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Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of things, but we're gonna get
Speaker 1: We're gonna dig real heavy into suppressors, which historically were
Speaker 1: called silencers. Everybody knows the old movies and you sneak
Speaker 1: in and whoever James Bond shoots someone with a suppressor,
Speaker 1: and who goes so not a silencer. The correct term
Speaker 1: would be a suppressor. And suppressors are more and more
Speaker 1: and more and more becoming part of the national conversation,
Speaker 1: more widely available, easier to get them, more information out there,
Speaker 1: people finding out that you know that a gun doesn't
Speaker 1: just have to be so loud that it damages your
Speaker 1: hearing and that makes your kids afraid of shooting and
Speaker 1: all that. And there's a remedy for this, which has
Speaker 1: been large, like over time, historically it's been like a pain,
Speaker 1: and he has to get a suppressor. Some countries. I
Speaker 1: always found this interesting. I remember being the first time
Speaker 1: I ever shot a suppressor. I was in Scotland and
Speaker 1: everything's suppressed in Scotland, and I said to a God,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they let you hunt with those, because
Speaker 1: this is twelve years ago, thirteen years ago. Like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe they let you hunt with those. He says,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they let you hunt without them. They
Speaker 1: don't shoot them without them, And it was weird. They're like,
Speaker 1: you got to go through hell to buy a gun
Speaker 1: in Scotland, but you can buy a suppressor anywhere you go.
Speaker 1: And America took the opposite approach. You can buy a
Speaker 1: gun in the gas station, but you like, but if
Speaker 1: you want it to be a little bit more quiet,
Speaker 1: you have to go through hell to make it quiet.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, uh, it's always struck me weird.
Speaker 1: And I used to think of it like this, like
Speaker 1: if they make if they make suppressors illegal or really
Speaker 1: hard to get, Like if guns just happened to be
Speaker 1: more quiet than they are, would they make a law
Speaker 1: that says you have to make it loud? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: the gun's the same. The suppressor doesn't change the performance
Speaker 1: of the gun. It's just they want it. They want
Speaker 1: to make it be that it's loud, or not make
Speaker 1: it be that it's loud. They want to preserve the
Speaker 1: fact that it's so loud it can cause damage.
Speaker 2: Right, Hey blame Jason Bourne. I mean really like that's
Speaker 2: that's the perception of what those things do to a gun,
Speaker 2: is that you can just go around and wax people
Speaker 2: and nobody hears you.
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Speaker 1: what year that was. Twenty twenty one, was deer Stands,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, was Fucked Up Old Taxi Dremy twenty
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Speaker 1: collection of old shitters. Nothing gross, no fecal matter, no
Speaker 1: toilet paper, just crazy, classic inventive old shitters out in
Speaker 1: the woods. Next year we're going to do fish cleaning
Speaker 1: stations or fishermen haven't decided.
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be cleaning stations.
Speaker 1: Well, if it is, there needs to be a scratch
Speaker 1: and sniff component, then you can scratch it and smell
Speaker 1: the fish cleaning station, which is gonna be like a
Speaker 1: hard technical thing to figure out. It's available.
Speaker 2: Now, why didn't we do that for the old shitters?
Speaker 1: Because they smell great, Because it's not gross, it's not
Speaker 1: people sent us gross photos. We didn't use gross photos.
Speaker 1: Some photos are so gross I didn't even get to
Speaker 1: see them. Seth filtered them out. These are great. There's
Speaker 1: one that's a we talked about it. There's one. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a western red seedar that's been howled out
Speaker 1: like the e walks or using it as a shitter.
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Speaker 6: You the best of the best.
Speaker 1: I can't decide. Last night, I was so fired up
Speaker 1: about this article that's on the metater dot com that
Speaker 1: I was gonna read the whole thing, but that would
Speaker 1: take so long.
Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of governor's tags, these are like backdoor governor's tags. Okay,
Speaker 6: is that the one you're talking about.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's the headline. Cala Hans quoted heavily in
Speaker 1: it case against Idaho man exposes black market for big
Speaker 1: game tags? Did it? Always? Cals is fair to say
Speaker 1: you want to take a stab at this? Should I
Speaker 1: tee it up?
Speaker 3: No? Go for it.
Speaker 1: In Idaho. No, you go explain what a black Explain
Speaker 1: how they work, what they call them, and what it
Speaker 1: is in Idaho.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say some redundant things here because it's
Speaker 3: just hard not not to. But it's the I'm already
Speaker 3: starting LAP land Owner Appreciation Program. LAP LAP is what
Speaker 3: it is. But I always say, like LAP program, which,
Speaker 3: how many programs do you need?
Speaker 1: When I was in the trades, we would get a
Speaker 1: per diem and all the guys would say that you
Speaker 1: get twenty five dollars per diem per day, not knowing
Speaker 1: that per diem is Latin for per day. And I
Speaker 1: would point this out.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, it means money. It needs lunch money
Speaker 3: per day. So uh yeah. A lot of states have
Speaker 3: some form of this, but basically it is an incentive.
Speaker 3: It's a tool that the state agency has that incentivizes
Speaker 3: land owners to either allow access or just use best
Speaker 3: practices like wildlife friendly fencing, habitat, you know, keeping good habitat,
Speaker 3: fringe areas, stuff like that. For for game species, like
Speaker 3: it's a recognition of the fact that a lot of
Speaker 3: wild game species that belong to all of us use
Speaker 3: private land heavily, and landowners with there's some different levels
Speaker 3: in here, but let's say six hundred and forty acres
Speaker 3: in Idaho can apply for their own draw system only
Speaker 3: consisting of other landowners with that amount of acreage or more.
Speaker 3: For big game tags in the state of Idaho, those
Speaker 3: tags are transferable. The original intent here would be like
Speaker 3: if you have a big chunk of ground and you
Speaker 3: have hired hired hands on that ground, ranch managers, et cetera.
Speaker 3: You can transfer that tag. It's a voucher. Then you
Speaker 3: take that voucher as the person who got the transfer
Speaker 3: tag to Idaho Fishing Game. You pay Idaho Fishing Game
Speaker 3: that the normal the counterfee for either a resident or
Speaker 3: a non resident or that dear elk whatever, and then
Speaker 3: you have a valid.
Speaker 1: Tag and then the issue it in your name.
Speaker 3: Yep, then it's in your name. And in Idaho's case,
Speaker 3: this tag is not good just for the private property.
Speaker 3: It's good for the unit. So they're unit wide tags.
Speaker 3: Now this system gets corrupt and it I don't know
Speaker 3: this for a fact, but I've been aware of these
Speaker 3: dealings for so long.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned this to me in the past. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: before this case came out where it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is like smoking gun shit right here.
Speaker 3: This is smoking gun stuff because it's a very high
Speaker 3: profile case. It's extremely well documented. The officer in this
Speaker 3: case took things very slowly and got everything you could
Speaker 3: possibly think of to you know, cross or Teas and
Speaker 3: daughter Eyse here. So, but the issue is it's illegal
Speaker 3: to either market the sale of a landowner tag or
Speaker 3: sell a landowner tag right there. They're not to be
Speaker 3: sold in Idaho. In Idaho, No, the these sales have
Speaker 3: been going on for a long time, and the way
Speaker 3: folks get around them is by saying, oh, I didn't
Speaker 3: buy the tag, I was given the tag. I paid
Speaker 3: for trespass across the property or through the property, or
Speaker 3: I stayed on the property, or you know, there's some
Speaker 3: sort of an exchange that would be legal or unregulated
Speaker 3: to cover up the fact that they purchased a landowner tag,
Speaker 3: which is illegal this particular case, they have this fella.
Speaker 1: Carl Stuter, Carl stud forty three. Who this guy's out
Speaker 1: of control. I want this guys out of control.
Speaker 3: I want nothing more than to let things settle down.
Speaker 3: Let this guy get out of the high positions that
Speaker 3: he's in because he's on several boards, high profile electric boards,
Speaker 3: and and have just a real good on the record
Speaker 3: sit down with him because he is kind of you know,
Speaker 3: hometown dude went to Lineman school. Agg family went to
Speaker 3: Lineman school, you know, not like an Ivy League school.
Speaker 3: And the guy's making crazy big bucks sitting on these
Speaker 3: major electric boards CFO title or CEO titles and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And he got just way in to paying
Speaker 3: his way through everything here.
Speaker 1: So here's something. The wardens they did a bunch of
Speaker 1: electronic you know, confiscations on X accounts. Everything he do
Speaker 1: something from his personal eye call out. He has a
Speaker 1: folder tags bought for twenty twenty three Ryan Smith ELK
Speaker 1: Muzzy fifty four fifteen K cash, Williams Elk Archery fifty
Speaker 1: four forty K cash, Ryan Smith fifty two a ELK
Speaker 1: rifle and Deer Muzzy ten K check Camus Creek Tags
Speaker 1: number one cash muzzy deer forty five fifteen K rifle,
Speaker 1: deer forty five fifteen K rifle, ELK forty five to
Speaker 1: ten K rifle anelope. One thousand, five hundred Camus Creek
Speaker 1: Tags number two Rifle, forty five archery, elk, five K rifle,
Speaker 1: forty eight rifle ELK five K rifle, fifty two rifle antelope,
Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred rifle, fifty two rifle, deer, ten
Speaker 1: K Camas Creek Tags number three rifle, forty five deer,
Speaker 1: fifteen K, rifle, forty five elk, ten k. He got
Speaker 1: a little bit over his limit that year, was shooting
Speaker 1: elk and then having his kids run down and get
Speaker 1: tags the next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's in illegal possession of wildlife he harvested.
Speaker 3: Like Montana, for instance, you could legally get more deer
Speaker 3: tags in the state of Montana if he took advantage
Speaker 3: of all the opportunities that are out there, then the
Speaker 3: state actually allows an individual to harvest. So there's actually
Speaker 3: a cap in Montana of maximum allowable deer you can take,
Speaker 3: even though you can get legal tags that you pay
Speaker 3: it for for more. In Idaho, as the same thing.
Speaker 3: This guy shot I think three elk bull elk le legally,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 6: It says the third one exceeded as beat.
Speaker 3: Okay, the third one yeah, so yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: was just doing some flat out poaching in there too.
Speaker 3: You can kind of read into this and just just
Speaker 3: this guy got onto a tear of throwing consequences out
Speaker 3: the window or just not karing.
Speaker 1: Some of the text exchanges. I found a fifty four
Speaker 1: muzzle loader tag open September twenty fifth bull elk. I'll
Speaker 1: take it, can you get it? Fifteen k? Yes, sir done,
Speaker 1: I'll take it for sure. Perfect will that be for you?
Speaker 3: So that's the other interesting thing here. There's like an
Speaker 3: intent to sell again, so he's setting himself up to
Speaker 3: be the middleman to then sell these tags at a
Speaker 3: higher price again. And there's some marketing going on here too,
Speaker 3: So it's something that's been known. It's hard to really
Speaker 3: for you know, these game wards are very widely distributed
Speaker 3: across the state. It's hard for them to take up
Speaker 3: all of their time to document a case like this
Speaker 3: and avoid those traps that are like, oh well, I
Speaker 3: didn't buy the tag, I bought the guys time or
Speaker 3: the access fee or whatever to dance around the law,
Speaker 3: and then if you want to go down like the
Speaker 3: conspiracy route, which is always fun, and I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that's the case here, but you're dealing with oftentimes very
Speaker 3: politically connected people that are in the egg industry in Idaho,
Speaker 3: which is a very very strong lobby. There's sometimes big
Speaker 3: money change in hands amongst other big money folks in
Speaker 3: the state or out of the state. And there's a
Speaker 3: question mark that lingers like, just why exactly if everybody
Speaker 3: knows about this, has IDFG not been more on top
Speaker 3: of it that we're just hearing about this case right
Speaker 3: now because it is very well known, not just in Idaho,
Speaker 3: but just in the circles in which people buy and
Speaker 3: sell tags.
Speaker 1: Jordan Siller's article goes on about a month after stud
Speaker 1: shot his second elk, he went hunting with his son,
Speaker 1: who shot an elk but couldn't recover it. Studter's son
Speaker 1: went home while Studter continued tracking the animal. At eight
Speaker 1: twenty five pm in October thirty, twenty twenty three, another
Speaker 1: of Stuter's son's texted his dad to ask whether he'd
Speaker 1: found the wounded elk. Studter said he couldn't find the
Speaker 1: original elk, but he quote shot a monster at one
Speaker 1: thousand and five yards. I'm terrible placed to get him out,
Speaker 1: but got him. His son asked whether he means a
Speaker 1: monster elk or deer and studor responds monster elk. His
Speaker 1: son texted back one thousand plus yards too, what like
Speaker 1: to call American sniper And that was the third elk
Speaker 1: to put him over his.
Speaker 3: Yep, put him into illegal possession of game.
Speaker 1: Then he's in a bunch of trouble too for driving
Speaker 1: around with a half dead antelope in the back of
Speaker 1: this truck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that which is just like not condonable, explainable in
Speaker 3: any any fashion. But he shot an antelope. And you know,
Speaker 3: the zone that he's in is a real interesting one
Speaker 3: because a rifle tag in there is extremely hard to get.
Speaker 3: He's in that the Stanley Basin extremely hard to get.
Speaker 3: And the landowners up there, there's several that are just
Speaker 3: like not they're like hunting their preserves, they're not they're
Speaker 3: not hunting friendly landowners. So getting a land owner tag
Speaker 3: up there would be real tough.
Speaker 1: So he incriminated him off in a text message too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big guys showed up seven hundred and sixty yards and
Speaker 1: wiped him out. But he passed out and woke up
Speaker 1: in the back of the Tacoma. He's a little bit
Speaker 1: old for Tacoma. Usually that's young whipper snappers. No, he's
Speaker 1: probably sitting on the edge forty.
Speaker 3: Five Yeah, real man of the people, you know sitting
Speaker 3: on the edge. Yeah. So yeah, Like I said, Mat,
Speaker 3: I think he would be a phenomenal like psychological case
Speaker 3: study for poaching and stuff once things cool down and
Speaker 3: he can speak for you.
Speaker 1: If convicted of all seventeen misdemeanors and all three felonies,
Speaker 1: faces a potential fine of hundreds of thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: in over twenty years in prison. That will not happen.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely not.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: I mean he can stroke a check, but I think
Speaker 3: that's never gonna happen. The thing that would make that
Speaker 3: would sting, right is they do right. This is a
Speaker 3: he could have stopped a long time ago and still
Speaker 3: gotten slapped with a hunting suspension, and so he is
Speaker 3: looking at a lifetime hunting bam, which you know, folks
Speaker 3: in that tax bracket they just go to New Zealander
Speaker 3: places where you don't need a hunting license or places
Speaker 3: that don't have that aren't part of the interstate compact.
Speaker 6: But you would think that I would hope that it
Speaker 6: would sting if he couldn't hunt in the United States
Speaker 6: of America.
Speaker 1: Any real bumber, dude.
Speaker 3: You always asked the questions, Yeah, oh, he's an enthusiast, right,
Speaker 3: it's just like, but.
Speaker 6: What he just like, I don't know how much the
Speaker 6: guy does, But does he just create instead of fish
Speaker 6: Shack South, he just creates his hunting camp South Africa
Speaker 6: and just does six months a year over there. And
Speaker 6: it's like.
