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Speaker 1: I got a new one coming. It's coming, but I

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Speaker 1: had to let this ride a few more times.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Tell all of them, raak it up, break it down.

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Speaker 1: You gotta bag it up, mess it up, bag it up,

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Speaker 4: Got strap it Oh, back it out, give it up.

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Speaker 4: Lead to strap, Lee, take a lot, lead the strap.

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Speaker 4: You got issues? No, I don't you got I mean

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Speaker 4: not as bad as Lee's, but you definitely got issues.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations to everybody involved. They have somehow, some way kept

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Speaker 4: the Trey hendricks Trey Hendrickson drama and saga going for

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Speaker 4: you at another turn, because on Sunday it was reported

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Speaker 4: that now we're talking trade scenario. Cincinnati is listening to

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Speaker 4: trade offers for Trey Hendrickson as contract talks are at

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Speaker 4: an impasse, according to NFL network insiders Ian Rappaport and

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Speaker 4: Tom Pellasero. Rap report added that any deal to get

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Speaker 4: Hendrickson away from Cincinnati will be expensive, likely requiring a

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Speaker 4: young player and a future draft pick. So apparently they've

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Speaker 4: made no sort of progress on contract talks, and now

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Speaker 4: with the season fast approaching, Trey Hendronson could potentially.

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Speaker 3: Be dealt before the year starts. Yeah, and why would

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Speaker 3: they make any progress? Why would anything change? Well, why

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Speaker 3: would anything change from where's but just because he showed

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Speaker 3: back up? I mean clearly the Bengals don't want to

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Speaker 3: pay him what he wants, and I would assume there's

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Speaker 3: been teams that have called previously to trade for him,

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Speaker 3: when the timing would have made a little bit more sense.

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Speaker 3: You had more time to get traded, learn the system,

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Speaker 3: get involved him. He still has time, but this is

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Speaker 3: to an in passy where it's like, all right, let's

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Speaker 3: just go our separate ways. There's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but I think the hard part is not

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Speaker 3: only is the asking price for the trade gonna be expensive,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna cost him not just draft capital, but actual

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how long this thing plays out, because

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's either gonna have to you know, move forward and

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Speaker 3: try to you know, force him to come play for

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Speaker 3: gonna have to take a lesser offer. But I think

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Speaker 3: the long term, the long term view of this situation,

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Speaker 3: get through it like Cincinnati's on the cusp. I think

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Speaker 3: Whatever the case is, this is exhausting, Like I think,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm tired of talking about it. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I'll say this. I think you're You're right.

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Speaker 1: Who started it off Cleveland? Right, And it's like, dang,

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Speaker 1: is the face of the Cleveland Browns. He gets his

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Speaker 3: Undoubtedly TJ Watt. Who are you gonna who?

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Speaker 1: working against Hendrickson and Micah Parsons Because as much as

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Speaker 1: I don't think for certain and Hendrickson's situation, he's not

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Speaker 1: And I mean you could decide if it's between Hendrickson

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Speaker 1: Debate between CD Lamb and Michael Parsons. I think the

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Speaker 1: I really believe he's willing to stand on that because

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Speaker 3: If we're doing it based on Jersey sales. To your point,

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins at number three for

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Speaker 3: Hendricks No, but it's gonna be close. But somewhere in

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Speaker 4: I mean, remember we were having the conversation, was it

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Speaker 3: And get deals done, And it was.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you got to pick two of the three,

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Speaker 4: who are you going to pay and it and they

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Speaker 4: already paid them, They've already paid them.

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Speaker 3: They chose, they've already paid.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that that necessarily means that

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Speaker 4: prioritize getting those guys done, and then Trey Hendrickson was like, well,

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Speaker 3: Deal with that want.

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Speaker 4: And people say that Jerry Jones really only opens up

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Speaker 1: Who else has he really like broke the bank? The

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Speaker 1: I mean he paid Lawrence, but I mean he didn't

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Speaker 3: Did a good deal. It was a great deal. I

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Speaker 3: want to say he was pretty close when he did it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a great deal.

