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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: mood Kohlil must be released on bail. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today, the Mary Trump Shows

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Speaker 1: Own Mary Trump stops by to talk about Trump's devolving

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Speaker 1: mental state. Then we'll talk to the American Federation of

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: So Molly Josh Hawley, who some fools pretend could become

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Speaker 3: I don't want to BELI le anyonet here, but this

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Speaker 3: guy does what's best for him. He's saying Trump's budget

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Speaker 3: bill faces a nightmare scenario.

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Speaker 2: Dun dun, dull And what's the nightmer scenario That there's a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of bullshit at the big bullshit bill.

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Speaker 1: I think the nightmare scenario is what they're living right now,

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Speaker 1: which is the pulling this bill is fucking awful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we had Jake Sherman Welcome to the Resistance, Jake Sherman saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's welcoming hisself there.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be in there.

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Speaker 1: But he's saying that the polling, both the internal and

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Speaker 1: the public polling, is terrible. Here we have the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post gop budget bill faced nearly two to one opposition,

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Speaker 1: with many unaware. So if you this is like Project

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Speaker 1: Right here we go. Democrats oppose the bill. Independent you

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Speaker 1: may have heard of Independence. Republicans need them to win elections,

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Speaker 1: like this bill, and wait till they learn about it,

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Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: So this bill does all the things that are unpopular.

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Speaker 1: It cuts medicaid, right, it cuts food stamps for children,

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Speaker 1: but it also grows the deficit. Really, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: think of a less popular bill than this. I think

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Speaker 1: that what Hall is saying is not so much that

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Speaker 3: Like good logic to me, and I don't often agree

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Speaker 1: It just sounds like logic, right, Like there's a difference

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Speaker 2: Is that normal politicians are like, hmmm, logically. I mean

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Speaker 3: That's a very well put way of saying it. So,

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Speaker 4: This is very weird.

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Speaker 1: If you think about it, if victims of and we

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Speaker 1: and you think about it, like you should be able

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Speaker 2: What more lawsuits? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But the point here is that Juneteenth is a day

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, all right, So I always save the

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Speaker 3: scariest for last. Pandemic preparedness experts are saying that our

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I wrote this book about

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Speaker 2: Which I just plug endlessly, but.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you about people's underestimating Donald, and it's

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Speaker 2: He's a failure. He is a serial failure.

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Speaker 5: But I think the other thing that's been underestimated is

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Speaker 5: he's not here because of any special skills he has.

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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, so with Kennedy, I mean one difference.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, he's also an egomaniac and a narcissist, and he's associopath.

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Speaker 2: But he's not as powerful as Elon Musk. He's not

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Speaker 5: He's not in Donald's perception, He's not superior in any way,

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Speaker 5: He's not in any competition with Donald because he's insane

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Speaker 5: Most people do know what Musk was up to, because

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Speaker 1: Is up to, right right, right, right exactly, and Donald

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Speaker 2: No. No, because he's the one who created these conditions.

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Speaker 5: Long as he got what he wanted, which is to

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Speaker 5: And that is turning women into second class citizens who

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the guy doesn't have very good judgment.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he gets ideas in his head. But

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Speaker 2: But again, much of what Kennedy is doing is under

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Speaker 5: And even if he did, maybe that would make him

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Speaker 5: Trump always chickens out. Let's talk about taco, because this

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Speaker 1: you see it with Iran, right, he was going to

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Bannon coming out against this, and as Jones

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Speaker 5: But to the extent that he still is cognitive such

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Speaker 2: To do it without admitting that he was wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's in the taco. The d is silent, but it's

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Speaker 6: So I think again what worries me about Kennedy is

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Speaker 5: Now, Aron's different, or is war and you know with

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Speaker 2: But I'll get back to you in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: The point of no return.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid, right, no question. But like Steve Bannon went

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Speaker 5: I think the problem here is that you're looking at

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Speaker 5: Maybe in during his first the beginning of his first administration,

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Speaker 5: don't have any faith in their ability to see what

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Speaker 5: is really going on. If we did, we already did

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Speaker 5: have an outbreak of a horrific disease that was killing

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Speaker 5: people by thousands every single day.

