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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast

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Speaker 2: that uh is, you know, a podcast. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. Uh, you're not always

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Speaker 2: and that's where I am this week.

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Speaker 1: You just don't seem like you're qualified to host the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, that's that's why we've We've brought in a Ringer,

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Speaker 2: our equivalent of Sophie, who's a baseball guy.

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Speaker 1: That's not my sport.

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Speaker 2: But that's not your sport.

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Speaker 4: That is my sport. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You're into baseball now, okay, okay, but not guys baseball.

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Speaker 1: Interesting baseball, baseball.

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Speaker 2: Nate Silver, he's into baseball, the Nate Silver of baseball.

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Speaker 1: O Oh, what's the what's the guy's name from the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers that my mom would be so disappointed in?

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Speaker 2: Men? Of course? Total Yeah, I know who he is.

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Speaker 1: My mom loves him.

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Speaker 2: And Garrison is that guy of helping me out with

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Speaker 2: my podcast for this week and next week, because you

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Speaker 2: know Garrison. In my culture Italians, we have a ritual

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Speaker 2: that's gone back thousands of years. When a young person

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Speaker 2: they research and write like a sixteen thousand word essay

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Speaker 2: on a figure from Georgia state history. This goes back

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Speaker 2: to ancient Roman times in which Georgia didn't exist as

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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's not good, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, who are we learning about this week, buddy.

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Speaker 4: So when I first moved to Georgia, kind of one

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Speaker 2: Probably not going to be a happy story in several

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I was first told that this was like,

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Speaker 4: this was like Georgia's main.

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Speaker 4: It is saying something. And the more I looked into him,

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Speaker 4: real fascist in some way. Now, I know people point

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Speaker 4: to Huey Long, Yeah, the governor of our neighboring state.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't know, Huey Long was the governor

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Speaker 4: He was much more socially liberal. He certainly was a

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Speaker 4: He actually knew how to like be a dictator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, our guy for these next few weeks that Eugene

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Speaker 4: At least not for like his grandparents. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 4: That's his biography of the Wild Man from Sugar Creek

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Speaker 4: of draw a picture of this guy. Now, that book

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Speaker 4: you know, a book about Southern history written by a

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Speaker 2: They were at a specific in that stage and it

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Speaker 4: So I've also kind of supplemented some of the research

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Speaker 2: Now I am choosing to read that as Gallagher the

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Speaker 4: I have heard of a man named Gallagher.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a shame. He was well, he wasn't very good, actually,

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Speaker 4: So now to kind of demonstrate how there's certain periods

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Speaker 2: I think we know kind of what they were up

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's just not discussed in great detail. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: What a night. That's we really don't have that anymore,

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Speaker 2: like being able to be like the meanest man in

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you the meanest man in any county

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Speaker 2: an example of how we've lost are the collective speed

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of a Eugene Talviadge believed he

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Speaker 1: We could make Robert the meanest man in Milton, Noma

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We have a lot of cops, although

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Speaker 4: So also true. Now, Thomas wasn't raising his kids to

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Speaker 4: Anderson writes he tried the plow as a boy, but

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Speaker 4: his mind was recognizably his strong suit. Now, Jean's dictorial

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Speaker 4: which is a media red flag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a red flag. That's a red flag.

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Speaker 4: If your kid's into Napoleon, you gotta stop that ship

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Speaker 2: I spent all my time reading Hitler books as a

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Speaker 4: So, no, you you're the best case scenario for a

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Speaker 2: But Napoleon was definitely the Hitler of that period. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: you just got He needed more, you know what, Garrison,

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Speaker 2: maybe enough that he gets threshed and he doesn't ever

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Speaker 4: He was not built for the plow. And Gene was

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Speaker 4: really obnoxious about it too. I'm going to read a

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Speaker 4: quote from Anderson here. Quote. He baited family members and

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Speaker 4: a volume of Napoleon's biography that he constantly carried around. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: you don't think I can do it, he would say,

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Speaker 4: A verbatim quote would then issue forth, and its length

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Speaker 4: and precision never failed to impress all who heard it. Unquote.

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Speaker 2: a sprayer and you you just spray him in the

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Speaker 2: face a little bit. Every time they try to like

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Speaker 2: get you, to get you to ask him a Napoleon quote,

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Speaker 2: you just get him, right, yeah, yeah, bout like no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what it's like. You know when I heard him.

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Speaker 2: You just want to teach them, like that's not how

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Genga's cons on the line Napoleon hard no, yeah,

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Speaker 4: hard no, just to say, well, we're time, Robert, you're

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Speaker 4: not a parent.

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Speaker 1: Let I have I have two entire cats, sure, and

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Speaker 1: I raised them, and I mean definitely your parenting strategy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice cat spray. Uh uh huh. Cats are fine

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Speaker 2: around tan, right, Garrison's other kinds of explosion.

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Speaker 4: They might just use it as a litter box, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Essentially just started tracking at all over the house.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no reason you couldn't, and then you

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Speaker 4: It's it's this is this is a pretty uncomfortable little,

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Speaker 4: We don't know what happened to them now. Geene and

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Speaker 4: Do you know what else I struggle with?

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Speaker 2: Robert Wow saying several of the words in that last sentence.

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Speaker 2: But yes, that is true. Who am I to judge

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Speaker 4: Words are often a struggle, as well as the products

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Speaker 2: I guess yes, yes, I'm writing a book in German

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Speaker 4: We we will add some later point. Learned about genes

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Speaker 4: So at this point in Georgia, it was essentially just

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Speaker 4: each county a certain number of votes in party primaries

440
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 4: which could overrule the popular vote. The eight most populated

441
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: counties had six votes each, thirty medium sized counties had

442
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 4: four votes, and the last one hundred and twenty one

443
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 4: counties with very small rural populations had two votes each.

444
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 4: So this system was designed and worked to maintain rule

445
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: control over the whole state, as only a few tiny

446
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: counties had the same voting power as the entire population

447
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 4: of Atlanta and other growing urban centers. The county unit

448
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: system tied Georgia to the past amidst a period of

449
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 4: rapid industrialization and urban growth. The system was managed by

450
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: local county officials, who were often corrupt and demanded favors

451
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: or promises in exchange for votes, acting as a sort

452
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: of lobbying group for the county. I'm going to quote

453
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Speaker 4: from Anderson here. Quote The rule power source created a

454
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: group of power wielders known as the Courthouse Gang, comprised

455
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: of city and county officials, the newspaper editor, the sheriff

456
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: and county lawyers. The gang represented the common denominator of

457
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: Georgia's power structure. Each gang had its own idiosyncratic ways

458
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 4: of operating, of obtaining power and losing it. Members were

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: the powerbrokers for the community. The gangs formed complex associations

460
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: of power with the state's money sources in urban Atlanta

461
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 4: that grew stronger during the first two decades of the

462
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: century as technology moved into Georgia. So there was like

463
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: this tension between the political power which was held in

464
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 4: rural counties and the monetary influence which resided in Atlanta.

