WEBVTT - Mick Shots: A Round Tripper 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.320 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:13.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is mick 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.560 Shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot com and the 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:22.840 official Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:31.080 and Nicky Spagnola. It's ten am on a Thursday here 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.200 at the Star in Fresco. And you know what that means. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.720 It's an hour and a half away from mix shots. No, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.000 it is an early edition of mix shots here inside 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.760 the SWBC podcast studio because this is an OTA open 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.640 to the media Thursday, and so that's why we're coming 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.880 at you earlier than usual. Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:00.040 the star of the show show. Oh my god, have 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.280 you ever been introduced the star of the show? The 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:13.080 headline shocking. My headphones are cracking up. Oh I love that. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.560 very good. There. It looks like you're going to be 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.760 outdoors today, yes, on a what will be a It 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.399 will be a it's a first alert weather day tomorrow. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.440 It's gonna get so hot here in North Texas. I 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.200 see triple digits, I think so. And it feels like 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.360 temperature up around one hundred and six of the afternoon tomorrow. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.120 So they're finishing. That's the heathen decks, I think so. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.320 I think that's so they're finishing this OTA session just 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.280 in time. That's right. It's only supposed to be like 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.080 ninety three maybe today. Okay, there you yeah, but that 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.320 we're talking heathen decks. That's a whole. It feels great 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:55.160 out there right now. Yeah, I'm looking at a hundred. Yeah, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.640 hundred Sunday. Welcome to Texas in June. Welcome to the 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:06.880 Old Folks podcast. Yeah, talk about Okay, speaking of the weather, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.320 it is just in time because the high today's ninety two. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.400 The high tomorrow is one hundred and one. Saturday one 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.320 o two, Sunday one o two, Monday one hundred. I'm 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.440 getting to the minicamp next week, okay, highs of ninety nine, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.640 ninety seven, and ninety six. Getting ready for Austin and 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.280 training camp. They might be going indoors. They might be. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.520 And by the way, they do have a yeah, there 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.160 isn't that's right. There is an OTA tomorrow and so 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.839 that's the way the the heat is coming. But we're 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.520 not out there tomorrow, so that doesn't count. So we 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.960 can't meet tomorrow if we wanted to. Oh, I didn't 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.800 think there was tomorrow. There there is an number eight 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:52.200 Chris set up with Nick. No cannot go with You're 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.160 already attended one. You weren't supposed to be at. No. Right, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.800 he walks out. He gets special privilege. He acted like 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.799 he set some sort of person wall franchise record or 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.639 some Yeah, so he's got he's got those special problems 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.120 taking of Trey Von digs Um. So they had the 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.320 home run derby and uh, he said he They asked 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.440 him whence the last time he swung a bat, and 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.800 he said, never, I go to beat never. It's like 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.639 he said, he never played baseball, never played baseball. And 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.280 so the first time up, yeah, he was like missing 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.040 the ball. Very second time up he started hitting the 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.360 ball over the faux fence for home runs, right, And 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.080 it's like, God, I wish I was that kind of guy, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.320 just that guy never done this before. Don't and then 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.000 don't even get me started on Michael Parsons. Yeah, that's 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:48.440 right on four hundred, like out of the park. Here's 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.080 what happened, Everson. He gets there and uh, they take 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.800 some batting they had, they had bats for them at 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.560 batting practice whatever. He didn't like the feel of the bat, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.640 so he went out. He's senting somebody. Well, yeah, he's 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.920 sent somebody to get him a five hundred dollar bat. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.200 He told the guy whoever was going to do it, 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.880 go to Dicks and get the best give me, give 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.719 me the best bat they have. And he found a 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.960 five hundred dollars bat, right. And then he gets up 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 there and he hadn't played. He said he used to 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.680 play baseball, but when he got to high school it 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:30.080 was football and tracks. He didn't play baseball. Not only 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.640 did he hit it over the makeshift fence for home runs, 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.120 so probably two twenty five to fifty something like that, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.560 he hit it over the wall, right, and then he 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.400 hit it out of the park. And where is this? 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:57.240 This is? And what people, the amazing thing is is 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.400 no one's throwing ninety five miles an hour. Right. You 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.360 got to supply the power yourself when they're throwing a 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.360 BP live at your right. And he not only is 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.159 he stepping into it, he's stepping in with both feet 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:17.200 like he's moving his back foot forward a happy Gilmore, Yes, exactly. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.320 And he I told something that I said, I wish 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.680 I knew his exit velocity. You know how they have 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.960 an exit velocity? Now off the bat up and it's 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:32.880 like he hit a combination the first time up to 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.680 get ten outs. Right, if you don't get the ball 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.960 out of the infield or you miss or file, it's 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.760 an out. Right. He hit eight home runs and four 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.720 of them cleared the real fence, and I'm sitting there 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.760 going are you using? So did he did he like? 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.000 Did he like you know, like the happy gif? Did 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.559 he like skip to it? You know? He ran into 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.560 a couple? He did, And then when he hit it 0:05:55.560 --> 0:06:00.000 out of the park, he read her out the basis 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.520 he had and then he was gonna do it again, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.039 and Dak was like, no, no, no, you we got 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.640 time here. You got to hit right and uh. And 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.520 so when it's over, he ended up with the most 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.840 home runs, uh thirteen, except he finished in third place. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.320 But he finished in third place because of the money. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:30.480 So Layton Vanderish on the money ball on the last 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.719 that's like Josh Hamilton put on this great home run 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.680 derby exhibition, but people don't remember he didn't win it. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.680 And so the last ball was worth four thousand dollars 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.559 for donations, right, and vander Ish hit that. So vander 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.520 Ish ended up with like seventeen thousand, and Micah ended 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:54.599 up with thirteen. But but so as story now, so 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:59.440 as the story goes, when Mica said, oh, I can 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.800 hit the ball all out of the park and all 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.960 the and um who was saying it, Trey von no 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.840 No CD said, he goes, all the vets were like, 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.520 you can't do that. You're not going to hit it 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.960 over the wall. And he goes, yes, I will. You 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.640 want to bet? So they all start betting, right and 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.240 CD said the only people that were on his side 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.040 was me and Trey. He goes, we thought he could 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.800 do it. Yeah, he did it right, he did. He 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.080 said he made eight thousand dollars. How damn they did? 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.280 They doubt this guy. I would never doubt Michael Passes 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.280 if he said he's gonna do so. When he did 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.320 his interview, he goes, he goes, just to show you 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.880 what a competitor guy on. He goes, I wanted to win, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:42.600 so I was going to get a good bat if 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.560 it meant spending five hundred dollars. I have a feeling 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.800 he did not need the good bat, right, Yeah, he 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.000 could have done it. Without the good bad And so 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.000 somebody said, did you let other people use it? And 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.640 he goes, well, yeah, sure. It's like, well it wasn't 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.680 the bat, and it wasn't it was the guy and 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.120 I wrote about it for this morning. It's like he 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.280 just puts a smile on your face. You know, everything 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.960 he does, everything he says, he just puts a smile 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.040 on your face. Well, I tell a smile like it 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.880 on my faces every time I think about him going 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.000 out to do the drop the hockey thing. And he 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.600 just went out and dropped it. He's so cute. He 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.600 was so cute. He's just like, hey, there you go. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.240 He said. So I didn't realize this. Evidently he did 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.240 some sort of charity thing in Philadelphia and they did 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.800 it with a softball, and he hit it four hundred 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.679 feet the softball, And he said, I told these guys, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.199 I said, come on, I hit a softball four hundred feet. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.640 This is a baseball. It's gonna go further. Sure enough, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:47.520 he hit one four hundred feet. Unbelievable. But they raised 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.600 a heck of a lot of money for Salvation Army. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.880 Anthony Brown finished second, by the way, and the first 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.400 time up he couldn't hit. He just couldn't see. If 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.200 you don't take batting, you don't hit, it's hard to 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.920 you know. His second time around, all of a sudden 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.640 he starts stroking the ball at Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.360 So anyway, it was a good time. Uh and uh, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.880 That's what I came away with though from that is 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.600 again it I want Michael Parsons in my room, right, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.800 I want Michael Parsons whatever. I don't care what we're doing, right, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.520 I'm picking him. So, you know what, it reminded me 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.760 of when he was young. The first time somebody took 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.480 him to go bowling, and he wasn't very good at it, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.280 he said, so he went and bought a ball. He 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.599 bought himself his own ball and went out there and 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.559 was going to start practic because he lost to somebody. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.680 And he said, the guy at the bowling alley goes, okay, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.440 let me give you a few tips. So the guy 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.400 gave him a few tips. He bought his ball, and 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.800 all of a sudden, he's he's he's the best blood. Yeah, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.280 you know, and the other thing it reminded me of, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.800 and Bill might remember that, you guys might remember this 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.400 when they had the first NBA All Star Game here 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.439 in Dallas nineteen eighty six. That was the first year 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.520 they had the three point shooting contests and the dunk contest. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.520 Spud Webb ended up winning it. Well, the three point 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.360 shooting contest. Larry Bird was one of the guys and 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.440 I was covering this, so uh, he goes into the 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.880 locker room and all the guys in there are going 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.959 to shoot threes, are all in there, and he walks in. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.080 He goes, well, he goes, we know who's winning this, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.960 So I'm just looking to see who's second. That's what 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:34.520 he said. He who was getting second? Yeah, getting second? 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.000 And he won with the little broken finger, the little 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.480 crooked finger when he put that one up there. That 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.840 was the last shot, right, and that was the moneyball, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.040 and he had a little broken finger, and they got up, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.240 they got into the final, he took his sweats off, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.560 they got into the final round. He made it to 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.600 the finals with Craig Hodges, right. He buried twenty two 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:57.440 threes in the final round to win it. So it 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.640 reminded me of that. Well, all right, that's it's great 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.600 because we're talking about Michael. I want Michael on my team. Okay, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.319 I want Larry Bird on my team. Kay. Magic Johnson 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.120 was another one, like, yes, I mean that's just uh. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.240 With the NBA Finals going on. You know, Magic's rookie year, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:21.040 he's twenty years old. It's Game six of the NBA Finals. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.680 In Game five, Koreem had scored forty points and he 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.920 sprains his ankle. And here's a twenty year old rookie 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.000 who said, and they're going to Philadelphia playing Doctor Jay 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.880 Darryl Dawkins and the Sixers in Game six of the 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.360 NBA Finals, we need a center, Magic, And so Magic 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.280 he plays center, and he scores forty two points with 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.800 fifteen rebounds. But he went on that court knowing he's 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.640 gonna win this basketball game. Yeah, Larry at home waiting, Okay, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.240 we're gonna be in the K seven. May let me 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.760 get ready. Yeah, I'll take these. Michael shows up at 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.760 a pole run derby. He knows he's gonna win that 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.520 home run. I mean those are Reggie Jackson in baseball. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.800 When he walked on the field, he knew he was 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.720 gonna win that. You know, he's gonna hit three home 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.160 runs in the World Series game and whatever. Not surprised 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.680 at all when he did it right. Yeah, and so 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.920 so all those Cowboys teams that you played on, Okay, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.240 who was the guy like that? That was the guy 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.240 that Okay, we got this guy on our team. We 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.360 we got it. Throw a set. Only throw a set, man, 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.120 I mean we we we forget about do us set, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.880 and we forget about how small he was. Ron used 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.400 to tease him. He was barely five nine. At all times. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.440 He always tried to make himself bigger and heavier. He 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.400 wore every pad that they that known to the NFL, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.400 and he still had the speed from from from standing 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.360 still to the first step. He had to be the 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.439 fastest because when you see him run, you always see people. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.320 It's like so many people in his wake, you know, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.640 because they think they have the angle, and not many 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.000 guys can out run an angle. That's how I'm making 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.920 my living is it is catching guys on an angle. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.400 It wasn't the speed. It was I anticipated the angle 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.920 and I'm gonna meet him up there, and they thought 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.280 they were doing the same thing, and he just out 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.440 runs the angle. You know, to see that over and 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.079 over again. He was He was my Lebron, He was 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.320 my Jordan. He was my guy you just look forward 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.920 to it. There was a guy in and at least 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.040 one season in college who is that same type guy 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.160 playing a different position. That was Vince Young at Texas. Yeah, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.040 you know where where. Okay, it didn't matter whether they 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.920 fell behind Oklahoma State thirty to nothing in the first half. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.439 They were gonna come back in that game. And it's 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.959 gonna be Vince Young, you know, taking off, you know, 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.959 dropped back the pass and then just taking off the 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.400 gun off and then they're in the National Championship game 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.000 and it comes down to the last play of the 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:50.480 game and he just knew. Everybody in the building knew that. Okay, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.760 he's gonna drop back and then he's gonna take off 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.160 and there's nobody's gonna catch him. They touch him. But 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.640 that same air about him that Michael Parsons had it 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.920 the whole un der that I'm gonna win this. Yeah, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.560 you know he was. He is amazing and he's and 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.520 he and then when he verbalizes it, right, it even 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.959 makes you laugh even more. Right, it's like does he 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:18.480 think of this stuff ahead? Right? You don't like the analysis? Yes, yeah, Like, okay, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.960 well I'm supposed to do that. I'm gonna hit home runs, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.200 and by god he did. It was amazing. But when 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.640 you think about guys like Parson to be around that 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.720 kind of you know, greatness. First of all, you around 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.080 a lot of great athletes here and players that are 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.600 extremely accomplished, whether it's here and early on. But like 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.400 I said, to know that you can you know that 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.680 this is gonna happen. It's inevitable, this is gonna happening. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.960 That's gonna break it. I don't care how many times 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.280 you bottle them up. You got to do it every time. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.840 And he really never bottled them up every time. Eventually 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.320 he's gonna hit it. And it's so funny Tom look 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.680 forward to that. That's how he coached the game. Just 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.880 let do us said, get it. Once he gets it, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.640 then we're gonna take over the momentum of the game. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.400 And it usually happened just like you know, and and 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.080 the doorset thing. And if people don't understand what we're 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.520 talking about, just go call up his highlights and and 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.720 it reminded me every time when I see his highlights 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.320 how fast he was, like instantly, but it wasn't just speed. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.960 He couldn't maneuver as well, but he was fast and 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.720 and and and it wasn't like he needed ten yards 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.240 to get God did not. It was like instant, he didn't. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.680 I was like pushing the button on the game right, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.000 that's what's guided that zero to one hundred boom. He's 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.240 already there. I'm like, wow, I just us sit on 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.480 the sidelize that good. Now I'm glad to get some 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.720 picks now because they're desperate. Didn't know that Dost's gonna 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.720 break another one, So now we have to keep up 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.960 with that offense. And man, that's when Vandy's coming. Harvey's coming, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.480 and it's coming. Now we'll have to feast in the back. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.000 It was all perfect. I saw a guy like that 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.880 in high school. You guys might you might remember Gary 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.800 Anderson Plain back when he was in high school Columbia, Missouri. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:07.080 I heard he, you know, football, basketball. First time I 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.200 saw a guy, you know, he did not know where 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.840 the good basketball play. He let he first guy I 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.040 saw leave the free throw line and dunk right. He 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:22.720 took off from their track hundred two hundred long jump relays, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.360 and maybe his best event was the four hundred. He 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:34.920 hated because you got to practice, so so the track 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.440 coach it was at Hitman High Track. Coach tot them 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:39.880 and they were in the regional and they need to 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.280 get more guys qualified for state, and he told them, Okay, 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.960 I won't let I won't make you run the four 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.160 hundred through the whole season, but when we get to 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.480 regionals and we need to qualify for state, I want 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.920 you to run the four hundred. So that year, it 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.080 was his senior year, hadn't run the four hundred all year. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.080 He ran to four hundred, won the darn thing. And 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.680 that's like, have you ever run a four hundred before 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.400 to understand how hard that is? It's a sprint? And 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.520 his his yes, he just he was so athletic. It's 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.280 like he was just the stallion, you know. The way 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.200 he ran his it was his legs were never behind him, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.320 his knees were always in front. Yeah. Yeah, that's when 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.959 he just ran like man, he just ran like he 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.600 was the win. And he went to Arkansas and had 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.040 one heck of a career and the Chargers, Yeah, argers 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.160 first round fixed for chargers, right he uh and oh 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.480 did that cause problems at Missouri because his mom worked 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.840 in one of the cafeterias at the school and he 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.280 chose Arkansas instead of Missouri, and they had the press 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.199 conference in her cafeteria. You know, oh cold, No, that's cool, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.240 and it was. And it was a new coach too, 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.879 come on side. You can't do that. You got to 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.920 give moms and heads up on this one because we 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.840 got this all set up for us. Yeah. Anyway, but 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.920 he was one of those guys that you were talking about, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:07.439 whatever sport it was, he's gonna beat you. And you know, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.680 the other part of it, like with Micah and Trayvon 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.239 for that matter, is when they can do it, like 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.720 immediately in their career the rookie year, Micah comes in 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.959 and he's able to do what he can. You know, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.280 that's that's amazing. Well, you'll love this about Treyvon and 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.160 you can talk about your little deal you did with him. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.840 But so he comes to do his little thing and 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.879 somebody said, well, what do you what do you need 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.560 to improve on this year? And he said, oh, well 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.680 everything he and somebody asked him. He goes, so, got 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:41.159 to take fewer chances and he goes, I don't know 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.560 what you're talking about chance and they go, well, you know, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.199 gambling on stuff. He goes, I don't take chances. I 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.879 play football, And I said good for you, right, and 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.320 he kind of gave a smile, but it was sort 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.359 of a smile like okay, take that right, and he 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.639 and they're right. Everybody see what happens on TV? Is 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.480 they him get beat and it's like he took a chance. No, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.200 sometimes you just get beat. Yeah, that guy gets paid 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.760 over there too, Right, you getting beat and the guy 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:10.560 puts a good move on you. It wasn't like you 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.720 were going for a dick, right or or I think 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.560 that insinuation is the reason he has so many guess 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.560 because he's gazing. Yes, that's what they think exactly, and 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.760 he's not. He didn't gotten beat, right, so but he yeah, 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.680 he took a little exception to chances. I thought it 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.640 was good. So what were you alluding to with Everson 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.880 and Trayvon? What do you tell Everson? Why don't you explain? Well, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.800 why don't we do that when we come back here 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:40.760 on twenty minutes? Anywhere? There was an interfacing between Everson 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.200 and Treyvon. Is that what you're saying a little longer 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.280 than the one you put? 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Call now two one four 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:17.080 two two five four eight six o K postcompany dot 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.000 Com bill. All right, and we got so much to 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.120 get to over the final forty minutes as we get 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:27.320 you set for an open media day here at the 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.040 Star in Frisco. As the Cowboys have an OTA today, 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.880 another one tomorrow, and then it's minicamp week next week Tuesday, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.200 Wednesday and Thursday. But let's and we're gonna talk some 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.080 Dalton Schultz coming up here. We're gonna talk positions of 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:47.399 some concern as we hit the summer months here. But 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.320 let's get started here with Everson and Trey Vaughn. Yeah, 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:56.359 we had a nice little get together. Let's put together 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:01.520 by guest Blue Star Productions. They wanted to talk about, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.600 you know, just have a little documentary. I guess you 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.400 call it. It's going to be it's a documentary that's 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:16.040 deep blue. Thank you getting docked. Yes, that's cool stuff, man. 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.840 So yeah, we we just kind of talk about the 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:23.000 similarities between our uh we're really lack of similarities between 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.920 our careers. As we got started and it was all 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.719 about leading up to those eleven interceptions nineteen eighty one 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:36.200 and his eleven interceptions this past season forty years later. Uh, 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.480 eleven picks. I thought he was gonna get it. Yeah, 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.720 he didn't play that last game. I think he was 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.560 doing me a favorite. I don't know. I don't think 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.640 he wanted that. He didn't want that. There's too much 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.280 pressure to carry around those eleven interceptions for forty He 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.240 wanted the team network should talk about Everson for another 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.640 year when it makes another run at the market, which 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.840 he said he is going to do, all right, he 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.719 said he's going to make another run at eleven. I 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.800 told him to go with God because he will never 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:11.880 be able to get the NFL rookie interception record that 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.439 I told him. You can have the rest of it. 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.760 You can take those forty years off my back. I 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.320 will see you later when I got that NFL rookie record. 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.080 That's something I can hang my head on. That's right. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.200 Did they have some videos so he could see your interceptions? No, 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.040 we didn't do any of that. But it was a 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:32.400 lot of just you know, posing and picture taking and posturing, 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.280 and you know, we had to come up and shake 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.600 each other's hands. You guys have see it pretty good. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.280 You know, the guys were very good at how they 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.840 did it. I hated all the you know how it is. 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:42.399 You gotta do the one take and to take. Hey, 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.440 we'll try it again, and yeah, but it was fun 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.320 and the last time we did it that he's a 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.040 sharp young man. He's just very shoy. He's a sharp 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.439 young man. The last time we greeted each other, he 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.639 made it. He made it look better than the previous 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.600 three times that we did it, and it really kicked 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.680 off the entire document. He did a good job. It's 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.399 like pulling teeth out of him though to get out. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.359 Yeah he doesn't. Yeah, but he's not like you in 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.640 that respect. No, No, I definitely did all the talking. 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.760 I definitely did all the talking and kind of maneuvering 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.960 the interview a certain way. But they did a great 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.200 job because you know, when it came to the questions, 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.520 it was pretty organic on you know, things we talked 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.639 about and what it led to. I don't think it 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.840 was strange at all, because you know, the questions were 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.720 so direct and poignant, you know, to where it went 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.439 direct to directly to what the director was trying to do, 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.080 and and we just had a lot of a lot 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.119 of fun catching up. And really my first time meeting 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.000 and face to face is my first time meeting and 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.119 face to face. I'm happy to say I'm about it. 