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Speaker 1: Hecma Harrison, and Uie Scruggs.
Speaker 3: Here we are last Players Lounge of the week. We're
Speaker 3: gonna take the rest of the week off because it's
Speaker 3: a bye week. Cowboys do not have a game. They
Speaker 3: will take this week often then come back and they
Speaker 3: will play the Sunday night game out in Santa Claara,
Speaker 3: California and Levi Stadium against the defending NFC champion San
Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 4: Players Lounge are joined by It is.
Speaker 3: Off I forgot you go ahead.
Speaker 4: It is Everson Walls, it is Jesse Holly.
Speaker 3: I have new Scruggs meteorologist Nate Newtons outside, got on
Speaker 3: your Jason Garrett fight sweatshirt.
Speaker 4: I thought i'd do something different, Hey, like you said,
Speaker 4: no days off for this team.
Speaker 3: Jesse Holly's got on a sweatshirt. I got some long sleeps. Ever,
Speaker 3: since he's too cool for schools, I mean Everson played
Speaker 3: ball in Cleveland and New York and yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you know they they had no cool weather. Yeah, grandma
Speaker 3: went back. When he was playing, it.
Speaker 4: Was all hot, all like a family.
Speaker 5: He was on you all the time first and we
Speaker 5: had black helmets too, man.
Speaker 4: So that was yeah, first Cleveland game I ever covered.
Speaker 3: It was a December playoff game and ever since you
Speaker 3: know this very well bringing this to you.
Speaker 6: On this.
Speaker 3: First game, I don't understand the dog bown and they're
Speaker 3: playing the Patriots, and the Patriots are driving down the field.
Speaker 3: So back then, MEDI could just stand on the sideline,
Speaker 3: so I go to the I like to watch from
Speaker 3: the in zone. Man, I'm getting hit with batteries and
Speaker 3: bones that they're throwing out here. You run around, you know,
Speaker 3: she run around the throwing stup.
Speaker 5: What is this was a whiskey bottles forget that's wight, dude.
Speaker 5: I was there whiskey bottles, man, for it was pre
Speaker 5: pre game, but it was still. This is a different
Speaker 5: weak than when you came into young man, and I
Speaker 5: mailed the good weed coming from back there to man,
Speaker 5: good weed, the good weed.
Speaker 4: Yeah at the bad.
Speaker 7: Reggie, that old school babby all in the dog. I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: we got that's a home conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 4: They knew together yet.
Speaker 3: Alright, Now, the toughest place you've ever played the National
Speaker 3: Football League?
Speaker 2: They Newtons Where Philadelphia.
Speaker 7: Hmm, that's Philadelphia, the old raggedy carpet field, Philadelphia Vet,
Speaker 7: the old vat.
Speaker 5: And you were there for the Ice Bowl, Yeah, of
Speaker 5: course you were. Yeah, we got hit, man, Philly. I
Speaker 5: got hit with snowballs. Man, you're talking about those batteries
Speaker 5: in the snowball.
Speaker 2: They talking about cover the coach.
Speaker 5: Then they talking about geting behind the line because it
Speaker 5: seems as if no better were they threw it from.
Speaker 5: They couldn't reach the field. That's right, it's every throw
Speaker 5: they couldn't reach the field. So if you're on this
Speaker 5: side on the sideline and the field is here, you
Speaker 5: one step onto the field, and the referee kept saying
Speaker 5: get back, get back, like no, kiss my, We're not
Speaker 5: getting back nah nah. Because that's where the batteries and
Speaker 5: the and the two picks and all that and the
Speaker 5: frozen They were snowballs, but they were frozen.
Speaker 4: So that's a whole different story. Clean, sweet Philly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Philly, I used to do to tell because I'm
Speaker 3: from Jersey, so I used to have to tell like,
Speaker 3: there was no women allowed to go to the Philadelphia games.
Speaker 3: So you know, only the fellas can drive up and
Speaker 3: come to the Philadelphia game because it was just too much,
Speaker 3: too much of having my mom or aunt or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: And you know.
Speaker 8: If you weren't good with your hands, you wouldn't right.
Speaker 3: This was an added pressure you just didn't want to
Speaker 3: put on the people, your peoples that So, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is clean, sweet Philadelphia.
Speaker 5: From what I heard. The only woman that they were
Speaker 5: let in there was Randy White's mom. Yeah she was ready,
Speaker 5: no crap.
Speaker 4: She was protected by her her babies.
Speaker 3: So did you also tell the folks you got tickets
Speaker 3: to in Philadelphia not to wear any cowboy gear or
Speaker 3: did they wear.
Speaker 7: Their My my cousin wore his cowboy gear. But my
Speaker 7: cousin Nod had a web getting the with people. Even
Speaker 7: though he was ready to fight, he had a way
Speaker 7: of getting along with people like you.
Speaker 4: Like you to a good point, man, All my people
Speaker 4: wore my stuff. Just like I said.
Speaker 3: The dudes that came to the game, they knew what
Speaker 3: it was, and they was if it went down and
Speaker 3: went down, and I was I was cool for the
Speaker 3: gods y'all got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But for the ladies, I just I didn't want that.
Speaker 5: I'd say honorable mentioned uh, the Saints, New Orleans just
Speaker 5: because of the sound.
Speaker 4: But the sound, you don't hear anything, but it's fun.
Speaker 4: But the walls is fun. Though. It's fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're not danger But I mean in regards
Speaker 5: to to a tough environment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never.
