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This is Emily Wilkins 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: here with my co host Jack Fitzpatrick. We have been 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: filling in for Joe Matthew all week. It is Friday. 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: You have made it to the end of the week 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: and we have made it to our market report with 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett well joining us. Now we've got Congressman Jim 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Jordan's a Republican from Ohio and Congressman thank you so 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Great to have you. Well, 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I just want to get started off. You are currently 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee. It doesn't 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: mean a ton because Republicans aren't in charge right now, 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: but if things go well for y'all in November, you 30 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: are poised to be chair next year. And you've spoken 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: a bit about a lot of things that Republicans want 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 1: to investigate. I've seen immigration, I've heard COVID origins, Hunter Biden, 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Justice Department parents. You only have two years. What is 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: your number one priority for investigation? Well, we I mean, 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: we gotta win for so you know, we never want 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: to get the cart before the horse. Here. Uh, my 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: backgrounds in sports and I learned you know, it's always 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: good to be confident. I mean to the American people 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: talk about just how wrong the Democrats have been and win. 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: But if we win, I think number one's got to 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: be immigration, where the Committee of Primary Jurisdiction on immigration 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: policy and we now have just a complete chaotic situation 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: on the borders, So that'll be front and center. Will 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: we'll look to do investigations on why the mynarchists uh 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: DHS and the Biden administration has been so so bad. 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: It's gotta be intentional, it's got to be delivered, So 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: I think that'll be front and center. Then, of course 48 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: what's happened at the Justice Department, the concern for people's 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: privacy and fundamental liberties with this pegas UH, the software 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: that PEGAS is software they've bought, the story that was 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: this week about how they're scraping people's social media uh 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: and and looking at what, you know, folks all over 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: the country, what they're doing. So the privacy concerns, First 54 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Amendment liberties will be front and center. And that fits 55 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: right in with the the you know, the crazy stuff 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: that went on with UH that's going on as we speak, 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: targeting parents as domestic terrorists. So we'll look at all 58 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: those issues. UH. If in fact we're the people this 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: great country, give us the majority I have to say, 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly immigration is an important topic. I'm kind 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: of surprised though that you didn't mention Hunter Biden. I 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: think I've heard from a lot of Republicans who want 63 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: to see more investigation on on that. Is that also 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: something Republicans are going to look into. We've got to 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: look at that issue. We've gotta look at the fact 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: that I think Dr Poppsy misled the country. I think 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: he knew from the get go, this was likely from 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the lab. And you know, we've had we've had physicians 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: testify and say that if they have known that and 70 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and and and that that had been information they had 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: right at the get go, that could have actually potentially 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: changed how we dealt with this and potentially saved lives. 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: So I think those are both investigations we have to, 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: uh have to get into the Hunter Biden situation. I 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: think is going to be um a conference wide decision 76 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: on how we go about that with you know, then 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: you know Leader McCarthy then then speak hopefully then Speaker McCarthy. 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, those have to be examined as well. 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the Hunter Biden story, I mean, 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: eighteen months ago this was Russian disinformation, and and now 81 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: we know it's true, and we know it's to not 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: because Jim Jordan, not because Donald Trump, not because the 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Republicans said so I'm like, because the Justice Departments looking 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: into it at this point. Yeah. Yeah. But but but also 85 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: the Washington posted two stories within within uh to eight 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: page stories within four minutes of each other, a week 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: ago Wednesday one and eleven one and eleven o four 88 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: am long detailed stories about this situation. So, um, that's 89 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: something we also need to look at, is why the 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: the the big tech, big media and Democrats colluded And 91 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: maybe most importantly we sent a letter on this the 92 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: other day, why fifty one former Intel officials signed on 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: to a letter that said this has all the horror 94 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: hallmarks of Russian disinformation when in fact we all knew 95 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: at the time that that that the laptop was real, 96 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: the eyewitness was real, the emails, the documents were The 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: only thing fake was the news. So, Congressman, in terms 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: of current investigations, I've got to ask, you know, the 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: members of the January sixth Committee have honed in lately 100 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: on this seven and a half hour gap in the 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: White House's official phone records on January seventeen am to 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: six fifty four pm. I'm curious, did you talk to 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: the president at all during that time? I talked to 104 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: the president that day. I've been clear about that. I 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: talked to the President all the time. I don't recall 106 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: how many times I talked him when those times were, 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: but I talked to the President all the time, just 108 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: like just like you talk to people you know, friends, 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: you have lets, just