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.760 As just as tall as he is. That's like I said, 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:52.680 just as tall as he. I thought I was shrinking. 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.919 I'm not shrinking yet, that was I was right there. 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:57.600 I kept stretching my net, you know, when I was 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.560 standing next to him, So Siga, I think he was flouting, 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.440 but I was like, you know, straight up, Okay, So 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:08.880 he's not like you as far as an outgoing personality. 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.200 How is he like you as a football player? Well, 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.119 we thought just as we start talking about the things 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.879 that we see when we play, Yes, it's it's you know, 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.960 we go we go down the same path. You know, 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.760 we can go down the same path hand in hand 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.560 talking about the same things. Because it was all about 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.480 the instincts that you have. The question that they asked him, 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.560 you kind of anticipate those questions and you get offended 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.760 because it sounds like they're trying to say you're guessing, 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:39.000 you know, and you don't come about eleven interceptions by 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.280 just guessing, you know, and the plays that you give up, 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:46.359 it's not because you went after an interception. Sometimes the 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.199 play that you gave up because that guy on the 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.520 other side was balling that day or that play. And 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.359 when it comes down to it, many guys get beat, 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.680 but do does the quarterback see it? Right? You see 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.000 that's what you're about. You can get beat a lot, 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.440 but does the quarterback see that? And that's a lot 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.760 of times you missed that. In the game, we talked 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:10.120 about how you know you have the ability, uh at 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.640 an early age to be successful. That's something a lot 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.560 of people really just don't experience. I came out of 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.720 course my rookie year, I'm leading, I'm leading the league 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.119 with with I'm not even starting and I'm leading the 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.720 league from the bench. Well, here it is. This guy 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:28.560 steps out and you know you expect, can't expect that 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.160 from him, but here it is. You're catching up with 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.840 a with a number that hasn't been done in for 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.640 the years. So you don't really think about it as 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.399 you're doing it. It just becomes part of your DNA 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.680 as you're playing. And we just kind of talked about 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.280 how instinctive that was, how you're not going out there 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.720 looking for it. You're just going out there, as he said, 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.240 and football, right, yeah, just the way it was, you know. 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:54.639 And it's it's amazing in our business that somebody should 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.200 write this book, the Book of Assumptions, right, because people 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.479 just assume things right, and got to ask that question. Right. 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.560 So if you remember midway through the season or whatever, 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.120 and it's like, well, do you think quarterbacks are gonna 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:11.040 quit throwing your way right because you're intercepting the past. Well, 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.520 if you put him or you on the best receiver, 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.680 the other team's not gonna say, I'm not throwing to 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.760 my best receivers, right, he's my money man, I'm coming 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:28.280 after that guy, right, Yeah, no, No, you got the 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.040 thing with that was you know we kind of I 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.879 did the talking on that one. Wasn't you're gonna be 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.439 on the best receiver. You know they're gonna throw it 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.600 to that best receiver. You know that they're gonna put 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.160 it on the money to that best receiver. So when 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.600 you cover a guy and you're in position, you are 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.520 the receiver now, because when that ball comes in there, 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.640 it doesn't matter where he throws it. If he if 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.520 he's in the vicinity of his receiver then I'm going 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.040 to be the receiver. You understand, if he's if he 0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.840 throws that ball on time the way he always does, 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.240 and this is what they practice, this is what makes 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.440 them good, then I'm going to be there too. Anticipate 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.200 that move that he made you you basically they fall 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.000 into their own traps. This is what we do. We know, 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:13.800 that's what you do. Say, that's why if you're waiting 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.920 on you, and that's how you make your plays. See, 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.480 you make plays on bad passes. You make plays on 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.800 good passes because you're in good position to make the play. 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.480 And I think and I think the other part of 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.560 it is and you had disability. He has disability to 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.680 judge the ball in the air. And not only that, 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.440 but catch it too, right, because I guarantee you when 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.000 when they come up and no one knows who anybody 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.360 is and they put together a football team, the coach 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.000 is looking for if you can catch it, well, you're 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.520 my receiver. Right. And he was a receiver as was I, 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:51.160 as was you. And also the ability to judge the 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.480 ball from playing baseball. Now he didn't play baseball. I 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:59.040 was going to say, and just and just think about 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.280 Dion Sanders. He played baseball, right, so you have this 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.960 inaidability to judge the ball in the air. And if 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.080 you we saw last year some of his interceptions compared 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.040 to Trey Vons, and it was the ability to judge 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.360 the ball in the air. You know where it's going 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.360 to come down. Yeah, And that's why we talked about 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.720 because of our experience at wide receiver, we know what 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.320 they're running. I mean, we've run the route before. You 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.560 can used to the stem is still the same, you know, 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.920 the little tree for the little routes, It's still the same. 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.880 Now you can put all kind of moves into it 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.560 that but you're still going to be in a certain 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.479 spot at a certain time. So that never changes. And 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.400 I always you always remember that as a player. That's 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.400 the first thing I learned was football, was how to 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.080 run the tree, you know, the route tree. And so 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.400 now you know what they're doing. I know where to 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.000 look at it, I know when to look at it. 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.040 And not only that, talking about playing baseball out of 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.959 I'm sure I've told the story many times because in 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.440 my book, I couldn't see the damn ball in the air. 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.520 It was moving all over the place when I was 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.080 at center field, I'm running all on my heels, you 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.720 know what I mean. I don't know how. I'm nine 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.560 years old, I think, so, you know, I just asked 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.360 my dad, who was the best coach I've ever had, 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.520 and he was so simple with it. Son, just run 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.600 on your toes. So he's probably out there looking at me, like, 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.440 but this guy is an idiot. My father was so 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.040 athletic and he looks at me and these the things 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.360 were so innate to him. Son, just run on your 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.200 toes and it was like magic. The there it is 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.640 the but I can see the seams, you know, and 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.800 next thing you know, I'm Willie Mays. I'm catching everything. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.160 And so that's some ship what he went through. What 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.320 d you guys as well? There's a point to where, Okay, 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.160 you conquer that and you're on your way. You conquer 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.680 that thing that you couldn't do, and you you get 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.960 rid of that, and that's all it was waiting on 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.600 for the rest of your instincts to kick in. Happens 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.880 to a lot of kids. So running on your toes, 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:54.320 that keeps your eye levels, it keeps the ball, it 0:31:54.560 --> 0:32:00.000 keeps your vision from bright like running with the cell phone. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.560 That so when you running your toes. It all smooths 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.280 out because otherwise you running on your head right and 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:10.040 then run like you have to run as if you're 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.959 your your your legs are shock absorbers. You know, Ben 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.360 your knees a little bit. Don't run straight legged, get 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:20.400 on your toes. And Brad Sham the only guy ever ever, 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:22.800 he said, I knew you were gonna get it because 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.520 your gate changed, and he knew my gate change. When 0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.400 you saw that, then that means that I'm running running right. 