465
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: What marked a good politician or power broker was one's

466
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: ability to thread that needle. Now. Almost immediately upon arriving

467
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: in McRae, Jen began asking around about the local courthouse gang.

468
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: In his old towns of Aley in Mount Vernon, the

469
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: courthouse gang there was under the control of the Peterson Fans,

470
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: who facilitated Jean's moved to the area, so he wisely

471
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 4: avoided getting into unnecessary fights with the local establishment, But

472
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: in McRae this ceased to be the case. This was

473
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 4: his first opportunity to play at politics, as he sensed

474
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: the local political structure was unstable, and positions of power

475
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: were often in flux. Now Jean had very naked ambitions

476
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: of power, but he preferred picking fights with the courthouse

477
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: gang rather than appeasing them. He was so immediately disliked

478
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: by this exclusive collection of powerbrokers that the other lawyers

479
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 4: saw him as quote the N word, who came to town.

480
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: So just using racism as a way to call someone

481
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: essentially like an unwonted stranger. So that's how they started

482
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: to That's how they started referring to Jean. Now, he

483
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: also just became so unpopular that it became hard for

484
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 4: him to win a case before the jury. Jean continued

485
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 4: to struggle with his law practice as he managed his

486
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 4: farm through the years up and through World War One.

487
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: At this point, he operated what they call a two

488
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: mule farm. He grew cotton and sugar cane, and then

489
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: moved on to peanuts. He hired white and black farm hands,

490
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: none of which were treated great whoa but dby, But

491
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: the black ones were treated much worse.

492
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but worse than the neighboring farms. See okay, well, okay,

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: there you go. Woke.

494
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: It woke on the idea that everyone was all pretty

495
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 4: racist and pretty violent and pretty fucked up.

496
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if that's what woke means, then yes, done

497
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean.

498
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Speaker 4: In an anonymous interview from nineteen forty one, a close

499
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: friend of Jean recalled quote, Jean was like a lot

500
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: of farm bosses back then. He'd knock the hell out

501
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: of a black if he crossed him.

502
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: Oops.

503
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: I remembered when he was governor, he hit one of

504
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 4: his farm inwards upside the head with a pistol, and

505
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: the pistol went off. The N Word ran under the

506
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: house holding his head, and Jean got a little scared

507
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 4: that he killed him. He told me to go look

508
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: under the house to see if he was all right.

509
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: By the time I got there, the N word had

510
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: run home, packed its bags and left unquot.

511
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that's one of those remarkable passages. Were like every

512
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: additional clause makes it worse.

513
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, Instances like this were not uncommon for Jane,

514
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: Anderson writes quote. Jane later admitted to flogging a Negro

515
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 4: man and appeared ashamed of it, saying good people could

516
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: be misguided and do bad things. Disregarding this remerseful apology,

517
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: Talmadge's attitude towards blacks was that they were childlike, basically stupid,

518
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: barely moved from a savage ancestry, and should be closely controlled. Now,

519
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: Gene was just well known locally to have racist outbursts

520
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: of violence. During World War One, a Jewish man and

521
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 4: his wife from the North were accompanied by their black

522
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: butler traveling back home from Florida. While passing through mcray,

523
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: the woman and her butler walked through town snacking on apples,

524
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: and the display of white wool and a black man

525
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: alone eating food together shocked and angered the local shop owners.

526
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: As news reached the courthouse, Gene busted out the door,

527
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: brandishing an axe. With another lawyer armed with a hammer,

528
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: Gene charged towards the butler, screaming, I'm gonna get you

529
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: n word, and the white lady threw apples at Jean,

530
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: and a mob descended and demanded the couple leave town,

531
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: which they did, abandoning the black butler, who was left

532
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 4: to flee on his own. H Anderson notes that quote

533
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: no one ever did find the poor servant unquote, So

534
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: it's another one of these incidents, and like you can't

535
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: like name all of them. This is just like such

536
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: a common common occurrence now, Anderson writes, quote this incident

537
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: reflects the complexity and the cruelty of the racial situation.

538
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: Jeane saw nothing wrong with having negroes to eat lunch

539
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: at his table and cook his food, as long as

540
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: they don't sit next to his wife. But he considered

541
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: it unthinkable to have a black man accompany a white

542
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: woman down the street eating apples together, no matter how

543
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: innocent their motives. To explain this position towards black people

544
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: in the nineteen twenties is to explain that of most georgiansuote.

545
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: By nineteen eighteen, Jeens, or rather myts farming venture was

546
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: a steady operation, but his law practice was still largely

547
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: a failure, and his political aspirations remained completely unrequited. His

548
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: first real brush with politics arose when the office of

549
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: Solicitor to the City Court became vacant. Now, it wasn't

550
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: a big position, but it could provide a foot in

551
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: the door. Now Jean had the perfect idea to secure

552
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: his spot in the open post. He wrote to his father,

553
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: who was a very well connected and well respected man

554
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, and asked him to speak with the governor

555
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: about appointing e Gene to the position. Now, the governor

556
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: was apparently happy to oblige, but instead of this impressing

557
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: the local courthouse gang, this only made them hate Gene

558
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: Moore because like, of course, you're just asking your like

559
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: fancy dad to like it give you, give you this

560
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: post instead of actually having like a work for it yourself.

561
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: They were so unhappy with this state of affairs that

562
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: they had the office voted out of existence by the legislature.

563
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: They really wanted nothing to do with Jean. One of

564
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: the stories about how Jean got into politics was that

565
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: the local courthouse gang was refusing to grade the roads

566
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: around his farm, so he sought office to do it himself. Now,

567
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: this is most certainly like not the main reason he

568
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: got into politics. He was always interested in politics, but

569
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: this is a story that was deployed for his own

570
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: political gain over time. Now, at this point in Georgia, rail,

571
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: oil and power were the main political industries, but with

572
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: the advent of the automobile, the age of the road

573
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: was around the bend. Georgia roads were famously quite bad

574
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: in the nineteen twenties, and rural roads were often way

575
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: too rough for like buggies and cars and really only

576
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: good for horses and.

577
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: Walking same today, honestly, I.

578
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: Mean sometimes in certain areas, Jane made friends with multiple

579
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: early roadbuilders, including a man named John Whitley, who would

580
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: later become one of his best friends. Jean also struck

581
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: up a friendship with the so called most knowledgeable roadbuilder

582
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: in the area, a man named J. C. Thrasher.

583
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: Another fantastic name, amazing name. Oh, I'm gonna steal that

584
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: man's name to write a fucking TV show like I

585
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: was say, forty five minute episodes twenty six this season

586
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: about a guy who repossesses cars in Miami.

587
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good like repoman the name JC Thrasher.

588
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: Now. Thrasher and Jean bonded over their shared aspirations of

590
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 4: getting into the Courthouse Gang, both feeling like they've been

591
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: screwed over by the local establishment. Now. Thrasher wanted to

592
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: run for county commissioner, and Jean volunteered to be his

593
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: campaign manager. He ran Thrasher as an independent since the

594
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: Democratic Party was tied in with the local Courthouse Gang,

595
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: but he managed to get Thrasher elected. As soon as

596
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: he took office, Thrasher appointed Jen as attorney for the county.