like you talked to him all 110 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: the time. But our response to everything about this, we 111 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: got a letter. You're you're happy to I'm sure you've 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: got a copy of the letter we sent back to 113 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: the January six committee. I'm happy. If you don't have one, 114 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm happy to get one to you that you can. 115 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: You can read the whole thing on the air, as 116 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. So we spell out in there 117 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: are concerns about this entire political committee. First time in 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the history the Congress, the minority leader was not allowed 119 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: to place on the Select Committee. The endo agitals he 120 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: or she is selected the first time in the history 121 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: of our country. That was loud bit and that that 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: just tells you how political this thing is. With one 123 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: with one goal that to keep President Trump off the 124 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: ballot successful and I hear you on your complaints about 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: how that committee has gone, or do you have concerns 126 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: about the missing White House logs and would you mind 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: telling us anything about what you spoke about. I saw 128 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: the story just like I saw the story just like 129 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: you did. That this was the story. I can't remember 130 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: who who read it ran it, but that this was 131 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: a normal practice. There's there's there's not laws of the 132 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: president's calls in the middle of the day because he's 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: operating from from the Oval Office. So but but of 134 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: course the press made it out to be like, oh, 135 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: this is a missing calls, just like the missing section 136 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: of Nixon's tapes, the Watergate tapes, when in fact that 137 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: looks like it wasn't even close to the to the facts. 138 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: This is just a kind of the normal process of 139 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: the way the White House logs were keecked depending on 140 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: where the president is in the White House and what calls. 141 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: You know, if he's in the residence versus that people 142 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: was if I remember the story versus in the Oval office, 143 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: and did you speak with him during that that time period. 144 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: I know that the records have shown that you spoke 145 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: with Trump at am that morning, but did you also 146 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: speak with him later in the day during that seven 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: hour gap. I did speak to him. Again, I don't 148 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: recall the exact times, but I, like I said, I 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: don't recall I spoke to the president this week. He's 150 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: called me a couple of times this week. I speak 151 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: to the President all the time. So again I don't 152 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: call the exact times, and I typically don't get into 153 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: the details of conversations I have with the president ed States. 154 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: So you can't can't get in an into any details 155 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: that you've willing to share. Any details we discussed with him. Yeah, 156 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: you got you you have you got you got our letter. 157 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: It's a long letter. We went through all kinds of 158 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: information at letter. One of the things we pointed out 159 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: was that the January six Committee had taken had altered 160 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: evidence about a text message I had porter, had altered 161 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: evidence and presented it to the American people as if 162 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: it were something else, and and and so much so 163 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: they had to apologize. They said that the January six 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: Committee is we we apologize for and regret who got 165 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: the the the air that that his government speak for. Oh, 166 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: we got caught line, which is exactly what they were doing. 167 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: So you've got a committee completely political, won't let Republicans 168 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: on that the minority leaders selected it select committee. We 169 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: won't let him on, first time in American history, and 170 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: then also alters evidence and lies about it. I think 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: I think the country understands what this committee is really about, 172 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: Congressman on some broader political issues. I gotta follow up. 173 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: It sounded like you said, hopefully Kevin McCarthy himself becomes speaker. Uh. 174 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: What changed from the time when Conservatives were pushing against 175 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy for speaker and in favor of Paul Ryan. 176 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like you've have you changed your mind? 177 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Has he changed? Why are you so positive about Kevin 178 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy for speaking? Kevin has done that. Kevin has done 179 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: a great job of keeping the conference united. And I 180 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: got I go back to the first big test was 181 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: the first impeachment. Conventional wisdom was prior to that uh impeachment, 182 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: that that every single Democrat was going to vote to 183 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: impeach President Trump and some Republicans would would join him, 184 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: And actually it turned out to be just the opposite. 185 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Every single Republican in the House voted against impeachment, and 186 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: Democrats joined us and one even switched parties. So that 187 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: is a testimony of how you keep the team together 188 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: focused on the facts and the truth. I've been very 189 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: encouraged by by the way Kevin has been able to 190 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: do that, UM, and I think he's done that so 191 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: much better frankly than UH, than than than the two 192 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: previous Republican leaders. It's a little different in the minority, understand, 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: but UM, he's done I think a darn good job. 194 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: And then, of course some of the other things you 195 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: have to do, and when you're leader of the conference, 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: UH is on the political side, he's been very good 197 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: at as well. I also wanted to ask Congressman, you're 198 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: one of the founding members of the House Freedom Caucus, 199 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: and in the past, with other Republican speakers, that caucus 200 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: was known for really defining party leadership, kind of being 201 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: the rebels. Do you see the Freedom Caucus taking on 202 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: a similar role next year if we do have a 203 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: speaker Kevin McCarthy. The the you know, the vision and 204 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: the mission of the Freedom Caucus is real playing, real simple. 