutrition podcast, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.479 host Nourishing mind Podcast, and she is such a wonderful 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.360 voice of reason in the space, really navigating difficult topics 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.560 when it comes to intuitive eating. So my favorite part 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.399 of your philosophy is that you're helping people let go 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.160 of unhealthy obsession with healthy eating. So we cover orthorexia 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.480 a lot here, but I think it's so helpful to 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.480 have an expert, a registered dietitian, come in and say 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.039 the rigid rules are actually giving you anxiety and stress 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.360 and this mindset isn't healthy. So wellness without obsession simple 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.520 to the point. I love it. Hey, thank you so much, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.960 and thanks for having me. I am so excited to 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.880 be here. And today we're gonna be talking about intuitive 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.200 eating and I be yes. So we're gonna keep it 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.000 super basic, break it down, and really help with something 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.840 very challenging, which is I have a medical condition that 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.839 requires me to eat a certain way and so I 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.880 can't eat intuitively. So that's probably something you hear a 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.280 lot right, Yeah, and I think it's complex. I'm sure 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.080 we're gonna get into all of that, but like sometimes 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.440 you can and sometimes you cannot. It depends on like 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.800 the root cause of it. Well, we'll get into all this, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.160 I'm sure though. I'm excited too, So let's just go 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.959 from the top. What is IBS and how is it diagnosed? Okay, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.280 So IBS is irritable bowel syndrome, And honestly, usually it's 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.680 a diagnosi by a gas or intestional doctor. That is 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.760 a diagnosis of like everything else gets rolled out. And 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.400 I always say to clients or potential clients, like that's 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.440 a good thing. We want silly actises to get rolled out, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.119 we want crones and ulcer to clients get rolled out. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.360 But a lot of times people get kind of slapped 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.240 with this diagnosis of IBS, which means you have a 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:59.800 certain criteria symptoms like gas pain, bloating, diarrhea, crossipatient or 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.520 alternating diarrhea and constipation, and then a lot of times 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.079 they just kind of get sent on their way or 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.040 given medication and not really told what else to do. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.359 Another common thing that is they're often told to follow 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.520 a low FOM diet which I'm sure we'll talk about 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.680 that today too, which is an evident space approach to 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.640 help with IBS. But again, a lot of times people 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.320 get told to follow up for long term and they 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.720 don't get told anything else outside of that. So I 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.839 think it's just like a lot of confusion around how 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.880 to navigate and cope with IBS. I will even say, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.600 from my clinical perspective specializing in orthodoxy and disordered eating, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.040 so many people that have disordered eating have digestive issues. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.400 Those two go hand in hand. So a lot of 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.000 times people get the diagnosis of IBS, but what if 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.520 it's because they have disordered eating? And I think there's 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.840 that like huge part of the conversation that really gets 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 missed and maybe not even at the thought of a 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.720 g I doctor. They're just not well understanding or maybe 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.880 not well educated on that particular part of why that 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.560 person might have digestive issues. But that's basically the basic 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.480 way you can think of it. It's a diagnosis where 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.880 everything else gets ruled out. You get told you have IBS, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.400 and often from there just told nothing like just manage 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.000 your symptoms basically. So I think you said something super 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.480 important just to highlight that the disordered eating can cause 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.600 digestive issues, which then gets labeled as I B S. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.960 A lot of different things can happen to the body 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.040 whenever you develop disordered eating. But in a really basic 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.760 way to think of it is if you're not eating 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.520 in a fuel, your body starts to shut down, and 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.279 a huge thing it shuts down because your body doesn't 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.240 see this as like necessary to survive is your digestion. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.480 So it makes sense save from that really basic perspective 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.560 of why people develop digestive issues. And then even if 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.159 we add orthoox, say to the conversation, y'all know this 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.200 because you all talk about orthrooxee a ton on your show, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.760 But what are people eating when they have orthorexia? Super 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.520 high fiber foods, they're intermittent fasting, They're going, you know, 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.560 eating all these gluten free foods which have all these 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.680 extracted fiber sources in it, so much things that can 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.960 cause symptoms. So as you can see, it's already like 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.360 super complex to say like what specifically causes the symptoms, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.799 but it's all definitely interconnect it together. Okay, I'm gonna 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.520 come in from the other side as someone who would 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:09.599 actually do certain IBS or even Crones disease. I do 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.200 not have crones, but I would. I this was years ago, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.400 haven't thought about it in a very long time, but 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.640 I knew if someone had Crones and they were reading 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.560 this book and it was going to help their digestion 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.360 and follow this diet to a t, I wished for 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:23.920 the life me. I can't think of the name of it, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.440 but it doesn't matter. But I then went to buy 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.960 that book because it provided this protocol to have a 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.839 healthy gut. But I didn't have what she had, But 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.039 yet I wanted to follow it because I thought it 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.919 was going to get me beIN because then my body 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.000 would be functioning and I could only allow myself these 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.880 foods that came from the earth. There wasn't process things 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.120 or the added fiber like you're talking about. But I 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.760 was trying to eat a certain way to fit a 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.560 certain disease that I did not have to think back 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.680 on it. It's so perplexing to me that that was 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.800 where my brain was. Disorder eating or the orthorexia, I 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.880 don't think just comes in a form of like following 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.960 a you know, South Beach or some diet. That's for 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.080 all I know that I followed people with certain stomach 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.640 issues or gastro intestinal issues, and I have tried to 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.440 follow their meal plan because it was so restrictive. You're 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.000 making me think of a client I just saw this 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.120 week that said the same thing. Amy. She was like, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.960 you know, I am intermitted fastening, I'm going keto because 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.479 I follow this person that talks about cancer research at 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.719 this And then it's like, I think that's what happens 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.960 with the orthoris. You just keep in taking more and 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.560 more and more information and you keep adding more and 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.240 more diets on top of the point where you're not 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.520 eating basically anything at all, and it's like, well, why 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.719 are we actually doing it? The clients similar to you, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.320 and it was like, I don't even know. I don't 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.680 even have any of these things. I just felt like 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.039 I had to to have help, right. Well, I think 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:52.280 that the chief complaint with digestive disorders that are applicable 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.840 to all is bloating. And I feel like I could 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.640 do an entire podcast on my dislike for the way 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.320 we come at bloating, because it's not always bloating and 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.720 it doesn't always need a solution. But Amy, when you 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.359 said you know you were following people with these digestive things. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.680 I'm envisioning you following somebody who's saying, here's how you 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.760 fix your bloat, and then here's the protocol. But her 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.080 bloat is because she has a didgestive disorder, and therefore 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.600 you're on a protocol just because of this one symptom 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.320 that she is displaying. Does that make sense? Yeah? No, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.880 I mean I think we take on what we're what 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.320 we're doing is a disservice to ourselves. I mean, first 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.400 of all, when we're eating disordered, that's that's a disservice 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.160 to ourselves. But when we take on somebody else's chronic 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.760 illness and make it our own because not I did 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.119 not think I had what she had. But for whatever reason, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.320 I thought because she was trying to live her healthiest 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.040 lifestyle to cure herself, I'm using her as a I'm 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.360 not even talking about one person in particular, her or him. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.840 Because I then started to follow every little move they 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:01.040 would make. I thought, somehow I'm a healthier, thinner person. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.040 Saying it out loud, I'm like, how in the world 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.920 did I ever think that would make sense? Because I 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.320 was deprived, I was restricting things that I didn't need 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.400 to restrict because I don't have that chronic illness. I 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.800 think that's the thing with the orthorexy though, is most 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.480 of us have experienced I too have orthorexy, which is 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.360 why I'm so passionate about it. We want to emulate others. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.040 I vividly remember following at Jelian influencers and mean like 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.680 I want to eat like them because I want their 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.000 lives and their thinness and they're this and they're that. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.920 And that's why I think orthorexy has gotten so worse 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.920 over the recent years is because there is a social 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.760 media aspect of it where you do see these people, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.120 even if they do have a chronic health condition, they 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.400 you still see it in it's like highlight real version 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.120 of it where you're like, I want that too, and 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.440 then you develop the same roles that they have and 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.680 you have no idea if that person is personally struggling 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.520 with disordered eating or not well. So let's say someone 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.480 listening does have IBS or they do have something where 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.679 they have to restrict certain things for the betterment of 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.640 their health. That's a fact. Not me over in La 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.800 La and just trying to do that to myself because 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.560 I want to have all these strict rules are wanted 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.359 to excuse me past tense, But what are the IBS restrictions? 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.400 Like if someone has to be that way, how does 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.840 that complement intuitive eating? And how do people get through that? 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.080 That is your field, So we're focusing on that today, 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.080 But correct me if I'm wrong. We could kind of 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.880 insert like it's an equation. And if you've got another 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.000 illness causes you to medical condition that causes you to 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.440 eat a certain way, how do you also do that 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.840 without creating a disordered pattern because you do have to 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.280 have restriction for your health. Okay, I love those question 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.960 so much, and I am gonna quickly caveat and say 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.400 real quick sometimes with disordered eating, when you are recovering, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.400 you're gonna have some digestive issues initially as your body recovers. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.840 So just with that caveat being said, because I do 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.920 think a lot of times an orthodoxic mind can amsuse 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.520 that as a way to manipulate, like contuning food rules 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.560 because you're getting symptoms from eating X, Y, and Z food, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.920 Well that might just be because you're body needs to 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.560 normalizee eating that food. You need to gain weight, you 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.880 need to eat more consistently. You need the microbine. Even 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.280 that's what's so cool about like our digestive health. As 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.040 you eat more foods and you eat a buried, diverse site, 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.920 you developed the literal bacteria to be able to consume 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.679 those foods. So anyways, with that side note, I think 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.040 that's a huge misconception with intuitive eating is that you 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.840 can't practice it with medical condition And from my background, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.040 I think it just comes from maybe a misunderstanding of 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.720 what intuitive eating is. Because intuitive eating isn't just quote 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.559 unquote eat intuitively or quote unquote listen to your body. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.440 It's ten principles from evilentivily in at least rise, and 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.719 it's an evident space practice of how we basically eat 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.160 from a self care eating framework, they describe it as 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.080 like actions of self care, not self control. So as 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.520 an example, someone with IBS, let's say they have id 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.600 S and they discover that a low fall up diet 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.040 which is theoretically only meant to be used for two 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.040 to six weeks maximum when I say fob up. Just 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.439 to give you guys an idea, these are basically high 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.760 fiber write foods that are very specific in causing senses 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.800 with people with IBS, this is evidence space. But again 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.439 the diet was really only meant to be used for 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.880 two to six weeks maximum, and then from there you 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.240 can personalize it and individualize it to the foods that 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.280 you define to be your high trigger foods or the 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.760 cumulative effect of your personal fod mops. Obviously this sounds 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.880 pretty nuanced, I'm sure, and that's why it's best to 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.400 do this kind of work with a dietitian. But just 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.520 because you have to have certain foods that you're decreasing 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.600 in your diet, Let's say for someone falling a low 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:34.000 fob up diet, they're decreasing hummus or avocados, cherries or chickpeas, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.440 which would be another example. Gluten it's not one, but 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.640 wheach is a fod MOP. They just need to avoid 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.840 certain foods, but still can work on the other principles 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.920 of intuitive eating. So another example would be someone with 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.120 with diabetes can still put their carbo hydrates that they 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.280 happen need to match their insulin needs and still practice 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.240 intuitive eating because you're still rejecting diet mentality, honoring your hunger, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.120 and making peace with food, challenging the food, please filling 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.720 your fullness, advocating emotional eating, body respect, joyful movement into nutrition. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.920 I think I missed one of the principles, but basically 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.440 those are the principles, Like you can still practice all 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.559 of these philosophies and believes while you still honor your health. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.040 That's the tenth and final principle. And it's such a 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.079 critical part of this because intuitive eating is an anti 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.559 health or anti nutrition. It's just not about weight losses 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.320 that means to obtain health or saying that thinness is 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.640 the only way to pursue health or weight, or that 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.640 you have to follow at this defined set of rules, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.400 because again, sometimes people need it. Some people need to 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.160 account the carbohydrates, and that doesn't mean they can't do 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.240 all those other aspects of intuitive eating. And then against 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.280 someone with IBS, let's say it's not even fop box. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.920 Let's say maybe they do genuinely need to be gluten free. Girl, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.760 you can still eat intuitively if you eat gluten free. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.760 You just need to eat gluten free foods. Now, what 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.000 I usually see is people find gluten free as an 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.800 excuse to not eat any carbohydrates at all. The thing 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.720 I always, you know, challenge back to them is like, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.959 if you're practicing intuitive eating, you're still eating carbohydrates. You're 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.240 just eating gluten free versions of carbohydrates. I'm so proud 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.120 of you. First of all, just the way you're spewing 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.800 information so naturally from your heart and from your brain 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.240 at once. It's just a beautiful fusion and you're just 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.160 translating it. You just packed so much into just a 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.440 few minutes of so whoever needs to go back and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.840 even like slow that down. There was a lot of 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.120 good stuff in there. So the protocols that doctors are 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.600 oftentimes putting their patients on who have IBS, sometimes I've 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.840 seen that someone may not have a history of an 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.640 eating disorder or disordered eating, and then they develop one 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.719 because of the protocol. So you know, someone who has 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.400 a history of disordered eating might have a little bit 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.680 more wherewithal stepping into the space of okay, this feels 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.320 a little reminiscent of my disordered days. But do you 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.600 see that the onset of disordered eating can begin with 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.280 a protocol? Yes? Absolutely, And I will say, like digging 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.800 a little deeper, what I feel a lot of because 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.600 we specialize in this, like this triangle of foremost suggestion 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.320 and intuitive eating. We see a lot of times people 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:09.720 get these extreme protocols from holistic natural path functional mess 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.280 and doctors. And I love holistic approaches, like I promise 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.040 I'm not like hating on anything. However, a lot of 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.520 times they are told a laundry list of foods not 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.400 to consumes. More than just go go bomb up or 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.520 go gluten free. A lot of times they're told a 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.480 list of I would dare say, like twenty thirty plus 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.040 foods to not consume. And that's what starts to develop 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.960 the disordered eating because it developed anxiety and starts and 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.160 worry about these foods and never told that it's okay 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.120 to start eating those foods again, are never told that like, hey, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.760 this should only be a temporary solution. So yes, I 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.400 can definitely see how protocols would develop that and it 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.520 makes sense given these circumstances. And I think even if 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.800 someone doesn't want to specialize in even disorders, we just 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.640 all need to better understand how disordered eating man off 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.880 us because it can so quickly happen from just a 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.760 diet or dust a protocol. When you work with people 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.960 who need diet, arry, I'm going to say rules in 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.400 place for their health and the long term. Is it 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.680 better to be broad or specific when telling them what 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.200 to eat or not eat? So, for example, cutting out 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.520 entire food groups versus foods. And I'm genuinely asking, like, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.760 which could be less detrimental to their relationship to food, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.360 whether you're specific or broad? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.760 that's a hard question to answer. You're kind of having 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.720 me over here. Think. I think it could just depend 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.600 on the person. I think sometimes maybe broad Let's say, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.960 just like gluten as an example, would be helpful because 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.920 there's still so many foods that they can consume. As 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.800 I was describing earlier, like you should still be able 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.800 to eat carbohydcrates, You're just gonna go for ones that 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.400 are for your gluten. This idea of avoiding specific foods, 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.480 like I've seen things like avoiding green beans and spinach 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.680 and tomatoes and bell peppers. And usually that's coming from 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.120 the guys that food sensitivity testing, which is not something 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.760 I personally agree with. You know, I get it, And 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.760 I guess you could say a low pop pop die 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.320 is pretty specific. There's a very specific food that have 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.040 fod mops in them. And like I mentioned that is 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.000 an evident space practice, but it was never meant to 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.640 be used for a long term, so I think it 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.800 could be used for short term solution. I just always 