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Speaker 1: But you're we're talking Michael Parsons is probably seeking more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no doubt. I mean, honestly, here's

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Speaker 3: to a crossroads for Hendrickson is if you're an agent

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Speaker 3: or you're Trey Hendrickson, you're saying to the team, what

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Speaker 3: something more long term. And the Bengals are obviously looking

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Speaker 3: thought in their mind of, yeah, that was unbelievable, really

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Speaker 3: even with all your production, it did intended any thing

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Speaker 3: I go back to even just Al Golden, the defensive

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Speaker 3: like talents. Talent. You want to have your best players

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Speaker 3: out there if you can, but if you don't, you know,

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Speaker 3: you can scheme some things up to overload protections, to

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Speaker 3: He did that a lot of Notre Dame, where they'd

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Speaker 3: what was there wasn't working.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,

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Speaker 3: but not for the team and their success. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a player,

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Speaker 3: you're sitting there saying, go, look at the tape. I've

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Speaker 3: done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna hold against because what my age? What

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Speaker 3: else is there? What else is there?

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Speaker 1: He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's

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Speaker 1: not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of

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Speaker 1: and I get it, But if you were one of us,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it playing out this way? You know

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Speaker 4: from now, Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and

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Speaker 4: detailed when he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for

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Speaker 4: Week one this upcoming season.

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Speaker 3: Here was the Browns head coach.

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Speaker 5: I want to get through the next couple of days,

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Speaker 5: but certainly that's something that we're gonna do here, sooner

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Speaker 5: or later. I need to get the football team in here,

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Speaker 5: talk to the players, those type of things. So we're

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Speaker 5: working towards obviously Week one, you know, that's part of

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Speaker 5: what this week is about getting our football team ready.

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Speaker 5: So we'll make all tho those type of determinations in

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Speaker 5: the next.

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Speaker 3: Couple of days. So I'm gonna go out on a

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Speaker 3: limb here.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco, all right, So

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Speaker 4: that's gonna be my prediction.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have knocks blocks. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna second that. I think it's gonna be Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco as a starting quarterback wins when what Yeah, while

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Speaker 3: we go back to that well, now we have options, right.

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Speaker 3: That's the worst one though. That's why we have options,

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Speaker 3: because we hated that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really like envision Q is Mario, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I

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Speaker 4: just don't see you as being short, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.

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Speaker 3: Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was taller too skinny though you're jacked, he's not.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah he's not. He wasn't. Now we're done. That

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Speaker 3: one's way better. Lee might like that one the best. Lee.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, what wow?

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Speaker 4: That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday,

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Speaker 4: brooking snakes.

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Speaker 3: What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: exactly the same thing I'm wearing now. Yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure. Hey, Lee, where'd you see? What that not? Again?

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Speaker 3: A couple of couches? Well, you need a good mattress.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, good sleep starts with a good mattress.

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Speaker 3: And I trudged the mattress from Sleep That's Goods to

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495
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Speaker 3: very good at cue. That was very well done, you know.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over the.

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Speaker 3: Weekend and he looked, good man. He's a competitor. Yeah, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: here we go. Did anyone take offense to that or

499
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Speaker 3: take that a certain way?

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I could care less. I just saw

501
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: it making its rounds.

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00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, the first thing I thought about

504
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: when I saw that or heard the sound bite was

505
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Speaker 1: if you recall there was a guy by the name

506
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: of Dan Lanning that wasn't into social media and acting

507
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's about playing football. Now, I

508
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: don't know, fighting for clicks, for fighting for wins. I

509
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: don't know if that was that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team,

510
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't believe. But obviously I think that there is

511
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: the connection to Dan Landing in Oregon and what that

512
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: messaging was. So now it's interesting, if some way, somehow,

513
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: because it does appear that Shador has no problem addressing

514
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Speaker 1: his critics or anybody that has something to say about him.

515
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like he has any issues with it.

516
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if they had a conversation about that, the.

517
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Speaker 4: Fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.

518
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: I'm a competitor.

519
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,

520
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: he took a shot at shad Or Sanders. It's just

521
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: exactly what people are trying to turn this into. It's

522
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Speaker 4: now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shud Or Sanders.

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00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: It's because you know why it's turning into that, because

524
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Speaker 1: that's what people are thinking.

525
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: I mean, let's be clear.

526
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Speaker 1: People are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and

527
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's

528
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: that's him adding on to it. But it's already like

529
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment.

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Speaker 4: I like the fact that they ask about it after

531
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: the game, and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking

532
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: about Shador, but made it a point to tell the

533
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Speaker 4: media there in attendance, No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor,

534
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: which I don't know that. I fully agree with that because.

535
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: You have to.

536
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Speaker 1: I mean, the the media industry is very competitive. Yeah,

537
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: but we're competing and and get I get what.

538
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: He's saying though, like we're here for entertainment, right, Like

539
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: that's ultimately what it's about.