205 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: It is to to do what the voters elected us 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: to do, to fight for the countless number of Americans, 207 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: the countless number of American families who feel like Washington's 208 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: forgotten them. Our job is to remember them, fight for him, 209 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: and do what we said we would do. That's sure, 210 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: but but that's but that's every member of Congress right. 211 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Every member is elected. Every member's job is to represent 212 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: where they come from. The Freedom Caucus really did stand 213 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: out that, you know, when under Speaker Banter and Speaker 214 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan, should we expect something similar because because because 215 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: at that time, we weren't doing what we said we 216 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: were going to do. I mean we we we we 217 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: come in and in and take the majority in two 218 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: thousand tak coming in two thousand and eleven, we're supposed 219 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: to reduce spending, and we really didn't do that, we 220 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: we Uh, And then of course we come in with 221 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan. We're supposed to repeal Obamacare. We didn't get 222 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: that done. Some people voted against the very in essence, 223 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the very same bill they'd voted for just a few 224 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: a few months before that. So the that that is, uh, 225 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: that's the problem. Our job is to make sure we 226 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: do what we told the voters we were going to do. 227 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: So did the Freedom Caucus essentially already win by conquering 228 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: the House Republican Conference, and you will come in with 229 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: leadership more in your favor. Is that basically what that 230 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: caucus has encompassed the conference to a greater degree. Well, 231 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: I mean I just feel like our under under the 232 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: leadership of President Trump, um, and I think actually with 233 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: some some you know, pushed by the Freedom Caucus, I 234 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: think our entire party now understands we are a populist 235 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: party rooted in conservative principle, and that is that has 236 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: been that is I think, you know, President Trump did 237 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: more to push this in that direction where I think 238 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: we should have always been than anyone. And he's the 239 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: leader of our party. We are a populist party, but 240 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: still still you know, uh, still rooted in those those 241 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: key conservative principles of lower taxes, less government, standing up 242 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: for the First Amendment, the Bill rights, the Constitution, and 243 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: pro life parties, those those core things, and that's why 244 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: you see a state like ours, Ohio. Congressmen, Congressman, sorry interrupted, 245 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: we are going to have to leave it there, but 246 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: we really do appreciate you joining us today. That was 247 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Congressman Jim Jordan, Republican from Ohio, thank you again for 248 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: your time today. Up next, we assemble the panel. This 249 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg so On with Joe Matthew 250 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. This is Emily Wilkins here with my 251 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: co host Jack Fitzpatrick. We are in for Joe this week, 252 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: and now it is time for us to assemble our 253 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: all star panel that you know and loved, Bloomberg Politics 254 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Politics contributors Genie Chienzano and Rick Davis. You guys, thank 255 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: you both so much for for taking the time to 256 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: join us today. Um, I just wanted to sort of 257 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: follow up real quick on the discussion we just had 258 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: with Congressman Jim Jordans from Ohio. Uh, you know, if 259 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: Republicans win in November, and we have historical precedent to 260 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: to suggest that they might, he's going to be chair 261 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: of the Judiciary Committee. He talked a bit about some 262 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: of the investigations that he was looking into, and Rick, 263 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: I just want to see if you can give us 264 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: some context here. I mean, when Republicans talk about what 265 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: they're going to investigate, how much of these investigations are 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: usually substance and how much is just politics? You know, 267 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: I think it just depends upon which members initiating them. 268 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of members who truly 269 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of UM finding out 270 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, answers to questions that they can't get any 271 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 1: other way than to UH to launch an investigational formal investigation, 272 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: and others you know, UH see more political impact by 273 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: their investigations. I think the ones he talked about, you 274 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: know that UH really fall into both those categories or 275 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: immigration and justice. Right, those are legitimate questions to problems 276 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: that exist today that don't have obvious public answers, and 277 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: so the committee digging into those things might elicit some 278 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: potential policy formulations that come out of that. Certainly the 279 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: southern borders of mass and we got to find a 280 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: way to solve that. UM. I think on Hunter, Biden 281 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: and Faucci purely political, right, I mean, like there's no 282 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: breathless answers to public policy questions, you know in those 283 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: two and UH and so I and I have no 284 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: doubt there many more that the Committee would pursue under 285 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: his leadership. And Jennie, what did you make of Congressman 286 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: Jordan's tone