Speaker 5: Heard voices start to sound like an engine. It's crazy,
Speaker 5: you know, that's just people and they scream and screaming
Speaker 5: after a while it gets them, I guess, bouncing off
Speaker 5: everything in there. And they don't sound like humans. It
Speaker 5: sounds like an engine or something type of mechanics, and
Speaker 5: it's turned up louder and louder and louder, and it's
Speaker 5: like normally when you drink, you begin to lose your voice,
Speaker 5: but these people don't, right, it's.
Speaker 4: Just the professional Yeah, no doubt no New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Like from where you and I are standing, I could
Speaker 3: not hear the words that come out of your mouth
Speaker 3: when they got when they got to going like it was,
Speaker 3: it was tough.
Speaker 4: That would be my honor.
Speaker 7: We just held held hands because even if our center
Speaker 7: tried to do the snap count, you just couldn't hear it.
Speaker 7: They were real that, you know, Seattle and Seattle had
Speaker 7: must be pumping music because Seattle was never that scary,
Speaker 7: not like not like New Orleans.
Speaker 2: That was the difference. That was a different sound.
Speaker 4: All right, cowboys, you're sitting here three and three.
Speaker 3: If you are the coaches, what is it that you
Speaker 3: can legitimately fix as you go take on the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers?
Speaker 4: Jesse jitimately.
Speaker 3: Assignment alignment football. You've heard the guys talk about it,
Speaker 3: you know, two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 3: Kind of in a very snarky way. It wasn't snarky,
Speaker 3: but in a very kind of humorous way.
Speaker 4: He could.
Speaker 3: He overused the word details, right, details detailed, detailed, detailed details.
Speaker 4: And that is the one thing.
Speaker 3: If we're not going to be extremely or supremely talented,
Speaker 3: if we're just not gonna just overwhelm you with force
Speaker 3: or overwhelm you with talent, then you gotta be. You
Speaker 3: gotta be Princeton offense, right like you gotta you know,
Speaker 3: Preston Office beat you because they're gonna cut past back
Speaker 3: door this, you know every single time college basketball, right
Speaker 3: like you gotta be you have to be that.
Speaker 4: So that's the one thing.
Speaker 3: If you're going to say we just don't have the
Speaker 3: Jimmies and Joe's, then damn it. We have to be
Speaker 3: almost perfect in the details of our alignment and assignment football.
Speaker 3: So if you're playing Army or Navy, they're running the
Speaker 3: wishbone assigned and the stick stick.
Speaker 2: With it line.
Speaker 7: You got the full back, that it linebackers, you got
Speaker 7: the quarterback corner.
Speaker 2: You got to come up and get the pitch.
Speaker 4: You gotta get the pitch man. And that has to be.
Speaker 3: It can't be sixty five percent of the time. It
Speaker 3: gotta be ninety nine point nine percent of the time.
Speaker 3: You have to and that that's the only thing that
Speaker 3: because where we stand right here, and these guys know this,
Speaker 3: when you leave training camp, your foundation is set, your
Speaker 3: identity is set. As the season progresses, you are to
Speaker 3: add layers to that as you go along. Each week
Speaker 3: gives you a different game plan, So there's things that
Speaker 3: you add in, there's layers to this, and then by
Speaker 3: the end of it all, you have a collection of
Speaker 3: things that you can go to and play a game.
Speaker 3: When you start off the way the Cowboys have started
Speaker 3: off this season, they have not got a chance, they
Speaker 3: wanted it. They came out of training camp, didn't have
Speaker 3: an identity. Secondly, when you play as bad as they
Speaker 3: have played, you spend so much time and you hear
Speaker 3: the coaches said, we gotta get back to the basics.
Speaker 3: We got to get back to the basics, Mike Zimmer
Speaker 3: said the other day, and as presser, they said, we
Speaker 3: took eight steps back. I thought we were going in
Speaker 3: the right direction after Philadelphia, excuse me, after Pittsburgh and
Speaker 3: the Giants, we took eight steps back. So if you
Speaker 3: took eight steps back, now, I gotta stay focusing on
Speaker 3: the basics of what we're doing. And you can't be
Speaker 3: basic against the forty nine ers. Can't be You won't
Speaker 3: be able to be basic against the Houston Texans. You
Speaker 3: won't be able to be basic against Washington or Atlanta,
Speaker 3: right these teams that you're facing. But you're so undisciplined
Speaker 3: and you're so out of sorts that you don't you
Speaker 3: have not been afforded the luxury to add the next
Speaker 3: level to whatever your offensive defense is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 5: Talk about the coach of trying to get him replaced
Speaker 5: or anything, but this is the kind of rhetoric that
Speaker 5: you hear from a Belichick type of team. They're gonna
Speaker 5: beat you with their fundamentals. Uh they I already know
Speaker 5: they don't have that much talent. We were losing a
Speaker 5: lot of talent. The talent we had, a lot of
Speaker 5: them are hurt. A lot of people are injured on
Speaker 5: this team, which really adds to the frustration of the
Speaker 5: defensive coach and all of that. But when it comes
Speaker 5: down to it, if you're a Bill Belichick type of team,
Speaker 5: they're going to still be as basic and fundamental as
Speaker 5: they need to be every time. Just like you talked
Speaker 5: about with their triple option, they're going to be a
Speaker 5: triple option type of team, not running the triple option,
Speaker 5: but have that mentality as you talked about, of being
Speaker 5: not talented but a fundamentally sound.
Speaker 4: We're not going to shoot ourselves in the foot, We're
Speaker 4: not jumping.