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:30.960 But then you started looking at the ball. You gotta 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.080 get on your toes. And he saw that difference. And 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.320 he's the only person to ever see that difference in 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.080 me besides my dad. We talked about the center fielder 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.560 for the Rangers last week, you know Eli white Man. 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.960 He came up and he were talking about him. He 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.320 robbed the Tampa Bay Ram home running was so cot 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.959 feet over the face right there, whatever, right there. He 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.840 had two more catches the other night in Cleveland, and 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.000 one of them was a diving catch on the warning 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.479 track where he just had to lay out whatever, and 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.600 then another one was a back handed going the other 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.360 way where he was able to slide. But to your point, 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.480 on what Brad said, He knew that your gate change. 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.560 He knew you were gonna make an interception because your 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.920 gate change. All right, the analytics on that baseball player 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.280 is apparently you know, they do all the analytics on 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.280 how far he had to run, how fast he had 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.840 to go, And he and Evan Grant tweeted this out 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.560 yesterday that the well, the analytics say that the second 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.400 catch was more difficult than the first catch, but if 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.640 you watch both catches, it was clear the first catch 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:34.239 was infinitely more difficult. He said. He dove on the 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.240 warning track face first and he snow coned it whatever. 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.600 But on the other one, his gate changed. I mean 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.480 he could. It was like Everson intercepted the pass whatever. 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.600 So I mean, it's crazy, man, man, we all do it. 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.320 We just don't know we did it, all right. My 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.920 dad had to tell me. Those guys probably you know, 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.080 conquided themselves. They okay, figure it out, but just so happened. 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.000 I had somebody to tell me, and they made me 0:33:56.040 --> 0:34:00.360 develop quicker. I'm coaching, man, and nothing better than coach. 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.680 I loved playing baseball, I just have. I just loved it. 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.040 I couldn't get it. What position did you play well. 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:11.799 I was no infield, and I could see anybody fear 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:16.480 though you were a second base start stop until the 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.600 base has got to be ninety feet. Then my arm 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.200 wasn't stronger. So who were you? What? What? What major 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:27.000 league player were you? Louis Epper recently, no man that 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.920 was the same side. I batted lead off because I 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.239 was small, I can get walks, and then you know, 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.719 everybody infield was the best thing to for practice, right, 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.040 you'd play infield, so then when they hit the outfield, 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.640 everybody was bored. I'd go out in the outfield and 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.319 take some flyballs because I just thought that was that 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.120 was the cool thing I wanted to be. Jim Landis 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.160 jumping up on the outfield fence to catch a ball, 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.839 you know, and uh, and then my arm wasn't strong enough. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.640 But getting back to trade arms, yes, I think I 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.920 think this year, I think he's gonna be even better 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.120 if I compare it to mine after my rookie year. 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.239 And I'm looking at my rookie year as his second year, 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.960 because he really started to develop this past season. I 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:14.680 could see him getting better, getting smarter. I remember after 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.800 my second year playing was a strike year. But I 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.040 had seven picks in nine games. And it wasn't just 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.440 about the numbers. It was the field that I had 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.839 after that rookie year, you know, giving up a lot 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:28.759 of big players my rookie year, Like, I'm not doing 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.360 that this year. I got even better. And that's without 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.759 the speed and the ability that he has. I mean, 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.200 with this guy, he's got it. I think he can 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.000 run as fast as he wants to. So remind me 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.480 eighty two, did you play nine straight games and then 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.440 the rest got canceled until the playoffs? I think we 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.640 played two then came now that was eighty seven. You 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.560 played two and eighty seven before the strip. That's the case. 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.279 Then in eighty two, now nine, you did nine nine 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.040 and then you didn't play and then they had to 0:35:56.360 --> 0:36:00.000 turn it. Right, Yeah, they'll look it up for you. Yeah, 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.359 I think I think I'm right though. All right, you 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.640 sit there and you talk for two seconds. But now 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.200 I truly think, because you know what that year, that 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.759 year when they when the strike happened. So I'm working 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:17.520 in Jackson, Mississippi, and uh NBC they got no games, right, 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.480 so they decided they were going to do a Division 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:27.040 two game, uh and it was not Belle Haven. It 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:30.040 was another small college. How was that surprised that we 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.239 didn't play? How are they surprised well at something. No, 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.640 they weren't surprised. They just got to a point they 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.400 needed to do games. What what did you say into 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.440 you played two games? Two? And then I thought that 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:46.399 was eighty seven? They did two and eighty seven was right. 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.799 You did two and then miss two and then came 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.480 back and did the other seven and then the other 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:56.319 seven after missing the seven. Well, in eighty seven they 0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:00.400 did two and then missed three with the replacement players, 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.600 and then came back and played the rest of the season. 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.160 But anyway, they did a small college thing like Division two. 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.520 They brought in all the broadcasters, they brought in all 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.759 the TV production to this little field that looked like 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.840 a high school field, right and uh, and did a 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:20.320 game live for television to film some space on a Saturday. 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.680 That a two game kind of reminds me. A two 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:25.000 season reminds me of what they did with the bubble 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:30.720 in the NBA. It was so quick and I almost 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.840 it was like put together the last minute seemed like 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.440 And as much as I enjoyed that season, I had 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.480 a hell of a season, and we actually went back 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.360 to the championship game again. But it just seemed like 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.360 it was just so abbreviated. It didn't seem like a 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.479 real season. You know, when you're up playing nine games 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.880 versus sixteen, that's kind of weird. I mean, you just can't. 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.799 Even in high school you played more games in that, right. Yeah, 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.759 And in eighty seven, actually they actually ended up only 0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.239 playing fifteen games because one got canceled before or are 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:04.040 they played the three replacement player games. But I think 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:05.960 he's gonna come back. I think Tray Bond is going 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.840 to be even better. He may not get the picks. 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.200 I know, if they would played an entire season, I 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.640 probably would have gotten more than eleven. I don't know 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.440 if he's ready to do that, but I think he 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:18.520 has that ability because he I promise you, he's seeing 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.880 things a lot clearer now based on especially based on 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.920 that season he had last year. It's not just the 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:31.240 confidence that you have, it's your anticipation seems to get better, 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.640 and I think his anticipation would be better. And if 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.400 we think about it, he only played a couple of 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.759 years at quarterback in college. Right, he was a wider 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.360 He talked about before he go he talked about how 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.400 many intercessions he missed his rookie year. He said he 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:47.960 probably could have gotten eleven. I can't remember that many misses. 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:49.480 But he's like, if he wouldn't have missed so many, 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.080 he would have gotten done even better than he did 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.799 this year. And I know Everson talks about this, but 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.520 we don't talk about this enough. That Everson second year 0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.839 of the league, he only played nine games in heads 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.360 having picks right. Yeah, Like I said, I know Everson 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.839 talks about that a lot. But one guy, well, guy, 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.319 I feel the one guy, one reporter, this is for 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.360 the Hall of Fame. He was James Lofton told me this. 