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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well that is true. I mean now

541
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: that you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know, sports,

542
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's

543
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries

544
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,

545
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions

546
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: on different things that are taking place. I mean, I

547
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,

548
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: at least I know I am. You know, I'm not

549
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,

550
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I did play the game too, so I don't have

551
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a

552
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Speaker 1: competitor in my life as well.

553
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: So do you think people are going to go after

554
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are

555
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this?

556
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: I think it will suck if because the only people

557
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: that are really going to go after him that it

558
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: really matters is within the market, Like the fan base

559
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that. Depending on

560
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said

561
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: it from the jump, the minute they drave to Shador Sanders,

562
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal

563
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he

564
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.

565
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer

566
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball

567
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: in that first game, he made some throws that I

568
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: didn't I mean, I didn't realize he could throw the

569
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: ball that well. I mean, I knew he could play,

570
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: but I just didn't know he was hitting tight windows

571
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: like he was doing in that game. He can play football,

572
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: But I do believe that his stardom his start, and

573
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom

574
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,

575
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: and you're seeing that in Cleveland.

576
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts

577
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcasing that

578
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: first game was his ability to kind of move around

579
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: and showcase his athleticism that like he can be a

580
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you with

581
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: his legs, because you know he was very hesitant to

582
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: do it at the college level. But to your point,

583
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going

584
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: to be tied to each other because they're drafted in

585
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: the same year and there's only one guy who starts,

586
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: and so whether or not they want to describe it

587
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: as a competition or however you want to go about

588
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: doing it, it's just it is what it is. It's

589
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: really hard to, you know, have those sorts of feelings

590
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: where you can you things can be friendly when you

591
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: guys are both fighting for a job, whether that's the

592
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: starting job, a backup, hell, it could be a roster spot.

593
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: You know you were you were in competition with one another,

594
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: and you know, how Dylan Gabriel operates and how Shoud

595
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: or Santo's operate are completely different. But in regards to

596
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: what we saw in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel

597
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: did everything he needs to do to continue to be

598
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: in that conversation for either the backup because I think

599
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: Flacco is the starter. We've you know, addressed that or

600
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: make a roster spot. He was on time, on point,

601
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: He was very accurate. You know. The interception was such

602
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: a fluke, weird play off a boot. I mean, there's

603
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: a lot of things that went wrong. You know, obviously

604
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: he just needs to throw it away at that point

605
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: and he'll learn that. You know, it's preseason, so it's

606
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: a good learning lesson. I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin

607
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: Stefansk are telling him that. But it doesn't help when

608
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: your flat control bleeds up the field, it allows a

609
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: defender to undercut it. It doesn't help that the overall

610
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: like everything was kind of collapsing all into one big

611
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: team meeting. So you know, chalk it up as a

612
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: learning lesson and as a mistake. But it wasn't just

613
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: on him. You know, you just ultimately are the ones

614
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: that that's created on it because you have the football.

615
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: So everyone seems to blame you in the end, where really,

616
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: if there's a little more separation, maybe there's a window,

617
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: maybe there's someone else you can make a play on

618
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 3: the football, or at worse, it's it's a complete but

619
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: I digress. I think you know, it's not so much

620
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: the intrigu about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks

621
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: can be week one, it's who the quarterback is, you know,

622
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: Week seventeen, And is that game even a meaningful game

623
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: for the Browns with whoever is that starting quarterback?

624
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 5: For him?

625
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: And public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment factor

626
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: that Shador Sanders brings to the table.

627
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they

628
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through

629
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: that pick one of the first camera shots they.

630
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Went, They can't. I cannot out and I'll take it

631
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: a step further. I'll take it a step further. Tell

632
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: I'll take it a step further. Joe Flatco will not

633
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: be able to outplay the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders

634
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: brings to the table.

635
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. If Chador does what we saw

636
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: him do in the first preseason game, if he plays

637
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: that way, because it wasn't that long ago that the

638
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: Browns drafted Johnny Manzel and people were saying the exact

639
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: same thing you're saying right now. And the problem is

640
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: when the play doesn't come with it, then it's like, okay,

641
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: now it's just a circus. So that's the problem is,

642
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, it looks all good when you walk out

643
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: in a fight and you got the you know, a

644
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: whole crew and the whole you know, parade coming out

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Speaker 3: with you. But that's when you win. When you don't win,

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Speaker 3: then it's like it turns against you. So again, all

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Speaker 3: that stuff right now doesn't matter. It only was gonna

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Speaker 3: matter if he doesn't play well, which again I think

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Speaker 3: he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking about a coach

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Speaker 3: he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards, who knows

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Speaker 3: how to put his quarterbacks in a position to succeed.