Speaker 5: Up, We're not gonna give the We're not giving them nothing.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to We're gonna take it because we're
Speaker 5: not gonna give it to you. I've always loved that
Speaker 5: type of ball.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I played for Belichick, so yeah, I understood that. I
Speaker 5: didn't realize what an offensive genius he was. But he
Speaker 5: studied offense because of all the defense going up against
Speaker 5: his defense. He studied the offenses that were successful against him.
Speaker 5: So he's kind of tried to cover all angels angles
Speaker 5: in that regard. But we're dealing with injuries as well
Speaker 5: as not having talent, no depth, and not not much talent.
Speaker 4: That's a problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you had talent Week three when you got
Speaker 3: boat raced by the Saints, you had talent. Those guys
Speaker 3: wasn't hurt then.
Speaker 4: And we also we also have youth as well. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you what he is. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 5: Offensively, our offensive line is not good. They just they're
Speaker 5: just not consistently good. They're not consistently good. We're still
Speaker 5: trying to look at our defensive line trying to get
Speaker 5: them consistently good. Like Nate was talking about yesterday, one
Speaker 5: of the players, he's got to play better. You can't
Speaker 5: have a couple of players went playing well and a
Speaker 5: couple of players not. That's not Father Middley sound.
Speaker 3: So Nate, what what legitimately can these coaches fix during
Speaker 3: this bye week as they get ready to face the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers. Jesse says, it's about being assigning alignment.
Speaker 2: What would what do you think that the bottom line?
Speaker 4: Listen to a show earlier.
Speaker 7: The bottom line is is what both of these gentlemen
Speaker 7: are saying. But your action third teamers to do it
Speaker 7: against first teamers. I'm talking about defensively, it's not going
Speaker 7: to work. You can line up. I'm gonna be on
Speaker 7: the outside of ever since and I'm gonna maintain this gap.
Speaker 7: But if Everson are all pro and I'm a third teamer,
Speaker 7: not gonna work. They're gonna have to get these guys
Speaker 7: back healthy. They're gonna have to go from ground one,
Speaker 7: like Jesse saying, and you can't never get.
Speaker 2: Away from it.
Speaker 7: When we play the seventeenth and final game, we have
Speaker 7: to be still talking assignment and alignment. When you go
Speaker 7: in to next year, going to training camp, you have
Speaker 7: to be talking the same thing because anything less, you're
Speaker 7: gonna get beat.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get beat to death. I just believe that.
Speaker 3: So the coaches, it's ever to say. We're not trying
Speaker 3: to fire anyone here, it's just what do you do.
Speaker 3: You're sitting here and this is what I said. You
Speaker 3: guys tell me if I'm crazy and I said this
Speaker 3: on Channel five Crazy. This team is good enough to
Speaker 3: beat five hundred teams and teams below five hundred, no doubt,
Speaker 3: but anyone good they can't because if you can't run
Speaker 3: the football and you can't stop the run, it's a
Speaker 3: recipe for a disaster in the league. We can play
Speaker 3: fantasy football all day long talking about it. I got
Speaker 3: this wide receiver, I got this quarterback, got this, but
Speaker 3: this game is still one in the trenches.
Speaker 4: That's what I said, Thoughts, that's facts.
Speaker 3: I think you're correct in that part. But I do
Speaker 3: think there are ways if you want to modernize what
Speaker 3: you do. Now, that's a tough that's a tough role
Speaker 3: to toe because sometimes you can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Speaker 3: And the guys that you have in those positions a
Speaker 3: head coach, lash OC and DC are guys. And I've
Speaker 3: always said this, when it comes to coaches, we praised
Speaker 3: them for when they do good. We don't shame them
Speaker 3: enough when they're stubbornly dumb. And a lot of coaches
Speaker 3: who are of Mike, Mike McCarthy, Michael from Pittsburgh and
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer their ages, they are stubborn in their ways,
Speaker 3: because that's how they came up in this game. That's
Speaker 3: what has made them successful in their at moments in
Speaker 3: time in this season. But in the words of Fat Joe,
Speaker 3: yesterday's price is not today's price. So what you did
Speaker 3: in the early two thousands and what you did in
Speaker 3: twenty ten, the game's changed. Those coordinators on the other side,
Speaker 3: both offensively and defensively. I say this jokingly. They got
Speaker 3: updated iPhone Sixteen's right. They wear skinny jeans that don't
Speaker 3: cover their ankles. They're into the analytics, and they're willing
Speaker 3: to do all these different things that will make the mismatches. Uh,
Speaker 3: they'll dictate the mitch matches that they want on any
Speaker 3: giving down.
Speaker 4: But Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola are still out here
Speaker 4: doing what they've been doing Andy Reid. Andy Reid has
Speaker 4: said it publicly.
Speaker 3: Andy Reid goes, if you are on my team, coach
Speaker 3: and or player, and you got some plays that you
Speaker 3: think we should.
Speaker 4: Run, bring them to me.
Speaker 7: Bring them to me, and furthermore, he will sit down
Speaker 7: with you. You think a player are coach, Andy.
Speaker 4: Reid is running Mary.
Speaker 3: They're doing Mary go round in the huddle, breaking the
Speaker 3: huddle from doing the mar from doing the merry, go
Speaker 3: round to run a play that ain't That ain't nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: That is an up to date of what they're doing today.
Speaker 3: They now they got some now non granted, they got
Speaker 3: Mulatto Jesus and they got Chris Joe's on defense.
Speaker 4: That helps.
Speaker 3: Talent always will help you. But those guys understand, hey,
Speaker 3: we we we gotta do little things a little different.
Speaker 3: And offensively, Andy Reid, he ain't doing what he did
Speaker 3: when he was playing at Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Coach and coach, and I understand this.