Speaker 3: Whatever, Sure listen, and that's that's just right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, But there's no way. I mean this
Speaker 1: this stings. Yeah, I mean this is like embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely embarrassing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On a recent episode, I was talking about how some
Speaker 1: names you can just people are loaded, Like when your
Speaker 1: name's like Von Thurston, like like certain last names attract
Speaker 1: wealth in disguis.
Speaker 8: I wish that was the case.
Speaker 1: If it was Von and in a space Von Walking,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's a rich guy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd go over all right.
Speaker 1: This dude wrote in my name is Mark rich and
Speaker 1: I'm broke. So I said you. What if your theory worked,
Speaker 1: why would I not be loaded?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: One more quick hit we've been having. I've been having
Speaker 1: this debate with myself about whether uh like I had
Speaker 1: heard I don't know what it was long ago, I
Speaker 1: can't remember I heard. I had heard that the insurance
Speaker 1: companies car insurance companies advocate to reduce deer populations because
Speaker 1: they get sick of pan out all them, thanks Durkin.
Speaker 1: Then I said, but then I read somewhere that that's
Speaker 1: not actually true, and pack Dirkins said, where you read that,
Speaker 1: it's not true as you read it in my article
Speaker 1: at the meeater dot com. I'm like, oh, I knew
Speaker 1: I saw that somewhere. And he said, that's like an
Speaker 1: old wives tale that insurance companies push game agencies to
Speaker 1: lower dear numbers. And then half a Finger wrote in,
Speaker 1: and we just did that. We talked about this. Half
Speaker 1: a Finger wrote in to say, I've had insurance companies
Speaker 1: tell me that that's bs because they just pass it
Speaker 1: along to the consumer and they just factored all in
Speaker 1: and they're not going to spend money on things that
Speaker 1: may or may not be effective, right, It's just part
Speaker 1: of buying insurance. Well, this fella named Jacob updegraph. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that he tracks well rich. I don't
Speaker 1: think that attracts wealth up the graph. It needs to
Speaker 1: have more words to it, like you need if you
Speaker 1: want to be rich, you got to have a last
Speaker 1: name that's got individual words strung together, just a bunch
Speaker 1: of syllables, Like if it was Grace vond Sturtivant, we'd
Speaker 1: be like that lady's loading.
Speaker 4: Just got to add the bomb and.
Speaker 1: Then the money. We'll call uh, he says below us.
Speaker 1: This is so funny. Okay, he sends us in below
Speaker 1: is a link to Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance Priorities go.
Speaker 1: So here's the web page. I'm on it.
Speaker 6: Okay, Oh you can read it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm on it. I'm like it's like, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Kentucky Farm Bureau. Big on commitment. Do
Speaker 1: they spell commitment right? Yeah, big on commitment. And then
Speaker 1: what it says in black and white or whatever the
Speaker 1: hell you call it on your computer screen. It says,
Speaker 1: reduce the wildlife population, just like, no details, just reduce
Speaker 1: the wildlife population. End of sentence.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no it's not You're still on the email.
Speaker 6: This is what it says no under wildlife management on
Speaker 6: their State Priorities page, which is the state Priority issues
Speaker 6: for the Kentucky Farm Bureau for twenty twenty four. Under
Speaker 6: wildlife management, it states seek effective wildlife management that will
Speaker 6: reduce the wildlife population in an effort to alleviate continued
Speaker 6: crop in, livestock losses, automobile accidents, human injuries, and loss
Speaker 6: of life.
Speaker 3: So last session less legislative session in Kentucky, there was
Speaker 3: a bill that came through that would make it law
Speaker 3: that the board, the fishing game board in Kentucky would
Speaker 3: be under the jurisdiction of the Agriculture Committee. And yeah,
Speaker 3: and this line right here was like a huge, huge
Speaker 3: talking point. So Kentucky BHA and the Kentucky chapter of
Speaker 3: Safari Club International actually got together formed a basically like
Speaker 3: a lobbying group and just hammered the legislature over this
Speaker 3: the whole time to.
Speaker 1: Using that statement as evidence of objective.
Speaker 3: Yes, to say, hey, if the egg Committee is going
Speaker 3: to run fishing game, we're gonna probably have some conflict
Speaker 3: in the future. Yeah, and the build in pass it
Speaker 3: was a big, big win.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks coming down day, Cal. And here's an interesting
Speaker 1: one out of New York New York's meat transportation laws.
Speaker 1: I live in western New York near the Pennsylvania border.
Speaker 1: Myself and many others hunt both New York and PA.
Speaker 1: New York recently changed their laws to which now you
Speaker 1: are only allowed to transport d boned meat into the state,
Speaker 1: but a cleaned listen to this detail, A cleaned skull
Speaker 1: cap is allowed. It used to be you couldn't try
Speaker 1: transport the spinal column in brain matter. He says. I
Speaker 1: understand sort of because because of chronic wasting disease. I
Speaker 1: get that New York is being proactive in the spread
Speaker 1: into the state. But is there any quote science and
Speaker 1: he quoted science his quote, But is there any quote
Speaker 1: science that quartered deer with femur's shoulders, et cetera are
Speaker 1: spreading CWD? He's opened to the person that wrote in
Speaker 1: is open to the fact that he might be wrong.
Speaker 1: He says, maybe there is, And I'm just a dumbass.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, No, there's no. You can't link
Speaker 1: the out It's so hard to pin the outbreaks to
Speaker 1: specific occurrences. There's no documented case where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this CWD outbreak was linked to Bob who had a
Speaker 1: deer femur. It doesn't it doesn't work that way. You
Speaker 1: can't trace it like that, you just have They kind
Speaker 1: of go on on theory and guesswork. He says, but
Speaker 1: you can bring a cleaned skull cap And he goes
Speaker 1: on to say, like the thing the brain is touching
Speaker 1: is a hacksaw and a creek gonna kill those prion proteins. No,
Speaker 1: and what a pain in the ass to d bone
Speaker 1: a deer in the field and bring it home. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a huge pain in the ass, but I
Speaker 1: also prefer to keep the bone in on the front
Speaker 1: legs for roasts, and I use the rear leg bones
Speaker 1: for stock. And the more I think about it, it
Speaker 1: is a pain in the ass to totally d bone
Speaker 1: on my tailgate in the dark. He goes on. I
Speaker 1: also recently got into the domestic beetles for skull cleaning.
Speaker 1: Just yesterday I called deec officer to ask some legalities
Speaker 1: of me cleaning skulls that were shot in PA. He said,
Speaker 1: the only way to legally do it is to bring
Speaker 1: the beetles to Pennsylvania. Then he has a taxidermy product
Speaker 1: which is legal to try transport across state lines. He
Speaker 1: goes on to say, but what if my pa buck
Speaker 1: has su CWD. I do all the ridiculous steps of
Speaker 1: bringing my beetle enclosure to PA, clean the skull, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Did I totally eliminate the prians? No, you didn't.
Speaker 1: I feel like a cleaned skull cap sitting on someone's
Speaker 1: work bench has a much more significant risk of spread
Speaker 1: than a dog scratching it and burying it somewhere than
Speaker 1: my extremely. He sums himself up. New York sucks. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he has some things he likes. He does appreciate that
Speaker 1: they allowed legal shooting thirty minutes before after sunrise sunset,
Speaker 1: which used to be well, I didn't know this, New
Speaker 1: York used to be sunset sunrise. Holy cow.
Speaker 6: Do you feel like he broke that law not knowing?
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what that was a case of Michigan. You would even
Speaker 1: go out on opening day because thirty minutes into the
Speaker 1: season you get a sink and feeling, wow, I had
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: You had to wait till actual sunrise. That's the best
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of the best. Well, when you take the
Speaker 1: morning of the night, that's the best sixty minutes.
Speaker 2: That's how you feel hunting ducks, Yeah, same feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go hunting on the reservation. That's their their.
Speaker 1: Laws to he. He appreciates it did that. He appreciates
Speaker 1: they lowered the age to start big game hunting because
Speaker 1: he has three kids and likes to spend time with
Speaker 1: the mount hunting. He likes the mandatory hunter orange. Now
Speaker 1: in fire season, he find firearm season, he's shocked that
Speaker 1: it wasn't He's shocked that that wasn't written in the law.
Speaker 1: And he likes the process of doing electronic licensing and
Speaker 1: not needing to wear a backtack. He's what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's he's painting himself as the person that recognizes the good.
Speaker 1: But he thinks that this CWD thing is a little
Speaker 1: over the top. Dealing with CW here's my here's my
Speaker 1: official on this. Dealing with CWD is a little bit
Speaker 1: like it's a little bit like the early days of
Speaker 1: the pandemic, where by and large you have a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are alarmed and they're they don't know
Speaker 1: all the answers, and they're trying to do the best
Speaker 1: job they can do of adapting to incoming material and right,
Speaker 1: and then down the road you're going to look and
Speaker 1: be like, man, what did I really need to leave
Speaker 1: my boxes out in my yard for ten days before
Speaker 1: I carried him in and a bunch of other junk.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna look back and be like, what
Speaker 1: the about? How stupid? So much of the stuff we
Speaker 1: did during the pandemic was but at the time buying large.
Speaker 1: There's some well intentioned people just just trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out, and yeah, mistakes get made.
Speaker 3: I lose a little patience with the hunters, saying like, well,
Speaker 3: it's too much of a pain in the ass. You
Speaker 3: what ninety nine percent of people on this planet think
Speaker 3: is too much of a pain in the ass getting
Speaker 3: up at three point thirty four in the morning, getting
Speaker 3: a bunch of crap together, going out in the woods,
Speaker 3: sitting there till light finally pops up, freezing your butt off,
Speaker 3: God forbid you get something. Then the real pain in
Speaker 3: the ass starts, you know, I mean, come on.
Speaker 1: Oh, like when you factor all that out and then
Speaker 1: there's this other little additive thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah you could like now you can just hop online
Speaker 3: and have your groceries delivered to your front door.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Comparatively with my little analogy about the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I'll also point out there were people that obviously got
Speaker 1: high on power. They got high on power, but there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people that were just trying to
Speaker 1: find a way to be helpful and solve the problem,
Speaker 1: and they didn't get everything right. And you know, down
Speaker 1: the road, we'll look back and be like, Ah, that
Speaker 1: probably didn't really have any real impact on CWD spread,
Speaker 1: but that sure did. Right, It'll be like that, yep.
Speaker 3: I mean when we do like that Frank Church trip,
Speaker 3: like we boil skulls because of the law. I like,
Speaker 3: traveling across state lines, We'll bring in another little burner
Speaker 3: and a pot and boil skulls. They're on the air strip,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I do that, But then I
Speaker 3: literally take the lymph nodes in a little baggy mm
Speaker 3: hmm and fly those out, oh to submit them, drive
Speaker 3: them to the place, drop them in the thing. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like there's a lot of things. When we had
Speaker 3: that panel and we were talking to all the CWD folks,
Speaker 3: I asked that question and they kind of laughed. At
Speaker 3: me and we're like, well, of course that's not going
Speaker 3: to spread them, you know. I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: all the stuff I read makes it seem like we're
Speaker 3: just spraying preons all over the place. Yeah, right, And
Speaker 3: they're like, well, how could you get that? And it's like, well,
Speaker 3: probably because I'm not an infectious disease expert, right, and yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of came to the conclusion that they need to
Speaker 3: simplify their messaging in a lot of places.
Speaker 1: Okay, you ready to dig in?
Speaker 4: You ready, Grace, Oh, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Okay, give it. Give us your spiel on how you
Speaker 1: how when you shoot guns, your your your what. I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. You can start with why
Speaker 1: when when someone touches one off next to your head
Speaker 1: and the duck blind? Why do you hear for a
Speaker 1: couple of days?
Speaker 5: Okay, I can start there when you told me just
Speaker 5: to jump in, I'm going where because they're there is
Speaker 5: so much to talk about. But that's a good starting point.
Speaker 5: So what is happening when you blast yourself or when
Speaker 5: you find yourself in the wrong place at the split
Speaker 5: second of the wrong time and then your ears are screaming? Well,
Speaker 5: when the sound as a in a nutshell. As the
Speaker 5: sound's traveling through your ear canal, hits your ear drum
Speaker 5: in this case, really hard vibrates the ossicles that then
Speaker 5: move the fluid in the cochlea, which has those really
Speaker 5: fine outer hair cell structures that are stimulated and generate
Speaker 5: an action potential to be sent to your brain, where
Speaker 5: it is then processed and recognized as sound, so we
Speaker 5: actually hear with our brains. What we're trying to protect
Speaker 5: from noise primarily are those really fine outer hair cells
Speaker 5: which transduce the sound to the brain. Otherwise, once those
Speaker 5: outer hair cells are damaged, then you've got regions of
Speaker 5: the brain that are not being stimulated and you start
Speaker 5: to have that phantom ringing sound, the tenetus or tonitis
Speaker 5: that never goes away. That's because typically it's for a
Speaker 5: number of reasons, but as it relates to noise exposure,
Speaker 5: it's typically caused by those damaged hair cells that are
Speaker 5: no longer sending the signal to that representative area of
Speaker 5: the brain. So immediately when that blast happens, those hair
Speaker 5: cells are physically bent.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they can even.
Speaker 5: Be ejected from the membrane in which they sit. So
Speaker 5: depending on how loud that blast is and when those
Speaker 5: hair cells are bent over, there's a metabolic process.
Speaker 4: Where they're trying to recover.
Speaker 5: Same way when you fatigue your muscles and you recover,
Speaker 5: you know you're not going to run a marathon two
Speaker 5: days in a row. I mean, when you're blasting these
Speaker 5: things over and over, you're weakening them every time.
Speaker 4: So that damage is cumulative over a lifetime.
Speaker 5: And so when those are lying down and the brain
Speaker 5: is missing that signal because during that time that they're
Speaker 5: trying to recover, they're not transducing sound. That's when your
Speaker 5: brain makes you hear instead of the sounds around you.
Speaker 5: So does that is that coherent?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I have tonight as Yeah, and you I had
Speaker 1: this problem. When someone explains a health problem to me
Speaker 1: that they're having, I start feeling their health problem. Like
Speaker 1: if say, yeah, I have, you know, like a lump
Speaker 1: on my testicle, I'd be like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have a serious groin ache. All of a sudden, as
Speaker 1: you're talking, I'm getting more tonightis noue. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can hear it too, and.
Speaker 5: It's Tenadus is an area that is fascinating because it's
Speaker 5: hard to pinpoint. There's no cure, but there are management strategies.
Speaker 5: And at first, when you first hear these strategies, it's
Speaker 5: gonna sound a little bit like mumbo jumbo, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 5: But honestly, because our cortisol levels, our stress levels, salt,
Speaker 5: caffeine can all affect the chemical gating s stum that's
Speaker 5: working hard to suppress that ringing.
Speaker 4: And when your frontal lobe is focused on.
Speaker 5: Something else, that's why I tell people, as simple as
Speaker 5: it is, try not to focus on the ringing or else.
Speaker 4: It will sound louder. When you can distract your frontal.
Speaker 5: Lobe and focus on something else with your brain, then
Speaker 5: you can put it into the background.
