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Speaker 1: Fifteen tunny, twenty five, thirty thirty five, forty, forty five, fifty.

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Speaker 3: Stunner good bye, Oh my goodness, he stumbled and football

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Bets on Campus Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by bet MGM. This is the Group of five

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Speaker 1: Deep Dive and reminder to our audience, you can follow

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Speaker 1: B O c G five Deep Dive throughout the season

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Speaker 1: upcoming we'll get a to our futures plays, our win totals,

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Speaker 1: every single pick starting in week zero. But today is

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Speaker 1: a special day for I N. L O and myself

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Speaker 1: because this is our NFL Draft special or as we

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Speaker 1: like to call it, graduation day for our G five kids,

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Speaker 1: the Darling G five superstars who have worked their way

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Speaker 1: through the combine, through the entire offseason. They're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: their names probably in Day two, Day three of this

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Speaker 1: upcoming draft. But it's a very exciting moment for us

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Speaker 1: because we have been there from the beginning, real ogs

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Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys. I know, how is

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Speaker 1: the off season treating you? And how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about the upcoming NFL Draft?

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Speaker 3: I love Draft Day and I despise everything leading up

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Speaker 3: blood boils listening to NFL experts be like, oh, did

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Speaker 3: you see the way we'll Levis through the ball with

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Speaker 3: no defense? Like, yeah, but when there's defense, he sucks

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Speaker 3: at football. But the other thing we wanted to do

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Speaker 3: here is because our guys don't get love. The guys

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Speaker 3: we talk about all year, the NFL expers, don't you know,

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Speaker 3: they're not sitting there breaking down, you know, Memphis Houston tape.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of what we wanted to

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Speaker 3: do and come in here and be like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: like you said, it does feel like graduations. I always

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Speaker 3: feel like a proud papa, you know, I get here.

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Speaker 3: I've watched the Bailey Zappie video of Bill Belichick calling

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Speaker 3: him telling him He's gonna get drafted, and boy do

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Speaker 3: why well up? Just like his dad did. So that's

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Speaker 3: kind of how I feel about these kind.

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Speaker 1: Of NFL drafts, Bailey ZAPPI to respond to a few

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Speaker 1: of those points, I'll start with the Will Levis hype

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Speaker 1: train and just at this point, the whole showing people

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Speaker 1: It's like, is that even good? Is it good to

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Speaker 1: and then be like, that guy's gonna win the Masters.

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Speaker 1: No he's not. That's not like. That's the tiny elements

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Speaker 1: And I've basically had it at this it seems as

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Speaker 3: My favorite was everyone going bananas because Anthony Richardson have

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Speaker 1: And like NFL Blitz, you don't throw a lot of

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Speaker 1: for them. But these guys deserve their love. And unfortunately

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Speaker 3: very soon. I love Taj Spears. I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: But when he gets into the secondary, he's gone. He

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Speaker 3: So I do think he's likely a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: on the tape. Is that fast on the table all

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Speaker 1: the time?

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Speaker 3: You will talk about him next pot too. But you

434
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Speaker 3: mentioned the same thing about pokin Akua. It's like, oh

435
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Speaker 3: you ran about It's like watch him play football. He's

436
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Speaker 3: faster than everyone on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pooka and Akoua. He probably would have been in

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Speaker 1: this conversation if he could stop getting hurt. And that's

439
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Speaker 1: the hardest thing I think from a talent evaluator perspective,

440
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Speaker 1: it's like, how much is a fluky injury? How much

441
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: are you playing through other injuries and get injured again

442
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Speaker 1: because he needed to be on the field to help

443
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Speaker 1: that BYU offense. Like, those are the kind of questions

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Speaker 1: that we're not privy to the answers because a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of that takes place in the off season vetting where

446
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Speaker 1: they're talking to coaching staffs, they're talking to trainers, they're

447
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Speaker 1: having the in depth meetings. So it's interesting too if

448
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Speaker 1: you're looking for an exact marriage between player and team,

449
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Speaker 1: you can go through and google how many in depth meetings.

