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Speaker 2: A lot of it has been made of the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: They're villains, and I keep thinking, are they villains? You
Speaker 2: know when you talk about a villain, I think about
Speaker 2: the Bad Boys, the Pistons, like like they were villains,
Speaker 2: but they embraced it.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's certain wrestlers who like being the villain.
Speaker 2: But you know, what is a villain? I have the definition,
Speaker 2: but I want you to hear from Travis Kelsey was
Speaker 2: on his podcast with his brother and talking about embracing
Speaker 2: being a villain in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: At one point, at one point in time, you know,
Speaker 5: it wasn't that and.
Speaker 2: You were the sender.
Speaker 3: You guys were the dollars in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I was the do you feel bad for him?
Speaker 2: Guys and you're not the helm.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this with the
Speaker 5: guys together, the guys that we have in there, because
Speaker 5: it's it's like it just makes us even more of
Speaker 5: a family.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the New High Podcasts with the brothers. A
Speaker 2: villain is a character person who is intentionally evil or
Speaker 2: harmful to others. Villains can be fictional or based on
Speaker 2: real people. So the intentional part of that, are they
Speaker 2: intentionally evil? Are they intentionally good or great? I think
Speaker 2: they came along at a time we were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: somebody other than the Patriots, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's like, now we're waiting for somebody other than the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. But I mean Patrick Mahomes not a villain. Kelsey,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, Chris Jones, I don't get it. I think
Speaker 2: we're tired of the story. And that's natural for sports fans.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, somebody else. Boy, we're really rooting for
Speaker 2: Buffalo or we're rooting against Kansas City because we want
Speaker 2: somebody else in there. Buffalo would be great, you know,
Speaker 2: Baltimore would be great. We want somebody else in there.
Speaker 2: This happens with dynasties. We get tired, same stories, same people.
Speaker 2: Everybody's doing commercials. It's a big deal. Every game is
Speaker 2: the nationally televised game. It's the big one on Sunday
Speaker 2: night or Sunday afternoon on Fox or CBS. So we're
Speaker 2: so familiar with this story that that's why we wanted
Speaker 2: something else. Even the Eagles, you know, we had them
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. We're
Speaker 2: very familiar with the Eagles. Now you got Sakwuon Barkley. Okay,
Speaker 2: you can root for them. And I never thought I
Speaker 2: would hear, you know, the national audience saying, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess I'll root for the Eagles. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: Notre Dame or Duke Basketball, uh, somebody other than them.
Speaker 2: Then Notre Dame became likable this year. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a national audience that's going, hey, I
Speaker 2: kind of like Notre Dame this year. So then I'm
Speaker 2: not buying. But Kansas City should embrace it because it's there,
Speaker 2: it's real, and you know, fans want to see Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to see the Eagles
Speaker 2: win as much as they want to see Kansas City lose.
Speaker 2: They want to see what happens with Travis Kelce when
Speaker 2: he's walking off the field, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: But I look at this as extremely skilled football. All
Speaker 2: three phases. They just do it right and I can't
Speaker 2: argue about that. I can't complain about that. Do they
Speaker 2: get calls? Is the perception they're getting calls, yes, but
Speaker 2: it's not their fault. You know, if they take advantage
Speaker 2: of the rules, then change the rules. You know, the Patriots,
Speaker 2: you could say we're villains because they cheated and they
Speaker 2: were involved in a couple of nefarious situations there. Their
Speaker 2: head coach wasn't likable. Brady we embraced because it was
Speaker 2: an underdog story, Julian Edelman underdogs, like they had so
Speaker 2: many underdog stories. And then we got tired of them,
Speaker 2: and then they're cheating, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you hated to see Brady's face because, you know, the
Speaker 2: good looking quarterback got the cheerleader and won the championship.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick always grumpy even if he won. You know,
Speaker 2: we got tired of all of that. But I viewed
Speaker 2: them as villains, not the Kansas City chief So if
Speaker 2: it helps the Chiefs and Travis Kelcey and you embrace that,
Speaker 2: then great. But I don't look at them as villains.
Speaker 2: I look at them as one of the great teams
Speaker 2: of all time with what they've done this run Mahomes
Speaker 2: and what he's done historical Andy Reid, what he's done
Speaker 2: to maybe be he's the guy who couldn't win the
Speaker 2: big game. Remember, couldn't win the big game? And then
Speaker 2: he goes to Kansas City. Huh great, Yeah, maybe you'll
Speaker 2: get to a conference title game. He was good doing
Speaker 2: that in Philadelphia. Now we're looking at him. Man, guy's
Speaker 2: an offensive genius. He should be up there with Shula, Belichick, Lombard,
Speaker 2: I mean, all the greats, and rightfully so. And Mahomes.
