WEBVTT - Ivan the Terrible and his Oldest Son

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the best support for the show is just listening,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. Let's get into it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were a tourist traveling in Russia on May twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, and you happened to be walking through Moscow's

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<v Speaker 1>Tretchikov Gallery, you would have heard a terrible sound, first

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<v Speaker 1>the tearing of a metal pole away from its security barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>then the shattering of glass guard. Someone would have screamed.

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<v Speaker 1>The smell of vodka was hovering in the air. It

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<v Speaker 1>was eight pm outside, it was just growing dark. Amidst

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos came the sound of a canvas being slashed once,

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<v Speaker 1>then twice, then a third time. The ruined painting was

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<v Speaker 1>called Ivan the Terrible and his Son, considered the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa of the Tretchikov by its most ardent curators. The

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<v Speaker 1>painting was painted in eighteen eighty five by Ilyaureppin, the

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<v Speaker 1>master of late nineteenth century Russian realism.

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<v Speaker 2>If the painting his.

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<v Speaker 1>Title conjures images of a loving father cradling his child,

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<v Speaker 1>think again. We're closer to Saturn devouring his son territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in the painting, Tsar Ivan has haunted eyes. He's

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<v Speaker 1>cradling a man with a bleeding head, wound and a

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<v Speaker 1>limp body. Ivan is looking out over the younger man's head,

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<v Speaker 1>wide eyed, with a look that clearly says, oh God,

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<v Speaker 1>what now?

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<v Speaker 2>That man?

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan is known to history as the Terrible. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the first Tsar of Russia, crowned in fifteen forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>He remade Russia. He was married at least seven times.

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<v Speaker 1>He brutally murdered thousands, But among those countless massacres, one

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<v Speaker 1>murderer stands out as especially horrifying. The painting all has

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<v Speaker 1>an unofficial name, Ivan the Terrible killing his son the

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<v Speaker 1>philicidal image is too much horror for some to bear.

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<v Speaker 1>The man who slashed the painting in twenty eighteen, who

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<v Speaker 1>would confess to getting drunk on vodka in the museum

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<v Speaker 1>cafe and then being quote overwhelmed by something, was not

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<v Speaker 1>the first to deface the painting. A century earlier, the

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<v Speaker 1>painting was defaced for the first time, also with three

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<v Speaker 1>slash marks. What were the vandals responding to in this

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<v Speaker 1>particular work of art, What did they hate so much

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<v Speaker 1>that they had to rip paint from canvas, remove the

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<v Speaker 1>depravity from sight? And why is it that both times

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<v Speaker 1>these vandals guided their hands by inches centimeters so that

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<v Speaker 1>they tore through the sleeve and the collar, the tip

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<v Speaker 1>of the and the ear.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the painting subject.

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<v Speaker 1>But they never removed a single flake of paint from

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan's haunted eyes. Perhaps it's because Ivan, looking wide eyed

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<v Speaker 1>to the future, is experiencing double panic, not only a

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<v Speaker 1>phylicide of his son by the first wife, the one

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<v Speaker 1>that he loved best, but also the horror of a

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<v Speaker 1>succession crisis. So many rulers throughout history prayed for a

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<v Speaker 1>male successor divorcing or banishing or beheading their wives in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get one. But Ivan brought his fate upon himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan the Terrible, First Czar of Russia had just murdered

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<v Speaker 1>by his own hand his one and only competent male heir.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Danish schwartz and this is noble blood. Two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years before Catherine the Great and the Romanov dynasty would

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<v Speaker 1>ascend to the Russian throne, before there were even official

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<v Speaker 1>Russian czars, a different Russian dynasty was dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>succession crisis. It was August fifteen thirty and the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>ruler of the Ruric dynasty was waiting to find out

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<v Speaker 1>whether the child being born to his wife was male

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<v Speaker 1>or female. Vasily the third Ivanovitch was fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Years old and childless.

