Speaker 1: Forever. Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness calling?
Speaker 1: And as I just told about one seconds before we
Speaker 1: did the countdown into the Dingdong, I have an updated
Speaker 1: I stand Selena Gomez. Now I thought you were always
Speaker 1: on board. Well, I always appreciated that she is catering
Speaker 1: to what I call her army of gaze, because if
Speaker 1: you listen to the Selena Gomez U she is knows
Speaker 1: she has gaze of stomping. Yeah, but that's like not
Speaker 1: specific to her. That's like every woman who sings, right,
Speaker 1: but not actually I don't know, not every woman who
Speaker 1: sings yeah, and that's what they're called. And that's debatable
Speaker 1: for Selina, which I'm saying is like a part of
Speaker 1: her appeals that she cannot say, but she and yet
Speaker 1: she puts out these cannot she cannot it's important. But
Speaker 1: she's really good at being a singer. She I think
Speaker 1: she's a really good at being a celebrity that we
Speaker 1: care about and are tuning in for because I care
Speaker 1: so much about her. We care so much, We care deeply.
Speaker 1: It's actually a real culture. And number nine, we care
Speaker 1: so deeply. Now, what's your can I tell you she's
Speaker 1: not a good singer, and she's sort of, but she
Speaker 1: is very good. Did you see the Lose You to
Speaker 1: Love Me? Video? I didn't, the one that was shot
Speaker 1: on an iPhone, shot her iPhone and also look at
Speaker 1: her now the second single is also shot on iPhone.
Speaker 1: That's that's like her thing right now, Kay Dickinson Morning Show,
Speaker 1: Honey Apple plus Fish, which I will also touch on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: and but but let me just say I'm absolutely standing
Speaker 1: Lose You to Love Me? And fact I listened to
Speaker 1: it every day and you tweeted that yesterday on the
Speaker 1: flight back to New York you brought your phone with
Speaker 1: you into the toilet, into the restroom to take a
Speaker 1: poop on planes, which is something I'm exploring now in
Speaker 1: my late twenties, taking poops on. You've never taken a
Speaker 1: poop on a plane. I would say that in my
Speaker 1: life up till my late twenties, I was afraid to
Speaker 1: take poops on. Now I'm unafraid to take poops on.
Speaker 1: What is it the suction, it's the sound, it's just
Speaker 1: really the sitting down of it all on the seat
Speaker 1: that's been used by approximately a million people before me.
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta suck it up. You just
Speaker 1: gotta suck it up. Um, well, not really suck it up.
Speaker 1: You gotta poop it out, poop it out. But okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, not to to go, move away from graphic
Speaker 1: content and more towards Selena. Yes, so lose you to
Speaker 1: love me. I feel is a good song that I
Speaker 1: love and I'm not surprised to hear it one number one.
Speaker 1: But then you hear um, look at her now and
Speaker 1: you have you have to respect. Okay, I haven't even
Speaker 1: heard look at it now. Defice it to say we
Speaker 1: have a friend, a friend of the pot has written
Speaker 1: the third single, and someone at this table may have
Speaker 1: caught a little sneak peek it might I might say
Speaker 1: you might have something to look forward to. I might
Speaker 1: say you might. I might say you might have something
Speaker 1: to look forward to. Readers and even the guests. But
Speaker 1: before we get into the guest, let me just touch
Speaker 1: on one other piece of apple culture, and I want
Speaker 1: to ask you if you've indulged in this Apple culture
Speaker 1: ahead the Morning Show Um Kelly Clarkson's in it. Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson plays a small part in an episode of the
Speaker 1: Morning show where she sings as herself and she tells
Speaker 1: Reese with this one's character whose name is please Hold
Speaker 1: Hold Onto Something, Bradley Jackson, that she's a truth teller
Speaker 1: and she stands with her. So basically, Bradley Jackson played
Speaker 1: by Rich with This Woman is a conservative journalist who
Speaker 1: goes a viral on Twitter. Yes, we are starting a
Speaker 1: storyline in the year with a clip went viral, And
Speaker 1: the Morning Show begins with a clip going viral of
Speaker 1: Reese freaking out in the field at at some sort
Speaker 1: of coal mine protests. And then she becomes so I
Speaker 1: has to say one thing at least to another. She
Speaker 1: becomes Jennifer Anderson's coast on the Morning Show. Three episodes later,
Speaker 1: Kelly clark centners and it's saying she stands with Bradley Jackson,
Speaker 1: who's a truth teller. So then Kelly Clarkson's playing herself
Speaker 1: as a conservative like a sympathizer. Sympathizer, okay, And how
Speaker 1: do you feel about singing a single from two years ago? Wait?
Speaker 1: What did you think? Me? More heat from your baby Baby?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what is going on on this alternate
Speaker 1: universe that is this? And the show is I haven't
Speaker 1: watched more than the first episode, but it is rough
Speaker 1: in the first episode. Have you indulged? Haven't? I haven't
Speaker 1: done much of I haven't really touched the Apple TV stuff.
Speaker 1: Shonda looks like shake a spear, like what is happening
Speaker 1: on the Morning Show? But I'm still going to give
Speaker 1: it a shot because and don't come from me for
Speaker 1: being negative readers, because who wants to love the Morning
Speaker 1: Show more than absolutely? Oh, we're we are. We're still
Speaker 1: rooting for the Morning Show. We are still rooting for
Speaker 1: the Morning Show. Is it like Network but it's Morning
Speaker 1: It's basically it's it's literally like it's going viral like that.
Speaker 1: That feels very network to me. You can't believe the
Speaker 1: whole going viral of it all, but that is how
Speaker 1: they choose to start the show. So comedere viral on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and we're unless it's a damn front facing video, unless
Speaker 1: it's a moment come on, okay, or if it's our guest,
Speaker 1: damn insta, damn insta okay. And first of all, let
Speaker 1: me say, the Morning Show is as if The Today's
Speaker 1: Show happened to Jennifer Aniston. So imagine if Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 1: was Savannah Guthrie. Picture that now, Picture the Morning Show that.
Speaker 1: So she basically plays a Katie Corre Savanna Guthrie type
Speaker 1: who wakes up to find out that her co host
Speaker 1: has been me too, very badly and it's fired, and
Speaker 1: so she must all yes, Steve Carrell in a very
Speaker 1: cuckoo performance broad kind of crazy, and then they're looking
Speaker 1: for another cost for her and Bradley Jackson played by Reese.
Speaker 1: This goes coal Mine Viral Bradley Jackson, which is like,
Speaker 1: how do we really flip names on their heads? Let's
Speaker 1: name the character Brad. But anyway, then they become co
Speaker 1: host and it goes on okay, and Kelly Clarkson cameos that, um,
Speaker 1: I am so excited her guest is here, you are he?
Speaker 1: I think he really touches people's hearts. He gets it.
Speaker 1: He gets it. You know, people get people, ourselves included,
Speaker 1: so crazy. You know, I have to do a shout
Speaker 1: out because about two years ago, actually like a full
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, our our Nico, our friend Nico Nico,
Speaker 1: Our Nico said you have to get he was referring
Speaker 1: to this person as Ben seven. He's like, you have
Speaker 1: to give any drama on the pod, and I was like,
Speaker 1: let me check this out. And then I checked it
Speaker 1: out and I said, this might have to be someone
Speaker 1: for the pod. Absolutely, and since that time we've met
Speaker 1: and the last time and the last time we were
Speaker 1: in the same room as him, it was at the
Speaker 1: Bellhouse and he literally watched you and me get into
Speaker 1: a huge verbal spat. What was the spat it was?
Speaker 1: I said, Matt, you just screamed at me on stage
Speaker 1: and that really hurt my feelings. And then you were like,
Speaker 1: what what what are you talking about? It? I'm being
Speaker 1: I'm being characterized as a huge that was not No,
Speaker 1: it was not a bit fight. I'm not your character.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to portray you as anything but a friend.
Speaker 1: And we had a very meaningful conversation. We had a
Speaker 1: meaningful conversation. Did you witness I don't like, we don't.
Speaker 1: He's not able to speak, but we have to bring
Speaker 1: him in. We have to bring him in. And first
Speaker 1: of all, I just wanted to retroactively apologize for any
Speaker 1: kind of spat. Oh. Absolutely, and I apologize as well.
Speaker 1: I feel as though, well, and now I'm gonna get real. Okay,
Speaker 1: we haven't not seen each other. It was your birthday
Speaker 1: but three days ago, and I spent it with you,
Speaker 1: and you came to do game show, Game Show, which
Speaker 1: shot quimby coming in April, and your episode was wonderful.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you spent your birthday with us,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been anywhere else and you flew all
Speaker 1: the way out there just for that. And I also
Speaker 1: think you're growing out your hair and it looks really good.
Speaker 1: Now I hate the length. We don't Why did you
Speaker 1: say that? Then I stand with you. Cut it. We're fighting.
Speaker 1: Cut it, okay, um, but let's bring our guests in.
Speaker 1: And I really want his take on because I really
Speaker 1: I went home. I went home thinking, damn saw us fighting.
Speaker 1: And I think that he understands relationship absolutely absolutely. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's one thing we can say about
Speaker 1: our guests. Understands the complexity of the human dynamic dating
Speaker 1: an astrological sign be like, we got to talk about this,
Speaker 1: we gotta talk about this, and so there's some dating
Speaker 1: fun happening over here on your end, on my on
Speaker 1: and on our guests sender. Okay, we'll talk about love lives.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome into your ears. DAT scanner it's talk. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about the new Celina music? I like it?
Speaker 1: But she had met hands to myself, yes we stand.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh this is I was still in
Speaker 1: the closet when that came out. Wait, wait, that's fairly recently.
Speaker 1: Low key. Yeah, I came out like three years ago.
Speaker 1: And how old are you now? And you just folded
Speaker 1: into it so easily that we just we let it.
Speaker 1: We let it all out quickly, and now we're full
Speaker 1: blown ckensie nine. Well, I got asked recently it was
Speaker 1: like what um like on some weird I don't know.
Speaker 1: This photographer was like, hey, what level of gay do
Speaker 1: you feel you are? It's just I'm like doing a study.
Speaker 1: It's an important question. Study what it was like a ten?
Speaker 1: Like like I'm like, what, who's answering age? Like that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, she's a tens. Of course.
Speaker 1: It's it's there long, it's it's all. And I loved
Speaker 1: your fight. I thought it was really what you used
Speaker 1: to words in ways that I was like, just sitting there.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there next to I think Pat had
Speaker 1: just honestly, that also means that you must be a
Speaker 1: family because we felt comfortable. Yeah, I felt yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like I was just sitting there obviously listen
Speaker 1: to this pod. So, but you just used words in
Speaker 1: ways that I do not like I'll just be mad
Speaker 1: at someone for like years and never say why. But
Speaker 1: you were like that specific moment when you said that,
Speaker 1: and you looked at me, I was like, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: like really well done. He's like nailing what he's mad about.
Speaker 1: I would think it was shocked on your end. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. If I is a very good communicator, and
Speaker 1: here's my thing, I can get in the moment when
Speaker 1: I'm cornered, I can get a little bit Piscey's defensive.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Okay, dude, what do you
Speaker 1: have to clear up? Matt, I just want to clear well,
Speaker 1: it's not a clearing up. It's just I just want
Speaker 1: to say that Bowen and I have become very good
Speaker 1: clear communicator and an issue we address it and if
Speaker 1: it gets heated then that's fine, but we're addressing it,
Speaker 1: and that in communication is a form of intimacy. Yes,
Speaker 1: in that moment, we loved Yeah. And I also want
Speaker 1: to say, just to clear it up, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: when you get on stage you can get a little
Speaker 1: carried away in the bump. And I didn't separate the
Speaker 1: stage persona with the personal persons because let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, when this podcast ends, you should hear my
Speaker 1: voice gets deep. I grow a beard somewhere straight, which
Speaker 1: actually favorite thing about you. Yeah, one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic things about me is that I'm straight and Bowen's white.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, these characters of Matt Rogers. I'm using
Speaker 1: quotation marks and bo when. Yeah, it's performance, it's all
Speaker 1: perform all performance. Oh anything anything Selena related? Oh wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah, I just I could talk about it forever. Um,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm like a massive stand like. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would ever like see your live.
Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily need to do. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what that's absolutely ridiculous. But um yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: okay well as a like, I guess when did Wizards
Speaker 1: of Waverley Place come out? I definitely watched that absolutely.
Speaker 1: Um No, I just remember like convincing all of my
Speaker 1: like straight friends at the time like that I thought
Speaker 1: she was beautiful or no, I think I said hot
Speaker 1: at the time, and I could not stop telling you
Speaker 1: everyone how good of an actress. I thought she was
Speaker 1: show I stand with you there. I think she's very good,
Speaker 1: and I think it's actually kind of tragic that she
Speaker 1: decided to go to Pop Star Round. We discussed this
Speaker 1: sometimes we do, and we talk about how spring Breakers
Speaker 1: is really special because of her. That moment on the
Speaker 1: bus where she's crying. I remember I was like in
Speaker 1: college and I was like, she's incredible. This is like
Speaker 1: nomination No. No, I'm like, okay, I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but still that that movie is. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: get you. People have been nominated for less hard facts. Also,
Speaker 1: let me say, in the Lose You to Love Me
Speaker 1: music video, I have not seen the video iPhone. It's
Speaker 1: in black and white. She okay, thinking the first woman
Speaker 1: to ever do a black and white music video to
Speaker 1: cam arranged were happening here on the pot, yeah, or
Speaker 1: didn't I know? I don't know her absolutely, I don't
Speaker 1: know her ever since Billy Eilis happened. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just kidding a standu lord and miss her, but she does.
Speaker 1: Selena sits in front of like, I guess what's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like a mirror, but really is the iPhone
Speaker 1: and she's sort of like looking in very truthfully delivers
Speaker 1: the lyrics of the song, and I'm like, this girl
Speaker 1: is giving you the truth, its power, power and that Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to watch this. She was really into so
Speaker 1: she did a few songs which I thought were great,
Speaker 1: and she had those little Petrick Collins videos that Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. And then what was the one like
Speaker 1: the um it was like a year and a half
Speaker 1: ago and you thought an album was coming and then
Speaker 1: she's like, was it actually just kidding? Was it also
Speaker 1: called bad Guy speaking of Billy? That's a great song
Speaker 1: that was a yeah that thing about Yeah, that's cute
Speaker 1: and honestly, yeah, it's very good. And also she does
Speaker 1: serve some good videos and some interesting hairstyles, and I
Speaker 1: love sort of the main she has right now. I
Speaker 1: love like a middle part with thick, heavy waves, like
Speaker 1: a sort of moment that's very gay. Length absolutely or
Speaker 1: at all shave exactly only compliment full length or full Yeah,
Speaker 1: only you could pull that off. Like every time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do you do it? It's only you? But there
Speaker 1: was there's Um that's the thing about Selena is and
Speaker 1: we've talked about this. I think on our group on
Speaker 1: our little group chat we have called well it was
Speaker 1: called twink Corrors and then several of us have switched
Speaker 1: over to becoming more bottoms. Since now it's called the Cord.
Speaker 1: We are the Cord. We're getting cord, which is a
Speaker 1: huge movement in my life, which has been I've been
Speaker 1: discovering my buttole and it's been huge, not my butthole
Speaker 1: than it was absolutely but anyway. Um, So we were
Speaker 1: discussing Selena and I think Jill k and Booster said
Speaker 1: pepposed to the group, what is Selena's most iconic vocal moment.
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean I could have I mean
Speaker 1: what I wanted, would I want to? I feel like
Speaker 1: you have to give it to that. Yeah. But someone
Speaker 1: else had like another opinion. I think it was Joel
Speaker 1: because he's so contraring and and stupid. I like, um,
Speaker 1: and come and get it or when you ready that's
Speaker 1: not I forgot about that, heywood pop and we're all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got you got clearly a Rihanna like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Well made it reject, made it reject from Rihanna.
Speaker 1: But in that song, I like, um, it's not a
Speaker 1: vocal thing. It's just completely produced. Also killed she did
Speaker 1: that into the day. I feel like the new one's
Speaker 1: very vocal. Now I listened to I'm Gonna cover it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of like bieber drama with it too. Well,
Speaker 1: it's fully about him, and everyone's like, girl, move on.
Speaker 1: But but now she's explained and interviews with Yes say
Speaker 1: his name Ryan Seacrest, they she'd go out and said
Speaker 1: in an interview with him that she wrote this song
Speaker 1: three years ago or several years ago and just didn't
Speaker 1: have the courage or ability to sing it until now. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's finally down in a way that and look at
Speaker 1: her now and look at an I hope it's about
Speaker 1: zed like in my heart. Oh. I like her z
Speaker 1: songs too, I'm telling you shey, Yeah, she definitely does.
Speaker 1: Every time I see her name pop up, I listened
Speaker 1: to the song, I at least want to be like,
Speaker 1: what's this done? Yeah, and it's always like pretty good,
Speaker 1: good producer, Still good girl is that song? Yes, thank
Speaker 1: you for reminding me, because that's a very good song.
Speaker 1: I want you to know. Okay, wait, who are your tops? Okay?
Speaker 1: I feel like you love Lana? Yeah, and you love Brittany, Brittany,
Speaker 1: who else, like who's in your like your little can
Speaker 1: so my four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Ye slayers, Slayers. Um,
Speaker 1: it's Lana is like kind of always my number one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she has this. I keep thinking about it every now
Speaker 1: and then she hits a bad note every now and
Speaker 1: then she's just go like it happens every now and
Speaker 1: that I want everyone to listen for it on the
Speaker 1: records are on five and I think on this pass
Speaker 1: record she does it once. It's like it's the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love Also that Kim Petra's is in her Charlie
Speaker 1: XX song and she's like, hey, bitch, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to do it. Then I just sucked him in um
Speaker 1: on Halloween um in l A. It's only g I
Speaker 1: me talk about an argust slowly. And also she's got
Speaker 1: like a full relationship with Grinder. My friend Patrick Rodgers
Speaker 1: works over their shout out to Patrick and like they
Speaker 1: have like they are partnering together and will take over
Speaker 1: the world absolutely as they both. I mean, Kim is
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Grinder to pop off. Um okay,
Speaker 1: and then I have Gaga I love thank you very much.
Speaker 1: And then my fourth is those are good that are
Speaker 1: really good for. Yeah, it's good for and your very
Speaker 1: verse in your taste. Yeah, I try. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. What are you Let's get hands okay, fuck,
Speaker 1: all right, listen, I want to know your predictions for
Speaker 1: what's going to go down with Rihanna next. Okay, um so,
Speaker 1: oh my, did you go to Savage? Oh my, God
Speaker 1: ruined me. It ruined me. And um so, they they
Speaker 1: took our phones. And I also thought I thought, like
Speaker 1: you needed to dress up like I thought I looked great,
Speaker 1: thank you. I thought it was red carpet. It absolutely
Speaker 1: was not. It was like I'm just in a pink suit. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I sit and um I wasn't allowed to bring
Speaker 1: a guest because oh, that would be ridiculous. And they
Speaker 1: took all of our phones. And I think all the
Speaker 1: people who are sitting around me were literal like lingerie influencers.
Speaker 1: So these girls were like devastated they couldn't use their phone,
Speaker 1: like I think it ruined the entire night for them,
Speaker 1: like they weren't watching. And also they were like, what
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that I can see what describe this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we had to wait like an hour before and
Speaker 1: I could just watch them just like sweating and spacing,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, this is super peaceful,
Speaker 1: honestly staring at this set, which I just need to
Speaker 1: know what that cost. Like I'm just like I'm always
Speaker 1: curious of like a stage, Like, wow, the fuck? How
Speaker 1: many people made this? It was insane? Like the production
Speaker 1: was crazy. Can I ask were there like a lot
Speaker 1: of stopdowns or was it that they just presented as
Speaker 1: the show that we saw that there was there a
Speaker 1: lot of resetting? It was no, they didn't. It was
Speaker 1: literally live, like nothing was changed. I even thought because um,
Speaker 1: because I'm a psycho. So Bella Haadie did stumble like
Speaker 1: you could see her her little like cage. Yeah you're
Speaker 1: listening a little girl. But she had to like rip
Speaker 1: it out, and when I saw it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they'll cut that, and they didn't, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's going to show. Everyone felt comfortable, even the girls
Speaker 1: that fall. I want all the girls that they can wear.
Speaker 1: You can make mistakes, but I when I watched stuff,
Speaker 1: I yell, yeah, yeah, so I'm next to you know,
Speaker 1: like too full. And during like when Rihanna the light
Speaker 1: hit her, I was like like I went bitch work
Speaker 1: and all the people around me were just sitting there
Speaker 1: like silent first trying to look good, and it was
Speaker 1: like it was just a very interesting the whole experience.
Speaker 1: And then I couldn't, like I just had to tell
Speaker 1: people like yeah, it was really good, but I have nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, no like photo or no one to enjoy
Speaker 1: it with. Sure was the point that they were like okay,
Speaker 1: and then we're running all these people and then they
Speaker 1: were going to talk about it to that buzzbos because
Speaker 1: but it worked, I think so I heard the night
Speaker 1: after it happened, everyone was like, Okay, So it's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's every type of model in the fucking world,
Speaker 1: every size, every color, every shape, there's an ampute. It's
Speaker 1: amazing thing. And then Normani was there and exactly it
Speaker 1: was just like I was like, Okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch that. Yeah. I think that was definitely it. I
Speaker 1: think that um also they knew that they had stacked it,
Speaker 1: and that also, like I mean I assume, I mean,
Speaker 1: Amazon knew what they were doing, d you know, and
Speaker 1: they brought in like tons of like intense YouTubers. What
Speaker 1: it was like James Charles was like it was very
Speaker 1: They were like, we want the internet to hear. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it worked. But it really like when Rihanna did
Speaker 1: the dance at the beginning, she doesn't do Coreo the documentary,
Speaker 1: you know, before the thing, yes, Like I remember her
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I think I could learn it, like
Speaker 1: two days before She's like, yeah, let's close my show.
Speaker 1: Like but then I think what I respected the most
Speaker 1: was that, like it was a full like dance show,
Speaker 1: which I had never you know, I feel like I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that since like college. I don't know what
Speaker 1: dance shows want to do. So I was like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going crazy, but the crowd, part of the
Speaker 1: crowd was okay, what was the highlight moment for you
Speaker 1: of the whole thing besides Rihanna? Because that was that
Speaker 1: was amazing, but there was a moment um Okay. So
Speaker 1: the people around me were all influencers, but the one
Speaker 1: to my left was Dixon from nine two one oh
Speaker 1: from the Adele video, and I know that no no
Speaker 1: one has ever turned to him and been like I
Speaker 1: loved tonight no to one out, but I did, like
Speaker 1: in high School the reboot. It was right after Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh wait, this is incredib
Speaker 1: now I have my l a gossip girl. I turned
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, I said to tell you I
Speaker 1: love nine to one, when he was like, honestly, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Beautiful moment, but then he didn't like
Speaker 1: really clap her ch here the entire time, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: he just was staring. Okay, so that's sweet, but he's
Speaker 1: might be dead inside it like this. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like fun watching it without it being like me,
Speaker 1: so it would be nice to have one person next
Speaker 1: to you that got it. Oh totally. It was just
Speaker 1: like we can't believe this, Like when Laverne Cox came
Speaker 1: out and was kicking her heels incredibly and my job
Speaker 1: was dropped the whole time. I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe she did this. How long did this take to
Speaker 1: set up? In Normany, she's oh my god talking about it.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like for me, I think like the
Speaker 1: story of twenty nineteen Normandy was the Emersion year is
Speaker 1: not over, like just completely in the dark, like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that video came out and then I
Speaker 1: was supposed to know her and I was you know,
Speaker 1: people in the You know what's crazy is we we
Speaker 1: were making jokes about Normany like everyone was like everyone
Speaker 1: was like Camilla is the star. We're like, no, Normany
Speaker 1: Norman like just thinking like, oh, Normany is like a
Speaker 1: funny name, but no, but she's the best part of
Speaker 1: the best part of the work from Home video for me,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. I was never I was being pretty
Speaker 1: earnest anytime. We were like, it's Normany you guys. Well
Speaker 1: then I actually checked out Normandy and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, Normany might actually be that real deal. And
Speaker 1: then once we saw I liked her features too, motivation
Speaker 1: as a whole other lot is and you can tell
Speaker 1: how like intense she is, Like I always like to
Speaker 1: see bts. So I went and she's like very nervous
Speaker 1: before everything. She's like very specific. I feel like she's
Speaker 1: she's an artist. You saw her, you saw her m
Speaker 1: a too. I did see her, and that was crazy
Speaker 1: she and she really brought it the dancing. I again.