Speaker 2: He's going to be the greatest quarterback of all time
Speaker 2: probably when it's all said in What did he do wrong? Exactly?
Speaker 2: I don't know what he did wrong? I mean, is
Speaker 2: he cocky? Does he get calls? Okay? That doesn't make
Speaker 2: him a villain? Now, that can make you root against
Speaker 2: them because they get the calls. You know, Brady got called.
Speaker 2: The greats get calls, or the perception is they got
Speaker 2: a call. And they're always on national TV, so you're
Speaker 2: seeing all this. They don't play one o'clock games, not
Speaker 2: very often. Every game is magnified. Every game Monday is
Speaker 2: a referendum on that game and that team.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, I think for Mahomes, I think it's the
Speaker 4: people around Patrick Mahomes that makes people root against him.
Speaker 4: It's not even Patrick Mahomes himself. It's the people around him.
Speaker 4: I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Maybe referencing family members there maybe yeah, yeah, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't make him a villain. That doesn't make the Chiefs
Speaker 2: a villain. But I would say most people, if you're
Speaker 2: not an Eagles fan or a Chiefs fan, you're rooting
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. It probably if
Speaker 2: you did a football map, I would guess that most
Speaker 2: of the states would be rooting, maybe not for the Eagles,
Speaker 2: but against the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6: I think your point was right when you explain what
Speaker 6: villain means intentional, the word intentional. If you go back
Speaker 6: to Belichick, especially the last six or seven years of
Speaker 6: that run, he was difficult with the media on purpose,
Speaker 6: and it seemed like he got more difficult and it's
Speaker 6: us against the world, and I'm going to give you
Speaker 6: a hard time because I've got a handful of rings
Speaker 6: and he could get away with it. So and also
Speaker 6: the cheating accusations, some real, some not with the Patriots.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: Villainin a character in a story who opposes the hero
Speaker 2: A person who is guilty of or likely to commit
Speaker 2: a crime, A person who is cruel or evil, a
Speaker 2: person who is blame for a particular evil. Certain villains
Speaker 2: Hannibal Lecter, Norman Bates, Darth Vader, the Wicked Witch of
Speaker 2: the West, the Wicked Witch of the AFC West, Bill
Speaker 2: Lame Beer h But hey, I don't blame you, embrace it.
Speaker 2: You might as well. Hey, all right now, they can't
Speaker 2: say nobody thought we would be here. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not one of those like their villains are favorites as
Speaker 2: far as you're not an underdog story, because it's hard
Speaker 2: to hate a villain who's an underdog. Yes, yes, Neil, I.
Speaker 1: Think they've also been preseason betting favorites for like six.
Speaker 2: Years in a round. Yes, yes, this isn't one of
Speaker 2: those oh my gosh, heartwarming stories. It's not. But when
Speaker 2: you think about it, Mahomes was nobody in college. Kelsey
Speaker 2: was a former quarterback. He played it since an, I mean,
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere. Nobody knows where Chris Jones went
Speaker 2: to college. I mean that's why when you start to
Speaker 2: look at Isaiah Pacheco went to Rutgers Tyreek Hill. Now
Speaker 2: you know, you could maybe not like Tyreek Hill, but
Speaker 2: they traded him away and they did a great job
Speaker 2: finding Tyreek Hill. So I look at that front office unbelievable,
Speaker 2: plug and play unbelievable. And the constant is your GM,
Speaker 2: your coach, and your quarterback and not in that order.
Speaker 2: It should be a story that we embrace or at
Speaker 2: least we respect. But it's almost like, oh God, this
Speaker 2: is going to happen on Super Bowl Sunday. There'll be
Speaker 2: that moment where, oh god, they get all the calls.
Speaker 2: It's going to happen. And I hate when it happens
Speaker 2: because then we lose sight even leading up to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. This is going to be a big storyline
Speaker 2: next week. Oh the villains, people hate us, that's okay?
Speaker 2: Or people saying, oh, they get all the calls? Are
Speaker 2: they going to change the rules in the off season?