Speaker 7: When you crossed the twenty, the defensive coordinator is still
Speaker 7: gonna blitch you. It just may look a little different.
Speaker 2: It ain't changing.
Speaker 7: But most times you crossed most teams twenty, they gonna
Speaker 7: they're gonna give you an extra man.
Speaker 2: It's just where that extra man is coming from and
Speaker 2: who that extra man is.
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Speaker 3: champion with the Dallas Cowboys. Everson Walls, a super Bowl
Speaker 3: champion himself with the New York Giants, but we all
Speaker 3: know him as a Dallas Cowboy, came to leave making
Speaker 3: the interceptions, and we got Jesse Holly, mister fourth and long.
Speaker 4: I always loved Jesse.
Speaker 3: Because you're part of the two thousand and five national
Speaker 3: championship team in North Carolina. You gotta start doing me first,
Speaker 3: because when you do super Bowl Champion, super Bowl champion,
Speaker 3: anybody in c A championing you let me go first
Speaker 3: and get mine out in the way so that you
Speaker 3: can build up to these dudes.
Speaker 4: Will you come around to me? Third, I just feel
Speaker 4: like I literally sitting there like you were like, it's like.
Speaker 6: I just go.
Speaker 4: Look, I just go. I just said people like everything
Speaker 4: boys rises because it helps you know. He goes enthusiastic
Speaker 4: college Football Hall of Fame. I'll be like, h you'd
Speaker 4: like Jesse Holly. I'd be like, he's like Jesse Holly.
Speaker 4: I'm like, but don't even make you feel good when
Speaker 4: say and I'm new, he scrubbs like Waid out here
Speaker 4: and his enthusiasm for himself that goes down. But do
Speaker 4: me first. Next, you just do me first, Ben Everson,
Speaker 4: didn't they yourself?
Speaker 3: You won championship, won a championship, man by first championship.
Speaker 4: That's special. Special.
Speaker 3: In the parture, I'll be trying to hold over the
Speaker 3: little confidence I got left. But when you come around
Speaker 3: that table, super Bowl three times, super Bowl over here,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, Jesse Holly.
Speaker 4: Caught the one yard line. I was there.
Speaker 10: I was there.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, it's good to laugh at yourself time. I'll
Speaker 4: start with you here.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, your favorite position coach, the position coach.
Speaker 3: And I bring this up because so many times people
Speaker 3: look at coordinators and hate coaches, But it is the
Speaker 3: position coach that you spend most of your time with.
Speaker 3: The position coaches all started right there. They have the
Speaker 3: room together. You spend most of your time with that guy.
Speaker 3: So Jesse your favorite position coach, who is the guy
Speaker 3: that you felt like, hey, man, he knew how to
Speaker 3: how to do his game. I have a lot of
Speaker 3: love for Ray Sherman, who was my wide receiver coach.
Speaker 3: Love Coach Sheran, love love, love, love love. Coach Sherm
Speaker 3: was a holid, dude man, good coach. But for me,
Speaker 3: it was Jody Camillis who was the special teams coordinator,
Speaker 3: And I learned so much about football, about the business
Speaker 3: of football, about having a sponsor in football, and Jody
Speaker 3: took care of me like Jody he was and I've
Speaker 3: always been a player. That give it to me real.
Speaker 3: Don't don't give me the Jason Garrett. I wish I
Speaker 3: had fifty three of you and the one that you
Speaker 3: had to cut. You know what I'm saying, don't give
Speaker 3: me that.
Speaker 4: Don't give me, don't give me that.
Speaker 3: Don't give me that. Give give me Hey, you fed up,
Speaker 3: here's why? Or hey keep doing.
Speaker 4: And Jody camillis man. He was he's still to this
Speaker 4: day special dude.
Speaker 3: Man talk to him often. He was one that he
Speaker 3: would stand on the table for me. He would get
Speaker 3: those meeting rooms. I remember, uh, we were playing the
Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals in a z and I had a couple
Speaker 3: of catches in that game and Jody's walking up the
Speaker 3: sideline and he's yelling.
Speaker 4: And this is the guy that you wanted to cut.
Speaker 4: And all he does is show up when you need him.
Speaker 3: Like he's yelling that on the sideline about me, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the dude when you When he says, Hey, Jess,
Speaker 3: I need you to go down here and break this wedge,
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, point him out. Hey, Jess on
Speaker 3: kickoff return their best player. He's six five, two seventy.
Speaker 4: I got you. I don't know how we're gonna do it,
Speaker 4: but I got you. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 4: got you.
Speaker 3: And I'm like we're gonna have to quick shot him
Speaker 3: to come around him. But I got you because I
Speaker 3: knew that he had my back. I knew that he
Speaker 3: was always honest with me and upfront with me and man,
Speaker 3: he gave me the game for real, for real, and
Speaker 3: so for him to him, I'll always be indebted to
Speaker 3: Jody Camillis.
Speaker 4: Ever, wall Oh, mine is pretty simple.
Speaker 5: Even though he's was a head coach and became a
Speaker 5: head coach and defensive coordinated for the Giants, Belichick, it's
Speaker 5: just that culling.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: He was a guy that, like you said, I learned
Speaker 5: a lot from him. I learned about his professionalism. I
Speaker 5: mean I knew about it, but to see a coach
Speaker 5: that was as consistent as he was, and like you said, he's.
Speaker 4: Going to give it to you straight. You know.
Speaker 5: I remember once we played the Detroit Lions and I played.
Speaker 5: I was blessed enough to play with the heck of
Speaker 5: a defense in New York. And there are times when
Speaker 5: he had me back at safety on third downs because
Speaker 5: I can take advantage of my plate making the building.