and answers on Kevin McCarthy seemed very positive 287 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: on him now he did, you know, I think he 288 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: is reflecting what is the view of the Republican caucus 289 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: at this point that they feel that Kevin McCarthy has 290 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, led them in the right direction, that they 291 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: are on the precipice of winning. And I think you 292 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: and Emily did such a good job of sort of 293 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: showcasing for all of us if they win. To Emily's 294 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: point in November, what life is going to be like 295 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Come January. We are going to 296 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: see the House engaging in massive oversight investigations and the 297 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: Senate as well. Should they go Republican, we will then 298 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: have a divided government and we will be you know, 299 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: more in the condition of investigation and oversight than we 300 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: will in solving problems. You know, I appreciate what Rick 301 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: is saying about immigration and about the Justice Department their 302 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: investigations into Pegasus and all that stuff, But in a 303 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: divided government, it's hard to see how they pushed through, 304 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: particularly if it's close numbers, many of these things they 305 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: would like to do regardless of how these investigations come out. 306 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: And I feel like, no matter who is in control 307 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: of Congress, I think one thing that all political reporters 308 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: watched pretty closely is how the majority party is sticking together. 309 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Certainly we have covered the Progressives and Mansion at length 310 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: while Democrats have been in charge, but if Republicans take 311 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: the House, we are going to be looking closely at 312 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: these dynamics between leadership and the Freedom Caucus. Or Rick Davis, 313 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what you're kind of takeaway was there. 314 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like Jordan was ready to gear up 315 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: and be combative with the Freedom Caucus. Is it just 316 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: not what it was? Or does he probably not want 317 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: to show his cards this early. No, I think he 318 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: said it. Yeah, yeah, And I think either you or 319 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: Jack pointed out, I think the Freedom Caucus is one. 320 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: They are the majority now. Um what used to be, 321 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, a rabble rabs and group of 322 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: people who have made the uh you know, the majority 323 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: uh leader or the speaker uh crazy over time have 324 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: now become the people who are in charge. I think 325 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: part of the reason he was so positive about Kevin 326 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: McCarthy as a new speaker is because Kevin McCarthy is 327 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: bent over backwards to accommodate these um what used to 328 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: be minority views and so um, you know, declare victory 329 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: and move on the last thing he wants his disruption. 330 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: If anything, the people who will be more disruptive will 331 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: be the folks who used to be in charge. Yeah, 332 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: it will be very interesting. Dynamics. Also want to touch 333 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: quickly on what is coming up when Congress gets back 334 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: from that two week recess. We got a lot of 335 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: things on the table. I want to start, though, with 336 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: the COVID funding package. I mean, we left that off 337 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: that was meshed in that immigration debate over Title forty two. Genie, 338 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: do you sort of see any way at this point 339 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: to get that COVID funding bill across the line? You know, 340 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I was just talking to somebody about this. 341 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, usually you don't like to say things are 342 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: sort of baked in in April before Easter break, But 343 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: in this environment, you know, should they pass something for 344 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: COVID preparedness? Absolutely, look at what's going on in terms 345 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: of COVID numbers in Washington, d C. In New York 346 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: City alone, they should pass it. And yet it is 347 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: going to be difficult for them to clear that. You know, 348 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: I think that what happened with titled forty two Republicans 349 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: raising that and pushing for a vote. Could Democrats try 350 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: to surmount that and and try to get a vote? Yes, 351 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: they can, but I think it's going to be even 352 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: more difficult when they get back in two weeks than 353 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: it was when they left the other day. So I 354 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: am not incredibly hopeful that we'll see that happen anytime soon. 355 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: And Rick, real quick, this is only half of what 356 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: the White House asked. Where they're gonna have to work 357 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: on that and how much more? Yeah, I think that 358 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: they're going to have to find a vehicle at this stage. 359 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to come to grips at least this 360 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: administration with what to do about Title forty two. It's 361 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: not just Republicans who are complaining about the Title forty 362 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: two going to suspension or many Democrats have expressed a 363 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: lot of problems with it. They're not going to get 364 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: COVID funding until they've tackled that. And honestly, what I 365 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: don't understand is why that's so hard. I mean, like 366 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: Title forty two was in place for a long time. 367 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: As we've just all said, there continues to be a 368 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: pandemic that's raging through a lot of cities, including many 369 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: along the border, and yet they released Title forty two, 370 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: which was put in place to bat battle COVID. So 371 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: I think there needs to just be a come up 372 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and people need to sort of get together and say, 373 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, COVID funding is important and we can't hold 374 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: Title forty two uh as hostage to that. And it'll 375 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens. I know there's some 376 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: bipartisan legislation out there that would tie Title forty two 377 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: to the official end of the pandemic. Well, Rick, Jennie 378 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: stick Around will be back in just a minute, but 379 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: first we're gonna hear from Congress froman Eleanor Holmes Norton. 