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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: My chance to talk with artists, policy makers and performers,

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Speaker 1: to hear their stories. What inspires their creations, what decisions

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Speaker 1: change their careers, what relationships influenced their work. My guest

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Speaker 1: today is actor Viggo Mortenson. He was relatively unknown when

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Speaker 1: he appeared in Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 1: trilogy as the warrior king Arragorn. Mortenson brought an earthy

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Speaker 1: realism to a fantasy world filled with elves and wizards.

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Speaker 1: The overwhelmingly successful films changed the course of Mortenson's career

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Speaker 1: and he shot to global stardom. His latest film is

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Speaker 1: about a very different kind of fantasy. Captain Fantastic is

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Speaker 1: the story of a father trying to raise his six

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Speaker 1: children outside of conventionality and what happens when that fantasy collapses.

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Speaker 1: Mortenson himself was raised on three different continents, and he

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Speaker 1: says his own imagination was formed at an early age,

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Speaker 1: maybe because when that happens to you, when you're uprooted

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Speaker 1: a lot, you your fantasy world becomes a little more intense.

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Speaker 1: You know, you replace the friends that you have to

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Speaker 1: say goodbye to all the time with maybe imaginary friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I mean the kids in the movie here,

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Speaker 1: they're isolated from other people, that's for sure there, you know,

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Speaker 1: as you see at the beginning, they're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the four the youngest of them have never met

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Speaker 1: other people, and they're used to just being very self sufficient.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: we did move around a lot, and I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a sort of multi cultural environment. And maybe that

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Speaker 1: what did your dad do? He was he's raised down

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Speaker 1: a farm. He's Danish and farm boys sort of self made.

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Speaker 1: He he left home during high school. He didn't even

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Speaker 1: finish high school. But then he he met my mom,

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Speaker 1: who's from the US, was working in Norway, and fell

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Speaker 1: in love and got married and he moved here and

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Speaker 1: he decided, well, I'm gonna be a businessman. And so

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Speaker 1: he taught himself English and somehow got himself into a

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Speaker 1: business school here and did four years worth of studying

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Speaker 1: two years, you know, very driven when my mom was

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Speaker 1: working and supporting himself. And uh, and then when I

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Speaker 1: was born in in New York, we moved to South

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Speaker 1: do you have a lot of vivid memories of growing

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Speaker 1: up down they're living down there? Yeah, yeah, when I

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Speaker 1: was little, we lived in urban settings, and what I said,

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Speaker 1: it is and also in the in the country. My dad,

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Speaker 1: just like his dad had told him when I was

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Speaker 1: very young, my brothers and I all went camping with

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Speaker 1: him a lot, went into wild places, hunting, fishing, all that.

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Speaker 1: So those things were entirely How many brothers do you

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Speaker 1: have too? Are they in the business as well? No,

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Speaker 1: they're they studied geology quite different, although they're they're good.

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Speaker 1: They're musicians. And I would have felt the youngest one,

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Speaker 1: he was sort of very good mimic and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: very gifted in that way. And you know, if you

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Speaker 1: would have guessed when we were little boys, who if

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Speaker 1: would have been him, not me? Right, Yeah, what what

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Speaker 1: I don't maybe someone who has spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time himself. Probably I was. I mean I had friends,

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Speaker 1: would have never imagined trying out for a play or music.

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did someone who because you

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Speaker 1: seem so private and so um. Well, actually I did

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Speaker 1: have one experience. I was junior high or so. Once

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Speaker 1: it's called it was Hello Dolly Triumphant. And I said, what, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't you imagine me trying out for Hello. Valley's

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Speaker 1: debut is Hello Dolly? Right? And so I go, What

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Speaker 1: ass End of the Dragons. It sounds like my career.

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Speaker 1: And so how does it begin for you? Meaning the

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Speaker 1: person who was shy in private and likes to spend

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Speaker 1: time with himself, how does he cross that divide? Well,

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Speaker 1: at I guess the relatively late as something like that.

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Speaker 1: Where were you then? I was in I was in Denmark. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of family that our cousins and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I had a girl that I liked there and

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Speaker 1: I had different jobs, you know, pretty you know, like

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Speaker 1: was selling flowers on the street. That was nice. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I always like to see movies, my mom when I

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Speaker 1: was little. You should take me to pretty grown up movies.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember Dr Schivago or to see you know,

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Speaker 1: these long movies with intermissions been her Lawrence of Arabia,

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Speaker 1: the movies with her and through her and talking with

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Speaker 1: her in the intermission. And of course he'd also maybe

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Speaker 1: that and has she been. You know, she was typical

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Speaker 1: mom from our parents generation, meaning that she's the one

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Speaker 1: early and come home late, and you might see him

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Speaker 1: at dinner, but more likely maybe not, maybe not even

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Speaker 1: on the weekend. Uh, my dad is my mom passed

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Speaker 1: away last year? And where were she at the end?