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<v Speaker 1>He was Grand Prince of Moscow, the area that would

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<v Speaker 1>later become the Tsardom of Russia, and the woman in

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<v Speaker 1>labor was his second wife. This felt like his last chance.

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<v Speaker 1>His first wife, Salamonia, had given him no male heirs

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<v Speaker 1>after twenty one years of marriage, so he divorced her

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<v Speaker 1>despite the controversy and has her shipped off to a monastery. Coincidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry the Eighth in England was dealing with a similar

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<v Speaker 1>lack of male heirs after a twenty plus year marriage

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<v Speaker 1>at the exact same time, but back in Russia, post divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>Vassili remarried the much younger Elena Glinskaya, only twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>less than half of her new husband's age. She had

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<v Speaker 1>literally not yet been born when Vassili and his first

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<v Speaker 1>wife had gotten married, and now Elena was in labor.

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<v Speaker 1>The fate of the dynasty now rested upon the sex

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<v Speaker 1>of the child that.

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<v Speaker 2>She would have.

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<v Speaker 1>Young Elena breathed heavily, sweat glistening on her forehead, and

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<v Speaker 1>she pushed for the final time, and then there was

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<v Speaker 1>a sigh of relief in the room. The child was

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<v Speaker 1>a boy, to be named Ivan. The crisis was averted.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ruric dynasty, thus far, nineteen generations long, male heir

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<v Speaker 1>to male heir remained intact. Ivan's father died when he

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<v Speaker 1>was only three, leaving Ivan and a younger brother, Yuri behind.

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<v Speaker 1>In early Russia, the older son was destined to become

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<v Speaker 1>the ruler, but there was extra pressure in Ivan's case,

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<v Speaker 1>not quite a typical air and despair situation, because Yuri

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<v Speaker 1>might have been disabled, but he wasn't considered competent at

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<v Speaker 1>the time to rule. Ivan was named Grand Prince of

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow as a toddler, not exactly an age when most

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<v Speaker 1>people generally showed an interest in taxation or international relations.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother, Elena ruled for him with such power and

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<v Speaker 1>ambition that she actually inspired a rebellion against her in

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thirty seven, and then died the following year at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirty in what has long been speculated

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<v Speaker 1>to have been a poison. Some historians are almost certain

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Others say that the background amounts of arsenic

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<v Speaker 1>and mercury found in her exhumed corpse may just have

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<v Speaker 1>been the normal amount of poisons in a sixteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>Muscovite bloodstream. Either way, Ivan was both the holder of

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerful title of Russia and an orphan by

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<v Speaker 1>the age of eight years old. His youth meant that

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<v Speaker 1>the ruling classes of Russia had almost ten years to

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<v Speaker 1>fill with their own violent power struggles before the young

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<v Speaker 1>prince could rise to any meaningful throne. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>bloody and complicated political machinations followed, but the important thing

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<v Speaker 1>to know is that they all involved a group of

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<v Speaker 1>people called the Boyars, a ruling class of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple hundred families.

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<v Speaker 1>They were basically ruling Russia in this time, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were responsible for raising the child Ivan and his brother.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter to his friend andre Krubsky, a grown Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>would look back at this time, writing that the Boyar's

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<v Speaker 1>quote were bent on acquiring wealth and glory and were

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<v Speaker 1>quarreling with each other. And what have they not done

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<v Speaker 1>me and my brother Yuri of blessed memory? They brought

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<v Speaker 1>up like vagrants and children of the poorest. What have

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<v Speaker 1>I not suffered for want of garments and food?

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<v Speaker 2>End? Quote?

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of eight, Ivan had already lost his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he felt himself and his little brother mistreated

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<v Speaker 1>by the grown ups who were left behind. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the start of a grudge against the Boyars that he

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<v Speaker 1>would hold for the rest of his life. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also perhaps the start of his education in the bloody

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<v Speaker 1>mechanics of murder, warfare, and destruction. But as much as

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<v Speaker 1>the Boyars fought for positioning back when Vasili the third

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<v Speaker 1>had been alive, he had clearly wanted his son Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>to be his successor. Vasili had even gotten a child

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<v Speaker 1>sized helmet made for his little firstborn son, featuring all

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<v Speaker 1>the adult regalia of a future ruler. So on January sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen forty seven, seventeen year old Ivan was crowned not

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<v Speaker 1>only Prince of Moscow like his father, but Tsar of

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<v Speaker 1>all russ It was the first time any Russian ruler

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<v Speaker 1>had been called tzar, a word derived from the Latin caesar.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a reference to the titles of the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Testament kings and Byzantine emperor, but above all it suggested

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<v Speaker 1>a rule ordained by God. This God ordained teenager Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>had in the meantime been spending a decent amount of

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<v Speaker 1>his adolescence trying to find a foreign wife and failing,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't trust their foreign temperaments, he would decide,

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<v Speaker 1>only after he had almost certainly been turned down. But

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel too bad for Ivan. Here he would make

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<v Speaker 1>up for the romantic failures of his teenage years with

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<v Speaker 1>a long list of wives.

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<v Speaker 2>Later.

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<v Speaker 1>The first of these, Anastasia Romanovna, he married one month

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<v Speaker 1>after his coronation. Russian names are very similar, but don't

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<v Speaker 1>confuse this Anastasia with the much more famous Anastasia Romanov

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<v Speaker 1>who comes along during the Russian Revolution we are still

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<v Speaker 1>squarely in the sixteenth century. Here back to Ivan and

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<v Speaker 1>his first wife, Anastasia. They were both seventeen. Anastasia was

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<v Speaker 1>from a powerful Russian family and had been chosen from

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<v Speaker 1>as many as fifteen hundred potential wives brought to the

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<v Speaker 1>Kremlin for the Czar to examine, And although he'd wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign wife earlier in his life, presumably to bolster

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<v Speaker 1>his global power, by all accounts, Ivan loved Anastatia. Their

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<v Speaker 1>marriage was happy, maybe even blissful. They had six children together.

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<v Speaker 1>They seemed to balance each other's temperaments. Ivan was excitable,

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<v Speaker 1>Anastasia affable but calm, and able to pacify her husband's

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<v Speaker 1>darkest tempers. Legends and stories and movies now view Anastasia

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<v Speaker 1>as the one great true love of Ivan's life, but

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't have her forever. In fifteen sixty, in Unlucky,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years after their wedding, Anastasia died. Ivan was grief stricken.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern historians see his mental health faltering here. Emotionally, he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to fall apart. He grew paranoid that the boy AARs,

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<v Speaker 1>those old hated enemies of his youth, had poisoned his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps in a misguided effort to poison him. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they had had a hand in murdering his mother too,

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<v Speaker 1>who internally Ivan vowed to take revenge and what was

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<v Speaker 1>left of his beloved wife. Of their six children, only

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<v Speaker 1>two survived. Ivan Ivanovitch born fifteen fifty four and six

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<v Speaker 1>years old at the time of his mother's death, and

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<v Speaker 1>Fyodor three years younger. Just a note for listeners that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>both our Ivan the Terrible and his son are named Ivan.

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<v Speaker 1>Must have been great for the guy's ego, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know it can be hard to keep track of I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be calling Ivan the Terrible Ivan and his son Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>Ivanovitch to help us keep it straight. Ivan Ivanovitch's younger brother, Fyodor,

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<v Speaker 1>was considered slow at the time. Perhaps today we might

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<v Speaker 1>call him developmentally disabled. But what we know is he

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<v Speaker 1>was not considered competent to rule, and if God forbid

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<v Speaker 1>something should happen to his older brother, it meant that

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<v Speaker 1>the dying ynasty was in a precarious situation. If this

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<v Speaker 1>family dynamic sounds familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>To you, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>The older Ivan and his younger brother Yuri were in

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<v Speaker 1>a very similar position when their own mother died.

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<v Speaker 2>As we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan's life would come to replicate his father's life in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, though with more tragic ends. In

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<v Speaker 1>any case, Fyodor was not considered competent, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>young Ivan Ivanovitch was Big Ivan's clear hope as heir

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<v Speaker 1>to the dynasty, his only hope, it seemed. When the

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<v Speaker 1>young boy was just three years old, his father Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a mini helmet emblazoned with double headed eagles,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the one Ivan's own father had given him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on Ivan Ivanovitch the entire future of the

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<v Speaker 1>tsardom rested.

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<v Speaker 2>His father.

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan was first Tsar of Russia, and he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to need a second. Ivan's rule was bloody. He got

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<v Speaker 1>that name the Terrible from somewhere, after all.

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<v Speaker 2>Although it is a little bit of.

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<v Speaker 1>A misnomer to modern ears, the Terrible may have also

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<v Speaker 1>been a signifier more like the awesome awe inspiring in

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<v Speaker 1>his great power. Terrible, let's not forget, is a hair's

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<v Speaker 1>breadth from terrific. After his wife Anastasia's death, Ivan embarked

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<v Speaker 1>on the Livonian War, a long and losing battle for

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<v Speaker 1>a route to the Baltic Sea. Around fifteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 1>In what a modern person might view as a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a temper tantrum. He threatened to abdicate in fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, five years after Anastasia's death, he decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to abdicate after all. Instead, he would have a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of twisted fun. Ivan separated himself from the dayDay life

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<v Speaker 1>of Russia, left Moscow and installed himself in a private

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<v Speaker 1>court called the Oprichnina. The name can still strike fear

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<v Speaker 1>into a Russian heart. From his Oprichnina, Ivan could massacre

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<v Speaker 1>whomever he wanted, and who he wanted, who he had

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<v Speaker 1>wanted ever since he was a child, were the boyars.

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan is said to have sent memorials of over three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand executed boyars to monasteries around the country. He directed

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<v Speaker 1>massacres in a reign of terror that lasted seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the worst was the massacre at Novgorod, in which

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<v Speaker 1>his forces brutally murdered thousands for no obvious reason. Was

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan acting out of grief, revenge, paranoia, pure politics, the

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<v Speaker 1>a moral privileged syndrome of so many young princes destined

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<v Speaker 1>to rule from the time that they were born. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the Oprichnina's official goals and dogma were never

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<v Speaker 1>totally clear. Documents from the period were destroyed in a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ivan's motives are one of many things that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to guess about. I do want to say this

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<v Speaker 1>Aprichnina has a really weird literal translation. While a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sources define it as a private court, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Cambridge History of Russia notes that its etymology is from

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<v Speaker 1>opriche separate, the historian Edward L. Keenan notes that the

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<v Speaker 1>term actually had a specific meaning in Ivan's time. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the legal term for the so called widows might

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<v Speaker 1>that is, the widow's portion the property left over for

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<v Speaker 1>the widow of a deceased member of the Moscow Cavalry.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't emphasize enough what a bizarre term this is

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<v Speaker 1>for the headquarters of a violent czar of Russia. As

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<v Speaker 1>Keenan says, quote, Russian historians have been very reluctant to

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<v Speaker 1>let the term mean what it means. This reluctance is

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why we have to use the untranslated term

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<v Speaker 1>in English, much to the chagrin of undergraduate history majors

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. I think Ivan was weirdly possibly declaring himself

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<v Speaker 1>a widow. He was taking the revenge he felt was

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<v Speaker 1>owed him as a widow. It's a strange bit of

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<v Speaker 1>gender bending for a guy who was so brutally using

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<v Speaker 1>his masculine forces as head of state, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>an important insight, possibly into his mental state. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>it lends some credence to the story that Ivan really

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<v Speaker 1>did love his first wife, Anastasia, and that he really

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<v Speaker 1>was in mourning over her to the point of madness.

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<v Speaker 1>So was it the brutal, bizarreness of Ivan's political vision

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<v Speaker 1>that would eventually cause him to quarrel with his own son,

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<v Speaker 1>or was it something else, because Ivan wasn't otherwise acting

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<v Speaker 1>like much of a morning widower. In fact, he got

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<v Speaker 1>married again almost immediately after Anastasia's death, to a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>Cherkisian princess named Maria. Ivan was thirty one at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but his bride was the same age as Anastasia had

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<v Speaker 1>been at their wedding, only seventeen. As Taylor Swift would

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<v Speaker 1>later say, I'll get older, but your lovers stay my age.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tsaritza Maria died eight years later in fifteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>at age twenty five. From then on, Ivan gave his

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<v Speaker 1>little son no dearth of stepmothers. He married five more

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<v Speaker 1>times between fifteen seventy and fifteen eighty. His third wife, Marfa,

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<v Speaker 1>died within days of their wedding. His fourth, fifth, and

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<v Speaker 1>seventh wives were sent away to monasteries, just like Ivan's

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<v Speaker 1>own father's first wife had been. So little is known

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<v Speaker 1>about the sixth wife that historians are not entirely in

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<v Speaker 1>agreement that she existed at all. It was one year

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<v Speaker 1>into Ivan's sixth or possibly seventh marriage, November fifteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>when his son raced into the room to find his

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<v Speaker 1>father in a paroxyism of violence. Tsarevich ivan Ivanovitch was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years old at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking at his.

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<v Speaker 1>Air running toward him, Ivan the Terrible must have seen

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<v Speaker 1>a chip off the old block. His son had already

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<v Speaker 1>been married three times by this point, his first two

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<v Speaker 1>wives had already been sent off to the monastery. Someday,

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<v Speaker 1>like Ivan, this son would rule Russia. But Ivan Ivanovitch

0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.679
<v Speaker 1>wasn't running for no reason. Ivan Ivanovitch which his third

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.480
<v Speaker 1>wife had been running ahead of him into that fateful

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<v Speaker 1>room where her father in law was. Her name was

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<v Speaker 1>Yolena Sharamityeva, and she was pregnant possibly with the future

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<v Speaker 1>heir to the throne, the continuation of Ivan's line. Her father,

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<v Speaker 1>the Czar, had come upon her wearing gasp, only her

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<v Speaker 1>underwear in the fifteen hundred. The underwear was likely even

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<v Speaker 1>more modest than what women wear today, but it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan had gone berserk. He lashed out at her, dealing

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<v Speaker 1>her a blow to the stomach, such a blow that

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<v Speaker 1>he threatened the fetus's life the life of his own

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<v Speaker 1>possible grandchild. Hearing the shouts, Ivan Ivanovitch raced in to

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<v Speaker 1>protect his pregnant wife. You thrust my first wife into

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<v Speaker 1>a nunnery for no good reason, the young man yelled

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<v Speaker 1>at his father. He was beside himself in a frenzy.

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<v Speaker 1>You did the same thing to my second, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you strike my third, causing the sun in her womb

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<v Speaker 1>to perish. Hot Headed Ivan the Terrible, unmoored by pain

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<v Speaker 1>or grief or decades of violence, or perhaps just insane,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps just blindingly, thoughtlessly idiotically angry, turned on his son.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the boy think he was the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>had lost a beloved wife? Did he think he was

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<v Speaker 1>the only one who had lost children? Ivan the Terrible

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't control his rage. He had killed so many by

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<v Speaker 1>this point, so thoughtlessly, so easily before. It wasn't any

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<v Speaker 1>harder this time. The pointed staff was already in his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>He lunged forward, extended the rod, and struck his son

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<v Speaker 1>in the head. Immediately, the rage drained out of Ivan.

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<v Speaker 1>His son, his one chosen air, lay bleeding on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>What have I done? He must have been thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>His little son, who had once been given a child

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<v Speaker 1>sized helmet, was now moments from death. Oh God, no,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe it didn't happen that way at all. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the story that's been told down the centuries, usually spoken

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<v Speaker 1>with barely controlled glee at all of the sordid details.

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<v Speaker 1>The chivalrous son defending his wife, the near naked pregnant

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>daughter in law, the evil that Ivan had done to

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<v Speaker 1>so many families over the years. Finally arriving at his

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<v Speaker 1>own home by his own hand. It all feels ready

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<v Speaker 1>made for a legend, or a soap opera, or a

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<v Speaker 1>painting or an episode of a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it true?

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<v Speaker 1>As I was writing the story, I looked back to

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<v Speaker 1>see when in August the murder had taken place. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly it had been so hot that the pregnant Milena

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<v Speaker 1>was lounging in her underwear. Then I remembered that this

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<v Speaker 1>happened in November in Russia. It would have been unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for Ivan to rush right past his daughter in law's

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<v Speaker 1>ladies in waiting in order to be able to catch

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<v Speaker 1>her in some scandalous state in the first place. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>by this point, Ivan was suffering from a degenerative spinal

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<v Speaker 1>condition that, by most accounts, severely inhibited his movement. Could

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<v Speaker 1>he have physically overpowered his much younger, able bodied son.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's completely believable that a bloodthirsty Czar of

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<v Speaker 1>Russia who had used his position to murder so many

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<v Speaker 1>could have conceivably murdered his own. That a man with

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<v Speaker 1>a long history of violent instability might have been unable

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<v Speaker 1>to restrain his temperer. That a man who had sent

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<v Speaker 1>countless wives off to nunneries and whose other wives had

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<v Speaker 1>died of mysterious poisonings might to assault a pregnant woman.

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<v Speaker 1>But might the story have been something else? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>instead a political dispute, a father son disagreement over the

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<v Speaker 1>best course of military action or governance? An Ivan who

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<v Speaker 1>stood with a rod in his hand as his pompous son,

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a son who had always had a father, who hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been orphaned and hadn't been mistreated at the age of eight,

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>dared to criticize him over losing the Livonian War, dared

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<v Speaker 1>to say he wanted troops under his own command, as

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<v Speaker 1>though his father didn't know what he was doing. Or

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<v Speaker 1>was the death of Ivan Ivanovitch a smaller and more

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<v Speaker 1>domestic and less violent tragedy. A letter from Ivan a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks before said that he couldn't travel because of

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>his son's illness. Perhaps Ivan Ivanovitch was simply struck down

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<v Speaker 1>by ill health, though I want to add, who's to

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<v Speaker 1>say that the younger Ivan wasn't sick when his father

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>killed him. Maybe Ivan just conveniently sped the inevitable with violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the letter suggesting an illness only has one dubious source.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons Ivan's reign is so fascinating is

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<v Speaker 1>that most of the primary documents have been destroyed. We

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<v Speaker 1>will never know what happened on that night between the

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>young heir and his father, but what we do know

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<v Speaker 1>is that Ivan Ivanovitch, the only competent successor to Ivan

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<v Speaker 1>the Terrible's enormous legacy was dead. A lot happened in

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<v Speaker 1>Russia after the death of the air but most important

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<v Speaker 1>for our story, just two and a half years after

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<v Speaker 1>the death of his son, Ivan the Terrible died too.

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<v Speaker 1>His less competent younger son, Ivanovitch's younger brother, Fyodor, took over.

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<v Speaker 1>In fifteen ninety eight. At forty one, Feodor died childless,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>ending the Ruric dynasty after twenty one generations. Fyodor's death

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>threw Russia into the Infamous Time of Troubles, a violent

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>power struggle that lasted fifteen years and saw a famine

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<v Speaker 1>that killed nearly a third of population that time, concluded

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<v Speaker 1>in sixteen thirteen with the instatement of the Romanov dynasty,

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<v Speaker 1>which would go on to include Catherine the Great and

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<v Speaker 1>continue until the Bolshevik Revolution in nineteen seventeen, when the

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>last Romanov rulers were unseated and all of the dynasty's

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>heirs were killed, including that young girl with the same

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>name as Ivan the Terrible's beloved first wife, Anastasia. But

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Ivan's death wasn't the end of Ivan's legacy. Even the

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>end of the Russian monarchy wasn't the end of his legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Three hundred years after Ivan's death. In eighteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>a Russian painting at the Itinerant exhibition caused such a

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<v Speaker 1>stir that the police needed to be called in. The

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<v Speaker 1>painting was Ivan the Terrible and his Son Ivan, by

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the contemporary master Ilia Rippine. In nineteen thirteen, the painting

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>was vandalized for the first time, after which, legend has it,

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the curator was so mad with himself for not protecting

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 1>the painting that he threw himself under a train. Is

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the story true? Who knows?

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 2>It?

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<v Speaker 1>Strikes me as appealingly Russian, straight out of Anna Karenina.

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<v Speaker 2>What is true? Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>The story of Ivan and his Son has become a

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of political lightning rod, a case study in controlling

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a narrative. It's striking that both Stalin and Putin have

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<v Speaker 1>tried to rehabilitate Ivan's image, as if he were just

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<v Speaker 1>a strong masculine leader doing what needed to be done

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in a difficult role. Stalin even edited history books to

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>be gentler towards Ivan. It's striking that in twenty fifteen

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a museum near the Kremlin put on a popular exhibition

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that basically renamed Ivan the Terrible, Ivan the not so Bad,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's striking that in twenty eighteen a man came

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<v Speaker 1>to the museum with no particular plan, but of all

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<v Speaker 1>the paintings in the gallery, when he held the metal

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>rod of the security poll in his hand, he chose

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to lunge and strike at just that one. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the philocidal end of Ivan the Terrible's family dynasty.

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<v Speaker 1>But stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>about but one last way the famous painting has been

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<v Speaker 1>recreated today. Ill European's infamous painting showed up again recently

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>in a pretty suddenly relevant piece of pop culture, Servant

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<v Speaker 1>of the People, a TV comedy starring Vladimir Zelensky, the

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<v Speaker 1>current President of Ukraine. In the show, Zelensky played the

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<v Speaker 1>President of Ukraine for three seasons before his actual election.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not where the uncanniness ends. In the season

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<v Speaker 1>one finale, he meets a fantastical Ivan the Terrible, all

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>dressed up in sixteenth century garb. Zelensky's character and Ivan argue,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia will come free you, says Ivan. Zelensky says Ukraine

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't need freeing by the Russians. It wants to join Europe.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Ivan gets confused, then upset, then angry. Finally, in a

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>fit of rage, he pushes Zelenski, who falls arms played,

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<v Speaker 1>and then, in a move right out of art history,

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Ivan iiO falls to his knees, gathers a limp Zelensky

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:22.239
<v Speaker 1>in his arms, opens his eyes wide, and howls. It

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is an unmistakable exact replica of the famous painting. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have Netflix, you can see it in the show

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<v Speaker 1>Servant of the People, season one, episode twenty three, at

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<v Speaker 1>about the eight minute twenty four second mark. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>relevant to pause here and say that a European, although

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<v Speaker 1>widely known as perhaps the greatest painter in the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>National School of Art, was actually Ukrainian and in servant

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of the People's version of the painting, Zelenski and Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>are cast as the Sun killed by the murderous leader

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<v Speaker 1>of Russia, all the way back in twenty fifteen, seven

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<v Speaker 1>years before the tragic current war happening today. Noble Blood

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of iHeart Radio and Grimm and Mild

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<v Speaker 1>from Aaron Mankey. Noble Blood is hosted by me Dana Schwartz.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional writing and researching done by Hannah Johnston, Hannah'swick, Mira Hayward,

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney Sender, and Lori Goodman. The show is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>rema Il Kayali, with supervising producer Josh Thain and executive

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<v Speaker 1>producers Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. For more

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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