Speaker 1: I might have accidentally hit on a thing that you
Speaker 1: might recommend, and I'll explain. In starting my kids shooting,
Speaker 1: my young kids shooting, I have a nine year old,
Speaker 1: eleven year old, and fourteen year old, and starting them
Speaker 1: shooting big game rifles. I started them out shooting like
Speaker 1: like they have sig crosses in a six or five
Speaker 1: creed More And I start them out shooting a suppressor
Speaker 1: and hearing protection because they can like they conflate the
Speaker 1: kick with the sound. It's all they're not distinct things.
Speaker 1: This is true of kids, and it's probably true of
Speaker 1: a lot of other people. It's like, there's an experience
Speaker 1: of shooting and it has something to do with recoil.
Speaker 1: It has something to do with noise, and it gets
Speaker 1: bundled into your head just as like a sudden, very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable experience.
Speaker 5: Right, And so I wanted to red will reduce the
Speaker 5: felt recoil.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I put a suppressor on, I put hearing
Speaker 1: protection on them. They lay down and shoot, and when
Speaker 1: they shoot, they laugh the same way like they you
Speaker 1: laugh getting off. They laugh because they were so like
Speaker 1: you know, then they shoot.
Speaker 5: You're like, ah, I don't know, it's like that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: but well you've actually hit on what I mean, spoiler alert.
Speaker 5: My do you remember when I first came to see
Speaker 5: you guys, and I talked about how, you know, my
Speaker 5: job is an audiologist and someone who values the hunting
Speaker 5: tradition is to equip you with the most realistic tools
Speaker 5: possible to make this safer activity for you. But that
Speaker 5: I cannot guarantee that by wearing hearing protection you're never
Speaker 5: going to get some level of hearing loss from shooting guns.
Speaker 5: Because we can only reduce the sound so much with
Speaker 5: ear plugs. Do you guys remember me going through that Boleshpiel.
Speaker 5: So I would apply that same conversation two suppressors as
Speaker 5: we get into sound levels there, but the two in
Speaker 5: combination can take you to a safe level. So whereas
Speaker 5: when we're talking about hearing protection that's on your head
Speaker 5: and in your ear, you know, ideally I talk about
Speaker 5: how when you can to double up to put something
Speaker 5: a muff on top of a plug to increase the
Speaker 5: level of attenuation, and that to get more than that,
Speaker 5: we've got to put you into a full helmet because
Speaker 5: the bones of your body, even your teeth, are transducing
Speaker 5: sound to those inner ear delicate structures that I was
Speaker 5: talking about. But when you pair a suppressor with wealth
Speaker 5: hearing protection, we can get you into a safe level
Speaker 5: without having.
Speaker 4: To double up.
Speaker 6: God, that's kind of interested to hear.
Speaker 5: What the Silencer Central guys have to say about that theory.
Speaker 5: It goes against some of the stuff I'm reading on
Speaker 5: their website and all other websites for suppressors. But looking
Speaker 5: at the data and all of the variables, which I'm
Speaker 5: happy I would love to get into the nitty gritty
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: That you're recommending that ear recommending both. Yes, well that's
Speaker 1: what I that's what I'm saying. I accidentally hit on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is what you can do it.
Speaker 1: I'm both dead like to deaden my kids to the
Speaker 1: to the experience, right, which is very well.
Speaker 5: And remember, let me umbrella this whole conversation with the
Speaker 5: fact that we cannot rely on our perception of how
Speaker 5: loud something is to objectively determine whether it's too loud.
Speaker 5: Just because your ears don't ring, just because it doesn't
Speaker 5: bother you, does not mean that that sound pressure was
Speaker 5: not objectively damaging the physical strung pictures of your ear
Speaker 5: and your hearing ability.
Speaker 1: Got it, Brandon, you want to jump in here?
Speaker 10: Yeah, boys should put us on the spot, right.
Speaker 1: No, I think we're on the same page. Yes, Brandon,
Speaker 1: you want to get your Do you want to quiet
Speaker 1: stuff down? Yeah?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Yes, I am pro suppressor. I am pro
Speaker 5: silencer central. I was impressed by some of the studies
Speaker 5: that you yourself have done to try to test the
Speaker 5: different levels and to be able to put out good information.
Speaker 5: I have some questions about some of those measurements, but
Speaker 5: not in a way that's trying to be critical, just
Speaker 5: in a way that's digging in to get to the
Speaker 5: bottom of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Absolutely. So, you know, the threshold that we look at,
Speaker 10: it's like one hundred and forty decibels, and what we're
Speaker 10: told is we want our products to test below one
Speaker 10: hundred and forty right out one hundred and forty or
Speaker 10: less than. But of course it's hard to tell what
Speaker 10: the environment is. You know, if you're indoors, obviously it's louder.
Speaker 10: You know, we could show it our measures are, but
Speaker 10: someone could have different atmospheric pressures, you could have shorter barrels,
Speaker 10: you could have hotter loads. So do we disagree with
Speaker 10: the concept of wearing ear protection with silencers, No, not
Speaker 10: at all.
Speaker 1: When you talk about the when you talk about the
Speaker 1: situation being different, I mean, I'm just like inviting listeners
Speaker 1: to picture this. If you're shooting in a ten mile
Speaker 1: an hour cross wind, it's less loud, right. If you're shooting,
Speaker 1: you know, not that I would have any experience with this.
Speaker 1: If you're shooting out of your truck, if you're over
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat, shooting out the passenger window, it's loud.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 6: Or if just that wind is blowing from your muzzle
Speaker 6: to you yep.
Speaker 2: Man, I think like a big moment for us Steve
Speaker 2: and I. I shot him out and go it with Steve.
Speaker 2: And that gun was a muzzle break. It wasn't suppressed
Speaker 2: this couple of years ago, and we were under a
Speaker 2: tree right there, were still ready And I have never
Speaker 2: felt like just because the environment, that tree right over
Speaker 2: top of us, and that's right next to the bark,
Speaker 2: it smoked us.
Speaker 1: Man, it styled my hair like.
Speaker 2: It changed everything about the way that I've hunted since.
Speaker 2: Right in suppressors and when you think of it, hearing
Speaker 2: pro like that was a bad environment for sound.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and in South Dakota could be a split leading
Speaker 10: because prairie there, when you shoot, it's not as loud,
Speaker 10: whereas if you're an environment where you can echo, like
Speaker 10: you're saying, it's always gonna be louder.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the CA You explain the Hearing Protection Act, sure,
Speaker 1: like where it sits and where it came from.
Speaker 10: And yeah, sure, so Hearing Protection Act basically the premise
Speaker 10: there is that it would deregulate suppressor silencers completely and
Speaker 10: make them a regular firearm. So you would go and
Speaker 10: buy a silencer and at a regular you know, gun store,
Speaker 10: and they would treat it just like a regular long
Speaker 10: gun or handgun. You would just do a background check
Speaker 10: and you'd leave with it. So there would be no
Speaker 10: or tax stamp, no process. It's kind of you know,
Speaker 10: a background check and you would leave. So that was
Speaker 10: that was the premise of it was to deregulate suppressors.
Speaker 1: Because currently there regulated like can you I guess within
Speaker 1: this explanation, can you explain what is the difference between
Speaker 1: who regulates guns, like who regulates long rifles and who
Speaker 1: regulates the suppressors that go on long rifles.
Speaker 10: Sure, yep, so both underneath atf so they have sort
Speaker 10: of the domain over that. Some states will have different
Speaker 10: state laws, but there's not many states that have low
Speaker 10: specific to siglencers. Most states honestly don't even define them
Speaker 10: as a firearm. But at the National Farms Branch NFA
Speaker 10: branch is what regulates the actual suppressors. It's the same
Speaker 10: process you go through and you buy a machine gun.
Speaker 10: So it's created in nineteen thirty four and it came
Speaker 10: out with a two undrell or tax then because it
Speaker 10: was equivalent to one hundred percent tax on a machine gun.
Speaker 10: So the goal was to regulate machine guns. Put one
Speaker 10: hundred percent tax on a machine gun. So a machine
Speaker 10: gun back in thirty four was two hundred bucks, so
Speaker 10: it's basically two hundred bucks to get the machine gun.
Speaker 10: What's interesting is the government, our government wanted to put
Speaker 10: handguns into the NFA process with the machine guns, and
Speaker 10: instead they traded out silencers. And I think the reason
Speaker 10: why they did this, Yeah, and it was right after prohibition,
Speaker 10: so I think people are like, all right, you just
Speaker 10: gave us our alcohol back, and now you want to
Speaker 10: take our handguns. We're not into this, huh. And there
Speaker 10: was really no one at the table to say, hey,
Speaker 10: suppressors aren't evil, they're not going to be used inappropriately.
Speaker 10: It was just sort of a change of okay, let's
Speaker 10: switch out handguns and let's put suppressors in there.
Speaker 6: But they were around back then.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, you could buy them before or without the
Speaker 10: you know, the regulatory process. I mean you know, you
Speaker 10: see the maximum advertisements and the magazines whe you could
Speaker 10: buy it and get it in the mail, and you
Speaker 10: still see them floating around occasionally. But yeah, before nineteen
Speaker 10: thirty four, they were somewhat unregulated. Now they're the same
Speaker 10: as a firearm, so you have to follow all the
Speaker 10: same rules you do with the firearm, but then you
Speaker 10: also have to go through the NFA process, which is
Speaker 10: a federal process.
Speaker 1: Got it, and the Hearing Protection Act is not never
Speaker 1: got passed, correct.
Speaker 10: I think a lot of people thought that it had
Speaker 10: a potential possibility when Trump first got elected, so it's
Speaker 10: sort of stealed the mark a little bit. We have
Speaker 10: two lobbyists, federal lobbyists in DC, and their feedback to
Speaker 10: me is that it would take six years of a
Speaker 10: Republican president, Republican Senate, and a Republican House to approve
Speaker 10: the Hairy Protection Act because they would have to educate
Speaker 10: that many people to get on board with it. There's
Speaker 10: just such a negative connotation from the word suppressor for
Speaker 10: non farms people when they hear it, they just think,
Speaker 10: you know, public safety issue, the farious activity. It just
Speaker 10: came yeah, yes, exactly totally. Hollywood. Hollywood has not helped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, has there been have you seen any?
Speaker 1: Are you aware of any? Has they would looked at
Speaker 1: like crime? Do you know? I mean, is there evidence
Speaker 1: of that that there's a disproportionate number of suppressors turning
Speaker 1: up in criminal activity.
Speaker 10: You know, good questions. So right before Trump got in, uh,
Speaker 10: there was a member at the ATF pretty high up
Speaker 10: that sort of sent a letter out that said, we'd
Speaker 10: be willing to work with you the Trump administration once
Speaker 10: he was elected to deregulate them, and that's what kind
Speaker 10: of fueled the whole Hearing Protection Act. But ATF admitted
Speaker 10: at that point, you know, twenty seventeen ish that they're
Speaker 10: not a public safety issue. If you ever see a
Speaker 10: silence are used in a crime, if you read the
Speaker 10: footnote or you read all the details, it's typically unlawfully obtained.
Speaker 10: They made it themselves, got it. I can only think
Speaker 10: of one or two examples in the twenty years I've
Speaker 10: been doing this where there was actually a criminal activity
Speaker 10: that was happened with a suppressor that you know, the
Speaker 10: person got prosecuted. And so there's three and a half
Speaker 10: four million suppressors in America that are lawfully registered and are.
Speaker 1: There really now?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And how many states are you allowed to hunt with them?
Speaker 10: So suppressors themselves are legal for ownership in forty two states.
Speaker 10: You can hunt with them in forty one states. So
Speaker 10: not many people talk about hunting in Connecticut, so that's
Speaker 10: probably not a big miss.
Speaker 1: So that's one of them.
Speaker 10: That's the only state you can't hunt on them with them.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean where you can have it but not
Speaker 1: hunt with it. Correct, there's only one state you can
Speaker 1: have it but not hunt with it.
Speaker 10: Correct.
Speaker 1: But forty one states you can hunt with it. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Is that widespread? Oh yeah, numbers really growing.
Speaker 6: Yes, leaf that you can't Connecticut, No, but that you can't.
Speaker 1: Own eight states?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're right, So California, Illinois, Delaware, Rhode Island, New York,
Speaker 10: New Jersey, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: All those conservative bastions.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then he said Hawaii.
Speaker 3: God, do you think Delaware, Rhode Island, and mass would
Speaker 3: be big proponents of suppressors.
Speaker 1: Since that's the background of the American firearms industry.
Speaker 3: Well, there's that, but just like the urban deer situation,
Speaker 3: the awareness of limes disease, like they're doing pretty heavy
Speaker 3: white tail suppression in those states, and and just that
Speaker 3: a density of humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: It's like a good neighbor thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we should there's so many things
Speaker 1: that are piled up here that we need to talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's explain one thing. You know, I'm gonna fill this
Speaker 1: one to our resident gun nut gear head, Garrett. Sonic
Speaker 1: crack muzzle blast. You want to run with that one, That's.
Speaker 6: A good one to cover because it's the.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, well, I mean, and I think I think
Speaker 2: actually Brandon would be the best one to run with it.
Speaker 2: But my best example of the two, of the difference
Speaker 2: of the two is shooting a three hundred blackout right,
Speaker 2: so they make like sub and supersonic rounds that that gun,
Speaker 2: that cartridge was like created around being able to shoot
Speaker 2: sub sonic ammunition. So two hundred and twenty grains is
Speaker 2: just coming right out under right underneath that that speedest sound,
Speaker 2: and so you don't get that sonic crack. So in theory,
Speaker 2: you have the same gun, same powder charge. If if
Speaker 2: you have a like a right now, I run a
Speaker 2: say three hundred blackout for Kyo hunting, I think we've
Speaker 2: actually hunk outs with that gun running supers suppressed. You
Speaker 2: still it still sounds like supress, but it's still quiet,
Speaker 2: but you still get that kind of like crack at
Speaker 2: the end. It almost sounds like when you unplug like
Speaker 2: an air hose from like pressure, like a tank, like
Speaker 2: air tank. Right, get that.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to jump in on that.
Speaker 6: Crack.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's two Okay, Grace, you're gonna get to go.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to Here's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: set up. I wasn't too clear. There's there's two noises happening.
Speaker 1: Let's stay out of subsonic. Okay, all right, back up,
Speaker 1: Slow down, general, honey, like your your grandpa's deer rifle.
Speaker 1: There's two noises. There's the powder exploding, and then there's
Speaker 1: it being faster than the speed of sound and breaking
Speaker 1: the sound barrier. M hm, Grace, you have something to
Speaker 1: say on.
Speaker 5: This, absolutely, and so that's important what you're actually seeing.
Speaker 5: And I hate that this isn't totally video. But there's
Speaker 5: the spectrograph of it. You have when when when when
Speaker 5: a when ammunition breaks the sound barrier, which is heavily
Speaker 5: dependent upon temperature. So when it's faster than eleven hundred
Speaker 5: feet per second at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit, you're.
Speaker 4: Going to get an ND shaped sound.
Speaker 5: Wave on a spectrograph just a few milliseconds before the
Speaker 5: blast from the gun happens, and that what we call
Speaker 5: an in wave or that sonic crack can reach up
Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: decibels and it cannot be suppressed by a suppressor.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tea up is the whole
Speaker 1: myth of the Jason Board is part of the thing
Speaker 1: with like people looking at like, oh, suppressors would just
Speaker 1: mean you could walk around a house and like shoot
Speaker 1: everybody in the house and there's no noise for neighbors, cops,
Speaker 1: other people in the house or whatever. This sort of
Speaker 1: myth is you're ruling out that there's additional noise occurring
Speaker 1: when a firearm is shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at by
Speaker 2: saying subs and soupers, because then when you shoot a
Speaker 2: sub sonic, that is truly where you actually do get
Speaker 2: the like with Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1: Like it's so quiet, we'll shoot I'll take my wife
Speaker 1: and kids and we'll shoot a twenty two one of
Speaker 1: those taxol like Semiauto twenty twos. With a suppressor and subsonics,
Speaker 1: the only noise you hear at the gun is you
Speaker 1: hear at the slide, and I'm not joking. You hear
Speaker 1: the beer can crinkle, yep. When you shoot, the main
Speaker 1: noise is the aluminum crinkling yep. That's quiet, yep. But normally,
Speaker 1: like if I'm shooting my three hundred wind bag suppressed
Speaker 1: and someone's off one hundred yards away, they're very aware.
Speaker 1: It's a much quieter experience for me. They're very aware
Speaker 1: that the gun went off because there's that traveling noise.
Speaker 2: You know, you're not getting rid of the sonic boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: My brother described it in Wisconsin when my daughter shot
Speaker 6: at a deer last year. He said that he felt
Speaker 6: like he was just hunting nearby, you know, sitting on
Speaker 6: a stand, and he felt like he could actually hear
Speaker 6: the bullet traveling more than he ever had, Like, was
Speaker 6: he heard this that as it moved through the forest
Speaker 6: or whatever where normally it was probably muffled by the blast.
Speaker 6: But he's like he was just like it was crazy
Speaker 6: because I never had heard that sound. It's obviously always
Speaker 6: been there, but because there was that loud blast was muffled,
Speaker 6: he could actually hear this like different sound.
Speaker 1: I'm just stumbling across a sentence in this piece about
Speaker 1: the Hearing Protection Act. No one should have to sacrifice
Speaker 1: their hearing because they choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
Speaker 1: And it's about the Hearing Protection Act. Kriin, did we
Speaker 1: do our thing, because here's the story. I think I
Speaker 1: told this story before we started recording today. Yanni and
Speaker 1: I were talking about this. Maybe how many years ago
Speaker 1: we were in Kentucky. M hm, I don't know, eight, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell was. Eight years ago, Yannie and I
Speaker 1: were in Kentucky. We're hunting with our buddy Kevin Murphy,
Speaker 1: and we went on a swamp rabbit hunt with some
Speaker 1: game wardens and suppressors were just just becoming part of
Speaker 1: the conversation around hunting. I didn't own one yet. I
Speaker 1: don't think I o't. I didn't own one yet, and
Speaker 1: it was just becoming a thing people talked about. This
Speaker 1: game warden had two things that Yani and I have
Speaker 1: mentioned many times. He said of his job, one of
Speaker 1: these game wards, there's multiple game wardens there. One of
Speaker 1: these game wardens said, I don't need to go out
Speaker 1: in the field anymore. I have Facebook and the other
Speaker 1: and the story and the other game wardens said on
Speaker 1: the conversation with suppressors, he said like he expressed being
Speaker 1: uneasy with suppressors because he said, that's a big part
Speaker 1: of my toolkit. And he went on to explain that's
Speaker 1: why I never get any bow hunting done, as I'll
Speaker 1: be in my stand and it'll be right around dark
Speaker 1: and off on the next place I'll hear and I'll
Speaker 1: think to myself, something's not right, and then I'm down
Speaker 1: out of my tree heading that way. That's the only
Speaker 1: observation I ever heard from a warden, and it was
Speaker 1: it was speculative. And I was asking Crinn in this
Speaker 1: conversation and I'm staunchly like, I'm staunchly pro suppressor. But
Speaker 1: I asked Kran, like, we should ask some game wardens
Speaker 1: what their take on it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So everyone I asked directly had to get approval,
Speaker 7: so they anticipated in the anonymous policy.
Speaker 1: Okay, we justle the whole thing out there.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, And so everyone most everyone came back to
Speaker 7: me with a no. So then I asked colleagues, and
Speaker 7: Brent Reeve has a friend Joe Alexander, thank you so much.
Speaker 7: He reached out on my behalf to dozens of his
Speaker 7: game warden buddies, and I think it was kind of
Speaker 7: a collective effort of wardens from across different states, and
Speaker 7: he put together this bargraph.
Speaker 1: Can I read it?
Speaker 7: So that's what you have, and then you have a
Speaker 7: you know, he did like a kind of opinion poll
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 6: But they know and they agreed that this there what
Speaker 6: they said would be part of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah. So here's the game Wharton poll that
Speaker 1: Krinn assembled for us on a scale. Here's the how
Speaker 1: it expressed them. I think I wrote this sentence, and
Speaker 1: now that I'm looking at it, I made it maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit difficult.
Speaker 6: I'm glad you see that too, because I've read it
Speaker 6: like ten times. I'm like, I don't know what he means.
Speaker 6: It's like, this is it.
Speaker 1: This feels like a text message between this is this
Speaker 1: is sort of the essence of me and Krin's text messages.
Speaker 1: I think it was, like I said, on a scale
Speaker 1: from one to ten, it's it's very hyperbolic. I say,
Speaker 1: on a scale from one to ten, with one being
Speaker 1: the worst thing for wildlife ever and ten being no
Speaker 1: difference to your ability to do your job? What would
Speaker 1: your number be? That got's a terrible sentence. We're asking
Speaker 1: them to say, in terms of from a game warton's perspective,
Speaker 1: suppressors being doesn't matter. Suppress that being it makes it
Speaker 1: very difficult to do my job. No, it's like I
Speaker 1: put it the wrong way too. One as it's bad.
Speaker 1: Ten as it doesn't matter from the perspective of how
Speaker 1: a game warden is able to conduct his business. Okay,
Speaker 1: we go on. Thanks to Brent Reeves's friend, Lieutenant Joe Alexander,
Speaker 1: who helped Krin get this together, all warden's Krinn personally
Speaker 1: reached out to you said they weren't allowed to answer
Speaker 1: this anonymous poll. They wound up getting twenty nine. We
Speaker 1: wound up getting twenty nine responses from game wardens. Okay.
Speaker 1: Sixteen of those twenty nine were from Oklahoma, six were
Speaker 1: from Texas, three were from New Mexico, two from Colorado,
Speaker 1: two from Kansas. One suppressors are the worst thing ever
Speaker 1: for wildlife. Zero respondents gave a one two meaning next
Speaker 1: to one one being the worst thing ever for wildlife.
Speaker 1: Of the twenty nine, two did a two, No one
Speaker 1: one did a two. No warden says it's the worst
Speaker 1: thing ever for wildlife. One zero Warden says, the worst
Speaker 1: thing of God. This is a horrible I should man,
Speaker 1: I should not get into the polling business. Now I'll
Speaker 1: get through it. Zero says it's the worst thing ever
Speaker 1: for wildlife. One guy gave it a two, Two guys
Speaker 1: gave it to three. Zero guys gave it a four.
Speaker 1: Now we start to see it climb. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Ten out of twenty nine. Ten out of twenty nine
Speaker 1: Wardens said it has no impact on their suppressors, have
Speaker 1: no impact on their ability to do their job. Couple
Speaker 1: anonymous comments.
Speaker 6: They're the ones using Facebook readily because they.
Speaker 1: Don't need because they got Facebook. They just look for
Speaker 1: something and that were like, that's not right. Why is
Speaker 1: this guy got a big buck in July? It looks
Speaker 1: like why is this guy posted six different bucks in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and his T shirt or
Speaker 1: a beard exe to him?
Speaker 2: It looks like twenty six out of the twenty nine
Speaker 2: gave it a five or higher.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 1: You should go on the polling Yeah, some anonymous comments
Speaker 1: game ward number one. I would have to say nine
Speaker 1: hardly affects the way I do my job. Just like
Speaker 1: a knife, suppressors are a tool. In the hands of
Speaker 1: a chef, a knife helps a chef create a fine meal.
Speaker 1: In the hands of an unsavory criminal, a knife could
Speaker 1: be a dangerous weapon used for illegal things. The same
Speaker 1: goes for suppressors. In the hands of a hunter, presser
Speaker 1: could be used to help fill the freezer, or used
Speaker 1: by a poetry to quietly conceal their crime. Criminals who
Speaker 1: wish to break the law are going to do so
Speaker 1: and use whatever tool will help them achieve their goal,
Speaker 1: legal or not. On a personal note, I think suppressors
Speaker 1: are a great way to introduce youngsters and new hunters
Speaker 1: to rifle hunting who are afraid of the percussion of
Speaker 1: rifles or who wish to keep their hearing or it's
Speaker 1: it's a or so does that? Thank you Krin for
Speaker 1: putting that together.
Speaker 6: Who's Joe, He's the guy that did the work.
Speaker 1: Oh, bread of the work. Oh I'm sorry, thanks Joe,
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing that. Krinn that put to ease my
Speaker 1: that put that to anyonet have any comments on that?
Speaker 3: You know we all know Eric Crawford, former l e
Speaker 3: O Wildlife l EO over there in Idaho. I was
Speaker 3: just hanging out with him earlier in the week, and
Speaker 3: I had i'd either told him that I finally have
Speaker 3: a suppressor showing up at the house or his comment,
Speaker 3: but he was like, oh, you guys and your suppressors.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, go on, tell me, tell me more,
Speaker 3: and he didn't really just didn't have a good, good comment,
Speaker 3: good good answer. But I kind of read between the
Speaker 3: lines and it's just like I feel like from his
Speaker 3: point of view, he is like, I want all the
Speaker 3: little tiny advantages I can get as a law enforcement
Speaker 3: officer out there because of the job's just so hard
Speaker 3: to pin.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: You hear a shot ring out over this giant forest
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, I can go look for vehicles
Speaker 3: on the side of the road, but maybe that person
Speaker 3: got dropped off. I could go charging into the woods
Speaker 3: by myself a somebody who's obviously armed, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A game warden said there are certain situations that it
Speaker 1: would make it more difficult to hear a shot, but
Speaker 1: you would need to be out of your vehicle listening
Speaker 1: for a shot. Another game warden, I'm a firm believer
Speaker 1: in using suppressors for hearing protection, but there's no denying
Speaker 1: that they make our job harder at times. Another game warden,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the use of suppressors has not changed
Speaker 1: anything about how I do my job. The sound of
Speaker 1: a gunshot was never a reason I used to investigate somebody. Anyways,
Speaker 1: A truck parked at a gate with hunting paraphernalia in
Speaker 1: it is a far better indicator that somebody is actually
Speaker 1: hunting than a gunshot, goes on.
Speaker 7: I have a question because some of the game wardens
Speaker 7: responded saying or looking at suppressors in their relationship to
Speaker 7: fair Chase and if hunters are if we hunters are
Speaker 7: getting critters used to you know, the sound versus not
Speaker 7: and oft impacts fair Chase or not. And there's also
Speaker 7: a lot of pointing to thermal vision as being worse than.
Speaker 1: One guy goes on to say thermal with a suppressor
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult to catch bad guys. Another guy
Speaker 1: he doesn't says, I don't catch him in the act anyways,
Speaker 1: My investigations are usually after the fact. Gunshots aren't the
Speaker 1: primary sign I'm looking for or listening when I'm patrolling.
Speaker 6: Lots of comments do you feel like gett infringes on
Speaker 6: fair Chase?
Speaker 1: Again, like like to do that, I'd I'd have to
Speaker 1: take this approach. If guns just happen to not be loud,
Speaker 1: let's just say we'll go back in history and somehow
Speaker 1: through like like the earth was designed differently and and
Speaker 1: physics were different and guns weren't loud. Would there ever
Speaker 1: be a conversation in which someone was trying to mandate
Speaker 1: or regulate that we make them louder. It's just they
Speaker 1: happen to be loud. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There's no one ever pointed out like a need to
Speaker 1: make guns be more loud. Be like you can use
Speaker 1: a twenty two, but only if you put a sound
Speaker 1: accentuator on it to make it be super loud. To
Speaker 1: make it fair, Chase, you've never been part of the conversation.
Speaker 6: The argument is is that the critters that we've been
Speaker 6: now hunting for whatever one hundred years modern firearms are
Speaker 6: accustomed to hearing a gunshot and being scared and fleeing ki.
Speaker 1: Those band bohun or you know what, when you shoot
Speaker 1: your boat, you gotta then hit a button that makes
Speaker 1: a loud noise.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's not fair, Chase, that's not You're not that's
Speaker 6: not oranges to oranges thirty yards away with a bow
Speaker 6: unless you're using subsonic ammunition and and you know doing
Speaker 6: that thing.
Speaker 3: I think the animal's range of hearing is so acute
Speaker 3: that you know that that noise is going to get
Speaker 3: picked up no matter what.
Speaker 1: And you've already shot.
Speaker 6: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's a hard fare chase argument when
Speaker 2: you've already shot. Like it didn't help you. Thermal is
Speaker 2: a good argument for it, right, Like that helped me
Speaker 2: find the animal and then shoot.
Speaker 3: It, help me find it at night off a road
Speaker 3: or during the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he hasn't even normally you'd also have to
Speaker 1: do this when a deer gets hit, the noise hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten there anyways. I just think it is way ahead
Speaker 1: of the noise all the times.
Speaker 6: It's I've.
Speaker 3: And have that deer or elk hall ass right at me,
Speaker 3: right because they heard the impact of the bullet behind
Speaker 3: him and then turn.
Speaker 6: I'm explaining Devil's advocate this because I'm certainly you know,
Speaker 6: I'm big pro shooting the suppressed a year round. I
Speaker 6: don't think that it I don't really think that it's
Speaker 6: going to make a difference every critter I've shot, like
Speaker 6: you're saying, they still hear something and the herd's still
Speaker 6: scattering even when I've used, you know, a suppressed rifle.
Speaker 6: I would say, if you were going to take that argument,
Speaker 6: the what you would want to actually limit is long distance,
Speaker 6: because that's where I've seen critters just be like no idea, Yeah,
Speaker 6: like a rock literally explodes at their feet at the
Speaker 6: first shot and they're like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 1: They're seeing it for yeah, and they.
Speaker 6: Start feeding again. So if you're going to take that argument,
Speaker 6: I would say, instead of taking away suppressors, take away
Speaker 6: the ability to shoot past four hundred yards because at
Speaker 6: that point, I think, yeah, because I with like a
Speaker 6: three forty weather be I had a guy shooting at
Speaker 6: an elk one time at roughly six six and a
Speaker 6: half and the conditions all together were enough that there
Speaker 6: was a hurt of bulls, and this hurt of bulls
Speaker 6: were not afraid of these the sound that they were
Speaker 6: hearing and the bullets coming in until one got hit
Speaker 6: and then when he started running then they kind of scattered.
Speaker 6: But I mean that right there, I think that that's
Speaker 6: a stronger argument for what they're for what people that
Speaker 6: are trying to use that you suppressors to say it's
Speaker 6: gonna do. It's not doing. It's it's the it could
Speaker 6: be shooting long range.
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate the Devil's advocacy. He needs to be
Speaker 1: advocated for.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's an argument worth having.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just watching a documentary. Karin's gonna
Speaker 1: ask me later if we can cut this out, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say no. I was just watching a documentary of
Speaker 1: the guy that in the military that had to defend
Speaker 1: Khalid shake Muhammad, the mastermind of the nine to eleven
Speaker 1: terror tacks in the Military Commission, and how he got
Speaker 1: into the mental state to approach that job. So Devil's Advocate,
Speaker 1: thank you, yiannih.
Speaker 3: I mean our conversation take care.
Speaker 1: In a way, our conversation is antiquated. It's antiquated because
Speaker 1: we're having a conversation from ten years ago, as evidenced
Speaker 1: by the fact that forty one states have said okay,
Speaker 1: we give forty one states have said okay. We've heard
Speaker 1: from all the interested parties, and in the end we
Speaker 1: decided this is okay. But it remains a thing of
Speaker 1: like you know, I just got this thing the other
Speaker 1: day from the University of Texas. They found that better
Speaker 1: looking people live longer and that has to do with jobs, right,
Speaker 1: the way people are treated by healthcare professionals. You can't
Speaker 1: even begin to untangle it. But it's just like people
Speaker 1: with symmetrical faces live long longer than people with asymmetrical faces.
Speaker 1: We also know that people with money live longer and
Speaker 1: are healthier than people without money. And we've kind of
Speaker 1: made suppressors with the current the way we've handled suppressors
Speaker 1: in the past years. We're like, yeah, I understand, if
Speaker 1: you got enough money and you got your whole situation
Speaker 1: put together, you're allowed to have a quiet or firearm.
Speaker 1: But if you're a little bit broke, it's just going
Speaker 1: to keep being loud for you. Because the way we've
Speaker 1: decided to regulate how these work, people with a couple
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, sure, people without a couple hundred bucks tough yet, right,
Speaker 1: is kind of how they've approached it. I mean, they
Speaker 1: haven't put it that way, but that's effectively what they've done, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, it's just evolved that way since the thirties.
Speaker 1: And where does the situation sit nowt Like can you
Speaker 1: lay out a little bit like what it used to
Speaker 1: be the first time I got one, it sat at
Speaker 1: the gun shop. The first time I got one, it
Speaker 1: sat at bob Wards for fourteen months. Yeah, before I
Speaker 1: was able to come get it. Right, where are we
Speaker 1: Why was that? And where are we at now?
Speaker 10: Yeah? Good question. So yeah, when I first started, you know,
Speaker 10: I've been doing it twenty years. When I first started,
Speaker 10: it was really quick because no one was buying them.
Speaker 1: Oh, just is that right?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was like two weeks. I mean it's people
Speaker 10: like I always say when I first started with two weeks.
Speaker 1: You're like, how's that on twenty years ago? Two weeks?
Speaker 10: Yeah, just because no one was buying them. There was
Speaker 10: just there was no volume. It was easy for them
Speaker 10: to approve them because there was really no volume. So
Speaker 10: really the reason why they got behind was just sheer volume.
Speaker 10: And really the NFA branch is like other government agencies
Speaker 10: where they don't get the funding that they need to
Speaker 10: be able to process them. They weren't getting the head count,
Speaker 10: they were getting the technology. They just they probably weren't
Speaker 10: getting the best employees.
Speaker 1: Oh there's no deliberate delay.
Speaker 10: No, No, it's a one hundred percent volume.
Speaker 1: It was a fourteen month wait for someone to pull
Speaker 1: that file.
Speaker 10: Well I should, So they did studies and they were
Speaker 10: touching it like a hundred times. I mean, just like
Speaker 10: one hundred percent inefficient, just you know, send it to Bob,
Speaker 10: send it to Jane, then Frank. It just kind of
Speaker 10: went around this sort of you know path. But you know,
Speaker 10: I've seen it go as high as I saw get
Speaker 10: up was about you know, that year and a half
Speaker 10: two years after Obama changed some rules. He tried to
Speaker 10: take it where it was harder to get it to
Speaker 10: a trust. And then now fortunately, uh, we're seeing what
Speaker 10: they call and what we're seeing is real time approvals.
Speaker 10: So we're actually submitting people's paperwork digitally through the e
Speaker 10: forms process. At time's the central and right now it's
Speaker 10: about a three to four day waiting period some of them.
Speaker 10: Some of them were getting I proved within hours.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, the individual I'm serious.
Speaker 10: I yeah, because I say that. You know, if God
Speaker 10: himself had come down and said, Brandon, what would you
Speaker 10: like approval times to be, I'd be like, I would
Speaker 10: be happy with thirty days, sir, But to have like
Speaker 10: real time? Who would have ever thought of that?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because you can go get the damn gun
Speaker 1: real time.
Speaker 10: Yes, Yes, So it's uh, it's really changed everything. I mean,
Speaker 10: it's it's doubled our demand.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 10: I mean people like there was like this sort of
Speaker 10: psychological I gotta pay for it. I'm not going to
Speaker 10: see it for a year, and then it got to
Speaker 10: me ten months, and then it was nine months, and
Speaker 10: it's sort of you know, oscillated. But now that in
Speaker 10: some cases it's literally real time. So seventy one percent
Speaker 10: of every one of them we submit is instant approval.
Speaker 10: What Yeah, because what they do is they just do
Speaker 10: your background check and if you pass it, you're automatically approved.
Speaker 1: So I just have I haven't done I haven't done
Speaker 1: one in probably be ten eleven months or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: haven't picked one up in probably a year.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it I mean it's pretty amazing. So the
Speaker 10: twenty nine percent that aren't getting approved real time, they've
Speaker 10: been arrested before, so they have to look and figure
Speaker 10: out what you were arrested for. Got it And there's
Speaker 10: a fellon into your state that's got the same name,
Speaker 10: so they have to make sure you're not them. So
Speaker 10: that's where it creates a little bit longer wait, and
Speaker 10: the FBI has to manually review it and that can take,
Speaker 10: you know, a couple months.
Speaker 6: So Joe Smith has a little harder time than.
Speaker 10: You're exactly right, that's one hundred percent correct. I used
Speaker 10: to could tell peop why their name probably how long
Speaker 10: they would have to wait if they would tell me
Speaker 10: whether they've ever been arrested before?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, like that dude that wrote in about
Speaker 1: how he's not rich Mark Rich. Yeah, there's probably some
Speaker 1: dude that did something bad name Mark Rich because true
Speaker 1: is a common name.
Speaker 10: Yes, very much.
Speaker 1: So what is the process? Uh, you know there's like
Speaker 1: a fingerprinting component. How's all that work?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Good question. So remember it all started in thirty four,
Speaker 10: so it's a little antiquated. But the best way I
Speaker 10: could think to explain a silence or purchase is it's
Speaker 10: a title transfer. So it's almost buying a truck. So
Speaker 10: the title to that silencer is in our name at
Speaker 10: Silence or Central, And in simplest terms, we're asking the
Speaker 10: ATF to transfer it from us to you, so for
Speaker 10: them to approve that they want fingerprints, which we do know.
Speaker 10: The insight is they don't use the fingerprint cards, but
Speaker 10: we have to submit it to them anyway, So we
Speaker 10: get those from you, we submit them digitally. They need
Speaker 10: a picture of you, which most people take with their
Speaker 10: phone and send it to us, so we upload that
Speaker 10: to them and then we give the same sort of
Speaker 10: demographics you would give when you purchase a firearm. They
Speaker 10: just want to make sure you're not a fellon through
Speaker 10: a background check, and then once they approve it, they'll
Speaker 10: put a stamp on there. So they do charge that
Speaker 10: two hundred dollars tax we talked about earlier, and once
Speaker 10: that's approved, we can transfer it to you. So and
Speaker 10: the good thing about silences c central is we could
Speaker 10: do everything remotely and we can mail the signwncher to
Speaker 10: your front door.
Speaker 1: Oh, it doesn't have to go through So.
Speaker 10: Fortunately, siglences are centralized locations in all forty two states
Speaker 10: where silencers are legal. So we manage all the paperwork
Speaker 10: on the front end, and so Fall South Dakota our
Speaker 10: home base is, and then we manage it on the
Speaker 10: back end for whichever state you live in. So if
Speaker 10: you live in Montana, once it's approved, it's shipped from
Speaker 10: Montana directly to your front door. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 6: Where does the little interview that I do every time.
Speaker 6: Oh sure, yeah, how does that come into play? Why
Speaker 6: is that necessary?
Speaker 10: Good question? So essentially we're filling out the paperwork for
Speaker 10: you asilence. Their central is based on the information you
Speaker 10: give us. ATF wants you to verify that the information
Speaker 10: we filled out for you is accurate.
Speaker 6: That's it, yep.
Speaker 10: So it's a good check step for us. I mean
Speaker 10: we do find that people love that. I mean we
Speaker 10: usually send you a review right after that because we
Speaker 10: get you know, one hundred percent five stars like that
Speaker 10: was a great That was a great process because essentially
Speaker 10: we're just saying, hey, did we get your last name right?
Speaker 10: Did we get your first name right? Are we correct?
Speaker 10: And you said you're not a fella? You know, here's
Speaker 10: the dress, here's the state you live in. Just a
Speaker 10: quick check it gives ATF. So we had to work
Speaker 10: with ATF because before you know, we're more remote. We
Speaker 10: have stores in all states and we're doing this from
Speaker 10: South Dakota, from our headquarters. So we kind of had
Speaker 10: to work with them to say, hey, you know, they're
Speaker 10: not going to walk into our store to acquire this.
Speaker 10: What do you want us to do to fulfill the requirements,
Speaker 10: so you feel like this is following federal statutes and
Speaker 10: that's what they came back with. So it's worked out
Speaker 10: really well. I mean it's a bottleneck for us, but
Speaker 10: consumers really like it and it keeps us from having
Speaker 10: any errors. So the good thing about our processes we
Speaker 10: have almost zero errors because if you get an error
Speaker 10: on the forums and you get denied, you got to
Speaker 10: start back over. Not that the way it is as
Speaker 10: long as it used to be, but it's kind of
Speaker 10: our claim to fame. It's all digitized and through that process.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, and it's quick. I mean if you as
Speaker 6: the consumer have your shit together, which means I think
Speaker 6: I can't remember now what they call it, some kind
Speaker 6: of identification number you need to have on his end
Speaker 6: and then one other.
Speaker 10: Yeah. So basically the ATF, you're signing those documents digitally
Speaker 10: saying that what we entered with you was correct.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So the ATF has you sign up for that on
Speaker 10: their website. And how they determined you are who you
Speaker 10: say you are is through like, uh, you know data,
Speaker 10: that's your financial data. You know which address did you
Speaker 10: live at, what was your car payment for the you
Speaker 10: know first vehicle you bought, you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: That's your digital signature. So essentially they'll give you a
Speaker 10: pen an a user name which you can't tell us,
Speaker 10: so you'll enter it in on the computer system. That's
Speaker 10: your digital signature. That's what sends it to atf They
Speaker 10: immediately then send it to the FBI. FBI does a
Speaker 10: background check and if it's approved, then we get an
Speaker 10: approval right back. I mean we've seen people get ap
Speaker 10: proven thirty minutes. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I come prepared, it takes like five minutes.
Speaker 6: And if I'm not quite prepared, then they kind of
Speaker 6: talk me through it like well go to here, Yeah,
Speaker 6: go to here, find this, and then it takes maybe
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen. Yeah, it's pretty pretty easy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's super turnkey.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the other rules
Speaker 1: you need to have these used tube. Do you still
Speaker 1: need to have paperwork with you when you have your
Speaker 1: suppressor with you, you know, the way you have it
Speaker 1: on your phone.
Speaker 10: Yeah, phone's fine. So if you read the statute, it
Speaker 10: just says that you present in a reasonable period of time.
Speaker 10: So if what's interesting is that's actually a tax return,
Speaker 10: that's when a dollar tax goes to the Treasury, So
Speaker 10: the only people that can actually request it and actually
Speaker 10: get it would be a person would like say, the irs,
Speaker 10: or someone on the criminal side with ATF. So there's
Speaker 10: really only two people that can ask for it. So
Speaker 10: even a game board can't ask for it technically because
Speaker 10: it's a tax document is protected by privacy.
Speaker 1: But you would recommend photo a photo of that tax form. Yes, yes, weird,
Speaker 1: it's a tax form.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a little stamp on it.
Speaker 10: You're right, exactly, yep, so yep. They just they say
Speaker 10: able to present in a reasonable period of time. So yeah,
Speaker 10: if you have it digitally on your phone, you're one
Speaker 10: hundred percent fine, or you could call us and we
Speaker 10: can email it to you.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, I'm out with my kids, yes, and they're
Speaker 1: with me with me, yep, okay. And it's it's firearms
Speaker 1: that like I own, you know, but it's the guns
Speaker 1: I use for my kids. I have my suppressors on
Speaker 1: the guns. I'm standing next to them. I'm cool.
Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent. So ATF told me as long
Speaker 10: as you can still see the person you're with, they
Speaker 10: can be in possession of the silence or even if
Speaker 10: their name isn't on the paperwork, because you haven't truly
Speaker 10: lost possession if you can still see them.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, So we go out and I
Speaker 1: lend my buddy, or my buddy comes over my house
Speaker 1: in the morning wants to borrow my rifle and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I take the suppressor. That ain't a good idea, right, so.
Speaker 10: You know, we give away free gun trust anyone that
Speaker 10: buys a silence or from Silence or central. So if
Speaker 10: you haven't a trust a stroke of a pen, you
Speaker 10: can add them to your trust and then as long
Speaker 10: as they're eighteen or older and also not a prohibited person,
Speaker 10: they could take the suppressor right.
Speaker 1: There, but it's not there. It's not like becoming their
Speaker 1: property still.
Speaker 10: So think of it as when we do it to
Speaker 10: a trust, that title transfer goes from us. Silence are
Speaker 10: central to that trust, and the trust technically owns it.
Speaker 10: So when you add them to that trust, it almost
Speaker 10: be like adding someone to your LLC. They're now kind
Speaker 10: of a co owner of that trust, so yeah, they
Speaker 10: can use it. What's interesting about adding someone to a
Speaker 10: trust after you buy it, you don't have to submit
Speaker 10: anything to the ATF. There's no background check, there's no
Speaker 10: hey we got to send us to ATF. It's very
Speaker 10: turn key. So typically at siunces are central, we usually recommend, Hey,
Speaker 10: put one person on the trust yourself. We'll do all
Speaker 10: the paperwork for you. Once it's approved, we can add
Speaker 10: anyone you want, long as they're eighteen and they're not prohibited,
Speaker 10: just with a stroke of the pen.
Speaker 1: But you can also get it where you can. Also,
Speaker 1: I know I have a trust, but if you there's
Speaker 1: kind of no reason to do it.
Speaker 10: Trust right, That's what I think, because the benefit of
Speaker 10: the trust is you can share it with that scenario
Speaker 10: you just said, but also you get to pick who
Speaker 10: gets it when you pass away. So hopefully your kids say, hey,
Speaker 10: i'd like to keep that, dad, So you put them
Speaker 10: down as a beneficiary, and then once you pass away,
Speaker 10: they keep it.
Speaker 1: I remember the first one I got years ago. I
Speaker 1: remember needing to tell my wife. I'm like, this will
Speaker 1: probably not You're probably never gonna remember this conversation. But
Speaker 1: I gather if I was to all sudden croak, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to like call the ATF or something to come
Speaker 1: get the suppressor or some garbage like that. Well, so
Speaker 1: if you own it, it is not gonna happen, right totally.
Speaker 3: It could be low on the priority list, right totally.
Speaker 10: So if you own it as an individual, they else,
Speaker 10: They do have a form that your spouse can fill
Speaker 10: out and it's free. I always say you get one
Speaker 10: tax free transfer, but it's when do you die? Okay,
Speaker 10: and then you can transfer it to someone else. So
Speaker 10: it's this kind of the same paperwork we do to
Speaker 10: transfer it to you, your spouse could do that paperwork
Speaker 10: to someone else and as long as they're in the
Speaker 10: same state and they don't have to pay the twohundred bucks.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, yeah, but that's if it's as an individual.
Speaker 1: So the garver and doesn't need to come and like
Speaker 1: seize it when they die. No, no, it's good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well can you explain when you say, with a stroke
Speaker 2: of a pen, you can add somebody to your trust. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I go to Steve's house and he's like, here's
Speaker 2: a gun. What's the supress around? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm on your trust. What is like the actual process
Speaker 2: to get added to Steve's trust?
Speaker 10: Yeah, So if you called silence essential, we would just
Speaker 10: send you a form and it's pretty much plug and play.
Speaker 10: It would just say what's the name of your trust,
Speaker 10: which we would tell you. I'd want to know what
Speaker 10: data was created, which is on the trust, and then
Speaker 10: he would have to sign it since he's ahead of
Speaker 10: the trust, so it'd make you a co trustee. So
Speaker 10: essentially then you could use it.
Speaker 3: Probably three times in the last four months I've had
Speaker 3: the conversation with somebody be like, hey, if you need
Speaker 3: a suppressor, get one right now, because they're getting approved
Speaker 3: super fast. But they're all individual trusts. Yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 3: or or sorry, individual versus trust.
Speaker 10: Yeah. So typically individual is a little bit quicker because
Speaker 10: then ATF doesn't have to read the trust. But we're
Speaker 10: seeing the trust every day getting quicker. So the goal
Speaker 10: is eventually it'll be closer. I think as ATF is
Speaker 10: doing pretty much real time on individuals and their hopes
Speaker 10: to get it out of the less than a month.
Speaker 10: If you bought it through a trust.
Speaker 3: Okay, and that individual though, that one is like just you.
Speaker 3: It's just you. It's in your possession, yep.
Speaker 10: Just in your name. But you can change that. So
Speaker 10: if someone calls and says, hey, I bought it as
Speaker 10: an individual, I want to put it in a trust,
Speaker 10: so we could do it for you. It's the same paperwork,
Speaker 10: but you don't lose possession of the item. So but
Speaker 10: you do have to pay that tax stamp again, oh,
Speaker 10: changing the title of ownership from yourself to the trust.
Speaker 10: But some guys are doing that because they want to
Speaker 10: get it quick. So I got a hunting trip coming up.
Speaker 10: I want to get as quick as possible. And then
Speaker 10: while I'm on the hunting trip, we could transfer it
Speaker 10: into a trust and you know, I have to pay
Speaker 10: two undred bucks. But you know, some people don't care.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I wish Chester was here right now because
Speaker 3: he could tell you this is all I would say,
Speaker 3: roughly a thousand times easier than registering a boat trailer
Speaker 3: in Montana.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that without I guess like the
Speaker 1: trends going in the right direction, without them just saying listen,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just like a gun. You can go
Speaker 1: buy it and walk out the door of it.
Speaker 10: Totally.
Speaker 1: They're alleviating a lot of the pain points. But what's
Speaker 1: up with the what's up with the tax? And why
Speaker 1: isn't there an equivalent when you buy a pistol or
Speaker 1: a long rifle or a shotgun.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so you know that tax again was created for
Speaker 10: the machine guns and then silence has kind of got
Speaker 10: thrown into the process after the fact. You know, there
Speaker 10: is that Pittman Robertson tax on handguns or ammo, but
Speaker 10: we don't really see it because it's paid by the manufaction. Yeah,
Speaker 10: it's baked in, so it's yeah, it's I think it's
Speaker 10: some of them are ten, some of them are eleven.
Speaker 10: But yeah, you know what's interesting about that two hundred
Speaker 10: dollars tax is we're trying we've got a bill currently
Speaker 10: in Congress and we're trying to get into the Senate.
Speaker 10: But it would take that two hundred dollar tax and
Speaker 10: put it into Pittman Robertson so it'd go to conservation.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so the sort of the other behind the
Speaker 10: scenes is we feel like as more states, so we
Speaker 10: talked about states like potentially making them illegal in the future.
Speaker 10: We feel like if because it was so simple math, right,
Speaker 10: there'll be a million siguncers approved this year two hundred
Speaker 10: dollars each. That's two hundred million. That's a lot of
Speaker 10: money to go to conservation, and a lot of that
Speaker 10: trickles down to the state level. So we feel like
Speaker 10: if states like Oregon, Washington State are starting to get
Speaker 10: some of that money, maybe they would be less likely
Speaker 10: to make them illegal in the future. But the reverse
Speaker 10: is true too, like Illinois, or we talked about, you know,
Speaker 10: some of these other states that you know, Massachusetts, Delaware,
Speaker 10: Rhode Island, some of these states where they're not currently illegal,
Speaker 10: if they thought they could get more funding through Petman Robertson,
Speaker 10: if they became legal and started transferring through their state,
Speaker 10: then maybe they would be more open to getting them.
Speaker 10: So it's kind of a win win. We do find
Speaker 10: the Democrats and Republicans are interested in conservation, so it's
Speaker 10: it's an interesting bill that we hope eventually we'll get through.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It's a kind of an odd little irony is that
Speaker 1: some of these states that they haven't made it legal
Speaker 1: are some of the states we would regard as the
Speaker 1: biggest sort of like what you call a nanny state. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: meaning when you buy like some fishing sinkers in California, right,
Speaker 1: it comes with like the death message about you know,
Speaker 1: all the bad things that come from fish and anchors,
Speaker 1: and they take so many steps, you know, like the
Speaker 1: states where you can't bump your own gas or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, when you fill out a lease to run
Speaker 1: an apartment's just pages and pages and pages of all
Speaker 1: the hazards and risks inherent in life. It would seem
Speaker 1: that you would have some sympathy from those states that
Speaker 1: are so protective of saving people from themselves, meaning like
Speaker 1: can't use fireworks or whatever. Yea, you're like saving people
Speaker 1: from themselves and constantly warning people of the dangers of
Speaker 1: everyday activities. It surprises me that they wouldn't say, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever guns we do allow people to have, we should
Speaker 1: allow them to tone the noise down totally.
Speaker 10: I like that.
Speaker 1: It's perfect because.
Speaker 5: It's a much bigger public health concern for noise exposure
Speaker 5: than for safety when you look at the crime statistics.
Speaker 4: Just like you guys were talking about earlier.
Speaker 5: I mean, what we need to save people from is
Speaker 5: the long term health impact of the hearing loss that
Speaker 5: comes as a result from guns without suppressors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or blowing your own kids ear drums out, which
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know it's and I mean I don't
Speaker 5: want to derail the conversation here, but I also want
Speaker 5: to just point out a number of people that I
Speaker 5: talked to in preparation for this told me that they
Speaker 5: love suppressors, especially for their kids, because their kids aren't
Speaker 5: as afraid of the recoil. But these people are seeing
Speaker 5: some of the vernacular on the websites and in the
Speaker 5: marketing that says that with a suppressor they're hearing safe
Speaker 5: and you don't need hearing protection, when that's.
Speaker 4: Just not true.
Speaker 5: In fact, it's one hundred and forty dbpsbl that's considered
Speaker 5: the limit for safe impulse sound for an adult, but
Speaker 5: it's one twenty for a kid, and that's a very
Speaker 5: different measure. And if you guys want to get into
Speaker 5: the logarithmic scale and how every three dB increase is
Speaker 5: a doubling of sound pressure at your ear drum, we
Speaker 5: can get into that. But I just want to that
Speaker 5: it's a huge safety issue when you're talking about sounds
Speaker 5: that are that loud.
Speaker 4: So it's not either or in my opinion, it's both.
Speaker 1: And no, I got you. I got you, And and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm trying to think of how I
Speaker 1: do it myself. I feel like I've not put any
Speaker 1: hearing protection in shooting my rifle when you're shooting your suppressor, Garrett,
Speaker 1: do you do any hearing protection.
Speaker 2: At the range? I?
Speaker 1: Do you do?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because like if you're jamming fifty sixty rounds, it's still
Speaker 2: gonna get to you. Like or if I'm competing with
Speaker 2: a suppressor, I'll throw throw hearing pro in. It's usually
Speaker 2: it's not over ears, right, It'll just be like which
Speaker 2: is a lot more convenient. It'll either be just foamys
Speaker 2: or like an in ear.
Speaker 5: Honey, I'm gonna challenge you a little bit because when
Speaker 5: you say it doesn't get to you, what are you
Speaker 5: facing that on?
Speaker 2: I said, it does get to me.
Speaker 6: Oh I thought you said, Yo, if I shoot.
Speaker 2: Like fifty or sixty rounds, it still does get to me.
Speaker 1: But you're saying that. Grace is saying a lot's happening
Speaker 1: before it gets to you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I'm tracking. But I think I
Speaker 2: think like where it's been a huge game changer. And
Speaker 2: Grace and I talked about this, like I think the
Speaker 2: first time you came to Meteor, She's like, the reality
Speaker 2: with hearing protection is people don't wear it right hunting honting, right,
Speaker 2: So like we're going up the mountain. Oh there's an elk.
Speaker 2: Hold On a second, I'm gonna throw in my hearing pro.
Speaker 2: You've done it like twice in your life, don't well.
Speaker 5: And I think that the reason why people don't wear
Speaker 5: it is what ODO pro has been on a crusade
Speaker 5: to evangelize, which is that these don't have to be
Speaker 5: phonies that are uncomfortable and fall out and block everything.
Speaker 5: You know, we can preserve your localization ability and your
Speaker 5: ability to carry on conversation and even to be able
Speaker 5: to hear game at an advantage at a farther distance
Speaker 5: of our electronic options that are on the market.
Speaker 4: So you know that's not a valid excuse anymore.
Speaker 5: But when I'm looking at the stats and the data
Speaker 5: from the very best studies, some that are done by
Speaker 5: medical personnel for the military, other studies that have been
Speaker 5: done by silencer companies, and you're looking at all of
Speaker 5: these numbers with the goal of getting things to an
Speaker 5: average peak SPL of one hundred and forty so that
Speaker 5: it can be labeled as hearing safe. What's not taken
Speaker 5: into account is all of the variables, the fact that
Speaker 5: the temperature is going to change the speed of sound,
Speaker 5: the fact that the length of your barrel, what kind
Speaker 5: of an action system, whether you've got direct impingement or
Speaker 5: piston gas. You know, it's it's all affecting how loud
Speaker 5: it is at your ear drum. Also, the first round
Speaker 5: pop is noticeably louder.
Speaker 4: Brandon, do you want to talk about that a little
Speaker 4: bit about how the.
Speaker 5: First time when you shoot a gun suppressed, it's going
Speaker 5: to be significantly louder, you.
Speaker 10: Know, And just to clarify our testing experts here, but
Speaker 10: you know, I think it's based on design. So years ago,
Speaker 10: a lot of people would make like a monolithic silencer
Speaker 10: where it was basically one baffle inside, and those did
Speaker 10: have a louder pop because the air was colder and
Speaker 10: you had to actually heat it up. And I used
Speaker 10: to always kind of be against that because I'm like,
Speaker 10: why would you want in a hunting scenario your first
Speaker 10: shot to be the loudest. So that's why we we
Speaker 10: actually switched to stack baffles. But I have found in
Speaker 10: stack baffles typically that's no longer the case. You don't
Speaker 10: always see the first round pop. You don't see the
Speaker 10: first shot as loud, because again, it used to be
Speaker 10: a big thing years ago. We would sort of promote
Speaker 10: it as, hey, we don't have any first round pop.
Speaker 10: Everybody else does. But now when you start testing, if
Speaker 10: they have a lot of baffles and their stack baffles,
Speaker 10: you don't see that as much. I don't, Lucas, do
Speaker 10: you see many things that have first round pop like
Speaker 10: that as much.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think all suppressors have some some first
Speaker 8: round pop, but it just really depends on the design
Speaker 8: to see how much do they have. You know, there's
Speaker 8: you know, when that suppressor is cold, there's oxygen in there,
Speaker 8: and then you fire that first round. That purnt unburnt
Speaker 8: gunpowder is what's exploding and creating that that noise. Then
Speaker 8: when it's really heated up, but you're firing multiple times.
Speaker 6: But explain it just a little bit more, because I
Speaker 6: still think, like everybody's understanding, there's there's oxygen in the
Speaker 6: in the suppressor at the end of the gun, but
Speaker 6: now you've introduced unburned gunpowder, So really explain exactly what's
Speaker 6: going on that's making it louder than the next shot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that that unburnt gunpowder as it exits the
Speaker 8: end of the barrel, there enters that first chamber of
Speaker 8: the firearm. Where there's the most volume of air and oxygen,
Speaker 8: and so that's where where it ignites, and and you'll
Speaker 8: you'll get that loud sound from.
Speaker 1: Why does that go away on the second shot?
Speaker 8: Because once that that's expelled, it almost creates a vacuum
Speaker 8: within the suppressor as that bullet exits and and the
Speaker 8: air flows through, and it expels all of that additional
Speaker 8: oxygen and air, and it's also heated up at that
Speaker 8: point in time. So if you do multiple shots in
Speaker 8: a row, you won't necessarily see that. It'll get pretty consistent.
Speaker 8: But if you then let the suppressor cool down, or
Speaker 8: you leave your action open and let airflow through it,
Speaker 8: you might see that again as you shoot again.
Speaker 1: Got it? I wanna, I want to do a thing here,
Speaker 1: and I wanna I want to a little bit clarify
Speaker 1: what we're hearing from Grace and and and be clear. Uh, Grace,
Speaker 1: it's fair to say that from your perspective as a
Speaker 1: as an audiologist and a hearing protection evangelists and someone
Speaker 1: that like like you, like prescribe hearing aids and check
Speaker 1: people's hearing and all that kind of stuff. Right, you're
Speaker 1: saying that, Uh, you're saying you're all for suppressors, but
Speaker 1: don't make the mistake of shooting without hearing. In addition,
Speaker 1: use hearing protection.
Speaker 5: That's right, and I think a good way to illustrate
Speaker 5: that is to talk about what we call the three
Speaker 5: dB rule. When when you're talking about sound pressure, you're
Speaker 5: talking about decibels, and it's not a linear scale, it's
Speaker 5: not one to one, it's logarithmic, and the curve has
Speaker 5: an exponential growth pattern for sound pressure. So that means
Speaker 5: that when you're going from let's just look at decibels
Speaker 5: that relate to suppressed sound levels. So when you look
Speaker 5: at sound at suppressed sound level data from testing, you'll
Speaker 5: see suppressed levels that range anywhere from one hundred and
Speaker 5: I'm looking at some right in front of me where
Speaker 5: the average is one hundred and forty. But the first
Speaker 5: round pop was one forty five, and then you get
Speaker 5: a one forty, a one thirty seven, a one thirty nine,
Speaker 5: another one thirty seven. Basically, you've got like a five
Speaker 5: decibel range of what you're getting on the individual pops. Okay,
Speaker 5: but for every three decibel increase, every three decibel increase
Speaker 5: roughly doubles the sound pressure level at your ear drop
Speaker 5: and causes an exponential increase risk for hearing loss, which
Speaker 5: is why when you're looking at the OSHA standards for
Speaker 5: workplace environments, for example, the allowable time exposure for a
Speaker 5: sound level is going to be correlated such that you know,
Speaker 5: ninety decibels over an eight hour workday is permitted.