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.120 They went in the room talking about voting and one guy, well, 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.759 he only got seven interceptions his second year. The guy 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.959 didn't even know it was a strike year. Why And 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.560 Lofton told me he had to chastise the guy, like, 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.839 you don't even know what your your voter, You don't 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.080 even know how many games that they're playing. Well, the 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.359 other part of it is, I don't understand playoff games 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.080 are more important than regular season games, and those don't 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:41.920 count and count, yeah, don't count their extras? Crazy and 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.240 So you think about Charlie Waters, you know his career 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.800 was very good, but you look at his playoffs. 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Yeah, this week, 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:47.879 but they're gonna have a bunch of guys out with 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.920 soft tissue injuries. That might be surprising to you guys. 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.360 So it's like everybody should like today. So when the 0:43:56.360 --> 0:44:00.839 tweets come out this afternoon at after when they can 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:06.719 start tweeting with observations shocked, working on the chords, be 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.080 working on the chords with Britt. Yeah. Absolutely, So there 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.680 will be a few guys and I and it happens 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.279 right this time of year, and you're not used to 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.879 doing a lot of football stuff and you get out 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.640 there and you strain a hamstring or whatever. So there'll 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.040 be a couple of guys being held down. And I 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.399 think what they're probably trying to do is hopefully get 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.879 them ready for them three day mini camp to be able. 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.200 Not that the mini camp practice is any different than 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:36.440 these OTA practices, but they probably want them to get 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.799 in there for that. So there'll be a little bit 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:43.280 more conservative with this one that's open to the media 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:49.239 in about an hour. Yeah, okay, Dalton Schultz, Um, what 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.120 do you make of the Dalton Schultz situation? Right? Very predictable. 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:58.160 We talked about it last week, right, except that they're 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:04.560 Johnny come Lately because I'll guarantee you the reason that 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.960 his agent told him uh no tas and win't going 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:14.640 to mini camp was because the negotiations were stalling. But 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:19.200 the problem was they signed the franchise tag. So once 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:23.399 you signed the franchise tag, you are guaranteed one year 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.680 ten point nine three million for a tight end, right, 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.239 and you're obligated to do everything the team does if 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.160 you're under contract. Now, if you're going to try to 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.239 create some leverage, don't sign the franchise tag, all right? 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:42.439 Is this unusual? Is this unusual for a player even 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.040 though he signed the franchise tag, it feels like he 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.240 deserves more right to make this move. This is not unusual, 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.520 It is not unusual, but you should not sign it then, 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.239 you Now he is subject to being fined if he 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.960 misses mini camp practices right now because you're under contract. Now, 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:03.960 the downside of not signing and trying to continue to 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.520 negotiate and hold out is they can pull the tag 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.799 from you and then you're really in trouble. But I'm 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.880 thinking a guy that in four years in the NFL 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:17.280 made three million dollars and now he's guaranteed ten point 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.000 nine he ain't missing anything right now. He missed might 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.720 miss practice. That's only going to hurt him, right because 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.880 if you do end up playing on a one year deal, 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.120 you better have a good year to market yourself for 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.840 next year, right, because next year they're probably not going 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.520 to tag him again because then it's a twenty percent 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:44.360 increase in what you just made so late. Well, I 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.080 mean it's a statement, okay, and has that I'm not 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.319 happy as has that statement do you think? And has 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.640 that statement ever worked before? I don't know that it's 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:57.960 changed the dial it has that ever worked? It depends 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.440 on how it turns out. Right, did did you get 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.759 a long term deal that you wanted or did you 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.520 get a long term deal that the team wanted? Because 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.719 I think the Cowboys would like to sign him. We 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.319 talked about it last week. Right, They would like to 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.520 sign him to a long term deal because they don't 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.359 want that cap hit for one year to be ten 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.000 point nine. You signed him to a long term deal, 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.960 give him a signing bonus. You spread that over the 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.040 life of say four years, and his cap hit this 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.920 year might be five million, because you'll get a basically 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.280 a million dollar based selling And there is a deadline 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.000 on that. Yes, it's got to happen by July fifteen. 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.239 And even with that you've got a player that you 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:39.640 know is disguanted. Sometimes this power move might work. And 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.000 as a player, I'm going to try what I can. Right, 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.000 I would tire so I didn't have to pay fines 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.839 and train account. I mean, I was twenty four years old, retired. 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:50.879 I mean, I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:56.279 So my thing is, has this ever worked? And I 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.839 also point out how OTAs can really screw up negotiations 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.200 because you really don't know what's going on in the 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.200 front office between the player and the negotiating right, and 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.319 as soon as OTA's come up, whoever doesn't show up. 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.840 Oh we got a problem. You know. I didn't know 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:13.440 we were having the problem with Shels. Yeah, yeah, were 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.920 having problem with Sheolts because OTA's are coming out. He's 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.239 not coming Oh well I thought we were cool. Now 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.319 we're not cool. So those OTAs, they can bring up 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.920 a lot. And Donald's right back. Look, look, he was 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:28.880 gonna retire, right, And I told you last week the 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:32.319 reason he was going to retire was because he had 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.200 three years left on his contract. He was gonna make 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.560 fourteen million this year, but none of that money was 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:42.440 guaranteed anymore. Right, And he's going, you know, and I 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.400 mentioned what he said. He said, well, this is not 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.919 about the money. Uh, it's business. And I'm going, well, 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.480 it is about the money, right, money is the business. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.520 And then suddenly he got a forty million dollar raise 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.440 and over the next three years now all ninety five 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:02.359 million is guaranteed. His tune changed to, Hey, we're going 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.960 to get back at this and get another ring. Right yeah, 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.879 well yeah, yeah, same he gets he gets a lot 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.400 of money as well, right, And as an extension, what 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:17.319 the OTAs? They bring it all to lights because you 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.160 don't have to be there for the OTA's right. Remember 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.640 the old it was quarterback school, now it was it 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:28.520 was what was it was a voluntarily mandated Yeah, voluntary? 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:33.640 What do voluntary? Bean? So what's the what what do 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.800 you think the uh? What's the purpose? Here's what happened 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.239 to to sit out this year. Here's what happened, and 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.040 we talked about it last week. The tight end at Cleveland, 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:46.400 the Negochu however you say it, Uh ended up getting 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.479 franchised and they signed him to a four year deal 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:53.000 averaging fourteen million a year, and his numbers were half 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:58.279 as much as and they're they're they're, uh, they're negotiating 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.920 on what they think this guy can be more so 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.560 than what he did. And I think the Cowboys are 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.600 looking at it, and you know, they probably think Schultz 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.560 topped out this year seventy eight catches, eight hundred and 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:15.439 eight yards um, eight touchdowns. Now can he get better? 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.840 I don't know. That's by necessity. And there was nobody 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.840 else open, so that's by necessity almost obs And I 0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:26.399 don't want to say he's a system tight end, but 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.920 I think the system helped what was going on and help. 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.760 But again again my question is, so what what purpose 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:38.719 is Schultz? What? What? What is his purpose for, you know, 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.840 for sitting out this week? And I think one of 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:46.560 the reasons might be that, Okay, you think you can 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.440 go without me long term? Right, see what else you 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.320 got out there on the practice and guess what happened? 