597
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: The court host gang had finally been broken, and the

598
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: pair began their successful road building program. Now, but after

599
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: only being a county attorney for like just a few months,

600
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: Jean wanted more. He decided to run for state representative. Now.

601
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 4: His wife, Met wasn't thrilled. She didn't really care much

602
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: for Jean's political aspirations and felt that he was abandoning

603
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: the farm that they had spent a decade building, which

604
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: he absolutely was. But nevertheless, Jane persisted and announced his

605
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: candidacy in a short statement. I'm going to quote from

606
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: Anderson here. Quote. Much of the Talmadge future in politics

607
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 4: can be read in this first announcement. Know the poor voter,

608
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: articulate few problems and fewer solutions, and bear down heavily

609
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: on your own honesty. Do nothing but do it with honor. Unquote.

610
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: And yeah, Gene had kind of had like a libertarian

611
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: esque undercurrent to a holemunchie of his campaign.

612
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: He certainly do.

613
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: He's which is like funny because like he is a dictator,

614
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: but he's like a libertarian dictator.

615
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: It's a thing in US politics in particular kind of

616
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: no matter who you are, you have to have some

617
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: libertarian even to the present day. Some libertarian sign posting

618
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: in your I mean, Kamao just did this with her

619
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: like I have a gun, I'd shoot someone who.

620
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: Broke it, who comes into my house.

621
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to do it a little bit, because

622
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: it's just so baked into what Americans are, you know,

623
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: So I get that.

624
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. Jane mostly ran his campaign alone. He would get

625
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: up early and right around on county roads, talking with farmers,

626
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: rail workers, and shopkeepers. Anderson notes, quote Gina knew that

627
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: he had to counter years of bad publicity from the

628
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: gang and many unpopular court fights unquote, And despite Jean's

629
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: work to counter this bad publicity, he did lose seven

630
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty six votes to one hundred and eighty

631
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: seven votes, which gives you an idea of like the

632
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: voting population of this area.

633
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

634
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, But Jean took the loss well, knowing that he

635
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: did reasonably reasonably well for his first run, and he

636
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: didn't want to damage the positive reputation that he'd worked

637
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 4: hard to build up that summer with his newly garnered goodwill,

638
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: Jean McKim friends with the old leader of the gang,

639
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: Lamar Murdeaux, eventually moving into his law office. Gene's second

640
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: attempt to run for office was in nineteen twenty two,

641
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: this time for the state Senate. In attempts to discredit

642
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: him during the race, the courthouse lawyers convened a grand

643
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: jury to accuse Talmage of having sex with his plowing mule, which,

644
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: as a tried and true political tactic, is just accusing

645
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: your opponent of having sex with animals. It is an

646
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: old one that simply will not go away. Still, Gene

647
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: was improving as a politician, evidenced by winning the popular

648
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 4: vote in the three county race. Yet the courthouse gang

649
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: decided that this election would be subject to the county

650
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: unit system and chose to over rule the popular vote.

651
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 4: Just despite Jean Jean was now forty years old. He

652
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 4: couldn't manage to get elected to local office and really

653
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: only got where he was via the courtesy of family

654
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 4: and friends, and was continuously outmaneuvered by his enemies. But

655
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: despite his losses, he kept thinking bigger. Around nineteen twenty four,

656
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: Jeane took a trip to Atlanta to, in the words

657
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 4: of his friend and long term political ally, Henry Sperlin, quote,

658
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: find the biggest dog he could to decide who to

659
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: run against. Now. While at Atlanta, Gene encountered the Agricultural Commissioner,

660
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: Old JJ Brown, another great another great name, who's who's

661
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: described as a huge man wearing a huge hat surrounded

662
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: by a personal posse.

663
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: Now, Jean, so he was he was like strong pimp vibes. Yeah,

664
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: of course, who's yes, very much so, very much so.

665
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: And Jane was enamored by this, right, of course, Gene pimps.

666
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: That's an important moment. Never young boys live.

667
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: Gene to be a guy with a big hat surrounded

668
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: by a personal posse.

669
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: That's like all he wants. Who doesn't.

670
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 4: Now, Andrew sid notes that quote. In rural Georgia, with

671
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: its weak central government and strong agricultural economy, the office

672
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: of Agricultural Commissioner had emerged as one of the more

673
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: powerful unquote, and Old JJ Brown was in with big

674
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: fertilizer and while he was like famously corrupt, he was

675
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: also one of the most powerful men in the state,

676
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: controlling a very fierce political lobby and awarded supporters with

677
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: cushy oil and fertilizer inspector jobs. To stand to stand

678
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: a chance against JJ, Gene would need substantial political assistance Luckily,

679
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: he'd become friendly with the editor of the very very

680
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: influential Atlantic Constitution newspaper, who, like many others, wanted to

681
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: see Old JJ go. But sympathetic coverage wasn't enough to

682
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: go up against JJ. Now, Old JJ Brown's open display

683
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: of corruption was turning more and more lawmakers against him.

684
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: A state legislator named Tom Linder was heading up an

685
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: efforts to find someone to run against Brown. On a

686
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: trip home to South Georgia, Linder happens to encounter Talmadge

687
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: while going farm to farm selling fertilizer. Talmdge had heard

688
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: of Linder, and the two started talking politics. He mentioned

689
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: that he was looking for someone to run up against

690
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: Old JJ with the backing of one hundred legislators, but

691
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: everyone was just too scared to run now. Jane quickly

692
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: right over and told Lamar Murdau about this coincidental opportunity,

693
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: and a few nights later, both men showed up outside

694
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: Linder's house announcing that Jean would like a run for

695
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: Agricultural Commissioner. Though he didn't have the best political track record,

696
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 4: Jeane was feisty, and more importantly, literally no one else

697
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 4: was willing to go up against JJ at this point. Now,

698
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: Jeane's wife was not pleased, and she only found out

699
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: about his candidacy while shopping in town one day. At

700
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: this point, Jean admit, we're not talking much about Jane's

701
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: political career.

702
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: That's sad.

703
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Mit, MIT's very busy having to run

704
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: Jean's farm, so she has a lot to do.

705
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, being a girl boss.

706
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 4: Kinda although Gene will take all the credit for the farm.

707
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's what being a boy bosses.

708
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 4: That is what being a boy bosses.

709
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: Real Zuckerberg energy from our man Jean here.

710
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: Now, some in the local courthouse gang were very quick

711
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: to snitch on Jean, but a fair amount of them

712
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: were wrangled into supporting him. Anderson notes said, for Jean's haters,

713
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 4: it was kind of a wind wind scenario for him

714
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: to run against a powerful man like JJ, because if

715
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: he lost, which he most certainly would, his ambitions would

716
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: once again be completely crushed. And if he somehow won,

717
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: then Gene just wouldn't be their problem anymore. Now, Murdeaux

718
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: headed up Inner County relations, going around talking to different newspapers,

719
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: courthouse gangs, and churches, and the election had a few

720
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: other local boys from across the state, eventually running on

721
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 4: a similar platform against Brown, but Jean stood out because

722
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: of his presentation and theatrics reminiscent of the populist Tom Watson,

723
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: as well as the favorable coverage in the Constitution and

724
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: Murdeaux later just paid off two candidates to drop out

725
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: of the race. This way, Gene was able to present

726
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: himself as the lone combatant standing against all odds town,

727
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: which was absolutely trying to fill in the populist power

728
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: vacuum left by the death of his adolescent inspiration, Tom Watson.