380 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: She's gonna be coming up next on sound On. 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We spoke this afternoon with Congresswoman 389 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: Eleanor Holmes Norton, the delegate of the in the House 390 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: of Representatives from the District of Columbia. We talked about 391 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Katangi Brown Jackson's confirmation of the Supreme Court. We even 392 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: talked about helicopters. And if you are among our listeners 393 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: in the District of Columbia, you probably already know why 394 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: we're asking about helicopters. We caught up with Congresswoman Eleanor 395 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: Holmes Norton of the District of Columbia this afternoon, and 396 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: obviously we had to ask her about the biggest news 397 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: of the week, at least in the United States Senate. 398 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: The confirmation of Katangi Brown Jackson to the United States 399 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: Supreme Court a big deal, especially for someone like the 400 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: delegate from the District of Columbia. Obviously, Justice Judge Jackson, 401 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: having been a long time DC resident, I asked her, 402 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: especially on a personal level, how it felt to watch 403 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: this confirmation proceed. The justice now no longer Judge lives 404 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: in the district. She was born in the district and 405 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: she was a public defender here, so her affiliations with 406 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: our city made us particularly proud to see her go 407 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: all the way up. Because I have senatorial courtesy to 408 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: name ought to recommend certain officials, including district court officials. 409 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: I recommended Judge Jackson for the U S. District Court 410 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: here in d C. We also got to ask the 411 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: congresswoman a little bit about d C statehood, obviously a 412 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: huge issue for her. The House passed to build last year, 413 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: but it has since stalled. We also saw the Supreme 414 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Court last year affirming an earlier ruling that DC is 415 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: not constitutionally entitled to voting representation in Congress. If that 416 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: mtter goes to the Supreme Court, it would be hard 417 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: for me to see how anybody could oppose that. Given 418 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: the districts uh present status, which where it has as 419 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: many residents as two of our states, who have all 420 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: the rights of the states. We know that to get 421 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: the same rights that the states have before, voting rights, 422 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: including voting rights in the Senate, that that would take 423 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: not a constitutional amendment, but it would certainly take an 424 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: agreement by both houses. Yeah, a lot of Congress, a 425 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: lot of confidence. They're still from the congresswoman, and we 426 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: also asked her a little bit about COVID. We've obviously 427 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: seen a large outbreak in d C, with the number 428 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: of officials, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, testing positive, and 429 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: we also saw Mayor Mariel Bowser test positive today as well. 430 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: I thought we were through this, but when you see 431 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: high level officials who themselves have been trying to abide 432 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: by all the regulations, who have been vaccinated and boosted, 433 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: it does seem to me that we may we need 434 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: to take a step back. Uh. And of course, on 435 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: that note, yes, we saw DC officials, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser, uh, 436 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: the Commerce Secretary, Gina Ramundo, uh Merritt Garland, the Attorney 437 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: General were I've already lost track of exactly how many 438 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: House members have gotten it. I thought it was pretty 439 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: notable that she said, yeah, this is the kind of 440 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: thing that would require us to rethink exactly where the 441 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: mask mandates stand. Emily, Yeah, I mean d C has been, 442 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: i think, compared to other parts of the country, pretty 443 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: strict when it comes to making sure there's a social 444 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: distance scene, making sure that there is the mask mandates. 445 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: And I think there's still some concern, particularly remember, if 446 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: you're a parent and you've got a kid who's under five, 447 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: that kid isn't vaccinated yet, and so for you, the 448 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: pandemic is still a very real thing. That's a good 449 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: point on kids and schools obviously, And and you know, 450 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: I think we'd be remiss not to at least backtrack 451 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: a little on an issue we talked about all this week, 452 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: which was the failure of the Senate to come to 453 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: an agreement on this ten billion dollar COVID Response bill, 454 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: which would probably have used some funds, some funding flexibility 455 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: for vaccines, a big focus on therapeutics as well, which 456 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: I think would be particularly important if there were to 457 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: be a really significant wave in the US coming up. Yeah, 458 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: And I just kind of keep thinking about how at 459 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: the start of O Macron lots of panic, particularly here 460 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: in in d C that I know elsewhere, of people 461 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: trying to find tests, trying to find other things that 462 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: they needed. At this point, and the Biden administration coming 463 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: out and saying well, we'll be prepared for the next one, 464 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: you kind of have to wonder about what that's going 465 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: to look like if some of this funding is really 466 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: running out. Now. One final issue we had to bring 467 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: up at least I had to Emily. I don't know 468 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: about you. I live in Adams Morgan. I'm kind of uphill. 