Speaker 4: But when you take that up to.
Speaker 5: Ninety three decibels, you're only going to be allowed four hours,
Speaker 5: got it. So there's a trade off there, But that
Speaker 5: means that when you go from one hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: eight decibels to one hundred and forty one decibels on
Speaker 5: a reading which can be again influenced by temperature atmosphere
Speaker 5: where you are, those variables make a huge.
Speaker 4: Difference in the risk to your hearing.
Speaker 5: So when we're teetering right there on that line of
Speaker 5: does this suppressed gunshot actually fall within allowable category?
Speaker 6: Does it?
Speaker 5: You know what's the standard deviation there? I'm going to
Speaker 5: recommend adding earplugs every time, especially for kids.
Speaker 1: If you want to have a fun party or at
Speaker 1: an event, have someone come out and stick that custom
Speaker 1: earwhag Grace came to our office one day and everybody
Speaker 1: got to get the she like comes with this big needle,
Speaker 1: not a.
Speaker 5: Not a needle, not a needle, and.
Speaker 1: She injects this hot wax into your ear.
Speaker 4: It's not hot, she's just.
Speaker 1: Not a needle. She molds. I'm joking. She she molds.
Speaker 1: She molds everyone's ears. So if you're having like a whatever,
Speaker 1: you're having an event, a corporate event, I don't know,
Speaker 1: she'll come out and mold everyone's ears and then give
Speaker 1: get you custom plugs because I would complain to Grace.
Speaker 1: I'll carry my ear plugs around for ten days, and
Speaker 1: then when someone at the end of the hunt, when
Speaker 1: someone finally gets to make the shot, I don't put
Speaker 1: the sun's bitches in and so have a like good ear.
Speaker 4: You know you're you're getting better about that.
Speaker 1: A thousand times better. I'm gonna tell you a story.
Speaker 1: I was with my kid and we were pig hunting
Speaker 1: on my buddy's ranch, and we snuck up on some pigs.
Speaker 1: His mom poundered hearing protection into him so much we
Speaker 1: snuck up on some pigs. He informs me he does
Speaker 1: not have his hearing protection. We snuck out back to
Speaker 1: the truck, got the hearing protection, snuck back in, and
Speaker 1: then shot the pig.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I was trying to fight
Speaker 1: against him on this and he's like, Mom said, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the next generation is going to have better hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm headed toward hearing aids like the damage is done
Speaker 1: on me.
Speaker 5: Well, but hopefully we're going to stabilize it and slow
Speaker 5: down that progression as much as we can.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If I yelled to someone. I had this recently
Speaker 1: when I was at our Fisheck, I'd yell to our
Speaker 1: neighbor and the neighborhood say something and I would turn
Speaker 1: to my kid and they go, he said, like, what
Speaker 1: the is he talking about? Oh? He said to whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you hear that? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Great? If I If I uh, if it happens to
Speaker 6: take me, say, five shots to kill my prong horn
Speaker 6: on my upcoming hunt, and every single shot registers right
Speaker 6: at one hundred and forty, you're way over, am I
Speaker 6: getting that hearing damage?
Speaker 5: One hundred and forty is the recommendation for the limit
Speaker 5: for a peak exposure over an eight hour period of time.
Speaker 5: It's assuming you're going to shoot that gun one time.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a long chase.
Speaker 6: So the answer is yes, it's five days.
Speaker 4: Which is.
Speaker 5: You start asking yourself the question of did you have
Speaker 5: that crack from supersonic ammunition on top of that that
Speaker 5: was not suppressed. That's another one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy just before the actual blast of
Speaker 5: the gun. So your ears having to take on that
Speaker 5: assault as well. So why not us join forces. Let's
Speaker 5: odo pro and silence are central. Put out some PSA
Speaker 5: where you get a pack of earplugs with every suppressor
Speaker 5: because the two are better together. That's what I in
Speaker 5: reading a lot.
Speaker 4: Of Better Together.
Speaker 5: I think Jack Jack Johnson has a great song with
Speaker 5: Better Together.
Speaker 3: It's always been oh you would, Oh you would Jack Johnson?
Speaker 6: Please, I just.
Speaker 5: Jack Johnson view. But honestly, it's like that's that's the
Speaker 5: PSA right there. It's that when you combine some great
Speaker 5: hearing protection that still allows you to maintain localization, conversation,
Speaker 5: game awareness, and just the sounds you enjoy in nature,
Speaker 5: and you pair that with a with a suppressors, that's
Speaker 5: going to get you down close to one. Then now
Speaker 5: we're talking. Now we're talking, let's put.
Speaker 3: That man actually speaking of great combinations, grace and great pairings.
Speaker 3: We have a meat Eater silenced or central suppressor on
Speaker 3: the table. It's gonna do the industry.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what. Meat eater dot com also carries
Speaker 5: the oudopro impulse, which should.
Speaker 4: Just be.
Speaker 3: Concert.
Speaker 6: We'll make it a thing, Grace that we'll offer a
Speaker 6: combo package at some point when we start slinging these things, Grace.
Speaker 1: Com I hear you. I'm using my words carefully. I
Speaker 1: hear you. And you when you came and sat in
Speaker 1: our studio, it like it. It changed my It was
Speaker 1: it was the pep talk. I needed to start getting
Speaker 1: serious about my ears. Awesome. A little late, a little late,
Speaker 1: but for the next generation.
Speaker 5: But not too late because to your point from the
Speaker 5: beginning of the episode, if you're listening to this right now,
Speaker 5: you're using your ears.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about the suppressors in front of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So we have like kind of a
Speaker 2: timeline of suppressors here that we worked silence at Central
Speaker 2: on to back up. Brandon and the team came to
Speaker 2: us a couple of years ago and they're like, man,
Speaker 2: we should build like a suppressor together. See one of
Speaker 2: those supressers that this is the final product there, Steve.
Speaker 2: So they came to us and they're like, let's build
Speaker 2: something together for for Hunters, and uh, frankly, I think
Speaker 2: we all had like an internal dialogue and we didn't
Speaker 2: really want to do it because a lot of times
Speaker 2: that means that we just put our logo on something
Speaker 2: and we're not really involved in the process. But Brandon, yeah,
Speaker 2: do whatever you want, Brandon, the team link. I knew
Speaker 2: that was gonna happen.
Speaker 6: That's why.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Uh Brandon and the team introduced us to
Speaker 2: Lucas and uh that piece is gone, oh man and
Speaker 2: uh and they were like, no, like really, let's build
Speaker 2: this thing how you want to build us wrestler. So
Speaker 2: Jannis cal and I had kind of the first introduction
Speaker 2: call with Lucas and the engineers at Silence are Central
Speaker 2: and provided a bunch of feedback on length weight suppressors.
Speaker 2: We like supressers, we don't how important the sound level
Speaker 2: is versus recoil. And from there, a lot of myself
Speaker 2: and then Matt over here started working with Lucas and
Speaker 2: the team to kind of build what we feel like
Speaker 2: is not currently on the market, so what we wanted
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm going to turn it over to
Speaker 2: Lucas to really like talk through the engineering of this.
Speaker 2: But from a goal perspective, we wanted something that was
Speaker 2: light for hunting, that was long enough to get the
Speaker 2: suppression that we wanted, but not so long that the
Speaker 2: overall length of your rifle wasn't like carrying a crane
Speaker 2: up the mountain.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: So the other thing that we wanted, knowing that a
Speaker 2: lot of us are hunting with bigger calibers, is a
Speaker 2: decent level of recoil reduction that isn't seen on the
Speaker 2: market right now in suppressors. But not only that, being
Speaker 2: able to tune the break that you see on the
Speaker 2: end of the suppressor to make the gases disperse the
Speaker 2: way that we want them. So, like you've shot a
Speaker 2: lot of muzzle breaks, right, we've kind of gotten away
Speaker 2: from like radio breaks in general, because it just kind
Speaker 2: of pushes air in all directions, which can push it
Speaker 2: down into the dirt. You get dust kicking up can
Speaker 2: also cause a little bit of muzzle flip up, Right.
Speaker 2: That's why most muzzle breaks you see are directional. They
Speaker 2: have ports out the side and large and some on
Speaker 2: the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to explain that thing about about being
Speaker 1: able to tune them, yeah, or go ahead and explain,
Speaker 1: because you know, let's say you're aiming at a target
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away at the range, and you shoot,
Speaker 1: and every time in your gun settles it'll usually be
Speaker 1: and this is a function of posture and other things,
Speaker 1: it'll usually be. Then what lands You'll find that it's
Speaker 1: always to the.
Speaker 6: Right, right, So you like a lefty shooter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that the other day. Yep. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna bounce in some some predictable fashion. In the
Speaker 1: perfect world, it bounces and lands back and when you
Speaker 1: when everything settles, you're right back on the target. Yep.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to go look for what happened.
Speaker 1: That's how people miss. Yeah, they don't. They're not tracking
Speaker 1: what's going on. At the end of it. They shoot.
Speaker 1: They never see what happened. All of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: animals is gone. They don't know if it fell over,
Speaker 1: if it ran off, because their scope settled elsewhere. And
Speaker 1: it's possible I didn't. I don't even I didn't even
Speaker 1: really know this till a couple of years ago, that
Speaker 1: with a muzzle break and with with the suppressor, it's
Speaker 1: possible to try to tune that out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like if you screw a muzzle break on,
Speaker 2: because that's like the most drastic if you look at
Speaker 2: your break and on that like if it's directional, it
Speaker 2: just has the side ports on it, that break is
Speaker 2: like at a forty five degree angle. It's going to
Speaker 2: be a pretty drastic like shift in that rifle. When
Speaker 2: it reads jump, it's going to jump one way or
Speaker 2: the other, depending on how you have that right. So
Speaker 2: when you talk about tuning a break, like a lot
Speaker 2: of them have like a locking caliber on there where
Speaker 2: you can make it like perfectly flat. So the gas
Speaker 2: is coming out at a ninety degree angle to the
Speaker 2: barrels right, and that's gonna keep that gun kind of
Speaker 2: just like directly coming back if depending on if you're
Speaker 2: right or left handed, then you can and depending on
Speaker 2: how you shoot. You have some guys that they'll they'll
Speaker 2: put the rifle like the stock way out on their shoulder, right,
Speaker 2: People like me come right below the right eye, and
Speaker 2: so it's gonna jump differently depending on that. And then
Speaker 2: that's where you'll just kind of tune that brake angle
Speaker 2: a little bit to where when it jumps, it just
Speaker 2: kind of jumps straight up and comes right.
Speaker 1: Back down, which is pretty satisfying.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, what we wanted with this is to
Speaker 2: create something similar with with this break to where you
Speaker 2: could make it to where not all these ports are open,
Speaker 2: and then you can adjust how that recoil is gonna
Speaker 2: disperse or how those gases are going to disperse out
Speaker 2: the end of the barrel, and how you feel that
Speaker 2: recoil and how that thatkind jumps, which has never been
Speaker 2: done right. You see a lot of users out there
Speaker 2: that have a radial style break just like this one,
Speaker 2: where it's it's poured it all the way around, but
Speaker 2: they have no way of turning off part of those
Speaker 2: some of those brakes or those ports are not And
Speaker 2: that's Luca's I think the best thing to do is
Speaker 2: have you explain kind of how you solved for that.
Speaker 6: Is everybody clear that we combined a break with a suppressor?
Speaker 6: Is that clear? So we feel like that's clear?
Speaker 5: Honestly, That's what I was like hanging on. I'm going
Speaker 5: is that is that what they're saying?
Speaker 4: It's both.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the brake is on the end of the suppressor,
Speaker 8: so it's it's acting as part of the suppressor, but
Speaker 8: also the ability to adjust it as you're shooting. You know,
Speaker 8: every time you put this, you know, put this silence
Speaker 8: around a different firearm, it's going to be rotated differently
Speaker 8: once you thread that all the way on the barrel.
Speaker 8: And so that's why that's why we're looking at how
Speaker 8: do you tune that and time that so that you
Speaker 8: don't have that muzzle blast shooting down into the dirt
Speaker 8: if you're laying prone, but instead have it shooting directly
Speaker 8: out to the sides and directly vertical both for it's
Speaker 8: obviously keep your gun from jumping, but just reduce that
Speaker 8: muzzle rise as you're shooting and be able to stay
Speaker 8: on target longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get if you hand him the suppress or there, Steve,
Speaker 2: I think you should talk through like how you solve
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, like a normal radio break on
Speaker 8: a suppressor. We've got holes all the way throughout this
Speaker 8: this end cap here, but there's a sleeve inside of
Speaker 8: it that gives the shooter the option to adjust it
Speaker 8: to their firearm, so it specifically tuned to their gun
Speaker 8: no matter how they're shooting it. So this this sleeve
Speaker 8: inside can be adjusted to only open the ports on
Speaker 8: the side and the ports on the top, close the
Speaker 8: ports on the bottom, depending how that's installed onto the gun.
Speaker 8: So that gives you basically the best recoil reduction possible
Speaker 8: with the silencer. You know, just out out testing, you know,
Speaker 8: see almost a ten percent increase with opening those ports
Speaker 8: up compared to just a silencer alone. Yep.
Speaker 6: Yeah, bought that same piece there. If you want, you
Speaker 6: can bit right and then take the break out completely.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 8: So going back to to how do we get this
Speaker 8: thing as quiet as possible to reduce as much noise
Speaker 8: and hearing damage as possible. If you're not as concerned
Speaker 8: with the recoil, you can flip this piece around and
Speaker 8: put it in here and it will shut off all
Speaker 8: of these ports. So that's gonna make it as quiet
Speaker 8: quite as possible, because when those ports are open, they're
Speaker 8: letting additional gas out that would have been trapped in
Speaker 8: that silencer for longer.
Speaker 1: So less noise, more recoil. Correct yep, gotcha. Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing I think that should be pointed out on
Speaker 1: suppressors too.
Speaker 7: Is.
Speaker 1: You can just because you're shooting a suppressor doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't turn around and shoot unsuppressed, like whatever difference
Speaker 1: you find in your rifle between your suppressor and not
Speaker 1: as fixed like it's you're gonna be when you put
Speaker 1: your supressor on, You're gonna be a little lower than
Speaker 1: your normal point of impact, but it's gonna be predictable.
Speaker 1: You could take that thing off shoot, put it on shoot,
Speaker 1: take an off shoot, put it on shoot, take it
Speaker 1: off off shoot, and you're gonna wind up with two
Speaker 1: distinct groups. It's always the same, and you just have
Speaker 1: it in your head about what the difference is if
Speaker 1: you like, if whatever, if you always shoot suppress or
Speaker 1: you're going somewhere you don't want to bring your suppressor
Speaker 1: because of whatever reason, you would know that like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a fixed MOA off and it's not random.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah, because you're just dealing basically like gravity.
Speaker 1: That's just right.
Speaker 2: And if you give like really nerd out where that
Speaker 2: changes as angles because gravity has a different pull on it.
Speaker 1: It's a good point.
Speaker 2: So if you have a suppressor on the end of
Speaker 2: your barrel and then you point up, that's gonna pull
Speaker 2: different than if you're you know, parallel with the ground
Speaker 2: and vice versa. It could be lighter, right if if
Speaker 2: you don't have suppressor on there, that's a little different
Speaker 2: nerd out.
Speaker 1: But no, like Garrett gave me the best nerd out
Speaker 1: I'd ever heard of their day, gun nut nerd out, check
Speaker 1: this out. Yeah, listen, your bullet comes out at spinning
Speaker 1: clockwise from your perspective. Okay, if there's a cross wind,
Speaker 1: your bullet splinting. So you're you're the shooter. I think
Speaker 1: of this as yourself shooting. You're shooting your bullets flying
Speaker 1: towards target. It's spinning clockwise. If there's a wind coming
Speaker 1: from your right, that bullet is gonna I'm gonna say, climb.
Speaker 1: It's gonna not drop as quickly because of it rotating
Speaker 1: clockwise into a wind and it's basically climbing the wind.
Speaker 1: Its rate of drop would be different if it had
Speaker 1: a wind from the left, which is driving it down
Speaker 1: down faster.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's also dependent on like the twist rate of
Speaker 2: your barrel. So if you have a one to eight twist,
Speaker 2: that's gonna climb or drop faster than if you had
Speaker 2: one ten or one twelve.
Speaker 1: This is all stuff I'm going to factor in when
Speaker 1: i'm shooting bucks ate hundred yards too, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's you can nerd out on that. I
Speaker 2: think where we had a lot of fun with this
Speaker 2: one man, and we got to test it with Giannis yesterday.
Speaker 2: We did a little experiment. Man, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: this little break on the end of this suppressor is
Speaker 2: a huge factor. But like Lucas said, when you have
Speaker 2: that break engaged, it's a ten percent more reduction in recoil,
Speaker 2: which when you're shooting a three hundred wind mag like
Speaker 2: you'll take everything you can get, right, but you lose like,
Speaker 2: what was it like five or six decibels right of suppression. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you're out with Rosie and you know your
Speaker 2: guys are shooting the cross, you shut off these ports
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you get all the suppression that
Speaker 2: you want out of it, right, and you're shooting a
Speaker 2: lighter caliber and you don't have to worry about the
Speaker 2: recoil as much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, open or closed. I was impressed. We shot three
Speaker 6: hundred win mag yesterday, one hundred and eighty grain bullet
Speaker 6: and uh. The main other suppressor that I used is
Speaker 6: a nine inch Banish thirty that the Monal name and
Speaker 6: uh so consumerably bigger than this one. And I would
Speaker 6: say that this one, like, I don't I didn't shoot
Speaker 6: it right next to each other, but it seemed as
Speaker 6: though it was almost apples to apples and like it
Speaker 6: really quieted down and the requil was like that gun
Speaker 6: was fun and easy to shoot. I was doubled up
Speaker 6: with hearing protections. Yeah, when I was trying to communicate
Speaker 6: with Lucas, we had to make eye contact.
Speaker 1: Cal brought that up duck hunt with my kids, But
Speaker 1: I put all the hearing protection on my kids, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can yell at them.
Speaker 8: Come back here?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: They just are going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like they're like on a space walk essentially.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of Do we have an MSRP
Speaker 6: yet for the one that we're making?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is? What is? Tell people? What does this
Speaker 1: suppressor cost?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this one's going to be twelve ninety nine?
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, seems like a lot of people are gonna
Speaker 6: say it seems like a lot of money for like
Speaker 6: a metal tube. Why does the suppressor cost one thousand dollars?
Speaker 10: It's one hundred percent titanium. Titanium is hard to source
Speaker 10: a machine. You saw him take it apart. People want
Speaker 10: to take him apart and clean them. There's not many
Speaker 10: of them out there you can take apart and clean.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 10: One thing we didn't talk about is we let people
Speaker 10: pay why they wait. I know, we get quicker turnarounds,
Speaker 10: but some guys are gonna take a few months to
Speaker 10: get it if he's the guy that's been arrested or whatever.
Speaker 10: We let you pay. Why you wait, so you don't
Speaker 10: do it all at once, okay.
Speaker 6: But to answer the question, then it would be because
Speaker 6: of the design. Yeah, it goes into it, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 6: and the materials.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of small parts there.
Speaker 8: Yeah. And everything that we do is you know, precision machined,
Speaker 8: So just a lot of time and quality that goes
Speaker 8: into it to make make the product like it is.
Speaker 1: Which which adds to that, where do you guys do
Speaker 1: all that work? All?
Speaker 3: We got two.
Speaker 8: Facilities that we do in the Midwest that that we
Speaker 8: work really closely with that that do the machining for us.
Speaker 1: I want to make of that. What do they start with?
Speaker 8: It's all started from either a solid bar or tube
Speaker 8: and then they make each of the components.
Speaker 1: All right, man, so tell people how to find you guys.
Speaker 6: No, first, I want to know about cleaning them. We
Speaker 6: touch on cleaning them.
Speaker 1: Because everybody's actually going to clean one of those.
Speaker 9: You have to.
Speaker 6: You have to because mine right now, I have one,
Speaker 6: the Vanish thirty, which you can change it from nine
Speaker 6: to seven inches. You probably own one of those two,
Speaker 6: do uh? And I'm guessing since you haven't cleaned it,
Speaker 6: yours also is locked up and you can't take it
Speaker 6: apart right now.
Speaker 1: Like mine, I wouldn't know because I don't have gone
Speaker 1: and cleaned it. Yeah, so I should be cleaning it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk through that, because I think that's really
Speaker 6: important because right now I'm comny shots.
Speaker 10: You know, the clean So they usually base it on
Speaker 10: the fact that it may not need cleaning, but if
Speaker 10: you wait too long, it's harder to get it apart. God,
Speaker 10: so they say every couple hundred rounds.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 10: The thing that seems to work the best for cleaning
Speaker 10: the eggs is taking all the baffles out and putting
Speaker 10: it like a CLR that calcium lime rust remover. It's
Speaker 10: basically acid. It'll eat the carbon right off of it.
Speaker 10: Some people do a fifty to fifty mix, but you
Speaker 10: probably don't want to use it on soak the whole
Speaker 10: tube in there because it can mess up the Sarah coding.
Speaker 1: Just the baffles.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you can run a brush through it to
Speaker 10: get it out. But yeah, you can let the baffles.
Speaker 10: I mean they're one hundred percent titano.
Speaker 1: So that's Sarah Codd titanium.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yep. Absolutely. You can see this. So the logo
Speaker 10: sticks out. It's two layers of Sarah cotes, so you
Speaker 10: have a different color. So when it gets engraved, you
Speaker 10: can see the bottom layer as well.
Speaker 1: Well that's cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but so it's that easy unscrew the yeah, the
Speaker 6: back you know, we have baffles out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and we have a baffle removal tool if they
Speaker 10: do get carbon up or you can actually push them out.
Speaker 10: It's a little device that you turn and it pushes
Speaker 10: the baffles out yep. And then you just basically put
Speaker 10: it in cleaner overnight. It's going to eat it up.
Speaker 1: I feel like a jackass, and then just rinse them
Speaker 1: to differ exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, your your zero will shift.
Speaker 1: To just like if you have just like if your
Speaker 1: gun's filthy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why he hasn't done it yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also you can because maybe it was aware
Speaker 1: of that, but just being dumb, I don't know.
Speaker 10: It starts messing with your volume too, So if you're
Speaker 10: decreasing the volume and your signs or it can potentially
Speaker 10: get louder so to be able to open up the
Speaker 10: volume again.
Speaker 1: Right, here's another I got another question too, are you
Speaker 1: good on cleaning? What's the at what point will there
Speaker 1: be more of a discussion about suppressed shotguns and like
Speaker 1: will you ever have it be that you can still
Speaker 1: have a site of a flat plane on top.
Speaker 10: I know what's on our R and D list, Like
Speaker 10: how do.
Speaker 1: You aim it? Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it's like think about what to do to like traditional
Speaker 1: shotgun shooting to have a raised Yeah, so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you got to keep it under under that site
Speaker 8: picture that you have on just your normal rifles today.
Speaker 8: But you also don't don't want too much weight out
Speaker 8: there to to impact your swing as you're you're pulling
Speaker 8: ye bird either. So it's kind of a delicate, delicate
Speaker 8: situation to design around on how do you how do
Speaker 8: you keep it as small and light as possible but
Speaker 8: still cut down that the sound on you know, your
Speaker 8: twelve gage with a three inch magnum shell in there
Speaker 8: and shooting geese out there. So he's he's been pestering
Speaker 8: me quite a while to come up with one. So
Speaker 8: we're working on one here.
Speaker 1: Well indoor country for old man. He had a sweet one.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Do you hear the sound out of that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that could be a thing in the future.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, there's a there's a couple out on the
Speaker 8: market today, but really trying to find one that works
Speaker 8: for all hunting, all hunters and all aspects of you know,
Speaker 8: whether that's turkey, de goose to duck or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know one guy that shoots the suppress
Speaker 1: around the shotgun for turkeys, but then he runs he
Speaker 1: runs a red dot on an elevated platform to get
Speaker 1: up and over the thing. But that has no for like,
Speaker 1: wing shooting is just not a yeah, not a thing.
Speaker 6: Oh it's about to be, you think, So are you
Speaker 6: just talking to say talking about Yeah, yeah, it becoming
Speaker 6: a thing people in the industry that are like trying
Speaker 6: it and going, oh my god, that works good.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. I still think of that as a very
Speaker 1: loud activity.
Speaker 3: Wing shooting, shooting ducks.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm talking about the elevated sights on shotguns.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I think it meant like a way
Speaker 1: that you'd ever solve you'd ever be able to wing
Speaker 1: shoot with traditional form wing shoot a suppressed shotgun, because
Speaker 1: think about it, like the can on the end would
Speaker 1: change everything. It'd be above your rib. It'd be above
Speaker 1: your rib and your bead.
Speaker 6: Although technically you're not looking at that anyways.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, you know if your will primos apparently not.
Speaker 1: I am aware of my bead when I shoot, even
Speaker 1: though I should apparently should not be. All right, Well, Grace,
Speaker 1: tell people how to find you so they can so
Speaker 1: they can get some some they can talk through their
Speaker 1: options on hearing protection. And I'm gonna if my wife
Speaker 1: gets her way, I'm going to be coming to you
Speaker 1: from my hearing aids pretty soon.
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Speaker 4: is online.
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Speaker 4: And then our.
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Speaker 1: My buddy Pat Dirkin, who I mentioned, he said he's
Speaker 1: got a setting on his hearing aids where he can
Speaker 1: make his grandkids basically vanish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that wouldn't be too hard to do. Actually, you
Speaker 5: just you find the picture of their voices and just
Speaker 5: turn it down out.
Speaker 1: He said, he can mess with his He can make
Speaker 1: it that he can't hear his wife. He can make
Speaker 1: it that he only hears the TV. He can make
Speaker 1: it that he doesn't hear his grandkids in the background.
Speaker 4: So tell me here.
Speaker 5: Hearing aids have become pretty cool little techie devices.
Speaker 4: They're not what your grandma were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then let's talk about how to find
Speaker 1: Silence a central and how to begin the process of
Speaker 1: getting a suppressor if you're in one of the four
Speaker 1: fifths of states that allow you to do so.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you just go to silence orcentral dot com or
Speaker 10: do Google search or silence are Central. And like you said,
Speaker 10: we can mail the meat eater suppressor. After they do
Speaker 10: the paperwork, it gets approved right to the front door,
Speaker 10: so making it super convenient.
Speaker 1: No, fourteen months.
Speaker 10: We haven't seen any that long in a long time,
Speaker 10: which is great.
Speaker 1: No, it's sitting in some weird backroom at the sporting
Speaker 1: good store for fourteen months.
Speaker 10: No, Nope, it's super quick. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 10: we're seeing three to five days on transfers. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: changed everything. Really. I mean we were talking about the
Speaker 10: Hare Protection Act earlier. I think that there's less of
Speaker 10: an argument for the Haring Protection Act, like you said,
Speaker 10: now that you're getting up so quickly, because that was
Speaker 10: the big plant, you know, the big pain point was
Speaker 10: I gotta wait how long? And now that that's gone away,
Speaker 10: I think that, you know, it's going to probably be
Speaker 10: harder to pass a hairing Protection Act because people aren't
Speaker 10: as passionate about it now.
Speaker 1: But I do like that little hook you were talking
Speaker 1: about of being like, Okay, let's throw this into.
Speaker 10: Pittman roberts On hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Throw that two hundred bucks into that pile.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's growing at forty percent per year, and that'd
Speaker 10: be two hundred million this year. So that's a that's
Speaker 10: a lot of money to go into conservation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's Pittman Robbins normally come in at
Speaker 1: a billion? Yeah, somewhere around.
Speaker 3: A billion in the last couple of years. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a huge.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the biggest I'm no mathematician, but big individual.
Speaker 3: Well, we just threw out four fifth, so I was
Speaker 3: trying to do that math, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can't help with that like that.
Speaker 3: I mean a good time to point out though too,
Speaker 3: like Brandon and Silence through Central have been huge supporters
Speaker 3: of conservation. They're donating a ton of suppressors for a
Speaker 3: bunch of different groups that are kicking ass out there.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 3: A lot of good a lot of goods and services.
Speaker 10: So yeah, we're up to seven point six million dollars
Speaker 10: since we started it. Really yeah, right, Yeah, the push
Speaker 10: is anyone out there that has local conservation type activities
Speaker 10: where they need a fundraiser, we give away free silencers
Speaker 10: and we let them keep one hundred percent of the proceeds.
Speaker 1: So and then you guys run the process for whoever
Speaker 1: wins it.
Speaker 10: Yep, exactly exactly, And our hope is they buy more
Speaker 10: or people at the event hear about us, and it's
Speaker 10: just kind of a you know, came up as a
Speaker 10: word of mouth where it creates a win win where
Speaker 10: you benefit conservation and also it benefits us to get
Speaker 10: the word out that you can hunt with suppressors. Because
Speaker 10: think we first started doing this, most people thought they
Speaker 10: were illegal and most people thought you couldn't hunt with them.
Speaker 10: So yeah, we really just started really strong in like
Speaker 10: twenty twenty one, so to be able to give seven
Speaker 10: point six millions a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: And the day this drops, the uh that suppress will
Speaker 2: be available.
Speaker 1: Oh it will. Yep.
Speaker 10: We're taking bets internally on how long it lasts before
Speaker 10: it sells out. I mean, it's this is a big deal.
Speaker 10: This is impressive. I appreciate you guys coming to the
Speaker 10: table and helping us create this. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great one.
Speaker 1: Well thanks for coming on. Man, everybody, protect your ears.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you got if you got
Speaker 1: little kids, protect your little kids ears. Man, I think
Speaker 1: of the all town. I'm laying in bed at night
Speaker 1: listening to my ears go. Yeah, all right, thank you guys.
Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks Steve, Thanks guys, appreciate it absolutely.
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Speaker 11: End.
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