Speaker 5: But the Lions kept running Barry Sanders, and Barry was scared.
Speaker 4: You can see it. He was afraid.
Speaker 5: I mean, the nineteen ninety you should be afraid of
Speaker 5: that team. That defense was something. Take me out of
Speaker 5: that defense, that front seven, and so he kept trying
Speaker 5: to run him in there.
Speaker 4: He wasn't doing anything. After a while, I'm just back
Speaker 4: there looking. It's nothing to do. I'm just back there looking.
Speaker 4: There's nothing.
Speaker 5: They didn't they didn't have a game plan. They weren't
Speaker 5: trying to throw the wide receivers because I was waiting
Speaker 5: to get something. There was nothing back there. He called
Speaker 5: me in on Monday and said, Everson, the man said,
Speaker 5: he's talking about plusself.
Speaker 4: The man said, you need to do better, like do
Speaker 4: what you know? He said, do better? I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: and I know what he means. You got your body
Speaker 4: language is bad. But you back there. Damn, they're chilling
Speaker 4: a couple of places.
Speaker 5: I didn't even have to move, and they're like, man,
Speaker 5: you can't do that. Man, you know, but I had
Speaker 5: never been on the defense like that before.
Speaker 4: And so he was right.
Speaker 5: And I kept trying to all I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear it. And that's what I liked about him. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be loyal to this man. That's my boss.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to lose my job because of you. Right,
Speaker 4: So you do what the man told me to tell
Speaker 4: you to do, and we are done. I like that, bro.
Speaker 4: That's what I like about New York's East Coast brothers.
Speaker 5: All this polite uh crap that's going on, you know, likeness,
Speaker 5: but really on the inside, they don't like it.
Speaker 4: Think about New Yorkers, the East Coast people. They don't
Speaker 4: like it. They gonna tell you that, but then they
Speaker 4: gonna work with you though. They gonna still work with
Speaker 4: you if they have to. That's why I'm always at
Speaker 4: the East Coast. That's where we get along. So that's
Speaker 4: why we get along. I don't like BS. We got
Speaker 4: BS enough. I wasn't drafted. You wasn't drafted. You know
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Man, Even if everybody get tired of just being somebody
Speaker 5: BS and you all the time, happens a lot. I
Speaker 5: don't mean this building I'm talking about in the South alone.
Speaker 5: Now you go East Coast, man, they're gonna.
Speaker 4: Hey, man, what you want? Man, I tell you what
Speaker 4: I want. Oh okay, cool, Yeah, I'll help you out.
Speaker 4: That's just it. That's what I like. That's what I like.
Speaker 4: I love it now. Belichick is my guy.
Speaker 5: Also, Nick Saban wasn't bad either as a defense as
Speaker 5: a position coach. I'm talking about position coaches at that time.
Speaker 5: Belichick was a defensive coordinator, but he was also my
Speaker 5: position coach. The same with Nick Saban when I went
Speaker 5: to Cleveland. He was my defensive coordinator, but he was
Speaker 5: also my positionosician coach. And those two guys were did
Speaker 5: you see.
Speaker 4: Being what he became? I did? You did? Yeah? Yeah
Speaker 4: I did? Because of his intensity.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 5: He would just stand up there tell people all the time.
Speaker 5: He respected the veterans, he really did. He was trying
Speaker 5: to learn a lot from us. I appreciated that much
Speaker 5: from him. But he would just stand there all the time.
Speaker 5: And we asked you a question and he just robbed
Speaker 5: it back and forth, looking at you. He's already thinking
Speaker 5: about something else. He's not even really looking at you.
Speaker 5: He's he's in his brain, just kind of his move. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: next move.
Speaker 4: Just intense.
Speaker 5: He would walk back and forth as he would stand
Speaker 5: up there at the thing, like, man, this dude here
Speaker 5: is intense.
Speaker 4: So I like that about it.
Speaker 3: A lot of great coaches on that staff when I
Speaker 3: when I worked up there, you didn't know.
Speaker 4: So it was saving. It was a defensive coordinator and
Speaker 4: he had gotten the job in Michigan State when I
Speaker 4: got up there. So he finished it out, finished it.
Speaker 3: Out, and went up there. Kirk Farns coached old line.
Speaker 3: Uh still Iowa bats was it.
Speaker 4: Baits the defensive line coach? I can't remember remember Pat.
Speaker 4: He ended up going to Atlanta, having a good career.
Speaker 3: Pat Hill coach the tight ends, went out to Fresno State,
Speaker 3: became legendary out there at Fresno State. Ozzie Knewson was
Speaker 3: in personnel under Mike Lombardi and obviously we know he
Speaker 3: went out there and won two Super Bowls. Scott Pioli
Speaker 3: was an advanced Scott who was dating the lady that
Speaker 3: I knew at my TV station.
Speaker 4: She fed him.
Speaker 3: Man, Jeanie used to turn the blinds on us because
Speaker 3: he worked in PR.
Speaker 4: So we couldn't see on the field. He was there,
Speaker 4: Schwartz was there.
Speaker 3: It's some assistant dude, Jim, Yeah, yeah, man, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of It was a lot of just a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, good dudes on that Cleveland and.
Speaker 7: Look atland now. You let twenty five guys go and
Speaker 7: look at you now, come on.
Speaker 4: Man, they got Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: And Mariy got like, I'm gone.
Speaker 4: That brother. Keep getting colder anyway, colder and colder. You're
Speaker 4: gonna be in Canada like me. Man.