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter joins us. Now, Schefty, are they going to
Speaker 2: change the rules? Yes, help is on the way, Like
Speaker 2: that's what it's going to be instead of these are
Speaker 2: two great teams, really really well run. When you look
Speaker 2: at the GMS, the talent both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: Yetto Chiefs are a one and a half point favorite.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what you want. You want a
Speaker 2: super Bowl, You know I used to cover the Super
Speaker 2: Bowls when it would be how badly is the AFC
Speaker 2: going to lose? How badly are the Broncos going to lose?
Speaker 2: Oh it's fifty five to ten. You want all right, sorry,
Speaker 2: DoD You want competition, you want a great game, and
Speaker 2: there's so many things at stake. What would a Super
Speaker 2: Bowl do for Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni, Saquon Barklay. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that next hour. Add another super Bowl to
Speaker 2: Andy Reid's resume or Patrick mahomes resume? Does Kelsey retire
Speaker 2: after a Super Bowl win? Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: great storylines here, and you know, there are times when
Speaker 2: I can be a cynic, but you know, I still
Speaker 2: love covering sports. I don't. I hate being the Oh God,
Speaker 2: they get all the calls. That's not fair. They cheat
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. They spend more money than any
Speaker 2: But then you lose sight of what we grew up
Speaker 2: wanting and we took for granted, there weren't controversies when
Speaker 2: we were growing up. I don't know if anybody said
Speaker 2: kind of I hate the Packers in the late sixties,
Speaker 2: You're like, damn, they're good. Kansas City. Man, they got
Speaker 2: a weird huddle with Lenny Dawson and Hankstraham. But I
Speaker 2: like him Joe Namath, Like, that's what you grow up with.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with a you know, a guy or a
Speaker 2: team that you want to beat that they're the team
Speaker 2: to beat. I'm okay. You know, I grew up a
Speaker 2: UCLA fan, and everybody wanted to beat Ucla. But I
Speaker 2: like the fact that there was that one team you
Speaker 2: wanted to beat. The Cowboys for a while, the Packers
Speaker 2: for a while, the Steelers for a while, the Niners
Speaker 2: for a while. Man, We're so lucky to have those
Speaker 2: years where you saw greatness, true greatness.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pauline, I want to ask you a back of
Speaker 6: the day question before we break. When Joe Namath was
Speaker 6: going to win the Super Bowl or getting ready to
Speaker 6: win the Super Bowl, was he beloved embraced by the
Speaker 6: national sports fans or was he like, oh, this cocky
Speaker 6: guy from this upstart league.
Speaker 2: I think that since they were eighteen point underdogs, that
Speaker 2: there was a like a snickering curiosity of damn, can't
Speaker 2: believe he guaranteed they were going to beat the Colts.
Speaker 2: And you know, he had long hair, so he looked
Speaker 2: like he was, you know, the fifth Beatle. But when
Speaker 2: you watched him play at white shoes and then if
Speaker 2: he was not able to play, had this big fur
Speaker 2: white fur coat on, and so there was a curiosity.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if he was warmly embraced. I
Speaker 2: think because I grew up as an AFC AFL fan,
Speaker 2: I should say an AFL fan, So I loved that
Speaker 2: they were wide open football. The NFL was boring. It
Speaker 2: was like three yards here and here's a suite for
Speaker 2: four yards and there's a seven yard touchdown. Like it
Speaker 2: was boring. The AFL it was awesome. It was like
Speaker 2: the ABA. It was fun. And then you know, the
Speaker 2: same thing happened in the NBA. The NBA looked at
Speaker 2: the ABA and go, man, they're doing some fun things.
Speaker 2: The NFL did that with the AFL. Bring those teams in,
Speaker 2: they're having fun, the Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, the Jets.
Speaker 2: So you know, this just goes along. You know, this
Speaker 2: is history. Every few years it's that guy or that
Speaker 2: team or both. And that's what's to me great about this.
Speaker 2: It's why I still love coming to work every day.
Speaker 2: You have these stories, they're fun, Embrace them.
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Speaker 2: We make way for Vincent Goodwill, one of our favorites
Speaker 2: covering the NBA. Yahoo's Sports Senior NBA writer, host of
Speaker 2: the Good Word podcast. Great to have you on again.
Speaker 2: Not sure how you reacted to Commissioner Silver saying an
Speaker 2: idea that he liked, not that he's pushing for it,
Speaker 2: not that it's going to happen next season. Ten minute quarters,
Speaker 2: forty minute games, your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Man, people come on your show, and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden you ask crazy questions, you get crazy answers, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you get aggregated because the commissioner
Speaker 4: comes on your show and behaves like he's not the
Speaker 4: commissioner but like he's a fan that's watching the game
Speaker 4: and saying, Ah, these damn games are too long. I
Speaker 4: can't stay awake all for two and a half hours.
Speaker 4: How about this, here's a radical idea, Commissioner Silver and
Speaker 4: Commissioner Dan Patrick, how about we eliminate these reviews. When
Speaker 4: I'm at in an arena and these reviews take fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: I'm exaggerating slightly for something that we can all see.
Speaker 4: I know we want to get calls, right, I know
Speaker 4: we want to We have all these different angles and
Speaker 4: you know, if it touched the fingertip of someone's finger
Speaker 4: when it went off of the other guy's hand, like
Speaker 4: that type of thing. There's ways you can expedite the
Speaker 4: process of the game without messing with the structural integrity
Speaker 4: and history of the game. And you know me, I
Speaker 4: live in the crates. We don't have to we don't
Speaker 4: have to shorten this. And how about we stop telling
Speaker 4: people that something is wrong with the game. If you're
Speaker 4: telling people something is wrong with the game, then people
Speaker 4: will start believing that something is wrong with the game.
Speaker 2: But his goal is international global domination. Where you play
Speaker 2: this in the Olympics, and you play this in the
Speaker 2: euro League. You know probably seven of your top ten
Speaker 2: players are from Europe or outside the United States. So
Speaker 2: maybe looking at uniform normity there, and look, I'm not
Speaker 2: forid er against it, but I'm open to it, Dan,
Speaker 2: that's the difference. I'm open to it.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 4: Why do those foreign players play in the NBA and
Speaker 4: not in the euroleagues.
Speaker 2: Because they make more money over here.
Speaker 4: Okay, so if this is the standard, then you set
Speaker 4: the standard here, you don't follow the standard. I believe
Speaker 4: it was the wise philosopher JJ Reddick. We set that
Speaker 4: last night, and I've never said those words in concert.
Speaker 4: Philosopher JJ Reddick.
Speaker 2: Hey, Steve, Steve Kerr said you gotta open your mind.
Speaker 2: You got to be open minded to this.
Speaker 4: Why is it always the NBA that has to make
Speaker 4: these radical changes? Like baseball is nine innings? The NFL is.
Speaker 2: Baseball did a pitch count a clock? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: people went crazy. They made the vibit is larger. People
Speaker 2: went crazy. The kickoffs in the NFL, people went crazy.
Speaker 4: Is it still twenty seven outs?
Speaker 3: Dan?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, is it still twenty seven? It is twenty
Speaker 2: seven out?
Speaker 4: I would I'm just curious it's still twenty seven outs.
Speaker 4: And my thing is with the NBA as a whole,
Speaker 4: there's always this appearance that something is wrong and it
Speaker 4: has to be fixed. There's tweaks that you make, there's
Speaker 4: ways to get ahead. They're behind on this three point stuff, right, Dan.
Speaker 4: They are severely behind on all this three point stuff.
Speaker 4: But when you talk about the history, the integrity of
Speaker 4: the game. I know I'm an old young person, but
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with the game being forty
Speaker 4: eight minutes. How about this, Dan, here's a novel concept.
Speaker 4: If the game starts at seven thirty. How about the
Speaker 4: game actually starts at seven thirty and not seven forty five?
Speaker 4: Not a cut off some time for TV?
Speaker 2: Wait, this is.
Speaker 4: Not that hard?
Speaker 2: Is that your Chris Rock impersonation?
Speaker 3: It little bit?
Speaker 2: It kind of sounded like that. Why don't you started
Speaker 2: at seven point thirty? Okay? Do you have a tweak
Speaker 2: for the three point line?
Speaker 4: Two things that I would entertain, one a little more
Speaker 4: serious than others. The corner three is such a shot
Speaker 4: that everybody aims towards right because it's so much shorter
Speaker 4: than the other three point line? Can we make the
Speaker 4: line across the way? Can we widen the floor, which
Speaker 4: we know we won't do because you got to sell
Speaker 4: those expensive tickets. So if you're not going to widen
Speaker 4: the floor, eliminate the corner three? Or Dan, the best
Speaker 4: idea for me, how about we allow to hand check
Speaker 4: on the perimeter. That way, you don't give up the
Speaker 4: easy switches where you have bigs running out at guards.