Speaker 1: Another thing. My boyfriend was with me at that so
Speaker 1: I could yell with someone. And he's a big Taylor Swift. Yes,
Speaker 1: briend al we're together? Yes? Is he also loves um
Speaker 1: well he loves Gaga, he loves he loves the girls.
Speaker 1: The girls. Yeah, because we've had an extensive conversation. I
Speaker 1: believe about if John Wayne was the first single for
Speaker 1: it was yeah, I'm just john Wayne is a is
Speaker 1: a stand up track from that album, completely agree, or
Speaker 1: if Gypsy would have been the first one for art
Speaker 1: pop see I think so maybe a problematic song now,
Speaker 1: but at the time, I love Gypsy. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. It really holds up and also like
Speaker 1: Justice for g u I, which really has one of
Speaker 1: the best music videos of all time, if no one
Speaker 1: seems to care ahead of its time for having like
Speaker 1: Beverly Hells Housewives play fucking lutes and ship and she's
Speaker 1: she's like it's a wink. She's like, I wanted this
Speaker 1: to be like obscenely funny. I wanted so dumb. And
Speaker 1: she looks like Donna tell Of the whole time, and
Speaker 1: she has that hair down to the ground she was
Speaker 1: in Versachi adds at the time, yeah, it was so,
Speaker 1: but then people hated it. People just I think that
Speaker 1: that was just the moment for Gaga, the whole art
Speaker 1: pop era was just the moment where people were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're ready to do the backlash because once things, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I always say, whenever anything like really happens
Speaker 1: and it's beloved, I feel bad for that person almost
Speaker 1: because it's like the backlash is coming. Remember that like
Speaker 1: true year and a half long period where Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 1: was everyone's favorite thing in the world. Now it's like
Speaker 1: exactly pizza. It was like on accident Jill or whatever,
Speaker 1: like that's like her essence. But now it's kind of
Speaker 1: just like everyone's like, hell, Jennifer Lawrence like exhausted, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, she's truly the same person she was,
Speaker 1: and if anything, she's kind of like, all right, well
Speaker 1: then buy for a little bit. You guys are annoying
Speaker 1: as what she's allowed to do. Schumer had a really
Speaker 1: good I've out she had a really good interview I
Speaker 1: think it was with Vogue and she like said that
Speaker 1: because they were like, what does it feel like to
Speaker 1: be at the top right now? And she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I give myself like two more weeks and like this
Speaker 1: is what we do to women. We'll just like you're
Speaker 1: gonna get sick of it and then everyone's gonna hate me.
Speaker 1: And then the Leather Special came out, and she like
Speaker 1: pretty much it was true what happened, like everyone came
Speaker 1: for her, which I'm like, that is now. I see
Speaker 1: it now that has been pointed out to me. I
Speaker 1: see it with like every female and entertainment. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we really do do this, oh baby, she called the
Speaker 1: about like the ideal woman. How we like the parameters
Speaker 1: constantly shifts in our culture and then we'd like put
Speaker 1: these people up on a pot of stol and then
Speaker 1: immediately like getting coomfortable once they're up there too long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also how you knew for a fact that Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga was not gonna win Best Actress and like a
Speaker 1: stars born was not going to like succeed at the
Speaker 1: Oscars and the way they all said it would, because
Speaker 1: it was like, it's true. It feels like with Gaga,
Speaker 1: we can only give her like public adoration for so
Speaker 1: long until we have to say, well she's now she's
Speaker 1: ridiculous exactly like and once the Italian interviews came out,
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, yeah, we're done. I am constantly
Speaker 1: turned by her. She's not put me off at once ever,
Speaker 1: and lately she's been amazing. We quoted the tweep before
Speaker 1: us word for word, this is it rumors that I'm pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant with hashtag LGX. When I read it first,
Speaker 1: I was like, is this like an ad for lg
Speaker 1: Like I was waiting late. I was like, she's about
Speaker 1: to draw, Like what? And then that can you eat
Speaker 1: too much Chinese Brocoli? That's my favorite? What is fortnite?
Speaker 1: I think that she took that tweet from me? I
Speaker 1: say that once a day. Honestly, she's all, She's always
Speaker 1: been all. But this is actually the thing about art
Speaker 1: proper that nobody talks about. This is like actual investigative
Speaker 1: journalism that I'm about to come on, Come on, Sonny.
Speaker 1: There was there was a lot of reporting at the
Speaker 1: time from this journalist that nobody knew her name was,
Speaker 1: like I can say that she had like some like
Speaker 1: made up Asian name like Julie Chung's. And then all
Speaker 1: of these articles were coming out, all these headlines were
Speaker 1: coming on, like this is the beginning of fake news
Speaker 1: because and all these headlights come out that say Gaga's
Speaker 1: sales tank for art Pop Gaga like blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: like a million. Gaga wasted five million dollars on a
Speaker 1: promotional camp whenever there's a headline and you really her
Speaker 1: name is Gaga, like like like oh the Titanical sale
Speaker 1: disease just disgusting. Um. But it was all this false
Speaker 1: reporting about how poorly she was doing and how much
Speaker 1: money she wasted on the on the promo, and then
Speaker 1: she was out here being like, guys, this none of
Speaker 1: this is true. And then she's like, my h and
Speaker 1: m campaign is killing my Muppet special just fucking killed
Speaker 1: me too, like filled with anger for this reporter because
Speaker 1: I'm like I had to defend this was probably my
Speaker 1: last Like by that time in college, it was done
Speaker 1: pretending to be ye if I'm defending art pop that
Speaker 1: for me. For me, it was Circus Pay Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: That was like the album coming and I was so
Speaker 1: excited for it. I was like, wait a minute, like
Speaker 1: my sister and they're like staying up listening to leaks
Speaker 1: like I gotta but with this ball the lights killed
Speaker 1: the light and Lason Leathery never forgot um and oh
Speaker 1: that whole album that's her best um like themes like
Speaker 1: it is a full creative absolutely much like my favorite
Speaker 1: cover as well. I love that. Well, there was a
Speaker 1: time when like everyone Pink had fun House and Brittany
Speaker 1: head circus. This is some Kelly Clarkson tea. They wanted
Speaker 1: All I Ever wanted to be called Masquerade and she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not doing that because everyone is doing
Speaker 1: some sort of thing when we were a mask and
Speaker 1: attack Carney. Yeah, it's like Carney, and they wanted to
Speaker 1: be called in fact that that like album art where
Speaker 1: on all I Ever wanted, which is like that kind
Speaker 1: of like bright colors, Like she wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: like in a leather jacket on my cover. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to be sort of like a masquerade moment. I
Speaker 1: would love to see Kelly Clarkson in Masquerade Vegas. It's
Speaker 1: coming Las Vegas, Honey. First you didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That's amazing we got this was just announced. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't. She's like she has money. Kelly has never
Speaker 1: been bigger. She's like before Ellen, which I had no idea.
Speaker 1: She has the number four rated UM daytime daytime talk
Speaker 1: show out of all thirteen that are on the only
Speaker 1: people that are doing better than her, and this is
Speaker 1: consistent ratings are Ellen, Kelly, and Ryan and then Dr Phil.
Speaker 1: She does better than everyone else. She's doing better than Wendy.
Speaker 1: What are they to What they're doing is having the
Speaker 1: same audience they've had for a lot. I think there's
Speaker 1: like Regis and Kathie Lee people that are still there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but basically I just just just yes, give your art part.
Speaker 1: Well no it basically the people like dug Into like
Speaker 1: this journalist and she doesn't exist. She does not exist.
Speaker 1: Someone like there's like there was this little shadow campaign
Speaker 1: Russia Russia, Katie Perry stand people who like But but
Speaker 1: the reason why those headlines were getting so much play
Speaker 1: and the reason why the narrative became art prop as
Speaker 1: a huge flop is because someone faked these numbers and
Speaker 1: then like Perez Hilton would like retweet it, I know,
Speaker 1: and there were people that, like I said, like, there
Speaker 1: are people that are active in the backlash that want
Speaker 1: that person to fail it. Also, I think something that
Speaker 1: people forget is that Born this Way was huge. But
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it moved so many copies
Speaker 1: and because they sold them for like yes and so
Speaker 1: they she sold like well over a million albums in
Speaker 1: the first week of that um period, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: because she was There was a reason for that, and
Speaker 1: then so any anything she had done after that was
Speaker 1: going to look in comparison like it wasn't as big.
Speaker 1: And also it's hard to be to follow up anything
Speaker 1: when you're the biggest pop start in the world. That's
Speaker 1: I think why adult take such a long time. It's
Speaker 1: like flawless Start is like I still listen to it
Speaker 1: for like every show. I'm like, Monster should have been
Speaker 1: a single. As as much as I would say, as
Speaker 1: much as I love art pop and Joanna, I've loved
Speaker 1: all the eras. I've enjoyed all the eras, but you
Speaker 1: and this is we have to say her name. Lorianne
Speaker 1: Gibson is do a lot of credit for the choreography,
Speaker 1: the iconography, the art direction, the creative direction of Gaga
Speaker 1: in those early days. Oh I mean that video, but
Speaker 1: yeah it is lorian Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And honestly, maybe that she would be nice to have
Speaker 1: on the pop because you know what else, I fell
Speaker 1: into a wormhole. I fell into a right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think she's very busy and successful, but I fell
Speaker 1: into a sick wormhole. Recently of making the band clips,
Speaker 1: and she would day, I got something for you. The
Speaker 1: scene in the boardroom when Diddy is breaking up the
Speaker 1: band and he's like, I don't your attitude and you're
Speaker 1: out and it's like the soundtracks and it's like close
Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, cool, I respect your decision.
Speaker 1: I respect that, And then the rest of the girls
Speaker 1: are like, well, I don't know, and he would just like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave too, and they go and she
Speaker 1: and he turned down and he's like, okay, well you
Speaker 1: can leave too if you want to leave. She goes, okay,
Speaker 1: I respect your decision, and the three other ones are like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, um, I don't think we're a group if
Speaker 1: they leave, like, well, your girls are making their decisions,
Speaker 1: so what And then they'll leave and you get an
Speaker 1: acapella version of Dammaged Damage, damnaged glad you wait? That
Speaker 1: was like spun on? How did you? Yeah? I had
Speaker 1: a little spin there yet, but looking very nervous. What
Speaker 1: does this have to do with Lorianne? She wasn't there
Speaker 1: at the time, and she she had come and gone
Speaker 1: out of making the band. I was just commenting that
Speaker 1: I had fallen into making the band worm Hole. Then
Speaker 1: I like, as of last week, okay, wow, because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it since it was like literally on it.
Speaker 1: It's a trip to watch. Is each one? Is that MTV?
Speaker 1: It was empty V Great Town was sucking obset with
Speaker 1: that album. Oh yeah, Liquidquid Dreams, gene Bags, a mix
Speaker 1: of destinies chat with Janet Jackson, Jennifer you got the
Speaker 1: seas But you know that song is actually the perfect
Speaker 1: song that that's in the closet, Bob because it's like
Speaker 1: all these their destiny. Yeah, oh we love share missed
Speaker 1: this album? Did I miss this album? Was? I think
Speaker 1: you're just a touch younger than us? Maybe it was
Speaker 1: true micro generational maybe? Okay, wait, is this the first Danity?
Speaker 1: This is the first making the band band? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Danity Kane, I mean Danity King Girls too. But oh
Speaker 1: Town was lemonade? Yeah, Oh Town was the first one.
Speaker 1: And then I think that he made like a rap
Speaker 1: group or attempted to make a rap group. Oh did
Speaker 1: he did? Yes? Because I remember there was there was
Speaker 1: one female rapper named Mysterious that I was like enamored with,
Speaker 1: and then she kind of like went somewhere else and
Speaker 1: that that group didn't happen, but Dannity Kine obviously happened.
Speaker 1: They had some hit songs like show Stop her, show
Speaker 1: Stopping that video, and then just they gave everyone wrong girl.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. Every girl has the wrong verse, like
Speaker 1: she should have another one, and that's why it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Like I remember there's the one, um, so there's Aubrey,
Speaker 1: and then there was another like very blonde. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she looked like the girl from America's Next Time all
Speaker 1: season two. Um, and she has like the rap songs
Speaker 1: like she's a love it and it's like, no, that
Speaker 1: wasn't her at all, but love it, but she delivered.
Speaker 1: I wish. Here's the thing though, I think Andrea was
Speaker 1: probably the best singer de Woods had had like it.
Speaker 1: Dawn is releasing music sort of now. Dawn is out
Speaker 1: there releasing music, and Aubrey is of course out there
Speaker 1: saying that her soulmate is Donald Trump Jr. She's the
Speaker 1: best stand good time. I was just like, she's just
Speaker 1: she's clearly the star star. When she was on Celebrity Apprentice,
Speaker 1: she was very good and yes I absolutely watched, yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean Bowen Yang is a famous early
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I love Donald Trump. No, I kind of agree.
Speaker 1: During the first season of The Apprentice, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is fantastic. I was like, I was really into it.
Speaker 1: There was like one guy from Boise on its town hero.
Speaker 1: There you wait, speking of hometown speaking ab upbringings. Let's
Speaker 1: ask me the question. It's time to ask the question. Okay, Skinner,
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you stay? Culture is
Speaker 1: for me, like this is formative, something formative that like
Speaker 1: you grew up with that you saw. I could be
Speaker 1: like something as broad in general as pop stars or
Speaker 1: he's gonna be absolutely um. I think watching music video
Speaker 1: like was a defining thing for me, like on Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday mornings, and like the Lucky video is so
Speaker 1: like in my mind, so I happened in my show,
Speaker 1: Like I just always think about it. So I think
Speaker 1: like music videos of that kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: mid to late nineties, early two thousands era, it was
Speaker 1: like very much my start. And I mean Brittany was
Speaker 1: like my first pop star. Britney was your girl, like
Speaker 1: went and oops I did again. I remember the copy
Speaker 1: there was a scratch on it, like I mean just
Speaker 1: Psycho ship. I remember the store I bought. Oops, I
Speaker 1: did it again and maybe one more time. Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: like it was like Sam Good or it was like
Speaker 1: a virgin reference store. But I remember, I remember like
Speaker 1: that was like iconic time when you get in the
Speaker 1: car and go to the store and buy the album.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, day of or maybe your parents were picking
Speaker 1: up at Costco. That was huge. And then so much
Speaker 1: cardboard for no reason because they wanted it to be
Speaker 1: like remember that, like all the cardboard and sometimes they
Speaker 1: would like decorate it. So I saved the Britney cardboard forever.
Speaker 1: I had all the dolls like it was. I think
Speaker 1: that was like my first Yeah, that was my first
Speaker 1: like entrance. And then as far as like shows, it
Speaker 1: was like Lizzie McGuire, right, so it's like this is
Speaker 1: so written, like the stories are all so good. Did
Speaker 1: you did you think that when Hillary Duff like started
Speaker 1: to do music, because there was a big narrative at
Speaker 1: the time of like Hillary Duff is the next Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: Did you see that for her? No? I never saw
Speaker 1: that for her, but I loved her music. I thought
Speaker 1: Metamorphosis was Metamorphois. Making Larry Owens sing that song on
Speaker 1: was like I mean yeah. I think a little painful
Speaker 1: for him, but it's okay. Yeah, yeah, I think probably
Speaker 1: his enemy, not his favorite pop star by any means.
Speaker 1: I saw her. She was my first concert though. I
Speaker 1: remember going. She didn't really have any like she was
Speaker 1: just wearing a black tank top, black jeans and a ponytail.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, she's not this isn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's going to do the theatrics, which is
Speaker 1: what I like show. So it's like, you know, she's
Speaker 1: just this is like a fun side thing. First, she's
Speaker 1: an actress. She's an actress. Yeah, but I loved you know,
Speaker 1: I bought Speak Now. I even still Taylor. I'm like, no, no, no, no, wait,
Speaker 1: speak Now by Hillary Hillary. That's like one of her
Speaker 1: albums now or is it Speaking? It's it's it's like
Speaker 1: something like that Speak. It might just be called Speak.
Speaker 1: I think it Speak yea yeah, And I remember like
Speaker 1: the cover and that's when she um those were I
Speaker 1: feel like her Veneers all the time. Look, we we
Speaker 1: saw a couple of years ago at Tribeca Film Festival.
Speaker 1: She was the only celebrity we interviewed her, and she
Speaker 1: was one of the only celebrities that that gave us
Speaker 1: a h I don't know what she famously has. You're
Speaker 1: gonna do something. I'm going to speak was Lindsay Elhan?
Speaker 1: What's her metamorphosis? Breathe and breathe out dignity Hi self
Speaker 1: titled Most Wanted is the greatest and absolutely she's like
Speaker 1: two albums out this Linday Lohan ALBUMSKA Speak and then
Speaker 1: her second album, of course, the a little more personal
Speaker 1: in parentheses raw Yeah yeah, yeah yeah video where she's
Speaker 1: a father. Remember watching that being there is belting happening
Speaker 1: and that she was blond? Yeah she was. I was
Speaker 1: always so mad. It's like such a I was always
Speaker 1: so mad when they changed hair colors, like when Brittany was,
Speaker 1: I would just be it would ruin my week, which
Speaker 1: is probably why Brittany has to work so hard, you know,
Speaker 1: like poor Brittany. But I'm like, like I remember in
Speaker 1: the Blackout when I saw the cover, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: They're not it. I was so mad the same and
Speaker 1: then it took me a little bit to like get
Speaker 1: over that hump and be like, oh wait, this is
Speaker 1: an incredible album. Album is flawless. I frequently reread the
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone review of it. Because they're like, wait, it's
Speaker 1: actually so good and there's a great moment and break
Speaker 1: the ice where it's clear that she's just hearing the
Speaker 1: song for the first time, I think, and it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: she definitely said that the first time. They did it,
Speaker 1: and it's just oh, it's just like the whole album.
Speaker 1: They essentially just gave these producers like Free Reign. They
Speaker 1: were like, whatever you want, just don't bring up what's
Speaker 1: going on with her, and they did it. It was
Speaker 1: Danger Danger Shellback who writes all of Taylor Swift's new stuff,
Speaker 1: and Dr Luke that was like document the first big No,
Speaker 1: it's it's whatever. But he touched to Charlie's Angels soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I just saw that just well, just honestly, this is
Speaker 1: something that bothers me on a regular basis that if
Speaker 1: Kim Petris is on it, then Dru probably is not
Speaker 1: far behind, which it's rough. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a thing about Kim that sucks. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: is he still? Like where is he working from? I'm
Speaker 1: just like he's he's it doesn't matter where he's working for,
Speaker 1: He's just working. And she's still Yeah. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just picture him in like a game like they sent him,
Speaker 1: you know, the vocals, and then he because Kesh is
Speaker 1: still like it's still on that on that contract, and
Speaker 1: she do like like two more albums before she's it's
Speaker 1: something like that, how is the new stuff? I haven't
Speaker 1: heard it yet. It's like she's back to making like
Speaker 1: skank pop. Yeah. I mean the country stuff was like fun,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a country guy, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I like TikTok. Yeah, I mean I really loved her
Speaker 1: first two albums. I mean, and how could you not?
Speaker 1: But but because Cannibal, it was like, this is just
Speaker 1: how would she beat the first one? She No, she
Speaker 1: did it. I was just gonna say, I think Blow
Speaker 1: is my favorite team of hers outside of um, Your
Speaker 1: Love is My Drug. Your Love is My Drug is
Speaker 1: like geniusly written. It's like it's perfect not to sit
Speaker 1: here and continue to stand like Dr Luke Rain thing
Speaker 1: he's a monster and shouldn't be around. But now those
Speaker 1: I'm happy that she's back to doing music like that.
Speaker 1: Although I did love um Praying and I did I
Speaker 1: really love Woman. Yeah. I also, um, I do like
Speaker 1: that one. It's like this funny get him yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't help it. I heard it. I heard it
Speaker 1: first on Instagram with like in a Spotify video, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is getting it, Like it's
Speaker 1: great like this one yeah, j yes, tonic vocal delivery
Speaker 1: of has that praying note? Has that ever been hit live?
Speaker 1: I'm still I don't think she attempts it. Okay, and
Speaker 1: this actually this, this hints it's crazy. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Honey later has to deal with
Speaker 1: musical notes that people cannot hit. Love that. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to do it. Yeah, that's unfortunately one of them
Speaker 1: will imagine like I'm still waiting, but I will say that, like,
Speaker 1: I guess that is a reason why I appreciate Ariana Grande,
Speaker 1: because I do miss when these girls could fucking really
Speaker 1: I felt that ship. The runs a very on a Grande.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly a stand of the runs. The runs, especially
Speaker 1: on her Christmas songs. Her last Christmas is like and
Speaker 1: then again it's like goes everywhere and it's good exactly.
Speaker 1: She just goes her concert when she was just touring. No,
Speaker 1: I'm so sad I didn't the tickets were. She was
Speaker 1: proud of that. Goddamn I dropped. I dropped dollars and
Speaker 1: cents to see that. But I will say the live
Speaker 1: vocals were real. Yeah. I even heard her sing seven Rings,
Speaker 1: and I'm not thinking that's a song that's going to
Speaker 1: sound good live. Like I remember when Lady Gaga did
Speaker 1: like Judas live Yes and No, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not it, Like that just will never sound good live.
Speaker 1: But she can't even sing seven rings and make it
Speaker 1: sound good like damn because it's damn Rogerson Hammerstein. Honey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's made a cent on that song. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: they just are like sure, like we get and they're
Speaker 1: having a moment right now Rogers and Hammerstein. But truly
Speaker 1: they're having them on right now Rogers, but truly, Like Chance,
Speaker 1: the rapper has this song where it's his daughter singing
Speaker 1: Impossible from Cinderella and then he like samples Impossible Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's a uh oh, Zanies and Fools that's
Speaker 1: what it's called. Like this, the track is called Zany's
Speaker 1: and Fools where it's like pulled from them like that song.
Speaker 1: It's like people are like rediscovering there's a revival of
Speaker 1: Rogerson Hammerstein. That's like Oklahoma, like like it's happening. Well,
Speaker 1: you know there's I'm not lying. No, no, you're not lying.
Speaker 1: You know that there's going to be a new Cinderella
Speaker 1: with Camilla Cabello. Yeah, absolutely, And I heard you know
Speaker 1: who I heard is in talks to play the Wicked Stepmother.
Speaker 1: Tell us it's in the Menzel stop and I know
Speaker 1: he's a godmother. And I'll see you in a little
Speaker 1: while from my I don't think so, honey. I'll see
Speaker 1: you in a little walk Dana Mizzella, I'll see you
Speaker 1: and I'll see you in just in about twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Wow, that's gonna be. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I needed it under another Cinderella right now, but okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like in for that. I heard it's going to
Speaker 1: be a very Camilla Cinderella. Oh god, just what I wanted. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: I am sure about it. That's the one I like.
Speaker 1: And I liked her fake beef with Laana. That was
Speaker 1: my favorite was the fake beef. So Laana commented what
Speaker 1: the hell on one of her videos, and so she
Speaker 1: meant like, what the hell? This is amazing? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and then everybody because the video did look a lot
Speaker 1: like Laana is like, and so everyone's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Laana is coming for this, la is going to kill
Speaker 1: Like it was my favorite. That's so so that was
Speaker 1: like my big Camilla moment. I keep the give out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell, I've been experiencing a lot
Speaker 1: of Camilla lately. I've been liking her new stuff. I've
Speaker 1: been discussing it. But to cry for Me, and then, um,
Speaker 1: what's the other one? Easy? Easy? She's put that like
Speaker 1: a little army of singles out like that's sort of
Speaker 1: like EP but not yeah, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm like, I like the one, give
Speaker 1: me one, let me have a moment when she's got speechless, liar, easy,
Speaker 1: and cry for Me. Those are the four. So he's
Speaker 1: and of course the song with the send to read
Speaker 1: a song with Sean. Right on the topic of these
Speaker 1: beefs though, it's this is they're so delicate. We're in
Speaker 1: a really fragile place right now. Because remember when like
Speaker 1: people saw like Casey Musgraves like to tweet that was
Speaker 1: like dunking on Taylor Swift and everyone and everyone flipped out.
Speaker 1: And then she was like she was like and then
Speaker 1: Casey tweets my Twitter got hated Lie so and she's
Speaker 1: love I love a shitty Lie and she's like and
Speaker 1: then me and Taylor just top on the phone and
Speaker 1: we're good. So guys like stand down. But it was
Speaker 1: like people just people are insane. People are insane. Fans
Speaker 1: are particularly pretty. I mean, I'm I'm I'm dating one
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, it's just and I'm definitely one of
Speaker 1: the more cycle like that one. But I am gonna
Speaker 1: I am gonna out him right now. I'm in the
Speaker 1: out Jared right now because literally, like, um, I think
Speaker 1: the Charlie x X album came out. He was like,
Speaker 1: so with Jared, it's like everything is so he hates
Speaker 1: Charlie because of what Charlie. He absolutely loves Charlie. We
Speaker 1: even want to go see Charlie's concert and she was
Speaker 1: everyone was apparently she had like the whole album. It
Speaker 1: was great. Kim was there too, features the house. She
Speaker 1: was performing at High Tops right now. Probably yeah, she's
Speaker 1: actually as she performs, like to a point where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're a robot. There's Kis and every major in the world.
Speaker 1: She always looks perfect, truly, and also the live vocals
Speaker 1: there there there they hit, they hit hard. She is
Speaker 1: her tits off when you see it hard to break.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, bitch, it was her like, um,
Speaker 1: why am I forgetting that? You know? She it was
Speaker 1: like part two of her coming back on stage. Why
Speaker 1: am I forgetting that? Term the rprise? Okay, lord m
Speaker 1: She goes back and she like still had it. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're just saying, you know, forty songs that
Speaker 1: are all similarly hard scenes. They're all pop songs. But
Speaker 1: um wait, I want to out Jared. I want to
Speaker 1: say he started to stand this Charlie x X album.
Speaker 1: This is like three weeks after Lover had come out,
Speaker 1: and we had I hadn't been with him through the
Speaker 1: whole process, and like it was a process. It was
Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift fans, and it was difficult for them.
Speaker 1: After me, I know, it's been hard. It's it's not
Speaker 1: been the oh my god, it's not been nineteen that
Speaker 1: I think they thought it would be. But so Charlie
Speaker 1: x X album came out and he couldn't stop talking
Speaker 1: about it, and I said, but Jared, what about Lover?
Speaker 1: And he just turns to me and then the darkest
Speaker 1: voice I've ever heard of us. He goes fuck lover
Speaker 1: like I only had to grab my heart and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was like, that was so busy,
Speaker 1: was throbbing. I was like, I have never I don't
Speaker 1: even feel that way about it. But he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm over it. And then I feel like because I
Speaker 1: feel a lot of Taylor stands were a little exhausted
Speaker 1: trying to pretend this album was as good as those
Speaker 1: that have preceded it. I think they're I think I've
Speaker 1: said this on the pod, but I think there's a
Speaker 1: twelve song album in there that's good, but just too long,
Speaker 1: you know. But her, some of her fans want that,
Speaker 1: like the sixteen year old girls in Atlanta and like
Speaker 1: they want a fort I guess my question, my question,
Speaker 1: does she still have those teen fans? I think she absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she does absolutely, she like has her and
Speaker 1: Miley do for an Arianna, But then no one else
Speaker 1: from like our I believe in from Marianna because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I was at an Arianna concert and it
Speaker 1: was all gay men and six year old girls. Yeah
Speaker 1: she got gen z. Yeah she's got them. She's got
Speaker 1: gen z. But it's it's like it's like it's like Disney.
Speaker 1: It's like kids still watch Little Mermaid. Let's say, like
Speaker 1: like like movies that we thought were specific to our
Speaker 1: upbringings in terms of timing. Now it's like it's like
Speaker 1: she she has perennial songs about adolescence that like everyone
Speaker 1: can relate to. Taylor Taylor, Yeah, yeah, because I do
Speaker 1: feel like this album is the first one that's like
Speaker 1: really tried to be mature, and I feel like she's
Speaker 1: even hinting at like I'm going to marry you in
Speaker 1: these kinds of songs and not an acute like person way.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's make a commitment and invest in investing
Speaker 1: things together, and we're gonna have the same bank account.
Speaker 1: It's like things that like kids aren't going to get
Speaker 1: and I don't think that is sort of too far
Speaker 1: removed from the reason why I don't think this album
Speaker 1: has yeah, significant impact. It doesn't have legs. I mean, London,
Speaker 1: boy is tough. I can't anytime I went to London
Speaker 1: with my boyfriend and I couldn't. I couldn't stop saying
Speaker 1: it ruined the trap, like anytime they were rude, because
Speaker 1: everyone in London is so rude. This guy's start weeks
Speaker 1: just could not stop making fun of me for my
Speaker 1: order because I like drink a milkshake essentially hold my hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw you and she was like, it's so good
Speaker 1: to see someone like later in the day, so real.
Speaker 1: But no, it would just be like this guy kept
Speaker 1: giving ship and then right when we walked out of
Speaker 1: the cafe, I just had to look at him and
Speaker 1: child of English. But that is not where the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing song on the album for me, for me and
Speaker 1: for me, it's got to be that fucking Big Little
Speaker 1: Lies theme knockoff, which is it's nice to have a friend. Oh,
Speaker 1: I kind of find myself being like that's really cute.
Speaker 1: No way, that album is tough freaking I loved reputation
Speaker 1: and I was only fucking bops like dress is the
Speaker 1: first time she got fucked dress dressing, um even gorgeous
Speaker 1: is like this is I'm like my delicates a classic,
Speaker 1: yea delicates a classic and also endgame is my fucking
Speaker 1: like my song I'm big. When she brought in like
Speaker 1: a kid's choir to say big even like I remember
Speaker 1: when look what made you? Look What You Made Me do?
Speaker 1: Came out, I was like, fuck this and now I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, then you saw the video. The second
Speaker 1: video came out, I was like, oh yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: think there was much new in the video, but it
Speaker 1: was a lot. I was like, she's trying, and I'm
Speaker 1: like kind of down the bridge where all the old
Speaker 1: like the all the old tailors are climbing that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how the fund did you make this? It was more like, damn,
Speaker 1: you really went to the lab and you're like, we're
Speaker 1: spent ten million dollars right now on this song. That's
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't be first single, but let's do this. I
Speaker 1: also love the single she Can't help It. This is okay,
Speaker 1: But you brought up something earlier that I love, like
Speaker 1: single order, single order, hypothetical single orders, like let's talk
Speaker 1: about never been chosen by a game man, and I
Speaker 1: know that we'd be right, Like I just know that
Speaker 1: in my heart. But it's like, this is a this
Speaker 1: is just a game that you can play at party's now, okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is the new star actress. Everybody, let's
Speaker 1: do one. Okay, Yeah, Aly, like here's my here's my
Speaker 1: thing with lover because me we can all agree with
Speaker 1: not it and even you need to come down from
Speaker 1: me is like, actually, I kind of like it as
Speaker 1: a second single. But here's the thing. I think when
Speaker 1: you listen to the album Lover, I understand that you
Speaker 1: want to give them something like up tempo, but represent
Speaker 1: the album. And so my thing is, I think the
Speaker 1: best song on Lover that is the most emblematic of
Speaker 1: Lover is Lover. And so I would have put Lover
Speaker 1: out as the first single. I think everyone would have
Speaker 1: been like, oh, this is a different direction, and for her,
Speaker 1: I'm into it. Yeah. That being said, I also think
Speaker 1: my favorite song on the whole album I don't know
Speaker 1: if it should have been the first single, but my
Speaker 1: first favorite song on the album is I Think he Knows?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah, what do you think? The
Speaker 1: Man is here? Here's here's my three man. The Man
Speaker 1: is great. It's tough to hear, but it's good. Agree
Speaker 1: with you, Lover, Cruel Summer, and then you need to
Speaker 1: calm down. As third single, maybe when you now that
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Man, don't you think it would
Speaker 1: be a little on the nose, like, oh, she's releasing
Speaker 1: this song as the first single, But I bet it
Speaker 1: would have been a huge hit. Huge, especially with a
Speaker 1: good video, and especially I mean she knows what she's
Speaker 1: doing though, because when it came out, I like all
Speaker 1: of the Leo articles came out Once upon a Time
Speaker 1: in Hollywood came out like right with it, so it's
Speaker 1: like everyone's like she's jabbing at Leo and she got
Speaker 1: so much press, so like she's just kind of always knows,
Speaker 1: like once she leaves a song, that's going to get
Speaker 1: press essentially. So I don't know, I yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: that Lover should have been the first single because I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were, like the people who
Speaker 1: didn't listen to the non singles of reputation, We're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's not the Taylor I grew up with. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think it would have been a good like no, like,
Speaker 1: she can still do this and it is a beautiful
Speaker 1: song and I love the video. I think that would
Speaker 1: have been a nice start. Me was like it's awful, honey. Um.
Speaker 1: I listened to it every now and then and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well she took out this spelling is fun part, which
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm just like, oh god, Taylor's I
Speaker 1: just have the tightest butthole when I listen to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're panic at the disco in this song,
Speaker 1: like keep that at that point. But yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 1: weird feature as well. I don't know if I love
Speaker 1: a first single as you love him. I just don't know. Ye, yeah,
Speaker 1: a feature on the first single is a weird move.
Speaker 1: It's strange. Yeah, I'm like that maybe is more of
Speaker 1: like a second single or I just don't think that
Speaker 1: song is a single. But um, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I also like their voices together. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: would prefer it to just as like a song in
Speaker 1: the album. Yeah, yeah, sure, I would agree. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: do it for a one more album. What had a
Speaker 1: flop first single? Oh, let's do it for let's well not.
Speaker 1: I don't consider it a flop at all, but I
Speaker 1: guess because we were talking about it before. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Joanne's preferred delusion. I like, but I do. I
Speaker 1: think John Wayne is an interest scared people. I think
Speaker 1: perfect Delusion scared people. Yeah, yeah it was too and
Speaker 1: then it wasn't actually like what the album felt like
Speaker 1: at all. So I think my choice is either John
Speaker 1: Wayne or I low key love Come to Mama, Come Tom.
Speaker 1: But I think you know the thing is that I'm insane. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think John Wayne just because of that video.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it really is like she is
Speaker 1: going for this like Western Americana thing, so like I
Speaker 1: want to see her fully commit the first single, it's
Speaker 1: what the album feels like. I do love Million Reasons
Speaker 1: as a second single, Million Reasons, second single, John Wayne,
Speaker 1: Million Reasons, and then third honestly bumping up from bonus
Speaker 1: track Creature Girls, which I know is like to Low
Speaker 1: Temple Girls. I really do love that album. It's a
Speaker 1: great album. It's a great album. I didn't I don't
Speaker 1: love the cover, but that's okay. I do love the cover,
Speaker 1: like I think, I'm like almost do. I just think
Speaker 1: it's like a little I don't know, it's a little tweet,
Speaker 1: it's a little like yeah, I just wanted like a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I just I don't know with her.
Speaker 1: You know, do you consider Stars Born to be a
Speaker 1: gotta album? I do? I gotta ep sure, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I would say it's an era,
Speaker 1: not an album. I agree, maybe it's definitely an era.
Speaker 1: The true like Monsters they say era, they say like
Speaker 1: Stars They're like, well, if you guys like the best
Speaker 1: of this era, like Stan Instagram is. I tried that
Speaker 1: with Kelly. I was like I was like welcome and
Speaker 1: I was like no, but there are definitely something that
Speaker 1: are like welcome, brother is It's time. But I love
Speaker 1: the Alley tracks, like I feel like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like the Cure is, they're all just trying to be cool.
Speaker 1: This song in my head, I'm not mad. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole Yeah, it's just perfect. It's like nice to not
Speaker 1: that She's like I'm just gonna make pop. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I feel like she hasn't just like done that without
Speaker 1: like it can be almost bad, which I think a
Speaker 1: lot of great pop is like almost bad. So she
Speaker 1: with Ali, she was able to write pop music in
Speaker 1: a very abstract way where like it didn't matter. Just
Speaker 1: write a write a good fassimile of a song. That's
Speaker 1: that's all that to me. Come on, I mean first
Speaker 1: that we were like it's smarty, like watching the movie
Speaker 1: and them trying to tell you that like she's gone bad,
Speaker 1: when I'm like, oh, this is absolutely at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like she just really fucking she got a Grammy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: she didn't sell out, She's she has that bad red hair,
Speaker 1: like fucking healthy as fun and then they're like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring her out. She's gonna she gave her the
Speaker 1: Grammy in the right. How great, God, how great? My
Speaker 1: biggest regret um when Halsey hosted, I wrote for her,
Speaker 1: how great Ali sketch that just tanked it table. It
Speaker 1: was just her like on set and like her having
Speaker 1: to like her like butchering the I love that. You know,
Speaker 1: no one got no Everyone's like, why is this? Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god? The table? Did she like it? She
Speaker 1: like I pitched her on Tuesday and she was like
Speaker 1: that's really funny. Yeah. I was like I was like,
Speaker 1: you know that like gay people are upset, like or
Speaker 1: specifically like film Twitter and like stand Twitter like loves
Speaker 1: that moment, right. She's like, oh yeah, I gotta get it.
Speaker 1: I totally gets She was great and then and like
Speaker 1: you know, went over with her. She like did what
Speaker 1: she had to do at the table. But everyone was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? It's actually really culture at number seventy
Speaker 1: six what she had to do out of the table anyway,
Speaker 1: is it? How do I say? Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like I just I'm like, fully trusting
Speaker 1: you and that I'm like, oh, I've been spending her
Speaker 1: this whole Halsey. Do you know it's pronounced Charlie before
Speaker 1: we move on? I don't think so. I do want
Speaker 1: to ask, but you know, do you do how much
Speaker 1: research do you do for each astrological sign before you? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: some I know a little bit better than I knew
Speaker 1: ours the most obviously so corpse, and that was just
Speaker 1: going to make that I love scorps Thank you. Do
Speaker 1: you feel that way? I do feel that way. Do
Speaker 1: you feel I feel that I'm not spook yoki? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no exactly what we're supposed to be, like a character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Yeah, but there were some that I
Speaker 1: knew a little bit just because friends, I feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, but I
Speaker 1: just know so many cancers as a Scorpio, I feel
Speaker 1: that exactly. So I feel like that connection is what
Speaker 1: almost like sold me on astrology, because I did notice
Speaker 1: that all the people around me were like Pisces, cancers
Speaker 1: and aries like everything. Oh that's interesting, and an occasional
Speaker 1: Gemini went, yeah, I know, I love it. And I'm
Speaker 1: shocked though, because I don't think a lot of Pisces
Speaker 1: are like big performers. I think that's literally literally next album,
Speaker 1: but I don't They're not usually as like extroverted. They're
Speaker 1: more sensitive and artistic. Yeah, exactly, like quiet, creativity and interesting.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's maybe my cancer moon. Yeah. See
Speaker 1: that's where I think like a lot of like random
Speaker 1: things come from. But I don't even I don't that.
Speaker 1: I start to get confused. What is your what is
Speaker 1: your whole deal? Okay? So I'm well, it's a great
Speaker 1: time to be getting So I believe I am Scorpio,
Speaker 1: and then I'm a Capricorn rising, Gemini moon, Gemini, Gemini moone.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot happening here. Yeah, twisting combo, right,
Speaker 1: I think that means that I'm a Gemini moon Okay,
Speaker 1: Scorpius son Um Libra rising, Okay, I'm Pisces, Pisces rising,
Speaker 1: and my moon is cancer. Okay, I'm water water water
Speaker 1: and the rest of my chart is dripping wet, just sing.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking so absolutely, I'm like fucking um uh,
Speaker 1: I'm sucking um. Kate Bosworth when she sees Josh Dumel
Speaker 1: and when the date Hamilton's when a date when a
Speaker 1: date Hamilton's stick to her in Blue Crush, So I
Speaker 1: was just ready to be like, can we talk about
Speaker 1: Blue Crush? Crush her eyes? She's gorgeous, She's a gorgeous star.
Speaker 1: She only had to be in like three things and
Speaker 1: now she's just like at fashion shows, which I love
Speaker 1: that career path for a lot of people. It's so efficient.
Speaker 1: It's so efficient. And never forget her as the racist girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And remember the Titans, right, literally, never are you hanging
Speaker 1: out with those black people? Are you doing this? She
Speaker 1: ran Gosling's No, she's she's the quarterback who gets hit
Speaker 1: by the sorry spoiler he remember remember that we no
Speaker 1: longer have to watch that movie now that we're out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so hard. Literally remember being in the theater
Speaker 1: being like no, exactly, I'm like, are we getting out
Speaker 1: of here and going to a chili? Yeah? It's like
Speaker 1: Track and Night at Red Robin. But literally I was like,
Speaker 1: who's that icont A girl playing the racist girl friend?
Speaker 1: That impression again? Why are you hanging out with those
Speaker 1: black people? Come all, let's go, we gotta go drink
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. I love like actresses like that
Speaker 1: being like racist Southern in Hidden Figures, Hidden Figures, It's like, what, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: bry Styles Howard and The Help being like a plan,
Speaker 1: they just they overacted, which is always like I love
Speaker 1: any anyone who just willingly just brings forth a raised eyebrow.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking fuck it up. Damn, oh god. Bryce
Speaker 1: styles Howard in The Help opposite Octavia is perfect, especially
Speaker 1: my ship, and I think Jessica Chastin is perfect in
Speaker 1: that heartbreaking on Jessica. Yeah, and also you know, of
Speaker 1: course we have Viola. Of course fun and U with
Speaker 1: the curls Ring, Little Ring, Little Curly bring the culture
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Have you lost your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sh no, good for nothing. But I stand Bryce styles
Speaker 1: Howard world. We have a lot, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun with Bryce Dallas on this show. But she
Speaker 1: does what she has to do. And the first one,
Speaker 1: essentially with that stupid haircut, I put her in that
Speaker 1: it's instantly that I will never I'll never let it go.
Speaker 1: That the second movie they took her out of this shoe. No,
Speaker 1: they and the whole joke was like she's not rain heels.
Speaker 1: The whole time, I'm like, no, she needs to the character.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, this is where you lost
Speaker 1: the gays and this reason reason shoe only watching on
Speaker 1: an airplane. They put her in a sensible shoe and
Speaker 1: they pulled her hair out of her face. Big mistake.
Speaker 1: Big mistake, because it's not like we didn't see her
Speaker 1: out run the t Rex in the first movie, so
Speaker 1: we know she doesn't need to wear the flats. Okay,
Speaker 1: those little doctor and actress also not for nothing. But
Speaker 1: she gives you an iconic single tear when the Dominus
Speaker 1: Rex has its maw next to the car and she
Speaker 1: turns to the camera and she just gives you one
Speaker 1: tier and one tier only. And I just did it
Speaker 1: in the room. I just cried one tier immediately, like
Speaker 1: Selina anders, we bring it back, that one tier. You've
Speaker 1: got to have that one tier. Although Constant s Wu
Speaker 1: has fifty in hustlers. I'm like, literally, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: don't cry anymore. I can't. It's and the way it
Speaker 1: was coming out was like not natural. I was like looking,
Speaker 1: I know, and her face just still looked perfect though,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, is that really crying? I guess some
Speaker 1: people look like that. When she did give you an iconic,
Speaker 1: single tier and crazy rich Asians. She did, she did?
Speaker 1: Wait was the scene, stunning wedding scene, the wedding. Oh,
Speaker 1: the wedding scene. I just got chills sticking watch it again.
Speaker 1: The one iconic movie. And so when is when is
Speaker 1: the next one coming? I don't know, but we gotta
Speaker 1: get you in for some we gotta get you in
Speaker 1: that simply for some reason, they're not like rushing it,
Speaker 1: like I feel like they would just on anything that
Speaker 1: does really where they're like, we're making every Twilight movie
Speaker 1: in the next three months. They are Russian because they're
Speaker 1: shooting the sequels back to back, but they always do
Speaker 1: that with the suit and it's like, okay, no, just
Speaker 1: like Avatar. Yeah, yeah, like Avatar. There's twelve avatars that
Speaker 1: we have not seen. Are you an Avatar person? I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm embarrassed, but yeah I saw four times
Speaker 1: literally read your three times your energy. Yeah. People tell
Speaker 1: me I like Jake Sully, Oh my god, um okay,
Speaker 1: the white eyes yeah big, I kind of saw by
Speaker 1: Leona Lewis forgotten. Yeah, I definitely like really I thought
Speaker 1: that that was like a mega moment. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: like this is and I'm still waiting for the sequels.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to that amusement park. We've been out, yes,
Speaker 1: bitch see when to the Star Wars one? And I was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: weait I forgot you guys go to an amusement parks
Speaker 1: in this house, we go. We're disney Gates. Yeah, Chared's
Speaker 1: to disney Gate. We have annual passes. Next week to
Speaker 1: celebrate Game Show being wrapped, he said he made a
Speaker 1: reservation at Olga's Cantina and I cried. I cried, and
Speaker 1: that's called oh can I bring that? Sorry? Actually, that's
Speaker 1: been a thing I have. I haven't said that word yet, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I almost did the other day and
Speaker 1: I was like, do I do this? Hope? I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I said it to my boyfriend. Five
Speaker 1: minutes later, I was in the bathroom and we were
Speaker 1: at like a friend's. A friend had like a gallery show,
Speaker 1: like a bad one too. It was just terrible. And
Speaker 1: someone's banging on the door and I'm like, okay, relax,
Speaker 1: and I opened the door and he has thrown up
Speaker 1: like he's so drunk at this thing. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I literally just said I love you, like set it back.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna remember now. We got to redo that.
Speaker 1: This is How'm gonna remember it forever. And I do
Speaker 1: remember it forever, but kind of funny now. And I
Speaker 1: had to clean up his throw up after telling him
Speaker 1: I love him. That's beautiful. There's been three or so,
Speaker 1: we're fine. Did he remember the next day that he
Speaker 1: did he did that? And yeah, I guess he claimed
Speaker 1: that he had said it before then, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't remember. He will. He doesn't listen to this podcast,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't talk about this. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't gauge whether I should be
Speaker 1: the one to say it or he should be the
Speaker 1: one to say it don't matter. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. And it's like it's like it is that way,
Speaker 1: but it's like I don't know. We've also been dating
Speaker 1: for June July, August September, five months. My first point friend,
Speaker 1: I said it. He said it first, really quickly. In
Speaker 1: my heart, I'm a lesbian with relationships faster than anything.
Speaker 1: And then you know what's weird. Every other element of
Speaker 1: our relationship I feel has moved fast. But we also
Speaker 1: were friends for like five months because I knew you
Speaker 1: were like I saw Jared Kimpetri's concert. Where else am
Speaker 1: I going to say? Each other? So we know each
Speaker 1: other because my brother UM worked at this company with
Speaker 1: his close friend from call in l A. And so
Speaker 1: then a few nights I kept meeting him when I
Speaker 1: was in the closet even and it was so fun
Speaker 1: because I would just like talk to him and obviously
Speaker 1: like he knew, but he was just never like he's
Speaker 1: very perceptive. He's very perceptive, but not someone who's like
Speaker 1: giving you ship or like trying to like poke it.
Speaker 1: He would just like show up to like parties and
Speaker 1: always be so sweet. And then once I came out, Um,
Speaker 1: I saw him like a like a year ago at
Speaker 1: the friend we shares. I think it was her mom's
Speaker 1: birthday party or something, and I had just come out
Speaker 1: and we just had this nice conversation. It's like always
Speaker 1: a fondness and anytime I see him, I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: very easy to talk to. Ye also insanely talented writer. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's how we know you. And the friend
Speaker 1: we share is like an age. Have you met Liz
Speaker 1: Kanyet No, But it was just her birthday. It was
Speaker 1: just her birthday. Yeah, and just yeah, he said he
Speaker 1: was at her. He actually was at her birthday last night,
Speaker 1: and he said he did mushrooms and I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: having from I am truly I'm so scared of mushrooms
Speaker 1: in every way. Okay. Um, I think I did like
Speaker 1: kind of them. Um, but I like I've had i acid,
Speaker 1: you know, I had an acid moment in college and
Speaker 1: that was fun. But some of them now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess he literally he just texted
Speaker 1: me now that's that's the cosmics because he's he's alive. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's good. I was kind of gonna just check, just
Speaker 1: like find that out. Um yeah, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: I'm just like a little scared of them in this
Speaker 1: totally in this time, and this time it's gonna be
Speaker 1: scared from New York drugs. Honestly, it's like it's do
Speaker 1: not do not do anything until you're ready to do that.
Speaker 1: That one too, it's like you can wait. I think
Speaker 1: I've done like partially them in college. And I was
Speaker 1: also like, you know, in a weird place in college.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I like think my thought of
Speaker 1: them is weird. So I'm like, I think that you
Speaker 1: should wait. Especially college would have been weird because you
Speaker 1: were so preoccupied with the closet of it all. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god. That's the thing is you can't be
Speaker 1: you can't be preoccupied. You do it because I feel
Speaker 1: like every time I did drugs, it would just be
Speaker 1: like someone be like, what are you thinking about right now?
Speaker 1: If you'd just be sitting there, I'm gay, just thinking
Speaker 1: about stuff, you know, But I would just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking gay, like fun, Okay, Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: I gotta figure that out. And I did love it,
Speaker 1: and I did. Yeah, but oh my god, and boyfriend
Speaker 1: or three years he's a good man. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: lucky on that one. I mean yeah. He's also a scorpio,
Speaker 1: which you know with some people go really hard on it,
Speaker 1: but it's fun. Some people are just like it's doomed.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like these were still you know. I
Speaker 1: believe and I don't. I think there's so much power
Speaker 1: in being the scorpio because I believe that scorpio is
Speaker 1: the sign that everyone comes for. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: who gets the worst rap Scorpio and Gemini and everyone's
Speaker 1: always like, it's so easy to come for the scorpis
Speaker 1: and the general geminis. But when you learned how to
Speaker 1: harness the scorpi and the you're the most powerful person
Speaker 1: in the universe. Oh my god. One thing you just
Speaker 1: have to stay away from. It's Leo's I feel like,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sometimes very scared of Leo Leo's freak
Speaker 1: Leo's that aren't tamed and untamed alliance. Oh I don't
Speaker 1: think Yeah, Um, that was funny. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: most interesting video to make. I was like, this seems
Speaker 1: like the trickiest sign to sensitive. Yeah, Virgo's and Leo's
Speaker 1: are tricky to me. To see more of this and
Speaker 1: more of our damn guest, you have to follow at
Speaker 1: any drama seven and he's gonna be your boss one day,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be last one day. And but for
Speaker 1: now we have to do I don't think so, honey, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is the segment of Last Cultures. That's where
Speaker 1: we take one minute to ranch against something in pop
Speaker 1: culture that is just kind of grinding our gears. I
Speaker 1: did hint at mind before. Do you have one today?
Speaker 1: I do? But should I go firs and tradition. We
Speaker 1: can have you go first because is Matt Rogers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. When it time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. They gave Adina Menzel another high e
Speaker 1: flat to belt in the new song Into the Unknown
Speaker 1: and Frozen two. Okay, So Adina, girl, we love you.
Speaker 1: Were a huge fan. We even saw skin Tight, which
Speaker 1: we honey, you know what is the thing about Let
Speaker 1: It Go? We can't hit that note. You know what's
Speaker 1: sad about the narrative of Let It Go? That it's
Speaker 1: rarely sung correctly. I don't think so, honey, of this
Speaker 1: idea that it's a wealth. We tried a moment every
Speaker 1: time we preferred Let it Go and other songs. If
Speaker 1: you're a singer hired to do a job, and you're
Speaker 1: a professional, you hit the notes of the song. Now
Speaker 1: I'm reading an article and I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: of this article where she says she quote gets cocky
Speaker 1: and put another note in there, and krist And Anderson
Speaker 1: Lopez is quoted as saying, I don't know how we
Speaker 1: ended up here, but here we are quote and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching Elsa realized she's a lesbian, because
Speaker 1: that is what that sequence is about. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be worried for your life. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Adina Menzel, girl, you're a bass what literally knocked out?
Speaker 1: You're gonna get sued for that. So the key you're
Speaker 1: hauling alphabet a bass. And I want to make this clear.
Speaker 1: I love I think she's a star. I think it
Speaker 1: is no mistake that she's been involved in many cultural phenomenons.
Speaker 1: But it is distracting to watch her perform when the
Speaker 1: songs are too high, because you're not thinking about the performance,
Speaker 1: You're not thinking about what she's talking about. Especially in
Speaker 1: musical theater, you have to be on the journey with
Speaker 1: the character. You're just worried the whole time that she's
Speaker 1: going to make it to the end without I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but killing herself. I didn't realize that, like it up,
Speaker 1: hold on, I literally just had it up. It's important
Speaker 1: that so they So they went in thinking like we're
Speaker 1: not going to make the same mistake we did last time,
Speaker 1: and like throwing this insane, unattainable note, Well this is it. Um.
Speaker 1: Let's see. In Frozen two, she goes for the high
Speaker 1: e flat again. One that she typically hits as this article,
Speaker 1: but as publicly missed before, like when she sang live
Speaker 1: in a New Year's performance. Afterwards, she posted on Twitter
Speaker 1: that you quote can't get it right all the time,
Speaker 1: but you can try your best. I don't think so hot.
Speaker 1: That's not There are singers who could do this in
Speaker 1: their sleep. But Manzel, this is the article didn't shy
Speaker 1: away from Arranged and Frozen two. In the sequel, she
Speaker 1: sings the high notes some more. Songwriters Kristen Erson Lopez
Speaker 1: and Robert Lopez included another e flat and equals and
Speaker 1: Elsa's sequel Ballot into the Unknown. They did, and I'll
Speaker 1: pay for that for the rest of my life and
Speaker 1: every other day that I can't sing it, joked Menzel
Speaker 1: on the Frozen to Red carpet. The songwriters told USA
Speaker 1: Today they knew the Tony Award winning actress could do it. Quote.
Speaker 1: We work very closely with Adina and make sure everything's
Speaker 1: cool with her, and we explore different creek keys, whatever
Speaker 1: feels best, and this is where we ended up somehow,
Speaker 1: end quote, she said. She said the reviews are good,
Speaker 1: said it's darker, more challenging, and that there again is
Speaker 1: not a traditional villain. That the villain is the feelings
Speaker 1: of the interior feelings. Apparently it explores themes of they
Speaker 1: have to go meet like another group of people, and
Speaker 1: they have to in meeting them, they confront things about
Speaker 1: their own past. And Evan rachel Wood plays their mother
Speaker 1: who has passed away. But I think I think there's
Speaker 1: like a dark truth about their family that they confront
Speaker 1: and apparently it's like apparently I kind of always want
Speaker 1: like a little witch, but yeah, no, I love but
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit. And this is Adina
Speaker 1: Menzel's last quote that I'll say quote I get cocky
Speaker 1: in the studio, I start to feel good, I go
Speaker 1: I can hit that, and then I wake up another
Speaker 1: morning and I'm like, why did I do that to myself? Girl,
Speaker 1: just lower the key for like saying I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was such like a thing. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm still that she's not trying the head. Every time
Speaker 1: Adina screams these notes, I'm just like, girl, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound good, and we're distracted, and it's I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a narrative of let it go. That
Speaker 1: it is rarely sung correctly like, no one's mad at
Speaker 1: you if you lower the key, you sound lovely. You're
Speaker 1: an amazing singer, You're Adina Menzel, You're talented, and we
Speaker 1: love you when we stand. But like this high e
Speaker 1: flat is not it. But I also understand the expectation
Speaker 1: around this. What's this single going to be from Frozen two? Is?
Speaker 1: By the way, we have not heard it. Oh, they
Speaker 1: won't release at this time. It's like not yet, It's
Speaker 1: still yeah, um, but it feels like they have to
Speaker 1: match it, at least on some technical level with with
Speaker 1: with with with a Nightmare. How about this gag? How
Speaker 1: about to Kristen Bell this time? How about this gag?
Speaker 1: How about give Jonathan Groff a song? Which I heard
Speaker 1: he does have a song. It's an eighties rock ballad.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. Yeah, oh my god, obsessed. He he's
Speaker 1: old that first movie. For me, I thought, you Christ,
Speaker 1: are you been talking about Josh Gad? I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Josh Okay, yeah, I'm talking about this is okay? Well,
Speaker 1: actually that's a loaded cast and we're adding Rachel to
Speaker 1: the mix and um Sterling cab Brown is also in
Speaker 1: the Wow, oh god, okay? Well, IV and Michel would you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have a queer movie right there,
Speaker 1: if you absolutely do, Okay, I've got so that was
Speaker 1: my I don't think so, honey. And now we're gonna
Speaker 1: go on to Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey. On this
Speaker 1: episode will start now, I don't think so, honey. Music
Speaker 1: that doesn't come out on a Friday. The industry made
Speaker 1: a huge big deal out of moving it from Tuesday
Speaker 1: to Friday years ago, remember that. And now we've all
Speaker 1: been conditioned to expect new songs to drop on Friday.
Speaker 1: I want I get disoriented when fucking you know, do
Speaker 1: Alipa puts out a song on a Thursday morning, honey?
Speaker 1: And then I don't know where I am, what day
Speaker 1: it is, what time it is, how I'm supposed to feel.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking up with all the seasonal change is
Speaker 1: happening in the midst of it all a sea now,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's a trend and it's just
Speaker 1: really gonna fragment the whole release model of the industry
Speaker 1: and who suffers the consumer us bitch. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: me having to like go to my release radar playlist
Speaker 1: on Spotify and seeing songs that are at least six
Speaker 1: days old because why it came out on a Saturday
Speaker 1: instead of Friday. No, this throws off everything. Nothing feels
Speaker 1: fresh anymore, and nothing feels new. I want to be
Speaker 1: surprised and delighted, and music industry, you better get it
Speaker 1: together or else I will sue. That's one minute culture
Speaker 1: number ten. Remember that. Remember that I made a big
Speaker 1: whole thing of making music come out on Friday. Remember that.
Speaker 1: Oh and that performance. She's not a dancer, but that
Speaker 1: was fantastic. But she always she knows her limitations and
Speaker 1: works all of it. She works her entire capability to
Speaker 1: the max. She's always got great stage and great backup,
Speaker 1: great concepts. Yeah, I love the Discomatics are fantastic. So
Speaker 1: I missed that old boyfriend though he's like British and
Speaker 1: he's like a kind of like British e John Mary,
Speaker 1: oh god chef right, Like she's tating some celebrity now right,
Speaker 1: she's with the air. Oh that's right, young Yeah, is one.
Speaker 1: She's got to be you. You know what I forgot?
Speaker 1: I forgot that she had one best new artist at
Speaker 1: the Grammys. Did she really? She won Best New Artists,
Speaker 1: She beat out her baby Rexa, And I remember I
Speaker 1: was like, huh, that's interesting. I never thought of Das.
Speaker 1: And then I really thought about it, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well new artist this year, not not too much else,
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting this year. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: got Billy. Can Billy be nominated? Now? Why did I
Speaker 1: think she was nominated last year? I mean, I am
Speaker 1: sure she was. She was for VM as she right,
Speaker 1: she wants, she wanted. She beat Lizzo for VM A thing.
Speaker 1: But I love Billy's acceptance video that she sent in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did you remember what it was? She
Speaker 1: was like, hey, guys, problematic And then she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: in Moscow right now, and um, I'm sorry I can't
Speaker 1: be there. But and then she's what she says, music
Speaker 1: videos and visuals have always been a huge priority for
Speaker 1: me totally. There was something like when we were six
Speaker 1: and were like panicking, white knuckling being closeted, and she
Speaker 1: was like, I want my concepts. I just love thinking
Speaker 1: of her like at a table being like for this one,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry like black tears. Yeah. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think I should pop the next video. I would love it.
Speaker 1: She super sweet, super sweet girl. Oh yeah you better Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she is. She was who has been the sweetest,
Speaker 1: nicest celebrity you've meta? Was on I know that you
Speaker 1: know Megan the Yeah, Megan, the most gorgeous person you've
Speaker 1: ever seen in yourself. I also just loved watching you
Speaker 1: you get the camera was catching you standing her oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and Chloe and he's just staring at her. She's like,
Speaker 1: it was like, we love you so much, and it
Speaker 1: was and Chloe Chloe was. Chloe loved that week with
Speaker 1: Chance because Chloe loves loves Chances and then Chloe's parents
Speaker 1: mad Chance. He got so much like Internet, Hey, first album,
Speaker 1: first album, because I love that Nicky one. So that's
Speaker 1: my fifth Forceman of the Apocalypse on NICKI, I mean,
Speaker 1: we love nick and we never forget Never Never you
Speaker 1: can't Pink Friday. I listened to She's About to Ruin
Speaker 1: Everyone with Shenley and then the album There's a good
Speaker 1: eight song album in Queen and Queen absolutely like, um,
Speaker 1: Barbie Dream, Barbie Barbie Dream was Barbie Tank And then
Speaker 1: what was that song? Oh god, U good form good
Speaker 1: good for ye eat the cooking and good form. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I love that should have I'm sad that
Speaker 1: that should have been. Yeah, that should be qua. I
Speaker 1: have to say. I also love the pink print and
Speaker 1: I really love I love um Roman Reloaded. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I love her. I love her forever.
Speaker 1: I mean pound the Alarm is forever my alarm, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that forever. Sometimes I haven't like like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's a great voice in the trap
Speaker 1: that album has and come on a cone, come on
Speaker 1: within with it. Can you know? That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Immediately when that came out and I did that, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm an absolutely section. I was watching
Speaker 1: her like eat your Hollywood Story. I remember like in
Speaker 1: high school, and my whole family knew I was obsessed,
Speaker 1: Like I was a Kendall for sure, and they have
Speaker 1: this ething and this person is being interviewed and they're like,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, all the people that like Nikki are
Speaker 1: like women, and then those are the barbies, and then
Speaker 1: there's the gay guys, which is the Kendalls. My family
Speaker 1: is all just sitting there and I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like stay guys like her too. That's so yeah,
Speaker 1: but truly a Kendal forever. I hope this retirement thing
Speaker 1: is just like I'm sure it's fake. Yeah, she's just
Speaker 1: like she works, she's a brand. She's stunting on us.
Speaker 1: She retired and dropped a Fendi line. She's not retired. No,
Speaker 1: her photo shoots Petty Petty. Absolutely. You know she was
Speaker 1: in her dressing room when she screams out and says
Speaker 1: that change it to miss Petty, change it and idea,
Speaker 1: and he bossed up so good. There's no wish I
Speaker 1: wrote it. But they're like, I'm so sad We're never
Speaker 1: going to get to know how many of us are
Speaker 1: our nicky stepsons and album because like that, someone kept
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, how many step sons, this nicky having
Speaker 1: queen And she says it a few times, but I
Speaker 1: love every time. It's like my son, motherfucking stepson, my son.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what did so? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: loved it that whole album start to finish, it's like
Speaker 1: just Natasha bedding Field. Yeah. Super Bases are is our
Speaker 1: national it is, it really is. It's actually real culture.
Speaker 1: Number six super Bases are national. I said that one
Speaker 1: with you. It's like, but now we have to have benitos.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think I have one. I'm just okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I just just go for yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can. You guys do it so fast and like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, all right, this has been skin of time.
Speaker 1: Honey's time starts now. I don't think so, Honey casting
Speaker 1: is c g I James Dean in that movie. That's
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable. Also, every time we see C g I people,
Speaker 1: it was like the last time I remember it was
Speaker 1: Tron and they tried to do that and then it
Speaker 1: was like JFK and Transformers. It always makes me uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like always looks weird. They can never quite get faces
Speaker 1: avatar works because you know, like they're blue, but everything else,
Speaker 1: Like I remember they did it to Jeff Bridges and
Speaker 1: try to make him look young and it made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I remember it chapter two they had some of the
Speaker 1: kids like look younger, and a few times I caught
Speaker 1: it on screen, I was like, I didn't need it,
Speaker 1: would have still believed they were young. M Yeah, C
Speaker 1: g I people. And also it's like he didn't sign
Speaker 1: out for that, like he died at twenty four. This
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable. I don't need to see him act anymore,
Speaker 1: like we have his movies already. Um, and I feel
Speaker 1: like his family if like I think he still has family,
Speaker 1: has to be uncomfortable with seeing him. And also how
Speaker 1: are you gonna do that? Like is it going to
Speaker 1: be his type of acting which is very different than
Speaker 1: we act now. And the whole thing is like I
Speaker 1: think it's super disrespectful to him, his legacy. It makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable cgi people. And that's when a minute I
Speaker 1: would agree let dead people be dead. It just makes
Speaker 1: me so uncomfortable because like a part of me also
Speaker 1: I just want to see how, like what it looks like.
Speaker 1: So then it's like I feel bad as a consumer
Speaker 1: of it because why I am curious how you're going
Speaker 1: to do that. It's also like that there that was
Speaker 1: their art, that was their legacy, and so now you know,
Speaker 1: you know what kind of bothers me is the huge
Speaker 1: hit that Higher Love is with Whitney Houston on it,
Speaker 1: It's like, you, guys, Whitney's dead, she let her rest.
Speaker 1: And also here's a question for the table, how do
Speaker 1: you guys feel about Robin Whitney's Robin coming out and
Speaker 1: talking about the fact, I would say, I'll say my
Speaker 1: take on it is. My take on it is. I
Speaker 1: kind of have a mentality now with the closet where
Speaker 1: it's like, we need to stop this, we need to
Speaker 1: stop normalizing being in the closet to advance professional careers,
Speaker 1: we need to start coming out and all saying what
Speaker 1: the real truth is. I think everyone that's in the
Speaker 1: closet is currently. I understand it's hard, we all know
Speaker 1: it's hard. But if we continue this narrative of normalizing
Speaker 1: being closeted to kind of do this, that's toxic because
Speaker 1: it is not normal to pretend it is normal to
Speaker 1: be yes. But but I don't think that's I'm not
Speaker 1: that's not my takeaway from this conversation. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: my mine neither. I actually think Robin was an equal
Speaker 1: partner in that relationship. A lot of people are talking
Speaker 1: about it, and this is her truth and she should
Speaker 1: speak read did you read like the story that she
Speaker 1: tells about when Whitney ended things? Talk about it, and
Speaker 1: I'm already like, I mean I saw the movie and
Speaker 1: I'm still like very hard. God, it's really killed those women.
Speaker 1: It's just a um but uh, it was early like
Speaker 1: they had a physical relationship early on in their friendship
Speaker 1: and early on in Whitney's career, and Whitney decided to
Speaker 1: end it very early on as well, but they maintained
Speaker 1: very like emotional she was like her rock for years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Whitney decided to end it, and um gave Robin
Speaker 1: a blue Bible as like a gift and I guess
Speaker 1: a symbol of like, we gotta end this. And then
Speaker 1: she was like and then what did when you say?
Speaker 1: She was like, we can't, I can't, we can't keep
Speaker 1: this going. It was basically kind of like she was
Speaker 1: between the career and her and she kind of chose that.
Speaker 1: And also I think there was so much familiar pressure.
Speaker 1: And also I'm sure that there was a great deal
Speaker 1: of you know, not if it wasn't self hatred, then
Speaker 1: it was self doubt, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so you know, also just in the black community, it's
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult, and I mean I think it's incredibly hard
Speaker 1: to be like a very feminine presenting pop star and
Speaker 1: then very religious that you know. Sissy is on the
Speaker 1: record of saying that that would have been a huge
Speaker 1: red line for her, and you know, she didn't have
Speaker 1: really a good relationship with her father, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you forget like Whitney Houston was groundbreaking in
Speaker 1: the mainstream, like and then when she became a movie star,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, opposite like who at
Speaker 1: that time was like our biggest movie star new Robert Redford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that truly is. Yeah, I mean I think that we
Speaker 1: we don't know, but The Bodyguard was huge. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think because we know it, it must be so big.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like because we know of the song
Speaker 1: and just like you know, it has to be so insane.
Speaker 1: But that is my take on it. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm happy that Robin is taking the narrative
Speaker 1: being like because because you know what, it's got to
Speaker 1: be very hard to be a footnote in someone else's story,
Speaker 1: especially someone that you really cared about who's no longer
Speaker 1: here and cannot speak for you or for the situation
Speaker 1: for themselves. So she is the only person who can
Speaker 1: speak truth to that. To watch all these documentaries and
Speaker 1: pieces and to finally to finally yeah and she yeah,
Speaker 1: even in white, I don't think they she wasn't interviewed
Speaker 1: for it, right, I don't think she's Robin was not
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, but they talked about it. It's like
Speaker 1: the first time I had ever heard about that, which
Speaker 1: just I was like, I found that really alarming that
Speaker 1: I had never before then heard about Whitney having like
Speaker 1: any relationships with women. So yeah, I'm kind of glad
Speaker 1: that she's finally spoken on it. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: to like end the speculation, which I never like speculations,
Speaker 1: Like I just find that to be like super you know,
Speaker 1: like either closet shaming or kind of just like sketchy
Speaker 1: and inherently just because it's like we think this was
Speaker 1: going on, it's like, well, can't we just like talk
Speaker 1: to the human being. I honestly, I think about this.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it on this podcast about Shawn Mendez,
Speaker 1: where it's like it's like it's like now it's uncomfortable
Speaker 1: because it's like it's such a narrative and I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like like, let things be what it is.
Speaker 1: Like there's a part of me that's like if if,
Speaker 1: if that is happening, then I feel like it's sad
Speaker 1: because I just don't want kids who are watching it
Speaker 1: to hear the narrative around it and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that has to be me. It's it's it's poisonous. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is the shame of it. And also I'm like,
Speaker 1: if he is like the inner trauma facing of like
Speaker 1: being closeted in public, not in any way like like
Speaker 1: I don't know, and we genuinely don't know what I
Speaker 1: would just say. I would say the only thing that
Speaker 1: he is out about is the fact that he has
Speaker 1: insane anxiety. So it's like, why are why why are
Speaker 1: we like it's angry at this, why are we pressing
Speaker 1: that even more? Yeah, it's like I never find that
Speaker 1: to be Yeah. And also, yeah, you're like scaring everyone
Speaker 1: who is in the closet, and you know, like people
Speaker 1: who grow up not in cities and don't see gay
Speaker 1: people all the time. It's like funk, okay, Like he's
Speaker 1: getting shamed for being in the closet. But it's like,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you're necessarily proving to him
Speaker 1: that it's great when you're out, he's attacked, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the second he comes out, it's like not everyone's going
Speaker 1: to be like, we let me accept you a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are like this, but there's going to
Speaker 1: be some people that are like, why did you do?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He's very he is the
Speaker 1: biggest male pop star right now. Absolutely. Yeah. He's a
Speaker 1: new Bieber. So it's like if Bieber had come out.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm curious. I don't know. Yeh, who knows what?
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I feel like you have to come
Speaker 1: back because we so much. This is an honor. It
Speaker 1: really is talking about our pop with the two of you.
Speaker 1: This is a culture really scratched. The damn surfair. We
Speaker 1: need to get into the Jeff Coon's cover, which there's
Speaker 1: so much to be said. I mean so much. But um, so,
Speaker 1: are you going to be doing your show a lot
Speaker 1: going forward? A little bit? I'm almost It's been a year,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of like almost done. I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of getting getting back in and making some sketches. Um,
Speaker 1: I need you two and sketches immediately immediately. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I think cont okay, yeah, we'll find so much.
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, I'm doing like a few shows in
Speaker 1: the next month. I a few in Texas and then
Speaker 1: well can they find your shows on your Instagram? Did
Speaker 1: you plug Yeah in my Lincoln. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: an icon like both of you on Nick. Thank you
Speaker 1: for all you do. My word and actually we do,
Speaker 1: and every every episode with a song fro and do
Speaker 1: do do do? Last? I really like you? No way
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