469 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I can touch these helicopters going over 470 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: my house. Uh, they're loud, and I noticed actually, just 471 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: earlier this week, the delegate, Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton introduced 472 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: a bill that would require those helicopters to fly higher, 473 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: somewhere in the upper registers of where they would normally 474 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: be required. I don't know if I'm alone. I suspect 475 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm not alone. If have you noticed that these helicopters, 476 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: for I think the last couple of years, going all 477 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: over the city really low. I mean, I feel like 478 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: being a resident in d C means that you're going 479 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: to be two things because of motorcades, it means that 480 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: you're going to have helicopters flying overhead. It means you're 481 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a little fewer bomb threats than perhaps other 482 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: cities do. I'll be I'll be honest. Out in his least, 483 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: it's not quite as big of an issue with the helicopters, 484 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: but there have been many a time where I've been 485 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: caught off guard by that that close warring noise overhead. 486 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: The members of Congress themselves may not have to deal 487 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: with it if it's not so bad over in the 488 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: eastern section. Here's what the congresswoman had to say about that. 489 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna be able to get that through 490 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: this helicop and noise has become a huge problem in 491 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: the district of Columbia. Requiring them to fly at a 492 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: certain status where they do left damage two people sleeping, 493 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: and other activities will be I expect that Bible to 494 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: pass the House, So she's got some work to do there. 495 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: She'll she'll gather her co sponsors that got sent over 496 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: to the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and it's you know, 497 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: it's interest sting to to have this conversation with d 498 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: c S member of Congress as someone who doesn't get 499 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: to uh doesn't have the voting right on the floor 500 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: of the House, but sort of factors into all of 501 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: these things. She's she'll she'll work on on that kind 502 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: of issue. She's brought up National Park Service helicopters. It's, 503 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's just kind of a fun Friday interview 504 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: to talk to someone who's in such a unique position 505 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: in the House. Of Representatives. I'm going to see if 506 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: she can sponsor a bill to make sure that when 507 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm blocked by a motorcade that my car or any 508 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: DC car is just able to get right on through. 509 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: I think that would be another big win for DC residents. 510 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: Work that into the legislation, you know, and on the 511 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: appropriations beat, I would point out, you know, they jokingly 512 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: refer to the person in charge of general government spending 513 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: as the mayor of DC or the real mayor of 514 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: d C, because so much of Congress, so many issues 515 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: in Congress play into the governance of the District of Columbia. 516 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll go back to the panel. We've got 517 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie she and Zano and Rick Davis 518 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: with us to talk about everything Congress did and didn't 519 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: accomplish in this wild week in Washington. Listening to the 520 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: Fastest Hour in Politics and Policy with Emily Wilkins. I'm 521 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick. This is Bloomberg. H This is Bloomberg Sound 522 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. We saw Katangi 523 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson confirmed as the first black woman this week 524 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Uh the COVID funding bill fell 525 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: apart in the Senate. We're going to talk about even 526 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: more than that, the Semiconductor China Competitiveness Bill, Whatever happened 527 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: to build back better? And what will it be renamed someday? 528 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm Jack Fitzpatrick co hosting today with Emily Wilkins. We're 529 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: in for Joe Matthew, who's coming back next week. Let's 530 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: go to the all star panel. We've got Bloomberg Politics 531 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: contributors Genie she in Zano and Rick Davis with us guys. 532 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: The week was kind of dominated by the news on 533 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: Kaitanji Brown Jackson's confirmation. A lot of drama around that 534 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: COVID bill falling apart, But there's some important things to 535 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: look forward to for when Congress comes back that didn't 536 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: get quite as much attention. I've had my eye on 537 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: this semiconductor bill. Uh speaking of renaming bills, the Bill 538 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: of Many Names, Endless Frontiers, USKA, whatever you want to 539 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: call it, the one with the money for semiconductor production. 540 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: Um Rick, where do you see that going? I noticed 541 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: they named conferees. The House has done it's thing, the 542 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Senate has done it's thing. They've got to come up 543 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: with something that can pass in both chambers. Uh, Is 544 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: this one last gasp of real bipartisan legislation before we 545 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: go all in on campaign politics this year. Yeah, I 546 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know about that, but I do agree with you 547 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: that this the Yuseka, which is what I'm calling it 548 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: these days, is UH is probably one of the most 549 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 1: major pieces of legislation that's gone unattended to, you know, 550 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: in this Congress, and and now that they're getting out 551 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, it's it's it's a crying 552 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: chain because it's actually something outside of the the nomination 553 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: process that you talked about, outside of the war in Ukraine, 554 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of attention and bipartisan support. This 555 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: is something that we can actually do for our own country, 556 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: in our competitiveness, and and yet you know, differences remain 557 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: between the House and Senate. At least we've got confrerees. 