450
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Speaker 1: Because they're caps by the NFL, they have like the

451
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Speaker 1: combine where they have, you know, quicker interview sessions, but

452
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Speaker 1: they can have these in depth conversations. And you know

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Speaker 1: the fact that Scott was interviewed. He had formal interviews

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Speaker 1: with the Browns, Giants, Raiders and Bears. I just like circle.

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Speaker 3: He is a Raider through oh four to three.

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Speaker 1: Jack, yep, exactly. So it's like barbind of got to

457
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Speaker 1: see the Raiders pull the trigger there cause we're.

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Speaker 3: Kind of jumping around around here, which is fine. The

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Speaker 3: thing I I kind of Dugo Tyler Scott. I saw

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Speaker 3: his name, I'm like, what's Tyler Scott? He had like

461
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Speaker 3: nine touchdowns all year. Grant, you have a great quarterback play.

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Speaker 3: But to me, the I think the reason Tyler Scott

463
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Speaker 3: is getting love is a he ran the fourth three

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Speaker 3: and like the case I would make for him is

465
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Speaker 3: he was a running back in high school. He's insanely fast.

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Speaker 3: He does have good hands. He's also five nines and

467
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Speaker 3: he's small like Dell. The difference is he's not a

468
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Speaker 3: great route runner. He got bumped off his routes a lot.

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Speaker 3: He really he struggled getting through like you know, a

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Speaker 3: release and pressure, which to me is you can't coach

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Speaker 3: speed in hands, but like you can, you can coach

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Speaker 3: route running, which is kind of his biggest issue when

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Speaker 3: you look at him. He's basically played a receiver for

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Speaker 3: two years. He was a running back in high school.

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Speaker 3: He red shirted his freshman year. His sophomore year he

476
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Speaker 3: was the number two behind Alec Pearce and was you know, fine,

477
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Speaker 3: but they had peers, they ran the ball, Tom droh

478
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Speaker 3: forward and then last year was like kind of his

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Speaker 3: first year being the guy. So he's still super raw.

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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be shocked if the team's like played

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Speaker 3: He's played receiver for two years and he's fast. We

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Speaker 3: could teach him the rest. So I do think a team,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I said, he's he's just the Raiders

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Speaker 3: are gonna be like, oh, we could teach him to

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Speaker 3: play better. We just got to get the speed guy.

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Speaker 3: So I was a little surprised to see Tamas Scott's name.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know Trey Tucker, which is a good

488
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Speaker 3: receiver as he was, But so that surprised me a

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Speaker 3: little bit. But I could see the logic behind a

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Speaker 3: I think Dell and Anne Rice should both go ahead

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Speaker 1: Into some defensive guys that we like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: throw out a player that I think is going to

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Speaker 1: be a surprise in terms of where he's drafted. I'm

529
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Speaker 1: not sure if he can get into the top of

530
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Speaker 1: the third round, but I think there's a chance he

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Speaker 1: sneaks in at the bottom half of the third round.

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Speaker 1: And from a measurables perspective, this is usually where there's

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Speaker 1: a gulf between the power five guys and the G

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Speaker 1: five guys. It's like there's the tank Dells of the

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Speaker 1: world where if he was six feet tall, he'd be

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, but he doesn't have all those measurables.

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Speaker 1: Not the case was Zach Koontz from All Dominion six

538
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Speaker 1: seven two fifty five four five five forty yard dash like,

539
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Speaker 1: that's just incredible in terms of his overall physicality. In

540
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Speaker 1: terms of his athleticism score. Next Gen NFL ranked him

541
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Speaker 1: first at the combine for tight ends and when you

542
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Speaker 1: looked at his full year production in twenty twenty two,

543
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Speaker 1: seventy three receptions almost seven hundred yards five TVs. When

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Speaker 1: you watch some of the games, as we you know,

545
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Speaker 1: we were all on that Odu train hoping that the

546
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Speaker 1: wolf Pack could lead them to a better season. But

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Speaker 1: whenever he did get the ball, the guy was electric.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of gronk like in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 1: after the catch, he could plow people over, He could

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Speaker 1: you know, leap, he could outrun some folks. He's one

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Speaker 1: hundred to one to be the first tight end taken.

