Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. It's ten am on a Thursday here
Speaker 1: at the Star in Fresco. And you know what that means.
Speaker 1: It's an hour and a half away from mix shots. No,
Speaker 1: it is an early edition of mix shots here inside
Speaker 1: the SWBC podcast studio because this is an OTA open
Speaker 1: to the media Thursday, and so that's why we're coming
Speaker 1: at you earlier than usual. Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and
Speaker 1: the star of the show show. Oh my god, have
Speaker 1: you ever been introduced the star of the show? The
Speaker 1: headline shocking. My headphones are cracking up. Oh I love that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very good. There. It looks like you're going to be
Speaker 1: outdoors today, yes, on a what will be a It
Speaker 1: will be a it's a first alert weather day tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get so hot here in North Texas. I
Speaker 1: see triple digits, I think so. And it feels like
Speaker 1: temperature up around one hundred and six of the afternoon tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So they're finishing. That's the heathen decks, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think that's so they're finishing this OTA session just
Speaker 1: in time. That's right. It's only supposed to be like
Speaker 1: ninety three maybe today. Okay, there you yeah, but that
Speaker 1: we're talking heathen decks. That's a whole. It feels great
Speaker 1: out there right now. Yeah, I'm looking at a hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hundred Sunday. Welcome to Texas in June. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Old Folks podcast. Yeah, talk about Okay, speaking of the weather,
Speaker 1: it is just in time because the high today's ninety two.
Speaker 1: The high tomorrow is one hundred and one. Saturday one
Speaker 1: o two, Sunday one o two, Monday one hundred. I'm
Speaker 1: getting to the minicamp next week, okay, highs of ninety nine,
Speaker 1: ninety seven, and ninety six. Getting ready for Austin and
Speaker 1: training camp. They might be going indoors. They might be.
Speaker 1: And by the way, they do have a yeah, there
Speaker 1: isn't that's right. There is an OTA tomorrow and so
Speaker 1: that's the way the the heat is coming. But we're
Speaker 1: not out there tomorrow, so that doesn't count. So we
Speaker 1: can't meet tomorrow if we wanted to. Oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: think there was tomorrow. There there is an number eight
Speaker 1: Chris set up with Nick. No cannot go with You're
Speaker 1: already attended one. You weren't supposed to be at. No. Right,
Speaker 1: he walks out. He gets special privilege. He acted like
Speaker 1: he set some sort of person wall franchise record or
Speaker 1: some Yeah, so he's got he's got those special problems
Speaker 1: taking of Trey Von digs Um. So they had the
Speaker 1: home run derby and uh, he said he They asked
Speaker 1: him whence the last time he swung a bat, and
Speaker 1: he said, never, I go to beat never. It's like
Speaker 1: he said, he never played baseball, never played baseball. And
Speaker 1: so the first time up, yeah, he was like missing
Speaker 1: the ball. Very second time up he started hitting the
Speaker 1: ball over the faux fence for home runs, right, And
Speaker 1: it's like, God, I wish I was that kind of guy,
Speaker 1: just that guy never done this before. Don't and then
Speaker 1: don't even get me started on Michael Parsons. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: right on four hundred, like out of the park. Here's
Speaker 1: what happened, Everson. He gets there and uh, they take
Speaker 1: some batting they had, they had bats for them at
Speaker 1: batting practice whatever. He didn't like the feel of the bat,
Speaker 1: so he went out. He's senting somebody. Well, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: sent somebody to get him a five hundred dollar bat.
Speaker 1: He told the guy whoever was going to do it,
Speaker 1: go to Dicks and get the best give me, give
Speaker 1: me the best bat they have. And he found a
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars bat, right. And then he gets up
Speaker 1: there and he hadn't played. He said he used to
Speaker 1: play baseball, but when he got to high school it
Speaker 1: was football and tracks. He didn't play baseball. Not only
Speaker 1: did he hit it over the makeshift fence for home runs,
Speaker 1: so probably two twenty five to fifty something like that,
Speaker 1: he hit it over the wall, right, and then he
Speaker 1: hit it out of the park. And where is this?
Speaker 1: This is? And what people, the amazing thing is is
Speaker 1: no one's throwing ninety five miles an hour. Right. You
Speaker 1: got to supply the power yourself when they're throwing a
Speaker 1: BP live at your right. And he not only is
Speaker 1: he stepping into it, he's stepping in with both feet
Speaker 1: like he's moving his back foot forward a happy Gilmore, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And he I told something that I said, I wish
Speaker 1: I knew his exit velocity. You know how they have
Speaker 1: an exit velocity? Now off the bat up and it's
Speaker 1: like he hit a combination the first time up to
Speaker 1: get ten outs. Right, if you don't get the ball
Speaker 1: out of the infield or you miss or file, it's
Speaker 1: an out. Right. He hit eight home runs and four
Speaker 1: of them cleared the real fence, and I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: going are you using? So did he did he like?
Speaker 1: Did he like you know, like the happy gif? Did
Speaker 1: he like skip to it? You know? He ran into
Speaker 1: a couple? He did, And then when he hit it
Speaker 1: out of the park, he read her out the basis
Speaker 1: he had and then he was gonna do it again,
Speaker 1: and Dak was like, no, no, no, you we got
Speaker 1: time here. You got to hit right and uh. And
Speaker 1: so when it's over, he ended up with the most
Speaker 1: home runs, uh thirteen, except he finished in third place.
Speaker 1: But he finished in third place because of the money.
Speaker 1: So Layton Vanderish on the money ball on the last
Speaker 1: that's like Josh Hamilton put on this great home run
Speaker 1: derby exhibition, but people don't remember he didn't win it.
Speaker 1: And so the last ball was worth four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for donations, right, and vander Ish hit that. So vander
Speaker 1: Ish ended up with like seventeen thousand, and Micah ended
Speaker 1: up with thirteen. But but so as story now, so
Speaker 1: as the story goes, when Mica said, oh, I can
Speaker 1: hit the ball all out of the park and all
Speaker 1: the and um who was saying it, Trey von no
Speaker 1: No CD said, he goes, all the vets were like,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You're not going to hit it
Speaker 1: over the wall. And he goes, yes, I will. You
Speaker 1: want to bet? So they all start betting, right and
Speaker 1: CD said the only people that were on his side
Speaker 1: was me and Trey. He goes, we thought he could
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, he did it right, he did. He
Speaker 1: said he made eight thousand dollars. How damn they did?
Speaker 1: They doubt this guy. I would never doubt Michael Passes
Speaker 1: if he said he's gonna do so. When he did
Speaker 1: his interview, he goes, he goes, just to show you
Speaker 1: what a competitor guy on. He goes, I wanted to win,
Speaker 1: so I was going to get a good bat if
Speaker 1: it meant spending five hundred dollars. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: he did not need the good bat, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: could have done it. Without the good bad And so
Speaker 1: somebody said, did you let other people use it? And
Speaker 1: he goes, well, yeah, sure. It's like, well it wasn't
Speaker 1: the bat, and it wasn't it was the guy and
Speaker 1: I wrote about it for this morning. It's like he
Speaker 1: just puts a smile on your face. You know, everything
Speaker 1: he does, everything he says, he just puts a smile
Speaker 1: on your face. Well, I tell a smile like it
Speaker 1: on my faces every time I think about him going
Speaker 1: out to do the drop the hockey thing. And he
Speaker 1: just went out and dropped it. He's so cute. He
Speaker 1: was so cute. He's just like, hey, there you go.
Speaker 1: He said. So I didn't realize this. Evidently he did
Speaker 1: some sort of charity thing in Philadelphia and they did
Speaker 1: it with a softball, and he hit it four hundred
Speaker 1: feet the softball, And he said, I told these guys,
Speaker 1: I said, come on, I hit a softball four hundred feet.