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.480 And this is this. You get an opportunity throughout for 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.239 a whole week here to see if you don't have me, 0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.400 not just this year, but going forward next year, what 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.120 do you have at tight end? So do you think 0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:04.839 this was a coincidence? They had one guy of their 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:09.200 nine that hadn't been signed of their draft choices and 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:14.520 he signed ed guy named Jake ferguson tight end in 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:21.160 the fourth guy, some guy, some guy. Now the other 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.160 side of what you just said, as Parcels would say, 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.719 the other side of that pancake is what if they 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.920 get this guy out here and now he's working with 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:32.279 the first team and looked really good. Look at how 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:37.359 Shelts got here the fourth round draft, fourth round. I mean, 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.680 I mean, I remember we're talking about first I just 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.960 love Jarl because Jarvon could out maneuver for anybody. Next thing, 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.080 you know, Scholtz is doing the same thing, and he 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.480 was kind of doing it as Joan was a starter. 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.759 I remember him making a great third down in three 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.840 catch from that. I mean, we needed it. It was 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:58.239 just one of those many third chain movers. But it 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.160 was Sheltz doing it. At that time, he was not 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.680 the starter, Like, wow, this guy's not just a blocker, 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:04.960 because at that time that's what he came in. As 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.800 I said, this guy has good hands. Sure enough, Joe 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:10.640 goes down. Now he's looking like jar one, right, So 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.799 is there another Shelts out there? They're hoping, I would 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.719 imagine they're hoping that they can make a compromise and 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.279 get a long term deal. And what Schultz's guys are 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.840 trying to do is get guaranteed money down the line, 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.799 not just one year of guarantee, because I would if 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.480 something happens. And now you go into free agency and 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:36.000 your market value is just driving of course, right, Yeah, 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.040 and that's that's his right. Yeah. Is he gonna makes 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:42.200 next week though, Mack? And do what now? Will he 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.560 miss next week? Though? Oh? Well, next week? You're subject 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.000 to being fined if you missed the mini camps. No, 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.600 it's mandatory now on the CBA. If you're not there, 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:53.040 you get fine. That's why I just said subject. You 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:57.280 don't have to christ right, Yes, first day you missed 0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:00.719 fifteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty dollars, second day you 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:05.920 missed thirty one thousand, nine hundred eighty and third day 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:11.280 you misses forty seven thousand nine. Those are those, Okay, 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.400 so those are on top of each other. Yes, yet 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:19.920 ninety five whatever it is. Yeah, but to your seen teams, 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.400 excuse that. But I don't know now that they can't anymore. 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.400 Can't you can't. It's part of the CBA that if 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:27.360 you get fined, they can't when you sign a contract. 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.600 But if you agree to a long term contract, you 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.359 just you just say, okay, I just put that in there, 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:37.120 that's right. Yeah, And that's what they do, right. So anyway, 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:41.480 so we'll keep an eye on the tight end position today, okay, 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:46.879 and okay, positions of concern as tight end right now? 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:54.640 Um so, and that second tight end who emerges as 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.279 a second tight end is a position of concern, I mean, 0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.040 and yeah, that's an important I mean, can if Schultz 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.080 is there, is it Ferguson? You know, is Sean McEwan 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.680 stepping up? Can he do anything? We're gonna have We're 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:14.160 gonna come out. Peyton shot the college and you know 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:20.480 they've got Sprinkle and then ian Um bunting bunting, so 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:24.399 they've got numbers. But again, you know who can come 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:27.239 in as that second tight end and really help you out. 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.600 And I think that's one of the things because they 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.279 love their tight ends. Mike McCarthy loves the tight end, 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.640 two tight ends in his offense. And you know, they 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:38.759 did it a lot last year, but I don't know 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:41.840 how good they were at it. Uh to the point 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:46.520 where they sent the guard to tight end right to 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.120 block McGovern the guard that's gonna have to start at 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:53.560 left guard, left guard, right. Yeah, he didn't tell you, 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.960 guys want to talk about that. I can educate you 0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:01.799 on the importance of what that was. So and by 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:06.640 the way, he also is working at tackle too. Tyler 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:10.439 Tyler Tyler Smiler. First round. So when they when they 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.920 give Tyrn Smith a break, he didn't need to be 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.839 out here for OTAs. But what's he learning, right, So 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.320 he'll he'll come out and first team and Tyler Smith 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.279 will go in there and play left left guard at 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.160 the left tackle. And then at this they have at 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.600 the line as far as the line's concerned. They just 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:34.240 got Tyler in over. He's second team guard. Oh okay, okay, 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.560 Connor McGovern still working with the first team now. Travis 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.800 Frederick came in here and he was the first team 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.920 center from the day one of OTA because they didn't 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:47.640 have anybody else to do it. Okay, huh who was 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:52.680 going at it now besides at center? Yeah? Uh. Last 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.200 year's seventh round dropped choice. I think it was yes 0:55:56.560 --> 0:56:00.040 getting the good He was a guard. They moved of 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:04.000 them the center, so we'll see. But he's the backup 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.960 right now. And then McGovern can also do that and 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.319 they may put his hand on the ball also once 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.600 we get the training. So if Tyler does if Tyler 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:18.080 Smith does well at god uh, then they might then 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:30.000 McGovern because it shelters here at first, And then Tyler 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:34.720 does well at guard. What you think of mcgovernor center, 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:38.799 they could let him compete and at least see they 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.759 need a backup center they like be oddish and they've 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.400 been working Braylon Jones there too, right, okay, but you 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.640 also have on game day you would love that your 0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:51.120 backup center can also play guard Joe Looney. Right, then 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.960 you save a spot on your on your active list. Right, 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.719 So if McGovern can do both, that that's a that's 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.520 a bonus. And then the other thing of concern on 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.640 the line would be, Okay, who's who's my backup? Who's 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.680 the swing tackle? You know? Right now they think maybe 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:12.520 will let's ski, Well, let's go starry yeah? Um? And 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:15.520 so now can he do both? But they don't know that, 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:18.760 and he's a rookie. Is he better than some veteran 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:20.840 you can pick up off the street. You have Josh 0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.840 Ball as well, and Ball's been playing right tackle the 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:28.600 majority of it. So we'll see where that one goes 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:34.120 all right, So any other positions of concern, Um, my 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:40.080 second wide receiver since Michael Jay is out right now, 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.160 is James Washington? Can he fill that role? Are we 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.240 asking too much of Jaalen Tolbert didn't have both? Didn't 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:47.920 James have a book? He's out of the boot, out 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:49.960 of the boot, he's out of the book. He's doing 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:54.720 resistance stuff with brit right now. So maybe he's ready 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.160 for Mini camp. If not, I'm sure they're looking at 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.000 with a veteran like that, just be ready to start. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.920 I'm keeping an eye on the waiver wire today. Okay. 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:06.400 That would be Travin Howard, the linebacker from the Rams 0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:10.400 out of TCU, Okay, actually had the clinching interception in 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:15.720 the NFC Championship game in January, and he was let 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:19.800 go buy the Rams yesterday because they signed Cooper Cup 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.920 to that big contract and they had to do something 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:25.520 with their salary cap, and they have a salary cap. 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:31.240 He was on the restricted free agent tender and which 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:34.960 is a two point five four million dollar deal and 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:39.600 which isn't guaranteed, so they just cut him and decided 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:43.160 that if he's going to be a backup linebacker, then 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.520 two point five is too much. I'll find me a 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:48.960 young guy for eight hundred thousand. So they're saying, if 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.480 someone else picks him up off waivers, and if not, 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:56.400 then he's free agent. Figure out what he goes for. 0:58:56.560 --> 0:59:00.880 Then Vicky Tolber's back at practice. Is that correct? Yes? Uh? 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:06.440 That yeah? And and uh so Tilbert, you know, is 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.320 he ready to be I mean till and is he 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.080 the third guy? Right? Is he ready to step into 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.760 that until Gallup gets back? Who, by the way, now 0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:22.200 is out there doing grass drills ahead of schedule. He's well, 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.200 they're always ahead of schedule. Now is are you ahead 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:28.200 to actually put some pads on and actually play football? 