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Speaker 1: And back where she was from Watertown Young It's no,

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Speaker 1: it's funny you say that. You said Watertown because my family,

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Speaker 1: my mother's family from Syracuse and we spent a lot

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Speaker 1: Selkirk Shores, Sandy Pond. My whole childhood was in that

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Speaker 1: early it's beautiful area anyway, Yeah, and so you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: did you rather take the other boys to the movies? Too?

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Speaker 1: Were just you? I mean later we all went with

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Speaker 1: not saying more than my brothers. You'd have to ask somebody.

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Speaker 1: That's my recollection. I mean, I think what I was

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Speaker 1: acting because she was. She was outgoing and very beautiful,

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Speaker 1: And Uh my first started out in called so what

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Speaker 1: have you been doing? Uh? What do you what do

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Who's who wrote the script? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just they just gave me four pages. It's just

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Speaker 1: I got like three lines. So what are you gonna

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna play it? I go, I don't

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Speaker 1: I got you know, who's the director? You know who's

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Speaker 1: because it's very irritating now, of course I realized she

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Speaker 1: really cared. One of the most enjoyable experiences I've had

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Speaker 1: in recent years. And then boom business was. There was

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Speaker 1: one year it's like this, as you know, it's a crapshoot,

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Speaker 1: the thing with awards and nominations, and then when you're

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Speaker 1: not meant it, well, this year they got it right.

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Speaker 1: This year's no I knew it was kind of yeah.

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Speaker 1: There was one year I got nominated for all the

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Speaker 1: Oscars and all those in one and uh so I

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Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a strike, so Golden Globes

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Speaker 1: coming up. I said that could be nice. I think

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Speaker 1: thought you'd never asked. I said, well, I've never been

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Speaker 1: or a pant suit or something. I said, well, whatever

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Speaker 1: she got her things. She flew down. At that point,

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Speaker 1: and we hung out and talked. She had lots of questions,

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Speaker 1: and then who else is nominated? And and then I

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Speaker 1: And he did that. She was like encyclopedia. And then

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Speaker 1: and uh, we walk in and then she's muttering, oh,

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Speaker 1: you did okay, except for that one lady, you seem

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Speaker 1: like you didn't like her. I said, well, the questions

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Speaker 1: of them. I'm like, yeah, okay. So we sit down

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Speaker 1: and then it is tables and uh, and she immediately goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: He was in this, and he was in that, in everything,

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Speaker 1: and MAT's John Travolta. I go, yes, it is. He goes,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, and she gets up and she goes and

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Speaker 1: just just talking to him, and she did that all night.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was great. It was it was a fantasy.

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Speaker 1: I loved it, and she loved it, and she she

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Speaker 1: had a really good time. And uh, they asked I

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Speaker 1: had been asked. I've never done this to present one

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'd rather just learn it. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you should read the things. I don't know what it

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Speaker 1: was best supporting actress, I think, And um, yeah, there

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Speaker 1: kind of outfit and they said, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: want it's time. We'll practice just before because it's an

426
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Speaker 1: arrow door and you put the actress on the stretcher,

427
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Speaker 1: then you you can't make like a full turn with

428
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Speaker 1: a stretcher and all I just have that in mind.

429
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, And then it was like hurry

430
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Speaker 1: up and wait. So I was down there in the

431
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Speaker 1: little cubicle that they put me in in my white outfit,

432
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Speaker 1: and my hair sort of slipped back a little bit,

433
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Speaker 1: and uh, I fell asleep, and all of a sudden

434
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Speaker 1: the bells ringing. It come on, where's Mortonton? And then

435
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Speaker 1: as we had to shoot, I didn't get to rehearse.

436
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on. So the guy goes, well,

437
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Speaker 1: you take the back end, always the ass end of

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Speaker 1: the stretcher and just follow where I go, Okay, I

439
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Speaker 1: go fine, fine on half asleep and um backing up,

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Speaker 1: I hit the set in the wall. It was it

441
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Speaker 1: was just terrible. I didn't get that call back to

442
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Speaker 1: that one. But Search for Tomorrow I had a good run.

443
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Speaker 1: I was on it for a few months and I

444
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Speaker 1: played a smuggler's kind of mysterious guys. I never find

445
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Speaker 1: out what I keep smuggling. I would ask, and it's

446
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Speaker 1: like too many questions. More what am I smuggling? It's

447
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Speaker 1: not it's contrabands, And I go, well, what what is

448
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: the drugs? Not important? You're just smuggling. The main thing

449
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Speaker 1: is you don't tell anybody. I said I won't and

450
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: they finally, I think got tired of my questions a

451
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: few months because I said, well, why is this? And

452
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Speaker 1: if I'm gonna you know, I had I was in

453
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Speaker 1: the hospital at one point and then I did the

454
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Speaker 1: thing when you tie the sheets together and climb out

455
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Speaker 1: the window, and uh, I don't know. I asked questions

456
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Speaker 1: about where'd all these sheets come from. I mean, it's

457
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Speaker 1: all lives on sheets to pull this off. This knot

458
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Speaker 1: is not strong around the ninth floor, yeah, I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: my only one sees that exactly. I said, these knots

460
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Speaker 1: are not strong enough. This is would never hold, you know.