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Speaker 1: Also a strange market in the fish see hundred to

553
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Speaker 1: one to be the second tight end taken. So you

554
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Speaker 1: might as well go number two, I think in that case,

555
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Speaker 1: because I think Michael Meyer from Notre Dame basically has

556
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Speaker 1: that locked up in terms of where he's projected. Now,

557
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Speaker 1: this is why. It's a little bit of a gutsy

558
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Speaker 1: prediction by me. It's basically fourth round across the board

559
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Speaker 1: cbsc Athletic. There's a lot of teams that have tight

560
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Speaker 1: end needs chief among them, in my opinion, can you

561
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Speaker 1: imagine him with Joe Burrow in that Bengals offense. I

562
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Speaker 1: think they need somebody who's able to stretch the middle

563
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Speaker 1: of the field a little bit. The Lions traded t J.

564
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Speaker 1: Hockinson away to Minnesota, which I think long term roster

565
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Speaker 1: building was a great move by the Lions, but they

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Speaker 1: need to replace him with a real stud Packers as well.

567
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Speaker 1: Chargers ever is pretty old. Dolphins just sick. He ends

568
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Speaker 1: up walking in free agency. Speaking of JESSICKI, you know,

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Speaker 1: Koontz was a Penn State kid, and I think that

570
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Speaker 1: is an indication of where he was viewed from a

571
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Speaker 1: scouting perspective right out of high school. Like Penn State

572
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Speaker 1: is one of the best tight end programs in the country,

573
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Speaker 1: and they viewed him as the next great one to

574
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Speaker 1: step in. He ends up transferring has that one breakout

575
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Speaker 1: year for the Monarchs. I love this guy. I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be a really good NFL player. I

577
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Speaker 1: can't speak to his overall you know, run blocking, because

578
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of shotgun for Odu. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different than the NFL as an

580
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Speaker 1: inline blocker. If he can just be a mediocre blocker

581
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Speaker 1: at his size, which I imagine you have to be with

582
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Speaker 1: his his length, his wingspan, everything else. I think this

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Speaker 1: guy has the potential to be a pro Bowl tight end.

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Speaker 1: So does a team fall in love with them the

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Speaker 1: third round? I'm at least gonna make that, But.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the Packers are taking Dalton and Kid

587
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Speaker 3: in the first round, so unfortunately we won't be there

588
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Speaker 3: to take take Koontz. But you mentioned it, and I

589
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: was gonna bring this up too. That's to me the

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00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: most important that I look for in a JEF in

591
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: the DG five ask Sometimes you worry about the knock

592
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Speaker 3: on them being like, you know, oh, they they played

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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: lesser competition so they just look good, or you have

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00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: the you know, they weren't very good and then had

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Speaker 3: one big breakout year or grew a tent or something

596
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Speaker 3: like that. You mentioned it Coonts. You know he was

597
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Speaker 3: a four star recruit. He was the number four tight

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Speaker 3: end in his clients he went to Penn State and played.

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Speaker 3: He was on the Pensate roster for three years. The

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Speaker 3: biggest thing with him was just you mentioned it. It's

601
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Speaker 3: basically become tight in you. He was behind Gasiki or

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Speaker 3: I think it's my No, he's a friar meth at first,

603
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Speaker 3: and then you know Brent Strange, who is also going

604
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Speaker 3: to get drafted, THEO Johnson, Tyler Warren. You know, I went,

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Speaker 3: I'm pen Sate, like Penn State has a ton of

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Speaker 3: tight ends and we just wrote tight them and they're

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Speaker 3: all sick. We were coming in to tight ends Penn State,

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Speaker 3: you know, Kasiki, Jesse James. We've just been pumping out

609
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Speaker 3: tight ends into the NFL. And so it's not like

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Speaker 3: he wasn't good. I mean he had he had offers

611
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Speaker 3: from Alabama, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC all

612
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Speaker 3: wanted him to play, and you know, he couldn't crack

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Speaker 3: the Penn State rotations because we had so many guys.