Speaker 4: That compromises the integrity of your defense, and you give
Speaker 4: defenses a chance. It's not so much that the three
Speaker 4: point shot is taken in abundance, it's that it's the
Speaker 4: easier shot to take because defenses don't get a chance
Speaker 4: to run at you, when if they do run at you,
Speaker 4: you wind up getting flagrant files or something like that.
Speaker 4: Because you can test the jump shot, you're not giving
Speaker 4: defenses a chance. So if you give someone a little arball,
Speaker 4: maybe they'll be more likely to explore the other real estate.
Speaker 4: There's some good real estate in the middle of the floor.
Speaker 4: No matter what the nerves tell you, a sixteen foot
Speaker 4: shot is far easier than a twenty foot shot. But
Speaker 4: if you notice two, then dudes are not taught to
Speaker 4: shoot that. So when they get in the sixteen foot range,
Speaker 4: they throw up these crappy floaters as opposed to shooting
Speaker 4: an actual jump shot. If the game is broken, the
Speaker 4: game is broken in the way that is being taught,
Speaker 4: not the way that's being played at this level.
Speaker 2: Vincent Goodwill, yahoo's Sports senior NBA writer, host of The
Speaker 2: Good Word Podcast. I've said for years we need to
Speaker 2: widen the floor a little bit because the corner three.
Speaker 2: You know what you talked about. How about we limit
Speaker 2: the number, we cap the number of threes your team
Speaker 2: can take at twenty five. Therefore, the people you want
Speaker 2: to take the three will, the better shooters will take
Speaker 2: the threes, And now it becomes a little bit more
Speaker 2: of an economical game of when do you take those
Speaker 2: three and when do you not?
Speaker 4: My problem with that, Dan is if a player gets
Speaker 4: on a heater, right, if Stephen Curry is on a heater,
Speaker 4: they theoretically theoretically right. But I don't want to strut
Speaker 4: like the NFL saying you can only throw forty passes
Speaker 4: a game because you got to run the ball thirty times. Like,
Speaker 4: there has to be good decision making in this, not
Speaker 4: saying you can only do this a certain amount of time.
Speaker 4: You want to be stupid and take fifty three is
Speaker 4: a game, Go ahead and be stupid. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to prevent you from your stupidity. It's just the league.
Speaker 4: What the league's problem is on this front, Dan, is
Speaker 4: the league's job. They assume that structurally and from an
Speaker 4: entertainment standpoint, that the executives and the coaches and the
Speaker 4: analytics people are looking out for the best interests of
Speaker 4: the game and how it looks esthetically. That's the league's job.
Speaker 4: Those other people, they're looking for ways to cheat the system.
Speaker 4: Like Dan, when I was in college and I was,
Speaker 4: you know, a broke college student, I was looking for
Speaker 4: ways to sneak inside the cafeteria when nobody was watching.
Speaker 4: That's not on that's on me to try to beat
Speaker 4: the system. It's on you to fix the system.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to the those players. Give me the
Speaker 2: biggest snub and if you give me a name, who
Speaker 2: are you taking off the roster? Because that's the way
Speaker 2: it works. Although most people just say somebody got snubbed,
Speaker 2: who are you taking off? Vincent, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I hate the people who say, oh, such as such
Speaker 4: get snubbed and then we get an All Star team
Speaker 4: with twenty eyes, right, I will say that if I
Speaker 4: won't say if the Mantas, Sabonis and Sacramento got snubbed.
Speaker 4: But to me, that's the guy that I'm looking and
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I can see why he has a
Speaker 4: strong case. Leena Ligan rebounding. The Kings are above five hundred.
Speaker 4: They've been a winning team as of late since the
Speaker 4: firing of Mike Brown. But I'm not taking off our
Speaker 4: permission going I'm not putting Trey Young on the All
Speaker 4: Star team, like I'm not putting Lamello Ball on the
Speaker 4: All Star team. If this were I would say this, Dan,
Speaker 4: if this were an actual All Star game with great
Speaker 4: defense and you're going to need some creativity, somebody's going
Speaker 4: to do something wild and crazy to shake it up.
Speaker 4: Give me Lamello Ball, give me Trey Young. But as
Speaker 4: far as how they've played their effect on winning, what
Speaker 4: the numbers say, beyond the row statistics, I think By
Speaker 4: and Lars, the coaches got it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take James Harden off.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to necessarily argue with I think he's
Speaker 4: had a good I think he's had a really good
Speaker 4: year in LA fourteen that we didn't expect much from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sacramento with Sabona, I mean, it's hard to argue
Speaker 2: those numbers. I mean, he gets he gets overshadowed by
Speaker 2: Djok when it comes to all points and rebounds and assists, Well,
Speaker 2: nobody compares to him but James Harden.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think this is a great James
Speaker 4: Harden year. By James Harden standards. We're talking about arguably
Speaker 4: maybe one of the top five or six shooting guards
Speaker 4: in league's history. You know what I mean, Like when
Speaker 4: you zoomd and you look at what he's done, the
Speaker 4: effect on the game, not necessarily aesthetically in what he's
Speaker 4: accomplished from a team standpoint, but when he's done, you're
Speaker 4: gonna look at, say, man, James Harden was really good.
Speaker 4: It's just I think this Clippers team has been much
Speaker 4: better than people expected. There was a case for Norm
Speaker 4: Powell on that very team, who's leading the team in scoring.
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna argue with you on that one. Dan.
Speaker 4: I know we come and spar a little bit. I
Speaker 4: don't really have an argument if you say James Harden
Speaker 4: off and the Matta Sabonis on that might be the
Speaker 4: only one. But I'm not going to the wall for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, give me, give me somebody who's moved at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline that we care about.
Speaker 4: Man, Look, we all know that Jimmy Butler and this
Speaker 4: Miami heat thing is going to you know look that Look,
Speaker 4: all that's left for pat Ryer to do is to
Speaker 4: kiss Jimmy and say you broke my heart. And put
Speaker 4: them on a plane to Havana or something like that.
Speaker 4: Like that's all that's left, right, right, I think that's
Speaker 4: all that's left essentially for Bubet. He has to be
Speaker 4: Dan this. If there's a question to ask Adam Silver,
Speaker 4: it is are you comfortable with these standoffs between players
Speaker 4: and teams, legacy players and legacy franchises that gum up
Speaker 4: the attention of the season. So yeah, Jimmy Butler should
Speaker 4: be gone. And pat Riley in the Miami Heat I
Speaker 4: wrote about it. I know people don't like hearing about
Speaker 4: it and saying about it. They are just as culpable
Speaker 4: as Jimmy Butler's activities for the situation. They should have
Speaker 4: moved him the second they told him, we're not going
Speaker 4: to give you an extension. That's the way it goes
Speaker 4: in the NBA. If your star player does not feel appreciated,
Speaker 4: he wants an extension, you're not going to give it
Speaker 4: to him, no matter how much you're paying him. You
Speaker 4: trade him to prevent something like this, because if nothing else,
Speaker 4: we know Jimmy Butler's movies, he's going You know that.
Speaker 4: You know that, Jeff. You're probably online. Dan, there's like
Speaker 4: someone on a swing and there's a building burning behind him.
Speaker 2: I'm running out of time. Vincent, Vincent Goodwill. Yeah, Who's Sports.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Jim Gaffigan currently on his Everything Is Wonderful Tour. You
Speaker 2: can check out the new special The Skinny, now streaming
Speaker 2: on Hulu as we make way for that former college
Speaker 2: football great Jim Gaffigan back on the program. All the memories,
Speaker 2: the older you get, the better you were in college, Jim.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's one of those things where I
Speaker 3: I you know, I literally didn't barely played. So but
Speaker 3: it is a nice little fact that is like an
Speaker 3: asterisk next to my name and there's a picture of
Speaker 3: me when I walked on at Purdue. But I was
Speaker 3: literally there for two weeks. And now people are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Big ten football player.
Speaker 2: I remember that game he played against Ohio State. He
Speaker 2: was incredible. Jimmy Gaffigan was all over the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just sad that I didn't play in the NFL,
Speaker 3: you know, even though I didn't really even play a
Speaker 3: divisionwide A.
Speaker 2: Lot of hair back then too.
Speaker 3: I had some hair back there that was really good
Speaker 3: old days of hair, and you know, energy stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when people see you out, Let's say you're walking
Speaker 2: into New York and you know Sally and Tommy from
Speaker 2: Tulsa come up and go Jim Gaffigan, how much pressure
Speaker 2: do you have to be funny in the moment? Like
Speaker 2: did you have a go to joke or line that
Speaker 2: you say?
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes people will say you look like Jim Gaffigan,
Speaker 3: and I'll go, I hope I do that. Guy's good
Speaker 3: luck here, you know. But otherwise, you know, usually I
Speaker 3: find that I get a lot of if it's a
Speaker 3: really beautiful woman that comes up to me and has
Speaker 3: like a certain excitement, they use really always say my
Speaker 3: grandfather is a big fan. There's it's you know, there's
Speaker 3: going to be something to take the air out of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there part of you? Some comedians like to
Speaker 2: go up there and kind of in the moment make
Speaker 2: up something or degree of difficulty where they don't want
Speaker 2: to go as scripted. Are you one of those method comedians?
Speaker 3: You know? At different times. I mean that's where I
Speaker 3: think a really good audience when it's really flowing. That's
Speaker 3: when kind of magic hits. You know. I don't want
Speaker 3: to sound like Bono. You know, it's not like the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit is coming down and giving me words, but
Speaker 3: there is something of when you're in front of an
Speaker 3: audience that understands your sensibility and you can kind of
Speaker 3: play and uh, it's like joking around with friends. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: it really can be great.
Speaker 2: Give me the joke you wish you had written.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I love you know. Larry Miller had
Speaker 3: the Five Stages of Drinking, which I think is really brilliant.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're familiar with that, but he
Speaker 3: also has Larry Miller has a very matter of fact delivery.
Speaker 3: He's kind of one of the best from that eighties era.
Speaker 3: I love George Carlin's Chunk on Suicide, which is just
Speaker 3: so dark and so perfectly George carl And he goes
Speaker 3: right now somewhere someone's getting ready to kill themselves, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And just he goes through someone
Speaker 3: trying to plan their own suicide and just you know,
Speaker 3: I can't do it. That day, I got a meeting
Speaker 3: with Mavis and stuff like this, Mom's coming over. Maybe
Speaker 3: I should do it when Mom's coming over. So it's
Speaker 3: just really dark and cynical, and he does it with
Speaker 3: such glee. It's so amazing.
Speaker 2: Do you can you give us the five stages of drinking?
Speaker 3: Well, the five stages Larry Miller's five stages, which people
Speaker 3: should google. It's because I'm gonna not do it. Justice
Speaker 3: is the It's it's a it's it's familiar. It's like
Speaker 3: you go, you know, You're like, you're gonna go out
Speaker 3: with friends during the week. You're gonna have a drink,
Speaker 3: and then you'll be home by blank, you know, by eight,
Speaker 3: you'll be in bed by ten, and then before you
Speaker 3: know it, then it's the second stage. You know, it's
Speaker 3: it's midnight and you're like, all right, that's fine. If
Speaker 3: I go home right now, I can get five hours
Speaker 3: of sleep. And then the next stage is like you're
Speaker 3: drinking some blue liquid that you all you know is
Speaker 3: they clean combs with it in the barbershop, and besides,
Speaker 3: you don't even need to sleep. You're gonna tough it through.
Speaker 3: Then the next stage is you're driving to Florida. And
Speaker 3: then the next stage is you've met a woman who
Speaker 3: has a tattoo that says something ridiculous and she's the
Speaker 3: most beautiful woman you've ever met. And then then he
Speaker 3: talks about like the last age is when you're you
Speaker 3: leave the bar and the sun's out and it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, you feel like you're walking on the surface
Speaker 3: of the sun. It's it's simply brilliant and neat and
Speaker 3: tidy and encompasses everyone who's had that regret.
Speaker 2: You know, did you get into bad situations habits when
Speaker 2: you're on the road before you got married?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, the for me, I
Speaker 3: actually never really I went through a period where for
Speaker 3: about ten years I didn't I didn't drink or do
Speaker 3: anything because I you know, when I had a day
Speaker 3: job and I was taking acting classes and I was
Speaker 3: doing stand up at night. I would get sick once
Speaker 3: a month. So I was like, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: get rid of drinking. And so I you know, really
Speaker 3: I almost kind of started drinking when I got married.
Speaker 3: But I go through different phases. You know, now I'm
Speaker 3: now I'm I'm a bourbon drinker, and you know that
Speaker 3: would you know ten years ago that would never be
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 2: So have you gone on stage having been drinking? No?
Speaker 3: No, I can't really. I'm such a low energy guy
Speaker 3: that I can't really even eat that much before I
Speaker 3: go on stage because I'm so slow talking.
Speaker 2: He's Jim Gaffigan, the comedian, actor, writer, producer, author. Damn,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of things there, are you truly all
Speaker 2: of those?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know it's you know, you write a book.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, am I an author? Or did I,
Speaker 3: you know, complain about my kids for.
Speaker 2: One hundred He is currently on his Everything Is Wonderful tour,
Speaker 2: and you can also check out his new special The Skinny,
Speaker 2: now streaming on Hulu. How often do your kids your
Speaker 2: wife saying, hey, don't make this part of your act
Speaker 2: because things happen naturally at home where you go.
Speaker 3: That's funny, Yeah, it's there's no I mean, first of all,
Speaker 3: I never ask, hopefully my kids would care more about
Speaker 3: if I posted a photo that they appeared in than
Speaker 3: me referencing. And I also have five kids, so when
Speaker 3: I reference a son, it can be one of the
Speaker 3: three sons, and or if I reference a kid, it
Speaker 3: can be one of five. So there is plausible deniability
Speaker 3: for each of them. But you know, when it comes
Speaker 3: to the wife, that's that's a different thing. And you
Speaker 3: know there is you know, you know the days of
Speaker 3: Henny Youngman, like take my Wife. You know that you
Speaker 3: have to craft it in a way because you know
Speaker 3: an audience is savvy and and you know, a guy
Speaker 3: complaining about his wife is considered hack and and people
Speaker 3: are suspicious of it. So but you can craft it
Speaker 3: in a way where you just kind of pile on
Speaker 3: yourself a little bit and then you can throw up,
Speaker 3: you know, something at your wife here and there.
Speaker 2: First comedian you saw and you said, that's what I
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 3: I think I remember seeing Jonathan Winters on I think
Speaker 3: MERV Griffin or something like that. But uh, yeah, there
Speaker 3: was something really funny about him. You know, it was
Speaker 3: all self contained and it wasn't the jokes were kind
Speaker 3: of hidden that I thought was really interesting, But I
Speaker 3: don't know. Sometimes it's it's a blur, you know. And
Speaker 3: also being from Indiana seeing Letterman on TV, it just
Speaker 3: he was hit. Him and John Mellencamp were the only
Speaker 3: people that like were from Indiana that it seemed to
Speaker 3: do anything. Obviously it's not true, but like to the
Speaker 3: Teenage Meet, it was like, wow, those are the two
Speaker 3: guys that got out.
Speaker 2: What was it like the first time you were on Letterman?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's you know, it was you know, the business
Speaker 3: has changed so much, but it was the threshold of
Speaker 3: status among uh, particularly New York comedians. But I would
Speaker 3: say comedians at that time. It was, you know, the
Speaker 3: credit that everyone wanted because if you you know, the
Speaker 3: first ten years I was doing stand up. Obviously it's
Speaker 3: different today, but if you said you were a stand up,
Speaker 3: they would say have you been on Letterman or the
Speaker 3: Tonight Show? And if you said no, they'd kind of
Speaker 3: look at you like, oh, uh, you're crazy, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Or you're just saying that you're a comedian.
Speaker 3: So it gave you legitimacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then to hear Dave laugh if you're a
Speaker 2: stand up comedian, or if Johnny Carson brought the comedian
Speaker 2: over and you got to sit down next to Johnny,
Speaker 2: then you had made it like now, yeah, he had
Speaker 2: separated you absolutely.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I was the last one of
Speaker 3: my comedy peer group that really got a late night show,
Speaker 3: and it was Letterman, and I was invited over to
Speaker 3: sit on the couch afterwards, and I got a development deal.
Speaker 3: Dave and Worldwide pants, and Robert Att gave me a
Speaker 3: development deal, and that really shifted a lot of things
Speaker 3: because if Letterman thought you were funny, then people in
Speaker 3: the entertainment industry were much more open to viewing you
Speaker 3: as talented, because it's the entertainment industry is so risk averse,
Speaker 3: Like we have this notion that people are discovered in
Speaker 3: soda shops, but like really that, you know, people try
Speaker 3: and eliminate any risk.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we'll have fun on the road. Jim Gaffigan a
Speaker 2: man of many hats. Well he's got one hat on,
Speaker 2: but he's a comedian, actor, writer, producer, author, and a
Speaker 2: football legend. The new special The Skinny, now streaming on Hula.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jim, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That's Jim Gaffiga.