461
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Speaker 1: And they're like, I just throw it out the window

462
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Speaker 1: and jump out yourself out the window. So after so

463
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Speaker 1: many questions, one day I was informed it's the end

464
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Speaker 1: for you. On Wednesday, I said, the end, the end?

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Speaker 1: What the end of your employment here? But it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a great scene. And I was a silly scene.

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Speaker 1: It was a bar and I was a girl that

468
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Speaker 1: hit me with a breakable glass a picture of beer

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Speaker 1: in the forehead and I fall out of shot and

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Speaker 1: that was it. And that was it for Vigo Mortenson's

471
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Speaker 1: soap opera career. Coming up, his film career explodes. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to the Here's the Thing Archives. I talked

473
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Speaker 1: with actresses like Debbie Reynolds who remembers living in Hollywood

474
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Speaker 1: during the Golden era. Right across the street was Jimmy

475
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Speaker 1: Stewart and Lucille Ball and everybody was on that one street.

476
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Speaker 1: It was like, let's have a party every night. Listen

477
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Speaker 1: to the full conversation at Here's the Thing Dot Org.

478
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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's

479
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Speaker 1: the Thing. Vigo Mortenson isn't just an award winning actor.

480
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Speaker 1: He is also an avid writer, artist and publisher. He

481
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Speaker 1: speaks fluent English, Danish, Spanish, and French. But his first

482
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Speaker 1: movie offer was a one day role as an Amish

483
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Speaker 1: farmer speaking German in Peter Weir's film Witness. He wasn't

484
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Speaker 1: sure if he should take it. On the very day

485
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Speaker 1: he was offered the role in Witness. That same day,

486
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Speaker 1: I was offered a part in a Shakespeare in the

487
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Speaker 1: Park production, and I said to my representative, well, obviously

488
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Speaker 1: do the play. I mean, I can work all summer

489
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Speaker 1: and learn stuff. He goes, not so fast. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, for an actor living in New York, and

491
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Speaker 1: you know in the early eighties it wasn't even now,

492
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Speaker 1: but especially then, you don't get that. It's not like

493
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Speaker 1: you had that many shots at being in movies. Um.

494
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Speaker 1: And you're certainly not going to be offered work by

495
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Speaker 1: Peter Weir very often. So take advantage. You can always

496
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Speaker 1: do a play or in New York. Um. So I

497
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Speaker 1: recommend you do that, even if it's only the one day.

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Speaker 1: So I go down. I take the train down to

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Speaker 1: to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and I do my first day's work

500
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Speaker 1: and as Luckward, it was very it was fun. It

501
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: was a beautiful place. And at lunch, Peter where It

502
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: comes over and says, you know, you have this big resemblance.

503
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, what are you doing tomorrow? I go,

504
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Speaker 1: I'm going taking the train back to New York. He goes,

505
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Speaker 1: are you doing anything this summer? The rest of the summer?

506
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Speaker 1: Going out now? And he says, uh, well, if you

507
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind staying, you know, for a few weeks maybe more. Um,

508
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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna give Alexander good enough, the Amish

509
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Speaker 1: suitor of Kelly McGillis Harrison Ford's rival for for her

510
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: affections in the story. We're gonna give him a younger brother,

511
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Speaker 1: and uh, you just tag along and the scenes he's in,

512
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: You're just watching this rivalry. You're the audience's eyes. I guess,

513
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: and we'll figure it out, okay, And I go sure.

514
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: So that was a good break and it was very professional.

515
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: They always finished on time. Uh, the weather was nice,

516
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: but the cinematographer was brilliant, John cele, the actors were prepared,

517
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and the director that nobody yelled. It was fun. Anybody

518
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: could go to watch the Russia's The dailies, So it

519
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: was misleading in it. It was misleading because everybody was

520
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: coming on and behaved well and kind to each other,

521
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: and they did good work and they finished on time

522
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Speaker 1: and it was not stressful. So I don't know about

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Speaker 1: your experience and my experience. That's very unus. A very

524
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Speaker 1: famous actor. I don't want to speak about anybody, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: without their permission, but told me that he did a

526
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Speaker 1: film that was very tough that way, and the director

527
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: was very very you know, just luxuriating in thirty five

528
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Speaker 1: and forty takes without any real director, you know, without

529
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Speaker 1: any real purpose, and kind of abusive to some of

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Speaker 1: the other cast at the very least psychologically, and the

531
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Speaker 1: way he would say things and do things, and it

532
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Speaker 1: was and it was all hum you know, not at

533
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Speaker 1: all what he was used to or preferred. And so

534
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: he just went up to the guy and and rather

535
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Speaker 1: than get angry, he just really said it, like as