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Speaker 3: Brent sat probably gets drafted before him. So it's not

615
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Speaker 3: like a huge upset. And when Ricky Ronnie was his

616
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Speaker 3: tight ends coach and offensive coordinator leaves the first thing

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Speaker 3: Ricky Ronnie does is say you're coming with me because

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Speaker 3: you're a freak. So that to me kind of alleviates

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Speaker 3: all the worry about the G five and the lesser competition.

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Speaker 3: It's like Ricky Ronnie watched this dude in practice going

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Speaker 3: up against you know, Micah Parsons and then you know

622
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Speaker 3: these you know, Gyres Shorter and uh Jakwan Brisker and

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Speaker 3: all these like you know corners. We've been putting out

624
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Speaker 3: Joey Porter Jr. And he's like, I want you on

625
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Speaker 3: my team. That's the first thing I'm saying I'm doing

626
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Speaker 3: to bring you with me. So I agree. It's kind

627
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Speaker 3: of a hard there's a ton of tight ends this year,

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Speaker 3: so it's like it's hard to predict him, project him.

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Speaker 3: But he's a guy that I definitely would love to

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Speaker 3: have on my team. You know, if the Packers didn't

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Speaker 3: take Kincaid, I would definitely like take him and you know,

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Speaker 3: take him in the third. He's also a guy that

633
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Speaker 3: might be a good look to kind of. I mean,

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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Titans are so hard, especially like early but like you know,

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Speaker 3: Rookie Dynasty. You kind of look at the Isaiah Likely

636
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: you kind of you know model and how you know

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Speaker 3: people expect big things out of him. He kind of

638
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: takes that Konton's storm if he ends us been a

639
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Speaker 3: good spot. He probably doesn't do anything his first one

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Speaker 3: or two years, but with that size and speed, he's

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Speaker 3: a guy i'd want on my bench, you know, just

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Speaker 3: in case.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's close that with some defensive love. Who's

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Speaker 1: your favorite defensive player potentially in that round two, round three,

645
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Speaker 1: round four window.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I don't know that any go

647
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Speaker 3: in the top two three rounds, but if I had

648
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Speaker 3: to bet one of them, you know, I know Andre

649
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: Carr's getting a lot of love. I'm sure you'll you'll

650
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Speaker 3: touch on him. To me, the best G five defense

651
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: defensive player in this draft is Dorian Williams. He's the

652
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Speaker 3: guy the more I like, you know, kind of rewatched

653
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: two l A games for him and spears and stuff like,

654
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: he's everywhere. He does everything. You know. You know, Carter's

655
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: good at kind of pass rushing and I'm sure you'll

656
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: we'll talk on him after this, but Derren Williams does everything.

657
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: Dude had one hundred and thirty one tackles last season,

658
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: eight and a half tackles for a lost, five sacks,

659
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Speaker 3: two forced fumbles, two interceptions. He ran a four to four.

660
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: He's crazy athletic for like a mid middle ish you know,

661
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 3: inside linebacker. He's killion runs that weird four to two

662
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: five defense, So he's kind of alone in the middle.

663
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: You know, they have the pass rushers to the secondary,

664
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Speaker 3: then he's basically alone in the middle and has to

665
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: kind of do everything. He does both all lot and

666
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: does both very well. He's great at rating the ball.

667
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: He's really really good instincts, but you know, with his

668
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: eyes a little undersize, which again is kind of why

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Speaker 3: he's in this three four you know range, But he

670
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: does everything for them. You watch the USC game, he

671
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: was their defensive MVP. He had seventeen tackles against one

672
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: of the best offenses in the country. He was everywhere

673
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: on that Every time USC needed a first down, he

674
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: went flying and speared dude out of balance to keep

675
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Speaker 3: him at you know, just seven yards instead of ten.

676
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: So he's not the biggest guy, but I just think

677
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: his versatility as a guy who if they run the ball,

678
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: you can trust him to come up and make the tackle.