729
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: Jean started using little nicknames to attack his opponents, calling

730
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: JJ's corrupt oil inspectors oily boys. Work.

731
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good start. Start, It's a good start.

732
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: Did start oily boys?

733
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Start with Hillary before he reached his apothesis with Joe

734
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: meatball Ron. That was his finest hour. That's his battle.

735
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: You can see the uptick right, got crooked Hillary, sleepy Joe.

736
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: You did just just nuked him. That That was the

737
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: verbal equivalent of a fucking cruise missile. Now Anderson does

738
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: right again. He wrote this in the seventies quote. Jean

739
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: had an unusual talent for coming up with simple, easy

740
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: to remember, funny phrases. Unquote, Yeah, that's that's a staple

741
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: of politics.

742
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: To continue from Anderson quote, Jane had developed an uncanny

743
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: intuition about the emotional motivation of the farmer. He knew

744
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: they were gut motivated, responsive to emotional appeals and extremes,

745
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: and had a strong propensity for irrationality. They possessed great pride,

746
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: a fantastic sense of their past and an appreciation for it.

747
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: And they were suspicious of things strange and alien. The

748
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: strategy of erecting faceless enemies and conspiracies warring against the

749
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: little man, the haves against the have nots, had been

750
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: used definitively by Watson, and the disciple had learned well

751
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: from the master. His language could be earthy, profane, grammatically atrocious,

752
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: and very provincial in isolated rural areas. It was tailored

753
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 4: to be understood by the most ignorant farmhand, simple, uncluttered,

754
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: blunt discourse punctuated with bile passages and rule humor. His

755
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 4: language was also very adaptable. He was a highly educated man,

756
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: capable of polish and refinement and sophisticated dialogue. So he

757
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: kind of like he kind of like code switched and

758
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: talking to like rural farmers, he would talk a certain way,

759
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: and talking to like people in Atlanta, he would talk

760
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: a different way because he wasn't a hick, like he

761
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: went to the University of Georgia. He was educated.

762
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, because like he literally said, he

763
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: wants people to think he's a farmer, but he hates farming.

764
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: That's exactly Yet he understood the value of playing as

765
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: a hick.

766
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly he was. He had he kind of introduced

767
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: if I introduced, he kind of popularized this very like

768
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: theatrical style of politics for the US governor, Like this

769
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: is this is where he made his bread and butter

770
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 4: was being a very like theatrical Uh I think, I

771
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: think I think Anderson calls it a politics of crisis,

772
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: like a theatrical politics of crisis. That was his main tactic. Yeah,

773
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: And do you know what our main tactic is, Robert.

774
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's actually that Garrison. I'm a big fan of

775
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: the politics of crisis, which is why I'm trying to

776
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 2: convince everybody listening that there's a high stakes presidential election

777
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: occurring when you and I both know the lizards picked

778
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: the winner months ago.

779
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 4: God, anyway, Okay, you're semess. It's a good bit. I'm

780
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 4: just not going to continue.

781
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: I just can no, no, no, no, no, there's only

782
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: so far we should go into that. Otherwise somebody's gonna

783
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: send us a message on Reddit that makes me regret

784
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: in the last several years of work I've done. Anyway,

785
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: here's some ass.

786
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: So that's why I think if the electoral count is tied,

787
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: the Senate's obviously going to pick Tim Walls. That was

788
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: That's been the plan the whole time. It's already illustrated.

789
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: It's very because Oh sorry, hey guys, welcome's behind the bastards.

790
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: We're returning once once again.

791
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: A podcast about how Tim Walls absolutely is not descended

792
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: from an iguana. Look, I haven't gone through his childhood photos,

793
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: seen pictures of his parents. I can't prove to you

794
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: that he's part of guana. You know, that's just not

795
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: a thing I'm going to do. He's population DNA. Absolutely,

796
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: it has a lot of like you can keep an

797
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: iguana in a trarium. Garrison, don't be racist.

798
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: Speaking speaking of racism, Eugene Talbach. Oh boy, So now

799
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: to Jean's delight again, we are we are in the

800
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: race for the Agricultural Commissioner, and to Jean's delight, JJ

801
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 4: Brown challenged him to multiple debates, the first of which

802
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 4: would take place in McRae. Now, this is exactly what

803
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: Gene was wanting. Now, JJ had heard that Gene was

804
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: unpopular in his hometown and thought it would be like

805
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 4: an easy win. But JJ made the mistake of only

806
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: hearing from Jean's local critics and failed to realize the

807
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: ability of a small town to rally together against a big,

808
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: slimy like, big city politician. This was going to be

809
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: the biggest political event in the town's history, and folks

810
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: were genuinely excited to see that fiery Gene Talmadge go

811
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 4: at it again. Jeane absolutely dominated in the debate, using

812
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: the hometown crowd to his advantage, and not that that

813
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: was needed though, as the second debate was in JJ's

814
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 4: hometown in North Georgia, and once again Talmadge handed JJ

815
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: Brown a humiliating defeat. Anderson writes that quote Brown had

816
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: been run off the stump in his own hometown unquote. Now,

817
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: Jane returned to McRae for election day, where he won

818
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty three thousand votes to sixty six

819
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 4: thousand votes.

820
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: Gotta say the number of voters has really leapt up

821
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: since the last election.

822
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, Gene also just completely dominated in the county

823
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: unit system, getting three hundred and sixty two county unit

824
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: votes to Brown's meager fifty two out to quote Anderson quote,

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Press and the Georgia Legislature provided session blood

826
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: to a skeleton conceived and bound together by the tremendous

827
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: energies and aspirations of Eugene Talmadge unquote, and I think

828
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: this is this is this is really.

829
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: Interesting place for a skeleton metaphor. But I'm on board.

830
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: Gene was often very skeleton like. He kind of looked

831
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: like a walking skeleton.

832
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't look a good skeleton. I like skeletons, you know.

833
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: I think it's something with a skeleton.

834
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: So I think it's important to point out that like

835
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: both the Atlanta Press and the Georgia and the Georgia

836
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: Legislature would later like hate Gene Talmadge, and yet they

837
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 4: are the ones responsible for first getting him into power.

838
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: It was only through their coverage and only through their assistance,

839
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: that he was made into the monster that he would become.