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Speaker 1: It didn't change their minds. If anything, it got them here.

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Speaker 1: Mary Trump, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mother, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Randy Winegarden is the president of the American Federation of

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Speaker 1: Teachers and the author of the upcoming book, Why Fascists

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Speaker 1: Fear Teachers.

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Speaker 7: Welcome to Fast Politics, Randy Winingarten, how are you. I

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Speaker 7: am in the morning, Joe greenroom wearing curlers, So I'm great.

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Speaker 7: But we wanted to make this happen this week because

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Speaker 7: there's just a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And the thing we really want to talk about was

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Speaker 1: what's happening at the DNC. You've left the DNC. You

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Speaker 1: are one of the great labor leaders, right you won't

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Speaker 1: be studied in history books.

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Speaker 8: You lead the teachers Union, you are a champion for teachers' rights,

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Speaker 8: but you also served in the DNC in a sort

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Speaker 8: of advisory capacity. I would love you to talk about

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Speaker 8: why you left the DNC.

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to go through all the ins and

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Speaker 9: outs and the what happened, because that's not a I'm

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Speaker 9: really a proud Democrat, and I've been on the DNC

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Speaker 9: since I think two thousand and two, and on the

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Speaker 9: Rules and Bilows Committee since two thousand and nine, and

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Speaker 9: that's a long time, you know, in political life, that's

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Speaker 9: a very long time. What both Lee Saunders and I

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Speaker 9: decided was that we would not after we were asked

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Speaker 9: to be reappointed, we would decline the reappointment, and we

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Speaker 9: both set letters in doing that and didn't intend those

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Speaker 9: letters to be public. But what happened is I talked

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Speaker 9: to my members and my and you know, got around

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Speaker 9: and you know, so I basically gave the letter to

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Speaker 9: the New York Times and frankly asked them. You know,

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Speaker 9: the New York Times figured it out, and I asked

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Speaker 9: them to wait until No Kings before they put it out.

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Speaker 9: So that's essentially the timing of what happened. The letters

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Speaker 9: were dated. My letter was dated early June. The issue

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Speaker 9: that I am focused on right now, and you saw

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Speaker 9: it my letter had you know. The line in the

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Speaker 9: letter was that it was clear that, you know, I

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Speaker 9: had a different view about how to enlarge the tent

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Speaker 9: in terms of the Democratic Party. And frankly, when you

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Speaker 9: have a different view and it's clear that the chairman doesn't,

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Speaker 9: you know, has a different view than you, I got

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Speaker 9: a lot of work to do and so I decided

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Speaker 9: to do it outside of the party. That's essentially what

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Speaker 9: I said, That's essentially what I thought. That's what the

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Speaker 9: last six months have looked like to me, and that's

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Speaker 9: why I did what I did. The dilemma I have

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Speaker 9: is this The conversation right now should be about what

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Speaker 9: we as Democrats need to do, including the party, not

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Speaker 9: an internescing squabble about who said what to who. And

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Speaker 9: right now, the Reconciliation Bill, it's so bad for regular people.

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Speaker 9: It's such a huge shift of wealth from the poor

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Speaker 9: and the working class to the wealthy.

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Speaker 2: The party should.

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Speaker 9: Be all in on this right now. There should be

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Speaker 9: a surround sound to what you know Schumer and the

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Speaker 9: Democrats are doing in the Senate, to what Jeffreys and

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Speaker 9: the Democrats were doing in the House. Because the more

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Speaker 9: people know about this bill, the more.

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Speaker 2: They hate it.

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Speaker 9: So this bill is a study in contrast between who

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Speaker 9: Trump really is and what you're trying to do in

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Speaker 9: the country.

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Speaker 2: And that's what the.

