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Speaker 1: saw ont of this. It's real clever. Think about this

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Speaker 1: for a minute. You're listening to this show with your ears.

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Speaker 1: See what I'm going with this? Look I don't need

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Speaker 1: to hack on you know anyone that camp. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, you're listening with your ears, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about your ears. We're gonna talk about all

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Speaker 1: things human hearing and ear ears. Because we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of things, but we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: We're gonna dig real heavy into suppressors, which historically were

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Speaker 1: called silencers. Everybody knows the old movies and you sneak

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Speaker 1: and who goes so not a silencer. The correct term

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Speaker 1: would be a suppressor. And suppressors are more and more

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Speaker 1: and more and more becoming part of the national conversation,

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Speaker 1: more widely available, easier to get them, more information out there,

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Speaker 1: people finding out that you know that a gun doesn't

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Speaker 1: just have to be so loud that it damages your

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Speaker 1: all that. And there's a remedy for this, which has

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Speaker 1: and he has to get a suppressor. Some countries. I

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they let you hunt with those, because

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Speaker 1: can't believe they let you hunt with those. He says,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they let you hunt without them. They

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Speaker 1: you got to go through hell to buy a gun

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Speaker 1: And America took the opposite approach. You can buy a

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like, uh, it's always struck me weird.

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Speaker 1: And I used to think of it like this, like

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Speaker 1: if they make if they make suppressors illegal or really

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Speaker 1: the gun's the same. The suppressor doesn't change the performance

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Speaker 1: fact that it's so loud it can cause damage.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hey blame Jason Bourne. I mean really like that's

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Speaker 2: that's the perception of what those things do to a gun,

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Speaker 1: To help us understand, as we have our resident audiologist

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Speaker 1: Grace stirred Evan, who's been on the show a bunch

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Speaker 1: of times, from Auto Pro Auto Pro Autopro to joining

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Speaker 1: us from Mississippi. Grace, is she allowed to say hi

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Speaker 1: right now? Filler? She's not hooked up?

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's she's hooked up.

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Speaker 1: Say hi, Grace.

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Speaker 4: I can say Hi, Hi, thank you. It's an honor

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Speaker 4: to be a resident audiologist.

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Speaker 5: And I don't care if you say audo pro or

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Speaker 4: However you want to say it, got it. I'll be

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Speaker 4: a resident audiologist anytime, calling it all the.

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Speaker 1: Way from Mississippi. We're also joined by a couple fellas

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Speaker 1: from Silence or Central, Brandon Maddocks and Lucas van Lockin Lacking, Lacking,

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Speaker 1: Ben Lacking, Okay lacking, Steve Oh, the ft up ol

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Speaker 1: Shitters Calendar is out. It's our third in the Fucked

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Speaker 1: twenty four as old Shitters and this is a beautiful

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Speaker 1: collection of old shitters. Nothing gross, no fecal matter, no

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Speaker 2: I think it's got to be cleaning stations.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it is, there needs to be a scratch

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Speaker 2: Now, why didn't we do that for the old shitters?

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Speaker 1: Because they smell great, Because it's not gross, it's not

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Speaker 1: people sent us gross photos. We didn't use gross photos.

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Speaker 6: You the best of the best.

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Speaker 1: I can't decide. Last night, I was so fired up

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Speaker 1: I was gonna read the whole thing, but that would

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Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of governor's tags, these are like backdoor governor's tags. Okay,

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Speaker 6: is that the one you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's the headline. Cala Hans quoted heavily in

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Speaker 1: it case against Idaho man exposes black market for big

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Speaker 1: game tags? Did it? Always? Cals is fair to say

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Speaker 3: No? Go for it.

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Speaker 1: In Idaho. No, you go explain what a black Explain

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say some redundant things here because it's

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Speaker 3: starting LAP land Owner Appreciation Program. LAP LAP is what

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Speaker 3: it is. But I always say, like LAP program, which,

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Speaker 1: When I was in the trades, we would get a

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Speaker 3: They're like, no, it means money. It needs lunch money

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Speaker 3: It's a tool that the state agency has that incentivizes

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Speaker 3: For big game tags in the state of Idaho, those

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Speaker 3: You can transfer that tag. It's a voucher. Then you

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Speaker 3: tag to Idaho Fishing Game. You pay Idaho Fishing Game

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Speaker 3: that the normal the counterfee for either a resident or

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Speaker 1: Tag and then the issue it in your name.

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Speaker 3: Yep, then it's in your name. And in Idaho's case,

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Speaker 3: this tag is not good just for the private property.

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Speaker 3: It's good for the unit. So they're unit wide tags.

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Speaker 3: Now this system gets corrupt and it I don't know

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Speaker 3: this for a fact, but I've been aware of these

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Speaker 1: You've mentioned this to me in the past. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: before this case came out where it's like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is like smoking gun shit right here.

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Speaker 3: This is smoking gun stuff because it's a very high

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Speaker 3: profile case. It's extremely well documented. The officer in this

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Speaker 3: daughter Eyse here. So, but the issue is it's illegal

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Speaker 3: to either market the sale of a landowner tag or

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Speaker 3: sell a landowner tag right there. They're not to be

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Speaker 3: sold in Idaho. In Idaho, No, the these sales have

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Speaker 3: been going on for a long time, and the way

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Speaker 3: I stayed on the property, or you know, there's some

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Speaker 3: which is illegal this particular case, they have this fella.

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Speaker 1: Carl Stuter, Carl stud forty three. Who this guy's out

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Speaker 3: I want nothing more than to let things settle down.

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Speaker 3: Let this guy get out of the high positions that

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Speaker 3: he's in because he's on several boards, high profile electric boards,

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Speaker 3: sit down with him because he is kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: hometown dude went to Lineman school. Agg family went to

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Speaker 3: And the guy's making crazy big bucks sitting on these

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Speaker 1: So here's something. The wardens they did a bunch of

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Speaker 1: electronic you know, confiscations on X accounts. Everything he do

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Speaker 1: something from his personal eye call out. He has a

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Speaker 1: folder tags bought for twenty twenty three Ryan Smith ELK

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Speaker 1: Muzzy fifty four fifteen K cash, Williams Elk Archery fifty

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Speaker 1: four forty K cash, Ryan Smith fifty two a ELK

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Speaker 1: rifle and Deer Muzzy ten K check Camus Creek Tags

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Speaker 1: number one cash muzzy deer forty five fifteen K rifle,

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Speaker 1: deer forty five fifteen K rifle, ELK forty five to

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Speaker 1: ten K rifle anelope. One thousand, five hundred Camus Creek

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Speaker 1: Tags number two Rifle, forty five archery, elk, five K rifle,

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Speaker 1: fifteen K, rifle, forty five elk, ten k. He got

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Speaker 1: a little bit over his limit that year, was shooting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's in illegal possession of wildlife he harvested.

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Speaker 3: Like Montana, for instance, you could legally get more deer

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Speaker 3: a cap in Montana of maximum allowable deer you can take,

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Speaker 3: it for for more. In Idaho, as the same thing.

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Speaker 3: This guy shot I think three elk bull elk le legally,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that which is just like not condonable, explainable in

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Speaker 1: So he incriminated him off in a text message too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If convicted of all seventeen misdemeanors and all three felonies,

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Speaker 1: in over twenty years in prison. That will not happen.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely not.

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Speaker 6: But you would think that I would hope that it

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Speaker 1: Any real bumber, dude.

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Speaker 3: You always asked the questions, Yeah, oh, he's an enthusiast, right,

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Speaker 6: What he just like, I don't know how much the

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Speaker 3: Whatever, Sure listen, and that's that's just right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, But there's no way. I mean this

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Speaker 1: On a recent episode, I was talking about how some

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Speaker 8: I wish that was the case.

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Speaker 1: If it was Von and in a space Von Walking,

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Speaker 1: This dude wrote in my name is Mark rich and

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Speaker 1: One more quick hit we've been having. I've been having

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Speaker 4: Just got to add the bomb and.

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Speaker 1: Then the money. We'll call uh, he says below us.

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Speaker 1: This is so funny. Okay, he sends us in below

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Speaker 1: is a link to Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance Priorities go.

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Speaker 1: So here's the web page. I'm on it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Oh you can read it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm on it. I'm like it's like, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Kentucky Farm Bureau. Big on commitment. Do

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Speaker 1: the wildlife population. End of sentence.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no it's not You're still on the email.

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Speaker 6: This is what it says no under wildlife management on

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Speaker 3: and this line right here was like a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: Using that statement as evidence of objective.

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Speaker 3: Yes, to say, hey, if the egg Committee is going

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks coming down day, Cal. And here's an interesting

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Speaker 1: one out of New York New York's meat transportation laws.

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Speaker 1: I live in western New York near the Pennsylvania border.

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Speaker 1: Myself and many others hunt both New York and PA.

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Speaker 1: New York recently changed their laws to which now you

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Speaker 1: are only allowed to transport d boned meat into the state,

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Speaker 1: but a cleaned listen to this detail, A cleaned skull

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Speaker 1: cap is allowed. It used to be you couldn't try

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Speaker 1: He says, maybe there is, And I'm just a dumbass.

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Speaker 1: and what a pain in the ass to d bone

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday I called deec officer to ask some legalities

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Speaker 1: bringing my beetle enclosure to PA, clean the skull, et cetera,

435
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: et cetera. Did I totally eliminate the prians? No, you didn't.

436
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: I feel like a cleaned skull cap sitting on someone's

437
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: work bench has a much more significant risk of spread

438
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: than a dog scratching it and burying it somewhere than

439
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: my extremely. He sums himself up. New York sucks. Sometimes

440
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: he has some things he likes. He does appreciate that

441
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: they allowed legal shooting thirty minutes before after sunrise sunset,

442
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 1: which used to be well, I didn't know this, New

443
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: York used to be sunset sunrise. Holy cow.

444
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 6: Do you feel like he broke that law not knowing?

445
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that. And I'll tell you

446
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: what that was a case of Michigan. You would even

447
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: go out on opening day because thirty minutes into the

448
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: season you get a sink and feeling, wow, I had

449
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: no idea.

450
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: That's funny.

451
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: You had to wait till actual sunrise. That's the best

452
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of the best. Well, when you take the

453
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: morning of the night, that's the best sixty minutes.

454
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: That's how you feel hunting ducks, Yeah, same feeling.

455
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, go hunting on the reservation. That's their their.

456
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Laws to he. He appreciates it did that. He appreciates

457
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: they lowered the age to start big game hunting because

458
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: he has three kids and likes to spend time with

459
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the mount hunting. He likes the mandatory hunter orange. Now

460
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: in fire season, he find firearm season, he's shocked that

461
00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't He's shocked that that wasn't written in the law.

462
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: And he likes the process of doing electronic licensing and

463
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: not needing to wear a backtack. He's what he's doing.

464
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: He's he's painting himself as the person that recognizes the good.

465
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: But he thinks that this CWD thing is a little

466
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: over the top. Dealing with CW here's my here's my

467
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: official on this. Dealing with CWD is a little bit

468
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: like it's a little bit like the early days of

469
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the pandemic, where by and large you have a lot

470
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: of people who are alarmed and they're they don't know

471
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: all the answers, and they're trying to do the best

472
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: job they can do of adapting to incoming material and right,

473
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: and then down the road you're going to look and

474
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: be like, man, what did I really need to leave

475
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: my boxes out in my yard for ten days before

476
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: I carried him in and a bunch of other junk.

477
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna look back and be like, what

478
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: the about? How stupid? So much of the stuff we

479
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: did during the pandemic was but at the time buying large.

480
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: There's some well intentioned people just just trying to figure

481
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: it out, and yeah, mistakes get made.

482
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: I lose a little patience with the hunters, saying like, well,

483
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: it's too much of a pain in the ass. You

484
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: what ninety nine percent of people on this planet think

485
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: is too much of a pain in the ass getting

486
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: up at three point thirty four in the morning, getting

487
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: a bunch of crap together, going out in the woods,

488
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: sitting there till light finally pops up, freezing your butt off,

489
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: God forbid you get something. Then the real pain in

490
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: the ass starts, you know, I mean, come on.

491
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh, like when you factor all that out and then

492
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: there's this other little additive thing.

493
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah you could like now you can just hop online

494
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: and have your groceries delivered to your front door.

495
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Comparatively with my little analogy about the pandemic,

496
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: I'll also point out there were people that obviously got

497
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: high on power. They got high on power, but there

498
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: were a lot of people that were just trying to

499
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: find a way to be helpful and solve the problem,

500
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: and they didn't get everything right. And you know, down

501
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: the road, we'll look back and be like, Ah, that

502
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: probably didn't really have any real impact on CWD spread,

503
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: but that sure did. Right, It'll be like that, yep.

504
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean when we do like that Frank Church trip,

505
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: like we boil skulls because of the law. I like,

506
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: traveling across state lines, We'll bring in another little burner

507
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: and a pot and boil skulls. They're on the air strip,

508
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I do that, But then I

509
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: literally take the lymph nodes in a little baggy mm

510
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: hmm and fly those out, oh to submit them, drive

511
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: them to the place, drop them in the thing. You know.

512
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: It's like there's a lot of things. When we had

513
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: that panel and we were talking to all the CWD folks,

514
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: I asked that question and they kind of laughed. At

515
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: me and we're like, well, of course that's not going

516
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: to spread them, you know. I was like, okay, well,

517
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: all the stuff I read makes it seem like we're

518
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: just spraying preons all over the place. Yeah, right, And

519
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 3: they're like, well, how could you get that? And it's like, well,

520
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: probably because I'm not an infectious disease expert, right, and yeah.

521
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: Kind of came to the conclusion that they need to

522
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: simplify their messaging in a lot of places.

523
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Okay, you ready to dig in?

524
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: You ready, Grace, Oh, I'm ready.

525
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay, give it. Give us your spiel on how you

526
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: how when you shoot guns, your your your what. I

527
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. You can start with why

528
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: when when someone touches one off next to your head

529
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and the duck blind? Why do you hear for a

530
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: couple of days?

531
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: Okay, I can start there when you told me just

532
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 5: to jump in, I'm going where because they're there is

533
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: so much to talk about. But that's a good starting point.

534
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 5: So what is happening when you blast yourself or when

535
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: you find yourself in the wrong place at the split

536
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 5: second of the wrong time and then your ears are screaming? Well,

537
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: when the sound as a in a nutshell. As the

538
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 5: sound's traveling through your ear canal, hits your ear drum

539
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: in this case, really hard vibrates the ossicles that then

540
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: move the fluid in the cochlea, which has those really

541
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 5: fine outer hair cell structures that are stimulated and generate

542
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 5: an action potential to be sent to your brain, where

543
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 5: it is then processed and recognized as sound, so we

544
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 5: actually hear with our brains. What we're trying to protect

545
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 5: from noise primarily are those really fine outer hair cells

546
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 5: which transduce the sound to the brain. Otherwise, once those

547
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 5: outer hair cells are damaged, then you've got regions of

548
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 5: the brain that are not being stimulated and you start

549
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 5: to have that phantom ringing sound, the tenetus or tonitis

550
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: that never goes away. That's because typically it's for a

551
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: number of reasons, but as it relates to noise exposure,

552
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: it's typically caused by those damaged hair cells that are

553
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 5: no longer sending the signal to that representative area of

554
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 5: the brain. So immediately when that blast happens, those hair

555
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 5: cells are physically bent.

556
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: Sometimes they can even.

557
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 5: Be ejected from the membrane in which they sit. So

558
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 5: depending on how loud that blast is and when those

559
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 5: hair cells are bent over, there's a metabolic process.

560
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: Where they're trying to recover.

561
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: Same way when you fatigue your muscles and you recover,

562
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: you know you're not going to run a marathon two

563
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 5: days in a row. I mean, when you're blasting these

564
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: things over and over, you're weakening them every time.

565
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: So that damage is cumulative over a lifetime.

566
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: And so when those are lying down and the brain

567
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: is missing that signal because during that time that they're

568
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: trying to recover, they're not transducing sound. That's when your

569
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 5: brain makes you hear instead of the sounds around you.

570
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 5: So does that is that coherent?

571
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 9: Yeah?

572
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: And I have tonight as Yeah, and you I had

573
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: this problem. When someone explains a health problem to me

574
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: that they're having, I start feeling their health problem. Like

575
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: if say, yeah, I have, you know, like a lump

576
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: on my testicle, I'd be like, oh my god, I

577
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: have a serious groin ache. All of a sudden, as

578
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: you're talking, I'm getting more tonightis noue. Oh my god,

579
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I can hear it too, and.

580
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: It's Tenadus is an area that is fascinating because it's

581
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 5: hard to pinpoint. There's no cure, but there are management strategies.

582
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 5: And at first, when you first hear these strategies, it's

583
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 5: gonna sound a little bit like mumbo jumbo, yeah, yeah, whatever.

584
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: But honestly, because our cortisol levels, our stress levels, salt,

585
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 5: caffeine can all affect the chemical gating s stum that's

586
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 5: working hard to suppress that ringing.

587
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: And when your frontal lobe is focused on.

588
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: Something else, that's why I tell people, as simple as

589
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: it is, try not to focus on the ringing or else.

590
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: It will sound louder. When you can distract your frontal.

591
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 5: Lobe and focus on something else with your brain, then

592
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: you can put it into the background.

593
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I might have accidentally hit on a thing that you

594
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: might recommend, and I'll explain. In starting my kids shooting,

595
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: my young kids shooting, I have a nine year old,

596
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: eleven year old, and fourteen year old, and starting them

597
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: shooting big game rifles. I started them out shooting like

598
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: like they have sig crosses in a six or five

599
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: creed More And I start them out shooting a suppressor

600
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: and hearing protection because they can like they conflate the

601
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: kick with the sound. It's all they're not distinct things.

602
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: This is true of kids, and it's probably true of

603
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: a lot of other people. It's like, there's an experience

604
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: of shooting and it has something to do with recoil.

605
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: It has something to do with noise, and it gets

606
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: bundled into your head just as like a sudden, very

607
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: uncomfortable experience.

608
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 5: Right, And so I wanted to red will reduce the

609
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: felt recoil.

610
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: Yes, So I put a suppressor on, I put hearing

611
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: protection on them. They lay down and shoot, and when

612
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: they shoot, they laugh the same way like they you

613
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: laugh getting off. They laugh because they were so like

614
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, then they shoot.

615
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 5: You're like, ah, I don't know, it's like that, right, Yeah,

616
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 5: but well you've actually hit on what I mean, spoiler alert.

617
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: My do you remember when I first came to see

618
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 5: you guys, and I talked about how, you know, my

619
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 5: job is an audiologist and someone who values the hunting

620
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: tradition is to equip you with the most realistic tools

621
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 5: possible to make this safer activity for you. But that

622
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: I cannot guarantee that by wearing hearing protection you're never

623
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: going to get some level of hearing loss from shooting guns.

624
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 5: Because we can only reduce the sound so much with

625
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 5: ear plugs. Do you guys remember me going through that Boleshpiel.

626
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 5: So I would apply that same conversation two suppressors as

627
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 5: we get into sound levels there, but the two in

628
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: combination can take you to a safe level. So whereas

629
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 5: when we're talking about hearing protection that's on your head

630
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 5: and in your ear, you know, ideally I talk about

631
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 5: how when you can to double up to put something

632
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 5: a muff on top of a plug to increase the

633
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 5: level of attenuation, and that to get more than that,

634
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: we've got to put you into a full helmet because

635
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: the bones of your body, even your teeth, are transducing

636
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 5: sound to those inner ear delicate structures that I was

637
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 5: talking about. But when you pair a suppressor with wealth

638
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 5: hearing protection, we can get you into a safe level

639
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 5: without having.

640
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 4: To double up.

641
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 6: God, that's kind of interested to hear.

642
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: What the Silencer Central guys have to say about that theory.

643
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: It goes against some of the stuff I'm reading on

644
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 5: their website and all other websites for suppressors. But looking

645
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 5: at the data and all of the variables, which I'm

646
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: happy I would love to get into the nitty gritty

647
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 5: of that.

648
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 4: That's what I'm seeing.

649
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: That you're recommending that ear recommending both. Yes, well that's

650
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: what I that's what I'm saying. I accidentally hit on.

651
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is what you can do it.

652
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm both dead like to deaden my kids to the

653
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: to the experience, right, which is very well.

654
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: And remember, let me umbrella this whole conversation with the

655
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 5: fact that we cannot rely on our perception of how

656
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 5: loud something is to objectively determine whether it's too loud.

657
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 5: Just because your ears don't ring, just because it doesn't

658
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 5: bother you, does not mean that that sound pressure was

659
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 5: not objectively damaging the physical strung pictures of your ear

660
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: and your hearing ability.

661
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Got it, Brandon, you want to jump in here?

662
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, boys should put us on the spot, right.

663
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: No, I think we're on the same page. Yes, Brandon,

664
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: you want to get your Do you want to quiet

665
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: stuff down? Yeah?

666
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 9: No?

667
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

668
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Yes, I am pro suppressor. I am pro

669
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: silencer central. I was impressed by some of the studies

670
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: that you yourself have done to try to test the

671
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: different levels and to be able to put out good information.

672
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 5: I have some questions about some of those measurements, but

673
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 5: not in a way that's trying to be critical, just

674
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: in a way that's digging in to get to the

675
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: bottom of it.

676
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

677
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 10: Absolutely. So, you know, the threshold that we look at,

678
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 10: it's like one hundred and forty decibels, and what we're

679
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 10: told is we want our products to test below one

680
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 10: hundred and forty right out one hundred and forty or

681
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 10: less than. But of course it's hard to tell what

682
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 10: the environment is. You know, if you're indoors, obviously it's louder.

683
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 10: You know, we could show it our measures are, but

684
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 10: someone could have different atmospheric pressures, you could have shorter barrels,

685
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 10: you could have hotter loads. So do we disagree with

686
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 10: the concept of wearing ear protection with silencers, No, not

687
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 10: at all.

688
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: When you talk about the when you talk about the

689
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: situation being different, I mean, I'm just like inviting listeners

690
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: to picture this. If you're shooting in a ten mile

691
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: an hour cross wind, it's less loud, right. If you're shooting,

692
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, not that I would have any experience with this.

693
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: If you're shooting out of your truck, if you're over

694
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat, shooting out the passenger window, it's loud.

695
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, totally, totally.

696
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: Or if just that wind is blowing from your muzzle

697
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 6: to you yep.

698
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: Man, I think like a big moment for us Steve

699
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: and I. I shot him out and go it with Steve.

700
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: And that gun was a muzzle break. It wasn't suppressed

701
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: this couple of years ago, and we were under a

702
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: tree right there, were still ready And I have never

703
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: felt like just because the environment, that tree right over

704
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: top of us, and that's right next to the bark,

705
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: it smoked us.

706
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: Man, it styled my hair like.

707
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: It changed everything about the way that I've hunted since.

708
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Right in suppressors and when you think of it, hearing

709
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: pro like that was a bad environment for sound.

710
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, and in South Dakota could be a split leading

711
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 10: because prairie there, when you shoot, it's not as loud,

712
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 10: whereas if you're an environment where you can echo, like

713
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 10: you're saying, it's always gonna be louder.

714
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: Can you explain the CA You explain the Hearing Protection Act, sure,

715
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: like where it sits and where it came from.

716
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 10: And yeah, sure, so Hearing Protection Act basically the premise

717
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 10: there is that it would deregulate suppressor silencers completely and

718
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 10: make them a regular firearm. So you would go and

719
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 10: buy a silencer and at a regular you know, gun store,

720
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 10: and they would treat it just like a regular long

721
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 10: gun or handgun. You would just do a background check

722
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 10: and you'd leave with it. So there would be no

723
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 10: or tax stamp, no process. It's kind of you know,

724
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 10: a background check and you would leave. So that was

725
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 10: that was the premise of it was to deregulate suppressors.

726
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: Because currently there regulated like can you I guess within

727
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: this explanation, can you explain what is the difference between

728
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: who regulates guns, like who regulates long rifles and who

729
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: regulates the suppressors that go on long rifles.

730
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 10: Sure, yep, so both underneath atf so they have sort

731
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 10: of the domain over that. Some states will have different

732
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 10: state laws, but there's not many states that have low

733
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 10: specific to siglencers. Most states honestly don't even define them

734
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 10: as a firearm. But at the National Farms Branch NFA

735
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 10: branch is what regulates the actual suppressors. It's the same

736
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 10: process you go through and you buy a machine gun.

737
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 10: So it's created in nineteen thirty four and it came

738
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 10: out with a two undrell or tax then because it

739
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 10: was equivalent to one hundred percent tax on a machine gun.

740
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 10: So the goal was to regulate machine guns. Put one

741
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 10: hundred percent tax on a machine gun. So a machine

742
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 10: gun back in thirty four was two hundred bucks, so

743
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 10: it's basically two hundred bucks to get the machine gun.

744
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 10: What's interesting is the government, our government wanted to put

745
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 10: handguns into the NFA process with the machine guns, and

746
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 10: instead they traded out silencers. And I think the reason

747
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 10: why they did this, Yeah, and it was right after prohibition,

748
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 10: so I think people are like, all right, you just

749
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 10: gave us our alcohol back, and now you want to

750
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 10: take our handguns. We're not into this, huh. And there

751
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 10: was really no one at the table to say, hey,

752
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 10: suppressors aren't evil, they're not going to be used inappropriately.

753
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 10: It was just sort of a change of okay, let's

754
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 10: switch out handguns and let's put suppressors in there.

755
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 6: But they were around back then.

756
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, you could buy them before or without the

757
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 10: you know, the regulatory process. I mean you know, you

758
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 10: see the maximum advertisements and the magazines whe you could

759
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 10: buy it and get it in the mail, and you

760
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 10: still see them floating around occasionally. But yeah, before nineteen

761
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 10: thirty four, they were somewhat unregulated. Now they're the same

762
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 10: as a firearm, so you have to follow all the

763
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 10: same rules you do with the firearm, but then you

764
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 10: also have to go through the NFA process, which is

765
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 10: a federal process.

766
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Got it, and the Hearing Protection Act is not never

767
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: got passed, correct.

768
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 10: I think a lot of people thought that it had

769
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 10: a potential possibility when Trump first got elected, so it's

770
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 10: sort of stealed the mark a little bit. We have

771
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 10: two lobbyists, federal lobbyists in DC, and their feedback to

772
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 10: me is that it would take six years of a

773
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 10: Republican president, Republican Senate, and a Republican House to approve

774
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 10: the Hairy Protection Act because they would have to educate

775
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 10: that many people to get on board with it. There's

776
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 10: just such a negative connotation from the word suppressor for

777
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 10: non farms people when they hear it, they just think,

778
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 10: you know, public safety issue, the farious activity. It just

779
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 10: came yeah, yes, exactly totally. Hollywood. Hollywood has not helped.

780
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, has there been have you seen any?

781
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Are you aware of any? Has they would looked at

782
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: like crime? Do you know? I mean, is there evidence

783
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: of that that there's a disproportionate number of suppressors turning

784
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: up in criminal activity.

785
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 10: You know, good questions. So right before Trump got in, uh,

786
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 10: there was a member at the ATF pretty high up

787
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 10: that sort of sent a letter out that said, we'd

788
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 10: be willing to work with you the Trump administration once

789
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 10: he was elected to deregulate them, and that's what kind

790
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 10: of fueled the whole Hearing Protection Act. But ATF admitted

791
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 10: at that point, you know, twenty seventeen ish that they're

792
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 10: not a public safety issue. If you ever see a

793
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 10: silence are used in a crime, if you read the

794
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 10: footnote or you read all the details, it's typically unlawfully obtained.

795
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 10: They made it themselves, got it. I can only think

796
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 10: of one or two examples in the twenty years I've

797
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 10: been doing this where there was actually a criminal activity

798
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 10: that was happened with a suppressor that you know, the

799
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 10: person got prosecuted. And so there's three and a half

800
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 10: four million suppressors in America that are lawfully registered and are.

801
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: There really now?

802
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 10: Yeah?

803
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: And how many states are you allowed to hunt with them?

804
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 10: So suppressors themselves are legal for ownership in forty two states.

805
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 10: You can hunt with them in forty one states. So

806
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 10: not many people talk about hunting in Connecticut, so that's

807
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 10: probably not a big miss.

808
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: So that's one of them.

809
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 10: That's the only state you can't hunt on them with them.

810
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh you mean where you can have it but not

811
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: hunt with it. Correct, there's only one state you can

812
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: have it but not hunt with it.

813
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 10: Correct.

814
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: But forty one states you can hunt with it. Yeah, Oh,

815
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Is that widespread? Oh yeah, numbers really growing.

816
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 6: Yes, leaf that you can't Connecticut, No, but that you can't.

817
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Own eight states?

818
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're right, So California, Illinois, Delaware, Rhode Island, New York,

819
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 10: New Jersey, Massachusetts.

820
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: All those conservative bastions.

821
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then he said Hawaii.

822
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: God, do you think Delaware, Rhode Island, and mass would

823
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: be big proponents of suppressors.

824
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: Since that's the background of the American firearms industry.

825
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Well, there's that, but just like the urban deer situation,

826
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: the awareness of limes disease, like they're doing pretty heavy

827
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: white tail suppression in those states, and and just that

828
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: a density of humans.

829
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a good point.

830
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: It's like a good neighbor thing.

831
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we should there's so many things

832
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: that are piled up here that we need to talk about.

833
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: Let's explain one thing. You know, I'm gonna fill this

834
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: one to our resident gun nut gear head, Garrett. Sonic

835
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: crack muzzle blast. You want to run with that one, That's.

836
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 6: A good one to cover because it's the.

837
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, well, I mean, and I think I think

838
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: actually Brandon would be the best one to run with it.

839
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: But my best example of the two, of the difference

840
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: of the two is shooting a three hundred blackout right,

841
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: so they make like sub and supersonic rounds that that gun,

842
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: that cartridge was like created around being able to shoot

843
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: sub sonic ammunition. So two hundred and twenty grains is

844
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: just coming right out under right underneath that that speedest sound,

845
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: and so you don't get that sonic crack. So in theory,

846
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: you have the same gun, same powder charge. If if

847
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: you have a like a right now, I run a

848
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: say three hundred blackout for Kyo hunting, I think we've

849
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: actually hunk outs with that gun running supers suppressed. You

850
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: still it still sounds like supress, but it's still quiet,

851
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: but you still get that kind of like crack at

852
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: the end. It almost sounds like when you unplug like

853
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: an air hose from like pressure, like a tank, like

854
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: air tank. Right, get that.

855
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: I'm happy to jump in on that.

856
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 6: Crack.

857
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh, there's two Okay, Grace, you're gonna get to go.

858
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to Here's what I'm trying to

859
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: set up. I wasn't too clear. There's there's two noises happening.

860
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Let's stay out of subsonic. Okay, all right, back up,

861
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Slow down, general, honey, like your your grandpa's deer rifle.

862
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: There's two noises. There's the powder exploding, and then there's

863
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: it being faster than the speed of sound and breaking

864
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: the sound barrier. M hm, Grace, you have something to

865
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: say on.

866
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: This, absolutely, and so that's important what you're actually seeing.

867
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 5: And I hate that this isn't totally video. But there's

868
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 5: the spectrograph of it. You have when when when when

869
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: a when ammunition breaks the sound barrier, which is heavily

870
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 5: dependent upon temperature. So when it's faster than eleven hundred

871
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 5: feet per second at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit, you're.

872
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 4: Going to get an ND shaped sound.

873
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 5: Wave on a spectrograph just a few milliseconds before the

874
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 5: blast from the gun happens, and that what we call

875
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 5: an in wave or that sonic crack can reach up

876
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy

877
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 5: decibels and it cannot be suppressed by a suppressor.

878
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tea up is the whole

879
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: myth of the Jason Board is part of the thing

880
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: with like people looking at like, oh, suppressors would just

881
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: mean you could walk around a house and like shoot

882
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: everybody in the house and there's no noise for neighbors, cops,

883
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: other people in the house or whatever. This sort of

884
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: myth is you're ruling out that there's additional noise occurring

885
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: when a firearm is shot.

886
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at by

887
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: saying subs and soupers, because then when you shoot a

888
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 2: sub sonic, that is truly where you actually do get

889
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: the like with Jason Bourne.

890
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Like it's so quiet, we'll shoot I'll take my wife

891
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: and kids and we'll shoot a twenty two one of

892
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: those taxol like Semiauto twenty twos. With a suppressor and subsonics,

893
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: the only noise you hear at the gun is you

894
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: hear at the slide, and I'm not joking. You hear

895
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: the beer can crinkle, yep. When you shoot, the main

896
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: noise is the aluminum crinkling yep. That's quiet, yep. But normally,

897
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: like if I'm shooting my three hundred wind bag suppressed

898
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: and someone's off one hundred yards away, they're very aware.

899
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: It's a much quieter experience for me. They're very aware

900
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: that the gun went off because there's that traveling noise.

901
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: You know, you're not getting rid of the sonic boom.

902
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

903
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 6: My brother described it in Wisconsin when my daughter shot

904
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 6: at a deer last year. He said that he felt

905
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 6: like he was just hunting nearby, you know, sitting on

906
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 6: a stand, and he felt like he could actually hear

907
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 6: the bullet traveling more than he ever had, Like, was

908
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 6: he heard this that as it moved through the forest

909
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 6: or whatever where normally it was probably muffled by the blast.

910
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 6: But he's like he was just like it was crazy

911
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 6: because I never had heard that sound. It's obviously always

912
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 6: been there, but because there was that loud blast was muffled,

913
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 6: he could actually hear this like different sound.

914
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm just stumbling across a sentence in this piece about

915
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: the Hearing Protection Act. No one should have to sacrifice

916
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: their hearing because they choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

917
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: And it's about the Hearing Protection Act. Kriin, did we

918
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: do our thing, because here's the story. I think I

919
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: told this story before we started recording today. Yanni and

920
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: I were talking about this. Maybe how many years ago

921
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: we were in Kentucky. M hm, I don't know, eight, eight, nine, ten,

922
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: whatever the hell was. Eight years ago, Yannie and I

923
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: were in Kentucky. We're hunting with our buddy Kevin Murphy,

924
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: and we went on a swamp rabbit hunt with some

925
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: game wardens and suppressors were just just becoming part of

926
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: the conversation around hunting. I didn't own one yet. I

927
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: don't think I o't. I didn't own one yet, and

928
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: it was just becoming a thing people talked about. This

929
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: game warden had two things that Yani and I have

930
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: mentioned many times. He said of his job, one of

931
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: these game wards, there's multiple game wardens there. One of

932
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: these game wardens said, I don't need to go out

933
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: in the field anymore. I have Facebook and the other

934
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: and the story and the other game wardens said on

935
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: the conversation with suppressors, he said like he expressed being

936
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: uneasy with suppressors because he said, that's a big part

937
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: of my toolkit. And he went on to explain that's

938
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: why I never get any bow hunting done, as I'll

939
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: be in my stand and it'll be right around dark

940
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: and off on the next place I'll hear and I'll

941
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: think to myself, something's not right, and then I'm down

942
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: out of my tree heading that way. That's the only

943
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: observation I ever heard from a warden, and it was

944
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: it was speculative. And I was asking Crinn in this

945
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: conversation and I'm staunchly like, I'm staunchly pro suppressor. But

946
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I asked Kran, like, we should ask some game wardens

947
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: what their take on it is.

948
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, So everyone I asked directly had to get approval,

949
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 7: so they anticipated in the anonymous policy.

950
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: Okay, we justle the whole thing out there.

951
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 7: No, no, no, And so everyone most everyone came back to

952
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 7: me with a no. So then I asked colleagues, and

953
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 7: Brent Reeve has a friend Joe Alexander, thank you so much.

954
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 7: He reached out on my behalf to dozens of his

955
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 7: game warden buddies, and I think it was kind of

956
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 7: a collective effort of wardens from across different states, and

957
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 7: he put together this bargraph.

958
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: Can I read it?

959
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 7: So that's what you have, and then you have a

960
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 7: you know, he did like a kind of opinion poll

961
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 7: as well.

962
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 6: But they know and they agreed that this there what

963
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 6: they said would be part of this.

964
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah. So here's the game Wharton poll that

965
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: Krinn assembled for us on a scale. Here's the how

966
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: it expressed them. I think I wrote this sentence, and

967
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: now that I'm looking at it, I made it maybe

968
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: a little bit difficult.

969
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 6: I'm glad you see that too, because I've read it

970
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 6: like ten times. I'm like, I don't know what he means.

971
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 6: It's like, this is it.

972
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: This feels like a text message between this is this

973
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: is sort of the essence of me and Krin's text messages.

974
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: I think it was, like I said, on a scale

975
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: from one to ten, it's it's very hyperbolic. I say,

976
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: on a scale from one to ten, with one being

977
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: the worst thing for wildlife ever and ten being no

978
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: difference to your ability to do your job? What would

979
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: your number be? That got's a terrible sentence. We're asking

980
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: them to say, in terms of from a game warton's perspective,

981
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: suppressors being doesn't matter. Suppress that being it makes it

982
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: very difficult to do my job. No, it's like I

983
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: put it the wrong way too. One as it's bad.

984
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: Ten as it doesn't matter from the perspective of how

985
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: a game warden is able to conduct his business. Okay,

986
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: we go on. Thanks to Brent Reeves's friend, Lieutenant Joe Alexander,

987
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: who helped Krin get this together, all warden's Krinn personally

988
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: reached out to you said they weren't allowed to answer

989
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: this anonymous poll. They wound up getting twenty nine. We

990
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: wound up getting twenty nine responses from game wardens. Okay.

991
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: Sixteen of those twenty nine were from Oklahoma, six were

992
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: from Texas, three were from New Mexico, two from Colorado,

993
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: two from Kansas. One suppressors are the worst thing ever

994
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: for wildlife. Zero respondents gave a one two meaning next

995
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: to one one being the worst thing ever for wildlife.

996
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: Of the twenty nine, two did a two, No one

997
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 1: one did a two. No warden says it's the worst

998
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: thing ever for wildlife. One zero Warden says, the worst

999
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: thing of God. This is a horrible I should man,

1000
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: I should not get into the polling business. Now I'll

1001
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: get through it. Zero says it's the worst thing ever

1002
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: for wildlife. One guy gave it a two, Two guys

1003
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: gave it to three. Zero guys gave it a four.

1004
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: Now we start to see it climb. But here's the thing.

1005
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Ten out of twenty nine. Ten out of twenty nine

1006
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: Wardens said it has no impact on their suppressors, have

1007
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: no impact on their ability to do their job. Couple

1008
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: anonymous comments.

1009
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 6: They're the ones using Facebook readily because they.

1010
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: Don't need because they got Facebook. They just look for

1011
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: something and that were like, that's not right. Why is

1012
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: this guy got a big buck in July? It looks

1013
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: like why is this guy posted six different bucks in

1014
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and his T shirt or

1015
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: a beard exe to him?

1016
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: It looks like twenty six out of the twenty nine

1017
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: gave it a five or higher.

1018
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: There you go, that's a good way of putting it.

1019
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: You should go on the polling Yeah, some anonymous comments

1020
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: game ward number one. I would have to say nine

1021
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: hardly affects the way I do my job. Just like

1022
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: a knife, suppressors are a tool. In the hands of

1023
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: a chef, a knife helps a chef create a fine meal.

1024
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: In the hands of an unsavory criminal, a knife could

1025
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: be a dangerous weapon used for illegal things. The same

1026
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: goes for suppressors. In the hands of a hunter, presser

1027
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: could be used to help fill the freezer, or used

1028
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: by a poetry to quietly conceal their crime. Criminals who

1029
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: wish to break the law are going to do so

1030
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 1: and use whatever tool will help them achieve their goal,

1031
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: legal or not. On a personal note, I think suppressors

1032
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: are a great way to introduce youngsters and new hunters

1033
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: to rifle hunting who are afraid of the percussion of

1034
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: rifles or who wish to keep their hearing or it's

1035
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: it's a or so does that? Thank you Krin for

1036
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: putting that together.

1037
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 6: Who's Joe, He's the guy that did the work.

1038
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: Oh, bread of the work. Oh I'm sorry, thanks Joe,

1039
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing that. Krinn that put to ease my

1040
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: that put that to anyonet have any comments on that?

1041
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: You know we all know Eric Crawford, former l e

1042
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: O Wildlife l EO over there in Idaho. I was

1043
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: just hanging out with him earlier in the week, and

1044
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: I had i'd either told him that I finally have

1045
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: a suppressor showing up at the house or his comment,

1046
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: but he was like, oh, you guys and your suppressors.

1047
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: I was like, well, go on, tell me, tell me more,

1048
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: and he didn't really just didn't have a good, good comment,

1049
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: good good answer. But I kind of read between the

1050
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 3: lines and it's just like I feel like from his

1051
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: point of view, he is like, I want all the

1052
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: little tiny advantages I can get as a law enforcement

1053
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: officer out there because of the job's just so hard

1054
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 3: to pin.

1055
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 8: You know.

1056
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: You hear a shot ring out over this giant forest

1057
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, I can go look for vehicles

1058
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: on the side of the road, but maybe that person

1059
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: got dropped off. I could go charging into the woods

1060
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: by myself a somebody who's obviously armed, you know. Yeah.

1061
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: A game warden said there are certain situations that it

1062
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: would make it more difficult to hear a shot, but

1063
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: you would need to be out of your vehicle listening

1064
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: for a shot. Another game warden, I'm a firm believer

1065
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: in using suppressors for hearing protection, but there's no denying

1066
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: that they make our job harder at times. Another game warden,

1067
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the use of suppressors has not changed

1068
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: anything about how I do my job. The sound of

1069
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: a gunshot was never a reason I used to investigate somebody. Anyways,

1070
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: A truck parked at a gate with hunting paraphernalia in

1071
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: it is a far better indicator that somebody is actually

1072
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 1: hunting than a gunshot, goes on.

1073
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 7: I have a question because some of the game wardens

1074
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 7: responded saying or looking at suppressors in their relationship to

1075
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 7: fair Chase and if hunters are if we hunters are

1076
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 7: getting critters used to you know, the sound versus not

1077
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 7: and oft impacts fair Chase or not. And there's also

1078
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 7: a lot of pointing to thermal vision as being worse than.

1079
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: One guy goes on to say thermal with a suppressor

1080
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult to catch bad guys. Another guy

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't says, I don't catch him in the act anyways,

1082
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: My investigations are usually after the fact. Gunshots aren't the

1083
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: primary sign I'm looking for or listening when I'm patrolling.

1084
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 6: Lots of comments do you feel like gett infringes on

1085
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 6: fair Chase?

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01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: Again, like like to do that, I'd I'd have to

1087
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: take this approach. If guns just happen to not be loud,

1088
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: let's just say we'll go back in history and somehow

1089
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: through like like the earth was designed differently and and

1090
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: physics were different and guns weren't loud. Would there ever

1091
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: be a conversation in which someone was trying to mandate

1092
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: or regulate that we make them louder. It's just they

1093
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: happen to be loud. Do you know what I'm saying.

1094
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: There's no one ever pointed out like a need to

1095
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: make guns be more loud. Be like you can use

1096
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: a twenty two, but only if you put a sound

1097
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: accentuator on it to make it be super loud. To

1098
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: make it fair, Chase, you've never been part of the conversation.

1099
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 6: The argument is is that the critters that we've been

1100
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 6: now hunting for whatever one hundred years modern firearms are

1101
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 6: accustomed to hearing a gunshot and being scared and fleeing ki.

1102
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: Those band bohun or you know what, when you shoot

1103
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: your boat, you gotta then hit a button that makes

1104
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 1: a loud noise.

1105
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 6: Okay, that's not fair, Chase, that's not You're not that's

1106
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 6: not oranges to oranges thirty yards away with a bow

1107
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 6: unless you're using subsonic ammunition and and you know doing

1108
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 6: that thing.

1109
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: I think the animal's range of hearing is so acute

1110
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: that you know that that noise is going to get

1111
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: picked up no matter what.

1112
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: And you've already shot.

1113
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 6: That's the thing.

1114
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's a hard fare chase argument when

1115
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: you've already shot. Like it didn't help you. Thermal is

1116
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: a good argument for it, right, Like that helped me

1117
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: find the animal and then shoot.

1118
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 3: It, help me find it at night off a road

1119
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 3: or during the day.

1120
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he hasn't even normally you'd also have to

1121
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: do this when a deer gets hit, the noise hasn't

1122
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: gotten there anyways. I just think it is way ahead

1123
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: of the noise all the times.

1124
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 6: It's I've.

1125
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: And have that deer or elk hall ass right at me,

1126
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: right because they heard the impact of the bullet behind

1127
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 3: him and then turn.

1128
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Speaker 6: I'm explaining Devil's advocate this because I'm certainly you know,

1129
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 6: I'm big pro shooting the suppressed a year round. I

1130
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 6: don't think that it I don't really think that it's

1131
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 6: going to make a difference every critter I've shot, like

1132
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 6: you're saying, they still hear something and the herd's still

1133
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 6: scattering even when I've used, you know, a suppressed rifle.

1134
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 6: I would say, if you were going to take that argument,

1135
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 6: the what you would want to actually limit is long distance,

1136
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 6: because that's where I've seen critters just be like no idea, Yeah,

1137
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 6: like a rock literally explodes at their feet at the

1138
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: first shot and they're like, oh, that's weird.

1139
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: They're seeing it for yeah, and they.

1140
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 6: Start feeding again. So if you're going to take that argument,

1141
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 6: I would say, instead of taking away suppressors, take away

1142
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 6: the ability to shoot past four hundred yards because at

1143
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 6: that point, I think, yeah, because I with like a

1144
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 6: three forty weather be I had a guy shooting at

1145
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 6: an elk one time at roughly six six and a

1146
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 6: half and the conditions all together were enough that there

1147
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 6: was a hurt of bulls, and this hurt of bulls

1148
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 6: were not afraid of these the sound that they were

1149
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 6: hearing and the bullets coming in until one got hit

1150
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 6: and then when he started running then they kind of scattered.

1151
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 6: But I mean that right there, I think that that's

1152
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 6: a stronger argument for what they're for what people that

1153
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 6: are trying to use that you suppressors to say it's

1154
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 6: gonna do. It's not doing. It's it's the it could

1155
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 6: be shooting long range.

1156
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate the Devil's advocacy. He needs to be

1157
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: advocated for.

1158
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: No, it's it's an argument worth having.

1159
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just watching a documentary. Karin's gonna

1160
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: ask me later if we can cut this out, and I'm

1161
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: gonna say no. I was just watching a documentary of

1162
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: the guy that in the military that had to defend

1163
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: Khalid shake Muhammad, the mastermind of the nine to eleven

1164
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: terror tacks in the Military Commission, and how he got

1165
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: into the mental state to approach that job. So Devil's Advocate,

1166
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: thank you, yiannih.

1167
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean our conversation take care.

1168
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: In a way, our conversation is antiquated. It's antiquated because

1169
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: we're having a conversation from ten years ago, as evidenced

1170
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: by the fact that forty one states have said okay,

1171
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: we give forty one states have said okay. We've heard

1172
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: from all the interested parties, and in the end we

1173
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: decided this is okay. But it remains a thing of

1174
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: like you know, I just got this thing the other

1175
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: day from the University of Texas. They found that better

1176
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: looking people live longer and that has to do with jobs, right,

1177
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: the way people are treated by healthcare professionals. You can't

1178
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: even begin to untangle it. But it's just like people

1179
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: with symmetrical faces live long longer than people with asymmetrical faces.

1180
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: We also know that people with money live longer and

1181
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: are healthier than people without money. And we've kind of

1182
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: made suppressors with the current the way we've handled suppressors

1183
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: in the past years. We're like, yeah, I understand, if

1184
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: you got enough money and you got your whole situation

1185
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: put together, you're allowed to have a quiet or firearm.

1186
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: But if you're a little bit broke, it's just going

1187
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: to keep being loud for you. Because the way we've

1188
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: decided to regulate how these work, people with a couple

1189
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, sure, people without a couple hundred bucks tough yet, right,

1190
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: is kind of how they've approached it. I mean, they

1191
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: haven't put it that way, but that's effectively what they've done, right.

1192
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, it's just evolved that way since the thirties.

1193
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: And where does the situation sit nowt Like can you

1194
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: lay out a little bit like what it used to

1195
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: be the first time I got one, it sat at

1196
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: the gun shop. The first time I got one, it

1197
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: sat at bob Wards for fourteen months. Yeah, before I

1198
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: was able to come get it. Right, where are we

1199
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: Why was that? And where are we at now?

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 10: Yeah? Good question. So yeah, when I first started, you know,

1201
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 10: I've been doing it twenty years. When I first started,

1202
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 10: it was really quick because no one was buying them.

1203
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: Oh, just is that right?

1204
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was like two weeks. I mean it's people

1205
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 10: like I always say when I first started with two weeks.

1206
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: You're like, how's that on twenty years ago? Two weeks?

1207
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, just because no one was buying them. There was

1208
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 10: just there was no volume. It was easy for them

1209
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 10: to approve them because there was really no volume. So

1210
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 10: really the reason why they got behind was just sheer volume.

1211
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 10: And really the NFA branch is like other government agencies

1212
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 10: where they don't get the funding that they need to

1213
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 10: be able to process them. They weren't getting the head count,

1214
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 10: they were getting the technology. They just they probably weren't

1215
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 10: getting the best employees.

1216
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: Oh there's no deliberate delay.

1217
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 10: No, No, it's a one hundred percent volume.

1218
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: It was a fourteen month wait for someone to pull

1219
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: that file.

1220
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 10: Well I should, So they did studies and they were

1221
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 10: touching it like a hundred times. I mean, just like

1222
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 10: one hundred percent inefficient, just you know, send it to Bob,

1223
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 10: send it to Jane, then Frank. It just kind of

1224
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 10: went around this sort of you know path. But you know,

1225
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 10: I've seen it go as high as I saw get

1226
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 10: up was about you know, that year and a half

1227
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 10: two years after Obama changed some rules. He tried to

1228
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 10: take it where it was harder to get it to

1229
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 10: a trust. And then now fortunately, uh, we're seeing what

1230
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 10: they call and what we're seeing is real time approvals.

1231
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 10: So we're actually submitting people's paperwork digitally through the e

1232
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 10: forms process. At time's the central and right now it's

1233
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 10: about a three to four day waiting period some of them.

1234
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 10: Some of them were getting I proved within hours.

1235
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: No, yeah, the individual I'm serious.

1236
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 10: I yeah, because I say that. You know, if God

1237
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 10: himself had come down and said, Brandon, what would you

1238
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 10: like approval times to be, I'd be like, I would

1239
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 10: be happy with thirty days, sir, But to have like

1240
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 10: real time? Who would have ever thought of that?

1241
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because you can go get the damn gun

1242
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: real time.

1243
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 10: Yes, Yes, So it's uh, it's really changed everything. I mean,

1244
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 10: it's it's doubled our demand.

1245
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

1246
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 10: I mean people like there was like this sort of

1247
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 10: psychological I gotta pay for it. I'm not going to

1248
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 10: see it for a year, and then it got to

1249
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 10: me ten months, and then it was nine months, and

1250
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 10: it's sort of you know, oscillated. But now that in

1251
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 10: some cases it's literally real time. So seventy one percent

1252
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 10: of every one of them we submit is instant approval.

1253
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 10: What Yeah, because what they do is they just do

1254
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 10: your background check and if you pass it, you're automatically approved.

1255
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: So I just have I haven't done I haven't done

1256
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: one in probably be ten eleven months or something like that. Yeah,

1257
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: haven't picked one up in probably a year.

1258
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it I mean it's pretty amazing. So the

1259
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 10: twenty nine percent that aren't getting approved real time, they've

1260
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 10: been arrested before, so they have to look and figure

1261
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 10: out what you were arrested for. Got it And there's

1262
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 10: a fellon into your state that's got the same name,

1263
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 10: so they have to make sure you're not them. So

1264
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 10: that's where it creates a little bit longer wait, and

1265
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 10: the FBI has to manually review it and that can take,

1266
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 10: you know, a couple months.

1267
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 6: So Joe Smith has a little harder time than.

1268
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 10: You're exactly right, that's one hundred percent correct. I used

1269
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 10: to could tell peop why their name probably how long

1270
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 10: they would have to wait if they would tell me

1271
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 10: whether they've ever been arrested before?

1272
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, like that dude that wrote in about

1273
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: how he's not rich Mark Rich. Yeah, there's probably some

1274
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: dude that did something bad name Mark Rich because true

1275
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: is a common name.

1276
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 10: Yes, very much.

1277
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: So what is the process? Uh, you know there's like

1278
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: a fingerprinting component. How's all that work?

1279
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1280
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 10: Good question. So remember it all started in thirty four,

1281
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 10: so it's a little antiquated. But the best way I

1282
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 10: could think to explain a silence or purchase is it's

1283
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 10: a title transfer. So it's almost buying a truck. So

1284
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 10: the title to that silencer is in our name at

1285
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 10: Silence or Central, And in simplest terms, we're asking the

1286
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 10: ATF to transfer it from us to you, so for

1287
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 10: them to approve that they want fingerprints, which we do know.

1288
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 10: The insight is they don't use the fingerprint cards, but

1289
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 10: we have to submit it to them anyway, So we

1290
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 10: get those from you, we submit them digitally. They need

1291
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 10: a picture of you, which most people take with their

1292
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 10: phone and send it to us, so we upload that

1293
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 10: to them and then we give the same sort of

1294
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 10: demographics you would give when you purchase a firearm. They

1295
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 10: just want to make sure you're not a fellon through

1296
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 10: a background check, and then once they approve it, they'll

1297
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 10: put a stamp on there. So they do charge that

1298
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 10: two hundred dollars tax we talked about earlier, and once

1299
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 10: that's approved, we can transfer it to you. So and

1300
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 10: the good thing about silences c central is we could

1301
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 10: do everything remotely and we can mail the signwncher to

1302
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 10: your front door.

1303
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh, it doesn't have to go through So.

1304
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 10: Fortunately, siglences are centralized locations in all forty two states

1305
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 10: where silencers are legal. So we manage all the paperwork

1306
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 10: on the front end, and so Fall South Dakota our

1307
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 10: home base is, and then we manage it on the

1308
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 10: back end for whichever state you live in. So if

1309
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 10: you live in Montana, once it's approved, it's shipped from

1310
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 10: Montana directly to your front door. Yeah, that's good.

1311
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 6: Where does the little interview that I do every time.

1312
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 6: Oh sure, yeah, how does that come into play? Why

1313
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 6: is that necessary?

1314
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 10: Good question? So essentially we're filling out the paperwork for

1315
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 10: you asilence. Their central is based on the information you

1316
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 10: give us. ATF wants you to verify that the information

1317
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 10: we filled out for you is accurate.

1318
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 6: That's it, yep.

1319
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 10: So it's a good check step for us. I mean

1320
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 10: we do find that people love that. I mean we

1321
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 10: usually send you a review right after that because we

1322
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 10: get you know, one hundred percent five stars like that

1323
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 10: was a great That was a great process because essentially

1324
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 10: we're just saying, hey, did we get your last name right?

1325
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 10: Did we get your first name right? Are we correct?

1326
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 10: And you said you're not a fella? You know, here's

1327
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 10: the dress, here's the state you live in. Just a

1328
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 10: quick check it gives ATF. So we had to work

1329
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 10: with ATF because before you know, we're more remote. We

1330
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 10: have stores in all states and we're doing this from

1331
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 10: South Dakota, from our headquarters. So we kind of had

1332
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 10: to work with them to say, hey, you know, they're

1333
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 10: not going to walk into our store to acquire this.

1334
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 10: What do you want us to do to fulfill the requirements,

1335
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 10: so you feel like this is following federal statutes and

1336
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 10: that's what they came back with. So it's worked out

1337
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 10: really well. I mean it's a bottleneck for us, but

1338
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 10: consumers really like it and it keeps us from having

1339
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 10: any errors. So the good thing about our processes we

1340
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 10: have almost zero errors because if you get an error

1341
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 10: on the forums and you get denied, you got to

1342
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 10: start back over. Not that the way it is as

1343
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 10: long as it used to be, but it's kind of

1344
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 10: our claim to fame. It's all digitized and through that process.

1345
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 6: It's yeah, and it's quick. I mean if you as

1346
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 6: the consumer have your shit together, which means I think

1347
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 6: I can't remember now what they call it, some kind

1348
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 6: of identification number you need to have on his end

1349
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 6: and then one other.

1350
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 10: Yeah. So basically the ATF, you're signing those documents digitally

1351
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 10: saying that what we entered with you was correct.

1352
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1353
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 10: So the ATF has you sign up for that on

1354
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 10: their website. And how they determined you are who you

1355
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 10: say you are is through like, uh, you know data,

1356
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 10: that's your financial data. You know which address did you

1357
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 10: live at, what was your car payment for the you

1358
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 10: know first vehicle you bought, you know that kind of stuff.

1359
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 10: That's your digital signature. So essentially they'll give you a

1360
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 10: pen an a user name which you can't tell us,

1361
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 10: so you'll enter it in on the computer system. That's

1362
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 10: your digital signature. That's what sends it to atf They

1363
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 10: immediately then send it to the FBI. FBI does a

1364
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 10: background check and if it's approved, then we get an

1365
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 10: approval right back. I mean we've seen people get ap

1366
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 10: proven thirty minutes. It's kind of crazy.

1367
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I come prepared, it takes like five minutes.

1368
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 6: And if I'm not quite prepared, then they kind of

1369
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 6: talk me through it like well go to here, Yeah,

1370
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 6: go to here, find this, and then it takes maybe

1371
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen. Yeah, it's pretty pretty easy.

1372
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's super turnkey.

1373
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the other rules

1374
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: you need to have these used tube. Do you still

1375
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: need to have paperwork with you when you have your

1376
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: suppressor with you, you know, the way you have it

1377
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: on your phone.

1378
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, phone's fine. So if you read the statute, it

1379
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 10: just says that you present in a reasonable period of time.

1380
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 10: So if what's interesting is that's actually a tax return,

1381
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 10: that's when a dollar tax goes to the Treasury, So

1382
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,799
Speaker 10: the only people that can actually request it and actually

1383
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,839
Speaker 10: get it would be a person would like say, the irs,

1384
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 10: or someone on the criminal side with ATF. So there's

1385
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 10: really only two people that can ask for it. So

1386
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 10: even a game board can't ask for it technically because

1387
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 10: it's a tax document is protected by privacy.

1388
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: But you would recommend photo a photo of that tax form. Yes, yes, weird,

1389
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: it's a tax form.

1390
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1391
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a little stamp on it.

1392
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 10: You're right, exactly, yep, so yep. They just they say

1393
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 10: able to present in a reasonable period of time. So yeah,

1394
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 10: if you have it digitally on your phone, you're one

1395
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 10: hundred percent fine, or you could call us and we

1396
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 10: can email it to you.

1397
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: Now, okay, I'm out with my kids, yes, and they're

1398
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: with me with me, yep, okay. And it's it's firearms

1399
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: that like I own, you know, but it's the guns

1400
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: I use for my kids. I have my suppressors on

1401
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: the guns. I'm standing next to them. I'm cool.

1402
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent. So ATF told me as long

1403
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 10: as you can still see the person you're with, they

1404
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 10: can be in possession of the silence or even if

1405
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 10: their name isn't on the paperwork, because you haven't truly

1406
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 10: lost possession if you can still see them.

1407
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, So we go out and I

1408
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: lend my buddy, or my buddy comes over my house

1409
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: in the morning wants to borrow my rifle and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1410
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: I take the suppressor. That ain't a good idea, right, so.

1411
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 10: You know, we give away free gun trust anyone that

1412
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 10: buys a silence or from Silence or central. So if

1413
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 10: you haven't a trust a stroke of a pen, you

1414
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 10: can add them to your trust and then as long

1415
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 10: as they're eighteen or older and also not a prohibited person,

1416
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 10: they could take the suppressor right.

1417
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: There, but it's not there. It's not like becoming their

1418
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: property still.

1419
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 10: So think of it as when we do it to

1420
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 10: a trust, that title transfer goes from us. Silence are

1421
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 10: central to that trust, and the trust technically owns it.

1422
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 10: So when you add them to that trust, it almost

1423
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 10: be like adding someone to your LLC. They're now kind

1424
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 10: of a co owner of that trust, so yeah, they

1425
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 10: can use it. What's interesting about adding someone to a

1426
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 10: trust after you buy it, you don't have to submit

1427
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 10: anything to the ATF. There's no background check, there's no

1428
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 10: hey we got to send us to ATF. It's very

1429
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 10: turn key. So typically at siunces are central, we usually recommend, Hey,

1430
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 10: put one person on the trust yourself. We'll do all

1431
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 10: the paperwork for you. Once it's approved, we can add

1432
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 10: anyone you want, long as they're eighteen and they're not prohibited,

1433
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 10: just with a stroke of the pen.

1434
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: But you can also get it where you can. Also,

1435
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: I know I have a trust, but if you there's

1436
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: kind of no reason to do it.

1437
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 10: Trust right, That's what I think, because the benefit of

1438
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 10: the trust is you can share it with that scenario

1439
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 10: you just said, but also you get to pick who

1440
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 10: gets it when you pass away. So hopefully your kids say, hey,

1441
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 10: i'd like to keep that, dad, So you put them

1442
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 10: down as a beneficiary, and then once you pass away,

1443
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 10: they keep it.

1444
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: I remember the first one I got years ago. I

1445
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: remember needing to tell my wife. I'm like, this will

1446
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: probably not You're probably never gonna remember this conversation. But

1447
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: I gather if I was to all sudden croak, you're

1448
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: supposed to like call the ATF or something to come

1449
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: get the suppressor or some garbage like that. Well, so

1450
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: if you own it, it is not gonna happen, right totally.

1451
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: It could be low on the priority list, right totally.

1452
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 10: So if you own it as an individual, they else,

1453
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 10: They do have a form that your spouse can fill

1454
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 10: out and it's free. I always say you get one

1455
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 10: tax free transfer, but it's when do you die? Okay,

1456
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 10: and then you can transfer it to someone else. So

1457
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 10: it's this kind of the same paperwork we do to

1458
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 10: transfer it to you, your spouse could do that paperwork

1459
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 10: to someone else and as long as they're in the

1460
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 10: same state and they don't have to pay the twohundred bucks.

1461
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 10: Oh okay, yeah, but that's if it's as an individual.

1462
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: So the garver and doesn't need to come and like

1463
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: seize it when they die. No, no, it's good. Yeah.

1464
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: Well can you explain when you say, with a stroke

1465
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: of a pen, you can add somebody to your trust. Yeah,

1466
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: So I go to Steve's house and he's like, here's

1467
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: a gun. What's the supress around? And I'm like, oh,

1468
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm on your trust. What is like the actual process

1469
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 2: to get added to Steve's trust?

1470
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, So if you called silence essential, we would just

1471
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 10: send you a form and it's pretty much plug and play.

1472
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 10: It would just say what's the name of your trust,

1473
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 10: which we would tell you. I'd want to know what

1474
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 10: data was created, which is on the trust, and then

1475
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 10: he would have to sign it since he's ahead of

1476
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 10: the trust, so it'd make you a co trustee. So

1477
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 10: essentially then you could use it.

1478
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 3: Probably three times in the last four months I've had

1479
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 3: the conversation with somebody be like, hey, if you need

1480
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: a suppressor, get one right now, because they're getting approved

1481
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 3: super fast. But they're all individual trusts. Yeah yeah, right,

1482
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: or or sorry, individual versus trust.

1483
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 10: Yeah. So typically individual is a little bit quicker because

1484
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 10: then ATF doesn't have to read the trust. But we're

1485
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 10: seeing the trust every day getting quicker. So the goal

1486
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 10: is eventually it'll be closer. I think as ATF is

1487
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 10: doing pretty much real time on individuals and their hopes

1488
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 10: to get it out of the less than a month.

1489
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 10: If you bought it through a trust.

1490
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 3: Okay, and that individual though, that one is like just you.

1491
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 3: It's just you. It's in your possession, yep.

1492
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 10: Just in your name. But you can change that. So

1493
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 10: if someone calls and says, hey, I bought it as

1494
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 10: an individual, I want to put it in a trust,

1495
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 10: so we could do it for you. It's the same paperwork,

1496
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 10: but you don't lose possession of the item. So but

1497
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 10: you do have to pay that tax stamp again, oh,

1498
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 10: changing the title of ownership from yourself to the trust.

1499
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 10: But some guys are doing that because they want to

1500
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 10: get it quick. So I got a hunting trip coming up.

1501
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 10: I want to get as quick as possible. And then

1502
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 10: while I'm on the hunting trip, we could transfer it

1503
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 10: into a trust and you know, I have to pay

1504
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 10: two undred bucks. But you know, some people don't care.

1505
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I wish Chester was here right now because

1506
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: he could tell you this is all I would say,

1507
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 3: roughly a thousand times easier than registering a boat trailer

1508
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: in Montana.

1509
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: It seems to me that without I guess like the

1510
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: trends going in the right direction, without them just saying listen,

1511
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: it's just it's just like a gun. You can go

1512
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: buy it and walk out the door of it.

1513
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 10: Totally.

1514
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: They're alleviating a lot of the pain points. But what's

1515
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: up with the what's up with the tax? And why

1516
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: isn't there an equivalent when you buy a pistol or

1517
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: a long rifle or a shotgun.

1518
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, so you know that tax again was created for

1519
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 10: the machine guns and then silence has kind of got

1520
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 10: thrown into the process after the fact. You know, there

1521
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 10: is that Pittman Robertson tax on handguns or ammo, but

1522
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 10: we don't really see it because it's paid by the manufaction. Yeah,

1523
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 10: it's baked in, so it's yeah, it's I think it's

1524
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 10: some of them are ten, some of them are eleven.

1525
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 10: But yeah, you know what's interesting about that two hundred

1526
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 10: dollars tax is we're trying we've got a bill currently

1527
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 10: in Congress and we're trying to get into the Senate.

1528
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 10: But it would take that two hundred dollar tax and

1529
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 10: put it into Pittman Robertson so it'd go to conservation.

1530
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: Cool.

1531
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so the sort of the other behind the

1532
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 10: scenes is we feel like as more states, so we

1533
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,839
Speaker 10: talked about states like potentially making them illegal in the future.

1534
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 10: We feel like if because it was so simple math, right,

1535
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 10: there'll be a million siguncers approved this year two hundred

1536
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 10: dollars each. That's two hundred million. That's a lot of

1537
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 10: money to go to conservation, and a lot of that

1538
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 10: trickles down to the state level. So we feel like

1539
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 10: if states like Oregon, Washington State are starting to get

1540
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 10: some of that money, maybe they would be less likely

1541
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 10: to make them illegal in the future. But the reverse

1542
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 10: is true too, like Illinois, or we talked about, you know,

1543
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,919
Speaker 10: some of these other states that you know, Massachusetts, Delaware,

1544
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 10: Rhode Island, some of these states where they're not currently illegal,

1545
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 10: if they thought they could get more funding through Petman Robertson,

1546
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 10: if they became legal and started transferring through their state,

1547
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 10: then maybe they would be more open to getting them.

1548
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 10: So it's kind of a win win. We do find

1549
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 10: the Democrats and Republicans are interested in conservation, so it's

1550
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 10: it's an interesting bill that we hope eventually we'll get through.

1551
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 7: You know.

1552
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: It's a kind of an odd little irony is that

1553
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,839
Speaker 1: some of these states that they haven't made it legal

1554
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: are some of the states we would regard as the

1555
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: biggest sort of like what you call a nanny state. Yeah, totally,

1556
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: meaning when you buy like some fishing sinkers in California, right,

1557
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: it comes with like the death message about you know,

1558
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: all the bad things that come from fish and anchors,

1559
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: and they take so many steps, you know, like the

1560
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: states where you can't bump your own gas or whatever.

1561
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: You know, when you fill out a lease to run

1562
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: an apartment's just pages and pages and pages of all

1563
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: the hazards and risks inherent in life. It would seem

1564
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: that you would have some sympathy from those states that

1565
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: are so protective of saving people from themselves, meaning like

1566
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: can't use fireworks or whatever. Yea, you're like saving people

1567
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: from themselves and constantly warning people of the dangers of

1568
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: everyday activities. It surprises me that they wouldn't say, Okay,

1569
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: whatever guns we do allow people to have, we should

1570
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: allow them to tone the noise down totally.

1571
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 10: I like that.

1572
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: It's perfect because.

1573
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 5: It's a much bigger public health concern for noise exposure

1574
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 5: than for safety when you look at the crime statistics.

1575
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 4: Just like you guys were talking about earlier.

1576
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 5: I mean, what we need to save people from is

1577
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 5: the long term health impact of the hearing loss that

1578
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 5: comes as a result from guns without suppressors.

1579
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, or blowing your own kids ear drums out, which

1580
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of times.

1581
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know it's and I mean I don't

1582
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 5: want to derail the conversation here, but I also want

1583
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 5: to just point out a number of people that I

1584
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 5: talked to in preparation for this told me that they

1585
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 5: love suppressors, especially for their kids, because their kids aren't

1586
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 5: as afraid of the recoil. But these people are seeing

1587
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 5: some of the vernacular on the websites and in the

1588
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 5: marketing that says that with a suppressor they're hearing safe

1589
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,879
Speaker 5: and you don't need hearing protection, when that's.

1590
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 4: Just not true.

1591
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,879
Speaker 5: In fact, it's one hundred and forty dbpsbl that's considered

1592
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 5: the limit for safe impulse sound for an adult, but

1593
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 5: it's one twenty for a kid, and that's a very

1594
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 5: different measure. And if you guys want to get into

1595
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 5: the logarithmic scale and how every three dB increase is

1596
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 5: a doubling of sound pressure at your ear drum, we

1597
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 5: can get into that. But I just want to that

1598
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 5: it's a huge safety issue when you're talking about sounds

1599
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 5: that are that loud.

1600
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 4: So it's not either or in my opinion, it's both.

1601
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: And no, I got you. I got you, And and

1602
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm trying to think of how I

1603
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: do it myself. I feel like I've not put any

1604
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: hearing protection in shooting my rifle when you're shooting your suppressor, Garrett,

1605
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: do you do any hearing protection.

1606
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: At the range? I?

1607
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: Do you do?

1608
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1609
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 2: Because like if you're jamming fifty sixty rounds, it's still

1610
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: gonna get to you. Like or if I'm competing with

1611
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 2: a suppressor, I'll throw throw hearing pro in. It's usually

1612
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 2: it's not over ears, right, It'll just be like which

1613
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,919
Speaker 2: is a lot more convenient. It'll either be just foamys

1614
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: or like an in ear.

1615
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 5: Honey, I'm gonna challenge you a little bit because when

1616
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 5: you say it doesn't get to you, what are you

1617
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 5: facing that on?

1618
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 2: I said, it does get to me.

1619
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 6: Oh I thought you said, Yo, if I shoot.

1620
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 2: Like fifty or sixty rounds, it still does get to me.

1621
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: But you're saying that. Grace is saying a lot's happening

1622
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: before it gets to you.

1623
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I'm tracking. But I think I

1624
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 2: think like where it's been a huge game changer. And

1625
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: Grace and I talked about this, like I think the

1626
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: first time you came to Meteor, She's like, the reality

1627
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 2: with hearing protection is people don't wear it right hunting honting, right,

1628
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 2: So like we're going up the mountain. Oh there's an elk.

1629
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: Hold On a second, I'm gonna throw in my hearing pro.

1630
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 2: You've done it like twice in your life, don't well.

1631
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 5: And I think that the reason why people don't wear

1632
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 5: it is what ODO pro has been on a crusade

1633
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 5: to evangelize, which is that these don't have to be

1634
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 5: phonies that are uncomfortable and fall out and block everything.

1635
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 5: You know, we can preserve your localization ability and your

1636
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 5: ability to carry on conversation and even to be able

1637
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 5: to hear game at an advantage at a farther distance

1638
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 5: of our electronic options that are on the market.

1639
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 4: So you know that's not a valid excuse anymore.

1640
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 5: But when I'm looking at the stats and the data

1641
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 5: from the very best studies, some that are done by

1642
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 5: medical personnel for the military, other studies that have been

1643
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 5: done by silencer companies, and you're looking at all of

1644
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 5: these numbers with the goal of getting things to an

1645
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 5: average peak SPL of one hundred and forty so that

1646
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 5: it can be labeled as hearing safe. What's not taken

1647
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 5: into account is all of the variables, the fact that

1648
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 5: the temperature is going to change the speed of sound,

1649
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 5: the fact that the length of your barrel, what kind

1650
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 5: of an action system, whether you've got direct impingement or

1651
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 5: piston gas. You know, it's it's all affecting how loud

1652
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 5: it is at your ear drum. Also, the first round

1653
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 5: pop is noticeably louder.

1654
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 4: Brandon, do you want to talk about that a little

1655
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 4: bit about how the.

1656
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 5: First time when you shoot a gun suppressed, it's going

1657
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 5: to be significantly louder, you.

1658
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 10: Know, And just to clarify our testing experts here, but

1659
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 10: you know, I think it's based on design. So years ago,

1660
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 10: a lot of people would make like a monolithic silencer

1661
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 10: where it was basically one baffle inside, and those did

1662
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 10: have a louder pop because the air was colder and

1663
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 10: you had to actually heat it up. And I used

1664
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 10: to always kind of be against that because I'm like,

1665
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 10: why would you want in a hunting scenario your first

1666
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 10: shot to be the loudest. So that's why we we

1667
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 10: actually switched to stack baffles. But I have found in

1668
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 10: stack baffles typically that's no longer the case. You don't

1669
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 10: always see the first round pop. You don't see the

1670
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 10: first shot as loud, because again, it used to be

1671
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 10: a big thing years ago. We would sort of promote

1672
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 10: it as, hey, we don't have any first round pop.

1673
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 10: Everybody else does. But now when you start testing, if

1674
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 10: they have a lot of baffles and their stack baffles,

1675
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 10: you don't see that as much. I don't, Lucas, do

1676
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 10: you see many things that have first round pop like

1677
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 10: that as much.

1678
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 8: I mean, I think all suppressors have some some first

1679
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 8: round pop, but it just really depends on the design

1680
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 8: to see how much do they have. You know, there's

1681
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 8: you know, when that suppressor is cold, there's oxygen in there,

1682
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 8: and then you fire that first round. That purnt unburnt

1683
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 8: gunpowder is what's exploding and creating that that noise. Then

1684
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 8: when it's really heated up, but you're firing multiple times.

1685
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 6: But explain it just a little bit more, because I

1686
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 6: still think, like everybody's understanding, there's there's oxygen in the

1687
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 6: in the suppressor at the end of the gun, but

1688
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 6: now you've introduced unburned gunpowder, So really explain exactly what's

1689
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 6: going on that's making it louder than the next shot.

1690
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that that unburnt gunpowder as it exits the

1691
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 8: end of the barrel, there enters that first chamber of

1692
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,440
Speaker 8: the firearm. Where there's the most volume of air and oxygen,

1693
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 8: and so that's where where it ignites, and and you'll

1694
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 8: you'll get that loud sound from.

1695
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Why does that go away on the second shot?

1696
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 8: Because once that that's expelled, it almost creates a vacuum

1697
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 8: within the suppressor as that bullet exits and and the

1698
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 8: air flows through, and it expels all of that additional

1699
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 8: oxygen and air, and it's also heated up at that

1700
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,560
Speaker 8: point in time. So if you do multiple shots in

1701
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 8: a row, you won't necessarily see that. It'll get pretty consistent.

1702
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 8: But if you then let the suppressor cool down, or

1703
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 8: you leave your action open and let airflow through it,

1704
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 8: you might see that again as you shoot again.

1705
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Got it? I wanna, I want to do a thing here,

1706
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,959
Speaker 1: and I wanna I want to a little bit clarify

1707
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: what we're hearing from Grace and and and be clear. Uh, Grace,

1708
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: it's fair to say that from your perspective as a

1709
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: as an audiologist and a hearing protection evangelists and someone

1710
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: that like like you, like prescribe hearing aids and check

1711
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 1: people's hearing and all that kind of stuff. Right, you're

1712
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: saying that, Uh, you're saying you're all for suppressors, but

1713
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: don't make the mistake of shooting without hearing. In addition,

1714
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: use hearing protection.

1715
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 5: That's right, and I think a good way to illustrate

1716
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 5: that is to talk about what we call the three

1717
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 5: dB rule. When when you're talking about sound pressure, you're

1718
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 5: talking about decibels, and it's not a linear scale, it's

1719
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 5: not one to one, it's logarithmic, and the curve has

1720
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 5: an exponential growth pattern for sound pressure. So that means

1721
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 5: that when you're going from let's just look at decibels

1722
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 5: that relate to suppressed sound levels. So when you look

1723
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 5: at sound at suppressed sound level data from testing, you'll

1724
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 5: see suppressed levels that range anywhere from one hundred and

1725
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 5: I'm looking at some right in front of me where

1726
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 5: the average is one hundred and forty. But the first

1727
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 5: round pop was one forty five, and then you get

1728
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 5: a one forty, a one thirty seven, a one thirty nine,

1729
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 5: another one thirty seven. Basically, you've got like a five

1730
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 5: decibel range of what you're getting on the individual pops. Okay,

1731
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 5: but for every three decibel increase, every three decibel increase

1732
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 5: roughly doubles the sound pressure level at your ear drop

1733
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 5: and causes an exponential increase risk for hearing loss, which

1734
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 5: is why when you're looking at the OSHA standards for

1735
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 5: workplace environments, for example, the allowable time exposure for a

1736
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 5: sound level is going to be correlated such that you know,

1737
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 5: ninety decibels over an eight hour workday is permitted.

1738
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: But when you take that up to.

1739
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 5: Ninety three decibels, you're only going to be allowed four hours,

1740
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 5: got it. So there's a trade off there, But that

1741
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 5: means that when you go from one hundred and thirty

1742
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 5: eight decibels to one hundred and forty one decibels on

1743
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 5: a reading which can be again influenced by temperature atmosphere

1744
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 5: where you are, those variables make a huge.

1745
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 4: Difference in the risk to your hearing.

1746
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 5: So when we're teetering right there on that line of

1747
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 5: does this suppressed gunshot actually fall within allowable category?

1748
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 6: Does it?

1749
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 5: You know what's the standard deviation there? I'm going to

1750
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 5: recommend adding earplugs every time, especially for kids.

1751
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: If you want to have a fun party or at

1752
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 1: an event, have someone come out and stick that custom

1753
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: earwhag Grace came to our office one day and everybody

1754
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 1: got to get the she like comes with this big needle,

1755
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: not a.

1756
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 5: Not a needle, not a needle, and.

1757
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: She injects this hot wax into your ear.

1758
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 4: It's not hot, she's just.

1759
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 1: Not a needle. She molds. I'm joking. She she molds.

1760
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: She molds everyone's ears. So if you're having like a whatever,

1761
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: you're having an event, a corporate event, I don't know,

1762
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: she'll come out and mold everyone's ears and then give

1763
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: get you custom plugs because I would complain to Grace.

1764
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: I'll carry my ear plugs around for ten days, and

1765
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: then when someone at the end of the hunt, when

1766
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: someone finally gets to make the shot, I don't put

1767
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: the sun's bitches in and so have a like good ear.

1768
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 4: You know you're you're getting better about that.

1769
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: A thousand times better. I'm gonna tell you a story.

1770
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: I was with my kid and we were pig hunting

1771
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 1: on my buddy's ranch, and we snuck up on some pigs.

1772
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: His mom poundered hearing protection into him so much we

1773
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: snuck up on some pigs. He informs me he does

1774
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: not have his hearing protection. We snuck out back to

1775
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: the truck, got the hearing protection, snuck back in, and

1776
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: then shot the pig.

1777
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 6: Wow.

1778
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I was trying to fight

1779
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: against him on this and he's like, Mom said, yeah,

1780
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: so the next generation is going to have better hearing.

1781
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm headed toward hearing aids like the damage is done

1782
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: on me.

1783
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 5: Well, but hopefully we're going to stabilize it and slow

1784
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 5: down that progression as much as we can.

1785
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. If I yelled to someone. I had this recently

1786
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: when I was at our Fisheck, I'd yell to our

1787
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: neighbor and the neighborhood say something and I would turn

1788
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: to my kid and they go, he said, like, what

1789
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: the is he talking about? Oh? He said to whatever.

1790
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you hear that? Yeah?

1791
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 6: Great? If I If I uh, if it happens to

1792
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 6: take me, say, five shots to kill my prong horn

1793
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 6: on my upcoming hunt, and every single shot registers right

1794
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 6: at one hundred and forty, you're way over, am I

1795
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,520
Speaker 6: getting that hearing damage?

1796
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 5: One hundred and forty is the recommendation for the limit

1797
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 5: for a peak exposure over an eight hour period of time.

1798
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 5: It's assuming you're going to shoot that gun one time.

1799
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a long chase.

1800
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 6: So the answer is yes, it's five days.

1801
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 4: Which is.

1802
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 5: You start asking yourself the question of did you have

1803
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 5: that crack from supersonic ammunition on top of that that

1804
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 5: was not suppressed. That's another one hundred and fifty to

1805
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy just before the actual blast of

1806
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 5: the gun. So your ears having to take on that

1807
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 5: assault as well. So why not us join forces. Let's

1808
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 5: odo pro and silence are central. Put out some PSA

1809
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 5: where you get a pack of earplugs with every suppressor

1810
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 5: because the two are better together. That's what I in

1811
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 5: reading a lot.

1812
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 4: Of Better Together.

1813
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 5: I think Jack Jack Johnson has a great song with

1814
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 5: Better Together.

1815
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 3: It's always been oh you would, Oh you would Jack Johnson?

1816
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 6: Please, I just.

1817
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 5: Jack Johnson view. But honestly, it's like that's that's the

1818
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 5: PSA right there. It's that when you combine some great

1819
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 5: hearing protection that still allows you to maintain localization, conversation,

1820
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 5: game awareness, and just the sounds you enjoy in nature,

1821
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 5: and you pair that with a with a suppressors, that's

1822
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 5: going to get you down close to one. Then now

1823
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 5: we're talking. Now we're talking, let's put.

1824
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 3: That man actually speaking of great combinations, grace and great pairings.

1825
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 3: We have a meat Eater silenced or central suppressor on

1826
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,879
Speaker 3: the table. It's gonna do the industry.

1827
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,799
Speaker 5: Well, you know what. Meat eater dot com also carries

1828
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 5: the oudopro impulse, which should.

1829
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 4: Just be.

1830
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 3: Concert.

1831
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 6: We'll make it a thing, Grace that we'll offer a

1832
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 6: combo package at some point when we start slinging these things, Grace.

1833
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Com I hear you. I'm using my words carefully. I

1834
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: hear you. And you when you came and sat in

1835
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: our studio, it like it. It changed my It was

1836
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: it was the pep talk. I needed to start getting

1837
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: serious about my ears. Awesome. A little late, a little late,

1838
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:45,719
Speaker 1: but for the next generation.

1839
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 5: But not too late because to your point from the

1840
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 5: beginning of the episode, if you're listening to this right now,

1841
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 5: you're using your ears.

1842
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about the suppressors in front of us.

1843
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So we have like kind of a

1844
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 2: timeline of suppressors here that we worked silence at Central

1845
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 2: on to back up. Brandon and the team came to

1846
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 2: us a couple of years ago and they're like, man,

1847
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 2: we should build like a suppressor together. See one of

1848
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: those supressers that this is the final product there, Steve.

1849
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 2: So they came to us and they're like, let's build

1850
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 2: something together for for Hunters, and uh, frankly, I think

1851
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 2: we all had like an internal dialogue and we didn't

1852
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 2: really want to do it because a lot of times

1853
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: that means that we just put our logo on something

1854
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 2: and we're not really involved in the process. But Brandon, yeah,

1855
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 2: do whatever you want, Brandon, the team link. I knew

1856
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 2: that was gonna happen.

1857
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 6: That's why.

1858
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Uh Brandon and the team introduced us to

1859
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Lucas and uh that piece is gone, oh man and

1860
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 2: uh and they were like, no, like really, let's build

1861
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 2: this thing how you want to build us wrestler. So

1862
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: Jannis cal and I had kind of the first introduction

1863
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,719
Speaker 2: call with Lucas and the engineers at Silence are Central

1864
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 2: and provided a bunch of feedback on length weight suppressors.

1865
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 2: We like supressers, we don't how important the sound level

1866
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 2: is versus recoil. And from there, a lot of myself

1867
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: and then Matt over here started working with Lucas and

1868
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 2: the team to kind of build what we feel like

1869
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 2: is not currently on the market, so what we wanted

1870
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm going to turn it over to

1871
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 2: Lucas to really like talk through the engineering of this.

1872
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: But from a goal perspective, we wanted something that was

1873
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: light for hunting, that was long enough to get the

1874
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: suppression that we wanted, but not so long that the

1875
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: overall length of your rifle wasn't like carrying a crane

1876
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 2: up the mountain.

1877
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 9: Right.

1878
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 2: So the other thing that we wanted, knowing that a

1879
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 2: lot of us are hunting with bigger calibers, is a

1880
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: decent level of recoil reduction that isn't seen on the

1881
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 2: market right now in suppressors. But not only that, being

1882
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: able to tune the break that you see on the

1883
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 2: end of the suppressor to make the gases disperse the

1884
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: way that we want them. So, like you've shot a

1885
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 2: lot of muzzle breaks, right, we've kind of gotten away

1886
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 2: from like radio breaks in general, because it just kind

1887
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 2: of pushes air in all directions, which can push it

1888
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 2: down into the dirt. You get dust kicking up can

1889
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 2: also cause a little bit of muzzle flip up, Right.

1890
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 2: That's why most muzzle breaks you see are directional. They

1891
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 2: have ports out the side and large and some on

1892
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 2: the top.

1893
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to explain that thing about about being

1894
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,719
Speaker 1: able to tune them, yeah, or go ahead and explain,

1895
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: because you know, let's say you're aiming at a target

1896
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away at the range, and you shoot,

1897
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 1: and every time in your gun settles it'll usually be

1898
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 1: and this is a function of posture and other things,

1899
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: it'll usually be. Then what lands You'll find that it's

1900
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: always to the.

1901
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 6: Right, right, So you like a lefty shooter.

1902
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that the other day. Yep. Uh,

1903
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna bounce in some some predictable fashion. In the

1904
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: perfect world, it bounces and lands back and when you

1905
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: when everything settles, you're right back on the target. Yep.

1906
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: And you don't have to go look for what happened.

1907
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 1: That's how people miss. Yeah, they don't. They're not tracking

1908
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 1: what's going on. At the end of it. They shoot.

1909
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: They never see what happened. All of a sudden, the

1910
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: animals is gone. They don't know if it fell over,

1911
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: if it ran off, because their scope settled elsewhere. And

1912
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: it's possible I didn't. I don't even I didn't even

1913
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 1: really know this till a couple of years ago, that

1914
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: with a muzzle break and with with the suppressor, it's

1915
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: possible to try to tune that out right.

1916
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like if you screw a muzzle break on,

1917
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 2: because that's like the most drastic if you look at

1918
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 2: your break and on that like if it's directional, it

1919
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 2: just has the side ports on it, that break is

1920
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 2: like at a forty five degree angle. It's going to

1921
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 2: be a pretty drastic like shift in that rifle. When

1922
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 2: it reads jump, it's going to jump one way or

1923
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 2: the other, depending on how you have that right. So

1924
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 2: when you talk about tuning a break, like a lot

1925
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: of them have like a locking caliber on there where

1926
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 2: you can make it like perfectly flat. So the gas

1927
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 2: is coming out at a ninety degree angle to the

1928
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: barrels right, and that's gonna keep that gun kind of

1929
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: just like directly coming back if depending on if you're

1930
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 2: right or left handed, then you can and depending on

1931
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 2: how you shoot. You have some guys that they'll they'll

1932
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: put the rifle like the stock way out on their shoulder, right,

1933
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 2: People like me come right below the right eye, and

1934
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: so it's gonna jump differently depending on that. And then

1935
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: that's where you'll just kind of tune that brake angle

1936
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 2: a little bit to where when it jumps, it just

1937
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: kind of jumps straight up and comes right.

1938
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Back down, which is pretty satisfying.

1939
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, what we wanted with this is to

1940
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 2: create something similar with with this break to where you

1941
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: could make it to where not all these ports are open,

1942
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 2: and then you can adjust how that recoil is gonna

1943
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 2: disperse or how those gases are going to disperse out

1944
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: the end of the barrel, and how you feel that

1945
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 2: recoil and how that thatkind jumps, which has never been

1946
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 2: done right. You see a lot of users out there

1947
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 2: that have a radial style break just like this one,

1948
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 2: where it's it's poured it all the way around, but

1949
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 2: they have no way of turning off part of those

1950
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 2: some of those brakes or those ports are not And

1951
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 2: that's Luca's I think the best thing to do is

1952
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 2: have you explain kind of how you solved for that.

1953
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 6: Is everybody clear that we combined a break with a suppressor?

1954
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 6: Is that clear? So we feel like that's clear?

1955
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 5: Honestly, That's what I was like hanging on. I'm going

1956
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 5: is that is that what they're saying?

1957
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 4: It's both.

1958
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the brake is on the end of the suppressor,

1959
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 8: so it's it's acting as part of the suppressor, but

1960
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 8: also the ability to adjust it as you're shooting. You know,

1961
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,759
Speaker 8: every time you put this, you know, put this silence

1962
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 8: around a different firearm, it's going to be rotated differently

1963
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 8: once you thread that all the way on the barrel.

1964
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 8: And so that's why that's why we're looking at how

1965
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 8: do you tune that and time that so that you

1966
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 8: don't have that muzzle blast shooting down into the dirt

1967
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 8: if you're laying prone, but instead have it shooting directly

1968
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 8: out to the sides and directly vertical both for it's

1969
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 8: obviously keep your gun from jumping, but just reduce that

1970
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 8: muzzle rise as you're shooting and be able to stay

1971
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:05,799
Speaker 8: on target longer.

1972
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get if you hand him the suppress or there, Steve,

1973
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 2: I think you should talk through like how you solve

1974
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 2: for that.

1975
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, like a normal radio break on

1976
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 8: a suppressor. We've got holes all the way throughout this

1977
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 8: this end cap here, but there's a sleeve inside of

1978
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 8: it that gives the shooter the option to adjust it

1979
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 8: to their firearm, so it specifically tuned to their gun

1980
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 8: no matter how they're shooting it. So this this sleeve

1981
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 8: inside can be adjusted to only open the ports on

1982
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 8: the side and the ports on the top, close the

1983
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 8: ports on the bottom, depending how that's installed onto the gun.

1984
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 8: So that gives you basically the best recoil reduction possible

1985
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 8: with the silencer. You know, just out out testing, you know,

1986
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 8: see almost a ten percent increase with opening those ports

1987
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 8: up compared to just a silencer alone. Yep.

1988
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, bought that same piece there. If you want, you

1989
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 6: can bit right and then take the break out completely.

1990
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 1: Yep.

1991
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 8: So going back to to how do we get this

1992
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 8: thing as quiet as possible to reduce as much noise

1993
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 8: and hearing damage as possible. If you're not as concerned

1994
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 8: with the recoil, you can flip this piece around and

1995
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 8: put it in here and it will shut off all

1996
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 8: of these ports. So that's gonna make it as quiet

1997
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 8: quite as possible, because when those ports are open, they're

1998
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 8: letting additional gas out that would have been trapped in

1999
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 8: that silencer for longer.

2000
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 1: So less noise, more recoil. Correct yep, gotcha. Yeah.

2001
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 7: You know.

2002
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: The thing I think that should be pointed out on

2003
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: suppressors too.

2004
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 7: Is.

2005
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 1: You can just because you're shooting a suppressor doesn't mean

2006
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: you can't turn around and shoot unsuppressed, like whatever difference

2007
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: you find in your rifle between your suppressor and not

2008
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: as fixed like it's you're gonna be when you put

2009
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: your supressor on, You're gonna be a little lower than

2010
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,600
Speaker 1: your normal point of impact, but it's gonna be predictable.

2011
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,719
Speaker 1: You could take that thing off shoot, put it on shoot,

2012
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: take an off shoot, put it on shoot, take it

2013
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: off off shoot, and you're gonna wind up with two

2014
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: distinct groups. It's always the same, and you just have

2015
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: it in your head about what the difference is if

2016
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 1: you like, if whatever, if you always shoot suppress or

2017
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 1: you're going somewhere you don't want to bring your suppressor

2018
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: because of whatever reason, you would know that like, okay,

2019
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a fixed MOA off and it's not random.

2020
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah, because you're just dealing basically like gravity.

2021
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: That's just right.

2022
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 2: And if you give like really nerd out where that

2023
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 2: changes as angles because gravity has a different pull on it.

2024
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

2025
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,640
Speaker 2: So if you have a suppressor on the end of

2026
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: your barrel and then you point up, that's gonna pull

2027
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 2: different than if you're you know, parallel with the ground

2028
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 2: and vice versa. It could be lighter, right if if

2029
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 2: you don't have suppressor on there, that's a little different

2030
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 2: nerd out.

2031
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: But no, like Garrett gave me the best nerd out

2032
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 1: I'd ever heard of their day, gun nut nerd out, check

2033
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: this out. Yeah, listen, your bullet comes out at spinning

2034
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: clockwise from your perspective. Okay, if there's a cross wind,

2035
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 1: your bullet splinting. So you're you're the shooter. I think

2036
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: of this as yourself shooting. You're shooting your bullets flying

2037
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: towards target. It's spinning clockwise. If there's a wind coming

2038
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:21,879
Speaker 1: from your right, that bullet is gonna I'm gonna say, climb.

2039
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna not drop as quickly because of it rotating

2040
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: clockwise into a wind and it's basically climbing the wind.

2041
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: Its rate of drop would be different if it had

2042
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: a wind from the left, which is driving it down

2043
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 1: down faster.

2044
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2045
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 2: And it's also dependent on like the twist rate of

2046
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 2: your barrel. So if you have a one to eight twist,

2047
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 2: that's gonna climb or drop faster than if you had

2048
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 2: one ten or one twelve.

2049
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: This is all stuff I'm going to factor in when

2050
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 1: i'm shooting bucks ate hundred yards too, right, Yeah, yeah.

2051
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's you can nerd out on that. I

2052
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 2: think where we had a lot of fun with this

2053
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,520
Speaker 2: one man, and we got to test it with Giannis yesterday.

2054
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 2: We did a little experiment. Man, it doesn't seem like

2055
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 2: this little break on the end of this suppressor is

2056
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 2: a huge factor. But like Lucas said, when you have

2057
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 2: that break engaged, it's a ten percent more reduction in recoil,

2058
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 2: which when you're shooting a three hundred wind mag like

2059
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 2: you'll take everything you can get, right, but you lose like,

2060
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 2: what was it like five or six decibels right of suppression. Right,

2061
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 2: So if you're out with Rosie and you know your

2062
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 2: guys are shooting the cross, you shut off these ports

2063
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you get all the suppression that

2064
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 2: you want out of it, right, and you're shooting a

2065
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 2: lighter caliber and you don't have to worry about the

2066
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 2: recoil as much.

2067
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, open or closed. I was impressed. We shot three

2068
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 6: hundred win mag yesterday, one hundred and eighty grain bullet

2069
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 6: and uh. The main other suppressor that I used is

2070
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,759
Speaker 6: a nine inch Banish thirty that the Monal name and

2071
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 6: uh so consumerably bigger than this one. And I would

2072
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 6: say that this one, like, I don't I didn't shoot

2073
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 6: it right next to each other, but it seemed as

2074
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 6: though it was almost apples to apples and like it

2075
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 6: really quieted down and the requil was like that gun

2076
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 6: was fun and easy to shoot. I was doubled up

2077
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 6: with hearing protections. Yeah, when I was trying to communicate

2078
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 6: with Lucas, we had to make eye contact.

2079
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Cal brought that up duck hunt with my kids, But

2080
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I put all the hearing protection on my kids, you know,

2081
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can yell at them.

2082
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 8: Come back here?

2083
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

2084
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: They just are going.

2085
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like they're like on a space walk essentially.

2086
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 6: I think a lot of Do we have an MSRP

2087
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 6: yet for the one that we're making?

2088
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is? What is? Tell people? What does this

2089
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 1: suppressor cost?

2090
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this one's going to be twelve ninety nine?

2091
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, seems like a lot of people are gonna

2092
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 6: say it seems like a lot of money for like

2093
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 6: a metal tube. Why does the suppressor cost one thousand dollars?

2094
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,599
Speaker 10: It's one hundred percent titanium. Titanium is hard to source

2095
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 10: a machine. You saw him take it apart. People want

2096
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 10: to take him apart and clean them. There's not many

2097
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 10: of them out there you can take apart and clean.

2098
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 6: Okay.

2099
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 10: One thing we didn't talk about is we let people

2100
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,520
Speaker 10: pay why they wait. I know, we get quicker turnarounds,

2101
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 10: but some guys are gonna take a few months to

2102
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 10: get it if he's the guy that's been arrested or whatever.

2103
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 10: We let you pay. Why you wait, so you don't

2104
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:42,799
Speaker 10: do it all at once, okay.

2105
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 6: But to answer the question, then it would be because

2106
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 6: of the design. Yeah, it goes into it, yeah, absolutely,

2107
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 6: and the materials.

2108
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of small parts there.

2109
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 8: Yeah. And everything that we do is you know, precision machined,

2110
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 8: So just a lot of time and quality that goes

2111
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 8: into it to make make the product like it is.

2112
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: Which which adds to that, where do you guys do

2113
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: all that work? All?

2114
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:05,839
Speaker 3: We got two.

2115
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 8: Facilities that we do in the Midwest that that we

2116
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 8: work really closely with that that do the machining for us.

2117
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 1: I want to make of that. What do they start with?

2118
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 8: It's all started from either a solid bar or tube

2119
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 8: and then they make each of the components.

2120
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: All right, man, so tell people how to find you guys.

2121
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 6: No, first, I want to know about cleaning them. We

2122
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 6: touch on cleaning them.

2123
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Because everybody's actually going to clean one of those.

2124
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:30,880
Speaker 9: You have to.

2125
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 6: You have to because mine right now, I have one,

2126
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 6: the Vanish thirty, which you can change it from nine

2127
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 6: to seven inches. You probably own one of those two,

2128
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 6: do uh? And I'm guessing since you haven't cleaned it,

2129
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 6: yours also is locked up and you can't take it

2130
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 6: apart right now.

2131
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Like mine, I wouldn't know because I don't have gone

2132
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 1: and cleaned it. Yeah, so I should be cleaning it.

2133
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk through that, because I think that's really

2134
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 6: important because right now I'm comny shots.

2135
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 10: You know, the clean So they usually base it on

2136
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 10: the fact that it may not need cleaning, but if

2137
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 10: you wait too long, it's harder to get it apart. God,

2138
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 10: so they say every couple hundred rounds.

2139
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay.

2140
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 10: The thing that seems to work the best for cleaning

2141
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 10: the eggs is taking all the baffles out and putting

2142
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 10: it like a CLR that calcium lime rust remover. It's

2143
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:18,320
Speaker 10: basically acid. It'll eat the carbon right off of it.

2144
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 10: Some people do a fifty to fifty mix, but you

2145
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 10: probably don't want to use it on soak the whole

2146
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 10: tube in there because it can mess up the Sarah coding.

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01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:25,719
Speaker 1: Just the baffles.

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01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you can run a brush through it to

2149
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 10: get it out. But yeah, you can let the baffles.

2150
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 10: I mean they're one hundred percent titano.

2151
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: So that's Sarah Codd titanium.

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01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 10: Yeah, yep. Absolutely. You can see this. So the logo

2153
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 10: sticks out. It's two layers of Sarah cotes, so you

2154
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 10: have a different color. So when it gets engraved, you

2155
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 10: can see the bottom layer as well.

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01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 1: Well that's cool.

2157
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, but so it's that easy unscrew the yeah, the

2158
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 6: back you know, we have baffles out.

2159
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, and we have a baffle removal tool if they

2160
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 10: do get carbon up or you can actually push them out.

2161
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 10: It's a little device that you turn and it pushes

2162
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 10: the baffles out yep. And then you just basically put

2163
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 10: it in cleaner overnight. It's going to eat it up.

2164
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,599
Speaker 1: I feel like a jackass, and then just rinse them

2165
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 1: to differ exactly.

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01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, your your zero will shift.

2167
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 1: To just like if you have just like if your

2168
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 1: gun's filthy.

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01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why he hasn't done it yet.

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01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also you can because maybe it was aware

2171
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 1: of that, but just being dumb, I don't know.

2172
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 10: It starts messing with your volume too, So if you're

2173
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 10: decreasing the volume and your signs or it can potentially

2174
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 10: get louder so to be able to open up the

2175
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 10: volume again.

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01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 1: Right, here's another I got another question too, are you

2177
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 1: good on cleaning? What's the at what point will there

2178
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 1: be more of a discussion about suppressed shotguns and like

2179
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 1: will you ever have it be that you can still

2180
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 1: have a site of a flat plane on top.

2181
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 10: I know what's on our R and D list, Like

2182
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 10: how do.

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01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 1: You aim it? Do you know what I mean? Like,

2184
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 1: it's like think about what to do to like traditional

2185
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: shotgun shooting to have a raised Yeah, so.

2186
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, you got to keep it under under that site

2187
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 8: picture that you have on just your normal rifles today.

2188
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 8: But you also don't don't want too much weight out

2189
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 8: there to to impact your swing as you're you're pulling

2190
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,919
Speaker 8: ye bird either. So it's kind of a delicate, delicate

2191
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 8: situation to design around on how do you how do

2192
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 8: you keep it as small and light as possible but

2193
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 8: still cut down that the sound on you know, your

2194
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 8: twelve gage with a three inch magnum shell in there

2195
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:16,719
Speaker 8: and shooting geese out there. So he's he's been pestering

2196
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 8: me quite a while to come up with one. So

2197
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 8: we're working on one here.

2198
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,360
Speaker 1: Well indoor country for old man. He had a sweet one.

2199
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 6: Yeah. Do you hear the sound out of that?

2200
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that could be a thing in the future.

2201
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, there's a there's a couple out on the

2202
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 8: market today, but really trying to find one that works

2203
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 8: for all hunting, all hunters and all aspects of you know,

2204
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 8: whether that's turkey, de goose to duck or anything.

2205
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know one guy that shoots the suppress

2206
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: around the shotgun for turkeys, but then he runs he

2207
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 1: runs a red dot on an elevated platform to get

2208
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 1: up and over the thing. But that has no for like,

2209
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: wing shooting is just not a yeah, not a thing.

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01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 6: Oh it's about to be, you think, So are you

2211
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 6: just talking to say talking about Yeah, yeah, it becoming

2212
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 6: a thing people in the industry that are like trying

2213
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 6: it and going, oh my god, that works good.

2214
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh okay. I still think of that as a very

2215
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: loud activity.

2216
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 3: Wing shooting, shooting ducks.

2217
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm talking about the elevated sights on shotguns.

2218
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I think it meant like a way

2219
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 1: that you'd ever solve you'd ever be able to wing

2220
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: shoot with traditional form wing shoot a suppressed shotgun, because

2221
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: think about it, like the can on the end would

2222
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 1: change everything. It'd be above your rib. It'd be above

2223
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:38,959
Speaker 1: your rib and your bead.

2224
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 6: Although technically you're not looking at that anyways.

2225
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, you know if your will primos apparently not.

2226
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: I am aware of my bead when I shoot, even

2227
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 1: though I should apparently should not be. All right, Well, Grace,

2228
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Speaker 1: tell people how to find you so they can so

2229
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Speaker 1: they can get some some they can talk through their

2230
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Speaker 1: options on hearing protection. And I'm gonna if my wife

2231
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 1: gets her way, I'm going to be coming to you

2232
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 1: from my hearing aids pretty soon.

2233
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Speaker 4: There you go. So the best way to find us

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Speaker 1: My buddy Pat Dirkin, who I mentioned, he said he's

2242
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 1: got a setting on his hearing aids where he can

2243
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 1: make his grandkids basically vanish.

2244
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that wouldn't be too hard to do. Actually, you

2245
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 5: just you find the picture of their voices and just

2246
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 5: turn it down out.

2247
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 1: He said, he can mess with his He can make

2248
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it that he can't hear his wife. He can make

2249
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 1: it that he only hears the TV. He can make

2250
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: it that he doesn't hear his grandkids in the background.

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Speaker 4: So tell me here.

2252
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 5: Hearing aids have become pretty cool little techie devices.

2253
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 4: They're not what your grandma were.

2254
01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then let's talk about how to find

2255
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: Silence a central and how to begin the process of

2256
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:07,680
Speaker 1: getting a suppressor if you're in one of the four

2257
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: fifths of states that allow you to do so.

2258
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, you just go to silence orcentral dot com or

2259
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 10: do Google search or silence are Central. And like you said,

2260
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 10: we can mail the meat eater suppressor. After they do

2261
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 10: the paperwork, it gets approved right to the front door,

2262
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 10: so making it super convenient.

2263
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: No, fourteen months.

2264
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 10: We haven't seen any that long in a long time,

2265
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 10: which is great.

2266
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 1: No, it's sitting in some weird backroom at the sporting

2267
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: good store for fourteen months.

2268
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 10: No, Nope, it's super quick. I mean, like I said,

2269
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 10: we're seeing three to five days on transfers. Yeah, it's

2270
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 10: changed everything. Really. I mean we were talking about the

2271
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 10: Hare Protection Act earlier. I think that there's less of

2272
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 10: an argument for the Haring Protection Act, like you said,

2273
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 10: now that you're getting up so quickly, because that was

2274
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 10: the big plant, you know, the big pain point was

2275
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 10: I gotta wait how long? And now that that's gone away,

2276
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 10: I think that, you know, it's going to probably be

2277
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 10: harder to pass a hairing Protection Act because people aren't

2278
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 10: as passionate about it now.

2279
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: But I do like that little hook you were talking

2280
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 1: about of being like, Okay, let's throw this into.

2281
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 10: Pittman roberts On hundred percent.

2282
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 1: Throw that two hundred bucks into that pile.

2283
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's growing at forty percent per year, and that'd

2284
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 10: be two hundred million this year. So that's a that's

2285
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 10: a lot of money to go into conservation.

2286
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's Pittman Robbins normally come in at

2287
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: a billion? Yeah, somewhere around.

2288
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 3: A billion in the last couple of years. Yeah, that's

2289
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 3: a huge.

2290
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the biggest I'm no mathematician, but big individual.

2291
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 3: Well, we just threw out four fifth, so I was

2292
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 3: trying to do that math, but yeah, I.

2293
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Can't help with that like that.

2294
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean a good time to point out though too,

2295
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:34,919
Speaker 3: like Brandon and Silence through Central have been huge supporters

2296
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 3: of conservation. They're donating a ton of suppressors for a

2297
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 3: bunch of different groups that are kicking ass out there.

2298
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 5: And.

2299
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 3: A lot of good a lot of goods and services.

2300
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 10: So yeah, we're up to seven point six million dollars

2301
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 10: since we started it. Really yeah, right, Yeah, the push

2302
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 10: is anyone out there that has local conservation type activities

2303
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 10: where they need a fundraiser, we give away free silencers

2304
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 10: and we let them keep one hundred percent of the proceeds.

2305
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 1: So and then you guys run the process for whoever

2306
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 1: wins it.

2307
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 10: Yep, exactly exactly, And our hope is they buy more

2308
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 10: or people at the event hear about us, and it's

2309
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,320
Speaker 10: just kind of a you know, came up as a

2310
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 10: word of mouth where it creates a win win where

2311
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 10: you benefit conservation and also it benefits us to get

2312
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 10: the word out that you can hunt with suppressors. Because

2313
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 10: think we first started doing this, most people thought they

2314
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 10: were illegal and most people thought you couldn't hunt with them.

2315
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,120
Speaker 10: So yeah, we really just started really strong in like

2316
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 10: twenty twenty one, so to be able to give seven

2317
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:24,360
Speaker 10: point six millions a lot.

2318
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.

2319
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 2: And the day this drops, the uh that suppress will

2320
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 2: be available.

2321
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh it will. Yep.

2322
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,680
Speaker 10: We're taking bets internally on how long it lasts before

2323
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 10: it sells out. I mean, it's this is a big deal.

2324
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 10: This is impressive. I appreciate you guys coming to the

2325
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 10: table and helping us create this. It's awesome.

2326
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great one.

2327
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: Well thanks for coming on. Man, everybody, protect your ears.

2328
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you got if you got

2329
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: little kids, protect your little kids ears. Man, I think

2330
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: of the all town. I'm laying in bed at night

2331
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 1: listening to my ears go. Yeah, all right, thank you guys.

2332
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks Steve, Thanks guys, appreciate it absolutely.

2333
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 11: And upon clear in here he lives knee reason out

2334
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 11: on in the mountain. More days we didn't climb the

2335
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 11: school mountainside across the smaller fla times. I remember it

2336
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 11: is sage. I've never wall see you, see you over

2337
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 11: the country in the west, never dreaming the beauty of

2338
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 11: the Clear mount screams staring out.

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Speaker 9: Over the will then.

2340
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 12: Sis.

2341
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 9: Memory is a.

2342
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:07,760
Speaker 5: Time raid.

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02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 9: Swelling spirited team, its predator and praying, super move.

2344
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: And super states.

2345
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 6: It's all the part of me.

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02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 11: Is DNA, Steve anglem Sun of Grazy days of God

2347
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 11: gets be off, be too dog ten.

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02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 9: And cross cross snowies up the.

2349
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 6: State lood of memory to take time to memory.

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02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 11: Their rides gone rise and I be the wep it

2351
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,640
Speaker 11: fast and breathe and lives a day.

2352
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:12,960
Speaker 5: I lead.

2353
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,520
Speaker 12: Sometimes memory's all you need.

2354
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 9: I leave type brandad.

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02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 11: End.

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02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:33,360
Speaker 12: That's well the scarantine When I sometimes the memorie is

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Speaker 12: a mean, not.

2358
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Speaker 3: Type brand a man.

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Speaker 1: That's well the scarantine