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Speaker 3: And this is a talented roster around them. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal training camp preseason.

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Speaker 3: So far, like they've got young kats, a wide receiver

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Speaker 3: who stepped up, who have looked the part. So it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be really interesting. I just I think that it

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Speaker 3: sounds all all good. But it's not that long ago

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Speaker 3: that we kind of saw the entertainment value of Johnny

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Speaker 3: Manzel and the clamoring for Johnny Manziel and then that

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Speaker 3: quickly faded by the wayside.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to totally take a different take on that

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Speaker 1: because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,

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Speaker 1: was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I

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Speaker 1: believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be

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Speaker 1: a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly

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Speaker 1: and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think

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Speaker 1: he will always because he has so much built up

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Speaker 1: in terms of what his family name, what his dad

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Speaker 1: has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people

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Speaker 1: have related Shador Sanders to, and being connected to his dad.

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Speaker 1: I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done

673
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Speaker 1: such an excellent job of building out the identity of

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built

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Speaker 1: out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: even come close to Johnny Manziel, doesn't even come close

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Speaker 1: because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's Champion,

678
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Speaker 1: he did it the way he wanted to do it,

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Speaker 1: and the money and this that and the other, his

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Speaker 1: controversial type of ways and the way people were very

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Speaker 1: split and divided in terms of how they felt about

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think

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Speaker 1: there he has grabbed a very captive audience and a

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Speaker 1: very very specific demo that they're not going to go

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Speaker 1: for Schador.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is, Well, here's here's the one

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Speaker 3: thing I got sand rebuttal to that is yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: I know. As soon as I saw him they're showing

689
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Speaker 3: him walking out for that first preseason game, I had

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Speaker 3: people text me to go, here we go again, like

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Speaker 3: for everything you just said and how sympathetic with the

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Speaker 3: draft and all that stuff. As soon as it was

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Speaker 3: like the kind of circus coming into the game, there

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Speaker 3: are people who already started to get the side eye

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Speaker 3: to it. We're like, you already lost them. Like if

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Speaker 3: there was sympathetic, they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.

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Speaker 3: There are people who are like, all right, right back

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Speaker 3: to kind of the whole circus and everything else off

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Speaker 3: the show. So again, none of it matters. None of

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Speaker 3: it matters. If he plays well, they win. That's that's

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Speaker 3: that's all that matters. Right at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: that's all that I don't know that he's going to play.

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Speaker 1: I think that the way it plays out, his public

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Speaker 1: opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all

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Speaker 1: over their neck, which plays in his his favor, because

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be in a situation where he's

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Speaker 1: lowering his value that way, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: He's going to be watching.

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Speaker 4: It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on

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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we are going to

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Speaker 4: your presets in the iHeart app so we'll always pop

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Speaker 4: up at the top of your screen. So we're we

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Speaker 4: don't have a whole lot of time. Do we want

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Speaker 4: to bump the fsr IR to top of next hour?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole show has been an FSR IR.

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Speaker 3: What do you get back? What do you mean back?

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Speaker 3: Get that anything for? Take a lap? I don't know

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Speaker 3: what to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was distract I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: taking on a few different names this morning.

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Speaker 3: I mean I just was.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand how it took this loan to

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Speaker 1: tell that story like that is wild.

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Speaker 4: Just you know, the couch surfing and the friendly couple

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Speaker 4: just jogged like all those years, all these years later,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish you uh,

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Speaker 4: I wish you guys could have been there for that tale.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I think it's better just hearing it

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Speaker 4: the way I heard it, I guess, or maybe not

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Speaker 4: at all. Ever, Yeah, that was that was definitely something

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Speaker 4: that took place. So so yeah, maybe we'll uh we'll

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Speaker 4: throw this, throw this up top of next hour.

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Speaker 3: We'll do the f s R I R lee good

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Speaker 3: with that, good with the adjusted on the fly for that,

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Speaker 3: you know me I'm good with anything. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well said that. That is correct, That is definitely correct.

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Speaker 4: But Lee and also Lee's very excited about the lineup

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Speaker 4: on one of the local news channels today, very excited.

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Speaker 4: It's a Lee's team all the way here.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's about right,