558 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: That's a good step. But this thing is lasted way 559 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: too long. This needs to get done right away when 560 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: they get back, and it needs to get signed in 561 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: and we need to go about our business, rebuilding our 562 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: supply chain. Rick, our senate guy calling the bill by 563 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: its senate name, you seeka I am personally a fan 564 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: of Endless Frontiers. Um, it is, it really is. And Jenny, 565 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into this whole Conference 566 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: committee because we were waiting for it for so long 567 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and then we saw the lawmakers be named to it. 568 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: It's more than a hundred lawmakers, Jeane, what how is 569 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: this going to work? Exactly with a hundred people in 570 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: a room negotiating. Is this kind of just for show 571 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: or something actually going to happen here? You know, I'm 572 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: listening to you and Jack talking about low flying helicopters 573 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: in d C. We heard about this crazy fox on 574 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and when they assigned these conferees just before 575 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: they left town, I said, Yep, there it goes again. 576 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: This is DC at work. To your point, it is 577 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult for that many people to negotiate in any way. 578 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: So what we're gonna have to see is we're gonna 579 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: have to see who emerges as leaders of this thing 580 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: to push it through. To Rick's point, it's wildly popular. 581 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: It should be done. It's in all of our interest. 582 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: If you are an American citizen, this is absolutely important 583 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: to the country. And yet it installed And I am 584 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: not optimistic. We're going to see a lot of movement 585 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: forward when they get back in two weeks, because again, 586 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: everything when they get back is going to be about 587 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: the mid term election, and they're no escape from that. 588 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: You guys make a good point on the number of 589 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: people on these conference on this conference committee, I've covered 590 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: a couple conference committees before. This is technically the way 591 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: it's supposed to go. This is regular order. The House bill, 592 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: the House passes something, the Senate passes something that come together. 593 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the time, they don't do that a 594 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: lot of the time too, For example, fund the government, 595 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, Nancy Pelosi gets in the room with 596 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: a Senate Republican and they try to figure it out. Uh. 597 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of things that are probably going to take a 598 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: bit of a sloppier, messier course going forward, at least 599 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: that that would be my prediction, and of bills being renamed. 600 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: Whatever happens of the remnants of Build Back Better will 601 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: be really important. We don't know exactly what it will be. UH. 602 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: Senator Joe Manson has talked about at least half of 603 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: whatever money they raised from tax increases would need to 604 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: go to UH deficit deficit cutting measures. I'm curious what 605 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: you guys expect actually could get into this reconciliation bill 606 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: of the leftovers of what failed with Bill Beck better Rick, 607 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: what do you think stands the best chance of actually 608 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: becoming law of those democratic priorities? You know, it's hard 609 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: to tell. I think that the appropriators are actually interested 610 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: in going through um the regular order of appropriations, now, 611 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, I mean we we we don't realize it, 612 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: but uh we we were six months into this appropriation 613 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: cycle when we finally passed last year's budget. Uh And 614 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: so I do think that could turn out to be 615 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: an interesting debate to follow, because things like the child 616 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: tax credit, which is again wildly popular on both sides 617 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: but very expensive, could find its way I think, into 618 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: potentially some legislation that came right out of that reconciliation 619 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: bill you're talking about and Gene. You know, as we 620 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: talk about whatever this bill that shall not be named 621 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: as it has been deemed by some in Congress is 622 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: going to happen with it. I just want to talk 623 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: about timelines here, because we know this stuff takes a while. 624 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: Even if they have an agreement, it still takes a 625 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks to go through the Senate. Is there 626 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of a drop dead period where after a certain point, 627 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: we're just too close to the mid terms, there's not 628 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: enough time left and lawmakers are going to have to 629 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: to give it up. Well, I was saying the drop 630 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: dead period was yesterday. Quite frankly, I mean, this was 631 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: the longest. This was six weeks Congress was in, they 632 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: had a chance to do this, and then what did 633 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: we here reported in the last couple of days that 634 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema has been telling donors and others that a 635 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: path to reviving the Build Back Better Bill and any 636 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: of its sort of skinny down versions, whatever you want 637 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: to call them, is a note non starter. And apparently 638 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: there's also reports that she hasn't been you know, reached 639 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: out to or however you want to put it in 640 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: terms of coming to her to get a deal. And 641 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: of course any one of these senators can kill a 642 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: deal like that, so I think it's highly unlikely we 643 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: see anything like this go through, particularly when that's what 644 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: we're hearing out of the all important senator from Arizona. 