536
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Speaker 1: a plea, he said, he said, I just can't work

537
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Speaker 1: like this, and if you want me to do what

538
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: I do, this situation has got to change. I like

539
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: to do sixth or eight takes, you like to do

540
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: thirty takes? Thirty five takes he said, I don't work

541
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Speaker 1: that way. So he said, let's I'm gonna go home

542
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Speaker 1: right and cut out this kind of dressing everybody down

543
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Speaker 1: in front of the crew and crew members. He said,

544
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Speaker 1: we want to speak to somebody, you give them their

545
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Speaker 1: notes privately, don't do it and embarrass them. So the

546
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Speaker 1: point is that the actor said to the director, you

547
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Speaker 1: you guys think about it, and he goes and I'm

548
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Speaker 1: gonna go home, and then tomorrow if I come back,

549
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Speaker 1: if you want me to come back, I'm gonna come

550
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Speaker 1: back knowing that it's different. And if I don't come back,

551
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna get another actor to play this part. Who's

552
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Speaker 1: gonna put up with when I'm putting up with now

553
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: that I don't want to put up with anymore. He

554
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: just said it really calmly, and what happened, and when

555
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: they the guy changed and just you know was everybody

556
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: was a little bit more. There were times you could

557
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Speaker 1: see the guy was struggling and he didn't change the nature,

558
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: had the power, had the position or the size role

559
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: that he could do that. If you're playing a bit parts,

560
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: you're done, you're out. You know. I think the main thing,

561
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: the most important thing to be apart from just listening. Uh.

562
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: In general, it's good in life too. But for an actor,

563
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: be flexible, you know, once you realize that there's all

564
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: kinds of ways of making movies good and bad, pleasant

565
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: and unpleasant. Um, that doesn't mean you can't do your job.

566
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's more difficult than others. But the best thing

567
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: is to be there's different ways of something like to her.

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Speaker 1: Some people don't. Some actors come in and some of

569
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Speaker 1: them are very good, award winning actors. It's a lobby name,

570
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: but they will. They can prepare technically, let's say, in

571
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Speaker 1: front of a mirror. Whatever they do. They know how

572
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna the tone line, they know at what moment

573
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Speaker 1: of the scene they're gonna cry or seem to or laugh.

574
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: It's all. There's nothing wrong with it. Um. But that

575
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Speaker 1: means that you're adapting to them, you know. I mean,

576
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Speaker 1: I've tried, but it doesn't you know, just for the

577
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: hell of and there's like they're just impassive because they

578
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Speaker 1: know one of the cameras on them. It doesn't matter

579
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Speaker 1: what the hell you're doing. If you're working that way,

580
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Speaker 1: it's this is what I'm delivering. You guys, adjust to

581
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Speaker 1: me that can work, and that person can do a

582
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: great job. It's just not as much fun because there

583
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Speaker 1: isn't the unknown. There isn't you're not playing together. It's

584
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Speaker 1: not a two way street. And um that works. Uh

585
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Speaker 1: So when you work with something like that, while you

586
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Speaker 1: just deal with it, if you get resentful, then you're

587
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: out of your game. It's like someone trying to psych

588
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: you out on the basketball court or you know, or

589
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: something you can't. If you let that happen, you're you're

590
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: not going to play. Well, what's the movie you did?

591
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: It's the opposite where everybody really really did playoff. It

592
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: was very crackling and very alive with I've been lucky,

593
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I've been in several I would say Captain fantastic this

594
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Speaker 1: movie that's just come out. Um, that was a great

595
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: experience that the director was calmed. That was very much

596
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: like Peter Ware or like Cronenberg, where everything's done, everybody's

597
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: well prepared, everybody's polite to each other. The director has

598
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: a good sense of humor. Um, they're intelligent enough to

599
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: know that it's good to do everything possible to give

600
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: the actors the idea it's a lie, basically, but to

601
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: give the actor of the idea that there's especially when

602
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: you're working with children. In this movie, you have six

603
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: kids that there's you have all the time in the world.

604
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's just there's no pressure and inside

605
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: the directors like freaking out as the son's going down

606
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: and you're an independent movie, have limited budget. It was

607
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: thirty something days thirty it's not bad. But when you

608
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: look at Captain Fantastic, we had a lot of changes

609
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: of locations and all these and some of the kids

610
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: are I mean the kids have limited work hours five

611
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: six hours for the youngest, and it's a longer in

612
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: indie terms. Everybody was you could kind of wrap wrap

613
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: it up in an hour and thirty now you know

614
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: what I mean exactly. And um, so that was a

615
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: good experience. And I mean he he's the captain, He

616
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: or she runs the show and they their example is

617
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: what what guides everyone else? Katherine Hans, Steve's on, very

618
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: good actors, Um, Frank Lan Jela and Doubt, I mean everybody.

619
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Speaker 1: And it was a great group of people, and I

620
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: think Matt selected people who would work that way. I

621
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: was so hoping that there would be an earthquake and

622
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: a beam would come down to crushed lan Jelous character.