679
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: If they throw the ball, you can trust him. In coverage,

680
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: he's really good at you know, I think he's really

681
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: good in coverage. I think he's super underrated in that aspect.

682
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: So we saw good that twenty defense was and he

683
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: was everything for them. So I think he's got the

684
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: motor and the juice to be really successful at the

685
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: NFL level. So to me, Jorian Williams would be my

686
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: first G five defender off the board.

687
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good pick. I don't necessarily believe

688
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: that in my pick will be the first G five

689
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: defender off the board, but I'm going to really get

690
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: interested in looking at live numbers for him at the

691
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: end of the third beginning of the fourth. As Nick

692
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Hampton from app state, the fun Belt has produced a

693
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of great defenders over the last ten years. And

694
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Speaker 1: not only was he super productive, but you look at

695
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: the apples to apples comparison. They played North Carolina, they

696
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: played A and M at the bend of the season.

697
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: He had three tackles for loss in those two games,

698
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: a force, fumble and a fumble recovery. When you pair

699
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: that with his overall production the last two years, twenty

700
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: seven tackles for loss, and the fact that you want

701
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: to have as many options on the table as possible

702
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: when you're looking purely at when this player is going

703
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: to go. If you can get a number, you know,

704
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: does he go in the next ten picks something like that.

705
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: You could argue that twenty five of thirty two NFL

706
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: teams could use another edge rusher. It's just one of

707
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: those positions where your room can never be deep enough.

708
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Like the talk on the Eagles going into the Super

709
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Bowl was not just that they had this game changer

710
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: JJ Watt kind of pass rusher. It was that they

711
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: came in waves that they had three and four guys

712
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: that they could rotate in on that edge, keeping people fresh.

713
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: And the NFL, where the passing games are so sophisticated

714
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: and the high end quarterback play is so good, you

715
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: want to drop six guys the majority of the time.

716
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: So you want to get to the quarterback with four

717
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: and five rushers, and to do that you have to

718
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Speaker 1: get some real dudes up front. I love Hampton. I

719
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Speaker 1: thought he was fantastic throughout the entire season. Watched a

720
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Speaker 1: lot of app state football as we covered the Sunbelt

721
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Speaker 1: as closely as NYG five conference. I think you know

722
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: his measurables as well. Six to two hundred and thirty

723
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Speaker 1: six pounds. He ran a four or five eight forty

724
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Speaker 1: yard dash, So to me, I think he checks all

725
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: the boxes. It's just a question of is there a

726
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: run on edge rushers. Does somebody you know, go a

727
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: little bit early and kind of start that domino train

728
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: of these players coming off the board in the second

729
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: and third round. And if that's the case, I think

730
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: he could be the fifth or sixth guy at that position.

731
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Speaker 1: And it's a position of need for every team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. What are your thoughts on maybe reaching a

733
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: little bit, but absolutely needing somebody to be in a

734
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: pass rush for rotation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so glad you brought him up because I

736
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: was actually gonna touch on him as my counterpoint. I

737
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: hate you know, and then this show on a negative note,

738
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Speaker 3: and especially when you're when you're shitting on the United

739
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: States Army, I don't get the Andre Carter love at all.

740
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: When you know when he got you know, it's great

741
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: that he was able to kind of I don't even

742
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: remember what happened. He postponed his service basic there's all

743
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: that drama that initiation. He was he was gonna have

744
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: to fill his service duties, and every article was like

745
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: first round projected. You know, it's like, what are you

746
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: talking about? First round? He'll be lucky he goes in

747
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: the first four rounds.

748
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think his postseason, the draft process, the Senior Bowl,

749
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: I think just everything. Nothing was catastrophic, but everything was

750
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: like a little bit downhill. And also we talk about

751
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: this with offensive players where it's like, oh, the guy

752
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: got one hundred and twenty targets, so no kidding, he

753
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: got he caught one hundred passes. The way that they

754
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: used him defensively, they're trying to put him in the

755
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: highest volume production spots on the field defensively all the time.