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:31.640 I tell you who's running really well as Jabril cox U. 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:35.320 So I think there's a good chance that he could 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:37.720 be ready for the start of training camp. If not, 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.400 they put him on pup, you know, let him do 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.040 some stuff for a week and then get him out 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.240 in pads, just to make sure, because what you want 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.280 to do is make sure that he can do all 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:52.480 that stuff, uh before you say okay, we're taking him 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.960 uh and putting him on the ninety man roster. So 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.720 because if you can keep if he's not ready, then 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:01.440 you keep him on PUP and that way he can 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.480 start on PUP at the beginning end of the season 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.960 if he gets to that point. And they've changed the 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.200 rules on that where it's a four games they sit 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:13.040 out or sentimum six. They switched it from six to four. 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:15.280 That's right. With the other thing with that, and that 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:19.760 applies to Gallop right where if he's on PUP, then 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.720 he doesn't have to sit six games before he's eligible 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.840 to come off. It's four right and so um, same 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:30.280 would apply with bro Cox and and that that those 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.120 players don't count against the fifty three at the final 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:38.880 cutdown day if they're on PUP from through throughout preseason. Um, so, 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:41.840 do you guys have a position you're worried about? I 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.360 was alluding to the linebacker position, just depth and so forth, 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.160 you know, with the Trayvan Howard, which by the way, 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:51.200 vander Esh had a really good answer when he was asked, 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.320 uh something about yeah, I looked like at the end 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:57.560 of the season, Uh, you you were coming on, you 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:00.520 were you were being more productive. And he goes, well, 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:02.640 that's what you get if you play me the whole game. 1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:07.120 It's like, oh, okay, and he's right, because the end 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:10.040 of the season, his last six games, he had thirty 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.560 of his eighty six tackles in twenty one were in 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:16.800 the last two or three games, so he really was playing. 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:20.720 And the reason on linebacker I say that is because 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:25.120 of Cocks unknown unknown, and I want to be I 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:28.200 want to have someone who can play linebacker to free 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:31.880 up Parsons. When Parsons is not playing linebacker where you 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.440 can where you don't feel obligated that you have to 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:36.640 play him at linebacker because you don't have it right, 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:40.240 there's a falloff in ability from where he is. And 1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:42.880 the guy that would do that is Cox. But at 1:01:42.920 --> 1:01:45.240 this point you don't know. I mean he and you 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.480 need he had nine season. At this point you're you're 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:53.960 taking the bunch of linebackers and all and also safeties 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:57.520 to play and making them linebacker. Right. My concern is 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.440 who the hell is going to play safety? Because we 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.240 talked about being able to track that ball down. You 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:07.000 can't just use anybody. I say, just what decent last year, 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:10.160 But towards the end of the season, we fell off 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:13.960 the kick that the key thing will be Malie Cooker. 1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:17.360 Can Malie Cooking? Now, remember last year, he's coming back 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:23.280 from torn achilles. Uh, can he get back to that level? That? 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:27.440 Uh was incentive enough for the Colds to use a 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:31.000 first round pick on him? Right? Can he play? And 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:37.120 that Ken Marquis that's right, b Deamonte and Casey and 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.800 and that's what I want to know. Oh, I think 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:45.800 that's exactly what And now no started and Donovan Wilson too, 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:48.360 I was are you coming out there to look? Did 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:50.400 you see what I saw? I want? I talked to 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:55.360 the defensive coordinator. Okay, he's got named Quinn. Some I've 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:58.520 got named Quinn. No, No, he really did he insider training. 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:01.720 I talked to him about Marquis Marquis Bell, I did 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:05.120 Marquis Bell, and of course he had his idea. Is 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:07.760 I really like to see him a linebacker? You know, 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:12.800 because because Queenn loves these hybrid safety linebackers curse right 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:15.520 of course. But then I I want to see more 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:19.400 Wilson's Okay, I want to see more Donovan Wilson's back 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:23.200 there guys that yeah, well, and once again you're coming 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:25.680 from deep. I want to I want your deep first, 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:27.680 and I also want those guys that's gonna come up 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.120 and make those plays. He can't stay healthy because he's 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:33.200 throwing his body in there so much with reckless abandon 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:35.520 which I love that. So if you're gonna have if 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:38.480 you're gonna have some safeties, I need some safeties like that, 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.280 but that can also stay healthy. Marquis Bell might be 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:44.360 one of those guys. But you keep changing, and I 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:46.920 know that's it's worked for him. You keep changing these 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:52.320 excellent athletic safeties and putting them as a hybrid linebacker. 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:55.480 Now you're leaving your safeties. You got some safeties back 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:58.320 there who may not be as and and you need 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.520 so many safety's. It's like he can't have enough cornerbacks 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:03.720 well now and the way they're playing defense now and 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:06.320 these sub packages, you can't have enough safety. So the team, 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.280 So did you eyeball Marquise? I told I saw him, 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:12.440 and I told uh, I asked. I almost said, hey, 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:14.200 but coach, you know what I mean, you really need 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:16.960 to have him. And I had to stop myself because 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:19.840 I'm you know, my thing is, I'm a safety corner. 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:21.640 I want to see somebody and go back there and 1:04:21.640 --> 1:04:23.320 make plays in the ball, which is exactly what I 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:25.600 told him. I want to see somebody can make plays 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:28.760 on the ball d I mean gathering himselves to go 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:30.439 up and make the book. I said, from what I've 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.560 heard and from from what I've seen, he can do that. 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:37.520 But once again, Quinn loves those hybrids and he loves 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:40.320 putting that pressure on him, so the quarterback can't can't 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:42.040 get out like the way he wants to, and to 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:45.480 create matchup problems of course. Uh in blocking, well, he 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.200 need to keep an eye on forty one to see 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:53.000 what he does. And in the mini camp and then uh, 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:56.160 you know they only got one kicker there. Oh yeah, 1:04:56.240 --> 1:05:00.840 Jonathan Garabay, Texas Tech. I hear he's kicked well so far. 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:04.640 But again he doesn't have any competition. I saw where 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:10.080 um who let him? Oh uh, this guy had a 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:14.080 he's a free agent. He had a Tristan Viska. Yeah, 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:16.760 he had. He had to work out with New England 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:18.880 and the Ravens. We're going to bring him in for 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:21.960 workout if but the Cowboys had Ravens need a kicker. 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:28.240 I don't know, I have no idea. But on vacation 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:35.800 so they don't wear out Tucker. They did that as 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:38.960 a favor to his agent. Hey can you bring my 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.960 guy in? Because people will say, what why if the 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:46.920 Ravens they got a great kicker, the Cowboys had kicker. 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:50.920 The Cowboys had this guy you know in here for 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:54.120 two or three months in twenty nineteen when they were 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:57.240 looking for another kicker, and then they cut him right 1:05:57.280 --> 1:06:00.280 before the draft. So they had seen him before. But 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:02.760 I just saw where he's. He's one of those guys 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:07.280 that I mean, he's He's kicked six games with Cleveland, 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:11.160 one game maybe with the Jets or something like that, 1:06:11.240 --> 1:06:14.280 and the rest of this time, six teams he's been 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:20.760 on l still the squad they might have to count. Yeah, 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.240 maybe one of those will free up his problem. His 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:26.840 problem was last year he only made ten or fifteen 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:29.840 extra points in those six Kay, we've seen that before 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:34.720 the show on that one. All right, okay, all right, 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:41.760 OTAs today minicamp next week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We think, okay, 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:43.840 and we think we'll have a mix shots next week. 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:48.080 We think, but ill then don't don't count on the 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:52.240 day or time. Chill, then have a week great ota 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:55.640 in mini camp. Go Cowboys. This has been a production 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:59.479 of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.