WEBVTT - From the Vault: Sexbots 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:07.920 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My name 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.879 is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.120 We are headed vault. Word. What's in the vault today? Well, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.079 this time the vault is full of sex spots. Joe. Yeah. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.920 So this is an episode that I recorded with Christian 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:25.960 back in UHR. And this one was a really interesting 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:27.760 to want to do. This is one that we we've 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.720 actually run into cases where someone has suggested it and 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.040 then we get to point back and say, ah, actually, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.599 here it is. Here's everything you probably want to know 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.400 and a few things you don't want to know about 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:43.479 the idea of robots that are being created, that are 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.440 being conceived and maybe created in the future. Uh that 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.960 are that are created for human sexual reasons. And I 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.680 mean and it really it runs the gamut from from 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.160 ideas that are rather exploitive than kind of disturbing to 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.440 things that actually sound like they will have a you know, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:08.600 positive effect on society, the idea of therapeutic robots. So 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.960 anyway we we present it to you, let you dive in, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.280 and then you can let us know how you feel 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.639 about these ideas. All right, Well, without any further Ado. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:24.760 Let's get into this vault episode. Welcome to Stuff to 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:33.680 Blow Your Mind from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.560 welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.080 Robert Lamb and my name is Christian Seger. So hey, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.120 if this is an episode that you are listening to, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.480 maybe with your kids, or maybe you're concerned about the 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.720 company that you're listening to it in, we should just 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.200 let you know up front. This is gonna be a 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.360 little bit of a more graphic episode of Stuff to 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.880 Blow Your Mind. Be uh, based on the title. You 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.400 probably know that already, but we just wanted to give 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.680 you a heads up because we know that a lot 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.120 of families right into us and say, hey, I really 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.560 like listening to the show. I listened to it on 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.000 the way to school in the morning with my daughter. Um, 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.960 this might not be the episode to do that. Yeah, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.560 you might give this one a skip in that case. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.000 Now that being said, we're we're gonna tackle the topic 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.280 of sex spots in this episode, and we are, as usual, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.000 we're going to do our best to to demystify the 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.560 topic of bit we're gonna explore. Yes, we're gonna talk 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.040 about some of the in many cases trashier um examples 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.080 of this show up in our science fiction. We're going 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.200 to talk about some definite opposition to the idea of 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.920 sex spots, but we're also going to explore some territory 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 that I was really fascinated with that where where we 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.600 see a more positive vision of what a sex spot 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.040 or sexual interaction between humans and machines might consist, of 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.160 visions of this that are beneficial, even therapeutic. Yeah, exactly. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.040 I think that's the real hook here, and the thing 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.400 that I didn't know a lot about going into the research, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.680 which is that there are a lot of uh of 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.720 these robots being bill and there's a lot of research 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:07.040 going into their construction that's healing basically for human beings 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.320 in a variety of ways. And we'll get into that now. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.560 Before we get into the science, we should just take 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.679 a few moments to talk about some of the examples 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.040 that we've seen, and there are many different examples of 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.320 sex spots in science fiction. I mean, whenever we start 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:25.240 thinking about artificial humans, and certainly we've dreamed about artificial 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.280 humans since ancient times, they factored into our many of 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.679 our myth cycles. We we inherently deal with our anxiety 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.680 about technology and our anxiety about human nature in dreaming 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.280 up these various examples. So a few that come to mind. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.520 There's a wonderful novel titled The Wind Up Girl. Uh. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.440 And this was by Paulo Baca Galupi. And this is 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.240 this coming concerned you know, sort of your sort of 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.640 your typical sex bot scenario. We have a pleasure body 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.560 of some kind, a feminine robot that is made for 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:03.120 male pleasure, that escapes, goes rogue, you know, has a 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.360 has a struggle for independence. It's a really good book. Uh, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.160 but it does explore kind of a classic trope here 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.360 that is a very common trope in sci fi now 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.320 now that I think about it, and especially looking at 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.040 a lot of our examples here with things that are 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.119 really kind of popular right now, like Humans or Westworld, right, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.200 like the other shows that are all exploring that same idea. Yeah, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.000 both great shows. And you can and it's obvious why 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.479 this is such a powerful trope because you get to 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.040 explore not only are concerns about technology and the future 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.240 of technology, but also about about what it means to 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.159 be to be female in today's world. And and uh 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.039 and in various feminine issues that you can explore through this. Uh, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.679 this fantastic vision. Yeah. The other recent one that really 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.520 gripped a lot of people's attention. I thought it was 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.880 maybe the best movie that came out that year was 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.840 XM Gonna Yes. Alex Garland's XM Gonna Wow. Uh definitely 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.760 Uh talked about the issues surrounding sex, but was more 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.800 about I guess the like emotional availability of AI. And 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.880 this is something that like we've actually off air been 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.000 kind of talking about, like how it relates to this 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.880 topic is um For instance, that Spike Jones movie Her, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.640 which I haven't seen but I don't think, actually features 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.440 a robot in it, but it's sort of the same idea. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.159 It's like, can an artificial intelligence convince you that it's 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.520 real enough that you have you're an emotionally engaging relationship 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.680 with it. Yeah, this is, of course, is the whole 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.560 topic undo itself, Like to what degree we in view 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.479 a non living thing with life, even if it's not 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.640 a robot, even if it is a doll or a 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.680 toy painting. I mean, we have this fabulous ability to 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.600 anthropomorphize just about anything, to have it lead you put 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.800 a smiley face on something and it will create we 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.080 will instantly have this smidgeon at least a smidgeon of 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.920 investment in that thing as a person. Well, and that 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.120 goes way back. You've got notes here to the Greek 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.040 myth of Hefestus, right, or as I usually call him, Vulcan, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.680 because I think that's Vulcan's what the Roman version of that. Yeah, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.240 you have Vulcans, the Roman version and uh yeah, and 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.760 if you've ever rolled through Birmingham, Alabama, they have a 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.719 big statue of Vulcan. Wait, is that right? That's true? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.239 why because it was like a steel working town. Okay, so, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.719 uh so Vulcan plays a role in in my personal 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.160 history as well. But yeah, this in myth, he created 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.200 a series of life sized golden maids, among various other models. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.159 So he was kind of a mad scientist of Greek 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.280 and Roman myth. But you can see they're like going 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.280 that far back that we human beings were thinking about 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.080 in our culture and our storytelling, like how we were 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.960 going to try to replicate the human experience in machines 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.239 or in I believe the terminology that was used referring 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:59.240 to Vulcan and Hefestus was biotechnique. Yeah, yeah, that's right, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.080 and there's a wonderful Ian magazine, aren't on that. I'll 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.640 try to include a link to that and some of 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.880 the other articles who were mentioning here in the landing 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.440 page for this episode of Stuff to Blow your Mind 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.760 dot Com. Also, obviously many people out there probably thinking 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.720 of Darryl Hannah's character Priss from Blade Runner, which is 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.760 referred to as a basic pleasure model. Although so it's funny. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.120 I was reading an Ionine article yesterday that's all about 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.400 what what we're talking about right now, the fictionalized versions 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.040 of sex spots. There's a lot of argumentation in the 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:32.440 commentary about whether Priss counted because replicants are technically organic individuals. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.280 I think she counts. Yeah, yeah, there there's that whole 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.400 Once you get into the whole android replicant thing, it 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.680 gets a little, uh, a little hazy. Now, anybody out 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.080 there is a fan of Rick and Morty, there was 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.280 an episode titled Raising gas Orpazorp that included a sex 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.040 spot that I haven't seen that one. Yeah, that that 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.840 Morty ends up acquiring and has a brief addiction to. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.840 So we might come back to that vision of a 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.000 sex spot here in the future. But that kind of 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.320 leads us into some of the more exploited visions. I 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.679 guess you can say, the sort of heavy metal visions 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.440 of the sex spot. Um, what what was the name 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.960 of the artist that you you sent me yesterday? There's 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.680 this guy. So heavy Metal Magazine is what we're referring to, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.840 which is, if you're unfamiliar with it, is an American 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.840 magazine that specializes in comics that are sort of like 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:26.200 R rated fantasy sci fi comics. Uh. And the cover 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.160 art is usually pretty salacious. And Robert found this one 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.160 artist who has done quite a number of covers for 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:37.920 them that specializes in sexualized female robots. Oh yeah, this 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:42.720 would be, of course, be Japanese artist Hajjimie Sori Yama. Okay, yeah, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.800 and this is this is one of the Remember when 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.560 I first got online really the first year of college, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.200 last year of high school, I ended up introducing myself 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.480 to a number of fantasy artists that that I was 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.040 instantly taken with. And uh and I remember encountering this 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.520 guy's work and it's it's I catch ing, but it's 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.280 all of like sexy robot pinop dolls, like that's his 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.000 his thing, and that's certainly a vision of the sex spot, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.120 the fimbot that you know, whatever you want to call them, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.040 whatever they're calling your particular uh sci fi property that 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.240 we see time and time again. Um, like a property 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.480 that I think back to is nineteen eight seven's Cherry 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.920 two thousand starring Melanie Griffith. I have never seen that, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.880 and I you know, I've always kind of heard about 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.320 it on the fringe of things, but yeah, it really 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.920 hit my radar doing the research for this episode. Yeah, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.640 it's it's definitely one that falls more into the you know, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.640 exactly what you'd expect from a nineteen eighties film, so 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.480 it has a sex about it. I suppose like she 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.880 can't complain too much about her daughter doing these fifties 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.440 shades of gray movies. Then if like daughter can just 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.480 be like, well you were in Cherry two thousand, Yes, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.600 but she was not Cherry two thousand, Oh she was. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.959 She was just she's like a human bounty hunt. Okay, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.200 I didn't know that, all right, Um, you know what 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.000 is not on the list that it just like popped 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.680 into my head. I can't believe we forgot about this. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.679 The Stepford Wives Yeah, the Stepford Wives a big one 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.079 that and it ties in directly with some of the 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.760 fears and eggs ideas they were going to discuss here, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:07.520 because it's men making robot women to be their perfect wives. Yeah. Uh, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:12.080 there's Jude Law as Jigglo Joe in the movie AI. Uh, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.800 one of the rare examples of a male sex spot 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.440 in popular culture. On Buffy the Vampire Slayer, they made 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:24.960 several sex spots, including one of Buffy for Spike, which 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:30.000 really there's some really dicey sexual relationship stuff that goes 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.960 on in that show towards the end of the later seasons, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.000 and that's one of them. Um. And then the comics, Uh, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.440 there's this comic called Autumn Lends that's coming out right 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.560 now that I really enjoy. It's by Kurt Busick and 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.960 Benjamin Dewey and Uh. In the second arc, the characters 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:50.280 encounter these statue esque naked robot women who once served 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.360 this like long forgotten civilization as sex slaves, and when 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.160 one of the characters tries to force himself upon them, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.560 they rebel and it's it's really it's a really interesting 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.560 take on this whole thing that we're gonna be talking 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.160 about today, but um, I highly recommended if you're into 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.520 comics check that out. So obviously, some of these visions 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.320 of the sex spot are are more fantastic than others, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.839 and some are more serious than others in their commentary. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.480 But ultimately it's all sort of circling around our our 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.520 legitimate concerns about ourselves and technology. So what what are 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.440 we afraid of? What? What indeed are we very right 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.880 to be concerned about? Uh? You know, we see this 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.920 continuing trope of the human abuse of robots mirroring our 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.319 own abuse of each other. If we create robots in 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.760 our image, then are we destined to exploit them, to 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.280 abuse them, and even further objectify and to humanize each 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.680 other based on this model? And I also can't help 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.560 but feel that female sex spots and fiction especially tend 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.160 to serve, as you know, as commentaries on product femininity. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.840 Uh the the all too frequent portrayal of human females 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.640 as mere sex objects, devoid of nuanced personality or identity. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.800 And we didn't plan it out this way, but actually 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.160 so coming out this week along with this episode, we're 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:07.920 doing an episode on the science of ovulation and how 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:13.680 that plays into marketing femininity. Uh and and so it's 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.360 it's interesting to do these two episodes side by side 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.680 and sort of see the parallels. Yeah, there's always this 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.200 weird synchronicity between the episodes, it seems. So why don't 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.800 we get into the current state of you know what. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.240 Some of you out there are probably like, well, wait, what, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.880 Like there's all these pop culture versions that you just mentioned, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.880 but where are these sexpots you speak of now? Right? UM, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.480 I would just first like to very quickly go over 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:44.120 a short history of sex toys in terms of you 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.400 know where we're at with that. These are tens of 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.640 thousands of years old. You know, most people don't know that. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.880 They probably think it's relatively recent invention. The oldest dildough 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.000 is more than twenty thousand years old. Vibrators began as 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.199 medical devices that midwives and physicians use to treat illnesses 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.480 such as hysteria through what they referred to as pelvic 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.640 massage or manual stimulation. The first one of these was 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:13.080 introduced in seventeen thirty four. That's that goes far back. Uh. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.680 And it wasn't into the late eighteen hundreds when powered 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.160 vibrators were available to doctors, and then by they were 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.240 available directly to consumers. And then you know, nowadays people 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.040 think about computer driven sex toys. That goes back to 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.000 the mid nineteen seventies. Yes, I mean, certainly, sexuality is 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.480 always a huge aspect of human behavior, even if we 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.040 want to push it to the background. So it has 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.160 a tendency to be at the forefront of any technological 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.280 advancement or any kind of new enterprise. I think it's 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.319 just yeah, worth like reminding ourselves, like, hey, this isn't new. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.840 This has been around for a long time. What we're 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.920 discussing here is really just like the latest iteration of 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.640 this and what does that say about us? Yeah, and 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.920 it's not a situation where suddenly sexually minded individuals are 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.599 at the forefront, uh, you know, pushing and meddling with 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.760 the technology. They've always been there. Uh So, just to 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.680 give a brief idea of the future so that we 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.679 can we can backtrack and discuss the present. There was 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.079 an interesting Pew Research Center paper that came out in 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.880 two thousand fourteen titled Digital Life in AI Robotics in 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.520 the Future of Jobs. Now. For the most part, this 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.160 article did not go into the use of sexual robots. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.080 But there is one part where this guy by the 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.800 name of Stow Boyd, whose lead researcher for Giga o 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.000 M Research futurists. He predicted quote Pizzas will not be 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.600 delivered by teenagers hoping for a tip. Food will be 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.080 raised by robotic vehicles, even in small plot urban farms. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.240 That will become the norm since so many people will 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.000 have lost their jobs to bots. Your X rays will 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.520 be reviewed by a battery of Watson Grade A eyes, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.360 and humans will only be pulled in when the machines disagree. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.120 Robotics sex partners will be commonplace. Although the source of 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.160 scorn and division the way that critics today bemoans selfies 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.000 as an indicator of all that's wrong with the world. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.680 So I think that's an interesting take on it. I 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.920 definitely agree with him that on the scorn and division, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.920 and that is going to be a you know, really 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.480 the big divide that we're going to speak about today 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.720 in terms of what's going on with this technology. I 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.600 don't I don't see it as being analogous to selfies, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.200 though I think it's a little more extreme than that. Yeah, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.000 I think time and time again we have to come 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.120 back to examples of what the what the current technology is. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.160 So today we have a number of different sexual devices, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.160 sexual toys of your world that are on the market, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.000 and many of them are very high selling. That being said, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.000 sex toys continue and perhaps will always be, uh that 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.200 the punchline of many a jail. Yeah right, exactly. Yeah, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.160 we were talking about this earlier that it's like, uh, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.160 you know, this is the stuff of like late night 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.600 talk show hosts, like making a throwaway Joe here there. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.200 It's something everybody can kind of relate to and laugh 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.680 at and laugh at themselves about. Right, And then at 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.560 the same time, many of the people who are laughing 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.840 and some that are not laughing are still going to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.320 perhaps go online and order one of these devices for 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.360 their personal use. Yeah. So we're a far cry, though, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.920 from having a robotic humanoid body that that moves like 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.360 we do, but roboticists continue to make strides in this area. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.120 So everyone's seeing videos of the various of Boston Dynamics robots, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.240 you know, and they're often kind of fearsome. They look 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.760 like mechanical jumping horses. I gets. So we should probably 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.400 clarify what this is. Maybe not everybody out there is 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.160 familiar with this. So this is what the last year 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.160 and a half Boston Dynamics is like continually releasing these 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.120 kind of like press release videos of these robots that 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.040 they're working on that basically look like robot pack mules. Yeah, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:47.960 and that's kind of the cell, right that there robotic 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.760 pack mules that can that would have a military application, 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.480 that can go over diverse terraine. So we can look 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.360 to those and obviously these are not sexy, these are 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.480 not these are not devices where you say, hey, that's 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.520 the future of sexual robotics right there, but they do 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:09.880 demonstrate the strides that we're making and creating robots that 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.600 can move in reality, that can that can that can 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.040 actually interact with the world physically and any of There 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.360 are other areas where the technology continues to impress, So 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.400 we know robot assisted surgery VR, haptic feedback, and there 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.280 is this, uh, this field of that's sometimes referred to 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.480 as tele del donis uh where they're utilizing all this 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:37.000 technology for more advanced sexual devices and sex toys. This 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.120 is basically across long distances right right. Like one example 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.359 of this is uh uh Frixtion, I believe is the 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.879 name of how you pronounced the product, and they use 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.840 haptic sensors and robotic accessories to enable remote control sex. Okay, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.200 so let's take a quick break and when we get back, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.840 now that we've covered sort of, you know, up to 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.320 the current state of affairs with sex spots, we're going 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.440 to talk about the off the shelf on the market 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:12.520 robot Roxy. Alright, we're back. So yeah, let's talk about 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.560 Roxy a little bit. Roxy is I think a it's 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.000 an important example to hit, but it's also such a 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:24.240 uh problematic example because it it represents some of the 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.359 more notorious aspects of sexual robot. So we learned about 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.320 Roxy from Eon magazine, which if if you're a long 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.439 time listener, you know that we read quite a bit 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.520 of it. Uh. It's a robot companion. Uh. It doesn't 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:42.199 quite produce the Uncanny Valley effect, you know, unlike um, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.639 those actroids that you sometimes see that are created in 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.160 like Japanese commercials or something like that. But they come 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.159 Roxy comes in a variety of models, and some of 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.879 them actually have personalities. So there's a little bit of 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:59.040 programming that goes into this. Uh. It includes the regular Roxy. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:05.200 There is also mature Martha Young Yoko and Frigid Farrah. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.320 And that's where I got a little I got a 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.720 little creeped out personally, because the idea of frigid fare 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.439 is it's like she plays hard to get, she's you know, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.840 not necessarily interested in having sex with you. And that's 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.040 a little that's where there's some weird lines. I think, Yeah, 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.960 this this is, you know, an obvious example of something 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.640 will come back to the idea that you have NNE 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.320 creating female robots for a male audience, and they've got 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.840 very specific fetish very stereotypical betrayals and um and sort 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.199 of male approved models of what a female is, very 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.880 simplistic models. Yeah. Oh, and I should clarify to young 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.000 Yoko is not although we are going to talk about 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.840 pedophile sex spots. Young Yoko is supposed to be over 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.159 the age of eighteen personality wise. But basically this roxy 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.359 robot sounds kind of like Sirian the way that it 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.240 talks back to you. There urpist is to pride more 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.000 than sex. The idea is that they're your true companion 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.560 and you can talk to them before and after sex. Uh. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.640 And and given that you've got all the personalities chosen here. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.439 You know, what, what does this tell us about the 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.720 future proliferation of these sex spots? Uh? And here's where 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.680 it gets real weird. Aon says that the person who 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.800 created roxy it was originally created as the recreation of 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.080 a friend that was lost in nine eleven, and then 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.119 that developed into this consumer oriented sex spot. Well, and 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.040 then I've also read that that the technology behind Roxy 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.359 started out as a as an inquiry into creation of 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.360 a robot home care nurse. So now I'm wondering if 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.400 there's just like these different urban myths about Roxy. Well, now, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.560 I I I wrote a little bit years ago where 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.919 I ended up touching on Roxy and uh, and I 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.760 believe the home care nurse thing is is legit. But 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.479 I guess it comes down to the evolution of an idea, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.879 the evolution of of figuring out how to commercially apply 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:09.240 your technology. So what starts as an as an intention 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.560 to create a robotic nurse, uh, may end up going 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.240 through some changes until suddenly you're producing a sex doll. Well, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.639 like you said, with all technological developments, that kind of 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.000 the pioneering end of it is sexual in nature. I mean, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.120 look at the Internet. Yeah, exactly. Now we mentioned sex dolls. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.080 Of course, sex dolls have been around for some time, 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.960 and it's been proven that individuals can at least find 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.199 some sort of detached pleasure or even an imaginative bond 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:40.680 with even just a non robotic semblance of a human. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.560 I always think back to a wonderful BBC documentary titled 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.919 Guys and Dolls that came out. God, it must have 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:48.600 been this. I think it maybe ten years old. Now 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.399 you can find I think you can find most of 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.680 it on YouTube and other such websites. But they profiled 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.800 a handful of real doll owners. These are, of course 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:04.080 anatomically correct life size human replicants. So are they built 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.280 for the purpose of sexes. They're built with that purpose 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:13.200 exclusively in mind. But is this documentary explored the individuals 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.000 in their bond with these things ranged immensely so there 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.000 was there's like a there's one guy in it that's 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.560 hanging him up on hooks, and another that just seems 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.080 to obsessively collect him and has some stack like kindling 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.040