840
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: Without their participation, he probably would have stayed just a

841
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: small country lawyer. It was specifically their help that allowed

842
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 4: him to get to where he was now. Gene fulfilled

843
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: his campaign promises of cutting the bloated number of inspectors,

844
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: and while he removed any remnants of the old corrupt

845
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: JJ regime, he didn't tend to hire a lot of

846
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 4: his own family members, and he won reelection in nineteen

847
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 4: twenty eight. But for a man in such a high

848
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: political position, he had a very juvenile understanding of the

849
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: state economy. He cannot understand why southern bankers favored appeasing

850
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: Wall Street over helping local farmers. Gene weaponized fears of

851
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: Southern inferiority and oppression, preaching that rich Northerners were using

852
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 4: their influence to keep the agricultural South subserving to the North.

853
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: And Orison writes that this belief quote drove him beyond

854
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: old South conservatism to the point of know nothingism and

855
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 4: a semi rejection of all things geographically and idealistically removed

856
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: from the South. Unquote. He ran a column in the

857
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: department's own newspaper, the Market Bulletin, which ostensibly existed to

858
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: communicate directly with farmers, but he mostly used it to

859
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: spread his economic and political philosophy. Right, this is how

860
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: you used to send like updates on like farming and

861
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: like agricultural information because the Internet doesn't exist. But Gene

862
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 4: used this as his own Twitter feed, just just posting

863
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: posting his like economic opinions.

864
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: This is a thing like with the very worst people

865
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: in like the Night of the twentieth century is they

866
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: all found ways to independently create Twitter for themselves.

867
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 4: This is a Twitter.

868
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone on Twitter, and all of the worst people

869
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: figured out how to make their own.

870
00:47:53,400 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely now. Gene one reelection a third time

871
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: in nineteen thirty and this year marked the first time

872
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: in the state's history that a majority of the population

873
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: weren't living on a farm. Basically, since the Civil War, Georgia,

874
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: especially rural Georgia, was stuck in a culturally imposed political isolation.

875
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: But now people were fleeing the countryside in droves as

876
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: a mixture of like economic hardships, developing technology, and urban growths.

877
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: As Anderson puts it, quote brought the reality of the

878
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: world to Georgia unquote and basically this like forced modernism

879
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 4: that was encroaching provided a compelling alternative to farm life

880
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 4: for the rural population. At the start of the depression,

881
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 4: the average price of farmland and cotton fell by one half,

882
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: and Jane still did basically nothing to help his supporters

883
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: weather these bad times. He mostly just encouraged people to

884
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: stay on the farm, and he embassaed the farmer starve

885
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: out there, you know, yeah, because like he thought that

886
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: was more noble than taking help from the federal government.

887
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 4: Like literally he spent all of his time just complaining

888
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: about the Federal Farm bureaus recommendations and attempts to help people,

889
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: saying that their efforts were like Unamerican right, trying to

890
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 4: give people like money to get food, trying to start

891
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: lending cooperatives, trying to encourage people to just farm a

892
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 4: little bit less land so they have a sustainable like

893
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: supplying to man ecosystem. Now, it's just very clear like

894
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: Gene lacked the economic knowledge to effectively enact any change,

895
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 4: so instead he blamed all of the state's agricultural and

896
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 4: economic woes on Wall Street and bankers quote unquote. The

897
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: poor economic situation seriously put into question the image of

898
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: individual frontier self sufficiency. So Why were people still supporting

899
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 4: Talmage even though he was so ill equipped to understand

900
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: their current economic situation, with the farmers often just ignoring

901
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: his advice but voting for him anyway. I'm going to

902
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 4: quote from Anderson to kind of answer that question. Quote

903
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: Gene was saying, we do not want to become dependent

904
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: on our government, and they were desperately looking for relief.

905
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: The Georgia farmer had lost the will to care for

906
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: himself because he had lost the ability. This forced him

907
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: to think beyond himself and realized that this was now

908
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: a world of alternatives to staying on the farm. These

909
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: new directions in which the farmer was moving were apparently

910
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 4: creating a problem of conscience, and by supporting the voice

911
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: of the past, Gene Talmadge, they were absolving guilty feelings

912
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 4: about leaving the past. So while farmers were struggling, Gina

913
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 4: was actually having quite a bit of fun. He would

914
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 4: take road trips.

915
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: With his friends.

916
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: Good.

917
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: I hate it when people like put their back into

918
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: their work and just are miserable. You know, if you're

919
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: going to be a dictator, you might as well enjoy

920
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: the path to dictation.

921
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 4: He was having a good time at this point, he

922
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: was less of a dictator and more just like I

923
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: saw on the road, he just wasn't doing it Like

924
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: this is like in terms of his like libertarian approach,

925
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: this is him being a libertarian. He's he's just not

926
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: doing anything.

927
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: That's the dream of every ruler.

928
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: People are in like a vere agricultural crisis, and as

929
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: the commissioner, he's just being like, good luck, stay out there,

930
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 4: don't stop farming, and like that's it. Meanwhile, he's taking

931
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: road trips with his friends and family to places like

932
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 4: Charleston's Botanical Gardens to quote unquote study to quote unquote

933
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 4: study agriculture. Sure, the commissioner's hard out, yeah, yeah, And

934
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: he just kept hiring family members and had this state

935
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: pay for cars that they crashed. And he also didn't

936
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: report the tax money he collected it to the state

937
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 4: treasury instead of putting it into his friend's bank accounts.

938
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: A good friend.

939
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: The state doesn't need to handle this money. I'll deal

940
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: with that. I'll just put it in Bill's account.

941
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: That's not because you look Garrison, the state you know,

942
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: could get up to all sorts of corruption andigans. But Bill,

943
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: he's just gonna spend that on hooch and chew chew,

944
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 2: not beer.

945
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 4: Beer is big. No.

946
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: No, Look, if Joe Biden had just sent twenty billion

947
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: dollars to the guy who provides him with zins, none

948
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: of us would have an issue with it, right, you know,

949
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 2: That's all I'll say.

950
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: So what got Gene into real trouble though, was when

951
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 4: he completely unauthorized used the state's money, took by eighty

952
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: two car loads of hogs from Georgia farmers and get

953
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 4: if Joe.

954
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: Biden carloads of hogs, we'd be fine with it.

955
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: Oh, holdd I've lost my place in this.

956
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: Sure, that's a good number of car loads of hogs.

957
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: Although a car back then you're only fitting what two

958
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: to four hogs max. That's really not that many hogs.

959
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: It's about fourteen thousand dollars worth of hogs in nineteen

960
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: twenties money. So it's it's it's a lot of hogs.

961
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: That is a that's that seems like a decent quantity

962
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: of hogs. Yeah.

963
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 4: Now this was an illegal and just bizarre attempt to

964
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: help the local hog market by buying these hogs and

965
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: shipping them to Chicago to sell at a higher price,

966
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: and us all behind the governor's back. This scheme lost

967
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: the state anywhere from twelve to twenty thousand dollars, just

968
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 4: depending who you ask is which is between a two

969
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five thousand to three hundred and seventy

970
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars in today's money.

971
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: So this is the kind of scam Aney Adams would

972
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: get caught doing today.