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Speaker 9: DSc should be doing constantly right now, like every single letter,

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Speaker 9: an ad campaign, talk to the people around the country

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Speaker 9: about it. And since can actually has you know, this

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Speaker 9: great relationship with all these state party chairs, do a

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Speaker 9: fifty state strategy right now. So that's an example, a

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Speaker 9: clear example to me, like you know, the four unions,

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Speaker 9: Anya s CiU Aft asked me, you know, we put

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Speaker 9: a bunch of money in to actually educate the public

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Speaker 9: and to try to lobby Congress to not cut RURLD

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Speaker 9: hospitals and to not cut medicate. That's what the Democrat

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Speaker 9: part should be doing too.

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Speaker 10: Is some of this an ideological debate between whether or

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Speaker 10: not the DNC is supposed to be storing upstate And

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Speaker 10: I'm not pushing back because this is like a real question,

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Speaker 10: because I don't think anyone really knows what the DNC

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Speaker 10: is supposed to be. Is the DNC supposed to be

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Speaker 10: a sort of larger top line, you know, messaging apparatus,

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Speaker 10: And and if so, what is it suppose me?

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Speaker 2: And what has it historically been.

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Speaker 9: If we're having that conversation right now publicly or privately,

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Speaker 9: right the Democrats have lost the debate right every organ

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Speaker 9: of the Democratic Party right now in response to the

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Speaker 9: last election. The policies that we propose, in my judgment,

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Speaker 9: I mean, I've been Democrats all my life, are one

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Speaker 9: thousand percent better, oh, in terms of how we help

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Speaker 9: create a better life and the opportunity land of the

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Speaker 9: you know, land of the free and home of the

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Speaker 9: brave America. How we create an opportunity for all Americans

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Speaker 9: marginalized and those who are not marginalized. When there's a

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Speaker 9: debate about whether the party is supposed to be calling

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Speaker 9: bulls and strikes in terms of a presidential election or

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Speaker 9: shoring up the fifty you know parties all across the country,

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Speaker 9: then what's happening is American people say, oh, you're talking

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Speaker 9: about your little club and you're not actually focusing on

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Speaker 9: my needs. I think that the clear message from the

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Speaker 9: last election, because I think Biden was a transformational president

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Speaker 9: if you look at the economic foundations, what he tried

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Speaker 9: to do with industrial policy, how he tried to move

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Speaker 9: things and you can't move things in a day. And

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Speaker 9: in fact, even this new polling is showing that even

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Speaker 9: though people don't like what Trump is doing economically, if

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Speaker 9: it's explained to people, people are willing to give a

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Speaker 9: president a benefit of the doubt if it's communicated about what.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to do.

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Speaker 9: Biden was doing that it wasn't explained to people. People

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Speaker 9: didn't see what the Democrats were doing. They connected enough

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Speaker 9: people unfortunately connected to Trump and you know, his emotional

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Speaker 9: connection to them as opposed to what Biden did. So

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Speaker 9: my view is that the party you know, just like Union,

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Speaker 9: you have to operate and do four things at the

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Speaker 9: same time. You have to actually communicate with people about

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Speaker 9: who we are and what we're doing and why, and

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Speaker 9: be people's champions.

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Speaker 2: I don't care who you are within the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: That's really true.

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Speaker 1: So I know that there are ads right now on

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Speaker 1: television about the BBB, right, the Big Beautiful Bill, which

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Speaker 1: is bullshit, and it pulls very badly.

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Speaker 2: It polls badly. I thought when you said BBB, I

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Speaker 2: thought you said you were talking about build back better.

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Speaker 1: And now now the Big Beautiful Bill which got through bigly,

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Speaker 1: which got through the House, but is now having a

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Speaker 1: lot of problems in the Senate. So the polling is

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Speaker 1: just awful. It's bad. The public polling, the private polling, bad, bad, bad.

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Speaker 1: And basically what this bill does grows the deficit and

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Speaker 1: also just cuts and cuts, and it does it does

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Speaker 1: four things, but it does four things that are really terrible.

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Speaker 2: First, there is no coherent strategy.

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Speaker 9: On how you build and grow the economy. The economy

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Speaker 9: in the United States of America for working people.

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Speaker 2: You have to do two things.

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Speaker 9: You have to grow it and you have to make

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Speaker 9: it more fair. You have to do both of those

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Speaker 9: things I'm sorry at the same time, and this bill

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Speaker 9: does neither. What it essentially is it is a shift.

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Speaker 9: It's a further shift of income or of wealth from

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Speaker 9: the poor to the wealthy. And it does that by

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Speaker 9: doing by not only keeping all the corporate and the

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Speaker 9: business I'm sorry all the wealthy tax cuts from twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 9: but it doesn't actually do any of the things that

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Speaker 9: incentivizes the tax system to grow the economy, and in

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Speaker 9: fact it hurts it because all of those things that

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Speaker 9: we're helping with the Inflation Reduction Act and tax credits

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Speaker 9: and whatever build new green economy, it cuts that, So

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Speaker 9: it doesn't help on the economy. Number two, it's a

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Speaker 9: shift of income from the poor to the wealthy. Number three,

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Speaker 9: it really really really hurts people in rural hospitals and

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Speaker 9: our grandparents who you need to use Medicaid to be

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Speaker 9: in nursing home. So it's gonna hurt kids, it's gonna

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Speaker 9: hurt rural hospitals. It's gonna hurt our grandparents. It's gonna

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Speaker 9: hurt or our parents. It's going to hurt all of that.

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Speaker 9: Number Four, it kills the nutritional progress and the.

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Speaker 2: Threat snap which is child food stamps for children.

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Speaker 9: Stamps and all the nutritional programs for children. So it's

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Speaker 9: really really hurts kids. It's also there's a terrible boutcher

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Speaker 9: piece on it, But I want to get to the

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Speaker 9: last piece, which nobody knows. It really is a terrible

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Speaker 9: measure that hurts security and safety of people because what

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Speaker 9: it does there's a hidden provision in there that says

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Speaker 9: states can no longer do anything in terms.

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Speaker 11: Of the guard rails AI. How is it that you

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Speaker 11: can actually tell states we can't protect people against a

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Speaker 11: machine and the federal government is doing nothing about it.

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Speaker 11: It essentially says to people who want to make a

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Speaker 11: surveillance state, here's the green light to do it. And

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Speaker 11: so we never regulated this social media. We get social.

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Speaker 9: Media the immunity, and look at what is happening in

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Speaker 9: terms of attention of our kids. Look what is happening

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Speaker 9: in terms of the algorithms, the addictive quality of this

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Speaker 9: and now hidden in this bill is basically saying, Okay,

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Speaker 9: big tech, you can do everything you want with AI.

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Speaker 9: It is an anti safety bill. It is a way

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Speaker 9: of shifting wealth, and it really hurts the people who

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Speaker 9: need governmental work for them, and it does nothing to

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Speaker 9: help spur on innovation in the economy.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I would say it hurts it. That's why

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Speaker 2: we have to educate people on this bill and use

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Speaker 2: every organ we can to do that. I wonder how

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Speaker 2: much of where we are is an inability or refusal

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Speaker 2: on the part of government to regulate really anything.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about that? Like we have technology? You know,

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Speaker 1: I actually was at a party where I heard a

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Speaker 1: United States Senator complaining about how there's no fact checking

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Speaker 1: on the Internet, and I thought to myself, well, isn't

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Speaker 1: that odd a person who could have regulated fact checking

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Speaker 1: on the internet complaining about how there's no fact checking

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Speaker 1: on the internet. Would you sort of talk through how

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Speaker 1: are electeds both on the left and the right have

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Speaker 1: refused to provide any regulation.

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Speaker 9: What unfortunately has happened in in so many ways is

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Speaker 9: that the bureaucracy seems to get in the way of progress.

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Speaker 9: And I say this as a school teacher whose members

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Speaker 9: many times hate the bureaucracy and hate a whole bunch

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Speaker 9: of rules and regulations that are thrown at them that

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Speaker 9: create a lot of paperwork. And I think most Americans,

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Speaker 9: probably since Reagan, kind of experienced government as not being

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Speaker 9: efficient and as a result kind of are what gets

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Speaker 9: obscured is all the important things that government does. So

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Speaker 9: I want to start that way because's because of course

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Speaker 9: we need regulation.

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Speaker 2: Of course we need guardrails.

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Speaker 9: Of course we need things to create a level playing field,

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Speaker 9: and that's what government is supposed to do. You want

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Speaker 9: the guardrails to make sure that planes fly safely, but

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Speaker 9: no one would question the regulations about making sure that

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Speaker 12: Or the regular Oh wow, no, yes, now, same person

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Speaker 12: should be questioning that, And then I would say the

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Speaker 12: same thing in terms of so much else in government.

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Speaker 9: If someone is getting discriminated against taking education, really like

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Speaker 9: a kid who has a disability and the school is

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Speaker 9: not functioning for that kid, or the kid is in

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Speaker 9: a wheelchair and the school that the kid goes to

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Speaker 9: she's on the fourth floor and there's no elevator. You

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Speaker 9: can't do that to a child. So there is a

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Speaker 9: way in which a parent can then say this is

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Speaker 9: not fair for my kid.

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Speaker 2: That's what government should do.

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Speaker 9: So we have to figure out a way to balance

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Speaker 9: between having affect efficient government and not overly bureaucratic and

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Speaker 9: bureaucratized government. So that is how most people experience it

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Speaker 9: what we're seeing right now with President Trump, and we

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Speaker 9: saw it with President Reagan as well, but this one,

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Speaker 9: this time, it is much more excessive. They want to

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Speaker 9: get rid of all the rules. And what essentially then

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Speaker 9: happens is you go back to a situation of kings

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Speaker 9: and Mars, where the people who have the power keep

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Speaker 9: the power and everyone else has nothing. And because how

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Speaker 9: do regular people then navigate that, how do you still

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Speaker 9: have social security, how do you still have medicarea, how

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Speaker 9: do you have a basic safety net? And with AI

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Speaker 9: and with all of this technology coming in all of

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Speaker 9: a sudden, the tech companies then in some ways become

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Speaker 9: the mini government because they're the ones that own the data,

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Speaker 9: they're the ones that have the machines, and they're the

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Speaker 9: ones that base a crete control information. And if you're

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Speaker 9: not having guardrails around that about disinformation, about privacy, about

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Speaker 9: making sure that the human being is in control of

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Speaker 9: the machines, then we are in a world that we

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Speaker 9: have never been in before. So right now, regulation, I

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Speaker 9: would say, of all the things of that bill, that

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Speaker 9: is the most dangerous, this piece that doesn't allow states

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Speaker 9: after the federal government refused to do it to actually

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Speaker 9: regulate to make sure it keeps.

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Speaker 2: Its citizens safe.

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Speaker 9: That's the most dangerous part of this big, ugly bill.

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Speaker 2: Oh, if you are a person listening to this podcast

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Speaker 2: and you are freaked out, what should you be doing.

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Speaker 9: You should be calling and writing your senator right now,

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Speaker 9: your governor right now, particularly if you're in a red state,

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Speaker 9: and say, do not pass this bill. Do not do

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Speaker 9: this to us, do not make us less safe, do

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Speaker 9: not hurt our American dream.

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Speaker 2: Should you explain why marching and organizing like does If

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Speaker 2: you're a person listening to this podcast and you are like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I should go to this protest.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be July Forest protest, now, tell us

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Speaker 2: why you should.

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Speaker 9: Let me put my Civics teacher hat on, Molly, and look,

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Speaker 9: you know, I am honored. Let me just also say

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Speaker 9: I'm honored that my union is the fastest growing union

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Speaker 9: now in the.

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Speaker 2: In the afl CIO.

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Speaker 9: We're the second largest nursing union now, we're the largest

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Speaker 9: high red union now. So what we're saying is this,

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Speaker 9: and this goes to this question. When things are not

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Speaker 9: working and they're not fair, and they're not working for people,

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Speaker 9: and you have anger rather than aspiration, dominating the public

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Speaker 9: discord In terms of America. I teased before about America

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Speaker 9: is the land of the Free and the home of

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Speaker 9: the brave. I've been rereading the Constitution and rereading the

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Speaker 9: Declaration of Independence, and those words about aspiration and about opportunity.

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Speaker 9: They didn't, you know, the founders didn't always do the

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Speaker 9: right thing, as we all know, but those words opportunity, freedom, justice, liberty,

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Speaker 9: and so they are moored in the people. We elect

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Speaker 9: representatives to try to do our work, but they're moored

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Speaker 9: in the people. And when those representatives, whether it's the

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Speaker 9: president or whether it's the Congress, was supposed to be

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Speaker 9: three branches of government and then two systems, the federal

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Speaker 9: system and states. States did some stuff. The federal system

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Speaker 9: did some stuff. That's our constitutional democracy. When they're not

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Speaker 9: doing the right thing, there's two choices. You can give up.

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Speaker 9: You can say, okay, I'm not going to deal, or

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Speaker 9: you can fight. And frankly, what we learned two hundred

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Speaker 9: and fifty years ago from the colonists is they fought.

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Speaker 9: That's the only reason we have our country.

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Speaker 2: They fought the monarchy.

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Speaker 9: They started an army two hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 9: to fight the monarchy, to have no taxation, without representation,

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Speaker 9: to have freedom. And so if we don't fight, we're

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Speaker 9: not going to have freedom. We're not going to be

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Speaker 9: able to give our kids and our grandkids a country

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Speaker 9: where we can speak like you and I are speaking

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Speaker 9: right now. And I often say to my conervative friends,

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Speaker 9: I want to have a country that we have freedom,

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Speaker 9: so you and I can fight with each other, so

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Speaker 9: we can fight about policy. But but if the people

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Speaker 9: don't fight right now, We've learned this from history. Every

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Speaker 9: time you go from a democracy to a dictatorship, or

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Speaker 9: you go or you see dictatorship, or you see authoritarianism,

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Speaker 9: it's because the people weren't on the street and didn't fight.

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Speaker 9: And so the second piece I would say is this,

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump creates.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fear. Remember what he said right before

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Speaker 2: the protests. You know if you it's going to be

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Speaker 2: met by huge force.

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Speaker 9: Every other word out of his mouth is fear and bullying,

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Speaker 9: and fear and bullying. When there's one person, you can

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Speaker 9: bully one person. If there are millions of people on

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Speaker 9: the streets like we had this weekend, people then see

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Speaker 9: each other. They create it creates courage, Courage becomes contagious,

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Speaker 9: and for everyone to see the millions of people that

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Speaker 9: were on the streets this weekend, millions. What it says is,

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Speaker 9: regardless of what do you think about labor union, is

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Speaker 9: our public education. I'll fight the fight about public education.

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Speaker 9: I'll fight the fight about labor unions, regardless of what

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Speaker 9: you think about all that or a snap, or you know,

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Speaker 9: of so many other issues. What is enduring in America

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Speaker 9: is that we have to have the voice and the

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Speaker 9: right to have our lives. And that's why we have

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Speaker 9: to fight. That democracy gives us the right to fight

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Speaker 9: for a better life, That democracy gives us the right

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Speaker 9: to fight for our families, that democracy.

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Speaker 2: Gives us the right to have a future. And that's why.

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Speaker 9: We have to be on the street because Donald Trump

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Speaker 9: doesn't care about it, and so many people in the

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Speaker 9: Senate and the House don't care about it. So we

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Speaker 9: the people have to take that power again that we

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Speaker 9: have together and fight to make sure our kids and

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Speaker 9: our grandkids and our great grandkids have a country where

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Speaker 9: they are free.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brandy wineguard.

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Speaker 13: No more perfectly Jesse Canon Molly, I have to tell

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Speaker 13: you something, as if you don't know this because we

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Speaker 13: don't experience this every day.

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Speaker 3: The base of the Democratic Party really really is over

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Speaker 3: its leadership.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you know how we know this.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot of indicators.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, when you walk outside the

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Speaker 3: you edit, you see all those flags, that's us with

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Speaker 3: red flags of this subject.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we are really the two of us are quite liberal.

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Speaker 1: We are partisans, we are liberals. We completely believe in

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Speaker 1: the democratic policy.

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Speaker 3: I think an important distinction, even to say for people's

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Speaker 3: I think something that sets us apart from a lot

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Speaker 3: of other people who do what we do is we

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Speaker 3: have more of a foot in activism than many of

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Speaker 3: these people. Many people cover from a journalistic perspective, we

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Speaker 3: are actually people who are pushing for these subjects to

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Speaker 3: get enacted and for the party to be stronger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also just think, you know, we really

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Speaker 1: do believe in this stuff. But I'm telling you, I

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Speaker 1: was on this book tour and everywhere I went people

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Speaker 1: were furious at leadership, furious, furious, furious, and like they

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Speaker 1: were just mad. They felt like their leaders were not

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Speaker 1: working for them. And also I might add, you know

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Speaker 1: we've seen on this podcast when we have elected, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times people do not want to hear them.

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Speaker 1: So it is a real problem, and this is now

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Speaker 1: really reflected in the data, So let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing and this is polling. It's what we are seeing,

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Speaker 1: but it's also what I think is happening. Sixty two

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Speaker 1: percent of Democrats polled say the party needs new leadership.

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Speaker 1: Democrats seek they want focus on economic issues ahead of

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Speaker 1: the midterms. They think that rank and file Democrats see

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Speaker 1: disconnect from party leaders. Who are the party leaders, that's

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Speaker 1: Jeffries and Schumer. So that's what these people are saying.

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Speaker 1: They feel Schumer and Jeffries are not doing what they need.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think they feel this way about

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Speaker 1: Chris Murphy. I don't think they feel this way about

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Speaker 1: Corey Booker. I don't think they feel this way about

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Speaker 1: their governors. I think they feel this way about the

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Speaker 1: leadership because they feel the leadership is not leading. Now again,

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Speaker 1: if you call up Jeffries's office, which I happen to often,

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Speaker 1: do they feel that they are leading? Right, they feel

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Speaker 1: they're doing everything they can. But clearly the polls do

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Speaker 1: not feel like this, and we're seeing, you know, Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom who is at best controversial, at worst infuriating to

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, not super liberal, but is a

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Speaker 1: very talented politician, does come from California, did have Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk on his podcast, which kind of undermined him and

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon. People don't trust us, They don't think we

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Speaker 1: have their back on issues that are core to them. Now,

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Speaker 1: I actually think that that's not really true. But clearly

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Speaker 1: something is wrong here right these polls show something is wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to really take a hard look

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Speaker 1: at finding leadership that appeals to people, that connects to

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Speaker 1: them the way AOC does or even Chris Murphy does.

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Speaker 1: Right like, there are definitely people Jasmine Crockett, These people

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Speaker 1: are connecting with Democrats in a way that right now

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Speaker 1: Jeffries and Schumer aren't.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the most interesting things you can

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Speaker 3: see is like a lot of times people are like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: we don't know what to do. These people will never

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Speaker 3: be happy and say these things that are like very resigned.

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Speaker 3: When you look at how people's pulling goes up and down.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom's a great case tist for this. His pulling

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Speaker 3: went down when he did a bunch of ill advised

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Speaker 3: podcasts with some right wing people. When he started fighting

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Speaker 3: and fighting Trump, his pulling went up. With Corey Booker

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Speaker 3: started fighting, his Polley went from horrible to very popular.

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Speaker 3: The indicator of what to do here is not hit

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Speaker 3: it in the.

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Speaker 2: Weeds, right right, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really really, really really good point.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. This is not rocket science.

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Speaker 1: Your base wants you to fight, and if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: look like you're fighting, then it doesn't count, right like

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Speaker 1: they want you out there fighting.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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