Speaker 3: I had a job interview Buffalo one time. Man, it
Speaker 3: was so cold. I called my I wouldn't have no
Speaker 3: job that time. I called him, said, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: want this job.
Speaker 5: That was one of my free agent choices coming out
Speaker 5: of ground that I could have gone Cowboys Saints of Buffalo.
Speaker 5: Buffalo is the first thing I crossed out, like, I
Speaker 5: don't want to work that bad. I was getting on
Speaker 5: the foot. I was in Austin, hang out here.
Speaker 4: A little longer, and then I got the job in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: I went to Cleveland. Buffalo was so bad with the
Speaker 4: Cleveland this is, man, this is the same bad got
Speaker 4: the flats down little. That's how bad was. That's how
Speaker 4: bad Buffalo was. Now I'm in the newsroom meeting Nate.
Speaker 3: I'm in the newsroom meeting and and the guy says
Speaker 3: the news Hey, I know some of you are here
Speaker 3: taking guns on your side.
Speaker 4: You can't bring your personal gun work, and you don't
Speaker 4: know what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get on the plane tomorrow and I'm
Speaker 3: never coming back, never coming back. Then that night they
Speaker 3: made me be a part of the studio audience for
Speaker 3: the Steve Tasker Show. I fell asleep Steven in Buffalo man.
Speaker 3: All right, nickton give me your position.
Speaker 2: Coach man. I had two of them.
Speaker 7: That was great man, offensive lineman Tony Wise. Of course,
Speaker 7: Tony Wise was a ball of energy, and uh we
Speaker 7: tried to switch him over our blocking schemes and he
Speaker 7: looked at us. He said, fellas, love you to death work,
Speaker 7: which anyway I can. But he went to cussing about
Speaker 7: his style, the way he wanted things done, and he said,
Speaker 7: you know what, never threatening you, guys, but if you
Speaker 7: feel you can't do this, I'll get Jimmy to get
Speaker 7: you out of here. But we started deuced blocking like
Speaker 7: because once again a guy that was straightforward. I love
Speaker 7: you to death, right forward. Same way with Hudson Hawk. Nick,
Speaker 7: you're gonna drop, step, I don't you gonna drop. Before
Speaker 7: it was over, I was in shint, drop stepping and
Speaker 7: running up. I like guys straightforward guys.
Speaker 2: You have the talent to do it, do it. And
Speaker 2: I love guys like that to straight forward, tell you
Speaker 2: what it is and you have the talent to do it,
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: And they appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then they gonna look out for you because you're
Speaker 5: giving it all you have to them. That's what I
Speaker 5: like about they They're like, okay, I can depend on
Speaker 5: this guy. They there's something they have trust from your
Speaker 5: you know, between the coaching player. That's amazing. It's like
Speaker 5: it's a relationship now. I say Jeans Starters was tough
Speaker 5: when when he uh was coaching in Dallas. UH he
Speaker 5: was all about conditioning, which we needed. He was like, man,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna run you all to death, and he was.
Speaker 5: He did not lie, and I was accustomer that because
Speaker 5: of grammar, and that's that's all we did.
Speaker 4: So I came in in shape. I wasn't worried about that.
Speaker 5: But as far as technique and as far as being
Speaker 5: real with you, Belichick wasn't as threatened by his higher
Speaker 5: ups as Jane was by his high ups. And that's
Speaker 5: not Jeane's fault. Jane was just a victim of the system.
Speaker 5: Ernie Stout, victim of the system. Those guys. I never
Speaker 5: bring up some old ass name, But that was Tom's system.
Speaker 5: That was Tom system. Everything that we did was Tom system.
Speaker 5: Flex defense, flex defense.
Speaker 2: And it won no flex in how he did things.
Speaker 4: It was no flex. No.
Speaker 3: But to your point where Bill Belichick like he was
Speaker 3: very straightforward when I wasn't signed with the with the Patriots.
Speaker 3: He brought me in his office and he said, listen,
Speaker 3: can you do X, Y and Z. He's like, I'm
Speaker 3: not asking to do nothing else. Can you do these
Speaker 3: three things? Because if you can, you could be a
Speaker 3: part of this team. If you cannot, don't worry. I'll
Speaker 3: find one who can't.
Speaker 8: It's literally what he said.
Speaker 4: He said, don't worry. He's looked at me like, you can't.
Speaker 4: Don't worry. I'm just gonna find somebody else who can.
Speaker 4: And right, like, no, for real, for real, that's real.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about how he was at practice like
Speaker 3: he was so Bill Belichick used to do things where
Speaker 3: I love the way that he he made competition. He
Speaker 3: would have a coach come tell me before practice, a, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's really coming down between you and this
Speaker 3: other guy, so you know, might want to have a
Speaker 3: good practice today. So now, but he had the dB
Speaker 3: coach say the same thing to his guys. So now
Speaker 3: we already have this natural wide receiver the dB deal.
Speaker 4: But now I'm in competition with the guy he just
Speaker 4: told me about.
Speaker 3: But then you would get on the practice field and
Speaker 3: he would do things like practice will start things will
Speaker 3: be going, he'll blow the whistle. He didn't like coaches
Speaker 3: on the field because he said you couldn't do it
Speaker 3: in the game. Get off the field. But then he'll go,
Speaker 3: Tom Brady out with the ankle injury, give me the
Speaker 3: number three quarterback. And now you're a number three quarterback
Speaker 3: and you have to go in there and finish out
Speaker 3: the rest of the period as the number one guy.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, stop. He'll come up to you.
Speaker 4: He goes, hey, we're.
Speaker 3: Playing the jutch this week. Tell me about the outside linebacker.