973
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 4: Yes, he lost the state basically the at least the

974
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: equivalent of like a quarter of a quarter of a

975
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 4: million dollars with this weird hog scheme. And in the

976
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 4: summer of nineteen thirty one, his questionable practice is finally

977
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: caught up with him with a Senate investigation tesked to

978
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: look into his conduct. I'm going to quote from Anderson here. Quote.

979
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: The committee disclosed that Gene had paid forty thousand dollars

980
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 4: eight hundred thousand in today's money in salaries to himself

981
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 4: and members of his family over a three year period.

982
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 4: This also includes their expenses such as yearly trips to

983
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 4: the Kentucky Derby.

984
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, well that's that's a bit that's necessary.

985
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Though you can't can run agricultural research. There's a certain

986
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: minimum number of mint julips you need to be effective

987
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: in Georgia government. And you're only gonna get that density

988
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: if you go to the care. Maybe next year you

989
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: and I will go to the Derby.

990
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 4: That I would. I'd be very down for that. We

991
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: can get.

992
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: Matching tailored white suits.

993
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 4: I am already down for that. Let's let's do it.

994
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: That'll be fun. That'll be a good.

995
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: Calm year of twenty twenty five. Or hopefully nothing will happen.

996
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: It'll be the only interesting thing occurring is our trip

997
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 2: to the Derby.

998
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: God, God, I hope.

999
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: So you and I are both going to learn about

1000
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: new kinds of racism, not new kinds of racism, but

1001
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: new to us.

1002
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, new do me a Canadian?

1003
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Well, there's there's racism in the South, and then

1004
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: there is like family money racism in the South, and

1005
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: that you really gotta you really gotta go to the

1006
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: Derby to catch a load of that.

1007
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: I believe that one of those plantation weddings, it is.

1008
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: It is like Gene's favorite place to go. So yeah,

1009
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: I can see that. Yeah. The Senate Committee eventually called

1010
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 4: for a second hearing to investigate Jean's use of fertilizer

1011
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: tax money, which, instead of sending into the treasury he

1012
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: was depositing into the accounts of his friends. Jane refused

1013
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: to appear before the second hearing, claiming the committee had

1014
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: no power to demand his appearance, which the committee responded

1015
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: by asking for contempt proceedings and vaguely threatening impeachment. This

1016
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: was all a little ironic after Jen ran as like

1017
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 4: the big anti corruption candidate, but Talmdge was eventually forced

1018
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: to show up at the Investigative Committee hearing, where he

1019
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 4: proudly stated, quote, if I stole it was for farmers

1020
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 4: like yoursels un quote, And this like determination and dedication

1021
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: to helping farmers by against stealing hogs was enough to

1022
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 4: strike down an appeachment resolution by one hundred and fourteen

1023
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 4: votes to twenty two. So all of at this point,

1024
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 4: the Senate was also kind of full of farmers who

1025
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: weren't very smart, so they were like, yeah, Gene, you go.

1026
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 4: So he was fine. But to appease a few of

1027
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 4: the angry senators who wanted the governor to take action

1028
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 4: in court, Governor Russell tasked his AG to undergo his

1029
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: own investigation, which eventually recommended that Talmadge pay back the

1030
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: state fifteen thousand dollars for the hogs and his stepson's

1031
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: job as a clerk. But the governor didn't actually take

1032
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: action on this because he was planning a run for

1033
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 4: the US Senate and didn't want to anger the farmers.

1034
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 4: So Gene essentially just got away with all of this,

1035
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 4: emerging as a sort of like Robin Hood figure who

1036
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: would steal from the stage to help the farmers. Now,

1037
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 4: come nineteen thirty two, the governor was running for a

1038
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: US Senate and Jean had his eyes on the governor's office.

1039
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: The hometown crowd from McRae traveled to Atlanta to pay

1040
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 4: for the qualifying fee and announce his candidacy. Jeane had

1041
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: largely been able to get around the courthouse gangs by

1042
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: appealing directly to the vast swaths of the rural population,

1043
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: and as commissioner, he made enough contacts in various counties

1044
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 4: that an election campaign organization could rather spontaneously take form.

1045
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 4: The state's largest roadbuilder, John Whitley, who was old friends

1046
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 4: with Gene, got close to his political circle once again

1047
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 4: with the prospect of Gene taking over the Highway Department.

1048
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: Jane was really obsessed in this campaign with paying off

1049
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: state debt, which he viewed as an evil long plaguing

1050
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: the South. Gene was also worried by the then presidential

1051
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: candidate Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt's calls for a more involved federal government.

1052
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: To quote from Anderson quote, Jane knew that if the

1053
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: starving farmer were given food money as a handout, the

1054
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: Southern farmer would therefore remain in subjugation, only this time

1055
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 4: to the government instead of the local bank or Wall

1056
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: Street psychological indebtedness far worse than the region's traditional financial indebtedness.

1057
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: Gene's obsession with debt as evil was an example of

1058
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: his inability to distinguish the symptom from the disease. His

1059
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 4: nineteen thirty two platform was flawed by this failing, and

1060
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: thus he attacked peripheral issues that ironically served to maintain

1061
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: the very problems he was trying to cure. Jean had

1062
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 4: entered the race naming the issue high taxes and high

1063
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: government spending. The other candidates joined him in unison. The

1064
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 4: entire slate were by the book, old line conservative who

1065
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 4: saw the answers to the day's problems in yesterday's solutions unquote.

1066
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 4: The one piece of government spending that Jane did earnestly

1067
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: support was pensions for Confederate veterans, of course, which he

1068
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: did like. This was actually something he like, sincerely advocated

1069
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: for that this is this wasn't like a political gesture, No, this.

1070
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: Was clearly something that was important to him.

1071
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like he saw Confederate veterans as like

1072
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 4: paragons of the lost world that Jane was like fighting.

1073
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: To return to. You know, some of us, some of us,

1074
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: I just don't think we should get give out participation trophies.

1075
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 4: You know. It's so true, brother, so true. Now, on

1076
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: July fourth, a massive barbecue rally was held in McRae,

1077
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: drawing huge numbers, with the Atlantic Constitution providing extremely thorough coverage,

1078
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: which they did for no other candidate this this race.

1079
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: As Jane traveled the state giving speeches, he was dubbed

1080
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: the wild Man from Sugar Creek. Even though he was

1081
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 4: politically ill prepared, his personality was perfect for the Russian period.

1082
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 4: His performance was a distraction from the harsh reality of

1083
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: rural life, and if not much else, offered the sweet

1084
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 4: taste of nostalgia. Anderson writes that quote, those who attached

1085
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: their dreams to his words could, in a small part

1086
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 4: escape those realities by believing in Eugene Talmadge unquote. Gene

1087
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: was seen as the clear front runner, and his platform

1088
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: relied on his ability to make a speech so impactful,

1089
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: so unforgettable in the lives of the attendees that they

1090
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: would immediately become Talmadge loyalists. Gene utilized his supporters planted

1091
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 4: in the crowd, to queum up for certain topics and

1092
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: encourage audience interaction. All of his opponents attacked Talmadge's personal

1093
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 4: record instead of his platform, focusing on his near impeachment,

1094
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 4: his Senate in Agen investigation, and the whole Hog incident.

1095
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 4: But Gina was able to flip this around and turn

1096
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 4: the hog incident into a sort of rallying cry. Planted

1097
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: members in the crowd would quum up by shouting, tell

1098
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 4: us about them pigs, you stole Gene, and Gen would

1099
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 4: lean in and point to figure out the crowd and say,

1100
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 4: they say, I stole. Yeah, it's true, I stole, but

1101
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 4: I stole for you. You mean in overalls, you dirt

1102
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 4: farmers and the crowd which.

1103
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: Farmers amazing stuff.

1104
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1105
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Garrison, I should announce here when I

1106
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: run for president, I want to promise the American people

1107
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: one thing, which is that there will be a hog

1108
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: based scandal within my first year in office. I guarantee you.

1109
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: I just settled on the specific hog based scandal, but

1110
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: there will be a hog based scandal. I guarantee it.

1111
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: No. I do think it is important to note, like

1112
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: how all of these attacks on Jean's record, He's able

1113
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 4: to completely flip around and turn into like assets, right,

1114
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: Like he's he's he's smart. People attack him as ways

1115
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: to make himself stronger.

1116
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's it's it's the it's the kind of

1117
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: thing Trump's able to do too. It's it's political judo. Right,

1118
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: It's like using the momentum of your enemy's attacks in

1119
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: order to advance. Yeah, it's it's Yet I hate because

1120
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: it does seem to be there's a degree with both

1121
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Trump and with Talmage, because there's not like a class

1122
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: on this, and you really don't get this. I don't

1123
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: even know what they would have been reading that would

1124
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: have taught them this. I mean there's bits of history

1125
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: where you get pieces of this. I always have the

1126
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: feeling with most of the guys who are good at this,

1127
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: it's it's instinctive to a significant degree.

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's like it has to be just kind

1129
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 4: of how like how their general like demeanor is, and

1130
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 4: it just it just has a degree of like uncanny overlap.

1131
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

1132
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: Now. Gene supporters were also sometimes sometimes troublemakers to quote

1133
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 4: Anderson quote. Although they were never instructed by Gene to

1134
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 4: disrupt the opponent's speeches, the Talwich plants could wreak havoc

1135
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: on the other candidates. Their tactics did not include booing,

1136
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 4: but they did go in for causing suspicious accidents, like

1137
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: setting a car on fire during an opponent's speech. The

1138
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: resulting smoke and sirens would invariably send the crowd a

1139
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 4: racing towards the fire, leaving the hapless speaker without an

1140
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: audience quote. So, instead like heckling the speaker, they would

1141
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 4: just start a fire to distract everybody, which is actually

1142
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: a pretty effective tactic. Yeah, people, it does. People love

1143
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: running towards fires.

1144
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Portland kids in twenty twenty, Eugene Dalmach demonstrative fires

1145
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: to distract from other actions. Yeah, beautiful.

1146
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: Gene was also obsessed with crowd size. He would intentionally

1147
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: book venues that were too small for the expected crowd.

1148
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: So that reporting would say that there was an overflowing

1149
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: crowd at every event, so to newspaper readers, Gene would

1150
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 4: seem like he was just exceedingly popular. He would also

1151
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: ask local sheriffs to count how many people were in attendance,

1152
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 4: usually about fifteen thousand, which was bigger than the size

1153
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: of like an average county, which would get the sheriff

1154
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: to proudly proclaim that each event was a record crowd size. Again,

1155
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 4: it's very very similar like overlap. Right, there's no class

1156
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 4: that teaches you you should really care about crowd size.

1157
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 4: It's just what these guys go for.

1158
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: Now.

1159
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 4: In less than two months, Jeane made over fifty speeches

1160
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 4: and talked in front of more than seventy five thousand Georgians.

1161
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna quote a little anecdote from Anderson quote. So

1162
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 4: completely has he sold his image as one of the

1163
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: boys that in one small town, the big limousine in

1164
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 4: which he was riding was turned back because they thought

1165
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 4: that town, which would resent so much wealth being displayed

1166
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: at a speech, Jean was not recognized in the back seat,

1167
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: so the driver turned around and drove outside town where

1168
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: a farmer driving an ox cart was hailed down, Jeane

1169
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: climbed on board, and in a more acceptable transportation, was

1170
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: enthusiastically welcomed at the gate from which he had just

1171
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 4: been turned away unquote. So yeah, this was all theater.

1172
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: This was all play acting for theator.

1173
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: Garrison. You live in the South, now, talk like it.

1174
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 4: Theater? Theater? Is that how you say it, Robert, I'm

1175
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 4: going to a theater night. That's not that's how. That's

1176
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 4: not how people in Georgia talk. I often get made

1177
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: fun of for my Southern country lawyer accent. You Georgia Yankees.

1178
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 4: I just don't don't understand the truth South, which exists

1179
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 4: abroughtly around two and a half hours around the small

1180
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 4: town I grew up in in Oklahoma, Texas, every Homa,

1181
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 4: everything else is Yankees. Sure, Sure, Robert fucking out l

1182
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 4: Passo carpetbaggers. We got we got one page to go through, Buddy.

1183
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: Let's let's wrap this up.

1184
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

1185
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: Now. As the race went on, Jeans started pushing a

1186
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory that all the other candidates were conspiring to

1187
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 4: split up the county unit vote, causing a runoff. Smart

1188
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 4: Smart Anderson Anderson notes, quote the picture of a sinister

1189
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: movement a foot had high appeal for the entertainment starved

1190
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 4: farmers who knew enemies had to be on the land

1191
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 4: but could never identify them unquote, which is just a perfect,

1192
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 4: perfect insight into in the mind of the conservative voter. Now,

1193
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: although a runoff election was expected, as the results began

1194
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 4: coming in, it was clear that Jean had achieved a

1195
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 4: huge victory. He handily won the popular vote by thirty thousand,

1196
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 4: along with two hundred and forty six county unit votes

1197
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: against all his opponents combined total of one hundred and

1198
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 4: forty six. Now, there was only two hundred and forty

1199
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 4: thousand votes in total, so that's the voting population of

1200
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 4: Georgia in nineteen thirty two. Jean's wife, Mitt never moved

1201
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 4: to Atlanta while he served as Commissioner, but after this

1202
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 4: election she reluctantly moved to Atlanta with their kids, and

1203
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 4: the Talwich family turned to the governor's mansion in the

1204
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 4: upscale Endslee Park into a sort of makeshift farm, but

1205
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 4: mostly as like a political gesture, built a chicken coop

1206
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: in the backyard, and they put an old cow on

1207
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 4: the front lawn. During cocktail parties, the cow would often

1208
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: escape to run off and chow down and tear up

1209
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 4: the nearby golf course. Which is great because this area

1210
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 4: I think this is now kind of like around like

1211
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: Piedmont Park. If there should be way more cows walking

1212
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: around this area of Atlanta, just ruining the golf courses,

1213
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 4: that would be fantastic. Almost immediately, the Senate was not

1214
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: too fond of Gene and largely ignored his proposed programs.