623
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Speaker 1: I hated him so much in the movie. Yeah, but

624
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: at the end you kind of realized he's got a point.

625
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's not all wrong. I mean yeah, one

626
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: of the I mean, one of the things I like

627
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: about the movie is that it it surprises you, it

628
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: subverts your expectations. Just like when I was reading the script,

629
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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, this is good. I have my pencil

630
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: because I know the director want to meet me, so

631
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to make my notes, so, you know, and

632
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: I didn't make any notes. I just started reading, and

633
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the first ten fifteen pages I thought, Okay, I know

634
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: where this is. What this is. It's a kind of

635
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: a sub genre. It's a I guess, liberal utopian fantasy

636
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: story where these are our heroes, are these left wing

637
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: off the good people and their obstacles will be conservative people,

638
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: conservative ideas, and we'll go with them through thick and thin,

639
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: and see how that works. Will probably be funny, and

640
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: convention will be there, right and and then I realized

641
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: it's not that. And you go from thinking was the

642
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: best dad in the world, I feel like a lazy

643
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: bumb you know, watching this family. They're so driven to

644
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, per to achieve physical and intellectual excellence every

645
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: second of the day. It's incredibly devoted father to thinking

646
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: he's a maniac, he's a menace to his children, dangerous,

647
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: and he's you know, the very rigidity that he's so against,

648
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: he's engaging in it inadvertently maybe by being isolating them

649
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: and being so rigorous. And then the characters that you

650
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: think are gonna be you know, like Frank Langelo's character

651
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: and his wife and out, you think they're gonna be

652
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: just bad and so of one note and and in

653
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: reality there they have a point. They and his children

654
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: and circumstances lead the character that I played to to

655
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: realize I'm on the wrong path. And it's it's devastating

656
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: when you, as a parent do what he does. If

657
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: if you give a hundred percent of your time and energy,

658
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: you do everything to to help, you know, curate the

659
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: lives of your your children, to give them best possible start.

660
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: You you're sacrificing everything, and your first impulse is to

661
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: feel like it's all wrong. I'm an idiot, and I

662
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: quit and and then he makes an adjustment. And as

663
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: an audience, I like those stories. Just reading I thought

664
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Speaker 1: this is really good. I was really surprised that closed

665
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: the script and that's amazing. I've made a single note.

666
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: I want to meet Matt Ross, the writer director, for

667
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee which lasted like four and a

668
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: half hour, talking about being dad everything. You know, politics

669
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: and you are a dad. You have a twenty eight

670
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: year old son, son where he's in Los Angeles? What

671
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: does he do? A musician? He's a writer and he

672
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: also works part time personal press or company publishing house.

673
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: I have that you have? Yeah? Oh cool? You know,

674
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: when I saw the film, it just reminded me that

675
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I have a daughter who's going to be twenty one

676
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: in October, and and I was not involved in raising

677
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: her as much as I'd like to because I was

678
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: divorced and everything and it was a little complicated. But um,

679
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: and when I watched the film, I realized that, well,

680
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: here's the guy that really wants to raise his kids himself.

681
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: And what I realized watching You is that, yeah, we

682
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: don't raise our children, and we try, we really try.

683
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: We try so hard to superimpose our sensibilities. And here's

684
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: a guy who he really wants to be their father

685
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: in the sense that he's going to determine what gets

686
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: put into the mix and what doesn't. And in the

687
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: world we live in now, especially now, I mean right now,

688
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: that's impossible. How much do we actually raise our children's

689
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: almost ridiculously small technology the world? Yeah, well, I mean

690
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: the meaning I got from the story too, when I

691
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: got from the script, is that it's aspirational. That really

692
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: it's basically to be the perfect parent is impossible, And

693
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: the story isn't showing you something to make you think

694
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: what you should be There hunter percent of time it's

695
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: just whether you're engaged or not. And to know that

696
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: by taking the risk of trying hard, you're gonna make mistakes.

697
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: And then the most important thing is is hopefully realizing

698
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: that and doing something about it and making adjustments. You know,

699
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: being a good dad isn't a static thing. Having a

700
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: good marriage is an a static thing. Neither is a democracy,

701
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: neither is a friendship. You know, tomorrow morning you gotta

702
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: sort of start over, not over, but continue the process

703
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: and make adjustments. And if you don't, it's a game

704
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: that moves as you play, and if you don't move,

705
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: you can't play very well. So scripts for you, how

706
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: does scripts get to you? Was there a mechanism, But

707
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I think people would be fascinated to know someone who

708
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: has made as many successful films, highly successful films as

709
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: you've had. You're very admired by everybody in the business,

710
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: and you must get inundated with scripts. And is there

711
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: a filter like how do you get a script and say,

712
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: the one you open and the one you read, how

713
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: does it arrive at your home? Well, in that regard,

714
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't like filters at all, and my representative I

715
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: was always known that. So I said, I'll read. I

716
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: will read everything and anything and don't sense or don't

717
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: just send it and read whatever you want to. Um,

718
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: I don't care, but I'm gonna decide if I want

719
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: to do it or not. And sometimes you read and

720
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: most I mean, I think it's been since movies began

721
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: as an art form. Percent or more of things the

722
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: scripts that are written are not original or if they

723
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: start well or maybe there's an okay, con said, it's

724
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: just the structure. It just doesn't work. And most of

725
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: them are really poorly written, not very good ideas. So

726
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: but it does take longer to just to look at everything.

727
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: And so that's a conventional way they come through you know,

728
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: an agent sometimes, but a lot of times people will

729
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: hand me stuff on the street or through a family member,

730
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: and you know, you've probably you know, if somebody said,

731
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: what would you look at this? Or you're going to

732
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: try to avoid it if I can. I know, you're

733
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: going to open the opening of a movie and you're

734
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: doing anything and suddenly goes here and he handed a package,

735
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I will look at him and

736
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: I will answer. But it's also like, what the publishing

737
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: house I have? You know, I've announced it. We're not

738
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: taking unsolicited submissions for the for the foreseeable future. We

739
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: have enough projects in the hopper to work on. Why

740
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: did you set up a publishing house? I like books,

741
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: and I like artists. I like writers, and there were

742
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: certain people that I saw ought to be published after

743
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, for me and for what else.

744
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: All of a sudden there was this new I had

745
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: more options as an actor suddenly. I mean people have

746
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: the mistaken impression that as an actor you can choose, Well,

747
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: why didn't you do that? So they enough for Tony

748
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: you can say no, but you can't say yes. They're

749
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: offering it. But people thinking James Bond I'm like, I've

750
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: never heard from the James Bond people and so so um.

751
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, I'll use the money and more

752
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: than that, the notoriety that I suddenly have as a

753
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: result of the success of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

754
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I'll established this publishing house and to help it the

755
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: first year, I'll put out a book maybe two of

756
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: my own photographs, things, poems, and then that will lead

757
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: them to the other things on the website. And I

758
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I think it must be like directing. I

759
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: suppose in the sense that you're enabling other people. You're

760
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you're facilitating their their way of looking things. I'm curious

761
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: as to, uh, you do um Carlito with Brian who

762
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: I love, and you do g I Jane, you do

763
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: the Psycho remake, You do a bunch of things when

764
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: you arrive where it's Peter Jackson directed the first film

765
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: as well, right, And when Jackson contect you, where are

766
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: you out in your career? At that point, we're on

767
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: the threshold of doing the biggest movies you've ever made.

768
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: It's I had just finished my hand movie that ended

769
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: up being called Twenty eight Days, and I had driven

770
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: I bought a pickup truck, and I had driven across

771
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: the country with my son, who was eleven at the time.

772
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: We had this great road trip where he made a map.

773
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: He drew a map in the United States, and he said,

774
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: I said, well, let's decide the route rather than going

775
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: straight across the country to California, where we were living

776
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: at the time, I said, what places should we go?

777
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I said, well, how about grace Land, Okay, we made

778
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: that dot on the map, and then how about where

779
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Mom's families from Michael. That would be near Chicago. And

780
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: then well how about you know uncle Michael, because that's Tucson, Okay,

781
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: And how about this, and how about Yeah, So there

782
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: was all these places all over so we did. I said, well,

783
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: this is what the line looks like. It's like this

784
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: stock exactly crashing, falling, going up and down north south,

785
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: north south, but always sort of more or less working westward.

786
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: And we got back from that school starts and I

787
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: was up in Idaho actually when I got this phone

788
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: call and uh, somebody said, we would like you to

789
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: come and do this movie. And I so I just

790
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: got back when my son and school started, and I

791
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: haven't I don't haven't read that book. I don't know

792
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: anything about it, and you're guys are already shooting it

793
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: was to replace an actor, which was also an awkward thing,

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: and um who was deemed to be too young for

795
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: the role, and I should I don't know. My son

796
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: heard me talking about it and he he said, the

797
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings knew what it was from his

798
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: friends and he dream and I'd read The Hobbit years

799
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: before in high school, but I didn't know anything. But

800
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Lord Rings, I I just knew it was this big,

801
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: huge book. And he said, what's the character? And I go,

802
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: that's the guy I don't have some guys in the

803
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: woods and he's got you know, some little people and

804
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: he's guiding around and he know that's a strider. I

805
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah right, and he goes and he becomes

806
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: the king. I go, he does? He goes, yeah your yeah,

807
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: And I go, you should do that. I got, well,

808
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: but it's a long you know, I don't haven't read it,

809
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: and they've been rehearsing for months and all the stuff

810
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: from Elvish and sword play and whatnot. I don't think

811
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: it's it's just sometimes you gotta admit you're not the writer.