756
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: So he did have an incredible season two years ago

757
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: from a tackles for a lost perspective, But how much

758
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: of that was scheme versus how much was that him

759
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: being like a Will Anderson type. They're not in the

760
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: same class. And I think that there was a time

761
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: when people kind of talked about him in that top

762
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: twenty range, and I just don't think it's justified based

763
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: on how he's going to match up against NFL talent.

764
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said it was scheme and all, you know,

765
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: you mentioned you're talking about he had fifteen and a

766
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: half sacks, in twenty twenty twenty one, he hit three

767
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: and a half year because teams just blocked him. He

768
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: is he's super long, he's sixty seven. He is explosive,

769
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: but he weighs two hundred and fifty pounds and to

770
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: be two fifty at six seven is bananas. This dude

771
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: is an absolute twig and he got He got bullied

772
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: at the Singer Bowl. He got pushed around. He was

773
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: obviously outmashed and pushed around and even sawd you know,

774
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: during the season. He he's he's not very good with

775
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: his hands at the point of attack. He's not good

776
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: at shedding blocks. He's just long in bendy. So basically,

777
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: if he can get a free rush off the edge

778
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: and the tight end forgets to block him and he

779
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: gets a free run at the quarterback. You know, he's fast,

780
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: he gets through every time, but it's like if a

781
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: tackle gets his hands on him, he's cooked. So, like

782
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: I said, he's falling down the draft boards after his

783
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, and you know some of his testing because

784
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: he's so skinny, I he's I don't think he has

785
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: a shot to see the field as a rookie, probably

786
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: even a two. He needs like two or three years

787
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: to just live in a weight room and boke up.

788
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: I do think he has upside, so I think he

789
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: will be in kind of the fit fourth you know,

790
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: maybe gets lucky he goes in the fourth, probably more

791
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 3: luckily fourth and fifth round. You know, he just needs

792
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: he needs to live in the lay. What was that

793
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: who the NFLPA survey that came out, who were like

794
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: the top teams in the layer. It was like the

795
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: the Vikings and the Dolphins. I think if he ends

796
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: up in the Dolphins and can live in that a

797
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: plus rated weight room, he could have a solid career.

798
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: If he ends up in Baltimore or Arizona, his NFL

799
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: career is over and thank you for your service because

800
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: he's going to be shipped off to the military real

801
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: soon because he needs to get big. He is just

802
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I you know, I saw his

803
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: name a ton in like the first round. It's like,

804
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? So to me, I was

805
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: gonna bring him your guy up as well. I think,

806
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: you know, I'd much rather take him that if you're

807
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: gonna go edge. But if you're gonna go ahead, I'd

808
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: rather go with Nick Campden. If you're going to go defense. Then,

809
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: like I said, I'm a big fan of Williams.

810
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we've wetted your appetite with some of this

811
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: this talk. At the top of the draft. I'm not

812
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: quite the first round, not even really the second round

813
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of these picks, but the draft is

814
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: going to be chocked full of former G five heroes

815
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: in Day three, which is what we're going to get

816
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: into in our next podcast, which is going to drop

817
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: later this week, So please keep an eye on that

818
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: on your podcast feeds. We'll be able to get into

819
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: some of those players that are really the lifeblood of

820
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: any championship run. On the fantasy side, you got to

821
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: get those running backs who end up, you know, in

822
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: a time share or in some cases the Alfred Morrises

823
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: of the world where everything comes together, and those fifth

824
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: and sixth round skill position players.

825
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: Boy, little teaser, I already know my guy. I'm gonna

826
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: if my brother and Kasden hum my Dynasty League they

827
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: just listen to the pod, I'm not letting them listen

828
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: to the next one, because I'm telling you I got

829
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: a guy circle big time that the second I don't

830
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 3: think you get drafted and you know your Dynasty rookie

831
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: drafts and usually two three rounds. He probably doesn't go

832
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: the second the draft ends. It ends, I'm picking him

833
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: up as a free agent and we'll tease him. We'll

834
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 3: talk about him.

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