1215
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 4: The legislature refused to pass his reduced tax and utility rates,

1216
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: his Highway Department reorganization bill, but most devastating to Jane

1217
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 4: his promise for a three dollars car tag, which was

1218
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 4: a staple of his election campaign, though he did get

1219
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 4: back pay for Confederate veterans past. So there you go.

1220
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 4: The Georgia legislature is always always coming through for what

1221
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 4: really matters.

1222
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. I'm sure there's still somebody in

1223
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 2: George's legislature working on that bill. Oh. Absolutely, we're just

1224
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: leaving checks on the graves.

1225
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: Gene also vetoed his fair share of bills, I think

1226
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 4: around forty and Anderson notes that a complete breakdown had

1227
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 4: occurred between the executive and legislative branches of government. Essentially

1228
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 4: nothing was really getting done. But with this weekend legislature,

1229
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 4: Jane's dictatorial methods began to Manageestjene thought that there was

1230
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 4: like a conspiracy against him by the former governor and

1231
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 4: his allies for Gene to fail, So as soon as

1232
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: the legislature adjourned, he began to utilize archaic executive power

1233
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 4: tal much suspended all regular state taxes for two years,

1234
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 4: citing authority granted in a eighteen twenty one law. This

1235
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 4: was how he was able to force his three his

1236
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 4: promised three dollars license plate by ordering that all automotive

1237
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 4: tax be dropped to three dollars. Now, Gina had a

1238
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 4: lot of guys throughout his career who would just troll

1239
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 4: through like really really old outdated laws to find like

1240
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 4: what loopholes of executive power like existed. This is like

1241
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 4: one of his core tactics was finding like any way

1242
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 4: to exercise the full extent of executive power by often

1243
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 4: going through laws that were like over one hundred years old.

1244
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 4: To quote Anderson quote. It was a coup that made

1245
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: the lawmakers look even worse and in the public side,

1246
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 4: propelled Gene out of the whole mess. The Motor Vehicle

1247
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 4: commission didn't like the idea and refused to sell tags

1248
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 4: for three dollars. Gen immediately told the man that he

1249
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: was off the state payroll, and almost as quickly, the

1250
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 4: commissioner notified the governor that the tags would be sold

1251
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 4: for three dollars after all. Unquote. Now, even without him

1252
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 4: getting his bills passed, Gene would attempt to exert control

1253
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 4: by directly puppeteering state agencies. The first he needed to

1254
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 4: cue was the unwieldy Highway Department, which was taking fifty

1255
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 4: three percent of the state budget. It was essentially the

1256
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 4: biggest political lever in the state because roads controlled where

1257
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 4: everyone went, and you could use road funds as like

1258
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 4: a bargain for like county county courthouse gangs and to

1259
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 4: get like election favors. Gene bargained with the board to

1260
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 4: fire road engineers to cut down on costs, with Gene

1261
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 4: just refusing to approve budgets and issue payments until his

1262
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 4: demands were fulfilled. At this time, Gene was also being

1263
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 4: pressured to call for a special session to legalize beer,

1264
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: an issue that Gene largely found inconsequential, saying beer why

1265
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 4: this is hard liquor. Country beer is a fad unquote.

1266
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 2: If you find it weird that beer was ever illegal

1267
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: in Georgia. There's a documentary Pretty Go Doctormochi and Smokey

1268
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: and the Bandit that you can watch that will explain

1269
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 2: this to you.

1270
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: Now, Gene mostly didn't want to call this extra session,

1271
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 4: mostly out of fear that they would strike down his

1272
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 4: three dollars car tag and remove his ability to leverage

1273
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: power over the Highway Department. Now, during this dispat Gene

1274
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: was also picking a fight with the Public Service Commission

1275
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 4: over high utility rates, saying that there was a conspiracy

1276
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 4: between the five commissioners to charge high rates, and by

1277
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 4: alleging this, he was able to take action under Georgia

1278
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 4: Code to remove state officials who were derelict in their

1279
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 4: duties and appoint their successors. You should can maybe notice

1280
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 4: a trend here that he often was convinced or at

1281
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 4: least claimed that there was all kinds of conspiracies against him. Always,

1282
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 4: no matter what, there was always a conspiracy against him.

1283
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 4: So as things were heating up in Atlanta, Eugene Talmage

1284
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 4: traveled to New York City in mid June, accompanied by

1285
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 4: four National Guard bodyguards. Rumors circulated that Talmadge was undergoing

1286
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: a military occupation of the capital and the treasury. To

1287
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 4: quote Anderson quote, National guardsmen were seen quietly moving about

1288
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 4: the capital grounds armed with machine guns. Simultaneously, it was

1289
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: leaked that two million dollars had been taken from banks

1290
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 4: and placed in the treasury vault because the Highway Department

1291
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 4: was going to sue in federal court. If the court

1292
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 4: granted in their favor, the money could not be touched

1293
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 4: if it was on state property. Unquote. Now, Gene was

1294
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 4: questioned about these odd occurrences of like moving money and

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Speaker 4: armed men, to which he only smiled and replied, military

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Speaker 4: matters must necessarily be kept secret uncovered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that scance.

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Speaker 4: This whole sequence of events is extremely profetic for what

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Speaker 4: Jene's reign over Georgia would look like in the next

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Speaker 4: like ten years. Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, if I'm in power, am I going to have

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Speaker 2: the National Guard follow me around so that there's always

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Speaker 2: a body of soldiers meeting me wherever I show up,

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Speaker 2: like the Emperor in Star Wars. Wars, Absolutely, but they're

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Speaker 2: going to be dressed like those red guys, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Red guys from Star Wars Garrison.

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Speaker 4: That's very familiar. Yeah, with the Imperial Guard excuse Robert,

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Speaker 4: excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, and retooling. We're selling all of the National

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Speaker 2: Guard's tanks and weapons in order to buy uh screen

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Speaker 2: accurate Imperial Guard uniforms from Star Wars.

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Speaker 4: You can get a pretty good one for about a

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Speaker 4: thousand bucks. I already see.

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Speaker 2: This is all we got to sell, is like three

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Speaker 2: or four m wraps, you know.

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Speaker 4: So that is where we're going to end our story

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Speaker 4: today with Jean's kind of military coup, and we will

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Speaker 4: we will learn what he did with his military coup

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Speaker 4: in the next episode. What a what a man? What

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Speaker 4: a man?

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Speaker 2: What a man?

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Speaker 3: What a man?

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Speaker 2: What a mighty not very good man? No, does that

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Speaker 2: song ring a w Garrison?

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Speaker 4: No, No, anyway, I'm on Twitter at Rooi still posted

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Speaker 4: for Void.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on Twitter too, but I don't really post

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Speaker 2: that much anymore.

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Speaker 4: No, you've been good.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten it. I took it off my phone. I've

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Speaker 2: been I've been breaking the habit, just like that Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Park song, even though Lincoln Park's been canceled.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm done.

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