812
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: Guy for the job. Whatever this I don't know. So

813
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: I hung up, But I thought about it, and he

814
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: was very for it. Maybe I would have done it

815
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: on my own anyway, but I was curious, and also

816
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: on the phone, They're going, it'd be easy, you know,

817
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you will be done by December. Here it's October.

818
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: I go, that's good. December of next year. Actually, I'm

819
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: like it, so so I said. I eventually said yes,

820
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: and that's how that worked out. It was great. That

821
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: was a good experience. I really like that. I was

822
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: there's something I was thinking about earlier that yesterday. I

823
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: did this, uh, sort of like a public forum R

824
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: time some where you're speaking in from an audio. Been

825
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: asked exactly, and they asked me a question. I was

826
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: curious how you felt? Was? They said? Do you feel

827
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: that the movies you do or choose to do or

828
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: accept that they need to be about something in terms socially?

829
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: Do they have to be for the better good or

830
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: they have to promote you know, I suppose politically or

831
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: ideologically something positive in your opinion, I said, I thought

832
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: about I said, no, I don't think that I find

833
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: movies that are message movies to not be very effective

834
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: dramas or comedies or anything. They're just not interesting to me.

835
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Movies like Captain Fantastic right, the movies that actually indirectly

836
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: without intending to make you think about communication problems, which

837
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: we have many in this country right now. That's great

838
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: because you're thinking you can apply it. Okay, Well, people

839
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: aren't talking, and if you don't talk and you're isolated

840
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: in your groups because of ideology, race, whatever, it's a problem.

841
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: You gotta talk, you gotta work it out. You're gonna

842
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: have to be flexible. Uh, that's how I like it.

843
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: But I don't message movies. No, I said, um, but

844
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: what I was thinking and the subject went onto something else.

845
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: What I I would have said, if we talked about

846
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Speaker 1: it further, was that you know, I've I've heard the

847
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: thing that you've probably heard before. When you're an actor,

848
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: when did you keep your masha? What do you know?

849
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: I said, Well, why doesn't a football player or an actor,

850
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: or a dentist or anybody and any part of the

851
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: country have a right to say anything it's supposed to be?

852
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, if you you can't expect your politicians to

853
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: have a civil discourse, informed discourse, to be honest and

854
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: to communicate better across the aisle or or with citizens.

855
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: If you don't do it, example has to come from below,

856
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: not from from above. Now, Um, it's interesting to me

857
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: when I think about you, is you know you're this

858
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: very chiseled leading man and you've got this warmth and

859
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: this passion, this beauty to you in the current film

860
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: and Captain Fantastic, but in other films, you know, you're

861
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: this anxiety is tough. History of Violence was a tough movie.

862
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: And um, do you find when you make a film

863
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: like that is some kind of a state you have

864
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: to enter to play one or the other? Do you

865
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: have to empty yourself out and get into the beauty

866
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: zone and the love zone to do Captain Fantastic? And

867
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: you need to drink nineteen espressos and be in your

868
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: room watching Scarface on DVD when you step off to

869
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: go shoot people in the movie. I mean, I you

870
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: know the other question that's sort of like that that

871
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: people say, well, what happens? How do you get rid

872
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: of the character? You know when you go home at

873
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: night or when you're done shooting. And I'm the opposite,

874
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: how do you get into the character? I mean, my

875
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: job as I see it is, I gotta take on

876
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: the point of view, understand it and like it, believe

877
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: in the point of view of a character and playing

878
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: And I've played some characters that I wouldn't want to

879
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: meet on the street, but and that I disagree with

880
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: their point of view personally. But my job is to

881
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: get into it. It's kind of the make believe that

882
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: you do without even thinking as a child, but as

883
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: an adult you have to work at it. And I

884
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: find that endlessly interesting. It's like traveling mentally in your imagination.

885
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: So and getting into it, yeah, I mean, I naturally gravitate,

886
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: and I when I played Sigmund Freud and a dangerous method.

887
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: But I just read everything that I had read of

888
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: his and everything I hadn't read, essays and things about him, biographies,

889
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: And I went to Vienna and I spent some time

890
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: walking around. I went to places he was meant to

891
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: have walked to all the time, cafes I went to.

892
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I found books that I knew from research that he

893
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: had in his library. I found addition, you know, it's

894
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: just a whole and maybe none of that has ever

895
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: seen in the movie, but for me it makes me

896
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: feel like I've turned over stone and in the process

897
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: of this, this sack that I feel with all these

898
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: odd things, you never know what they are, even objects

899
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: that maybe get used in the movie, learning how he's

900
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: trying to copy his handwriting, all these things that you

901
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: don't really have to do. But it's my getting ready.

902
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: It's a fun part. And if I'm playing a dark

903
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of character, like you said, I take an interest,

904
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: I might try to meet people like that or go

905
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: to places they'd go to and just naturally not trying to.

906
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: You couldn't get into a mindset. That doesn't mean that

907
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and shoot somebody, yeah, or punch

908
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: some pregnant woman in the belly or something, you know,

909
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: just for fun. You know. I'm just I've actually did

910
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: that in the movie Pregnant woman in the belly in

911
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: the movie, and found out she was speaking well, she

912
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: had a fake foam pattern. She was pretending to be pregnant,

913
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: which is why I kicked her. I knew, I knew

914
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: she was faking. Oh my god, it must have been

915
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: a horrible moment. It was a horrible moment of the

916
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I hated doing it, but my character could see through.

917
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: He could tell she wasn't really pregnant by the way

918
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: she was faking in this movie. But away, So, the

919
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: last thing I want to say to you is what

920
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: someone I admire Cronenberg endlessly. I love his films. He's

921
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: such a great, great movie maker, and I love, uh

922
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: those three films, and two in particular really be I mean,

923
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: just a history of violence. It was just such a

924
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: such an incredibly gripping movie, and ed and Hurt and

925
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: all these real and guys that are really just these

926
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: very people. You can't take their eyes. The three of

927
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: you together, it was like this Mount Rushmore. And he's

928
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: really really interesting guys in movies. And um, what does

929
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: he do for you? What's something you like about Cronenberg?

930
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: And how does he help you as a director when

931
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: you work with somebody like that. Well, he's not a

932
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: director that next to rehearse, but he's very careful and

933
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: very good at casting. Um, he's open to anybody's ideas.

934
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: He's a saying, mature, sensible director. Um. So we developed

935
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: a shorthand right away and share kind of I think

936
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: it's a similar of humor, similar interest in literature and movies.

937
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: And we didn't need to talk much about you know

938
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: I would do a take and he might say I'm

939
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: happy if you aren't doing another one. I say, yeah,

940
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'll do a lot of takes.

941
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: I like it. But if that's another thing about being flexible.

942
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: Some directors, some schedules only allow for a take or two.

943
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: And what I've quickly realized with him is that, you know,

944
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: let's say, in that character history of violence, it's very subtle.

945
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Some of the transitions were because he's pretending to be

946
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: someone else for years, so much so that he almost

947
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: believes it. And so there's almost a sorta schizophrenic situation

948
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: he has. And it's not a clean he doesn't suddenly

949
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: go from one guy don another. There's some little back

950
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: and forth. You know, he's on the edge of that,

951
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: and some of that's very subtle, and it's mostly non verbal,

952
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: when he's just a look in the eye or just

953
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: a glance and he's like, oh, he's becoming that other character,

954
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: is peaking through that other person his real self or

955
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: one of his real selves. And you know, I realized

956
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: right away, like I did the thing I said, well,

957
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't. I didn't. It's not something said

958
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I just he goes Now. I saw it. I thought,

959
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: so you need a director who sees the thing, know

960
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: how to read you. Yeah, and all of you know,

961
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: and takes care of it in the editing room. Um

962
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: So when he said I was do Eastern Promises, I thought,

963
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: sure it would be great. I was doubtful about the

964
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: third one. He said, Siegmund Freud. I said, that's a stretch.

965
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think any other director would have

966
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: said play that. But it's him. So in the end, well,

967
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: he hasn't steered me wrong so far. I want to

968
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: finish by saying, you've played a lot of great roles

969
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: as a result of your looks, and you know, masculinity

970
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: and intensity, not just you know, your fear physical features,

971
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: but your whole essence. And but to be on film

972
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: and just exist on film and to respond and this

973
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: film really breathes. This movie is beautiful and breathe. The

974
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: moment for me, and I'm not even assuming this is

975
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: was there for you, but the moment I thought, said

976
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: Langella at one point in the film, two thirds into

977
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the film, where he's just like suggesting you're crazy, You're nuts.

978
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: And what I loved about you was that you really

979
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: what I got from you was you were like, maybe

980
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: I am You sat there and go, oh my god,

981
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: maybe I am crazy, And that was one of the

982
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: most beautiful moments in the movie, that little interlude was saying,

983
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: oh God, maybe they're right. Yeah, maybe I am crazy,

984
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm mentally ill. I love I love characters that

985
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: that take you on that journey, and I love movies that,

986
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: as an audience mean you're sitting here and then they

987
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: really make you think I'm doing it wrong. I mean

988
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: as a dad or just as a human better all wrong.

989
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm lazy, I don't I've treated people. I gotta call

990
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: my mom right away or I guys can talk to

991
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: my chill learner. I've got to make up for that

992
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: thing I did. Or why did I choose this profession?

993
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: Why what's wrong with me? I'm so lacking in and

994
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: integrity and effort and commitment. And you know, movies that

995
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: make you doubt everything, make you wake up and think

996
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: everything I've done is wrong, even for a moment, then

997
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of course you have to hopefully you can get it

998
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: together and to make some adjustments. That's that's a great

999
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: service that a movie story can do for you. I

1000
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: watched a screening of Captain Fantastic and I encourage you

1001
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: to see it too. It's playing in theaters now. This

1002
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's the Thing,

1003
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: M