Speaker 3: And you're like, uh, if you don't know, He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can't trust you because you don't know the point
Speaker 3: that you're going up against. It's Wednesday, and you can't
Speaker 3: tell me about the outside linebacker for the New York
Speaker 3: that's that we're about to play cool.
Speaker 4: And give you on the bench.
Speaker 5: Now, that's head coach Belichick right as head coach Belichick,
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator Belichick, he had his more of a simple
Speaker 5: plan because he's a defensive coordinator. He's not a head coach,
Speaker 5: so he was he would have that on lock. He
Speaker 5: had defensive coordinatorship on lock. He had nobody else talked
Speaker 5: to nobody else to go to. Pars Sales let him
Speaker 5: run his defense the way he ran because paus Sales
Speaker 5: is all about the running game. Offensive running game. That's
Speaker 5: what paus Sales does. And he let Belichick do what
Speaker 5: Belichick need to do. And in fact, by the fact,
Speaker 5: when when I first met both of them, I called
Speaker 5: Bill Parcelles, I mean, I want to come up here
Speaker 5: and play.
Speaker 4: I can I can help you out win. He got
Speaker 4: that front seven. I can pick off some balls, man,
Speaker 4: perfect match. And so we ended up doing that.
Speaker 5: And when it came down to it, Belichick understood that
Speaker 5: I was good for that team right away.
Speaker 4: Par Sales didn't think I was good for the team.
Speaker 4: Belichick came in.
Speaker 5: He knew I was good for that defense. Parceales, I'm
Speaker 5: making predictions like a Muhammad Ali part. Sales never impressed
Speaker 5: once again. East Coast type the butler you know in
Speaker 5: New Jersey. I whatever, kid, and he's like, meet my
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, Belichick, come on, and Bill Belichick was smiling
Speaker 5: from ear to ear. He was happy to see me
Speaker 5: because he does this. He'll take some dude. Nobody want
Speaker 5: to deal with no more myself, Rodney Harrison, Guys, like that.
Speaker 5: Put him in there and put them in there to
Speaker 5: make plays not just for yourself but for the team.
Speaker 5: Because those plays you make for yourself, those plays are
Speaker 5: gonna be good.
Speaker 2: For my defense every.
Speaker 7: Fellas, That's why I would never ever Me and Jess
Speaker 7: are gonna bump heads. I hope we keep doing shows forever.
Speaker 7: Every run known to man Coach par Sales knew and
Speaker 7: he didn't care how bad it got. He was gonna
Speaker 7: run because he was not gonna let you crush his
Speaker 7: offensive mind. Yo, Mike McCarthy, every run known, I'm telling
Speaker 7: because you are crushing your offensive line and in the
Speaker 7: long run, that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna pay for it.
Speaker 4: That's right. You've always said that, you always, You've said
Speaker 4: that more than once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got our break coming up, last one after
Speaker 3: six games. Who are the Pro Bowl players potentially on
Speaker 3: this roster?
Speaker 2: What Aiden Hutchison was into this?
Speaker 4: This roster? Do it next with Jesse, Holly Everson, Walt
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Speaker 4: You got through that.
Speaker 3: We transitioned from from the Cowboys are going back to call.
Speaker 2: He gave a new meaning to stand by.
Speaker 3: I gotta pay premium to see that episode. You gotta
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Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 4: Yes, sir? All right?
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Speaker 3: go Way. I'm going to start with you, Jesse, for
Speaker 3: this last question of the show. As we are Final
Speaker 3: Players Podcast of the Week. As it stands after six games,
Speaker 3: who are the Pro Bowl players on this team?
Speaker 4: In your opinion? You got to move him back. You
Speaker 4: got to move him back.
Speaker 3: If you move Tyler Smith back to left guard, he
Speaker 3: is a dominant Pro Bowl player. If you leave him
Speaker 3: out there at tackle, he's better than Tyler Geiton. But
Speaker 3: you still have a hole because he's only okay average,
Speaker 3: a little bit above average at tackle. He's first team
Speaker 3: All Pro at guard. So if you if I'm saying that,
Speaker 3: if you move him back to his position at left guard,
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith is a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you got one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good number. That's
Speaker 4: all I got.
Speaker 5: If I was gonna pick anyone, uh, Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl. No, No, you can go with nobody.
Speaker 4: Then you got nobody. It is what it is. I said,
Speaker 4: that's nobody. Okay, what you got?
Speaker 2: You know what, man, I you know I've been a
Speaker 2: Cowboy fans.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, tight end Ferguson. I'll give I'll get a
Speaker 4: fergus On.
Speaker 2: They haven't thrown you ball enough.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's that caliber player, but they haven't thrown the
Speaker 7: balling up. And I feel so bad. For the first
Speaker 7: time in my life, I could, I could say the
Speaker 7: Cowboys don't have anybody that deserves even consideration.
Speaker 4: That that hurts at this point.
Speaker 6: No one.
Speaker 2: I'm serious. I'm telling you.
Speaker 7: Even our left guard has had some plays where I
Speaker 7: was like, Wow, this thing is leaking.
Speaker 4: Over on to him. Nobody saying nothing about it.
Speaker 7: I'm serious, go back. It's the thing that is bothering.
Speaker 7: I remember when our team was going through that one
Speaker 7: in fifteen three and thirteen, we had players we thought
Speaker 7: were Pro Bowler are All Pro players.
Speaker 2: And then when at the end of the year when
Speaker 2: all the people that came.
Speaker 4: Out that were the Pro Bowlers and All Pro be like,
Speaker 4: yeah he is.