Speaker 1: This is a baseball. It's gonna go further. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: he hit one four hundred feet. Unbelievable. But they raised
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of money for Salvation Army.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown finished second, by the way, and the first
Speaker 1: time up he couldn't hit. He just couldn't see. If
Speaker 1: you don't take batting, you don't hit, it's hard to
Speaker 1: you know. His second time around, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he starts stroking the ball at Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it was a good time. Uh and uh,
Speaker 1: That's what I came away with though from that is
Speaker 1: again it I want Michael Parsons in my room, right,
Speaker 1: I want Michael Parsons whatever. I don't care what we're doing, right,
Speaker 1: I'm picking him. So, you know what, it reminded me
Speaker 1: of when he was young. The first time somebody took
Speaker 1: him to go bowling, and he wasn't very good at it,
Speaker 1: he said, so he went and bought a ball. He
Speaker 1: bought himself his own ball and went out there and
Speaker 1: was going to start practic because he lost to somebody.
Speaker 1: And he said, the guy at the bowling alley goes, okay,
Speaker 1: let me give you a few tips. So the guy
Speaker 1: gave him a few tips. He bought his ball, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's he's he's the best blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and the other thing it reminded me of,
Speaker 1: and Bill might remember that, you guys might remember this
Speaker 1: when they had the first NBA All Star Game here
Speaker 1: in Dallas nineteen eighty six. That was the first year
Speaker 1: they had the three point shooting contests and the dunk contest.
Speaker 1: Spud Webb ended up winning it. Well, the three point
Speaker 1: shooting contest. Larry Bird was one of the guys and
Speaker 1: I was covering this, so uh, he goes into the
Speaker 1: locker room and all the guys in there are going
Speaker 1: to shoot threes, are all in there, and he walks in.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, he goes, we know who's winning this,
Speaker 1: So I'm just looking to see who's second. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. He who was getting second? Yeah, getting second?
Speaker 1: And he won with the little broken finger, the little
Speaker 1: crooked finger when he put that one up there. That
Speaker 1: was the last shot, right, and that was the moneyball,
Speaker 1: and he had a little broken finger, and they got up,
Speaker 1: they got into the final, he took his sweats off,
Speaker 1: they got into the final round. He made it to
Speaker 1: the finals with Craig Hodges, right. He buried twenty two
Speaker 1: threes in the final round to win it. So it
Speaker 1: reminded me of that. Well, all right, that's it's great
Speaker 1: because we're talking about Michael. I want Michael on my team. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want Larry Bird on my team. Kay. Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: was another one, like, yes, I mean that's just uh.
Speaker 1: With the NBA Finals going on. You know, Magic's rookie year,
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old. It's Game six of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: In Game five, Koreem had scored forty points and he
Speaker 1: sprains his ankle. And here's a twenty year old rookie
Speaker 1: who said, and they're going to Philadelphia playing Doctor Jay
Speaker 1: Darryl Dawkins and the Sixers in Game six of the
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, we need a center, Magic, And so Magic
Speaker 1: he plays center, and he scores forty two points with
Speaker 1: fifteen rebounds. But he went on that court knowing he's
Speaker 1: gonna win this basketball game. Yeah, Larry at home waiting, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in the K seven. May let me
Speaker 1: get ready. Yeah, I'll take these. Michael shows up at
Speaker 1: a pole run derby. He knows he's gonna win that
Speaker 1: home run. I mean those are Reggie Jackson in baseball.
Speaker 1: When he walked on the field, he knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna win that. You know, he's gonna hit three home
Speaker 1: runs in the World Series game and whatever. Not surprised
Speaker 1: at all when he did it right. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: so all those Cowboys teams that you played on, Okay,
Speaker 1: who was the guy like that? That was the guy
Speaker 1: that Okay, we got this guy on our team. We
Speaker 1: we got it. Throw a set. Only throw a set, man,
Speaker 1: I mean we we we forget about do us set,
Speaker 1: and we forget about how small he was. Ron used
Speaker 1: to tease him. He was barely five nine. At all times.
Speaker 1: He always tried to make himself bigger and heavier. He
Speaker 1: wore every pad that they that known to the NFL,
Speaker 1: and he still had the speed from from from standing
Speaker 1: still to the first step. He had to be the
Speaker 1: fastest because when you see him run, you always see people.
Speaker 1: It's like so many people in his wake, you know,
Speaker 1: because they think they have the angle, and not many
Speaker 1: guys can out run an angle. That's how I'm making
Speaker 1: my living is it is catching guys on an angle.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the speed. It was I anticipated the angle
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna meet him up there, and they thought
Speaker 1: they were doing the same thing, and he just out
Speaker 1: runs the angle. You know, to see that over and
Speaker 1: over again. He was He was my Lebron, He was
Speaker 1: my Jordan. He was my guy you just look forward
Speaker 1: to it. There was a guy in and at least
Speaker 1: one season in college who is that same type guy
Speaker 1: playing a different position. That was Vince Young at Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know where where. Okay, it didn't matter whether they
Speaker 1: fell behind Oklahoma State thirty to nothing in the first half.
Speaker 1: They were gonna come back in that game. And it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Vince Young, you know, taking off, you know,
Speaker 1: dropped back the pass and then just taking off the
Speaker 1: gun off and then they're in the National Championship game
Speaker 1: and it comes down to the last play of the
Speaker 1: game and he just knew. Everybody in the building knew that. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna drop back and then he's gonna take off
Speaker 1: and there's nobody's gonna catch him. They touch him. But
Speaker 1: that same air about him that Michael Parsons had it
Speaker 1: the whole un der that I'm gonna win this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he was. He is amazing and he's and
Speaker 1: he and then when he verbalizes it, right, it even
Speaker 1: makes you laugh even more. Right, it's like does he
Speaker 1: think of this stuff ahead? Right? You don't like the analysis? Yes, yeah, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm supposed to do that. I'm gonna hit home runs,
Speaker 1: and by god he did. It was amazing. But when
Speaker 1: you think about guys like Parson to be around that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, greatness. First of all, you around
Speaker 1: a lot of great athletes here and players that are
Speaker 1: extremely accomplished, whether it's here and early on. But like
Speaker 1: I said, to know that you can you know that
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. It's inevitable, this is gonna happening.
Speaker 1: That's gonna break it. I don't care how many times
Speaker 1: you bottle them up. You got to do it every time.
Speaker 1: And he really never bottled them up every time. Eventually
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit it. And it's so funny Tom look
Speaker 1: forward to that. That's how he coached the game. Just
Speaker 1: let do us said, get it. Once he gets it,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna take over the momentum of the game.
Speaker 1: And it usually happened just like you know, and and
Speaker 1: the doorset thing. And if people don't understand what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, just go call up his highlights and and
Speaker 1: it reminded me every time when I see his highlights
Speaker 1: how fast he was, like instantly, but it wasn't just speed.
Speaker 1: He couldn't maneuver as well, but he was fast and
Speaker 1: and and and it wasn't like he needed ten yards
Speaker 1: to get God did not. It was like instant, he didn't.
Speaker 1: I was like pushing the button on the game right,
Speaker 1: that's what's guided that zero to one hundred boom. He's
Speaker 1: already there. I'm like, wow, I just us sit on
Speaker 1: the sidelize that good. Now I'm glad to get some
Speaker 1: picks now because they're desperate. Didn't know that Dost's gonna
Speaker 1: break another one, So now we have to keep up
Speaker 1: with that offense. And man, that's when Vandy's coming. Harvey's coming,
Speaker 1: and it's coming. Now we'll have to feast in the back.
Speaker 1: It was all perfect. I saw a guy like that
Speaker 1: in high school. You guys might you might remember Gary
Speaker 1: Anderson Plain back when he was in high school Columbia, Missouri.
Speaker 1: I heard he, you know, football, basketball. First time I
Speaker 1: saw a guy, you know, he did not know where
Speaker 1: the good basketball play. He let he first guy I
Speaker 1: saw leave the free throw line and dunk right. He
Speaker 1: took off from their track hundred two hundred long jump relays,
Speaker 1: and maybe his best event was the four hundred. He
Speaker 1: hated because you got to practice, so so the track
Speaker 1: coach it was at Hitman High Track. Coach tot them
Speaker 1: and they were in the regional and they need to
Speaker 1: get more guys qualified for state, and he told them, Okay,
Speaker 1: I won't let I won't make you run the four
Speaker 1: hundred through the whole season, but when we get to
Speaker 1: regionals and we need to qualify for state, I want
Speaker 1: you to run the four hundred. So that year, it
Speaker 1: was his senior year, hadn't run the four hundred all year.
Speaker 1: He ran to four hundred, won the darn thing. And
Speaker 1: that's like, have you ever run a four hundred before
Speaker 1: to understand how hard that is? It's a sprint? And
Speaker 1: his his yes, he just he was so athletic. It's
Speaker 1: like he was just the stallion, you know. The way
Speaker 1: he ran his it was his legs were never behind him,
Speaker 1: his knees were always in front. Yeah. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 1: he just ran like man, he just ran like he
Speaker 1: was the win. And he went to Arkansas and had
Speaker 1: one heck of a career and the Chargers, Yeah, argers
Speaker 1: first round fixed for chargers, right he uh and oh
Speaker 1: did that cause problems at Missouri because his mom worked
Speaker 1: in one of the cafeterias at the school and he
Speaker 1: chose Arkansas instead of Missouri, and they had the press
Speaker 1: conference in her cafeteria. You know, oh cold, No, that's cool,
Speaker 1: and it was. And it was a new coach too,
Speaker 1: come on side. You can't do that. You got to
Speaker 1: give moms and heads up on this one because we
Speaker 1: got this all set up for us. Yeah. Anyway, but
Speaker 1: he was one of those guys that you were talking about,
Speaker 1: whatever sport it was, he's gonna beat you. And you know,
Speaker 1: the other part of it, like with Micah and Trayvon
Speaker 1: for that matter, is when they can do it, like
Speaker 1: immediately in their career the rookie year, Micah comes in
Speaker 1: and he's able to do what he can. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. Well, you'll love this about Treyvon and
Speaker 1: you can talk about your little deal you did with him.
Speaker 1: But so he comes to do his little thing and
Speaker 1: somebody said, well, what do you what do you need
Speaker 1: to improve on this year? And he said, oh, well
Speaker 1: everything he and somebody asked him. He goes, so, got
Speaker 1: to take fewer chances and he goes, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about chance and they go, well, you know,
Speaker 1: gambling on stuff. He goes, I don't take chances. I
Speaker 1: play football, And I said good for you, right, and
Speaker 1: he kind of gave a smile, but it was sort
Speaker 1: of a smile like okay, take that right, and he
Speaker 1: and they're right. Everybody see what happens on TV? Is
Speaker 1: they him get beat and it's like he took a chance. No,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just get beat. Yeah, that guy gets paid
Speaker 1: over there too, Right, you getting beat and the guy
Speaker 1: puts a good move on you. It wasn't like you
Speaker 1: were going for a dick, right or or I think
Speaker 1: that insinuation is the reason he has so many guess
Speaker 1: because he's gazing. Yes, that's what they think exactly, and
Speaker 1: he's not. He didn't gotten beat, right, so but he yeah,
Speaker 1: he took a little exception to chances. I thought it
Speaker 1: was good. So what were you alluding to with Everson
Speaker 1: and Trayvon? What do you tell Everson? Why don't you explain? Well,
Speaker 1: why don't we do that when we come back here
Speaker 1: on twenty minutes? Anywhere? There was an interfacing between Everson
Speaker 1: and Treyvon. Is that what you're saying a little longer
Speaker 1: than the one you put? Okay, interfacing that's kind of
Speaker 1: sounds sloppy, But Everson will clear it all up and
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Speaker 1: get to over the final forty minutes as we get
Speaker 1: you set for an open media day here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. As the Cowboys have an OTA today,
Speaker 1: another one tomorrow, and then it's minicamp week next week Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday. But let's and we're gonna talk some
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz coming up here. We're gonna talk positions of
Speaker 1: some concern as we hit the summer months here. But
Speaker 1: let's get started here with Everson and Trey Vaughn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a nice little get together. Let's put together
Speaker 1: by guest Blue Star Productions. They wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, just have a little documentary. I guess you
Speaker 1: call it. It's going to be it's a documentary that's
Speaker 1: deep blue. Thank you getting docked. Yes, that's cool stuff, man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we we just kind of talk about the
Speaker 1: similarities between our uh we're really lack of similarities between
Speaker 1: our careers. As we got started and it was all
Speaker 1: about leading up to those eleven interceptions nineteen eighty one
Speaker 1: and his eleven interceptions this past season forty years later. Uh,
Speaker 1: eleven picks. I thought he was gonna get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't play that last game. I think he was
Speaker 1: doing me a favorite. I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: he wanted that. He didn't want that. There's too much
Speaker 1: pressure to carry around those eleven interceptions for forty He
Speaker 1: wanted the team network should talk about Everson for another
Speaker 1: year when it makes another run at the market, which
Speaker 1: he said he is going to do, all right, he
Speaker 1: said he's going to make another run at eleven. I
Speaker 1: told him to go with God because he will never
Speaker 1: be able to get the NFL rookie interception record that
Speaker 1: I told him. You can have the rest of it.
Speaker 1: You can take those forty years off my back. I
Speaker 1: will see you later when I got that NFL rookie record.
Speaker 1: That's something I can hang my head on. That's right.
Speaker 1: Did they have some videos so he could see your interceptions? No,
Speaker 1: we didn't do any of that. But it was a
Speaker 1: lot of just you know, posing and picture taking and posturing,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had to come up and shake
Speaker 1: each other's hands. You guys have see it pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, the guys were very good at how they
Speaker 1: did it. I hated all the you know how it is.
Speaker 1: You gotta do the one take and to take. Hey,
Speaker 1: we'll try it again, and yeah, but it was fun
Speaker 1: and the last time we did it that he's a
Speaker 1: sharp young man. He's just very shoy. He's a sharp
Speaker 1: young man. The last time we greeted each other, he
Speaker 1: made it. He made it look better than the previous
Speaker 1: three times that we did it, and it really kicked
Speaker 1: off the entire document. He did a good job. It's
Speaker 1: like pulling teeth out of him though to get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah he doesn't. Yeah, but he's not like you in
Speaker 1: that respect. No, No, I definitely did all the talking.
Speaker 1: I definitely did all the talking and kind of maneuvering
Speaker 1: the interview a certain way. But they did a great
Speaker 1: job because you know, when it came to the questions,
Speaker 1: it was pretty organic on you know, things we talked
Speaker 1: about and what it led to. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was strange at all, because you know, the questions were
Speaker 1: so direct and poignant, you know, to where it went
Speaker 1: direct to directly to what the director was trying to do,
Speaker 1: and and we just had a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of fun catching up. And really my first time meeting
Speaker 1: and face to face is my first time meeting and
Speaker 1: face to face. I'm happy to say I'm about it.
Speaker 1: As just as tall as he is. That's like I said,
Speaker 1: just as tall as he. I thought I was shrinking.
Speaker 1: I'm not shrinking yet, that was I was right there.
Speaker 1: I kept stretching my net, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: standing next to him, So Siga, I think he was flouting,
Speaker 1: but I was like, you know, straight up, Okay, So
Speaker 1: he's not like you as far as an outgoing personality.
Speaker 1: How is he like you as a football player? Well,
Speaker 1: we thought just as we start talking about the things
Speaker 1: that we see when we play, Yes, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: we go we go down the same path. You know,
Speaker 1: we can go down the same path hand in hand
Speaker 1: talking about the same things. Because it was all about
Speaker 1: the instincts that you have. The question that they asked him,
Speaker 1: you kind of anticipate those questions and you get offended
Speaker 1: because it sounds like they're trying to say you're guessing,
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't come about eleven interceptions by
Speaker 1: just guessing, you know, and the plays that you give up,
Speaker 1: it's not because you went after an interception. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: play that you gave up because that guy on the
Speaker 1: other side was balling that day or that play. And
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, many guys get beat,
Speaker 1: but do does the quarterback see it? Right? You see
Speaker 1: that's what you're about. You can get beat a lot,
Speaker 1: but does the quarterback see that? And that's a lot
Speaker 1: of times you missed that. In the game, we talked
Speaker 1: about how you know you have the ability, uh at
Speaker 1: an early age to be successful. That's something a lot
Speaker 1: of people really just don't experience. I came out of
Speaker 1: course my rookie year, I'm leading, I'm leading the league
Speaker 1: with with I'm not even starting and I'm leading the
Speaker 1: league from the bench. Well, here it is. This guy
Speaker 1: steps out and you know you expect, can't expect that
Speaker 1: from him, but here it is. You're catching up with
Speaker 1: a with a number that hasn't been done in for
Speaker 1: the years. So you don't really think about it as
Speaker 1: you're doing it. It just becomes part of your DNA
Speaker 1: as you're playing. And we just kind of talked about
Speaker 1: how instinctive that was, how you're not going out there
Speaker 1: looking for it. You're just going out there, as he said,
Speaker 1: and football, right, yeah, just the way it was, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's it's amazing in our business that somebody should
Speaker 1: write this book, the Book of Assumptions, right, because people
Speaker 1: just assume things right, and got to ask that question. Right.
Speaker 1: So if you remember midway through the season or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, do you think quarterbacks are gonna
Speaker 1: quit throwing your way right because you're intercepting the past. Well,
Speaker 1: if you put him or you on the best receiver,
Speaker 1: the other team's not gonna say, I'm not throwing to
Speaker 1: my best receivers, right, he's my money man, I'm coming
Speaker 1: after that guy, right, Yeah, no, No, you got the
Speaker 1: thing with that was you know we kind of I
Speaker 1: did the talking on that one. Wasn't you're gonna be
Speaker 1: on the best receiver. You know they're gonna throw it
Speaker 1: to that best receiver. You know that they're gonna put
Speaker 1: it on the money to that best receiver. So when
Speaker 1: you cover a guy and you're in position, you are
Speaker 1: the receiver now, because when that ball comes in there,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where he throws it. If he if
Speaker 1: he's in the vicinity of his receiver then I'm going
Speaker 1: to be the receiver. You understand, if he's if he
Speaker 1: throws that ball on time the way he always does,
Speaker 1: and this is what they practice, this is what makes
Speaker 1: them good, then I'm going to be there too. Anticipate
Speaker 1: that move that he made you you basically they fall
Speaker 1: into their own traps. This is what we do. We know,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. Say, that's why if you're waiting
Speaker 1: on you, and that's how you make your plays. See,
Speaker 1: you make plays on bad passes. You make plays on
Speaker 1: good passes because you're in good position to make the play.
Speaker 1: And I think and I think the other part of
Speaker 1: it is and you had disability. He has disability to
Speaker 1: judge the ball in the air. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but catch it too, right, because I guarantee you when
Speaker 1: when they come up and no one knows who anybody
Speaker 1: is and they put together a football team, the coach
Speaker 1: is looking for if you can catch it, well, you're
Speaker 1: my receiver. Right. And he was a receiver as was I,
Speaker 1: as was you. And also the ability to judge the
Speaker 1: ball from playing baseball. Now he didn't play baseball. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, and just and just think about
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders. He played baseball, right, so you have this
Speaker 1: inaidability to judge the ball in the air. And if
Speaker 1: you we saw last year some of his interceptions compared
Speaker 1: to Trey Vons, and it was the ability to judge
Speaker 1: the ball in the air. You know where it's going
Speaker 1: to come down. Yeah, And that's why we talked about
Speaker 1: because of our experience at wide receiver, we know what
Speaker 1: they're running. I mean, we've run the route before. You
Speaker 1: can used to the stem is still the same, you know,
Speaker 1: the little tree for the little routes, It's still the same.
Speaker 1: Now you can put all kind of moves into it
Speaker 1: that but you're still going to be in a certain
Speaker 1: spot at a certain time. So that never changes. And
Speaker 1: I always you always remember that as a player. That's
Speaker 1: the first thing I learned was football, was how to
Speaker 1: run the tree, you know, the route tree. And so
Speaker 1: now you know what they're doing. I know where to
Speaker 1: look at it, I know when to look at it.
Speaker 1: And not only that, talking about playing baseball out of
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've told the story many times because in
Speaker 1: my book, I couldn't see the damn ball in the air.
Speaker 1: It was moving all over the place when I was
Speaker 1: at center field, I'm running all on my heels, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't know how. I'm nine
Speaker 1: years old, I think, so, you know, I just asked
Speaker 1: my dad, who was the best coach I've ever had,
Speaker 1: and he was so simple with it. Son, just run
Speaker 1: on your toes. So he's probably out there looking at me, like,
Speaker 1: but this guy is an idiot. My father was so
Speaker 1: athletic and he looks at me and these the things
Speaker 1: were so innate to him. Son, just run on your
Speaker 1: toes and it was like magic. The there it is
Speaker 1: the but I can see the seams, you know, and
Speaker 1: next thing you know, I'm Willie Mays. I'm catching everything.
Speaker 1: And so that's some ship what he went through. What
Speaker 1: d you guys as well? There's a point to where, Okay,
Speaker 1: you conquer that and you're on your way. You conquer
Speaker 1: that thing that you couldn't do, and you you get
Speaker 1: rid of that, and that's all it was waiting on
Speaker 1: for the rest of your instincts to kick in. Happens
Speaker 1: to a lot of kids. So running on your toes,
Speaker 1: that keeps your eye levels, it keeps the ball, it
Speaker 1: keeps your vision from bright like running with the cell phone.
Speaker 1: That so when you running your toes. It all smooths
Speaker 1: out because otherwise you running on your head right and
Speaker 1: then run like you have to run as if you're
Speaker 1: your your your legs are shock absorbers. You know, Ben
Speaker 1: your knees a little bit. Don't run straight legged, get
Speaker 1: on your toes. And Brad Sham the only guy ever ever,
Speaker 1: he said, I knew you were gonna get it because
Speaker 1: your gate changed, and he knew my gate change. When
Speaker 1: you saw that, then that means that I'm running running right.
Speaker 1: But then you started looking at the ball. You gotta
Speaker 1: get on your toes. And he saw that difference. And
Speaker 1: he's the only person to ever see that difference in
Speaker 1: me besides my dad. We talked about the center fielder
Speaker 1: for the Rangers last week, you know Eli white Man.
Speaker 1: He came up and he were talking about him. He
Speaker 1: robbed the Tampa Bay Ram home running was so cot
Speaker 1: feet over the face right there, whatever, right there. He
Speaker 1: had two more catches the other night in Cleveland, and
Speaker 1: one of them was a diving catch on the warning
Speaker 1: track where he just had to lay out whatever, and
Speaker 1: then another one was a back handed going the other
Speaker 1: way where he was able to slide. But to your point,
Speaker 1: on what Brad said, He knew that your gate change.
Speaker 1: He knew you were gonna make an interception because your
Speaker 1: gate change. All right, the analytics on that baseball player
Speaker 1: is apparently you know, they do all the analytics on
Speaker 1: how far he had to run, how fast he had
Speaker 1: to go, And he and Evan Grant tweeted this out
Speaker 1: yesterday that the well, the analytics say that the second
Speaker 1: catch was more difficult than the first catch, but if
Speaker 1: you watch both catches, it was clear the first catch
Speaker 1: was infinitely more difficult. He said. He dove on the
Speaker 1: warning track face first and he snow coned it whatever.
Speaker 1: But on the other one, his gate changed. I mean
Speaker 1: he could. It was like Everson intercepted the pass whatever.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's crazy, man, man, we all do it.
Speaker 1: We just don't know we did it, all right. My
Speaker 1: dad had to tell me. Those guys probably you know,
Speaker 1: conquided themselves. They okay, figure it out, but just so happened.
Speaker 1: I had somebody to tell me, and they made me
Speaker 1: develop quicker. I'm coaching, man, and nothing better than coach.
Speaker 1: I loved playing baseball, I just have. I just loved it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it. What position did you play well.
Speaker 1: I was no infield, and I could see anybody fear
Speaker 1: though you were a second base start stop until the
Speaker 1: base has got to be ninety feet. Then my arm
Speaker 1: wasn't stronger. So who were you? What? What? What major
Speaker 1: league player were you? Louis Epper recently, no man that
Speaker 1: was the same side. I batted lead off because I
Speaker 1: was small, I can get walks, and then you know,
Speaker 1: everybody infield was the best thing to for practice, right,
Speaker 1: you'd play infield, so then when they hit the outfield,
Speaker 1: everybody was bored. I'd go out in the outfield and
Speaker 1: take some flyballs because I just thought that was that
Speaker 1: was the cool thing I wanted to be. Jim Landis
Speaker 1: jumping up on the outfield fence to catch a ball,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and then my arm wasn't strong enough.
Speaker 1: But getting back to trade arms, yes, I think I
Speaker 1: think this year, I think he's gonna be even better
Speaker 1: if I compare it to mine after my rookie year.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at my rookie year as his second year,
Speaker 1: because he really started to develop this past season. I
Speaker 1: could see him getting better, getting smarter. I remember after
Speaker 1: my second year playing was a strike year. But I
Speaker 1: had seven picks in nine games. And it wasn't just
Speaker 1: about the numbers. It was the field that I had
Speaker 1: after that rookie year, you know, giving up a lot
Speaker 1: of big players my rookie year, Like, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: that this year. I got even better. And that's without
Speaker 1: the speed and the ability that he has. I mean,
Speaker 1: with this guy, he's got it. I think he can
Speaker 1: run as fast as he wants to. So remind me
Speaker 1: eighty two, did you play nine straight games and then
Speaker 1: the rest got canceled until the playoffs? I think we
Speaker 1: played two then came now that was eighty seven. You
Speaker 1: played two and eighty seven before the strip. That's the case.
Speaker 1: Then in eighty two, now nine, you did nine nine
Speaker 1: and then you didn't play and then they had to
Speaker 1: turn it. Right, Yeah, they'll look it up for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm right though. All right, you
Speaker 1: sit there and you talk for two seconds. But now
Speaker 1: I truly think, because you know what that year, that
Speaker 1: year when they when the strike happened. So I'm working
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Mississippi, and uh NBC they got no games, right,
Speaker 1: so they decided they were going to do a Division
Speaker 1: two game, uh and it was not Belle Haven. It
Speaker 1: was another small college. How was that surprised that we
Speaker 1: didn't play? How are they surprised well at something. No,
Speaker 1: they weren't surprised. They just got to a point they
Speaker 1: needed to do games. What what did you say into
Speaker 1: you played two games? Two? And then I thought that
Speaker 1: was eighty seven? They did two and eighty seven was right.
Speaker 1: You did two and then miss two and then came
Speaker 1: back and did the other seven and then the other
Speaker 1: seven after missing the seven. Well, in eighty seven they
Speaker 1: did two and then missed three with the replacement players,
Speaker 1: and then came back and played the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they did a small college thing like Division two.
Speaker 1: They brought in all the broadcasters, they brought in all
Speaker 1: the TV production to this little field that looked like
Speaker 1: a high school field, right and uh, and did a
Speaker 1: game live for television to film some space on a Saturday.
Speaker 1: That a two game kind of reminds me. A two
Speaker 1: season reminds me of what they did with the bubble
Speaker 1: in the NBA. It was so quick and I almost
Speaker 1: it was like put together the last minute seemed like
Speaker 1: And as much as I enjoyed that season, I had
Speaker 1: a hell of a season, and we actually went back
Speaker 1: to the championship game again. But it just seemed like
Speaker 1: it was just so abbreviated. It didn't seem like a
Speaker 1: real season. You know, when you're up playing nine games
Speaker 1: versus sixteen, that's kind of weird. I mean, you just can't.
Speaker 1: Even in high school you played more games in that, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in eighty seven, actually they actually ended up only
Speaker 1: playing fifteen games because one got canceled before or are
Speaker 1: they played the three replacement player games. But I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna come back. I think Tray Bond is going
Speaker 1: to be even better. He may not get the picks.
Speaker 1: I know, if they would played an entire season, I
Speaker 1: probably would have gotten more than eleven. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's ready to do that, but I think he
Speaker 1: has that ability because he I promise you, he's seeing
Speaker 1: things a lot clearer now based on especially based on
Speaker 1: that season he had last year. It's not just the
Speaker 1: confidence that you have, it's your anticipation seems to get better,
Speaker 1: and I think his anticipation would be better. And if
Speaker 1: we think about it, he only played a couple of
Speaker 1: years at quarterback in college. Right, he was a wider
Speaker 1: He talked about before he go he talked about how
Speaker 1: many intercessions he missed his rookie year. He said he
Speaker 1: probably could have gotten eleven. I can't remember that many misses.
Speaker 1: But he's like, if he wouldn't have missed so many,
Speaker 1: he would have gotten done even better than he did
Speaker 1: this year. And I know Everson talks about this, but
Speaker 1: we don't talk about this enough. That Everson second year
Speaker 1: of the league, he only played nine games in heads
Speaker 1: having picks right. Yeah, Like I said, I know Everson
Speaker 1: talks about that a lot. But one guy, well, guy,
Speaker 1: I feel the one guy, one reporter, this is for
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He was James Lofton told me this.
Speaker 1: They went in the room talking about voting and one guy, well,
Speaker 1: he only got seven interceptions his second year. The guy
Speaker 1: didn't even know it was a strike year. Why And
Speaker 1: Lofton told me he had to chastise the guy, like,
Speaker 1: you don't even know what your your voter, You don't
Speaker 1: even know how many games that they're playing. Well, the
Speaker 1: other part of it is, I don't understand playoff games
Speaker 1: are more important than regular season games, and those don't
Speaker 1: count and count, yeah, don't count their extras? Crazy and
Speaker 1: So you think about Charlie Waters, you know his career
Speaker 1: was very good, but you look at his playoffs. Damn,
Speaker 1: guys got like he's like one of the tops in
Speaker 1: the history and playoffs in deceptions and who thinks of
Speaker 1: Charlie Waters when you think of that, But that that
Speaker 1: just goes to show that's the clutch player, Right, that's
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Speaker 1: job bags see you know people like sing songs together
Speaker 1: or due It was bot do have I so have
Speaker 1: the read back here and I knew what was going
Speaker 1: through your mind searching for that copy where's it at?
Speaker 1: Because I know it was right in front of me
Speaker 1: tier headlights, I had. I had other stuff on my mind,
Speaker 1: the transition to like the Cowboys need linebackers and they
Speaker 1: worked out a couple of guys yesterday, okay names and
Speaker 1: also I do not uh and also the fact that
Speaker 1: uh they will have Tilbert and Osta Diggy Zoo back
Speaker 1: in practice Jalen Tilbert, not Tony Tilbert. Yeah, this week,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have a bunch of guys out with
Speaker 1: soft tissue injuries. That might be surprising to you guys.
Speaker 1: So it's like everybody should like today. So when the
Speaker 1: tweets come out this afternoon at after when they can
Speaker 1: start tweeting with observations shocked, working on the chords, be
Speaker 1: working on the chords with Britt. Yeah. Absolutely, So there
Speaker 1: will be a few guys and I and it happens
Speaker 1: right this time of year, and you're not used to
Speaker 1: doing a lot of football stuff and you get out
Speaker 1: there and you strain a hamstring or whatever. So there'll
Speaker 1: be a couple of guys being held down. And I
Speaker 1: think what they're probably trying to do is hopefully get
Speaker 1: them ready for them three day mini camp to be able.
Speaker 1: Not that the mini camp practice is any different than
Speaker 1: these OTA practices, but they probably want them to get
Speaker 1: in there for that. So there'll be a little bit
Speaker 1: more conservative with this one that's open to the media
Speaker 1: in about an hour. Yeah, okay, Dalton Schultz, Um, what
Speaker 1: do you make of the Dalton Schultz situation? Right? Very predictable.
Speaker 1: We talked about it last week, right, except that they're
Speaker 1: Johnny come Lately because I'll guarantee you the reason that
Speaker 1: his agent told him uh no tas and win't going
Speaker 1: to mini camp was because the negotiations were stalling. But
Speaker 1: the problem was they signed the franchise tag. So once
Speaker 1: you signed the franchise tag, you are guaranteed one year
Speaker 1: ten point nine three million for a tight end, right,
Speaker 1: and you're obligated to do everything the team does if
Speaker 1: you're under contract. Now, if you're going to try to
Speaker 1: create some leverage, don't sign the franchise tag, all right?
Speaker 1: Is this unusual? Is this unusual for a player even
Speaker 1: though he signed the franchise tag, it feels like he
Speaker 1: deserves more right to make this move. This is not unusual,
Speaker 1: It is not unusual, but you should not sign it then,
Speaker 1: you Now he is subject to being fined if he
Speaker 1: misses mini camp practices right now because you're under contract. Now,
Speaker 1: the downside of not signing and trying to continue to
Speaker 1: negotiate and hold out is they can pull the tag
Speaker 1: from you and then you're really in trouble. But I'm
Speaker 1: thinking a guy that in four years in the NFL
Speaker 1: made three million dollars and now he's guaranteed ten point
Speaker 1: nine he ain't missing anything right now. He missed might
Speaker 1: miss practice. That's only going to hurt him, right because
Speaker 1: if you do end up playing on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: you better have a good year to market yourself for
Speaker 1: next year, right, because next year they're probably not going
Speaker 1: to tag him again because then it's a twenty percent
Speaker 1: increase in what you just made so late. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a statement, okay, and has that I'm not
Speaker 1: happy as has that statement do you think? And has
Speaker 1: that statement ever worked before? I don't know that it's
Speaker 1: changed the dial it has that ever worked? It depends
Speaker 1: on how it turns out. Right, did did you get
Speaker 1: a long term deal that you wanted or did you
Speaker 1: get a long term deal that the team wanted? Because
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys would like to sign him. We
Speaker 1: talked about it last week. Right, They would like to
Speaker 1: sign him to a long term deal because they don't
Speaker 1: want that cap hit for one year to be ten
Speaker 1: point nine. You signed him to a long term deal,
Speaker 1: give him a signing bonus. You spread that over the
Speaker 1: life of say four years, and his cap hit this
Speaker 1: year might be five million, because you'll get a basically
Speaker 1: a million dollar based selling And there is a deadline
Speaker 1: on that. Yes, it's got to happen by July fifteen.
Speaker 1: And even with that you've got a player that you
Speaker 1: know is disguanted. Sometimes this power move might work. And
Speaker 1: as a player, I'm going to try what I can. Right,
Speaker 1: I would tire so I didn't have to pay fines
Speaker 1: and train account. I mean, I was twenty four years old, retired.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: So my thing is, has this ever worked? And I
Speaker 1: also point out how OTAs can really screw up negotiations
Speaker 1: because you really don't know what's going on in the
Speaker 1: front office between the player and the negotiating right, and
Speaker 1: as soon as OTA's come up, whoever doesn't show up.
Speaker 1: Oh we got a problem. You know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: we were having the problem with Shels. Yeah, yeah, were
Speaker 1: having problem with Sheolts because OTA's are coming out. He's
Speaker 1: not coming Oh well I thought we were cool. Now
Speaker 1: we're not cool. So those OTAs, they can bring up
Speaker 1: a lot. And Donald's right back. Look, look, he was
Speaker 1: gonna retire, right, And I told you last week the
Speaker 1: reason he was going to retire was because he had
Speaker 1: three years left on his contract. He was gonna make
Speaker 1: fourteen million this year, but none of that money was
Speaker 1: guaranteed anymore. Right, And he's going, you know, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned what he said. He said, well, this is not
Speaker 1: about the money. Uh, it's business. And I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: it is about the money, right, money is the business.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly he got a forty million dollar raise
Speaker 1: and over the next three years now all ninety five
Speaker 1: million is guaranteed. His tune changed to, Hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to get back at this and get another ring. Right yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, same he gets he gets a lot
Speaker 1: of money as well, right, And as an extension, what
Speaker 1: the OTAs? They bring it all to lights because you
Speaker 1: don't have to be there for the OTA's right. Remember
Speaker 1: the old it was quarterback school, now it was it
Speaker 1: was what was it was a voluntarily mandated Yeah, voluntary?
Speaker 1: What do voluntary? Bean? So what's the what what do
Speaker 1: you think the uh? What's the purpose? Here's what happened
Speaker 1: to to sit out this year. Here's what happened, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week. The tight end at Cleveland,
Speaker 1: the Negochu however you say it, Uh ended up getting
Speaker 1: franchised and they signed him to a four year deal
Speaker 1: averaging fourteen million a year, and his numbers were half
Speaker 1: as much as and they're they're they're, uh, they're negotiating
Speaker 1: on what they think this guy can be more so
Speaker 1: than what he did. And I think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: looking at it, and you know, they probably think Schultz
Speaker 1: topped out this year seventy eight catches, eight hundred and
Speaker 1: eight yards um, eight touchdowns. Now can he get better?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's by necessity. And there was nobody
Speaker 1: else open, so that's by necessity almost obs And I
Speaker 1: don't want to say he's a system tight end, but
Speaker 1: I think the system helped what was going on and help.
Speaker 1: But again again my question is, so what what purpose
Speaker 1: is Schultz? What? What? What is his purpose for, you know,
Speaker 1: for sitting out this week? And I think one of
Speaker 1: the reasons might be that, Okay, you think you can
Speaker 1: go without me long term? Right, see what else you
Speaker 1: got out there on the practice and guess what happened?
Speaker 1: And this is this. You get an opportunity throughout for
Speaker 1: a whole week here to see if you don't have me,
Speaker 1: not just this year, but going forward next year, what
Speaker 1: do you have at tight end? So do you think
Speaker 1: this was a coincidence? They had one guy of their
Speaker 1: nine that hadn't been signed of their draft choices and
Speaker 1: he signed ed guy named Jake ferguson tight end in
Speaker 1: the fourth guy, some guy, some guy. Now the other
Speaker 1: side of what you just said, as Parcels would say,
Speaker 1: the other side of that pancake is what if they
Speaker 1: get this guy out here and now he's working with
Speaker 1: the first team and looked really good. Look at how
Speaker 1: Shelts got here the fourth round draft, fourth round. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember we're talking about first I just
Speaker 1: love Jarl because Jarvon could out maneuver for anybody. Next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, Scholtz is doing the same thing, and he
Speaker 1: was kind of doing it as Joan was a starter.
Speaker 1: I remember him making a great third down in three
Speaker 1: catch from that. I mean, we needed it. It was
Speaker 1: just one of those many third chain movers. But it
Speaker 1: was Sheltz doing it. At that time, he was not
Speaker 1: the starter, Like, wow, this guy's not just a blocker,
Speaker 1: because at that time that's what he came in. As
Speaker 1: I said, this guy has good hands. Sure enough, Joe
Speaker 1: goes down. Now he's looking like jar one, right, So
Speaker 1: is there another Shelts out there? They're hoping, I would
Speaker 1: imagine they're hoping that they can make a compromise and
Speaker 1: get a long term deal. And what Schultz's guys are
Speaker 1: trying to do is get guaranteed money down the line,
Speaker 1: not just one year of guarantee, because I would if
Speaker 1: something happens. And now you go into free agency and
Speaker 1: your market value is just driving of course, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's his right. Yeah. Is he gonna makes
Speaker 1: next week though, Mack? And do what now? Will he
Speaker 1: miss next week? Though? Oh? Well, next week? You're subject
Speaker 1: to being fined if you missed the mini camps. No,
Speaker 1: it's mandatory now on the CBA. If you're not there,
Speaker 1: you get fine. That's why I just said subject. You
Speaker 1: don't have to christ right, Yes, first day you missed
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty dollars, second day you
Speaker 1: missed thirty one thousand, nine hundred eighty and third day
Speaker 1: you misses forty seven thousand nine. Those are those, Okay,
Speaker 1: so those are on top of each other. Yes, yet
Speaker 1: ninety five whatever it is. Yeah, but to your seen teams,
Speaker 1: excuse that. But I don't know now that they can't anymore.
Speaker 1: Can't you can't. It's part of the CBA that if
Speaker 1: you get fined, they can't when you sign a contract.
Speaker 1: But if you agree to a long term contract, you
Speaker 1: just you just say, okay, I just put that in there,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, And that's what they do, right. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep an eye on the tight end position today, okay,
Speaker 1: and okay, positions of concern as tight end right now?
Speaker 1: Um so, and that second tight end who emerges as
Speaker 1: a second tight end is a position of concern, I mean,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's an important I mean, can if Schultz
Speaker 1: is there, is it Ferguson? You know, is Sean McEwan
Speaker 1: stepping up? Can he do anything? We're gonna have We're
Speaker 1: gonna come out. Peyton shot the college and you know
Speaker 1: they've got Sprinkle and then ian Um bunting bunting, so
Speaker 1: they've got numbers. But again, you know who can come
Speaker 1: in as that second tight end and really help you out.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things because they
Speaker 1: love their tight ends. Mike McCarthy loves the tight end,
Speaker 1: two tight ends in his offense. And you know, they
Speaker 1: did it a lot last year, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how good they were at it. Uh to the point
Speaker 1: where they sent the guard to tight end right to
Speaker 1: block McGovern the guard that's gonna have to start at
Speaker 1: left guard, left guard, right. Yeah, he didn't tell you,
Speaker 1: guys want to talk about that. I can educate you
Speaker 1: on the importance of what that was. So and by
Speaker 1: the way, he also is working at tackle too. Tyler
Speaker 1: Tyler Tyler Smiler. First round. So when they when they
Speaker 1: give Tyrn Smith a break, he didn't need to be
Speaker 1: out here for OTAs. But what's he learning, right, So
Speaker 1: he'll he'll come out and first team and Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: will go in there and play left left guard at
Speaker 1: the left tackle. And then at this they have at
Speaker 1: the line as far as the line's concerned. They just
Speaker 1: got Tyler in over. He's second team guard. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern still working with the first team now. Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick came in here and he was the first team
Speaker 1: center from the day one of OTA because they didn't
Speaker 1: have anybody else to do it. Okay, huh who was
Speaker 1: going at it now besides at center? Yeah? Uh. Last
Speaker 1: year's seventh round dropped choice. I think it was yes
Speaker 1: getting the good He was a guard. They moved of
Speaker 1: them the center, so we'll see. But he's the backup
Speaker 1: right now. And then McGovern can also do that and
Speaker 1: they may put his hand on the ball also once
Speaker 1: we get the training. So if Tyler does if Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith does well at god uh, then they might then
Speaker 1: McGovern because it shelters here at first, And then Tyler
Speaker 1: does well at guard. What you think of mcgovernor center,
Speaker 1: they could let him compete and at least see they
Speaker 1: need a backup center they like be oddish and they've
Speaker 1: been working Braylon Jones there too, right, okay, but you
Speaker 1: also have on game day you would love that your
Speaker 1: backup center can also play guard Joe Looney. Right, then
Speaker 1: you save a spot on your on your active list. Right,
Speaker 1: So if McGovern can do both, that that's a that's
Speaker 1: a bonus. And then the other thing of concern on
Speaker 1: the line would be, Okay, who's who's my backup? Who's
Speaker 1: the swing tackle? You know? Right now they think maybe
Speaker 1: will let's ski, Well, let's go starry yeah? Um? And
Speaker 1: so now can he do both? But they don't know that,
Speaker 1: and he's a rookie. Is he better than some veteran
Speaker 1: you can pick up off the street. You have Josh
Speaker 1: Ball as well, and Ball's been playing right tackle the
Speaker 1: majority of it. So we'll see where that one goes
Speaker 1: all right, So any other positions of concern, Um, my
Speaker 1: second wide receiver since Michael Jay is out right now,
Speaker 1: is James Washington? Can he fill that role? Are we
Speaker 1: asking too much of Jaalen Tolbert didn't have both? Didn't
Speaker 1: James have a book? He's out of the boot, out
Speaker 1: of the boot, he's out of the book. He's doing
Speaker 1: resistance stuff with brit right now. So maybe he's ready
Speaker 1: for Mini camp. If not, I'm sure they're looking at
Speaker 1: with a veteran like that, just be ready to start.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping an eye on the waiver wire today. Okay.
Speaker 1: That would be Travin Howard, the linebacker from the Rams
Speaker 1: out of TCU, Okay, actually had the clinching interception in
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game in January, and he was let
Speaker 1: go buy the Rams yesterday because they signed Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: to that big contract and they had to do something
Speaker 1: with their salary cap, and they have a salary cap.
Speaker 1: He was on the restricted free agent tender and which
Speaker 1: is a two point five four million dollar deal and
Speaker 1: which isn't guaranteed, so they just cut him and decided
Speaker 1: that if he's going to be a backup linebacker, then
Speaker 1: two point five is too much. I'll find me a
Speaker 1: young guy for eight hundred thousand. So they're saying, if
Speaker 1: someone else picks him up off waivers, and if not,
Speaker 1: then he's free agent. Figure out what he goes for.
Speaker 1: Then Vicky Tolber's back at practice. Is that correct? Yes? Uh?
Speaker 1: That yeah? And and uh so Tilbert, you know, is
Speaker 1: he ready to be I mean till and is he
Speaker 1: the third guy? Right? Is he ready to step into
Speaker 1: that until Gallup gets back? Who, by the way, now
Speaker 1: is out there doing grass drills ahead of schedule. He's well,
Speaker 1: they're always ahead of schedule. Now is are you ahead
Speaker 1: to actually put some pads on and actually play football?
Speaker 1: I tell you who's running really well as Jabril cox U.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a good chance that he could
Speaker 1: be ready for the start of training camp. If not,
Speaker 1: they put him on pup, you know, let him do
Speaker 1: some stuff for a week and then get him out
Speaker 1: in pads, just to make sure, because what you want
Speaker 1: to do is make sure that he can do all
Speaker 1: that stuff, uh before you say okay, we're taking him
Speaker 1: uh and putting him on the ninety man roster. So
Speaker 1: because if you can keep if he's not ready, then
Speaker 1: you keep him on PUP and that way he can
Speaker 1: start on PUP at the beginning end of the season
Speaker 1: if he gets to that point. And they've changed the
Speaker 1: rules on that where it's a four games they sit
Speaker 1: out or sentimum six. They switched it from six to four.
Speaker 1: That's right. With the other thing with that, and that
Speaker 1: applies to Gallop right where if he's on PUP, then
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to sit six games before he's eligible
Speaker 1: to come off. It's four right and so um, same
Speaker 1: would apply with bro Cox and and that that those
Speaker 1: players don't count against the fifty three at the final
Speaker 1: cutdown day if they're on PUP from through throughout preseason. Um, so,
Speaker 1: do you guys have a position you're worried about? I
Speaker 1: was alluding to the linebacker position, just depth and so forth,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Trayvan Howard, which by the way,
Speaker 1: vander Esh had a really good answer when he was asked,
Speaker 1: uh something about yeah, I looked like at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, Uh, you you were coming on, you
Speaker 1: were you were being more productive. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you get if you play me the whole game.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, and he's right, because the end
Speaker 1: of the season, his last six games, he had thirty
Speaker 1: of his eighty six tackles in twenty one were in
Speaker 1: the last two or three games, so he really was playing.
Speaker 1: And the reason on linebacker I say that is because
Speaker 1: of Cocks unknown unknown, and I want to be I
Speaker 1: want to have someone who can play linebacker to free
Speaker 1: up Parsons. When Parsons is not playing linebacker where you
Speaker 1: can where you don't feel obligated that you have to
Speaker 1: play him at linebacker because you don't have it right,
Speaker 1: there's a falloff in ability from where he is. And
Speaker 1: the guy that would do that is Cox. But at
Speaker 1: this point you don't know. I mean he and you
Speaker 1: need he had nine season. At this point you're you're
Speaker 1: taking the bunch of linebackers and all and also safeties
Speaker 1: to play and making them linebacker. Right. My concern is
Speaker 1: who the hell is going to play safety? Because we
Speaker 1: talked about being able to track that ball down. You
Speaker 1: can't just use anybody. I say, just what decent last year,
Speaker 1: But towards the end of the season, we fell off
Speaker 1: the kick that the key thing will be Malie Cooker.
Speaker 1: Can Malie Cooking? Now, remember last year, he's coming back
Speaker 1: from torn achilles. Uh, can he get back to that level? That?
Speaker 1: Uh was incentive enough for the Colds to use a
Speaker 1: first round pick on him? Right? Can he play? And
Speaker 1: that Ken Marquis that's right, b Deamonte and Casey and
Speaker 1: and that's what I want to know. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly what And now no started and Donovan Wilson too,
Speaker 1: I was are you coming out there to look? Did
Speaker 1: you see what I saw? I want? I talked to
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. Okay, he's got named Quinn. Some I've
Speaker 1: got named Quinn. No, No, he really did he insider training.
Speaker 1: I talked to him about Marquis Marquis Bell, I did
Speaker 1: Marquis Bell, and of course he had his idea. Is
Speaker 1: I really like to see him a linebacker? You know,
Speaker 1: because because Queenn loves these hybrid safety linebackers curse right
Speaker 1: of course. But then I I want to see more
Speaker 1: Wilson's Okay, I want to see more Donovan Wilson's back
Speaker 1: there guys that yeah, well, and once again you're coming
Speaker 1: from deep. I want to I want your deep first,
Speaker 1: and I also want those guys that's gonna come up
Speaker 1: and make those plays. He can't stay healthy because he's
Speaker 1: throwing his body in there so much with reckless abandon
Speaker 1: which I love that. So if you're gonna have if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some safeties, I need some safeties like that,
Speaker 1: but that can also stay healthy. Marquis Bell might be
Speaker 1: one of those guys. But you keep changing, and I
Speaker 1: know that's it's worked for him. You keep changing these
Speaker 1: excellent athletic safeties and putting them as a hybrid linebacker.
Speaker 1: Now you're leaving your safeties. You got some safeties back
Speaker 1: there who may not be as and and you need
Speaker 1: so many safety's. It's like he can't have enough cornerbacks
Speaker 1: well now and the way they're playing defense now and
Speaker 1: these sub packages, you can't have enough safety. So the team,
Speaker 1: So did you eyeball Marquise? I told I saw him,
Speaker 1: and I told uh, I asked. I almost said, hey,
Speaker 1: but coach, you know what I mean, you really need
Speaker 1: to have him. And I had to stop myself because
Speaker 1: I'm you know, my thing is, I'm a safety corner.
Speaker 1: I want to see somebody and go back there and
Speaker 1: make plays in the ball, which is exactly what I
Speaker 1: told him. I want to see somebody can make plays
Speaker 1: on the ball d I mean gathering himselves to go
Speaker 1: up and make the book. I said, from what I've
Speaker 1: heard and from from what I've seen, he can do that.
Speaker 1: But once again, Quinn loves those hybrids and he loves
Speaker 1: putting that pressure on him, so the quarterback can't can't
Speaker 1: get out like the way he wants to, and to
Speaker 1: create matchup problems of course. Uh in blocking, well, he
Speaker 1: need to keep an eye on forty one to see
Speaker 1: what he does. And in the mini camp and then uh,
Speaker 1: you know they only got one kicker there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Garabay, Texas Tech. I hear he's kicked well so far.
Speaker 1: But again he doesn't have any competition. I saw where
Speaker 1: um who let him? Oh uh, this guy had a
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. He had a Tristan Viska. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had. He had to work out with New England
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. We're going to bring him in for
Speaker 1: workout if but the Cowboys had Ravens need a kicker.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea. But on vacation
Speaker 1: so they don't wear out Tucker. They did that as
Speaker 1: a favor to his agent. Hey can you bring my
Speaker 1: guy in? Because people will say, what why if the
Speaker 1: Ravens they got a great kicker, the Cowboys had kicker.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys had this guy you know in here for
Speaker 1: two or three months in twenty nineteen when they were
Speaker 1: looking for another kicker, and then they cut him right
Speaker 1: before the draft. So they had seen him before. But
Speaker 1: I just saw where he's. He's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that I mean, he's He's kicked six games with Cleveland,
Speaker 1: one game maybe with the Jets or something like that,
Speaker 1: and the rest of this time, six teams he's been
Speaker 1: on l still the squad they might have to count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe one of those will free up his problem. His
Speaker 1: problem was last year he only made ten or fifteen
Speaker 1: extra points in those six Kay, we've seen that before
Speaker 1: the show on that one. All right, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: OTAs today minicamp next week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We think, okay,
Speaker 1: and we think we'll have a mix shots next week.
Speaker 1: We think, but ill then don't don't count on the
Speaker 1: day or time. Chill, then have a week great ota
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