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.040 like to emphasize that doesn't need you have to avoid 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.800 all of those fob mops for the rest of her 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.000 life either. Though generally speaking, once someone has done the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.800 personalization of it and they are, you know, doing this 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.520 to manage their IBBEA symptoms, usually it's just things like 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.440 garlic and onions. Maybe beans can be a pretty big 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.040 one too, that they just need to eat less of overall, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.960 And they don't even have to. It's not like someone 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.200 like with siliac and flute and free It's not like 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.680 they had to avoid that food forever or like completely 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.680 eliminate it. Oftentimes it's just a reduction of it, if 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.800 that makes sense. And would you say that cooking techniques 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.280 could alter how the food is digested in the body. Oh? Yeah, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.360 I feel like cooking just always helps, right, So, Like, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.920 for example, apples are a really big fod mop. You 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.480 can cook the apples. I love making like baked apples 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.280 with cinnamon and maple sirrup. Yum, so delicious. Like that's 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.560 the way to make it easier to digest our onions garlet. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.560 That'd be another great example. So let's say you have 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.880 ib us and you love guacamli, maybe you want to 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.879 make hears without garlican onions and as an example, or 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.919 if you do love garlican onions, maybe caramelizing the onions 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.240 because that can help to reduce the overall farm upload 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.280 something like that. That's where I think the knowledge of 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.880 nutrition and cooking practices can be really helpful. And working 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.040 with a dietitian so that you know, when you get 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:19.919 the long list of foods that you can't eat, you 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.240 then go to somebody who could be covered by your insurance, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.760 by the way, and they help you sort through the 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.239 weeds of what you can and can actually eat. And 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.760 then even within the parameters of what you know doesn't 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.159 work for you, is there also a way that this 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.480 food doesn't need to be out of your life forever? 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.600 And that's obviously going to depend on the person. But 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.959 I think it's something that we kind of forget and 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.679 may not even have knowledge of actually is a better word? Yeah, yeah, 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.600 And I mean my personal philosophy is this. I always 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.199 try to liberalize the diet as much as possible. We 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.159 believe in the all foods fit mentality, but again understanding 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.560 that sometimes medal folk conditions require otherwise. But I'm not 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.800 about telling someone like, Okay, well you have these metal 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.600 folk conditions, but let's also make dairy in gluten because 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.560 they're inflammatory and you shouldn't eat them. I think that's 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.119 just a completely different conversation. This whole idea of like 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.440 things being inflammatory is not the same as saying, like, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.080 follow temporarily a loophom off diet for your ibs. So 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.480 let's say a client does come to you and well, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.200 you are working with them and they want to figure 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:21.160 out how food makes them feel. Sometimes it's hard to recognize, okay, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.360 is this a period cramp? And my ovulating? Like why 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.359 went through fertility stuff? So I became very in tune 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.360 with ovulation cramps. I always thought because that's not my period. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.199 I always thought the discomfort I was feeling in my 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.439 stomach was a food related issue. But once I became 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.600 in tune with what my body was doing on my 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.919 minstrel cycle level, I realize, oh my goodness, I'm not 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.160 uncomfortable right now because of something I'm eight. I'm uncomfortable 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.320 because I'm ovulating right now, and I get really bad 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.880 cramps during that time, and I could start to see 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.399 all the signs happening. So I say all that just 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.960 to say that once we become aware of how our 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.560 body is functioning and what's causing it, but I feel 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.280 like even still without that knowledge, there's times where I 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.000 don't know why I feel puffy, or I don't know 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.560 why my stomach is uncomfortable, or is it journaling? How 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.480 do you recommend to people to keep track of how 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.359 it's making them feel and then make decisions based on that. Yeah, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.280 I love this question. I do have to say. I 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.959 think what's so interesting to me is that we always 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.040 go for food as like the reason we're experiencing something. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.560 I always want to clients, like I'm having a ton 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.440 of symptoms this week. My first question to them is 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.760 not what is your stress and anxiety levels like this week, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.160 because that is so underestimated for the way it gives 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.920 us so many symptoms. It can cause that your ability, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.720