Speaker 2: He was that guy.
Speaker 7: See, because you gotta understand where we love Tyler Smith.
Speaker 7: It's true guards that just left out of here, that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Get votes ahead of him, both.
Speaker 7: Tacked guards for the Lions are gonna get consideration if
Speaker 7: things keep going and no injuries and we keep going
Speaker 7: how we going, because what hurts us it's the same
Speaker 7: things that help us. When we are rolling, we get
Speaker 7: votes from everywhere. But when things go bad for the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: we are hated. And when people get a chance to
Speaker 7: take some of our better players and not position them,
Speaker 7: I promise you this man should be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Why is he not?
Speaker 4: All? Right? Guys, missed one guy you're talking to?
Speaker 2: Kicker?
Speaker 13: Yeah, Kicker, the m v P of the team. Yeah,
Speaker 13: the Mark Moseley the other team, right, he is one hundred.
Speaker 4: Good job the first team All Pro. That's good job.
Speaker 4: That's the first team All Pro. Yeah, And that tells
Speaker 4: you the state of this football team. That tells you
Speaker 4: the state of this football team.
Speaker 3: That the one guy that we could without a shadow
Speaker 3: of a doubt say this is a pro bowler is
Speaker 3: the guy most of us, not you, but the players
Speaker 3: we looked at and go kicker, we don't even respect
Speaker 3: the like that we like, my head look at because
Speaker 3: asked players like y'all just over there.
Speaker 4: But you appreciate those threes and gives. I should appreciate him.
Speaker 7: Guys on the weekends loved the fantasy They loved him
Speaker 7: as a fantasy guy.
Speaker 2: But I told I got into it with a guy.
Speaker 7: I said, if we are kicking sixty yards, we are losing.
Speaker 7: That's right, I said, you would never I told the
Speaker 7: guy who does the show here, I said, you would
Speaker 7: never understand that. As a player, you would get excited
Speaker 7: about fantasy football, but you would never understand I don't
Speaker 7: like sixty yard field goals. I'm losing. When I'm kicking
Speaker 7: sixty yard field.
Speaker 5: You're normally not in scoring position. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 5: saved that you get you're trying to get saved. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: so I that's a good one, but that hurts you.
Speaker 5: You're worth your worth your weight and goals on that one.
Speaker 5: But held that one like that was alright, the big joker.
Speaker 2: He was holding.
Speaker 4: He was holding it too.
Speaker 2: Bob Lily was the only guy.
Speaker 4: We at least had. Bob Lily. Yeah, you picked the
Speaker 4: one white guy. You picked the white guy soccer player.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, finance guy, the finance guys.
Speaker 4: Before we leave, if you don't mind, knew it?
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 5: I got a call from Roy Green yesterday, former Saint
Speaker 5: Louis card On wide receiver, my nemesis.
Speaker 2: I love you, Rod for two reasons.
Speaker 3: Stayed in the old days of Bush team to catching
Speaker 3: pass from Jim Harten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, on my ass and uh Neil Lomax. And yeah,
Speaker 5: it got really bad when Neil came because he could
Speaker 5: throw it further. But uh, I look around here a
Speaker 5: little bit every once in a while. I try not
Speaker 5: to because my left ankle pretty much got fractured one
Speaker 5: play nineteen eighty five Thanksgiving. I think we were playing
Speaker 5: the Saint Louis Cardinals. This is when Roy and I
Speaker 5: told him this. He kicked my ass all the time,
Speaker 5: but in eighty five the injury start to build up
Speaker 5: on him, and that gave me a chance to catch
Speaker 5: up and do decent this particular play they went. He
Speaker 5: went deep on me for one on a few times
Speaker 5: that I was, you know, had to cover. Lomax threw
Speaker 5: the ball up, easy ball. He's hanging up there for me.
Speaker 5: All I got to do is go up and catch it.
Speaker 4: I'm going up for it.
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, I see this hand come across,
Speaker 5: not just knock the hell out of me. Landed on
Speaker 5: my back and we both landed on that ankle. I'm
Speaker 5: not coming out the game. I didn't come out the game.
Speaker 5: But that's what the wide receiver it does. I asked him,
Speaker 5: I said, why did you do that? He said, I'm
Speaker 5: taking up for my quarterback. I'm playing up. I'm just
Speaker 5: telling you. I'm just telling you that. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 5: I said, I see what you do. I'm telling you
Speaker 5: what he said. Because it was so timely, it was
Speaker 5: just so he called me. I didn't call him.
Speaker 4: It was so timed. I said, I said, let me
Speaker 4: ask you something. What did you think?
Speaker 5: He said, Man, you got to take up for your
Speaker 5: quarterback at all times. At all times, that's what he said.
Speaker 5: You got to take up for your quarterback.
Speaker 4: Did y'all? Did you hang out with Neil Lomax. No,
Speaker 4: I didn't hang out with Neil Lomax.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: He was like, I think he's like five years older
Speaker 4: than Neil Lomack. She got it. He said, I always
Speaker 4: take up for my quarterback.
Speaker 3: Because we now need to go listen to the end
Speaker 3: of yesterday's Players Lounge and did will tie into exactly
Speaker 3: what Everson Walls is saying.
Speaker 4: We all know it. We're just gonna let it marinate
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 3: And if you really really want to understand what Roy
Speaker 3: Green was saying about Neil Lomax to protect your quarterback,
Speaker 3: listen to the show yesterday.
Speaker 2: Roykan got my boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah that.
Speaker 2: Getting off the tea.
Speaker 4: Scrugs York. Everyone will talk one Monday.
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