645 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Speaking of all important Arizona senators, Rick, I just want 646 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on where Kirsten Cinema is We've 647 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: talked for a long time over the last year. So 648 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: about Joe Manson, how pivotal is Senator Cinema. Yeah, Joe 649 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: Manson opposed the reconciliation on primarily um policy grounds. Kirston 650 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: Cinema opposed it on primarily funding grounds. She does not 651 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: believe we should be, you know, raising taxes at a 652 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: time where the economy is already uh, potentially in turmoil 653 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: and and and arguably the she she looks back on 654 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: the Trump tax cuts is something to help grow an 655 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: economy in the middle of a pandemic. So um, and 656 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: who wants to raise taxes right before a mid term 657 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: So if you if you need revenue for this, you 658 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: got to get through Kirston Cinema. And if you get 659 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: through her, you gotta be crazy to want to put 660 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: that on your your party raising taxes right before midterm election. Okay, 661 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: So let's talk about spending, spending, spending, not raising revenue. 662 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: I have been fascinated by the years long effort that 663 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: has now come to fruition to bring back ear marks. Uh. 664 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: They in this omnibus bill that just recently was enacted. 665 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: The government funding measure was the first one to include 666 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: earmarks specific projects, local projects that lawmakers wanted to write 667 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: into the bill. Uh, since they were banned for a 668 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: decade after the Tea Party election, the Tea Party wave, 669 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: when the Republicans had a lot of sort of good 670 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: governance measures. Uh and and eliminating earmarks was a big priority. 671 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: Then they brought them back. There were some Republicans involved. 672 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: Democrats were a little more enthusiastic. Um, guys, any takeaways 673 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: from you know, Democrats talked about this so much. We're 674 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: already talking about Republicans taking back the House. Has has 675 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: this been enough of a success so that we should 676 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: expect this to stick or Republicans going to come back 677 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: and just eliminate them again? Rick, Well, the pigs at 678 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: the trough, I mean, they don't have a party on them, right. Uh. 679 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: This spending is crazy. John McCain was one of the 680 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: great advocates for getting rid of the marks when we 681 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: had him before, and he's probably rolling over in his 682 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: grave considering how much money was spent on these. Uh. 683 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: So sure it once you get into that that that 684 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: that's spending in and ear marking, it's addictive and uh 685 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: and even though you're spending it in many cases on 686 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: things that are good, like you know, law enforcement and 687 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: education and whatnot, it's still doesn't go through the kind 688 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: of inspection which leads you to things like the bridge 689 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: to nowhere, which is what got rid of the ear 690 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: marks to begin with. So the reason the late Don 691 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: Young would hate to hear you say that point out, Yeah, 692 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: well that was a fight that I truly enjoyed. But 693 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is, yeah, I mean, I think 694 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: you can expect it until somebody steps up who's a 695 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: reformer and says, hey, this is exactly what uh leads 696 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: to corruption and and overspending and and and and we 697 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta get rid of these again. But I 698 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hold my breath to hear that person rise 699 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: up tomorrow. So Jack's not going to say this because 700 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: he's too humble, but everyone need to go onto the 701 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: terminal and read his story breaking down all of these earmarks. 702 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: He's nearly five thousand earmarks, more than nine billion dollars 703 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: in spending. I mean he's he's slaved over hot spreadsheets 704 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: for hours and hours on end to give really the 705 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: most comprehensive data. Some other people have put it out 706 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: forget them. Jackson is exactly what you want. You need 707 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: to go on the terminal, you need to find it. Jack, 708 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: you are truly the earmarks guru. I just kind of 709 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: wanted to get your sense what your main takeaway was 710 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: from this entire process. I mean, they didn't even hit 711 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: the limit that they set for themselves on how much 712 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: they could spend. Kind of, what is the ultimate takeaway here? 713 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: What did we accomplish with this bringing the earmarks back? 714 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: That's an interesting point, you know, of the and I 715 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: can tell you the exact number out of experience, four thousand, 716 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: nine hundred seventy five earmarks included in this. They they said, look, 717 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: we want these some good governance measures to limit this. 718 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: We're only going to allow it to get up to 719 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: one percent of discretionary funding. They didn't even get to 720 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: that one person would be fifteen billion dollars. They ended 721 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: up at about nine point seven billion dollars. There was 722 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: there were some rules in place to limit earmarks that 723 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: weren't in the previous era. And there may have been 724 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of nervousness. You know. Maggie Hassan in 725 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: the Senate, a moderate for example, UH didn't didn't participate 726 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: because she said she wanted to see how this process goes. 727 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: It was something that made some moderates a little bit nervous, 728 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: and I'm curious if they get a little more aggressive 729 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: in the future if they continue this. Uh look, I 730 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: could talk for hours about earmarks. You can read the 731 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: whole Excel document. But thanks again to our our panelist 732 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: Jennie Sheenzano and Rick Davis, Congressman Jim Jordans, and Delegate 733 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: Eleanor Holmes Norton with Emily Wilkins. I'm Jack Fitzpatrick. This 734 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg